@@AngiesCousin my child. By power and authority of the unholy transgender powers which I hold. I write this message upon your feed and ordain you to the office of transgender demon. I curse you that you will... Use your powers for evil. That you will... Lead others unto Satan. That you will... Use your powers in service of outer darkness. Brother/sister/they cousin I curse you that you will... Remember the Sabbath day... To keep it unholy. That you will... Remember to not ever pay tithing again. All these curses and more that our unholy brother Lucifer has in store I seal upon you and do so in the degraded name Beelzebub menA.
Have you guys read "I'm glad my mom died? " She talks about OCD and how she thought it was the holy ghost and a bunch of other heavy stuff but it's also really good
Oh my GOSH I would get so obsessed over the spirit is telling me to do this Wait telling me to do this other thing oh never mind this is actually what I'm supposed to do about the smallest and biggest decisions. It was kind of tiring.
My wife is bi-sexual, but I’ve come to the conclusion that I am straight. It was a deeply disappointing revelation. But I’ll be damned if Tanner isn’t a good looking human with and without facial hair.
51:35 with Sam's response to the Original Sin and being deserving of Hell comment, "but He made you guys, He made that" and Tanner applying the Kevin test, really resonated. What made me realize how inherently evil the concept of Original Sin is, was when Creationist Ken Ham outright said, "you have committed high treason against the God of the Universe by being born." And I was like, "That's horr-oh...that's actually accurate to Christianity isn't it? The people who hate abortion because the unborn are innocent, are condemning them to the fires of Hell upon birth, for the crime of being born, if we take the Bible at face value on Original Sin. That's f***ing evil."
First time hearing about the Kevin test, it’s brilliant. I was raised in a cult (ironically a Buddhist one) and the cult’s “king” fails the Kevin test harddd.
Everytime in the lgbt community that I have seen someone say they’ve realized they were something different (such as non binary instead of trans or even cis instead of trans, or a lesbian instead of bi) it’s always been a welcoming and encouraging community. And not like trying to force you into a box or force u to decide who u identify as.
You can get a little foam cap thingy that partially mutes the trumpet but not fully and those are perfect for when you don't want to annoy neighbors with your horn practice.
As for the "one day I had dysphoria, and then I didn't" thing, in my experience as a trans person, dysphoria is very psychological. I went through a period of time where it appeared to me that my ""brief stint"" with gender dysphoria went away as I went to high school (and, conveniently, when I would be expected to start dating and performing femininity more than I had as a child.) I doubled down on the gender roles because I subconsciously thought that I couldn't live a full life if not, and convinced myself veyr believably that my dysphoria was gone. Eventually, as I moved out of my hometown and met other trans people I learned that no, the dysphoria did not go away- I was just repressing those feelings because they weren't safe. I thankfully was never taught by my religion that being queer was wrong, so I can only imagine how difficult this denial must be for people who regularly get messages about being satanic, not to mention familial rejection and all of that. Sure, some people make mistakes and detransition because they don't feel the need to anymore, or because they've grown in their self image, and I think it's very believable that some of these people may genuinely feel like their dysphoria has gone away, but in my experience, it'll rear its ugly head again in a few years unless they face it.
So I'm talking to some Mormon missionaries on a weekly basis, and my neighbor's cat comes over sometimes. His name is Kevin. He's huge and majestic and fluffy. Anyway the Kevin test hit different for me
@@SeekerGoldstone I believe it was Tanner, something to the effect of: if you wanna evaluate if what God is telling you to do is crazy, just replace "God" with "Kevin". If Kevin sounds crazy, god's probably crazy too.
Super minor point here but I encourage you to rethink your use of the term judeochristian. It’s a term that was invented to describe Jewish converts to Christianity and maintained largely as a political tool in the United States to lump both groups together. It is especially popular today among conservative Christians who fetishize Judaism. Judaism and Christianity are significantly different religions in philosophy and practice and while not every Jewish person dislikes the term, and indeed it is a term used by some (largely conservative) members of our population, overall it is one that many many Jewish people take issue with.
@@ZelphOntheShelf oh it’s okay! It really is in wide usage because of its political meaning so I completely understand. While I balk at the idea of some sort of allegiance politically between the two groups (which has consistently been a wildly different voting block for nearly 100 years), the religious grouping is really where the usage is aligned with a lot of bad feelings re attempts to convert and absorb us.
@@queennsydney Two Powers in Heaven Israelite theology is the basis of Christianity: Rabbinic Judaism rejected their own theology in the 2nd century AD. See: Two Powers in Heaven by Alan Segal a former Professor of Rabbinics at Brandies University in New York.
I hate the term Judeo-Christian! Especially from the likes of Prager of Prager U. Mostly I hear it from fundamentalists who dream of The End Of The World and look forward to burning people they dislike more than to reaching Heaven themselves, and *love* Israel and *hate* Jews and believe Israel will be destroyed in Armageddon ... and Dennis Prager is a Jew (but $$$ talks).
Book gods are for enslaving the populations to those who deem themselves superior hierarchy authority elites psychos for generations. OBEY !! The likes of Romans 13 is why ALL book gods exist. OBEY!! Master manipulators take..took bits and pieces of REAL Truths and entwine(d) them within a garage dump of enslaving twisted demented demeaning degrading demoralizing sin hunting fault finding crucifying emotional traumatizing ssssstrrreeesss inducing fear mongering judgmental hypocritical..racist..shaming blaming..separating dividing splintering..warmongering killing murdering blood guts gore..hypocritical prejudice ..propaganda and lies.
