Really interesting discussion, questions and answers. I read 1984 years ago and I did enjoy it. I would read it again but not yet. Some of your feelings echoed how I felt when I (tried) to read The Midnight Library by Matt Haig. I had to put it down. Books can evoke such emotions.
There were so many interesting questions, this was a really fun one to discuss! I'm glad you enjoyed 1984! I see its merits, but enjoyable, no! 😅 Very curious about Julia though, so we'll see if I manage that. I've heard so many mixed things about the Midnight Library. I know the basic premise, and some people seem to find it lifechanging and some just find it repetetive. What about it made you put it down?
@@ellenmadebookclub It was well written and an interesting concept, as far as I got, but it was incredibly depressing and it made me sad. I wouldn't recommend it to someone feeling vulnerable. I imagine it turns around and is ultimately uplifting but I couldn't push through, at that time.
@@helenclare3250 I see! Good choice to put it to the side then! It can be very different for me, sometimes it's nice to sort of commiserate with a book and have a good cry when I'm feeling low, and sometimes it's just too much to handle.
@@ellenmadebookclub I'd be interested to hear your thoughts if you do read it. I may try again, if I was in the right frame of mind. It's only short and I've heard mostly good things. There is a right/wrong time for certain books, for me.
I love your copy of Parable, its very pretty! I think you'll really like Kindred and I do like it a bit more, but it is very different. It moves quickly and theres a lot going on in that one but it's also much heavier. I could've done without the hyper-empathy part as I don''t think it really added much other than drama in action scenes. I'll be curious to see if its more prevalent in the second book.
It's actually from the library, but yes it's very pretty! If I had enjoyed the book more, that's the one I would get for sure :) I still have hope for Kindred. I'm up for different, as long as it's giving me something. Parable of the Sower wasn't bad, I think I just expected more. Exactly, it was just something to spice it up a little, but I would have preferred a stronger base instead. For the second part, I'm hoping for less of the hyper empathy and more of the cult or race aspects. I don't know a lot about it, but I think it will be darker. I mean the first part was dark too, but more bleak than intense, in my opinion. Thanks for watching! 💜
It was really interesting to hear your thoughts and answers to the questions, Ellen. I 'enjoyed' 1984 more than you, but my overall takeaway was that I was glad I could put the book down and walk away at the end rather than have to live in this sort of depressing world as some people still have to. The creeping dread of having to believe what you're told without thinking and not being able to trust anybody got me though the first half as the world was set up. The lack of freedom of expression, fear of being reported and false hope is what scared me most. I thought Julia was a honey trap to begin with, and it definitely wasn't a beautiful relationship by today's standards, but perhaps a rare moment of trust and honesty and the chance to be yourself was what sold it. It was a bit insta love, though. I totally agree about being told anything is 'amazing' or 'mind-blowing' because it's almost impossible to live up to that expectation. I'd heard that it was bleak and eye-opening and that's pretty much how I found it. I hope next month's books have as many interesting things to discuss but they're less of a downer :)
Thank you so much! I agree, it was definitely a releif to be able to put the book down and not live in that reality! I think there were elements though that felt a little too familiar, so they sort of stayed with me and made me feel a bit hopeless about the world. But it's also a matter of perspective, and there are so many positive things as well, this book just made me focus on the negative. Yes, the lack of freedom and constant fear of being caught was a very heavy feeling. As a bit of an anxious person, I kind of feel like that already, so maybe that was why it affected me more negatively. Haha how amazing to call the relationship in 1984 insta love 😂 The ability to be yourself is a big part of any relationship, so that makes sense. It just also felt like they didn't really care about the other person's thoughts, or like when they were talking about the Book and Julia was completely uninterested... They can obviously have different opinions and still love each other, I just thought it was a bit of a stretch to call it a beautiful relationship. They never really did much for each other, as far as I could tell. Yes, bleak and eye opening is a much better description! I would also add depressing, but maybe that's just me ^^ I've just finished Song of Achilles, which I found much more enjoyable! ☺ Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
Loved hearing your thoughts as usual! Even though I did really enjoy Parable of the Sower, I can totally see why you felt the way you did and can agree to some of those thoughts. I kind of forgot about Lauren’s hyper empathy, so I guess that part wasn’t very memorable to me 😂 The question about religion was great and just the theme of religion in general in the book was quite interesting! I’m Christian (Anglican specifically) and am always interested in learning about religions/belief systems too. There were some parts of Earthseed that didn’t 100% align with my beliefs and then others that I could agree with, so while it was intriguing to some extent, it wasn’t too impactful for me overall and not really what I went into the book for ultimately (I didn’t even know that was part of the book, somehow) 😂 Loved your answers to my question, totally agree with all of your takeaways. And ugh, don’t even get me started on Christians who say you can only vote Republican and especially for Trump… I hate it! 😡😬 Crazy too that some people don’t know about the Holocaust. Wild stuff. I hope you can read some happy, light, cozy books soon haha! ❤️
I kind of enjoyed it too, apart from being a bit depressed by it 😅 but it didn't live up to my expectations. If it was the hype, or me, or the book, I'm not really sure! Yeah the hyper empathy... was it a metaphor for actual empathy, or just sci fi thing? I didn't see the point of it at all. Especially since it wasn't only her, that would have made more sense to me. That's so interesting about your religion and your take on the one in the book! Thank you for sharing that. I feel like if you already have a belief system, it's not as interesting or maybe likely that you would be affected by the one in the book. I might be more susceptible, in a weird way, since I don't already have something there, if that makes sense 😅 It would have been so cool though, if the book had been able to lure me in and then turn on me. Also, just to be clear, in case I wasn't in the video, I know there is obviously a difference between religion and a cult. I feel like I almost used them interchangeably, but only because the cult leaders themselves would. No one says they're starting a cult! And I can only imagine your frustration with the religious fanatics... They make everyone look bad, as in any religion. Or nationality for that matter. If there is any silver lining, maybe it will help some people see the correlation to how other religious people are viewed. Although it might be the same people who hold those views as well, in which case... oh well 😂😭 Yes happy books are needed! So excited for Talents! 🤣🤣
I have not read Parable of the Sower, but your thoughts on the book and the religious discussion make sense. I appreciate your dialogue on religion in general and also how it pertained to that book specifically. It's been over a decade since I've read 1984 I think. I also didn't really like it. I have a vague recollection that I appreciated some of his rebellious attitude and that spoke to me as someone raised in a very controlling environment. Growing up, I remember 1984 (and Fahrenheit 451) talked about as warnings from conservatives about what "the liberals" want or what they will try to do. I always heard it in context to warnings about not letting the United States get to that place. And I remember thinking it seemed a bit extreme to think that "the liberals" were close to 1984 level or Fahrenheit 451 level. And now where I am now I find it ironic that looking back so many of those controlling groups and the extreme conservatism (religiously and politically) are closer to the extremes from the books than mainstream "liberals" I was warned about. It's just quite interesting (and scary!) to think about. Also what you said about in order to be a "true" Christian you must be a Republican in the United States is SO true. It is wild!! I also didn't think that Winston and Julia had a beautiful relationship, but then again I read it when I was still in a very conservative environment so I think I was a bit shocked by the scandalous nature of their relationship. 🤣Even if a part of me admired the rebellious aspect of their pushing back against their environment. I had no idea there was a book from Julia's perspective! That would be quite interesting.
