Swedes Don’t Want You to Know THIS About Sweden
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- In this video, we'll be diving into all the things they don't tell you about Sweden. The things that you wont understand when you first move here, and that you'll have to learn for yourself. The intricate twists and turns of Swedish culture that you have to navigate for yourself to really understand. Basically, the things that are so inherently part of Swedish culture, that no one would even think to tell you about them - since its just so obvious and clear to everyone that's in the know already! So sit back and enjoy this video as I comically dive into some of the things they don't want you to know about Sweden... then let me know if you agree or not in the comments below!
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I actually get a little bit annoyed when I see someone bring up jantelagen like this in regards to how it is in Sweden. Those 10(?) points are from a satirical book, it's never anything like most of those in the real world. In reality, jantelagen is simply "Don't think you are better than anyone else." Nothing more. And it's meant to bring people together, no matter how succesful you are, you are still just a human being, not above anyone else. And likewise it works the other way, not matter how unsuccesful you are, you are still a worthy human being.
Sandemose published his first book in Denmark during 1923. His most notable work was En flyktning krysser sitt spor (1933). The novel was translated into English and published under the title A Fugitive Crosses His Tracks in 1936 by Alfred A. Knopf. In this novel, Sandemose introduced the concept of the Law of Jante, a listing of ten cultural rules which describe a pattern of group behaviour towards individuals common to Nordic countries.
Det är inte första gången den här hjälten är ute och cyklar. Han har kommit med en massa skit tidigare.
Jag har blivit förbannad på honom många gånger. Då undrar han vad han gjort för fel.
Hans v-blogg bygger på att få så många icke svenska tittare som möjligt genom att skita ner svenskarna.
Han skriver att han bott så länge i Sverige så han finner bara allting gott.
Skitsnack, han är expert att måla fan åpå väggen.
Nu fick jag upp honom som förslag av TH-cam. Annars har jag skippat
den här drulen. Man blir bara så skit lack på honom!
@@stefanandersson2402 Not as behaviour common for the Nordic countries. That wasn't even a concept at the time. Common for people in general and small town people in particular.
It also means ”Don’t think of youreself as someone special”. All you have to do is to Google it. In my opinion the ultimate consequence is that it takes away the individual’s fullest potential to act out themselfs. Which ultimately leads to low self esteem which you can clearly tell by looking at Swedes.
@@MiddleLane658 And you are nothing special. You are one out of some 6 billion(?) people here on earth, how special do you think anyone can be?
But that doesn not mean you can't be good at something. We have tons of great swedish athletes, movie and musical stars that don't think they are something special. They are just better than most people in some specific field.
If you are good at something here in Sweden, you are encouraged to delve deeper into that, you are not treated like some special wonderchild.
There is no thing as ”minimum wage” in Sweden. And we try to keep it that way despite the pressure from the EU. And, believe it or not, it is supported by the worker’s unions to avoid defining a minimum wage. The reasons is that such a level will be something the ”cheap” employers will try to have as a standard instead of a ”floor”.
I'm definitely guilty of turning the bar code towards myself and lining up the groceries in a neat, single line. I remember there was an information campaign a while back about the working enviroment of tellers. It's bad for their wrists with having to lift the groceries and turning them around and stuff like that. So I do it just to make sure to make it easier for them.
I did not know that, I will do that in the future
wow, you never even think of the health benefits/effects for the cashiers! I always do it now too, just to try and do my bit - its nice to help people out, right :)
@@yezih2694 fun that we've all learned something new today :)
This is the right answer from Jennie, its not about efficiency to make the cue go fast and easy, its mainly about the tellers working environment and reduce repetitive strain injury amongst tellers. Thank you for a nice channel.
I'm in the US and I always do this.
Just to be clear, Jante is not a real law, code of conduct or something like that. It began as a parody of some aspects of social life in smaller, rural communities, and is mostly laughed upon. With that said, bragging or showing of is not always socially acceptable here, but being proud of yourself certainly is.
Precisely. And it referred to Norway, not Sweden...
@@greenman4946 Denmark.
If we cared so much about jantelagen we wouldnt be jerking off to swedish celebreties and pro athletes 24/7.
I am pretty sure nobody takes jantelagen literally, but overly bragging about yourself is not something most of us like. That being said we don't mind if someone is rightfully proud of their achievements.
Yes we do. Only problem is as a law abiding citizen job interviews are really awkward.
@@johanhalvarsson2148 I guess we have different experiences.
@@johanhalvarsson2148 The real life version we take very seriously, the one from the book, not even close. So it depends on which version one talks about.
@@johanhalvarsson2148 Yes, indeed they are - in many countries people exaggerate their experience and achievements in an interview, and write ditto CV's, but that is really bad fake in Sweden and back-fires. You have to be precisely truthful and not use a lot of superlatives, but just tell matter of factishly about what you can bring, if they'd choose you for a job. It is an art.
