***** Funnily enough, in times gone by in the case of divorce a man would legally inherit the kids (at least in Victorian England) as the primary breadwinner and financially able to support them. It's only been with the rise of feminism that women have inherited the kids while the man pays child support for them. Also in a country that makes laws and social responsibilities that overwhelmingly burden men with colossal responsibilities to help protect women from the burdens and dangers of society - just look at William Blackhill's sentiment on the matter. Feminism - the art of bitching how life is permanently unfair to half the population whilst ignoring reality. :P
Without men women would have to blame each other and they would. The need for a nemesis doesn't disappear just because one has slain the said nemesis. No it attaches itself on to the next best target. The momentum will keep searching out for a new enemy. Women are safe from other women as long as men exist as collective hate objects.
Just because our society ignores the hard work men do, doesn't mean men are obsolete. It just means the feminists saying this are _completely_ disconnected from the average man.
I'm beyond caring at this point. If I am considered "obsolete" then I'm totally fine with that. I'll just go back to playing video games and minding my own business as I always have. As far as I'm concerned there was never a competition to begin with, just a bunch of very unpleasant people shouting at me because I happened to be born with a penis and they're easily ignored. I will fight to the death over my vidya games though >:(
Skippy19812 The problem is that its easy to lose freedom rather than to obtain it. If the men of the world don't address this neo-feminism view that people have and just let it build up, there could be serious consequences. It's just like the rising of the Nazi party: people didn't care that Hitler was on a crusade against jews because it didn't affect them, until it did. But then the world had to go to war to get rid of this mindset, and this could be the start of a gender war. I don't want to meet a really nice girl, cute, funny, and hot I hope, and just ruin it all just because I say that it's stupid that men hate women. I know you are joking, but this is something that is actually scaring me and other men, because it's getting to the point where being a neo-feminist is the norm, just like it was being a nazi in World War 2. I know it's a bit exaggerated comparing neo-feminism with nazis, but it really isn't that far away from each other.
lol, Im sorry, but I chuckled a little at the thought of "women working together in harmony" in a future without men. At all the jobs I've worked at women were the first to badmouth other women and create the most conflict. These people that want to think "the decline of men" will bring forth some sort of utopia of cooperation and understanding are in for a treat if they get their wish come true. That doesn't mean they were bad at their jobs, far from it. But most didnt miss the opportunity to scheme behind each other's backs about the most trivial shit imaginable. Not saying men don't do that, but holy shit women do it on a whole different level. It was some scary shit to imagine what they were saying about me when I wasn't in the room. :D
Think about all the times you got to choose to work with men or work with women. It is always better to work with men. Hell, most women I know say they would rather work with men then other women.
WillieNero Well, I don't mind the gender of the person working with me as long as they do a good job. My point was, some people want to blame men for the problems in the world and put women on a pedestal saying without men everything would be wonderful and all women would just all get along in some sort of utopian society. Thats not true at all.
The difference is that most men are used to hearing this. When my dad was a boy, in the 1930s and 40s, only the rare lunatic said this kind of stuff. When I was a boy, in the 1960s and 70s, I heard it everywhere: tv, radio, newspapers, magazines, even in comic books and real life. Even then, most of us knew it was mindless venting. Its become a lot more extreme since then. Today, a lot of young men and boys really do believe they're useless and that the world would be better off without them. Suicide is the top killer of men and boys under 30. Its quite high in all men as far as that goes. Without men, our society would collapse overnight. Without women, it would take decades to collapse. In fact, we would have less violence too. Without women to fight over or even inciting fights, there's not much to fight over.
+Ryan Kenny Neither good nor evil can exist without the other. And imagine how boring nothing but good would be. What's the main selling point of a story? The conflict!
When a man tells a woman he is lonely, scared, lost, angry or insecure she tells him to grow up, be a man or ignores him. When the same man says he feels suicidal she lables him as a creep or crazy or talks down to him like a little baby. He can definately forget about sex or being in a relationship or keeping his relationship. Of course this is not all women but most women only care about their own feelings and are the complete opposite of empathetic. This is why some men only think women are good for one thing. If you cannot get emotional support then what good are you as a friend or lover. By the way this is also why some women like bad boys or to date jerks because those men rarely express any vulnerabilities. Then those men rise up in society and we end up in a violent world...thanks a lot ladies!
Reminds me of a quote by Camille Paglia: "There is no female Mozart because there is no female Jack the Ripper". I really can't stand how any man who does something wrong is an example of the evils of masculinity, yet when a man discovers Penicillin, invents general relativity, creates a culturally influential film, they are just good people, and if women weren't so oppressed they would be doing it even better.
Hentai404 yea it's just unfortunate women fucked up ghostbusters, made dead or alive extreme 3 banned from North America. They fk up everything that's considered well balanced and fun for men. God forbid if we have a female president on her period. No different than Hilary Clinton wanting war with Russia.
I just imagined me and my friends being filmed by a shaky 2008 camera destroying the house fucking throwing each other through the doors and hitting each other someone jumps off the roof and onto the camera ending the film.
@CORONA VIRUS I personally don't agree with that statement. I would never put all feminists in one corner. I believe there still countrys which need feminism. I do agree that there are a lot of feminists which from my perspective aren't fighting for equality, rather for attention.
@identified as a fossilized trex by gender are you stupid i hate feminists but having all women who agree with equality which i do but not in a you know what way are stupid i think your the one with your 3 brain cells overthere gettinh full on sexist towards women who agree with that
Yeah. When ukraine went to fight russia.. all the women happily left the country leaving the men to fight. Suddenly, all strong empowered women were all just happy to stay in and be homemakers. Feminism just went out of the window. We need such factual rational and level headed feminism.
@jaypee8768 that situation was different. Ukraine is a patriarchal nation women still had traditional roals. Most had kids. In fact alot of people were helping men who wanted to escape.
I'm a conservative and see nothing wrong with this video. She is exploring the subject properly and coming to actual conclusions. No need for any gender to feel obsolete. It's sick watching people destroy each other in the name of equality and acceptance. Good video.
I love how 'conduct orchestras' and 'blowing things up' were in the same sentence, haha. Ms. Sommers, i respect you greatly for caring about men when these days no one seems to do so anymore.
“What feminists refer to as microaggressions, the rest of us sane adults call life....The concept of microaggressions encourages women to think that every single thing in the world is, or should be, about them. It encourages breathless levels of narcissism, solipsism and just plain delusion....Feminism encourages women to believe that they have the same reasoning and coping abilities as toddlers. No thanks.” ― Janet Bloomfield
Forget femenism. Forget menism. What the world needs is Complimentarianism. We're different, but we compliment those differences in one another. I think it's beautiful, and that we should support it if we wish our society to move forward.
I as a man I do feel that women are faultless, victims and in need of encouragement. Whereas men don't cry nor give up, need a woman, are flawed and need harsher criticism. This is the result of the rhetoric I have grown up with and cause of much pain and shame of being male. I guess men need to be oppressed to be sympathized with, as is the trend for the oppressed. It hurts to see women yell at me for being too masculine and then blame me for not being happy because their needs are not being met by virtue of my male nature. I'm thankful for this women airing on the side of maintaining respect in a flawed but socially abundant argument.