I quite enjoy having a parasocial relationship with Jesus Christ but now you've got me thinking about what his favourite colour would be. If my faith is gonna fall apart it's gonna be because of Jesus's favourite outfit to wear on a night out.
I just discovered you guys a couple days ago and I've binged as many videos as possible since then. You keep blowing my mind with your insights on things. I was raised SUPER STRICT Mormon (hardcore vulnerable narcissist father to boot) Then I left in 2000 when I was 23. It is so hard to break free from the voodoo and relentless reactivation attempts. Takes many, many years. In fact, after watching your stuff, I realise I am to this day, still affected. Getting to see again the videos and hear talks and articles that were absolutely drummed into me as a child and youth is disturbing. My 4 brothers and I were all told it was better we died before having sex before marriage. By our own parents 😶 What that actual frankincense and myrrh??? 🤯 Oh lordy, so many memories.... So much ridiculous advice.... So much unnecessary HARM done.... Thanks for all your efforts! You're so entertaining as well as informative. If you ever find yourself in town, I would love to have you round for a bbq, some bevvies, a few cones and a whole lot of laughing. Cheers from Australia 🇦🇺 ✌️😃
The difficulty with not viewing the world through a set of preconceived notions is that that's exactly how are brains are set up to function, especially when most people live in communities that share a similar set of preconceptions. Our brains are dealing with so much information about the world around us that it's impossible to process it without categorisation and therefore simplification. That's why the metaphor of a spectrum can be so useful - it allows our brains to categorise into lots of smaller boxes instead of just two extremes. Idk, just rambling, but I think it's important to bear this in mind so we don't just replace one set of preconceptions with another, both equally simplistic if not equally harmful.
I'm a Christian and I'm such a fan of your channel! I love channels that take a critical look at Christianity and talk about some of the dangers of organized religion as well as the historical context of the Bible. My religious paradigm is constantly shifting as I learn more and I find that it's so much healthier than trying to fight new information that doesn't fit into your preexisting worldview. Much love!!
Just wanted to say thank you. My deconstructing wouldn't be the same without you both. I really enjoyed that you spoke on how children try to understand themselves in the world as it is, and adults try to will the world into how they are. A lot of who I was in fundamentalism, isn't worth keeping. The core of who I am was always there, but wrapped around a mold of who I was taught to be. I feel a lot a bit damaged. But it's genuinely freeing to try new things and look at the world with new eyes.
I bought a book last year, "Call Sign Kluso", by Rick Tollini. Tollini is a retired USAF fighter pilot, he was one of the best, and shot down an Iraqi MiG-25 during Operation Desert Storm. Anyway, his career did not finish up in a great way, and then Tollini decided to honor a commitment he made to his wife, a Japanese woman, and studied Buddhism. Tollini found peace with himself and with his actions through Buddhism. As I told my friend, I'm not interested in being Buddhist, but seeing this stone killer fighter pilot learn empathy and finding peace through it is inspiring and about the last thing I expected to find in this book.
I've been playing trumpet (technically cornet but same thing kinda) since I was in high school, so like 2012-ish. Not professionally but I've been in plenty of ensembles. The "spit" isn't so much spit as it is condensation. When you're done playing, just get an old rag and ball it up on the spit valve, open the valve and face the trumpet so the valve is the lowest point on that part of tubing, and just blow all that junk out! The spit valve on the third button slide won't need to be cleaned out as often as the other! And now, you've got yourself a designated "spit" rag lol keep practicing, Sam!! Excited for you!!
Speaking to Sam talking about her pepperspray: I have ptsd from a home invasion. Something fascinating ptsd has taught me, is that when people with ptsd do hypervigilant things to avoid feeling unsafe (like for me double checking my windows to make sure they’re locked), they’re actually reinforcing the belief that something bad will happen again. So while I still do many of those things, I’m slowly training myself to stop reinforcing the belief that someone will attack me. Not sure if any of that made sense. And not saying that taking precautions to protect yourself is bad in any way. Just thinks it’s fascinating how our brains work.
i love your videos so much hahah. you guys scratch the itch of being able to hear the things i want to hear talked about all while making it funny and friendly and i love it
okay but the whole “you asking if we have souls is proof you have one” is the exact logic carlisle uses in twilight to convince edward that he has a soul
That's a good point that you made Tanner, about not having a relationship with god or christ just because you believe they're your brother or father or whatever. Even if they existed, we DON"T know anything about them. It's more of a parasocial relationship than anything else.
You know what needs to make a comeback? 🌞Tanner's long hair. What if Zelph did a "2023: One Second from Every Day" video, but it's just Tanner's hair growing back? 🤣 The best metric for measuring time!!
We need to get Kevin into some parenting therapy! 😂 He could learn a thing or two about boundaries and managing his ABSURD expectations! Zelph should adopt Kevin's kid, poor thing.
“Was just looking for masculine traits in girls” yeah that’s just called liking mascs, butches, and studs. That’s still liking girls. Aw these poor people ah! Embrace the gay!