Thank you for sharing your perspective on 1984. That is so wild to me. I think when it comes to extreme groups like that, it almost doesn't matter if you're far left or far right or religious or what, the control and abuse (of power if not people) are the same. And it also, to me, is a sign of that the more firm someone is in their beliefs about "the other", the more dangerous territory they are in themselves. Being cautious of that which is foreign to us is one thing, but we are also naturally curious and loving... so whenever someone talks about a certain group without so much as a gray area, I'm scared. That way of thinking comes from someone who is scared as well, but like in a dog in a corner kind of way. I don't know the particulars of liberals in US politics, but it's interesting that a word that comes from the word "free" could be associated to the rigidity of 1984. It is scary to think about, like you said. It's very difficult to reason with people who literally won't see reason. I'm glad you did and do though. Now that I know you, at least a little, I can't imagine you being in that environment. I won't allow it. It is a bit funny though that you thought of Winston and Julia as scandalous! 😅 It's all relative I guess! Honestly, I was a little surprised at those scenes myself. I read very few books that have any of that, possibly a kiss, so I'm always a bit shocked and them I'm lke calm down 😂 Julia would be really interesting! I really want to read it, I just need to recharge my happy first.
@@ellenmadebookclub I think that is a very good point....that it's more the control and abuse of power and people that are the same in extreme groups, regardless of which "side" of religion or politics a person is on. I definitely agree that there is a danger in being that firm, that entrenched in one's beliefs. I grew up being so worried and fearful and judgmental of "them" and "the other side" and can see the dangers in that. I now try to very consciously make sure that I am not "othering" people or becoming so entrenched in my beliefs that I ever lose sight of the humanity of another person. You worded that all so well, esp about being cautious and also curious and loving. It is good to have caution and wisdom, but I always want even that to be led and fueled by my curiosity of other people and their viewpoints. It is quite strange to think about how different my life is now! 😂 But I am so very grateful for where I am now and for the ways I still have to grow. I truly appreciate your kind words and thoughtful dialogue. ♥ Hahaha it is funny now!! I was thinking that if I re-read it I would probably not find it all that shocking at all. 🤣 But it's always a bit surprising for an aspect of any story that isn't what we typically might read pops up suddenly. 😂
@@BonnieNicoleWrites Exactly. I think we all fall into the trap of othering people, wherever we are on the religious or political or whatever spectrum. It's just as unhelpful to other the extreme groups though, as a liberal, as the other way around. Or any political or religious groups. Then there's no way to meet anywhere. I don't think there will ever be a time when we'll all come together in peace and love etc. There are so many other forces at play. But the best we can do is just like you said, to be mindful of our own othering and trying to keep our humanity as much as possible. And try to step in to other people's shoes every now and then. A great benefit of reading, obviously :) I appreciate your thoughts on this so much too! As always 💜
first of all, thanks for „singing my name“ 😂❤ great song options and both new ones to me. most people go by Beethoven or The Beatles 🤣 Thanks for sharing your thoughts, I really love and appreciate how you articulate your thoughts and make me think or rethink again too! For Parable Of The Sower: I would consider myself a christian, but now more in a spiritual than a behavioral or „strictly religious“ way. But I did study theology and was working as a pastor for a few years. There I was heavily aware of the power that position holds, which can be a great thing, but also a dangerous one. People believed what I told them and sometimes shaped their lives according to that. This just came with the role, but was a scary thing too actually. And I also saw (and experienced myself) a lot of moments where this power was misused and actually hurt or discriminated people. So I was fascinated by the way this story showed how easily a charismatic person can convince a group of people to believe in something they just came up with themselves. This is so important to know and to be aware of and for showing that I loved the book. I didn’t go into the book at all with the same expectations as you (to be „lured in“), but I think that happened a little to me anyway 😅 Coming just out of this church job with one reason to leave being that this place was sooo reluctant to change, I read this book. And Lauren coming from christianity but pointing always at change and making it „her god‘s“ main trait was so fascinating to read about and at some point made me actually think a bit and I loved her for it. Before I realized what’s happening 😂 So I guess the reason I liked this book despite its flaws was mainly because I had a lot of connecting points with it ☺️ The hyperempathy: once it came up first, I just thought the term wasn’t the best and then saw it more as only shared physical pain and could accept it as part of the story while not being the main theme. So it didn’t really bother me that it wasn’t exploited further. But I can totally see you point there! And for the Sci-Fi element: I agree that this really didn’t need to be there. And I’m saying that while being in a “dystopia-phase” where I usually love this elements. But here the goal of living on another planet was really not necessary or then not talked about enough. I liked the second book too. It wasn’t what I expected, but I’m very glad I read it! I thought it brought new topics to the story. I hope you’ll share your thoughts about this too. wow, what a novel that turned out 🤣🙈