"Fighting for resources is obsolete." *Looks at gas prices, looks at the war in Ukraine* The only thing obsolete is this horribly backwards way of thinking.
i am not triggered, I just think that people should let their personality flourish rather than be restrained by gender roles. IF I WAS TRIGGERED, I WOULD BE WRITING IN CAPS LOCK (oh wait).
Actually there is a third option here in which the statement is somewhat true: that "male" and "female" both may be phased out, to a large extent. To just treat everyone like individuals (at least outside our romantic lives ;) ). In that case, men will keep doing what they excel at, and so will women... and so will the men and women who gender-bend. Which is probably what you, and also most anti-feminists, think is a much better way to look at things. Gender certainly contributes to our wiring, and we can speak of it "as a rule", but its purpose is diminishing. We no longer have such scarcity that we need to specialize the genders beyond what they really want... so why should we?
Finally, a reasonable voice in a movement which seems to be motivated by sheer hysteria and phony outrage. Thank you for the sensible words Mrs. Hoff Sommers
There was a bridge built in Florida. All the engineers were women because of forced diversity. The bridge collapsed shortly after it was constructed and some people died.
Men: have practically build everything around you. The houses, Skyscrapers, the bridges, the electrical grid, cars, ships, oil rigs, planes, heating systems and trains. They do 99% of all hard labour jobs and without men society wouldn’t function.
I agree with almost all of it, but in extreme scenarios (reproduction aside), an only male society would be much more successful than only female society. Men are not really depended on women as much as women are depended on men, when survival as a single gender society is concerned.
I doubt the same could be said for hunter gather society. Everyone would have had to pull their weight. And many of those women probably would have had an encyclopedic knowledge of flora and their effects on the body. And how to neutralize poisons. Make drugs ect
Michael Hughes Only because there would not be women around? You realize of course that having women around make men more aggressive and competitive... right? :)
"Women love men" Amen Christina. And men love women. It is amazing what men will do for the women they love, even to the point of sacrificing their own lives for their women's safety. They need each other. Women without men are unhappy. So are the men without women.
+Cory Biological sex does play a part in ever person's life. Haven't you heard of testosterone or estrogen? I'm not saying we can't control ourselves but we can't ignore it completely
"It's time to accept the fact that the sexes are different and complement each other" And we still have to discuss and remember this... It's always been true!!!! Once again, thanks for another great, sane video, that doesn't bash people for being born as men.
I went to therapy with a female therapist, Susan Captein, here in Portland OR. She told me: "men are superfluous", and she believed that I should agree with her. I have filed a complaint with the State of Oregon. You can find specifics here: www.yelp.com/biz/susan-captein-lcsw-portland I have sympathy for the experiences of trauma that induced Ms. Captain's categorical bias against my gender. However, it is inappropriate for her to work with men, whom she considers to be fundamentally less than women. In the therapeutic context the therapist must create a space in which it is safe for the client to address their issues. To be categorically denounced as belonging to a group (men), who are "superfluous" is, to put it mildly, counterproductive to creating an environment in which effective therapy can occur. While I am a man, my primary identification s as a human being, first and foremost. As such I find the rabid defenders on both sides of the "gender wars" problematic. No human being is either obsolete or superfluous.
Iacomus Lycanthropus well we need both, then grow a human a test tube. i read somewhere that women will soon be able to bear children without semen. I never thought masturbating was wasteful of my seeds but this new scientific discovery makes me feel alert somehow lol
The sad thing is, the question should not be are men obsolete, but "are men needed?" Truth is, we men have been told too many times that we aren't. We now live in a society that favors women so far past the scale of equality that men are realizing just how unfair, unjust the system is. So, can you imagine a world where men are constantly being told that they aren't needed and men saying, "Okay, have it your way, you are on your own."? That is the reality that women are facing now. Men are now saying, I am not going to play this game anymore, not with these rules. Marriage, relationships, even jobs and education.
When I hear these claims that men are obsolete, the first thing that comes to mind is "She probably just got dumped." In all honesty, the only times I hear women complaining about men is when women aren't getting what they want. It's like an angry child who's been told she cannot have candy, so she stomps her foot and says "Well, I didn't really WANT candy anyway!" and storms off.
The gender wars is stupid. Men and women are biologically different and those differences manifest in different ways. That doesn't mean however that either is incapable of blurring the lines and performing tasks and roles which the other may normally excel in. Ultimately it comes down to the individual's choices.
An extremely rare True feminist! I hate what this movement has become and personally stand against it at almost all corners... But when truth is seen, it must be acknowledged.
Yet how many women depend on alimony compared to men? Yet how many women accept more money from men for child support than what is needed to take care of children?
"Today we need other qualities: empathy, social intuition, emotional intelligence." Dose anyone actually see these traits manifest themselves in today's society, or just just greed, consumerism, narcissism, hyper-individualism and other forms of degeneracy? Men loosen their grip on power for just a short period of time and our entire civilization is on a path to self-destruct. Something tells me things wouldn't be so bad if the WASPS were running the show.
As a truck driver, I can back what she said. There are VERY few female truck drivers. Tons of them at the company offices but not many behind the wheel.
There wouldn't be fat happy women. Most women would be starving and in constant fear of their surroundings if they didn't have the infrastructure and protection which is mostly provided by men.
I find it quite hurtful that so many women (ok, feminists) hate us men, when so many men throughout history have striven and sacrificed for the love of their women and families. Christina is also correct that men have invented most of the comforts women enjoy today (ok, many of the troubles too). Good men love, cherish and respect women and we appreciate the same in return.
For any woman who thinks she does not need men: Get off your office chair and go work in a mine, oil fields, heavy manufacturing, major construction etc. etc. then we will see how strong and independent you really are! It is easy for you to discount all the things men provide for you while you sit in a comfortable warm home with an full stomach with an I phone in your hand and a car waiting for you outside.... Go see what those things take to deliver to your arrogant self!
If we made a bell curve of each sex compared to inherent characteristics like aggression, empathy, etc., we might find overall, statistically-significant differences between the sexes, but I would hypothesis that there would also be a lot of overlap. A successful society allows the individual to engage in the roll they are most viable in. A nurturing man would be better as a care-taker than a miner. An aggressive woman would be better as a cop than a waitress. Moreover, people who try either forcing individuals in traditional gender-roles or forcing people to break them are not allowing the individual to thrive in the environment they need to be in.
Some Black Guy Chris Hansen: Then why do you have a condom with the words "rape culture" printed on it? Were you going to try to stick your Male privilege in her Shitlord and then finish by mansplaining all over her face and chest?
Lots of people tell me I need a woman, but my experience tells me they cost far more than they contribute. They have a womb... once we have a mechanical version I'm not sure what a woman can add to my life that is necessary.
Sounds like you've been burned a few times too many, friend. It does get better in time- it just takes a while. Focus on yourself and surrounding yourself with people who make you happy- falling in love isn't something you necessarily need, but having people you can rely on to support you is definitely an asset. Don't throw the whole gender out to pasture just yet; there might be a friend worth having in there.
Leafie the Great Thanks for the kind words. Sure I've been burned but who hasn't...? It's not just my personal interactions with girlfriends that makes me feel this however. It's from observing my mom, sisters, friends and their partners... Sure we all would like to be nurtured by women like babies... it feels nice. But one day we all have to grow up and realise that it's up to you to care for others or be on your own cause as a man ain't no-one going to care for you. You either accept being on your own or a slave to a females needs for the sake of enabling her to nurture kids.