I can personally attest to manifesting your own dreams, because after binging your content last night, I had a dream that I went grocery shopping fully naked, but when I looked down after shopping for a bit I was wearing mormon garments. (I've never been mormon 😂). Thank you for sharing your stories and yourselves with us! You're very articulate, and both have such wonderful, loving energy. 💚
In (Catholic) prep school back in the 90s, we read a book by an Asian American author that described a “sitting ghost”. Though I didn’t know it at the time, the author was describing a sleep paralysis episode. Apparently in her culture, it was seen as a ghost that sat on your chest holding you down. When I was 14, I got my wisdom teeth out. That night, I had a sleep paralysis episode for the first time. When it stopped, I ran up to my parents bedroom, jumped into bed with them, and described what had happened, and told them that I felt a demon or evil ghost in my room. I had never heard of sleep paralysis before, only the “sitting ghost“. Because of Catholic indoctrination, I was absolutely terrified of demons. THANK GOODNESS I had down to earth, intelligent parents who managed to convince me that it wasn’t a ghost or demon, I was just on heavy pain medication for the first time in my life and it was messing with my brain. It calmed me down, but I didn’t FULLY believe it wasn’t a demon until years later when I learned about sleep paralysis and night terrors. I often think about this, and how absolutely grateful I am to my parents… Had they been hard-core Catholics they probably would’ve believed it was a demon and God knows what that would’ve done to my psyche! Instead, they gave me a perfect example of how your brain can trick you. This lesson was one of the most valuable to my deconstruction.
I had the idea to 'create' a 'god' that I can use for positive affirmation, similar to how Sam uses tarot. It sounds fun. Their name won't be Kevin tho 😂
there's that verse about infidelity and i've seen a clip of those megachurch pastors commenting how 'you can't interpret it literally!' basically dismissing it? that supposed anti gay verse is taken literally without any thought. interesting lmao
Around 49:55 I think there was validity to the comment about the fact that you can question if you have a soul is evidence that you do have a soul. I see that as very similar to “I think, therefore I am.” It definitely depends on your definition of a soul though! (Edit: timestamp)
yeah definitely depends on the definition of soul. assuming in the premise what you hope to confirm in the conclusion would be fallacious reasoning, e.g. the assumption that a being has to have an unobservable and untestable spirit that exists independent of the body in order to think about it’s own nature.
mary kate and ashley have a fashion brand. My cousin used to work for them and when he went missing many of the employees helped with trying to find my cousin.
When I first saw y’all, I imagined you are married and was thrilled with the egalitarianism! I listen even harder now because I don’t always understand every word. Love you both!!
That first one.... like yes we need to listen to de-transitions and make then feel safe and comfortable.... but, like Sam says, they censort themselves and just call it "sin," it just sounds like another Christan talking about "swearing in front of mom." At best this person doesn't want to talk about their experiences and just want to bere their witness, at worst .... I think this person could be lying or misunderstandings what it to be trans. These people might be genderfluid/non binary/etc. They're identity could be fluctuating. I wonder how far they got into their "transition." I doubt these guys got hormones, and surgeries. Maybe they were just experimenting with their identity. They didn't give any details, and since they are so adamant against it these details would help their argument a lot. 🤷♀️ funny how trans people need to do everything to justify their existence and yet any ex LGBT person can be 0 detail and be "proof this is a phase."
I listened to it again, and I feel like I was too harsh.... but I stand by what I said. This person is feeling tremendous amount of guilt and shame, and probably dont feel like they fit in the role AFABs are forced into in church environments. They're feelings of being trans or "not a woman" are valid, and should be addressed! Cis or not, people should feel comfortably in their gender. I really do hope this point finds a space in the Christan community that will help them feel safe, accepted, and loved for who they are. No pressure on gender roles, no feelings of being less than... it's sad how that is not asking for much, and yet I think it would be difficult to find. (Hah they say LGBT people care about gender and junk too much. Meanwhile junk/gender dictates what roles people can/cant do in churches all over the world)
A lot of Christians seem to echo the gnostic belief that God exists as an all-powerful, evil being who created us to praise him and feed his ego (For those curious, look up "Demiurge")
As a Christian I have ALWAYS struggled with the idea of hell. The older I get though the more I believe in just a higher being. Wether that's the god I was taught about growing up or another god or entity, I'm not sure. I just struggle with the idea that this being is "so loving" yet his followers are so hateful. How does that even work?
I also have always been deeply troubled by the idea of Hell! But recently I have come across videos on youtube and podcast that talks about different views of hell and different interpretations of what the Bible actually says! And if those are correct, most Christians may have a completely wrong view of hell! That it isn't actually an eternal place. Here is the most recent video I have watched about this subject in case you are curious: th-cam.com/video/u4_kCteLMFk/w-d-xo.html
I think the Olsen twins do fashion design now? Using my Google skills, they've had a few lines here and there and appeared at the last fashion week, apparently. Also, Mary-Kate was married to a much older French banker (half-bro of former French president, Nicolas Sarkozy) for a few years until 2021-LOL, yikes!-and Ashley married last year to a more appropriately-aged normie-looking artist. Honestly, considering how exploited and overexposed they were as kids and younger adults, I'm glad they get to have more quiet lives now. I would rather be friendless than have a "friend" trying to shove their religion down my throat. If you've gone 30 years without feeling that "absence" then why create one instead of finding something truly fulfilling? Moreover, I had an acquaintance in my teens who wanted a sex dream starring Britney Spears so badly, he thought of nothing but her for, like, three days. Surprise! He dreamt about her. I can't remember if the sex part happened or not, but there she was!
I've never understood how the theology of Satan even squares with a loving, omniscient, omnipresent, monotheistic God. Like, the idea that Satan is just as powerful force as God is not monotheism. I never bought the argument that we needed Satan to prove worthiness for heaven. Like....this omniscient God could do whatever he wants.
As a former Christian, let me tell you. For some bizarre stupid reason, most churches place way more emphasis on the teachings of Paul than the teachings of Jesus.
