VENUS ATMOSPHERE - Terraforming/Colonization/Magnetosphere
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In this video, we will talk about Venus atmosphere and I'll try to explain why Venus never lost the atmosphere like Mars did.
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"Since Venus has no natural satellites then Mars is gonna be...oh boy" haha, that was funny, anton - your reactions to fails always make laughter
I've always been fascinated with Venus since I was little. Colonizing Venus would make more since with its distance and mass for sure.
Yeah, but mars is a better planet to colonize
+ocean space how would you live on Venus? It's around 400 degrees Celsius out on the surface. And we couldn't handle the pressure on Venus. So Mars is a more likely planet where we could live I think.
There are a million reasons why mars is better for now. We'd probably do the moon before Venus.
I totally agree, another thing many people underrate when thinking of colonising planets other life such as plants, if we had floating cities Venus has soo much CO2 which plants could breath, and create oxygen with, way more efficiently than the Perseverance's 'gold box' and considering the large amount available and the massive amount of sun power a colony on Venus could be so much more sustainable than Mars, and Venus is just sexy af, I mean... The colour of the atmosphere and surface... Damn
step 1 : condense atmosphere if Venus with a solar shield
step 2 : introduce reducing agents, acido-thermophiles to neutralize excess acidity and stabilize CO2 levels
step 3 : introduce plant life, possibly algae first to create desired O2/N2 ratio.
step 4 : establish a shielding mechanism for solar flares
step 5 : establish stability of liquid water, ensure uniform day/night cycle
Dude. That was an absolutely amazing presentation. You covered so many interesting things, I'll be re-watching a lot. Thanks!
+Carl Lelandt Anything attractive, in terms of profitable space industry (or useful to other space projects, activity), that could be done there, while living in the balloon or zeppelin habitats?
+Carl Lelandt If I were an upper grades science school teacher, I would definitely want to show this to the class. Would you allow the use of your youtube video for such educational purposes?
Thumbnail: *Cloud City from Empire Strikes Back*
Me: *Hears twin-pod cloud cars in the distance*
Hey Anton, what would you think of doing a miniseries of sorts about planets from star wars and what those planets would be like in real life, we're they to exist?
+AlmostSeriousGamers actually thanks for catching that. I switched to a new keyboard app recently and the autocorrect hasn't been trained properly yet.
That's actually a great idea
Valcifer1994 I
This is a wonderful programme. Lack of dramatic music, good statistic and discussion makes it really useful.
I am so glad to find it.
It's weird how Space Engine doesn't load up detailed terrain of the planets of our solar system, but loads up detailed terrain of all other planets in the universe.
It's because the terrain of other planets are randomly generated also the game has been updated with better textures for our solar system so it doesn't look that bad anymore.
It's sad Spae Engine doesn't show Jupiter and other giant planets of our Solar System with their atmospheric effect like they show in other gas giant exoplanets. Also Uranus and Neptune appear quite dim and boring. Hope it gets an update soon.
@@whatsappvids8715 this isn't aged well
Epic How To: Colonize Venus:
1) Change its orbit to the Goldilock zone;
2) Make its guts produce a natural magnetic field;
3) Send some atmosphere to other planets, leave enough atmospheric pressure;
4) Cool it down to optimal temperature;
5) Add some fresh water, but leave enough landspace in order to have islands, continents and actual living space;
6) Change the air ingredients;
7) Add life;
8) Create human colonies;
9) Enjoy your staying. :)
It's actually in the habitable zone, it be cold enough to have liquid water on the surface if it had Earth's atmosphere and rotation (and a magnetosphere to protect it of course).
(10) and a sextillion dollars.
Actually it's pretty easy lol
If we were to put a large moon into orbit of Venus could this cause it to start rotating and restart the magnetosphere? And if so is there a large enough moon (aside from ours, we kind of like it and need its services) in our solar system?
I think that the pyramids of giza were teraformming plants created by martians, the pyramids seem to correlate to Mars, Earth and Venus, the causeway of the smallest pyramid also aligns to the face of the sphinx, exactly due east, as if the builders of the sphinx were alluding to a pathway representing Venus, just a thought!
Joe Moss no
so glad i found this channel, so amazing, by the way what is your profession? or how do you know so much about planets? by reading or work?