***** Eeek that's a bit of a bleak view of life. I'm sorry you feel like that. Personaly, my life would be a poorer place with out the men in it. And I don't mean in a monetary way either, as I'm the main bread winner at the moment.
***** I don't want to be nurtured like a baby. I am not a toddler. Caring for someone doesn't mean that you allow them to coddle you and control your life- it means that sometimes you make compromises to make them happy, and sometimes they'll do the same for you. Being with other people doesn't make you weak, but they can help support you when you need to be strong.
Leafie the Great What exactly, does a woman sacrifice, to get a man, that is not equally replaced (often with more) by that man? My mom cared for me once. But I grew up and that stopped once I left home. For me and most men that is the end of "care" of the kind that benefits in any material way. Men then have to go on in their lives sacrificing for little more than the deluded belief that a woman loves them and a conduit to having kids. In reality though when that man is dead or they are seperated, she will have a far easier time moving on than he will without her, and probably own all or half his stuff. What does a man really need from a woman that he can't obtain for himself or from other men... other than the other half of a reproductive equation? Genuine question.
I don't agree with your assertion that men have been "the dominant sex" in general. Men and women have wielded different kinds of power throughout history, but women are pretty awesome. They didn't just sit and powder their noses for all history up until the mid-1800's.
+thepersonwhocomentz My thing is...what has the world come to when such a question can even be asked by a woman? It's like asking...do we need the Sun? Do we need the Moon?
you do not strike me as a "feminists", at least not what it seems to mean today with the third wave crowd. you seem more like an intelligent Woman with common sense, which is becoming less common every day. thank you for the video, nice to hear from a "feminist" who isn't bashing men with every breath.
Christina, I'm extremely disappointed that you would entertain the question without even looking at the language used. When are we using the word "obsolete"? Simple, we use that word for machines, we use it for appliances, we use it for devices, we do not use it for human beings. Underlying this question is the deep seeded misandry that men are just utilities for the benefit of women, and throughout this video, that's how you treated the subject: men are the laborers, men are the doers, and they are still necessary in those jobs, so at the moment we still need them right? I'm not going to change my phone now, it's the top of the line, but when the next one comes out, mine will be obsolete, and I'll just throw in the trash. This is disgusting. And no, clearly no, women would not be happy without men, and they would certainly not put on weight, because there would be no men around to transport the food directly to their tables in their well-lit apartment with their nicely regulated air conditioning and their running water. Clearly, if men were not here, women would just lose all their comfort and they are treating us like appliances, blaming every ills of society on men, and inventing non-issues like man spreading to add more to their bigoted and vile sexism.
I think she used the word because she's quoting people who (wrongly) claim that men have no place in the modern world. But I agree- a world without men would be a very lonely and dysfunctional place for all of us.
psychoh13 Yes, I was astounded by this use of language. The narrative: Women don't want to do these dirty jobs, therefore we need men. Good to know what my use is. ""Woman was an idol of belly-magic. She seemed to swell and give birth by her own law. From the beginning of time, woman has seemed an uncanny being. Man honored but feared her. She was the black maw that had spat him forth and would devour him anew. Men, bonding together, invented culture as a defense against female nature. Sky-cult was the most sophisticated step in this process, for its switch of the creative locus from earth to sky is a shift from belly-magic to head-magic. And from this defensive head-magic has come the spectacular glory of male civilization, which has lifted woman with it. The very language and logic modern woman uses to assail patriarchal culture were the invention of men." " - Camille Paglia
BruceKarrde She also mentioned things like leadership qualities and fatherhood. It's not just the jobs they fill- any idiot should be able to see that men are important for more than just societal duties. She was arguing the point that on a social/political level, men are definitely not "obsolete" like many people keep saying.
As far as I can see empathy is virtually non-existent in the world of today. We live in a world where people will cut each other's throats to advance their own agenda. We couldn't be further from being an empathic race of people.
Part of the problem is that women are thought to have empathy by default. From my experience, women are way more self centered on a whole then men. Cut out the playing with dolls part of a girls life and men do more unknowingly to help others then women by 10 fold. Girls just have better press. I am sorry, but girls remain with the mind of a child for most of their lives.
WillieNero while it's true that women certainly don't have empathy by default I find it unfair to just state that they remain childlike/immature etc. I've heard this so often as a generalization and it's just insulting to all the hard working and responsible women out there who truely want to take care of themselves and the ones they care about.
Studies have strongly indicated that children learn empathy and compassion mainly from interactions with their fathers, and as more and more fathers are pushed further and further from their own children, we live in a world where empathy is a vanishing natural social resource.
Women advantages: Develop faster Live longer Men advantages: Strength Takes more risks Not looking good for us men on this century of mostly peace, but i now understand how the risk taking can still be useful. Thx for the video.
It's not about need. It's about want. When guys check girls out they aren't consciously thinking about how badly they want to make a baby with her. It is impulse to bang, not literally reproduce, that prevailed over time because it indirectly led to increased reproductive fitness.
knowitall That is, if we are even allowed to market and purchase such technologies when the possibilities become reality. It's all so "objectifying" after all.
firstandforemost87 Yes, Frankenstein's bride was not exactly a production model..But I foresee a time when women will totally forego pregnancy and childbirth in favor of robotic childbirth.
Men built the world we live in, and equally as important, women made the people in this world. Aristotle said, "the worst form of inequality is making unequal things equal"
The obvious feminist argument about why women lag behind in certain fields is that those fields are hostile to women. Completely untrue, of course. I got a computer technologist diploma and yeah, >90% of the students were male, but the women weren't treated any differently by either their peers or instructors. They were students like any others. On a side note, just in the next building was a dental assistant class. 99% female. Oh, the gender disparity! :P
Very true. Women usually get treated very well when they enter a 'male dominated' field. Men love being around women. I am also in the computer field. And I know that if a woman were to be hired in my department, you would have all the guys competing for her affection.
I can tell you one thing, I'm a male and Feminism has done a pretty good job of characterizing me as "Worthless". I don't accept it; nor do I hate these women who are little more than self-indulgent children. How can you possibly hate children? Intellect cuts through bias whether it takes the form of gender, or racial discrimination. I have three older sisters, 7, 11 and 14 years older. When I was 11 years old, one of them called me a "male chauvinist", c'mon man, I just wanted to play in my tree house. Now that's child abuse! Well done Feminism!
Let me tell you how the world works if men disappeared crimes won't stop it just give women the opportunity to fill this void and trust me there wont be a lot of women who are gonna do something about it
Women and Men do compliment each other :) That's why there's masculine women and feminine men. They still have opposites that will compliment them even if they don't follow the norm. :)
A masculine woman is useless, she may be wearing a male Halloween costume, but the parts are female and cannot do what men can do, as for effeminate men, they tend to be weaklings majority of the time
TL DR, not to mention you said "musculine" which is not "masculine." After you said that a couple times, I just stopped caring. Except one thing - you have no idea what anyone wants from a relationship, because there are plenty of women who want to protect and take care of their partners. Haven't you heard of lesbians?