42:33 This reminds me so much of this comment I saw on a video of a brilliant child asking questions of Neil deGrasse Tyson- the comment by @kevjd24 said: “This reminded me of when I introduced my students to the Trolley Problem. The kids (ages 10-12) kept offering workarounds. They wanted to attempt to stop it manually, crash cars into the trolley, knock it off the tracks, etc. They simply refused to accept the outcome, even though they understood the guidelines. It was remarkable, watching them relentlessly attempt creative solutions outside the guidelines of the thought experiment. When I introduced this to a number of adults who had not heard of it, they all gave straight forward answers of sacrifice with no thoughts to a workaround. Even though the adults followed the guidelines, it was chilling to see how willing they were to sacrifice a life after watching a group of kids endlessly search for a way, even though it appeared to be hopeless.
that first story made me feel so sick and upset :( i think maybe because i could see an alternate version of myself in them. when i came out as trans i thought my catholic school & family responded fine, but looking back now i can see they were doing the bare minimum and were quietly trying to detransition me. i was extremely stubborn though so i made it through, but i know that if i had been more scared i would end up like them. i hope they wake up to themselves when they're ready.
For the trumpet - it's actually not spit, it's condensation. The water vapor you breathe out condenses in the cold metal tubes and that's what comes out of the so-called "spit valve" (I play trumpet and yes, I call it the spit valve too, but I had a friend who played tuba professionally and he would get annoyed with me for calling it that because it's not spit)
You’ll notice that in every instance, where someone is “ex gay” or “ex trans”, it’s always some external force that’s “to blame” for their sinful thoughts and feelings.
as an adult learner of trumpet, i have some advice: practice regularly, but for short predictable periods around midday. also maybe get a practice mute.
Iirc the original languages of the Bible were a mixture of Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic - kinda mixed up since different books came from different places and time periods
I do appreciate the perspective you both offer, but you do seem to have an understanding of Christian traditions that’s limited to more conservative fundamentalist beliefs. Thats totally understandable given both of your personal stories, but there’s a lot of other corners of Christianity with very different teachings. You seem to really paint it all with broad brushes that aren’t necessarily always productive. Definitely these Reddit posts are from more conservative spaces, because I am a born and raised Christian who does not believe in Hell, nor was I ever taught to believe in it. Would recommend checking out the writings of Nadia Bolz Webber or the TH-cam channel of God is Grey if you wanted to explore more progressive/leftist Christian traditions
As a trans woman I can confirm. I only did it for the demon powers.
Only reason to do anything
I’m also a trans person and I know that people think you’re joking but I know better
Demon powers sound way more fun than Jesus powers.
Awwwww, I want demon powers.
@@AngiesCousin my child. By power and authority of the unholy transgender powers which I hold. I write this message upon your feed and ordain you to the office of transgender demon. I curse you that you will... Use your powers for evil. That you will... Lead others unto Satan. That you will... Use your powers in service of outer darkness. Brother/sister/they cousin I curse you that you will... Remember the Sabbath day... To keep it unholy. That you will... Remember to not ever pay tithing again. All these curses and more that our unholy brother Lucifer has in store I seal upon you and do so in the degraded name Beelzebub menA.
Have you guys read "I'm glad my mom died? " She talks about OCD and how she thought it was the holy ghost and a bunch of other heavy stuff but it's also really good
Yes!!! Such an incredible book
I loved that book!
Oh my golly I also thought a lot of my ocd was the Holy Ghost, not the harm intrusive thoughts ofc lol
Oh my GOSH I would get so obsessed over the spirit is telling me to do this Wait telling me to do this other thing oh never mind this is actually what I'm supposed to do about the smallest and biggest decisions. It was kind of tiring.
Tanner is giving 2000s boy band and I’m here for that.
My wife is bi-sexual, but I’ve come to the conclusion that I am straight. It was a deeply disappointing revelation.
But I’ll be damned if Tanner isn’t a good looking human with and without facial hair.
Open Grindr when you’re around someone who claims to be an ‘ex-gay’ and you’ll quickly discover how ‘straight’ they are…
51:35 with Sam's response to the Original Sin and being deserving of Hell comment, "but He made you guys, He made that" and Tanner applying the Kevin test, really resonated. What made me realize how inherently evil the concept of Original Sin is, was when Creationist Ken Ham outright said, "you have committed high treason against the God of the Universe by being born." And I was like, "That's horr-oh...that's actually accurate to Christianity isn't it? The people who hate abortion because the unborn are innocent, are condemning them to the fires of Hell upon birth, for the crime of being born, if we take the Bible at face value on Original Sin. That's f***ing evil."
*Only through and by Kevin are we all saved...from Kevin.* this episode was perfection.
I would put this bumper sticker on my car
@@perpetually_empty_bucket Me too!
I’ve always wanted to have a dog named Kevin. Now I really have to.
@@AChickandaDuck you really do. Kevin requires a dog named Kevin. 😅
And that’s on kevin
First time hearing about the Kevin test, it’s brilliant. I was raised in a cult (ironically a Buddhist one) and the cult’s “king” fails the Kevin test harddd.
I'm 32 minutes in and I still don't know what it is but I'm done watching.
Can you just tell me what it is?
Tuba player here. Best hint I got as a beginner was to say purple into the mouth piece. That's my Word for today.
Everytime in the lgbt community that I have seen someone say they’ve realized they were something different (such as non binary instead of trans or even cis instead of trans, or a lesbian instead of bi) it’s always been a welcoming and encouraging community. And not like trying to force you into a box or force u to decide who u identify as.
You can get a little foam cap thingy that partially mutes the trumpet but not fully and those are perfect for when you don't want to annoy neighbors with your horn practice.