My Son is named Elvis! Born and raised in Sweden
An example of Jantelagen: I got an A on my thesis paper, only told my international friends about it and my close family (mother and sister). I was very excited about it but didn't wanna share it with my classmates or other Swedish people I knew. I would feel uncomfortable and I assumed my classmates would think I'm a boastful B-word if I were to share the news with them. Might just be in my head, but something tells me it's not. They would probably dislike it if I did say it. That's my take on it. EDIT: Even posting this comment made me uncomfortable and it made me question if it's okay for me to post it or if I should delete it lol
I have a good example of why Jentelagen is still a good thing.
First things first, it has many versions, the one I grew up with is: Don't brag about yourself, don't push people down for your accomplishments, don't lie of what you can do, be kind and respect what others can do that you can't.
So I was in a Job Interview with a Tech Company, that deals with programming.
For those who don't know: Programming and Engineering is not the same thing and can't be interchanged.
So I introduced myself, I went over what I had learned, what I could hopefully be of help with, and wished to learn from them as much as I could.
An elderly man, roughly in his 70s, kept on bragging about how good he was at programming, and how he could solve so many problems.
In the end, the elderly man got the job.
So at the day, I went up to him, congratulated him on getting the job.
But I did ask, since I was generally interested, what programming language had he worked with? After all, he bragged he had over 50 years of experience.
Turns out, he had no clue what a programming language was, and he had been a Engineer, "programming" the machines to do their work.
As in telling a program, what it needs to do along a conveyor belt, and such.
So the company, hired a person, who had no programming knowledge but had great engineering, and machinery knowledge.
And once a contract is written and signed, it can't be changed, unless something is broken in it. (Otherwise you would go against the Workers Unions and Government laws)
So I was refused because of bragging about skill and accomplishments.
I've been in UK for 12 years, and I still turn my barcode the correct way, when they ask me at the till i just say "it saves your wrists" the gratitude i receive after that is just amazing, wish we all could do it
Elvis is not banned, I know 3 Elvis. Brunstgnägg , Token, Kissemurran is banned and yes some one tried that.
no way?!😅 people are insane hahaha
The first sick day (Karensdag ~ waiting day) is to give people the opportunity of sick-pay without people abusing it with hangover mondays or "oh, i just sneezed and I'm tired, better stay home and make sure". It also encourages people to not come back until they're feeling good again, a problem with semi-workaholics being sick is they're trying to bounce back too soon, infecting colleagues, then being home on the third day again.
Staying home that first day becomes an investment that's only worth it if you're properly sick and will be gone for several days. The government got rid of the Karensdag temporarily during the pandemic to make sure people stayed home from the first symptoms to slow down the spread at workplaces.
Pile of groceries on the conveyor belt = Friday, Sat, Sunday on löningshelg. Svensson is shopping for the month
As you probably know, Jantelagen is not originally Swedish but Danish. The author Axel Sandemose wrote a fiction in 1933 about his hometown Nyköbing where the inhabitants according to him had the characteristics that the Jante Act describes. All these points are not true for us Swedes in my opinion. The one who fits best is probably "You should not imagine that you are better than us" and "You should not think that you are better than us".
Unfortunately, young people do not seem to embrace these points as they often emphasize themselves without blushing. Especially in Stockholm.
Hehe! You Swedes, you are something else!
So which of laws do not describe you in your opinion?
Fun fact: there is an 11'th law, "do not think I do not know something about you"
@@doncarlodivargas5497 So, you have read the book?
@@SteamboatW - yes I have, but what have that to do with it? The 'jante' issue is well known and something everyone knows
@@doncarlodivargas5497 No, I'd say that it's not well known, and almost always taken out of context.
The purpose in Sweden for vacation is rest and recreation. We don't consider sick leave or care of sick child (VAB) as either. The reason for changing leave is that vacation pay is salary accrued and therefore the employee's own money, ie you pay for it yourself. Sick pay and VAB is paid by employer or authorities. So don't waste your vacation money!
This is a right by law.
I’ve got two jobs in the uk and both allow me to do this as well
You are spot on! I as a Swede was laughing at myself a couple of times!😂 Thankyou for this❣️
Quite common to tip 10% in "nicer" restaurants. I don't think anyone will be offended if you don't, but if you can afford it and you had a nice time then 10% as said is common and you can add some extra if it was extraordinary.
It's still important to report the first sickday even if you aren't payed because the company can't hold that against you whilst just not showing up several times can.
As a swede, i also do that thing with the barcode when i buy stuff at the store. I also started to do this a couple of years ago when they came out and said that it would help the cashiers a lot.
After that i always do it, no matter where i buy stuff.
As a brit living in Britain, I also do this. It just seems the right thing to do.
It also makes it faster to scan things which means you will be out of there in less time. It's a win win no matter how you look at it.
I'm seriously enjoying your videos - and learning HOW much Sweden and Denmark (count Norway & Finland in) are a like. Makes me feel more Scandinavian, and that's a nice feeling 😉
Peace and love
The thing about the bar-code is so true.. As a Swede myself I really HATE when people doesn't do this. I always prepare my items with the barcodes and also leave the items that need to be weitghed towards the end (or first).