Spaniard SRK Eh, referring to your first comment, I think that personalty traits have a lot more to do with it than anything else. Women who are masculine in personality tend to excel in areas like business, law, and so forth, and men who are more effeminate in personality tend to excel in areas like web-design, creative arts, music, and entertainment. Nice R35 pic btw ;)
My understanding is that equality is what's important. If you just change one gender to become dominant over the other, it just ends up being a vicious circle.
Great video! One thing that I cannot mention enough is the overtaking (especially in academia) of feelings over facts, which is sadly happening more and more. Whether it be students, researchers, staff, or faculty, we should cherish facts over feelings as that's where learning starts. The "my learning ends where my feelings begin" should die already, and sadly that is not happening. While I do love great educators, PC correctness shouldn't limit educational institutions. Students (and staff) are taking advantage of these loop holes constantly (I know I've been a victim of it myself). Imagine being banned from a class because you were being taught false information as if it were true, and spoke up about it to correct them politely. That's not how a university should be!
Part A vs Part B Part B drives automobiles built by Part A, walks streets and sidewalks, eats food grown by Part A. Then claims to be independent of Part A. Furthermore: In material philosophy there's a notion that part B is incapable of higher thinking due to the fact that Part B derives or acquires her status via sexual attractiveness. The entire persona of Part B is based on the sexual. Enter the term "sexual transmutation" This philosophy suggests that higher reasoning can only be attained by transformation of sexual energy into production (building) or reasoning. (Arts, philosophy, science) Part A, time and again must leave the realm of sexual pursuit for necessities of life and the pursuit of material things. Agriculture arose from this and with that the industrial revolution. Part B's roll in all of it was the sexual attractiveness that she used to acquire the things that Part A strove for. Part A's pursuits within the material world were apart from sexual conquest and survival required that. Part B survival need only be sexual. Secondary reasoning, Secondary problem solving. This truth makes part A vastly superior in intellect and survival. Part B claiming that she is wholeheartedly independent of Part A is a fallacy
Yes, men and women are symbiotic in nature, where one is strong, the other is weak, and vice versa. This works out to create a stronger duo than could ever exist alone. Two heads are better than one, period.
Great video! I don't understand why people focus so much on men vs. women when there are so many things that define a human being. I'm a girl and there are plenty of girls I get along with very well and understand: we share the same interests, have similar ideas, etc. But there are also a lot who I don't understand and they seem like aliens to me because I have so little in common with them. There are guys who I have lots of things in common with and get along with well and some who I don't understand at all. Variety is the spice of life. If it were only girls, that would be boring. If it were only guys, that would also be boring. And it's the same with other traits. If everyone had the same sexuality, were of the same race, were all extraverts or introverts, had the same taste in music, had the same goals, etc...that would be boring. Yes, there are differences between men and women, both biological and psychological. However, that's not the only thing. There are also differences between sexual people and asexual people. And differences between extraverts and introverts. And differences between older people and younger people. Plus lots of others. And they're all okay. One's not always better or worse than the other in any of those cases. No one should think it'd be fine if men (or women, for that matter) all disappeared and it's the same as it wouldn't be fine if all introverts, all heterosexuals, or all white people (or whatever else) disappeared. Acknowledging differences is totally fine. Acting as if one if better than the other and establishing all these hierarchies is not fine.
"For most of human history, men have been the dominant sex..." There are two groups of people. One of them works, sacrifices, bears the unbearable and risks life, limb & eyesight for the benefit of the other. The other takes a passive position, accepting the work and offerings of the first. Between the server and the served (and allowing for minor, random deviations and outliers where this is not the case), who is truly dominant? And that society of fat, happy women would collapse into chaos and starvation the first time a hurricane or earthquake leveled a city. Because without construction workers, engineers, laborers and the ones doing the dirty & dangerous jobs, buildings collapse, water stops flowing and electricity disappears.
The fact that there are intellectual feminist such as Christina Summers fills me each time when i see one with joy. It gives me a bit of hope that even though the big thing now a days for feminists/SJW is absolute equality, there are still those people who knows that men and women depend on each other. Men will probably fuck shit up and so will women, but there will be those people that instead of spitting in their face as they lie down knowing what the did didnt ad up or work who will instead reach out to them and say "its oke it didnt work, but if you change it a bit, maybe it will next time, yet until then i dont want to see you give up".
Seriously....emotional intelligence doesn't determine logical capabilities. It just means the ability to keep stock of one's own emotions as well as those of others. Mercedes Carrera has an engineering degree. A fine example of women's abilities to be "goodzz at math or dat fanci logyk." There are also women doctors, chemists, and scientists. Don't attribute your own meaning to something if you don't quite understand it. As for the psychologist thing, I don't think emotionally intelligent is quite the same thing as emotional. I'm pretty sure psychologists need to be in control of their emotions enough not to let their patients issues affect them too harshly or their judgement. It makes sense that most psychologists would be males, as men's emotions tend to be less outwardly visible than women. As for the great part that's subjective to your own opinions. Men are probably less likely to seek help in suicidal situations because they worry it will ruin their image (professionally or socially) or be embarrassing. I would encourage anyone having suicidal thoughts to seek professional help. There are people trained to help you through hard times like that.
Honestly here's the extremely complex ideology that the modern world cannot seem to grasp: Males and Females (as well as people in general) are different. There are absolutely no ways around that, but just because we are different doesn't mean we CAN'T BE EQUAL. WHY CAN'T SOCIETY JUST UNDERSTAND THAT? Thank you for being someone who understands that. I really love your videos and the ideas that they provide.
Being myself a men that doesn't fit most stereotypes, I kind of take offense when you characterize men as this and women as that. I think that as society becomes safer and more technologically advanced, some traits characterized as (but far from being) exclusively masculine, such as aggression, will become naturally milder as consequence. Just as women collectively had to learn to be more assertive, more rational and more competitive in order to survive and thrive in the job market, it's only natural that as predetermined gender roles cease to be necessary their characterizing traits diminish. This pattern is even seen in nature. For example, lions have drastically altered behavior when in a safe and plentiful habitat when compared to a harsh one. One of the most significant traits is how the males become more family oriented and patient and playful with cubs. In fact, the only reason why this hasn't happened more drastically in our society yet is because one of the gender roles men are expected to have is to repress their emotions and, therefore, take much longer to get in touch with their own frustrations than women, whose gender role was to be in touch with their emotions from the get go. That explains why women were more capable to take the first step since the source of the problem for both genders is of an emotional nature. I assure you that men were (and still are) just as frustrated with the traditional gender expectations as women were. The generalization that men are this and women are that are extremely narrow in my perception as if men were incapable of developing more empathy, verbal intelligence and emotional maturity as it becomes more socially accepted and/or required. Men surely don't inherently lack the capacity. After all, many if not most of the greatest writers, philosophers, artists, trailblazers in psychology and so on were men. I think the big mistake is the assumption that people are limited to what the stereotype of the gender is, which greatly underestimate a person's or a class of people's ability to adapt, grow and change. Women did it. There's no reason to assume men lack the ability to adjust to new paradigms. Gender roles are not a predetermination of what you can be. They were actually designed to stop you from being all that you are to better serve the species. And that's the gift of the society of the future. The possibility for both men and women to be exactly who they are on an individual level without being limited by their specific gender roles.