As for the "one day I had dysphoria, and then I didn't" thing, in my experience as a trans person, dysphoria is very psychological. I went through a period of time where it appeared to me that my ""brief stint"" with gender dysphoria went away as I went to high school (and, conveniently, when I would be expected to start dating and performing femininity more than I had as a child.) I doubled down on the gender roles because I subconsciously thought that I couldn't live a full life if not, and convinced myself veyr believably that my dysphoria was gone. Eventually, as I moved out of my hometown and met other trans people I learned that no, the dysphoria did not go away- I was just repressing those feelings because they weren't safe. I thankfully was never taught by my religion that being queer was wrong, so I can only imagine how difficult this denial must be for people who regularly get messages about being satanic, not to mention familial rejection and all of that. Sure, some people make mistakes and detransition because they don't feel the need to anymore, or because they've grown in their self image, and I think it's very believable that some of these people may genuinely feel like their dysphoria has gone away, but in my experience, it'll rear its ugly head again in a few years unless they face it.
So I'm talking to some Mormon missionaries on a weekly basis, and my neighbor's cat comes over sometimes. His name is Kevin. He's huge and majestic and fluffy. Anyway the Kevin test hit different for me
😂
What is the Kevin test?
@@SeekerGoldstone I believe it was Tanner, something to the effect of: if you wanna evaluate if what God is telling you to do is crazy, just replace "God" with "Kevin". If Kevin sounds crazy, god's probably crazy too.
Lots of great quoteables in here, but my hands-down favorite was ‘I feel full of twink-like passion and fury’.
I played trumpet in junior high band. Mostly, I learned to appreciate how much work real musicians and vocalists put in to make the music I enjoy.
Super minor point here but I encourage you to rethink your use of the term judeochristian. It’s a term that was invented to describe Jewish converts to Christianity and maintained largely as a political tool in the United States to lump both groups together. It is especially popular today among conservative Christians who fetishize Judaism. Judaism and Christianity are significantly different religions in philosophy and practice and while not every Jewish person dislikes the term, and indeed it is a term used by some (largely conservative) members of our population, overall it is one that many many Jewish people take issue with.
Ah sorry! It’s one of those terms I just kinda picked up but don’t know much about 🙈 good to know!
@@ZelphOntheShelf oh it’s okay! It really is in wide usage because of its political meaning so I completely understand. While I balk at the idea of some sort of allegiance politically between the two groups (which has consistently been a wildly different voting block for nearly 100 years), the religious grouping is really where the usage is aligned with a lot of bad feelings re attempts to convert and absorb us.
@@queennsydney Two Powers in Heaven Israelite theology is the basis of Christianity: Rabbinic Judaism rejected their own theology in the 2nd century AD.
See: Two Powers in Heaven by Alan Segal a former Professor of Rabbinics at Brandies University in New York.
I hate the term Judeo-Christian! Especially from the likes of Prager of Prager U. Mostly I hear it from fundamentalists who dream of The End Of The World and look forward to burning people they dislike more than to reaching Heaven themselves, and *love* Israel and *hate* Jews and believe Israel will be destroyed in Armageddon ... and Dennis Prager is a Jew (but $$$ talks).
Book gods are for enslaving the populations to those who deem themselves superior hierarchy authority elites psychos for generations. OBEY !! The likes of Romans 13 is why ALL book gods exist. OBEY!!
Master manipulators take..took bits and pieces of REAL Truths and entwine(d) them within a garage dump of enslaving twisted demented demeaning degrading demoralizing sin hunting fault finding crucifying emotional traumatizing ssssstrrreeesss inducing fear mongering judgmental hypocritical..racist..shaming blaming..separating dividing splintering..warmongering killing murdering blood guts gore..hypocritical prejudice ..propaganda and lies.
I quite enjoy having a parasocial relationship with Jesus Christ but now you've got me thinking about what his favourite colour would be. If my faith is gonna fall apart it's gonna be because of Jesus's favourite outfit to wear on a night out.
😂😂😂
I just discovered you guys a couple days ago and I've binged as many videos as possible since then. You keep blowing my mind with your insights on things. I was raised SUPER STRICT Mormon (hardcore vulnerable narcissist father to boot) Then I left in 2000 when I was 23. It is so hard to break free from the voodoo and relentless reactivation attempts. Takes many, many years. In fact, after watching your stuff, I realise I am to this day, still affected. Getting to see again the videos and hear talks and articles that were absolutely drummed into me as a child and youth is disturbing. My 4 brothers and I were all told it was better we died before having sex before marriage. By our own parents 😶 What that actual frankincense and myrrh??? 🤯 Oh lordy, so many memories.... So much ridiculous advice.... So much unnecessary HARM done....
Thanks for all your efforts! You're so entertaining as well as informative. If you ever find yourself in town, I would love to have you round for a bbq, some bevvies, a few cones and a whole lot of laughing. Cheers from Australia 🇦🇺 ✌️😃
Look into the new David Archuleta song “Hell Together.”
Okay, I'm LOVING the haircut. Excited to join the Church of Kevin.
The difficulty with not viewing the world through a set of preconceived notions is that that's exactly how are brains are set up to function, especially when most people live in communities that share a similar set of preconceptions. Our brains are dealing with so much information about the world around us that it's impossible to process it without categorisation and therefore simplification. That's why the metaphor of a spectrum can be so useful - it allows our brains to categorise into lots of smaller boxes instead of just two extremes. Idk, just rambling, but I think it's important to bear this in mind so we don't just replace one set of preconceptions with another, both equally simplistic if not equally harmful.