Haha I'm glad you enjoyed! I tried my best 😂 Do you have one in mind then? That's the "right" one? Thank you so much for saying that. It's hard sometimes to know what level to make these videos on. I can only do it them my way, but I get in my head sometimes about if I'm overexplaining or editing out too much etc, so that's nice to hear. Thank you :) Your perspective is so fascinating to me, and shows a lot of self reflection and awareness. I've been in a "position of power" in my work as well, not in the same way as a priest, but with people who needed a lot of guidance, let's say. I wanted to try that position for good, as I'm sure you did too, but it's a hard place to be in, I think, if you are not the type of person who sort of thrives on the power itself. Which is very sad, because those are the leaders we ne (like you and me 😅) but it's very taxing. I think this is such a good example of the quote I put in the video, how books are mirrors and we only see in them what we already have in us. I'm glad Parable of the Sower had a different role to play for you, than it did for me. I think I also felt some disconnect with the fact that she was a young girl of color. The ones who are usually in that position are men, often older and white. So I think there was a collision of a person that I would think was good (Lauren) and the act of starting a cult (bad), but then the cult part not really being so bad, but also not as healing as a religion could be... if that makes sense. There wasnt' enough of either alignment or contrast for me, to make it compelling. I'm just thinking aloud here. Thank you for sharing your perspective. I'm sure that's been quite a journey for you. I have been through the experience of having a strong idealist vision, and then having to face realities that didn't align with that, and that can be very heart-breaking. So if your experience was anything like that, you're not alone. I will read the second part in this duology, and I will definitely share my thoughts on that as well! Thank you for writing a novel, I appreciate it! (I do too, all the time haha)
I was also slightly disappointed with Parable of the Sower. Most of the (few) distopias that I've read have often been some of the most powerful reads for me, they really shook me to my core, and I still think of those books years later, and I was really expecting that from Parable, but didn't get it. I felt the world-building was strong, and frighteningly realistic, but I also didn't connect much with the characters and felt parts of the story where underdeveloped. The hyper-empathy feels like it has sooooo much potential!!! She could have done so many cool things with it, but I totally agree with you, in the current state, it could be completely removed from the book and we wouldn't lose anything. I'm also highly sensitive and too empathetic for my own good sometimes, so I was really excited to read about this part - it sounded to me like neurodivergence representation as well - but felt really let down by it. It indeed reads as just a physical thing, but it also felt like in practice, it didn't affect her that much?? One thing that wasn't mentioned but also really bugged me was the love interest - the age difference and comparison with her dad made me sooooo uncomfortable, and it felt unnecessary too (like I'm ok to be uncomfortable if there is a good reason for it, but it didn't felt like that was the case here). Wifedome sounds super interesting!
I agree that the setting felt realistic, unfortunately! It didn't feel very specific to the area though, it could kind of have been anywhere. Maybe that was the point. I also agree the hyper empathy had potential! I thought it was going to have more meaning somehow, like HSP kind of thing, but it felt a bit tacked on and didn't really do much for the story. She wasn't very affected by it at all, considering how much pain people all around her must have been in. Or was it just a display on pain she felt? Imagine everyone having walked in the heat for days, and the pain in everyone's whole body from that all around her... her feet should have been on fire from that alone! 😅 Yes, you're right, the relationship was also very weird! For no reason! He was old enough to be rich enough to own land..? I'm so annoyed that there were so many things that didn't work for me. I really wanted to enjoy it more, I just didn't. I still have hopes for Talents though, which might be stupid, but so be it! 😂 I'm holding on to the optimism for dear life!
@@ellenmadebookclub I don't think it's stupid: I heard someone say the second book was better than the first one (but they already loved the first one...)
A lot of times you hear people say how this book predicted the future that we are seeing now. But like you said... he was probably writing what he saw in his own time. I completely agree with this. He was able to live thru fascist Germany and was seeing these things first hand. So I think some people miss this point. Altho I do feel it's of things to come as well... I know you aren't a religious person but the Bible says there is nothing new under the sun and I think this book would make a good argument for that. Well done!!! Now get out there an mow some lawns... been a bit since we saw any yard work from you. :)~
You're really so great with comments! 😂 At least they are from the right account this time, you're getting better! 😄 Yes, I think there is definitely an element of warning for the future in there, as it is set in the future and in Britain. But it's not like he made it all up to made a prediction. More like painting a worse case scenario if we're not careful kind of thing, because the worst case scenario had just actually happened. I can't even imagine living through the horrors of those years. I think there is a lot of wisdom in the Bible, so I'm not opposed to it in that sense. I just don't look to it for facts. And I guess I see those wisdoms coming from humans, rather than from a divinity, but then it depends on your definition on what's what out of those! 😄 I don't have a problem with religion or religious people, as long as we're all free to believe what we want and behave ourselves 😊 I would love to go mow some lawns! I've got more videos to edit first though, and then I'm free to frolic and roam! (I would love to be able to do 5 min one take videos like you do, I'm just not built that way! 😂)
@@ellenmadebookclub yes I definitely struggle with the comments... So confusing. Lol So clearly I would be considered religious altho I personally don't like that term for myself...but your saying I have to behave? 😭 Lol But yeah if nothing else this book makes you think... The love story aspect of it made me sad... Awful... Isn't it funny how we are all different... You make long well thought out videos while I turn the camera on...ramble a little here and there and walla I have a video. 😂
@@FacelessBookReviews I think you're starting to get the hang of it! 😊 How come you don't like the term religious for yourself? And what about the love story made you sad? You're not going to get away with "..." here. Haha yes, you have to show kindness toward others, not start any wars, and refrain from violence and abuse. If you want to make silly faces all day long and look for sasquatch, that's your business!