Regarding the sickdays I have (at this point of writing) 40 hours of free "off work hours" that I can use before it resets to zero and builts up agains for 2022. -8we get about 50hours/year at my workplace).. As a true Swede I don't see a reason to take time off my work so I don't want to be any trouble and use my hours to skip work and instead say that I'll work and if I need to go early -why didn't I need to do it for the last 40 hours last year...? So I have the power to take them our but I don't... and writing this makes me feel kinda stupid... but I work from home at the moment so what should I do? Stop early to go home?.... I'm already home. Go shopping? -But then I need to leavy my home.... It's complicated during the restrictions. :P
I allso do the bar code thing just to make it easyer on the tellers, but i add a item that has to be weighted once a while when i feel like i cant keep up with the teller. It takes longer time to weight the items so then i can catch up with the bar code turning thing.
@@soulis1000 And then we come to the next problem when the people that already paid for their wares starts going through their receipt in order to go back to the teller to sort our why they didn't get a pound discount on their potatoes just in order to learn that the coupons they used were from two weeks ago -and then they just leave it on the line and goes back to packing their wares really really slow.... sigh!!! :P
Fortunately I have a great Swedish boss, and he told me that I could turn my vacation days to sick days when I got COVID on a holiday home!
That's actually the rule for everyone. My work is accounting salaries, with all the rules.
I think everyone is allowed to do that, right? nice that you have such a good boss though :D
They are, but most my bosses back in the US wouldn't tell their employees about the option, even if it were available legally
That is the rule in Sweden, he propably got it from home. We don't have a fixed number of sick days, but we have limited paid vacation/holiday days.
True, you don't want to use a precious vacationdays if you get sick. :)
I've only switched days one time and that was when I got hospitalised on my last week of vacation. It was nice to be able to use those days later.
Elvis is not banned in Sweden. Know plenty of people with that name.
It is probably wise to take things stepwise when/if moving abroad and you share some important things from a Swede's daily life and habits though I must say that I think the companies ought to inform their foreign employees about karensdagen, annual leave etc. A foreigner can't be expected to know about things like these, nor can he/she be expected to have any knowledge about the noble art of loading things on the conveyer belt in the grocery store. The difference is that sickleave and annual leave rules are a bit complex while you quickly understand how to arrange your food before paying for it. Once you got the hang of it... Anyhow, I'm glad you brought these things up, it may save some frustration.
Oh, by the way, did you know that we had a kind of tipping in restaurants long ago? The prices shown on the meny was for the food only. When you got the bill, you found that a fee called "serveringsavgift" had been added. I don't remember if it was 5 or 15% plus that one was expected to give a small tip. It disappeared about 40 years ago; the price on the menue must show what the guest is going to be charged.
thanks Staffan! thought it was time to dig into some of the more nuanced signs and symbols of Swedish life! I never knew that you used to have tipping in Sweden too though, how interesting!! thanks for sharing :)
The "no pay first day" or "karensdag" was partly to avoid ppl who were Ill on mondays.
It also keeps people who are a little sick going to work, which with corona (or any cold in general) maybe isnt the best.
Interestingly the "karensdag" rule doesnt apply to politicians ... which is rather horrible.
interesting! didn't know there was an exception for politicians though - I wouldn't be surprised if it was a rule for them and a rule for us in other countries, but I'm surprised to hear its the same here!
@@JustaBritAbroad I actually think an employer can write the "karensdag" out of the contract. Curiously, these days the Karensdag is pretty much removed, and we instead have a "Karensavdrag". This is because some people, like shift workers for instance, lose a lot more if they are sick one day of three instead one day of five.
Basically, most shift workers work 3 12-hour shifts a week and then get four days off instead of usual five-two scheme.
I'm not sure the exemption for politicians is correct, but if it is - it is possibly because full time politicians are not seen as employed, but as having a position of trust. Politicians can be removed without notice at any time (it's rare, but it happens) - employees are protected by work space laws. In general there are quite a few differences between employment and positions of trust in this area.
@@JustaBritAbroad Well, the "karensdag" doesn't apply to politicians, but neither do sickdays or holidays. A full time politician is expected to be on duty 24/7 365 days a year, no matter what.
I am not sure, but if I think it’s a scandinavien thing and are seldom brought up. When you rent a flat/house, fridge/freezer/stove is included in the apartmet and belongs to the landlord, some times washing machine and tumble dryer is included too. And those are in the bathroom or laundery room. Kitchen is for kitchen stuff ;)
Making things easier for others is a nice thing to do, and that includes your children. One weird couple wanted to name their baby girl "Adolfina Stalina"... Just "Putin" in out there...
completely agree with you! wow, what an unfortunate name😱
Regarding sick leave during vacation. The reason you should not have vacation during your sick leave is that the vacation days are just that your vacation salary is witheld salary and you are entitled to sick leave paid by insurance instead.
Swede here, went shopping once in London, doing my swedish thing, lining up the groceries on the belt all nice and proper. The chashier commented that it was a nice thing to do, and I was like "Yes? How else would you go about it?" I just couldn't imagine any other way. English poeple just... throws everything in a big pile or something? 😅
These days we have the self scanning ofc, so we we can avoid contact with the chashier all together, which is perfect for us swedes 😉
Seems to me that Jantelagen is almost always mentioned by someone criticizing the janteness of Sweden, and ofc, it was ment as a satire about this scandinavian behavior. It's not like someone seriously wrote all these rules down expecting people to live by it 😆
I did that in Sweden more than 20 years ago, before moving to London. I was exploring efficiency, Lean etc, and used the conveyor belts at the tills at the grocery stores to make a few hands-on experiments (unknown to the cashiers). Back then, nobody laid out the groceries with the bar code ready to scan, and when I did, I received about the same, and often quite surprised response from the cashiers.
haha so funny that you experienced this from the opposite side Peter, thanks for sharing! that gave me a good giggle!