God's unconditional love, backed by 66 tomes of terms and conditions for 2000 years.
"But I always wanted to have a husband and kids." Non-binary AFAB pan person here, I have a husband and daughter. You don't have to be cis-het.
I'm a Christian and I'm such a fan of your channel! I love channels that take a critical look at Christianity and talk about some of the dangers of organized religion as well as the historical context of the Bible. My religious paradigm is constantly shifting as I learn more and I find that it's so much healthier than trying to fight new information that doesn't fit into your preexisting worldview. Much love!!
YAY! So glad you’re here! 🥰
Just wanted to say thank you. My deconstructing wouldn't be the same without you both.
I really enjoyed that you spoke on how children try to understand themselves in the world as it is, and adults try to will the world into how they are.
A lot of who I was in fundamentalism, isn't worth keeping. The core of who I am was always there, but wrapped around a mold of who I was taught to be.
I feel a lot a bit damaged. But it's genuinely freeing to try new things and look at the world with new eyes.
I’m not sure if we are talking about the Dow Jones or Daoism at 3:58, the fact it could be either is why I love ZOTS sm ❤
daoism of course! haha
I bought a book last year, "Call Sign Kluso", by Rick Tollini. Tollini is a retired USAF fighter pilot, he was one of the best, and shot down an Iraqi MiG-25 during Operation Desert Storm. Anyway, his career did not finish up in a great way, and then Tollini decided to honor a commitment he made to his wife, a Japanese woman, and studied Buddhism.
Tollini found peace with himself and with his actions through Buddhism. As I told my friend, I'm not interested in being Buddhist, but seeing this stone killer fighter pilot learn empathy and finding peace through it is inspiring and about the last thing I expected to find in this book.
I am a simple person. I see a new Zelph videos I click like.
PS: still adapting to Tanner with short hair again, but it looks great!
okay i can’t stop looking at Tanner’s necklace - am i imagining it or does it look like a pair of fingernail clippers?? i’m obsessed 😅
It is that haha
@@ZelphOntheShelf I love ittt haha can i ask where it’s from??
@@lydiadesiree2 i literally just put a necklace chain through some nail clippers 😂
@@ZelphOntheShelf AHAHAHA I didn’t want to assume but i wondered 😂 I will absolutely be doing this myself 😌🫶🏼
@@lydiadesiree2 hahaha do ittttt
I've been playing trumpet (technically cornet but same thing kinda) since I was in high school, so like 2012-ish. Not professionally but I've been in plenty of ensembles. The "spit" isn't so much spit as it is condensation. When you're done playing, just get an old rag and ball it up on the spit valve, open the valve and face the trumpet so the valve is the lowest point on that part of tubing, and just blow all that junk out! The spit valve on the third button slide won't need to be cleaned out as often as the other! And now, you've got yourself a designated "spit" rag lol keep practicing, Sam!! Excited for you!!
Speaking to Sam talking about her pepperspray:
I have ptsd from a home invasion. Something fascinating ptsd has taught me, is that when people with ptsd do hypervigilant things to avoid feeling unsafe (like for me double checking my windows to make sure they’re locked), they’re actually reinforcing the belief that something bad will happen again.
So while I still do many of those things, I’m slowly training myself to stop reinforcing the belief that someone will attack me.
Not sure if any of that made sense. And not saying that taking precautions to protect yourself is bad in any way. Just thinks it’s fascinating how our brains work.
i love your videos so much hahah. you guys scratch the itch of being able to hear the things i want to hear talked about all while making it funny and friendly and i love it
The Kevin test 😆 I love it, never heard that before and am totally gonna use it.
What is it?
Tanner has so much energy in this video it made me want a nap lol
okay but the whole “you asking if we have souls is proof you have one” is the exact logic carlisle uses in twilight to convince edward that he has a soul
That's a good point that you made Tanner, about not having a relationship with god or christ just because you believe they're your brother or father or whatever. Even if they existed, we DON"T know anything about them. It's more of a parasocial relationship than anything else.
Rockin' the haircut, even if the barber didn't follow your instruction.
Thank Kevin for this video!
Could you guys do a video about the myths and origins of hell? You have mentioned small things about it but I’d love to hear your thoughts!
I love the "Kevin test"!
Make it a t-shirt 👕
another insightful, compassionate video. thank you guys!
also, yes. the spit valve. :(
All hail the one true Kevin 🙏
You know what needs to make a comeback? 🌞Tanner's long hair. What if Zelph did a "2023: One Second from Every Day" video, but it's just Tanner's hair growing back? 🤣 The best metric for measuring time!!
I learned about the beef between Paul and Peter from the Toad The Wet Sprocket song “Fly From Heaven.” ‘90s atheist alternative music FTW 😂
Whoops, actually it’s about James and Paul. But whatever, everyone hated Paul, he was a dick
Tanner’s hair and whole look here is giving me “token white guy in a K-pop group”
my dream lololol
how do y'all always look so amazing
omg thank you haha :)
We need to get Kevin into some parenting therapy! 😂 He could learn a thing or two about boundaries and managing his ABSURD expectations! Zelph should adopt Kevin's kid, poor thing.
What is it?
Loved this video! Tanner I so appreciate your rants because I feel them so deeply! 😂 You guys work together so well!
“Was just looking for masculine traits in girls” yeah that’s just called liking mascs, butches, and studs. That’s still liking girls.
Aw these poor people ah! Embrace the gay!
The trumpet! Lololo you guys.
Ummm... I look forward to hearing you grow your skills!