Dr. Sommers, thank you for sticking up for us men the way you do! I hugely enjoy your matter of fact assessments of things in this field, and you are just brilliant, in my opinion. I think more people, never mind women, need to listen to you.
This is by far, the best feminist stuff I've ever heard... only Because it's all facts and logic, I hope all feminists are like this, but unfortunately, nearly all of them are not.
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"Men are obsolete!"
>collects alimony and child support from a man
***** Obviously, womyn are being oppressed by these evil men.
***** Funnily enough, in times gone by in the case of divorce a man would legally inherit the kids (at least in Victorian England) as the primary breadwinner and financially able to support them. It's only been with the rise of feminism that women have inherited the kids while the man pays child support for them. Also in a country that makes laws and social responsibilities that overwhelmingly burden men with colossal responsibilities to help protect women from the burdens and dangers of society - just look at William Blackhill's sentiment on the matter.
Feminism - the art of bitching how life is permanently unfair to half the population whilst ignoring reality. :P
Without men women would have to blame each other and they would. The need for a nemesis doesn't disappear just because one has slain the said nemesis. No it attaches itself on to the next best target. The momentum will keep searching out for a new enemy. Women are safe from other women as long as men exist as collective hate objects.
+Labia Majora's Mask Men created these laws to benefit women as its why alimony & divorce courts are a million dollar scam.
+Jeff D 200 likes, mate.
Just because our society ignores the hard work men do, doesn't mean men are obsolete. It just means the feminists saying this are _completely_ disconnected from the average man.
***** if you have nothing positive to contribute please kindly stop shitposting.
***** "Trying so hard"
"Sucks to be *an* failure"
Speaking of try-hards and failures ...
They are only connected to cats. And want to live like cats. Makes sense.
well said very true insightful !
@@korpakukac what...?
I'm beyond caring at this point. If I am considered "obsolete" then I'm totally fine with that. I'll just go back to playing video games and minding my own business as I always have. As far as I'm concerned there was never a competition to begin with, just a bunch of very unpleasant people shouting at me because I happened to be born with a penis and they're easily ignored.
I will fight to the death over my vidya games though >:(
Modern Japan in a nutshell
***** Top lel
***** actually that's pretty god damned accurate.
Skippy19812 The problem is that its easy to lose freedom rather than to obtain it. If the men of the world don't address this neo-feminism view that people have and just let it build up, there could be serious consequences.
It's just like the rising of the Nazi party: people didn't care that Hitler was on a crusade against jews because it didn't affect them, until it did. But then the world had to go to war to get rid of this mindset, and this could be the start of a gender war. I don't want to meet a really nice girl, cute, funny, and hot I hope, and just ruin it all just because I say that it's stupid that men hate women.
I know you are joking, but this is something that is actually scaring me and other men, because it's getting to the point where being a neo-feminist is the norm, just like it was being a nazi in World War 2.
I know it's a bit exaggerated comparing neo-feminism with nazis, but it really isn't that far away from each other.
Not just a penis but male in modern American society, across the board(whether they'd be white American or black American)...........
lol, Im sorry, but I chuckled a little at the thought of "women working together in harmony" in a future without men. At all the jobs I've worked at women were the first to badmouth other women and create the most conflict. These people that want to think "the decline of men" will bring forth some sort of utopia of cooperation and understanding are in for a treat if they get their wish come true.
That doesn't mean they were bad at their jobs, far from it. But most didnt miss the opportunity to scheme behind each other's backs about the most trivial shit imaginable. Not saying men don't do that, but holy shit women do it on a whole different level. It was some scary shit to imagine what they were saying about me when I wasn't in the room. :D
Think about all the times you got to choose to work with men or work with women. It is always better to work with men. Hell, most women I know say they would rather work with men then other women.
WillieNero
Well, I don't mind the gender of the person working with me as long as they do a good job. My point was, some people want to blame men for the problems in the world and put women on a pedestal saying without men everything would be wonderful and all women would just all get along in some sort of utopian society. Thats not true at all.
I agree, an all female society would not be a utopia.
As a woman I agree. Women tend to have love/hate relationships with each others.
Dire Squirrel Extreme example.
But still happens.
It is insane that this video even needs to be made. Can you imagine the response if a man tried to say women don’t contribute anything?
The difference is that most men are used to hearing this.
When my dad was a boy, in the 1930s and 40s, only the rare lunatic said this kind of stuff.
When I was a boy, in the 1960s and 70s, I heard it everywhere: tv, radio, newspapers, magazines, even in comic books and real life.
Even then, most of us knew it was mindless venting. Its become a lot more extreme since then.
Today, a lot of young men and boys really do believe they're useless and that the world would be better off without them.
Suicide is the top killer of men and boys under 30. Its quite high in all men as far as that goes.
Without men, our society would collapse overnight.
Without women, it would take decades to collapse. In fact, we would have less violence too. Without women to fight over or even inciting fights, there's not much to fight over.
Yin and Yang are both required for balance.
People still believe that?
Ryan Kenny Why not? Balance is important.
+Ryan Kenny It's not the most unreasonable thing I've ever heard.
+Ryan Kenny Neither good nor evil can exist without the other. And imagine how boring nothing but good would be. What's the main selling point of a story? The conflict!
***** or the yang to her yin, because yin yin is light and she's convened about balance
When a man tells a woman he is lonely, scared, lost, angry or insecure she tells him to grow up, be a man or ignores him. When the same man says he feels suicidal she lables him as a creep or crazy or talks down to him like a little baby. He can definately forget about sex or being in a relationship or keeping his relationship. Of course this is not all women but most women only care about their own feelings and are the complete opposite of empathetic. This is why some men only think women are good for one thing. If you cannot get emotional support then what good are you as a friend or lover. By the way this is also why some women like bad boys or to date jerks because those men rarely express any vulnerabilities. Then those men rise up in society and we end up in a violent world...thanks a lot ladies!
Reminds me of a quote by Camille Paglia: "There is no female Mozart because there is no female Jack the Ripper". I really can't stand how any man who does something wrong is an example of the evils of masculinity, yet when a man discovers Penicillin, invents general relativity, creates a culturally influential film, they are just good people, and if women weren't so oppressed they would be doing it even better.
Hentai404 yea it's just unfortunate women fucked up ghostbusters, made dead or alive extreme 3 banned from North America. They fk up everything that's considered well balanced and fun for men.
God forbid if we have a female president on her period. No different than Hilary Clinton wanting war with Russia.
Or bloody Mary.
exactly. They see what they want to see. Ideologically possessed by their narrative.
Unfortunately there is many female monsters like Jack the Ripper...the quote is bullshit
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moors_murders
"Be Careful!"
"Can You Get To The Top?"
This is so true
"The boys catapulted the baby carriage off the roof"
I laughed way too hard at that.
You are awesome Christina.
I just imagined me and my friends being filmed by a shaky 2008 camera destroying the house fucking throwing each other through the doors and hitting each other someone jumps off the roof and onto the camera ending the film.
"Hasbro found that girls would kiss the dolls, while boys would catapult the baby carriage off the roof." LOL I LOVE that!
It’s the beauty of life
Hurray destruction. Kisses boo. Yikes
Is God a woman?