The reason you don't get paid on the first day of sickness is that people started using the system (in a negative sense). Like 20 or 30 years ago, we didn't have that, and people called in sick a bit too much. Sadly, the few ruined it for the rest.
Yeah, sadly your right about this. I think
it was during the early 1990s that the law on the first day of illness was introduced, and to be fair, as a born swed, I think it's a fair system!
I never realized that turning the barcode towards the scanner was unusual. Not everyone does it, but it's considered common courtesy.
When you shop grocery you should think about how you stack your things even in the cart. When you get to the cashier you should always put heavy things first because of risk of damage. Always barcode the right way and most importantly, and all items without barcode last!
funnily enough, the ordering in the cart is something we do in the UK too, to try and plan how we pack our bags! its just turning the barcode the right way around that I'd not really thought of before😅
Hi there,
Great video...I have been living in Sweden for 12 Years now after living in the UK for 10 years and agree with most of the thigs you said. just thought i would mention that I have a collegue I work with here in Sweden and she named her son Elvis. On another note I love turning up th bar Code for the cashier but once I started Self checkout I haven't had the pleasure,. Self checkout is a game changer for me. Happy New Year Shalika.
About the names...
Elvis is a name that is allowed. There's a lot of little Elvises running around in Sweden. I think that long weird name you saw was supposed to be pronounced Alex (saw it in another video), which is totally out there.
Poland had the name disapproval as well. My mom's first name was disapproved in Poland, so she got another "official" first name than the name her family called her by. Which was kind of funny, because she went by 2 totally different names depending if it was school (and later work), or family and close private friends.
Here in Sweden, the name you are called by (tilltalsnamn) doesn't have to be your first name. So she managed to make that name the official calling name.
You can change your holiday if you’re off sick in UK too Gregg. I do love the idea of parents not being able to give their gives weird and wacky names that they have to live with for the rest of their life - Fifi-Trixibelle - er no! Great vid. Learn new things every time xx
Fifi Trixibelle is a suitable name for a Yorkshire terrier...
In Canada, a lot of places tipping is not mandatory either for many places but, I try to when I can if, I was satisfied with the service or product.
I agree with your approach, its nice to give a tip when you want to show appreciatiion for something!
It's the worst feeling when you have a lot of groceries and the conveyor belt is running fast and you can't keep up the turning of the bar codes! I feel like such an ass. Regarding Jante I think he's due for a makeover, yes, don't brag and make others feel bad. But it's allowed to feel good about yourself and share it, in a nice way.
Actually there is no minimum wage stipulated by the state.
Terms and compensation is negotiated by the empoyer and employee organisations alone.
Okay, I have a question about blending in. I happen to know severl Swedish musicians, heavy metal musicians to be exact and obviously what they due does not blend in. So, how does your typical Swede react to those who are famous and have careers that by their very nature prevent you from blending in?
We don't usually bother celebrities. We might say someting appreciative, without treating them like "superstars". Normally we just nod and whisper if we recognise someone. I guess us Swedes don't like making big noice about things and acting "embarrassing" :)
They have children at daycare like everyone else, and blend in in everyday life. It's not like they have their stage gear on all of the time 😊
Jantelagen may in some (hopefully) prevent some people from taking advantage of others. Sweden used to be very poor up to the end of 1800's and even if some people had slightly more resources than others they kept it low key. That lack of open competition had a uniting effect. My personal guess here ("killgissning") is this was favored by strong unions and workers right in the middle of 1900's.
The so called "karensdag" is because years ago many called in sick, but wheren't sick at all. Politicians decided that the first day without pay would teach cheaters not to cheat.
Names...As a matter of fact there are 2450 guys in Sweden with the name Elvis. Fully approved by the authorities.
With this said, I must also say I really like your videos ❤
interesting! never knew that was where it came from, thanks for sharing Marie! shame for the people that don't cheat the system though :) and so fun to hear that you enjoy my videos, thanks so much for watching!
@@JustaBritAbroad I handle the karensdag by simply returning to work one day later than I normally would.
@@JustaBritAbroad It's half true - the rule was instituted due to pressure from the conservative parties, who *claimed* there was a lot of that going on, but never actually had any proof of it. It *might* be true...but there's no evidence of it one way or the other. In truth, I suspect it was just part of their overall strategy to worsen conditions for the working class, much of it borrowed from the Reagan administration.