I can personally attest to manifesting your own dreams, because after binging your content last night, I had a dream that I went grocery shopping fully naked, but when I looked down after shopping for a bit I was wearing mormon garments. (I've never been mormon 😂).
Thank you for sharing your stories and yourselves with us! You're very articulate, and both have such wonderful, loving energy. 💚
Hahaha spooky Mormon hell dream without even being Mormon! ✨
listen!!!! the intro could only make me ~feel so good~ mr conner mangione ;)
In (Catholic) prep school back in the 90s, we read a book by an Asian American author that described a “sitting ghost”. Though I didn’t know it at the time, the author was describing a sleep paralysis episode. Apparently in her culture, it was seen as a ghost that sat on your chest holding you down. When I was 14, I got my wisdom teeth out. That night, I had a sleep paralysis episode for the first time. When it stopped, I ran up to my parents bedroom, jumped into bed with them, and described what had happened, and told them that I felt a demon or evil ghost in my room. I had never heard of sleep paralysis before, only the “sitting ghost“. Because of Catholic indoctrination, I was absolutely terrified of demons. THANK GOODNESS I had down to earth, intelligent parents who managed to convince me that it wasn’t a ghost or demon, I was just on heavy pain medication for the first time in my life and it was messing with my brain. It calmed me down, but I didn’t FULLY believe it wasn’t a demon until years later when I learned about sleep paralysis and night terrors. I often think about this, and how absolutely grateful I am to my parents… Had they been hard-core Catholics they probably would’ve believed it was a demon and God knows what that would’ve done to my psyche! Instead, they gave me a perfect example of how your brain can trick you. This lesson was one of the most valuable to my deconstruction.
Tanner's new haircut was definitely something I noticed! Haha looks good and appreciated the video.
I had the idea to 'create' a 'god' that I can use for positive affirmation, similar to how Sam uses tarot. It sounds fun. Their name won't be Kevin tho 😂
i used to do math before bed. Then I would dream about math problems all night.
This happened to me a lot in college. Sometimes when I was having a hard time solving it, by the morning I would have figured it out.
Excellent video!
Love hearing new ideas and thoughts from Buddhism. 🌷
there's that verse about infidelity and i've seen a clip of those megachurch pastors commenting how 'you can't interpret it literally!' basically dismissing it? that supposed anti gay verse is taken literally without any thought. interesting lmao
Around 49:55 I think there was validity to the comment about the fact that you can question if you have a soul is evidence that you do have a soul. I see that as very similar to “I think, therefore I am.” It definitely depends on your definition of a soul though!
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yeah definitely depends on the definition of soul. assuming in the premise what you hope to confirm in the conclusion would be fallacious reasoning, e.g. the assumption that a being has to have an unobservable and untestable spirit that exists independent of the body in order to think about it’s own nature.
mary kate and ashley have a fashion brand. My cousin used to work for them and when he went missing many of the employees helped with trying to find my cousin.
The Kevin test is so good
When I first saw y’all, I imagined you are married and was thrilled with the egalitarianism! I listen even harder now because I don’t always understand every word. Love you both!!
This was a fantastic discussion overall
Tanner's giggle is rapidly becoming my favourite aspect of this excellent channel ... what an intelligent, critically thinking cutie 😂❤
The first ten seconds are actual footage of my two remaining brain cells
All I can think of with all the talk about Kevin is Kevin the minion "Keviiiiiiin!" 😂
This is SO SO GOOD. Delicious deconstruction a la Kevin *chefs kiss*
That first one.... like yes we need to listen to de-transitions and make then feel safe and comfortable.... but, like Sam says, they censort themselves and just call it "sin," it just sounds like another Christan talking about "swearing in front of mom." At best this person doesn't want to talk about their experiences and just want to bere their witness, at worst .... I think this person could be lying or misunderstandings what it to be trans.
These people might be genderfluid/non binary/etc. They're identity could be fluctuating. I wonder how far they got into their "transition." I doubt these guys got hormones, and surgeries. Maybe they were just experimenting with their identity. They didn't give any details, and since they are so adamant against it these details would help their argument a lot. 🤷♀️ funny how trans people need to do everything to justify their existence and yet any ex LGBT person can be 0 detail and be "proof this is a phase."
I listened to it again, and I feel like I was too harsh.... but I stand by what I said. This person is feeling tremendous amount of guilt and shame, and probably dont feel like they fit in the role AFABs are forced into in church environments.
They're feelings of being trans or "not a woman" are valid, and should be addressed! Cis or not, people should feel comfortably in their gender. I really do hope this point finds a space in the Christan community that will help them feel safe, accepted, and loved for who they are. No pressure on gender roles, no feelings of being less than... it's sad how that is not asking for much, and yet I think it would be difficult to find.
(Hah they say LGBT people care about gender and junk too much. Meanwhile junk/gender dictates what roles people can/cant do in churches all over the world)
I will now unironically be incorporating the Kevin Test into real life
What is it?
A lot of Christians seem to echo the gnostic belief that God exists as an all-powerful, evil being who created us to praise him and feed his ego
(For those curious, look up "Demiurge")
Much love to Rosie. 💜
That’s a starling new look, Tanner. I LIKE it!!!
5:12 I’ve been watching porn in hopes of becoming a serial killer but nothing is happening. Any pointers?
hmm, are you sure???
As a Christian I have ALWAYS struggled with the idea of hell. The older I get though the more I believe in just a higher being. Wether that's the god I was taught about growing up or another god or entity, I'm not sure. I just struggle with the idea that this being is "so loving" yet his followers are so hateful. How does that even work?