@@ellenmadebookclub @ellenmadebookclub whoa wait just a min... Look for Sasquatch? I'm here to tell you I have found him. Didn't you see him in my video... 😩 It was sad when he thought nothing would make him change how he felt about her and after enough time they ended up beating him down. A bit depressing how someone can be broken. For me I feel if I say I'm religious it's too broad of a description. I prefer to think of myself as a follower of Christ. It's a me thing and I'm probably just nit picking.
@@FacelessBookReviews I said I'm open minded, but I can recognize special effects when I see them! Yes, that part was horrible, one of the scariest things for sure. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. I see. Well it's a very personal thing, so it makes perfect sense that you would care about what words are used. I don't think that's being nit picky. It's a part of your identity and that matters a lot. It can still be both as well, kind of like nationality vs your local area.
BOOK CLUB IN SESSION 🔔🔔 Wow that's kind of disappointing that Parable of the Sower wasn't exactly what it seemed like from the original synopsis. I thought it'd focus more on identity and maybe an attempt to depict LA previously. Like the cult era of LA with crimes. Or at least that was the vibes I got from the book initially. Love the nana song break 😂 Can't wait to see what you think about the second part. Hopefully it goes better! Spoilers incoming for 1984 --- 1984 is the only one I can contribute much to so... agree. I wouldn't reread it again 😂High school me was right, makes sense why I couldn't get through it. I don't know much about 1984 or remember it in general, but still, it didn't feel too intriguing. Definitely nothing is super mind blowing haha... Agree with you, this book really boils down to how corrupt humans can be when in position of power or wealth. The rats at the end was also terrifying, along with the tactics at the end because it was unhinged 🫠 I do think the impact Orwell made about the ultimate loss of yourself is succumbing to Big Brother and betraying the ones you love. Agreed! I find that it's still the same and I'm like we should have learned!! And yeah, lol when I read that, made me kind of annoyed because it's so clear that it was the same! I thought it was ironic that he was paranoid about Julia out to get him, and then he just accepts other people in part2?? And he quite literally wanted to kill Julia in the beginning!!! 🙃But I guess the "love" is stretched because it's the only form of defiance? from their government. I'd be down to read either versions of 1984 that you're interested in. Yeah, unfortunately there's been so many changes in USA government and society that is blocking a lot of media (eg. banned books) in certain states. As a result... history isn't being taught.
🔔🔔🤣🤣 I'm not sure why I had those expectations on Parable, I probably read the synopsis and filled in some blanks myself! It was what I hoped the book would be, but I'm not sure it promised anything like that 😅 Might just have been me! Still disappointed though, it would have been an awesome book if it had been what I had pictured! 😂 I felt like LA wasn't a part of it at all, it could have taken place anywhere along the coast. There was nothing specific to any city, just climate and landscape. 1984 It sure wasn't fun! I'm still glad I read it though, but more as an achievement and general knowledge, than for enjoyment. It is a part of history in itself, both literary and actual history, so it's an important book in that sense. But I hope I never feel the need to pick it back up. Other than the Julia retelling 😂 I'm mostly just curious to hear her thoughts throughout the story, because her character was kind of flat to me in 1984, but it felt like there could be a lot more under the surface, that Orwell either wouldn't, couldn't or didn't care to explore. Yes, the manipulation at the end, 2+2=5 etc, was very dark and uncomfortable to read. Brainwashing at its "finest". And the trust was so annoying, didn't make sense at all. But I guess you would take any chance you could get, if it presented itself. You're right, the love was an act of defiance. That must have strengthened it a lot, or added another layer to it. But so... is it love then? Or rebellion? I hope the American politics are about to change for the better, it's been on a really scary path. There is more hope now than before, but I'm still a bit apprehensive. Maybe 1984 rubbed off on me, I'm like "trust no one" 😂 I'll keep Wifedom and Julia in mind for the book club picks! Hopefully we can find some more fun reads in between though! 💜💜 Thank you for taking part and sharing your thoughts!
@@ellenmadebookclub Honestly, I felt like the synopsis was implying slightly as to what you and I thought it'd be on 🥴 So I would definitely be disappointed that it didn't focus too much on that. I agree! It's good in the aspect that it's history or a retelling of history. But maybe there needs to be a rewrite with more of an enticing storyline because the beginning was 🫠 Took me so long to get through!! I do want to see Julia's perspective as to why she was enticed by him because nothing about him screamed attractive to me lol. The whole book did only focus on him though. Over all, interesting read, not mind breaking in anyway for me just depressing honestly 😂 Yes! I'll definitely choose those books if it's in the rotation. Hopefully it'll be a better paced book than this one though. And not just a rehash of the story!
@@itsmimiduong Hahaha nothing about Winston "screamed attractive" to me either 😂😂 I think Julia is a pretty accurate retelling, so it probably follows roughly the same format. Might still be more interesting though, hopefully ^^
Absolutely brilliant and inspiring book club! Outstanding video👍
@@daxjacob Thank you!
Really interesting discussion, questions and answers. I read 1984 years ago and I did enjoy it. I would read it again but not yet. Some of your feelings echoed how I felt when I (tried) to read The Midnight Library by Matt Haig. I had to put it down. Books can evoke such emotions.