Sweden is a beautiful and vibrant place to live, but there are a few things you should know before you make the move. First, Sweden has a reputation for being expensive due to its high standard of living, so it is important to budget accordingly. Second, the weather in Sweden can be quite extreme, with summers marked by long days and dark winters. Be sure to pack accordingly for the weather. Third, Sweden has a strong emphasis on environmental sustainability and is very conscious of its carbon footprint. If you are considering living there, make sure you are aware of the environmental policies in place. Fourth, the language of Sweden is Swedish and most people speak it as their primary language, although English is widely spoken as well. If you are planning to stay for a while, it is worth taking the time to learn Swedish. Lastly, Sweden is a very safe and welcoming country. The people are friendly and tolerant, and crime is low in comparison to other countries. Moving to Sweden can be an exciting and rewarding experience, but it is important to be aware of the nuances of the country before you go.
In New Zealand it is very similar: 1. You are not expected to tip (it is a real exception). 2. You can change your leave part way through a holiday if you then got sick 3. We have a similar concept to Jantelagen ... we call it "Tall Poppy Syndrome" - it is impolite to boast about yourself or be flashy and demonstrate your wealth.
There's much we don't tell you about Sweden. We can be a bit rude, even if we don't always mean it or says something that was meant in a different way
oooh now I want to know what else you haven't told me ;) kidding!
@@JustaBritAbroad you probably want a 100 liter Coca-Cola bottle and a few tons of popcorn hehe
I was told that in UK you tip if the receipt states "Service not included". So I've tipped seeing that.
Name Elvis is not banned.
Elvis being banned was such a strange thought that I had to google, to try to find out was was behind it. Apparently a couple wanted to give their newborn GIRL the name Elvis, which was stopped because it's a male name.
oh its not?! my sources must have been incorrect haha thanks for clarifying!
@@katam6471 oh is THAT where it came from? interesting!!
I love the nsme approval list! It is a great idea😊
Jante was a Norwegian writing about a fictional Danish town as a parody of the "small town" mentality. The book is interesting, but the "jante law" have never been a real thing, really. Bragging is frowned upon in Sweden, but individual expression is something seen as a human right.
I know several people named Elvis - most of them born in the 1970's. So I don't know where that comes from. If ypu don't mean the couple who wanted to name their *girl* Elvis, of course. I even had a classmate named "Tajrånn" who was named after Tyrone Powers.
Oh, and incidentally, Brfxxccxxmnpcccclllmmnprxvclmnckssqlbb11116, is pronounced [ˈǎlːbɪn] ("Albin").
Sandemose var faktisk dansk..
@@carstenegholm45 Trots att Sandemose både föddes och dog i Danmark räknas han som en norsk författare. Sandemose är ett norskt namn. Hans mor var norsk, hans fru och barn var Norska och han tillbringade större delen av sitt vuxna liv i Norge. Han skrev på norskt riksmål, som skiljer sig något från bokmål.
Or Elvispresely?? His first and family name as one?
I too was surprised Elvis was mentioned, having met a few with this name.
Whaat? Whats with that Albin thing?
@@BosisofSweden Well, check the video. It's in there.
Well Elvis is a name that actually worked before.... as there are over 2000 persons with this name in Sweden.
Janteloven was about Nykøbing, Mors. I think the author claimed it was applicable worldwide, if I remember correctly.
I think that is correct, here in Norway we also have the expression "the village animal"
if im not mistaken the first day of sick leave is not payed so u cant be lazy and take the friday off just cuz you want to go to your cabbin and the 80% of that day is paid anyway, or if you been out on a party and feel tierd on mondays :)
The list of names reminded me of a French film called What's in a Name? where the new father tells his friends that they are naming their new baby Adolph and all hell breaks loose! (; I wonder if Sweden would allow that name? (;
Love the bar codes pointed in a direction to make things easier for the cashier! I will start doing that here where I live! (:
It is actually a very popular name among the elderly... or was at least and it will come back one day. After all it is just a name like Donald, Napoleon, Nikolai, Vladimir or Saddam...
Elvis is by the way not at all forbidden. I know a few.
@@BosisofSweden How can you compare the Hitler name to Napoléon?!
@@LeJobastre1215 It is just a name, an official name of a leader, a name.
@@BosisofSweden It's not the same thing obviously
@@LeJobastre1215 Yes it is. Adolf is just a fucking name. It was a name hundreds of years before Hitler showed up and it has continued to be a freaking boys name. We have children from all over the world here and names from all over the world. We had 1843 Adolf here in 2021, 851 Napoleon, 13 Barack and 89 Saddam. It is just a name.
AGREE FULLLLLL :)
As a Swede, I personally think it is too much sometimes. There is a difference between being proud of something than bragging, I think. But preferably in Sweden it is the same thing and I think that is stupid. Then it becomes that you push people down. I'm so glad we do not have that thing in my friendship group.
The law of Jante that makes os communial is the part that surpassed time in my openion. We don't center ourselves much, we apreciate that we were part of a group effort to reach a goal more than we wanna grab all the glory for our selves.
Hi there. If you're at work and start to feel sick and have to go home, then you can make the Karensdag lower from 100%, to 25, 50, 75%, depending what time on that workday you have to leave and go home to cure yourself. Keep it up!
Jantelagen is from a Norwiegan-Danish author, Axel Sandemose
it sure is Eva! so interesting how its become so associated with Sweden in particular?