I also have always been deeply troubled by the idea of Hell! But recently I have come across videos on youtube and podcast that talks about different views of hell and different interpretations of what the Bible actually says! And if those are correct, most Christians may have a completely wrong view of hell! That it isn't actually an eternal place. Here is the most recent video I have watched about this subject in case you are curious: th-cam.com/video/u4_kCteLMFk/w-d-xo.html
Love the haircut!
Tanners jacket… I need the details. Perfection. 👌
I think the Olsen twins do fashion design now? Using my Google skills, they've had a few lines here and there and appeared at the last fashion week, apparently. Also, Mary-Kate was married to a much older French banker (half-bro of former French president, Nicolas Sarkozy) for a few years until 2021-LOL, yikes!-and Ashley married last year to a more appropriately-aged normie-looking artist. Honestly, considering how exploited and overexposed they were as kids and younger adults, I'm glad they get to have more quiet lives now.
I would rather be friendless than have a "friend" trying to shove their religion down my throat. If you've gone 30 years without feeling that "absence" then why create one instead of finding something truly fulfilling? Moreover, I had an acquaintance in my teens who wanted a sex dream starring Britney Spears so badly, he thought of nothing but her for, like, three days. Surprise! He dreamt about her. I can't remember if the sex part happened or not, but there she was!
8:32 what an amazing point! :D
i love you both this intro made me giggle
I've never understood how the theology of Satan even squares with a loving, omniscient, omnipresent, monotheistic God. Like, the idea that Satan is just as powerful force as God is not monotheism. I never bought the argument that we needed Satan to prove worthiness for heaven. Like....this omniscient God could do whatever he wants.
Dude I take any chance I get to bring up Paul because he makes me so angry and confused
As a former Christian, let me tell you. For some bizarre stupid reason, most churches place way more emphasis on the teachings of Paul than the teachings of Jesus.
Good time to start listening to trumpet bands Neutral Milk Hotel and Days N Daze.
Every single one of these posts reminds me of the tweet "men say they're 'fighting demons' and the demons are just bisexuality.'
People named Kevin who clicked on this video 👍
HELLO KEVIN!!!! 💚💚💚
thank goodness it’s only demons 😮💨 damn I thought I had a gender identity for a second
To stop sleep paralysis lightly wiggle your fingertips or toes. Strong effort or emotion only prolongs it.
Hey, love your videos! Could you maybe introduce timestamps? It would improve my experience a lot:)
42:33 This reminds me so much of this comment I saw on a video of a brilliant child asking questions of Neil deGrasse Tyson- the comment by @kevjd24 said:
“This reminded me of when I introduced my students to the Trolley Problem. The kids (ages 10-12) kept offering workarounds. They wanted to attempt to stop it manually, crash cars into the trolley, knock it off the tracks, etc. They simply refused to accept the outcome, even though they understood the guidelines. It was remarkable, watching them relentlessly attempt creative solutions outside the guidelines of the thought experiment. When I introduced this to a number of adults who had not heard of it, they all gave straight forward answers of sacrifice with no thoughts to a workaround. Even though the adults followed the guidelines, it was chilling to see how willing they were to sacrifice a life after watching a group of kids endlessly search for a way, even though it appeared to be hopeless.
49:29 def felt the spirit during that epic 🎺 and speaking in 👅
that first story made me feel so sick and upset :( i think maybe because i could see an alternate version of myself in them. when i came out as trans i thought my catholic school & family responded fine, but looking back now i can see they were doing the bare minimum and were quietly trying to detransition me. i was extremely stubborn though so i made it through, but i know that if i had been more scared i would end up like them. i hope they wake up to themselves when they're ready.
Aldous Huxley's Perennial philosophy does a great job of reframing a lot of Jesus' sayings and comparing them to other spiritual teachers from around the world. It was pretty eye opening since I've generally read the Bible in the context of American Christianity ©️
Love Aldous Huxley!!!
For the trumpet - it's actually not spit, it's condensation. The water vapor you breathe out condenses in the cold metal tubes and that's what comes out of the so-called "spit valve" (I play trumpet and yes, I call it the spit valve too, but I had a friend who played tuba professionally and he would get annoyed with me for calling it that because it's not spit)
You’ll notice that in every instance, where someone is “ex gay” or “ex trans”, it’s always some external force that’s “to blame” for their sinful thoughts and feelings.
Y’all should make Church of Kevin or Praise Kevin merch.
as an adult learner of trumpet, i have some advice: practice regularly, but for short predictable periods around midday. also maybe get a practice mute.
Yes, more Paul slander!! He’s wack!! Lol new to your channel, def checking out more of your stuff! 💕
Paul slander is the best, I mean jeGAYsus made a whole series on it. Something I definitely live for
Kevin works in mysterious ways.
18:43 "Call God Kevin" ❤❤ That would make him our Kevinly Father 😅
hahahahah
Iirc the original languages of the Bible were a mixture of Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic - kinda mixed up since different books came from different places and time periods
I do appreciate the perspective you both offer, but you do seem to have an understanding of Christian traditions that’s limited to more conservative fundamentalist beliefs. Thats totally understandable given both of your personal stories, but there’s a lot of other corners of Christianity with very different teachings. You seem to really paint it all with broad brushes that aren’t necessarily always productive. Definitely these Reddit posts are from more conservative spaces, because I am a born and raised Christian who does not believe in Hell, nor was I ever taught to believe in it. Would recommend checking out the writings of Nadia Bolz Webber or the TH-cam channel of God is Grey if you wanted to explore more progressive/leftist Christian traditions
I love the haircut!