@@thepresidentialjfk of course not
They're playing with toys, not like they'd do that to living siblings
Women and men need each other! Some people just need to realize that and stop bs'ing themselves! Great video!
Women take on roles society facilitates.
Men take on roles society demands.
Please don't think just because many feminist are stupid, all women are.
@CORONA VIRUS I personally don't agree with that statement. I would never put all feminists in one corner. I believe there still countrys which need feminism. I do agree that there are a lot of feminists which from my perspective aren't fighting for equality, rather for attention.
@identified as a fossilized trex by gender are you stupid i hate feminists but having all women who agree with equality which i do but not in a you know what way are stupid i think your the one with your 3 brain cells overthere gettinh full on sexist towards women who agree with that
You know the world is in a fucked up place when this is a topic that needs discussing in the first place. Amazing video as always.
Yeah. When ukraine went to fight russia.. all the women happily left the country leaving the men to fight.
Suddenly, all strong empowered women were all just happy to stay in and be homemakers. Feminism just went out of the window.
We need such factual rational and level headed feminism.
@jaypee8768 that situation was different.
Ukraine is a patriarchal nation women still had traditional roals.
Most had kids. In fact alot of people were helping men who wanted to escape.
Men and women working together is what build society.
@@kingvegeta7301 the problem is poor people on welfare keep popping out babies they can't afford to take care of.
I agree. Men and women compliment one another. Generally there's no more well-rounded combination.
I'm a conservative and see nothing wrong with this video. She is exploring the subject properly and coming to actual conclusions. No need for any gender to feel obsolete. It's sick watching people destroy each other in the name of equality and acceptance. Good video.
I love how 'conduct orchestras' and 'blowing things up' were in the same sentence, haha. Ms. Sommers, i respect you greatly for caring about men when these days no one seems to do so anymore.
I really hate you consider yourself a "Feminist", especially in a society that laughs at misandry but condemns misogyny.
I love how she questions the status quo in such a loving and philanthropic tone.
We love you, based mom.
“What feminists refer to as microaggressions, the rest of us sane adults call life....The concept of microaggressions encourages women to think that every single thing in the world is, or should be, about them. It encourages breathless levels of narcissism, solipsism and just plain delusion....Feminism encourages women to believe that they have the same reasoning and coping abilities as toddlers. No thanks.”
― Janet Bloomfield
Forget femenism. Forget menism. What the world needs is Complimentarianism. We're different, but we compliment those differences in one another. I think it's beautiful, and that we should support it if we wish our society to move forward.
Well said.
Complement, not compliment
100%!
I as a man I do feel that women are faultless, victims and in need of encouragement. Whereas men don't cry nor give up, need a woman, are flawed and need harsher criticism. This is the result of the rhetoric I have grown up with and cause of much pain and shame of being male. I guess men need to be oppressed to be sympathized with, as is the trend for the oppressed. It hurts to see women yell at me for being too masculine and then blame me for not being happy because their needs are not being met by virtue of my male nature. I'm thankful for this women airing on the side of maintaining respect in a flawed but socially abundant argument.
You are a pitiful, self-hating idiot!! Go find a psychological remedy mate..
"Fighting for resources is obsolete."
*Looks at gas prices, looks at the war in Ukraine*
The only thing obsolete is this horribly backwards way of thinking.
Because someone lacks 'masculine' qualities does not make them less of a man.
Thomas Richardson triggered
i am not triggered, I just think that people should let their personality flourish rather than be restrained by gender roles. IF I WAS TRIGGERED, I WOULD BE WRITING IN CAPS LOCK (oh wait).
Actually there is a third option here in which the statement is somewhat true: that "male" and "female" both may be phased out, to a large extent. To just treat everyone like individuals (at least outside our romantic lives ;) ). In that case, men will keep doing what they excel at, and so will women... and so will the men and women who gender-bend.
Which is probably what you, and also most anti-feminists, think is a much better way to look at things. Gender certainly contributes to our wiring, and we can speak of it "as a rule", but its purpose is diminishing. We no longer have such scarcity that we need to specialize the genders beyond what they really want... so why should we?
A breath of fresh air! A feminist that supports men.
Finally, a reasonable voice in a movement which seems to be motivated by sheer hysteria and phony outrage. Thank you for the sensible words Mrs. Hoff Sommers
There was a bridge built in Florida. All the engineers were women because of forced diversity.
The bridge collapsed shortly after it was constructed and some people died.
Men: have practically build everything around you. The houses, Skyscrapers, the bridges, the electrical grid, cars, ships, oil rigs, planes, heating systems and trains. They do 99% of all hard labour jobs and without men society wouldn’t function.
I agree with almost all of it, but in extreme scenarios (reproduction aside), an only male society would be much more successful than only female society. Men are not really depended on women as much as women are depended on men, when survival as a single gender society is concerned.
I doubt the same could be said for hunter gather society. Everyone would have had to pull their weight. And many of those women probably would have had an encyclopedic knowledge of flora and their effects on the body. And how to neutralize poisons. Make drugs ect
Not that men cant do that. But its not like women cant make nets and catch fish either. Its not like humans are dependant on large game animals
Anita Bonghit
Of course that having both sexes would be much more beneficial. Does not contradict what I said.
SkepTorr Have to argue with you there. We'd ever rule the become gods or destroy everything fighting ourselves.
Michael Hughes
Only because there would not be women around?
You realize of course that having women around make men more aggressive and competitive... right?
:)
If only all feminist could use the brain like Christina...
"Women love men" Amen Christina. And men love women. It is amazing what men will do for the women they love, even to the point of sacrificing their own lives for their women's safety. They need each other. Women without men are unhappy. So are the men without women.
Best comment I've seen so far.
Whatever happened to, "Feminism is about equality"?
I'm an individual, I have traits individual to me, not decided by my gender.
ofcourse all men individualistic but are women??
+KonohasGreen Beast no
+Cory Biological sex does play a part in ever person's life. Haven't you heard of testosterone or estrogen? I'm not saying we can't control ourselves but we can't ignore it completely
are you in the house? X3
+Johnny Bravo You can also alter your hormone levels.
“Only women, children and dogs are loved unconditionally. A man is only loved under the condition that he provide something.” - Chris Rock
"It's time to accept the fact that the sexes are different and complement each other" And we still have to discuss and remember this... It's always been true!!!! Once again, thanks for another great, sane video, that doesn't bash people for being born as men.
I went to therapy with a female therapist, Susan Captein, here in Portland OR. She told me: "men are superfluous", and she believed that I should agree with her. I have filed a complaint with the State of Oregon. You can find specifics here: www.yelp.com/biz/susan-captein-lcsw-portland
I have sympathy for the experiences of trauma that induced Ms. Captain's categorical bias against my gender. However, it is inappropriate for her to work with men, whom she considers to be fundamentally less than women. In the therapeutic context the therapist must create a space in which it is safe for the client to address their issues. To be categorically denounced as belonging to a group (men), who are "superfluous" is, to put it mildly, counterproductive to creating an environment in which effective therapy can occur.
While I am a man, my primary identification s as a human being, first and foremost. As such I find the rabid defenders on both sides of the "gender wars" problematic. No human being is either obsolete or superfluous.
Without men there would be no women, because of a lack of Seamen
Yarrrr. Seamen be terrible important to life. Harrrrrr.