@@JustaBritAbroad it simply resonated very well with 1950s Sweden or so. Those old days when we were truly world beaters were also the heydays of no bragging allowed, for some reason.
A UK Aldi was a hell of an experience for my swedish fella, they were so annoyed with him for how slowly he was putting things on the belt!
Originally Jantelagen is from a Norwegian book by Aksel Sandemose criticizing the "small mentality of small people" holding eachother back from becoming their best. It was so spot on to certain parts of scandinavian mentality at it's worst that the Jante law became widely known and became used always as a bad example. If you say people today refer to it as something good, we need to gather them into a building and set it on fire. But yes, this is scandinavians at our worst. Equity could mean that we make sure everyone suffers as much as the one who suffers the most, that would be fair to us and Jante laws would approve.
Getting paid to miss work for one day would encourage people to "get sick" and miss work the day after attending a concert or sporting event or a family party that runs into the early morning hours. People also have a habit of getting sick the day before or after a scheduled day off. Not getting paid for that first day removes the reward for skipping work because you're "sick" for one day.
In Germany too, baby names are restricted:
Restrictions include no gender-neutral names (eg. Matti), no last names (eg. Schmidt), no names of objects (eg. Mercedes), controversial world leaders (Hitler, Stalin), or names of products (eg. Adidas), as first names; and no names that could negatively affect the child's well-being or lead to humiliation (eg. Stompie [stumpy], Lucifer, Teufel [devil]).
The first point is probably very debated today
In Portugal we also have a list of names that parents have to choose from, to name their children. And we also earn 60% of our salaries if we get sick but we need to get the doctors approval that we are actually sick and can't work, in order to get that money, otherwise we have to work or earn nothing for those days off
I was in Stockholm a couple of years ago, and when I tried to leave a tip in the restaurant the girl was offended, she did not want to take the tip. Maybe I just said something stupid, I do not know. Btw I do this barecode thing in Hungary, it is not common here, and I did not heard about that a whole country used to do it.
Hm I think that depends on the company you work for, regarding your vacation days and getting sick e.t.c.
I've never heard of that at all, and I am from Sweden. But of course, maybe I am wrong. I haven't had the "pleasure" of this working in Health care nor as a masseus.
I do the bar code courtesy here in the US and I see others do it as well…
Yep, right about tipping for sure 🙂
And the taxes!
Yep, I’m always very careful to turn the code the right way to make it easier and faster.
Jantelagen. I do not love that law but being brought up within that law it’s pretty much brainwashed into my system lol!
Vacations and being home with sick kids… yes, been there. With three kids it kind of gets… well, sh*t happens. Lol!
How wants to name their kid IKEA??? Hahaha!!! So funny!
We went for international names for our kids. Probably English sounding because we used to be a lot in the U.S. We wanted the names sounding pretty much the same in any language. Almost any language.
Love the video👍👍👍💗🌸
I had some relatives born around 100 years ago getting english names, or rather english words as names.
If you work for one year, you usually earn 25 vacation days, of which you have the right to take 20 consecutive days. If you become ill during your holiday, you can report sick, after which you are insured to receive 80% of the salary. Whether the first day is paid or not has varied over time and depends on the prevailing economy and what government we have.
About the first sick day, the quarantine day from compensation that is, here is the trick: if you feel that cold coming on, go home 1 hour early and report yourself sick. That triggers the quarantine day BUT just for that last hour. Next day home sick you are compensated as if it’s day 2! And it’s not even cheating.
Jantelagen is sarcastic humour, not reality... Swedes got the notion from a couple of 1930s novels by Norwegian-Danish writer Aksel Sandemose about the pettiness of social life in a fictional small Danish town.
the Jante lagen is totally taken out of context at times, and other countries have similar sayings
I think that Jantelagen basiclly is good but I think it´s sometimes is controlling us to much. I think everyone should be able and alowed to be proud of their achievements but I still think it is important to think about how to do it. Feel free to be proud! But I think it´s important to think about how to be proud so it doesn´t make others feel bad or look bad.
interesting perspective, thanks for sharing your thoughts Martin! but I agree with you, like everything, its open to personal interpretation and up to each of us to work out how to cherry pick the parts that make sense in our daily lives!
Be proud. Express yourself, but don't brag. That's basically it. And hand on heart, who likes someone who brags?
Jantelagen is probably more about beeing humble and keeping your achievements private. Not revealing to much about yourself to others.
Jante (Jantelagen) is a fictitious Danish town in a Norwegian novel.
You are out on thin ice here.
Of course one should turn the barcodes towards myself! It's about respect and confederation about the worker scanning them! 😊 And I hope to god we won't get the tipping culture here! It's their employer who should pay a living wage, not the customers paying the salaries so that the employer can put more in his pocket.
Thank you well done on this video and i think you got it all in there and i was thinking you should do some livestreams and if you decide to do it i recommend the stream yard because it is easy to set up and it doesn´t require that much from your computer. Think about it i would recommend you do it just a tip.