There were so many interesting questions, this was a really fun one to discuss!
I'm glad you enjoyed 1984! I see its merits, but enjoyable, no! 😅 Very curious about Julia though, so we'll see if I manage that.
I've heard so many mixed things about the Midnight Library. I know the basic premise, and some people seem to find it lifechanging and some just find it repetetive. What about it made you put it down?
@@ellenmadebookclub It was well written and an interesting concept, as far as I got, but it was incredibly depressing and it made me sad. I wouldn't recommend it to someone feeling vulnerable. I imagine it turns around and is ultimately uplifting but I couldn't push through, at that time.
@@helenclare3250 I see! Good choice to put it to the side then! It can be very different for me, sometimes it's nice to sort of commiserate with a book and have a good cry when I'm feeling low, and sometimes it's just too much to handle.
@@ellenmadebookclub I'd be interested to hear your thoughts if you do read it. I may try again, if I was in the right frame of mind. It's only short and I've heard mostly good things. There is a right/wrong time for certain books, for me.
I love your copy of Parable, its very pretty! I think you'll really like Kindred and I do like it a bit more, but it is very different. It moves quickly and theres a lot going on in that one but it's also much heavier. I could've done without the hyper-empathy part as I don''t think it really added much other than drama in action scenes. I'll be curious to see if its more prevalent in the second book.
It's actually from the library, but yes it's very pretty! If I had enjoyed the book more, that's the one I would get for sure :) I still have hope for Kindred. I'm up for different, as long as it's giving me something. Parable of the Sower wasn't bad, I think I just expected more.
Exactly, it was just something to spice it up a little, but I would have preferred a stronger base instead. For the second part, I'm hoping for less of the hyper empathy and more of the cult or race aspects. I don't know a lot about it, but I think it will be darker. I mean the first part was dark too, but more bleak than intense, in my opinion.
Thanks for watching! 💜
It was really interesting to hear your thoughts and answers to the questions, Ellen. I 'enjoyed' 1984 more than you, but my overall takeaway was that I was glad I could put the book down and walk away at the end rather than have to live in this sort of depressing world as some people still have to. The creeping dread of having to believe what you're told without thinking and not being able to trust anybody got me though the first half as the world was set up. The lack of freedom of expression, fear of being reported and false hope is what scared me most. I thought Julia was a honey trap to begin with, and it definitely wasn't a beautiful relationship by today's standards, but perhaps a rare moment of trust and honesty and the chance to be yourself was what sold it. It was a bit insta love, though. I totally agree about being told anything is 'amazing' or 'mind-blowing' because it's almost impossible to live up to that expectation. I'd heard that it was bleak and eye-opening and that's pretty much how I found it. I hope next month's books have as many interesting things to discuss but they're less of a downer :)
Thank you so much! I agree, it was definitely a releif to be able to put the book down and not live in that reality! I think there were elements though that felt a little too familiar, so they sort of stayed with me and made me feel a bit hopeless about the world. But it's also a matter of perspective, and there are so many positive things as well, this book just made me focus on the negative.
Yes, the lack of freedom and constant fear of being caught was a very heavy feeling. As a bit of an anxious person, I kind of feel like that already, so maybe that was why it affected me more negatively.
Haha how amazing to call the relationship in 1984 insta love 😂 The ability to be yourself is a big part of any relationship, so that makes sense. It just also felt like they didn't really care about the other person's thoughts, or like when they were talking about the Book and Julia was completely uninterested... They can obviously have different opinions and still love each other, I just thought it was a bit of a stretch to call it a beautiful relationship. They never really did much for each other, as far as I could tell.
Yes, bleak and eye opening is a much better description! I would also add depressing, but maybe that's just me ^^
I've just finished Song of Achilles, which I found much more enjoyable! ☺
Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
Glad you were able to read 1984 and give your thoughts on it.
I was indeed able to read it! Any thoughts on my thoughts? :)
@@ellenmadebookclub Sorry looks like I started a new comment... see above. LOL
@@FacelessBookReviews 😂😂
Loved hearing your thoughts as usual! Even though I did really enjoy Parable of the Sower, I can totally see why you felt the way you did and can agree to some of those thoughts. I kind of forgot about Lauren’s hyper empathy, so I guess that part wasn’t very memorable to me 😂 The question about religion was great and just the theme of religion in general in the book was quite interesting! I’m Christian (Anglican specifically) and am always interested in learning about religions/belief systems too. There were some parts of Earthseed that didn’t 100% align with my beliefs and then others that I could agree with, so while it was intriguing to some extent, it wasn’t too impactful for me overall and not really what I went into the book for ultimately (I didn’t even know that was part of the book, somehow) 😂
Loved your answers to my question, totally agree with all of your takeaways. And ugh, don’t even get me started on Christians who say you can only vote Republican and especially for Trump… I hate it! 😡😬 Crazy too that some people don’t know about the Holocaust. Wild stuff.
I hope you can read some happy, light, cozy books soon haha! ❤️
I kind of enjoyed it too, apart from being a bit depressed by it 😅 but it didn't live up to my expectations. If it was the hype, or me, or the book, I'm not really sure!
Yeah the hyper empathy... was it a metaphor for actual empathy, or just sci fi thing? I didn't see the point of it at all. Especially since it wasn't only her, that would have made more sense to me.
That's so interesting about your religion and your take on the one in the book! Thank you for sharing that. I feel like if you already have a belief system, it's not as interesting or maybe likely that you would be affected by the one in the book. I might be more susceptible, in a weird way, since I don't already have something there, if that makes sense 😅 It would have been so cool though, if the book had been able to lure me in and then turn on me.