+Iacomus Lycanthropus fucking Kapaa dude
Without women, there would be no men, because a lack of wombs ;)
+Dead Society
Which can be replaced relatively easily with test tubes.
All we really need are the ovae.
Iacomus Lycanthropus well we need both, then grow a human a test tube. i read somewhere that women will soon be able to bear children without semen. I never thought masturbating was wasteful of my seeds but this new scientific discovery makes me feel alert somehow lol
Face it ladies, if there were no more men left in the world, womankind word quickly be overrun by spider's
The sad thing is, the question should not be are men obsolete, but "are men needed?"
Truth is, we men have been told too many times that we aren't.
We now live in a society that favors women so far past the scale of equality that men are realizing just how unfair, unjust the system is.
So, can you imagine a world where men are constantly being told that they aren't needed and men saying, "Okay, have it your way, you are on your own."?
That is the reality that women are facing now. Men are now saying, I am not going to play this game anymore, not with these rules. Marriage, relationships, even jobs and education.
I would have more respect for women if they called each other out.
When I hear these claims that men are obsolete, the first thing that comes to mind is "She probably just got dumped." In all honesty, the only times I hear women complaining about men is when women aren't getting what they want. It's like an angry child who's been told she cannot have candy, so she stomps her foot and says "Well, I didn't really WANT candy anyway!" and storms off.
Without men this world would go to shit
The gender wars is stupid.
Men and women are biologically different and those differences manifest in different ways.
That doesn't mean however that either is incapable of blurring the lines and performing tasks and roles which the other may normally excel in.
Ultimately it comes down to the individual's choices.
An extremely rare True feminist! I hate what this movement has become and personally stand against it at almost all corners... But when truth is seen, it must be acknowledged.
Wow, a lot of insults towards guys just to say at the very end, "nah they're ok"
If feminists were all like this, i dont think anyone would have a problem. These videos seem very reasonable and fact-based.
I love you, Based Mom.
Thank you for being in this life time to stick up for men, when no one else with authority will.
Yet how many women depend on alimony compared to men? Yet how many women accept more money from men for child support than what is needed to take care of children?
"Today we need other qualities: empathy, social intuition, emotional intelligence."
Dose anyone actually see these traits manifest themselves in today's society, or just just greed, consumerism, narcissism, hyper-individualism and other forms of degeneracy?
Men loosen their grip on power for just a short period of time and our entire civilization is on a path to self-destruct. Something tells me things wouldn't be so bad if the WASPS were running the show.
As a truck driver, I can back what she said. There are VERY few female truck drivers. Tons of them at the company offices but not many behind the wheel.
oh female supremacists are going to hate this vid.... So going to show it off :D
There wouldn't be fat happy women. Most women would be starving and in constant fear of their surroundings if they didn't have the infrastructure and protection which is mostly provided by men.
You are my favorite feminist by far. And you are what feminism should be like.
I find it quite hurtful that so many women (ok, feminists) hate us men, when so many men throughout history have striven and sacrificed for the love of their women and families. Christina is also correct that men have invented most of the comforts women enjoy today (ok, many of the troubles too). Good men love, cherish and respect women and we appreciate the same in return.
I laughed way too hard at the way you said "Boys catapulted the baby carriage off the roof"
For any woman who thinks she does not need men: Get off your office chair and go work in a mine, oil fields, heavy manufacturing, major construction etc. etc. then we will see how strong and independent you really are! It is easy for you to discount all the things men provide for you while you sit in a comfortable warm home with an full stomach with an I phone in your hand and a car waiting for you outside.... Go see what those things take to deliver to your arrogant self!
Women☕
40% of men in prison are there for nonpayment on child support and other nonviolent crimes.
EXACTLY
And most of the rest are there for minor drug offenses, many of which are no longer illegal.
We are not obsolete.we gave up.
NI RA I not giving up
If we made a bell curve of each sex compared to inherent characteristics like aggression, empathy, etc., we might find overall, statistically-significant differences between the sexes, but I would hypothesis that there would also be a lot of overlap. A successful society allows the individual to engage in the roll they are most viable in. A nurturing man would be better as a care-taker than a miner. An aggressive woman would be better as a cop than a waitress. Moreover, people who try either forcing individuals in traditional gender-roles or forcing people to break them are not allowing the individual to thrive in the environment they need to be in.
Christina Hoff Sommers... *I love you.*
Have a seat.
***** Is this the line for loving Cristina?
Take a seat.
What is the reason you showed up to Mrs Sommers's house with beer and condoms?
Sit in your seat.
Some Black Guy
Chris Hansen: Then why do you have a condom with the words "rape culture" printed on it? Were you going to try to stick your Male privilege in her Shitlord and then finish by mansplaining all over her face and chest?
Gender/Identity politics is doing severe damage to our culture/country.
Lots of people tell me I need a woman, but my experience tells me they cost far more than they contribute. They have a womb... once we have a mechanical version I'm not sure what a woman can add to my life that is necessary.
Sounds like you've been burned a few times too many, friend. It does get better in time- it just takes a while.
Focus on yourself and surrounding yourself with people who make you happy- falling in love isn't something you necessarily need, but having people you can rely on to support you is definitely an asset. Don't throw the whole gender out to pasture just yet; there might be a friend worth having in there.
Leafie the Great Thanks for the kind words.
Sure I've been burned but who hasn't...? It's not just my personal interactions with girlfriends that makes me feel this however. It's from observing my mom, sisters, friends and their partners...
Sure we all would like to be nurtured by women like babies... it feels nice. But one day we all have to grow up and realise that it's up to you to care for others or be on your own cause as a man ain't no-one going to care for you. You either accept being on your own or a slave to a females needs for the sake of enabling her to nurture kids.
***** Eeek that's a bit of a bleak view of life. I'm sorry you feel like that. Personaly, my life would be a poorer place with out the men in it. And I don't mean in a monetary way either, as I'm the main bread winner at the moment.
***** I don't want to be nurtured like a baby. I am not a toddler. Caring for someone doesn't mean that you allow them to coddle you and control your life- it means that sometimes you make compromises to make them happy, and sometimes they'll do the same for you.
Being with other people doesn't make you weak, but they can help support you when you need to be strong.
Leafie the Great
What exactly, does a woman sacrifice, to get a man, that is not equally replaced (often with more) by that man?
My mom cared for me once. But I grew up and that stopped once I left home. For me and most men that is the end of "care" of the kind that benefits in any material way.
Men then have to go on in their lives sacrificing for little more than the deluded belief that a woman loves them and a conduit to having kids. In reality though when that man is dead or they are seperated, she will have a far easier time moving on than he will without her, and probably own all or half his stuff.
What does a man really need from a woman that he can't obtain for himself or from other men... other than the other half of a reproductive equation? Genuine question.
I don't agree with your assertion that men have been "the dominant sex" in general. Men and women have wielded different kinds of power throughout history, but women are pretty awesome. They didn't just sit and powder their noses for all history up until the mid-1800's.
That is certainly a bizarre question, but I am glad you've answered it.
+thepersonwhocomentz My thing is...what has the world come to when such a question can even be asked by a woman? It's like asking...do we need the Sun? Do we need the Moon?
you do not strike me as a "feminists", at least not what it seems to mean today with the third wave crowd. you seem more like an intelligent Woman with common sense, which is becoming less common every day. thank you for the video, nice to hear from a "feminist" who isn't bashing men with every breath.