Actually we do get paid the first day of sickness since like a couple of years ago when the "karensdag" got replaced by "karensavdrag", which is a %-deduction for the first day of sickness based of your weekly salary beeing the karensavdrag instead of karensdag which was a deduction of one whole day. This change was made because it would be unfair for those who are working shifts 🙂
Superfastyellyfish or Dotcom is probaly the funniest name on the banned name list here in Sweden.
hahaha as a belgian living in greece, my collegues would ask me about what i ve done in my life when i spoke up about it, it was said i couldn t brag, it's a none done over here however i was just answering the question, however it is a fact that i speak 6 languages going on 7 but i couldn t say that, not because i was bragging but it triggered their insecurities, i thought it to be sad, this company was not able to use me to my full potential bringing all of that expierence in different things,... well just because they didn t even allowed me to say what expierence i had, such a shame and of course i have to go as my potential will never be used to the fullest here,...
it will make me schrink and fall asleep so sad
Be sure to read every webpage and broshure with information you come across, so that you can ask about every issue. You should also absolutely join a union as soon as you land in Sweden, even before you have applied for your first job. Or you will regret it when you afterwards realize that you should have done so. You can lose a lot of money because you don't know your rights which Swedes believe are normal in all the world.
We know that there are bank-holidays in some other countries - but did YOU know about "aftnar" and Fridays and "helger" and "klämdagar" and "röda dagar". Swedes can seldom explain the logic, so you end up meeting closed doors, and messages like "Call again on Monday", NN is "in meeting" (and at last you realize that "meeting" goes on till the next day), and/or simply "Stängt", in addition to being frowned upon when you ask about it.
Swedes simply want as much free time as possible, you should calculate with that - you need Mentors to emulate at your job. They might show you that even if a day isn't a religious holiday, the day before can be an "afton" and even if some days are supposed to be normal workdays, they might be "klämdagar" and services are closed - and if you on such bring your kids to the kindergarten, for which you have payed a full monthly fee, the staff is forever sour because you made them work, when the could have been free, if it wasn't for you, and maybe a few other parents "who don't want to stay at home with the kids as all who love their kids are happy to do".
And speaking of kindergarten, every piece of clothing including every sock, has to have a name-tag on it, and you have to look to it that there are second clothes available of every kind on any day. And you must tell when you have a vaccation-day planned months ahead. In the work-place it is possible that the summer is planned already a year ahead, and the schedule normally follows a routine which is known already in January, negotiated in November. Spontanity and flexibility is not appreciated.
Banks, libraries, post offices, shops, pharmacies, baths, etc, shift their opening hours a lot. After 10 years in Sweden you might start to have an intuition about the negative surprises you will encounter.
Buying tickets to trams, buses, trains, etc, is a whole science, which Swedes are not familiar with ordinarilly, because car-owners know nothing, and commuters only know their own regular case. But do read information first, then you are more ready to ask what you need to know, be prepared for complex rules at your expense, and no cash accepted!
But you are very welcome to Sweden, we are secretly phantastic, and very tolerant and open-minded (but not to hints of criticism or to tips about fixing things better). Keep smiling and never be loud. And say "Tack så mycket" again and again.
You'd better never use "ska" as a future tense, that will surely get you some enemies before too long. Use only "kommer att" or just present tense adding a word for time, and you are safe, until you have learnt the rather complex rules. I have noticed that this would take at least five years, and Swedes can't tell you which the rules are, and will most likely lead you astray if they try to - as boring grammar is not taught in Swedish schools, not even teachers know grammar very well, neither math.
Greetings from Finland for a change!
Well waitresses have good union behind them and that´s the reason that they get the salary to provide themself. There are only few jobs that you might not get enough to pay your living and one is to be a taxi driver. Becouse there are not minimum wage determined by law you get only comission from how much you earn to your employer. If you work (sit behind wheel) your whole shift but don´t have any customer you won´t get paid at all. Or if it´s quiet and you have only few customers you just won´t make enough money. So every single taxi driver is happy for even small tips to get cup of coffee. This corona time in Finland have been horrifieing against all restaurants and taxi services. We had here alot of restrictions that Sweaden didn´t had. Last 2 years has been very hard.
And yes, i drive taxi at myself. I have been driving almost 13 years so this is no bullshit. it just is what it is...
I´ve seen that in Sweden, i do it in Finland, but here it is not so common. Also register finds the code faster so if i start to look at the code from every product i propably am just slowing the register and im glad that everybody doesn´t try to do that. Some people would make me nerverack as they would search for the bar codes.
No bragging here either and usualy in work we call even our supervisors and bosses by them first names.
We have that in law here that if you get sick and are sick more than three days of your holliday it will be changed and you can keep those days some other point as a holliday that you were sick.
Wirst day rule become becouse people took sometimes too easy a sick day. Now that they don´t get payd for it they don´t take that yous beopuse thay don´t feel like coming to work or have hangover. Those were biggest reason people did have one sick day before the change into the law.
Same thing here. You can´t just take what ever for a name and give it to your child. So that´s why i don´t see anyone called Burger, Toaster or Joker 😁.
Yes I'm swedish and those are so on point and so true we are so used to it so we do take it for granted that ppl knows this ..