+tokyopp I'm a math/science teacher with too much time to read :D
+Anton Petrov (WhatDaMath) hey i am glad you reply, i am loving your videos. nice profession btw :)
what books would you recommend?
good question, but I don't really have an answer to that as I usually read things online. I'm not a book person myself, sorry
+Anton Petrov (WhatDaMath) i have a question what if earth had the same atmosphere of Venus
+youomoples geometry dash then we wouldn't be watching TH-cam right now as the temperature would be about 300 degrees Celsius
having a flying base above Venus sounds like a cool idea but there's just one problem the clouds are full of sulfuric acid
redzool
We have material that are acid resisted.
Only at certain altitudes.
The sulfuric acid is several miles below where cloud cities would be based
I had a question, let's assume that you had a special suit to be able to survive a gas giant's dangers, what would happen when you reached the core? Would you just keep going and get burnt up in the core?
Pretty much I am asking what if someone did try to go to the "surface" of a gas giant.
The core is solid rock and covered in metallic liquid hydrogen.
Personaly, I think the best and quickest possible solution for colonizing would be chemically based. Something to turn that carbon into a solid and use up the free energy.
i loved your commentary. this was so interesting
Doom Shallot Are you crazy?
Anton you are yhe best youtuber because you tell people things that are just amazing and people interested in this wonderful things found each other.YOU ARE THE BEST!!!!
Actually one Venus day is equal to 225 earth days. You said its around 80 days which is not true.
Hey Anton,
I've given the topic of terraforming Venus into a truely Earth like planet a lot of thought. It made me wonder if we could build some sort of massive hemisphere covering pushing craft that cover the atmosphere and slowly nudge Venus into Earth's orbit getting Venus to the same orbital velocity as the a third of a orbit (Earth and Venus could be closer as long as they were outside each planet's Lagrange points) or behind Earth, to have constant satellite contact (the closer the less the time delay). Then establish an artificial electromagnetic field over the poles and find a way to greatly increase Venus' rotation to one full rotation every 24 hours (Nevermind it spins backwards, just call the south pole the North pole and it's the same as Earth). In your estimation would the wider orbit as well as the 'massive pushing craft' blocking the Sun's rays and heat while moving Venus back to the more distant orbit of Earth together decrease Venus' high atmospheric pressure and temperature? Maybe not far enough to make it where it needs to be to make it 'Earth like' but perhaps enough to start adding elements (luckily Venus' mass is a bit less than Earth) liquid hydrogen and/or water ice and gaseous nitrogen as asteroid mining really takes off making people unprecedented rich ($100 trillion easy). Which should make those elements greatly abundant and easily obtainable. Oh and crash a bunch of asteroids together it's mass is equal to that of Luna, Earth's moon and put it in an identical orbit around Venus just in reverse. What are your thoughts on my admittedly far-fetched ideas? Are they at all possibly plausible at being achievable?
Cool video. I tried this myself in Universe Sandbox 2. Hopefully the atmosphere simulation gets ever better in the game.
what is your specs, the gameplay looks so smooth, btw greatttt video.
How dense a planet has to be to hold liquid water outside the habitable zone (closer to the star)? Even if the oceans get to 300Cº?
You need more delta-V to achieve an orbit around Venus than around Mars, because it's more massive.
And since aerobreaking maneauvers aren't very common yet (for getting into an Orbit around a Planet), Mars is just easier to land on.
I love your videos there's so much information!!! Can you do a video about the canyon system on Venus? Seems like the Vallis Marineris canyon system on Mars is considered the longest in the Solar System but the Diana Dali Chasma canyon system is longer at 4,600 miles long. Why is this little known canyon rift valley system not considered the longest?
Instead of Mars/Venus, why he/we doesn't/don't make/ convert deserts into a habitable area, there is lots of surface there, many people can live there ( if there are the conditions).
Big cloud project :
You can make/produce a( thick harmless) giant cloud above Africa/ deserts ( covering it all), it can decreasing 30% of heat, or more .