Also, just to be clear, in case I wasn't in the video, I know there is obviously a difference between religion and a cult. I feel like I almost used them interchangeably, but only because the cult leaders themselves would. No one says they're starting a cult!
And I can only imagine your frustration with the religious fanatics... They make everyone look bad, as in any religion. Or nationality for that matter. If there is any silver lining, maybe it will help some people see the correlation to how other religious people are viewed. Although it might be the same people who hold those views as well, in which case... oh well 😂😭
Yes happy books are needed! So excited for Talents! 🤣🤣
I have not read Parable of the Sower, but your thoughts on the book and the religious discussion make sense. I appreciate your dialogue on religion in general and also how it pertained to that book specifically.
It's been over a decade since I've read 1984 I think. I also didn't really like it. I have a vague recollection that I appreciated some of his rebellious attitude and that spoke to me as someone raised in a very controlling environment. Growing up, I remember 1984 (and Fahrenheit 451) talked about as warnings from conservatives about what "the liberals" want or what they will try to do. I always heard it in context to warnings about not letting the United States get to that place. And I remember thinking it seemed a bit extreme to think that "the liberals" were close to 1984 level or Fahrenheit 451 level. And now where I am now I find it ironic that looking back so many of those controlling groups and the extreme conservatism (religiously and politically) are closer to the extremes from the books than mainstream "liberals" I was warned about. It's just quite interesting (and scary!) to think about.
Also what you said about in order to be a "true" Christian you must be a Republican in the United States is SO true. It is wild!!
I also didn't think that Winston and Julia had a beautiful relationship, but then again I read it when I was still in a very conservative environment so I think I was a bit shocked by the scandalous nature of their relationship. 🤣Even if a part of me admired the rebellious aspect of their pushing back against their environment.
I had no idea there was a book from Julia's perspective! That would be quite interesting.
Thank you for sharing your perspective on 1984. That is so wild to me. I think when it comes to extreme groups like that, it almost doesn't matter if you're far left or far right or religious or what, the control and abuse (of power if not people) are the same. And it also, to me, is a sign of that the more firm someone is in their beliefs about "the other", the more dangerous territory they are in themselves. Being cautious of that which is foreign to us is one thing, but we are also naturally curious and loving... so whenever someone talks about a certain group without so much as a gray area, I'm scared. That way of thinking comes from someone who is scared as well, but like in a dog in a corner kind of way.
I don't know the particulars of liberals in US politics, but it's interesting that a word that comes from the word "free" could be associated to the rigidity of 1984. It is scary to think about, like you said. It's very difficult to reason with people who literally won't see reason. I'm glad you did and do though. Now that I know you, at least a little, I can't imagine you being in that environment. I won't allow it.
It is a bit funny though that you thought of Winston and Julia as scandalous! 😅 It's all relative I guess! Honestly, I was a little surprised at those scenes myself. I read very few books that have any of that, possibly a kiss, so I'm always a bit shocked and them I'm lke calm down 😂
Julia would be really interesting! I really want to read it, I just need to recharge my happy first.
@@ellenmadebookclub I think that is a very good point....that it's more the control and abuse of power and people that are the same in extreme groups, regardless of which "side" of religion or politics a person is on. I definitely agree that there is a danger in being that firm, that entrenched in one's beliefs. I grew up being so worried and fearful and judgmental of "them" and "the other side" and can see the dangers in that. I now try to very consciously make sure that I am not "othering" people or becoming so entrenched in my beliefs that I ever lose sight of the humanity of another person. You worded that all so well, esp about being cautious and also curious and loving. It is good to have caution and wisdom, but I always want even that to be led and fueled by my curiosity of other people and their viewpoints.
It is quite strange to think about how different my life is now! 😂 But I am so very grateful for where I am now and for the ways I still have to grow. I truly appreciate your kind words and thoughtful dialogue. ♥
Hahaha it is funny now!! I was thinking that if I re-read it I would probably not find it all that shocking at all. 🤣 But it's always a bit surprising for an aspect of any story that isn't what we typically might read pops up suddenly. 😂
@@BonnieNicoleWrites Exactly. I think we all fall into the trap of othering people, wherever we are on the religious or political or whatever spectrum. It's just as unhelpful to other the extreme groups though, as a liberal, as the other way around. Or any political or religious groups. Then there's no way to meet anywhere. I don't think there will ever be a time when we'll all come together in peace and love etc. There are so many other forces at play. But the best we can do is just like you said, to be mindful of our own othering and trying to keep our humanity as much as possible. And try to step in to other people's shoes every now and then. A great benefit of reading, obviously :)
I appreciate your thoughts on this so much too! As always 💜
first of all, thanks for „singing my name“ 😂❤ great song options and both new ones to me. most people go by Beethoven or The Beatles 🤣
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, I really love and appreciate how you articulate your thoughts and make me think or rethink again too!
For Parable Of The Sower: I would consider myself a christian, but now more in a spiritual than a behavioral or „strictly religious“ way. But I did study theology and was working as a pastor for a few years. There I was heavily aware of the power that position holds, which can be a great thing, but also a dangerous one. People believed what I told them and sometimes shaped their lives according to that. This just came with the role, but was a scary thing too actually. And I also saw (and experienced myself) a lot of moments where this power was misused and actually hurt or discriminated people. So I was fascinated by the way this story showed how easily a charismatic person can convince a group of people to believe in something they just came up with themselves. This is so important to know and to be aware of and for showing that I loved the book.