I liked this vid 👍🏾😊
In Gothenbur there is a guy namned Stålmannen (superman)
I have heard that in Sweden you can see everybody's old addresses during their lifetime from some shared common database. As a Finn that sounds bit wild. In Sweden i understand the address you live on is extremely important status marker. In Finland nobody really gives a...where you live.
"Jantelagen" finns i fler länder under andra namn tex Norge, Danmark, Finland och säkert en massa länder. :)
Maybe i have said this before, sorry, tips are not deductible as a cost on company accounts. At least swedish accountants go ballistic if somebody uses the company card on things that are not deductible.
I love how i love in sweden
“Jantelagen” is not observed in posh neighborhoods like Östermalm. :p
Jantelagen is described as something we live after when it's actually the other way around. It's a small town mentality that inspired the author to write the fictional law. Theese conducts has been in the minds of Scandinavians since the 19:th century. ( not 100% sure about the time frame though). Today I think most of us admits that it is driven by envy for most part. The strive for equality and to recognize that the world doesn't revolve around Me/You is a different matter. Before anyone starts tell me that I'm wrong, this is my opinion about it not a statement of facts.
Required material for anybody moving to Sweden.
glad you agree that its useful Robert!
Fint!
Ha en trevlig vecka!
tack Sina, du med!
One of the really dark parts of the Jantelag is that if you need welfare you are made to feel horrible because your entire life you've been taught that your worth is linked to how you contribute to society as a whole.
Elvis??? I know several kids with that name in Sweden. There are 2 450 men and 18 women registered with the name Elvis in Sweden. :-)
Jantelagen: "Have you'r own opinions, as long it doesn't offend anyone"
As a matter of fact Sweden does not have a " minimum wage". All wages are determined in negotiations between the "employing body" and the unions. And we have a livable wage no matter what you work with., Nobody in Sweden have to work two or three jobs to get by.
Not sure about Sweden.
But here in Norway we *sort* of have a minimum wage.
Like you we have unions negotiating salaries pr sector.
But it's illegal to offer a wage significantly below the wage agreed upon with the unions.
Even if a employee isn't unionized.
@@Luredreier Yes that´s what I mean by not having a minimum wage. An employer is not allowed to pay less than the normal rate for a specific job which never is not anywhere in the region of a minimum wage like for instance in the US.
Well, in Sweden you can pay someone 0 (nought) if you can. It's perfectly legal, but who would take such a job? So, now when the EU threatens to demand mandatory minimum wages in all EU countries the Swedish state as well as the Unions fight it. Maybe even to a point of Swexit, who knows? Some employers want it since minimum wages tend to lower wages in general and maximize profits for employers. But not even most of them want this minimum wage thing.
@@leifwilhelmsson9113 Oh, yes an employer is allowed to offer whatever he wants to his employees. Unless he enters into an agreement, however. Then he's bound by that agreement because it's a legally binding contract. There is no law against paying whatever, though - in Sweden.
Actually some do. But that's because getting full-time jobs can be hard.
I was a bartender in the 90s and at the time, table waiters were making below $3 an hour and depended greatly on tips. Yes, I did know that your child's name has to be registered. I found this out when Per explained the celebration of name day.
oh my gosh, below $3 an hour?! that's unthinkable in Europe!!
@@JustaBritAbroad They really rely on the tips, plus, if the tips are more per hour, they don't get the $3 an hour wage, only the tips. It's messed up.
The guy with long stränge name was called Albin & Elvis is not banned
oooh interesting!
Haha, so they were actually exploiting the principle that there are no rules for how to spell a name? I have a friend who sometimes points out that it's perfectly allowed to spell your name Sdgdfhgfh and pronounce it Greg. But apparently there are limits. :)
The first day sick people actually often go to work for a half day and then go home cause then you get paid
there are no minimum wages in sweden, theres collective agreements which can become one kinda
my knowledge of sweden is from Steig Larsson novels , lol
In Canada, I think a lot of us are encouraged to brag but, I only did that when, I was younger because I thought, "I had to" but, I get more internal satisfaction. Some of my friends were like, "come on post some of your awards on social media!" No thanks.
interesting to hear the "showing off" culture has rubbed off in Canada too! as you say though, it feels like as we become more comfortable within ourselves and feel less of a need to justify ourselves in thsi way?
@@JustaBritAbroad Well... not everyone because some people still feel the need to show off, I love my country of Canada and glad, I was born here but sometimes, it feels like, I was born in the wrong land lol. Who knows, though maybe, certain there are certain things in Swedish culture, I would not agree with. I still think, I have a lot of "Canadian values" but also, ones' from my heritage values that suit my personality.
Why you're not getting paid the first day you are sick is to discourage people taking advantage of the system.
You know "Monday" sickness etc.
Jantelagen is not from Sweden originally, and is in fact even more prevalent in Denmark and Norway (where it is from). With that said...
UK:
- How are you?
- Not too bad (meaning, it's bad, but I cope for the time being)
Sweden:
- How are you?
- I'm good / great / very well / fantastic / over the moon
Which is really the more "jante" of these two?
you're right Robert! its funny how its become so associated with Sweden, even though the author wasn't even from here right? haha
So if you tip someone in sweden with 25% does that mean you would tip someone 50% in any other country as well?