Thermos project :
You can make giant thermos in deserts , building cities inside it , but filling its walls with air( not with vacuum),that is easier , important is to be the dark/ shadow between two walls of giant thermos,that is sufficient , is it not necessary to make vacuum inside the walls of thermos , but is sufficient be /set the dark/shadow between two walls of thermos, that is sufficient to create a cool area inside the thermos( without vacuum),( similar things ), so it is giant thermos almost( it is not exactly a thermos).
Hole project :
You can dig/ pierce make make a giant hole inside ( under of surface of deserts building many cities/neighborhoods inside it( like giant thermos inside it ) , it would be cool weather( normal temperature )there , ( under the surface)
Floating islands( project) :
You can choose/ find positions on ocean's surface which has normal temperature ( cool weather) and build floating islands there . There is a lot of surface there.
This is so interesting Anton. Thanks bro!
awsome video,loved it.thumbs up
This may be a bad question but at the start of the video you said that the temperature was around the same everywhere on the planet. But you later said it is the temperature differences that cause winds. How does this work? and how can we fix this wind problem?
If you know,you can explore Venus' Surface in Space Engine too!On the right you have options to remove and add:Orbits,CLOUDS,ATMOSPHERE etc...Hope this helped :3
Unfortunately, I believe that the reason why we're mostly considering a colonization mission on Mars over Venus, despite Venus's similarities to Earth in many regards, may be due to how much easier it would be to create additional habitats on Mars. I mean, colonies on Venus would have to either float within its dense atmosphere, and only have to protect them from chemical corrosion, as well as supply them with breathable air, or be built on the surface, where the materials that are needed to build more habitats can be more easily found and collected, and have to deal with absurdly-high temperatures and pressures in addition to needing breathable air!
Sure, Mars has lower gravity than Earth, but habitats on Mars's surface won't have to deal with high temperatures or pressures, and habitats could be built underground in order to protect their inhabitants from solar winds in lieu of a magnetosphere. The same could also be done with Lunar colonies, with the added bonus of relatively-short trips between the Moon and the Earth, albeit with even less gravity.
I personally foresee Venus as a later planet to colonize, once humanity has developed enough infrastructure and sufficient technology to make colonization of Venus more feasible, with a long-term goal of filling Venus's skies with chains of floating habitats (similar to chains of artificial floating islands here on Earth's oceans). However, by that time, I could imagine Mars having a population of at least 100 million people, and that's without trying to terraform its surface so that it closely resembles the Earth. In fact, if we focused more on paraterraforming Mars (that is, build and/or dig out entire cities full of structures with enclosed atmospheres and hydroponic farms, perhaps to the point where we cover the entire surface of Mars with a planet-spanning greenhouse, or worldhouse), we could probably house at least 2 billion people!
What is more hazardous: acidic atmosphere at the same pressure or the near vacuum of Mars?
The nice thing with Venus is that if you could build a reasonably light-weight blimp (not to difficult, everything is already super lightweight if it's being put into space) you could fill it with normal air (as in the stuff you are breathing) and it could float. Getting breathable air would actually be easier (and safer) on Venus; the atmospheres on both Mars and Venus are primarily CO2, but on Venus you wouldn't need to concentrate it because it is already at the same pressure as the atmosphere inside. While the corrosion on Venus is an issue I don't see it as being a greater issue when compared to the pressure differential on Mars.
Triumph263
Yes, yes, but it still doesn't change the fact that settlements on Venus, unlike on Mars, will not have easy access to the kinds of materials that it'll need to grow. The technology needed to survive within Venus's acidic atmosphere, or on the surface of Mars, isn't new, as can be demonstrated by our ability to explore the deepest oceans on Earth, or the vacuum of space. What I'm primarily concerned with is how these colonies are going to grow in size. Those materials to construct additional habitats need to come from somewhere, after all.
ShadowWolfTJC It's possible that much of the resources could be filtered out of the dust blown to the upper atmosphere. You could also make drones that scoop up small amounts of rock and use propellers to get off of the ground and move up to a height where it is safe to deploy a balloon; if this was done on a mountaintop at night it wouldn't even need to be that durable.