I didn’t go into the book at all with the same expectations as you (to be „lured in“), but I think that happened a little to me anyway 😅 Coming just out of this church job with one reason to leave being that this place was sooo reluctant to change, I read this book. And Lauren coming from christianity but pointing always at change and making it „her god‘s“ main trait was so fascinating to read about and at some point made me actually think a bit and I loved her for it. Before I realized what’s happening 😂
So I guess the reason I liked this book despite its flaws was mainly because I had a lot of connecting points with it ☺️
The hyperempathy: once it came up first, I just thought the term wasn’t the best and then saw it more as only shared physical pain and could accept it as part of the story while not being the main theme. So it didn’t really bother me that it wasn’t exploited further. But I can totally see you point there!
And for the Sci-Fi element: I agree that this really didn’t need to be there. And I’m saying that while being in a “dystopia-phase” where I usually love this elements. But here the goal of living on another planet was really not necessary or then not talked about enough.
I liked the second book too. It wasn’t what I expected, but I’m very glad I read it! I thought it brought new topics to the story. I hope you’ll share your thoughts about this too.
wow, what a novel that turned out 🤣🙈
Haha I'm glad you enjoyed! I tried my best 😂 Do you have one in mind then? That's the "right" one?
Thank you so much for saying that. It's hard sometimes to know what level to make these videos on. I can only do it them my way, but I get in my head sometimes about if I'm overexplaining or editing out too much etc, so that's nice to hear. Thank you :)
Your perspective is so fascinating to me, and shows a lot of self reflection and awareness. I've been in a "position of power" in my work as well, not in the same way as a priest, but with people who needed a lot of guidance, let's say. I wanted to try that position for good, as I'm sure you did too, but it's a hard place to be in, I think, if you are not the type of person who sort of thrives on the power itself. Which is very sad, because those are the leaders we ne (like you and me 😅) but it's very taxing.
I think this is such a good example of the quote I put in the video, how books are mirrors and we only see in them what we already have in us. I'm glad Parable of the Sower had a different role to play for you, than it did for me. I think I also felt some disconnect with the fact that she was a young girl of color. The ones who are usually in that position are men, often older and white. So I think there was a collision of a person that I would think was good (Lauren) and the act of starting a cult (bad), but then the cult part not really being so bad, but also not as healing as a religion could be... if that makes sense. There wasnt' enough of either alignment or contrast for me, to make it compelling. I'm just thinking aloud here.
Thank you for sharing your perspective. I'm sure that's been quite a journey for you. I have been through the experience of having a strong idealist vision, and then having to face realities that didn't align with that, and that can be very heart-breaking. So if your experience was anything like that, you're not alone.
I will read the second part in this duology, and I will definitely share my thoughts on that as well!
Thank you for writing a novel, I appreciate it! (I do too, all the time haha)
I was also slightly disappointed with Parable of the Sower. Most of the (few) distopias that I've read have often been some of the most powerful reads for me, they really shook me to my core, and I still think of those books years later, and I was really expecting that from Parable, but didn't get it. I felt the world-building was strong, and frighteningly realistic, but I also didn't connect much with the characters and felt parts of the story where underdeveloped. The hyper-empathy feels like it has sooooo much potential!!! She could have done so many cool things with it, but I totally agree with you, in the current state, it could be completely removed from the book and we wouldn't lose anything. I'm also highly sensitive and too empathetic for my own good sometimes, so I was really excited to read about this part - it sounded to me like neurodivergence representation as well - but felt really let down by it. It indeed reads as just a physical thing, but it also felt like in practice, it didn't affect her that much?? One thing that wasn't mentioned but also really bugged me was the love interest - the age difference and comparison with her dad made me sooooo uncomfortable, and it felt unnecessary too (like I'm ok to be uncomfortable if there is a good reason for it, but it didn't felt like that was the case here).
Wifedome sounds super interesting!
I agree that the setting felt realistic, unfortunately! It didn't feel very specific to the area though, it could kind of have been anywhere. Maybe that was the point.
I also agree the hyper empathy had potential! I thought it was going to have more meaning somehow, like HSP kind of thing, but it felt a bit tacked on and didn't really do much for the story. She wasn't very affected by it at all, considering how much pain people all around her must have been in. Or was it just a display on pain she felt? Imagine everyone having walked in the heat for days, and the pain in everyone's whole body from that all around her... her feet should have been on fire from that alone! 😅
Yes, you're right, the relationship was also very weird! For no reason! He was old enough to be rich enough to own land..?
I'm so annoyed that there were so many things that didn't work for me. I really wanted to enjoy it more, I just didn't. I still have hopes for Talents though, which might be stupid, but so be it! 😂 I'm holding on to the optimism for dear life!
@@ellenmadebookclub I don't think it's stupid: I heard someone say the second book was better than the first one (but they already loved the first one...)
@@Curious-Cat Here's hoping! ☺💜
Had to agree with much of what you said about 1984. Definitely a depressing read.
@@BeyondBooks-wt5il It certainly wasn’t uplifting! 😂
A lot of times you hear people say how this book predicted the future that we are seeing now. But like you said... he was probably writing what he saw in his own time. I completely agree with this. He was able to live thru fascist Germany and was seeing these things first hand. So I think some people miss this point. Altho I do feel it's of things to come as well... I know you aren't a religious person but the Bible says there is nothing new under the sun and I think this book would make a good argument for that. Well done!!! Now get out there an mow some lawns... been a bit since we saw any yard work from you. :)~
You're really so great with comments! 😂 At least they are from the right account this time, you're getting better! 😄
Yes, I think there is definitely an element of warning for the future in there, as it is set in the future and in Britain. But it's not like he made it all up to made a prediction. More like painting a worse case scenario if we're not careful kind of thing, because the worst case scenario had just actually happened. I can't even imagine living through the horrors of those years.