While I do admit that mining on Mars would be more convenient for scaling up, it isn't that important. By the time the colonies are growing at a rate where Venus's mining difficulties would become a bottleneck we should be mining asteroids using drones. You can just ship it to where you are using it. By the time that buying all metal becomes a bottleneck Venus could have been terraformed (at least enough to make the air and temperature less ridiculous on the surface)
You could also grow your material for construction, bamboo is lightweight, strong, and can repair itself. Imagine if you made the structure out of a genetically engineered woody-plant. All you would need is: nutrients (can be extracted from dust), water(not that much, it may be able to be made from the atmosphere with some energy), and sunlight (even the bottom gets enough sunlight reflected from the surface to power photosynthesis). This could even be designed to produce food, filter the water(contaminants are just nutrients that aren't compatible with us), and produce food. Although that's a few decades away (mostly because people are afraid of genetic engineering, unless we engineered the species before we knew how we were doing it).
We can remove the sulfuric acid with calcium oxide from asteroids. The acid wil convert to gypsum that will fall to the surface and form a very white coating. The planet will then stil reflect a lot of light if the clouds should disappear.
awesome channel I love it bro keep it up your gonna have a million in no time
+Claster Master thank you
I have a tinkering suspicion that 22:07 is the key to successful space colonization. Having a binary Venus-Mars system mitebcool, but the real deal might be a Venus-Mercury system because Mercury has a substantial magnetosphere.
Other than putting giant solar sails on Mercury to push it out toward Venus, or giant solar or nuclear powered generators to fuck with planetary angular momenta (net system momentum needs to be conserved, so increasing Mercury's omega may force the radius between Sun-Mercury to be larger to compensate), there aren't any feasible options to pair up celestial bodies.
Only after a magnetosphere is established should anyone think about redirecting comets and other orbiting icy bodies into Venus's surface, hopefully with enough force to kickstart its plate tectonics, which is the primary CO2 sink method at least on Earth. BTW 16:55 is incorrect: plate tectonics is driven by mantle and outer core processes, not surficial ocean movement. All large-scale fluid movements on Earth's surface is due to non-Euclidean, non-inertial reference frame phenomena like Coriolis and faux-centrifugal force, and sunlight that drives convection.
What if we removed the atmosphere? would that make Venus stop or mby take back its original rotation than recreating its magnetosphere . Because my opinion is that the slow opposite rotation is due to the thick and heavy atmosphere going the opposite way also with a really! High speed (it's like the the planets magma has 2 giant shells that want to go in different directions removing one shell would cause all to fall back into place starting back the spin again or stop it . (Based that the magma is iron based and in liquid form haven't done the research yet this all just popped in my head) :)) Awesome video!!!
Thanks again … I like your stuff … !
Imagine orbiting Venus and looking down at the planet, and seeing a spider web of floating cities connected by floating highways. That would be so cool!
70°C temperatures...
Mate I could not handle 43°C temperatures for a few seconds!
Imagine 70°C temperatures!
Hell no, I'd stay inside all day.
Or you know, not go to Venus, I quite like it here on Earth.
In the Philippines, the temperature can reach to about 41°C On Dry season and about 35°C on Wet season and about 25 to 22°C on Cold Season
jack so.
I love space
Thank you for this great video, Venus is so tantalising. Better than mars in so many respects. How different would the situation be if in the early system mars and venus had switched places?
like with Bespin in Star Wars below cloud city is a gas mine we can do that with Venus
Very good. I would like to see us colonize Venus as well. What do you suggest for encouraging this? I will give a speech at my Toastmasters group.
Are we really sure there's no plate tectonics on Venus now? What's with the huge vulcanic activity then?
well I didn't expect to learn so much from this video very good work! u know ur stuff! I think reason why there choose mars is cos they simply want some easy surface to land on and venus ...well like u said it does have a surface but it would be pretty damn difficult for us to land on it. all us humans wanna do it land and plant a flag. ugh... also it might the 'men are from mars, women are from venus' sexist thing.... that's why everyone hates on venus. but I dunno. just thinking outloud.
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What do you think venus would be like if it was orbiting the sun at the distance of mars and viceversa?
how can earth be between venus and the sun?@ 6:33
cause they arnt? :/
Hey Anton what's ur link to ur twitch and download the dark multiplayer mod for kerbal space program so u can do a luv stream and we all go to duna :)
+OVS Gaming how does the multiplayer mod work? I'll have to read about it
Dude, Venus was never like Earth! Maybe it's close in size, but it never had similar conditions (this also applies to Mars). This is a huge misconception promoted by the media. And also, Venus never had plate tectonics! This is the reason its atmosphere is the way it is. You are right about the Carbon Cycle.
Why not a mountain base at the same height?
remove clouds via condensation, thus forming oceans
“Oh and look at that you can see Earth” Since when was Earth in front of Venus?
woohoo!
introduce a sulfate cloud between Venus and the sun at its LeGrange point to condense it's atmosphere
watch the excellent video Upward bound colonizing venus, he talks about placing mirrors at the la grange points
Moral: Venus is technically a large ball of flames
What song did you use in the intro?
How to use space engine?
I've always liked venus alot more than any other planet.
colonizing Venus would be a great idea because the carbon could be used as an energy source.
Y no fire on Venus???
Article plate?
If you tilt earth's axis tilt to zero degrees things will go extremely wrong temperature will be 150 c
Venusian acid rain!!! wow strange
at about minute 9 ish you started stating that we could live in the atmosphere of Venus.... I say nope... the winds in there seem to be way to strong... to me it seems like these winds would grab most of the stuff floating and drag it to its poles in a matter of hrs... the poles of Venus are some of the worse places any one could be....
Can u explode planets next episode
What about the day its 8 months for a day and 50 miles of the atmosphere your enter the atmosphere that rains acid
I dont like mars but I still like venus
How deep is the carbon dioxide ocean?
How can you make a water generator? All the water would just turn to steam. If it was a natural process Venus would look like our planet now. You can either cook on Venus or freeze to death on Mars. We had better just take care of Earth.
The Russians landed on Venus and took pictures
John Johnson No shit Sherlock.
In soviet russia you dont land on venus, venus lands on you
Venus is already being teraformerteraformedteraformerteraformed, by CG fact!
Dude just press the cloud button to see Venus surface ( Space Engine )
Take most of the atmosphere from Venus and put it on Mars.
what if those balloons pop
At that altitude u have to worry about sulphuric acid ._.c.minecraft.io
No surface detail. I mean no realistic surface detail up close.
It has occurred and fragments landed aaaaaand
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Do you grammar bro?
If this colonization really happens in mine life time,i will move to venus and jump from "ballon colony" right into that co2 ocean.We not gonna colonize anything in like 2000 years,today sone people are so stupid that they think that earth is flat,and we wonder will we colonize something.
Didn't a scifi story use ♀ as a prison planet? If not, perhaps it could work 😉😁
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Am I the only one who finds Earth and Mars to be really boring and overrated? Like seriously, Mars is overrated. I like the outer planets (Jupiter to Pluto, yes, I still count Pluto as a planet.)
BlackLeopardZ Pluto is a dwarf planet. At this point it's a fact...
+Blaze Knight yes i know that 'buddy'. Heck, I probably know more than you about astronomy.
Even though Pluto is a dwarf _planet_ , it's still a planet, just not the kind you would expect.
:P
no way can we ever be able to terraform venus. It is a sterial planet and heat have made it impossible for teraforming
Evidence?
hi there
+Roger Duncan That's one of the reasons why we would want to do some terraforming. -Make it more hospitable for robotic activity, for possible space industry mining(?). In a sense, this terraform challenge is somewhat the reverse of a Mars terraform project. So these projects would be great challenges, for developing terraform "skills."
+Roger Duncan you are saying it is impossible to turn carbon dioxide into carbon and oxygen?
I wish there was a way
Venus's surface isn't dark.
It's 10,000 lux IIRC, which is much brighter than an overcast day.
2nd ;P
I live at .83 atm pressure, 1,515 meters high. Apparently Venus's sea level would be perfect for me! Now only if I could wait a few hundred years....
cryo sleep?
pfft just hack into mars one and change its trajectory
Please don't forget to write temperature with pressure I live at 1.12 atm and 45 degrees Celsius.
If they would terraform Venus it would most likely have an atmospheric pressure. Of 3-6 :l
OVS Gaming Idiot, do you get the concept of terraforming? If we terraformed Venus we would change the atmosphere to fit our needs...which means a pressure the same as or close to 1 atmosphere of pressure...SMH
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