I think there is a lot of wisdom in the Bible, so I'm not opposed to it in that sense. I just don't look to it for facts. And I guess I see those wisdoms coming from humans, rather than from a divinity, but then it depends on your definition on what's what out of those! 😄 I don't have a problem with religion or religious people, as long as we're all free to believe what we want and behave ourselves 😊
I would love to go mow some lawns! I've got more videos to edit first though, and then I'm free to frolic and roam! (I would love to be able to do 5 min one take videos like you do, I'm just not built that way! 😂)
@@ellenmadebookclub yes I definitely struggle with the comments... So confusing. Lol
So clearly I would be considered religious altho I personally don't like that term for myself...but your saying I have to behave? 😭 Lol
But yeah if nothing else this book makes you think...
The love story aspect of it made me sad... Awful...
Isn't it funny how we are all different... You make long well thought out videos while I turn the camera on...ramble a little here and there and walla I have a video. 😂
@@FacelessBookReviews I think you're starting to get the hang of it! 😊
How come you don't like the term religious for yourself?
And what about the love story made you sad?
You're not going to get away with "..." here.
Haha yes, you have to show kindness toward others, not start any wars, and refrain from violence and abuse. If you want to make silly faces all day long and look for sasquatch, that's your business!
@@ellenmadebookclub @ellenmadebookclub whoa wait just a min... Look for Sasquatch? I'm here to tell you I have found him. Didn't you see him in my video... 😩
It was sad when he thought nothing would make him change how he felt about her and after enough time they ended up beating him down. A bit depressing how someone can be broken.
For me I feel if I say I'm religious it's too broad of a description. I prefer to think of myself as a follower of Christ. It's a me thing and I'm probably just nit picking.
@@FacelessBookReviews I said I'm open minded, but I can recognize special effects when I see them!
Yes, that part was horrible, one of the scariest things for sure. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
I see. Well it's a very personal thing, so it makes perfect sense that you would care about what words are used. I don't think that's being nit picky. It's a part of your identity and that matters a lot. It can still be both as well, kind of like nationality vs your local area.
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Wow that's kind of disappointing that Parable of the Sower wasn't exactly what it seemed like from the original synopsis. I thought it'd focus more on identity and maybe an attempt to depict LA previously. Like the cult era of LA with crimes. Or at least that was the vibes I got from the book initially. Love the nana song break 😂 Can't wait to see what you think about the second part. Hopefully it goes better!
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1984 is the only one I can contribute much to so... agree. I wouldn't reread it again 😂High school me was right, makes sense why I couldn't get through it. I don't know much about 1984 or remember it in general, but still, it didn't feel too intriguing. Definitely nothing is super mind blowing haha... Agree with you, this book really boils down to how corrupt humans can be when in position of power or wealth. The rats at the end was also terrifying, along with the tactics at the end because it was unhinged 🫠 I do think the impact Orwell made about the ultimate loss of yourself is succumbing to Big Brother and betraying the ones you love. Agreed! I find that it's still the same and I'm like we should have learned!! And yeah, lol when I read that, made me kind of annoyed because it's so clear that it was the same! I thought it was ironic that he was paranoid about Julia out to get him, and then he just accepts other people in part2?? And he quite literally wanted to kill Julia in the beginning!!! 🙃But I guess the "love" is stretched because it's the only form of defiance? from their government.
I'd be down to read either versions of 1984 that you're interested in. Yeah, unfortunately there's been so many changes in USA government and society that is blocking a lot of media (eg. banned books) in certain states. As a result... history isn't being taught.
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I'm not sure why I had those expectations on Parable, I probably read the synopsis and filled in some blanks myself! It was what I hoped the book would be, but I'm not sure it promised anything like that 😅 Might just have been me! Still disappointed though, it would have been an awesome book if it had been what I had pictured! 😂 I felt like LA wasn't a part of it at all, it could have taken place anywhere along the coast. There was nothing specific to any city, just climate and landscape.
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It sure wasn't fun! I'm still glad I read it though, but more as an achievement and general knowledge, than for enjoyment. It is a part of history in itself, both literary and actual history, so it's an important book in that sense. But I hope I never feel the need to pick it back up. Other than the Julia retelling 😂 I'm mostly just curious to hear her thoughts throughout the story, because her character was kind of flat to me in 1984, but it felt like there could be a lot more under the surface, that Orwell either wouldn't, couldn't or didn't care to explore.
Yes, the manipulation at the end, 2+2=5 etc, was very dark and uncomfortable to read. Brainwashing at its "finest". And the trust was so annoying, didn't make sense at all. But I guess you would take any chance you could get, if it presented itself.
You're right, the love was an act of defiance. That must have strengthened it a lot, or added another layer to it. But so... is it love then? Or rebellion?
I hope the American politics are about to change for the better, it's been on a really scary path. There is more hope now than before, but I'm still a bit apprehensive. Maybe 1984 rubbed off on me, I'm like "trust no one" 😂
I'll keep Wifedom and Julia in mind for the book club picks! Hopefully we can find some more fun reads in between though!
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@@ellenmadebookclub Honestly, I felt like the synopsis was implying slightly as to what you and I thought it'd be on 🥴 So I would definitely be disappointed that it didn't focus too much on that.
I agree! It's good in the aspect that it's history or a retelling of history. But maybe there needs to be a rewrite with more of an enticing storyline because the beginning was 🫠 Took me so long to get through!! I do want to see Julia's perspective as to why she was enticed by him because nothing about him screamed attractive to me lol. The whole book did only focus on him though. Over all, interesting read, not mind breaking in anyway for me just depressing honestly 😂
Yes! I'll definitely choose those books if it's in the rotation. Hopefully it'll be a better paced book than this one though. And not just a rehash of the story!
@@itsmimiduong Hahaha nothing about Winston "screamed attractive" to me either 😂😂 I think Julia is a pretty accurate retelling, so it probably follows roughly the same format. Might still be more interesting though, hopefully ^^