Christina, I'm extremely disappointed that you would entertain the question without even looking at the language used. When are we using the word "obsolete"? Simple, we use that word for machines, we use it for appliances, we use it for devices, we do not use it for human beings. Underlying this question is the deep seeded misandry that men are just utilities for the benefit of women, and throughout this video, that's how you treated the subject: men are the laborers, men are the doers, and they are still necessary in those jobs, so at the moment we still need them right? I'm not going to change my phone now, it's the top of the line, but when the next one comes out, mine will be obsolete, and I'll just throw in the trash. This is disgusting.
And no, clearly no, women would not be happy without men, and they would certainly not put on weight, because there would be no men around to transport the food directly to their tables in their well-lit apartment with their nicely regulated air conditioning and their running water. Clearly, if men were not here, women would just lose all their comfort and they are treating us like appliances, blaming every ills of society on men, and inventing non-issues like man spreading to add more to their bigoted and vile sexism.
I think she used the word because she's quoting people who (wrongly) claim that men have no place in the modern world. But I agree- a world without men would be a very lonely and dysfunctional place for all of us.
missing the point entirey, arent you?
psychoh13 Yes, I was astounded by this use of language. The narrative: Women don't want to do these dirty jobs, therefore we need men.
Good to know what my use is.
""Woman was an idol of belly-magic. She seemed to swell and give birth by her own law. From the beginning of time, woman has seemed an uncanny being. Man honored but feared her. She was the black maw that had spat him forth and would devour him anew. Men, bonding together, invented culture as a defense against female nature. Sky-cult was the most sophisticated step in this process, for its switch of the creative locus from earth to sky is a shift from belly-magic to head-magic. And from this defensive head-magic has come the spectacular glory of male civilization, which has lifted woman with it. The very language and logic modern woman uses to assail patriarchal culture were the invention of men." "
- Camille Paglia
BruceKarrde She also mentioned things like leadership qualities and fatherhood. It's not just the jobs they fill- any idiot should be able to see that men are important for more than just societal duties.
She was arguing the point that on a social/political level, men are definitely not "obsolete" like many people keep saying.
if we are obsolete why do women keep wanting money from us?
is money obsolete as well?
As far as I can see empathy is virtually non-existent in the world of today. We live in a world where people will cut each other's throats to advance their own agenda. We couldn't be further from being an empathic race of people.
Part of the problem is that women are thought to have empathy by default. From my experience, women are way more self centered on a whole then men.
Cut out the playing with dolls part of a girls life and men do more unknowingly to help others then women by 10 fold. Girls just have better press. I am sorry, but girls remain with the mind of a child for most of their lives.
WillieNero while it's true that women certainly don't have empathy by default I find it unfair to just state that they remain childlike/immature etc. I've heard this so often as a generalization and it's just insulting to all the hard working and responsible women out there who truely want to take care of themselves and the ones they care about.
jackieXblue Everyone stays childish. Just look at the youtube comments on most videos
Michael Hughes
Good point.
Studies have strongly indicated that children learn empathy and compassion mainly from interactions with their fathers, and as more and more fathers are pushed further and further from their own children, we live in a world where empathy is a vanishing natural social resource.
Women advantages:
Develop faster
Live longer
Men advantages:
Strength
Takes more risks
Not looking good for us men on this century of mostly peace, but i now understand how the risk taking can still be useful. Thx for the video.
Once men innovate synthetic child birth, why do they need women?
It's not about need. It's about want. When guys check girls out they aren't consciously thinking about how badly they want to make a baby with her. It is impulse to bang, not literally reproduce, that prevailed over time because it indirectly led to increased reproductive fitness.
You're right....I'm sure in the future robotic females will be the norm; synthetic child birth with harvested eggs........
knowitall That is, if we are even allowed to market and purchase such technologies when the possibilities become reality. It's all so "objectifying" after all.
firstandforemost87 Yes, Frankenstein's bride was not exactly a production model..But I foresee a time when women will totally forego pregnancy and childbirth in favor of robotic childbirth.
knowitall Oh yea for sure. Can't argue there
Men built the world we live in, and equally as important, women made the people in this world.
Aristotle said, "the worst form of inequality is making unequal things equal"
The obvious feminist argument about why women lag behind in certain fields is that those fields are hostile to women. Completely untrue, of course. I got a computer technologist diploma and yeah, >90% of the students were male, but the women weren't treated any differently by either their peers or instructors. They were students like any others.
On a side note, just in the next building was a dental assistant class. 99% female. Oh, the gender disparity! :P
Very true. Women usually get treated very well when they enter a 'male dominated' field. Men love being around women. I am also in the computer field. And I know that if a woman were to be hired in my department, you would have all the guys competing for her affection.
Finally, a smart feminist
A man who (ignoring his own discomfort) gives epic foot rubs when his woman gets home from work could never be obsolete.
What man does that? Please, that man doesn't exist and hasn't for a very long time. Maybe ever.
You misspelled 'I can't get a date'.
No, that is the man most likely to get cucked.
I can tell you one thing, I'm a male and Feminism has done a pretty good job of characterizing me as "Worthless". I don't accept it; nor do I hate these women who are little more than self-indulgent children. How can you possibly hate children? Intellect cuts through bias whether it takes the form of gender, or racial discrimination. I have three older sisters, 7, 11 and 14 years older. When I was 11 years old, one of them called me a "male chauvinist", c'mon man, I just wanted to play in my tree house. Now that's child abuse! Well done Feminism!
I've never seen such insane facts spoken straight to my face. This is true feminism
another question is - will women become obsolete once realistic sex robots / realistic virtual reality get invented?
lol blow things up. i like that one, it makes me proud to be a man =D.
I had a Terry Crews moment. Then I thought of an machinegun that fires flaming hornets and I got an erection.
piter praker
"Stop feeding me bees!" ~ Gordon Freeman.
@@iacomuslycanthropus7466 lmao freemans mind reference
Blowing shit up. Aw yeah.
Woohooo mayhem
Let me tell you how the world works if men disappeared crimes won't stop it just give women the opportunity to fill this void and trust me there wont be a lot of women who are gonna do something about it
Women and Men do compliment each other :) That's why there's masculine women and feminine men. They still have opposites that will compliment them even if they don't follow the norm. :)
A masculine woman is useless, she may be wearing a male Halloween costume, but the parts are female and cannot do what men can do, as for effeminate men, they tend to be weaklings majority of the time
Spaniard SRK Lol, ok, great opinion, man.
TL DR, not to mention you said "musculine" which is not "masculine." After you said that a couple times, I just stopped caring.
Except one thing - you have no idea what anyone wants from a relationship, because there are plenty of women who want to protect and take care of their partners. Haven't you heard of lesbians?
Fine, sorry I took a jab at your spelling, I suppose it was rude. :/
Spaniard SRK Eh, referring to your first comment, I think that personalty traits have a lot more to do with it than anything else. Women who are masculine in personality tend to excel in areas like business, law, and so forth, and men who are more effeminate in personality tend to excel in areas like web-design, creative arts, music, and entertainment. Nice R35 pic btw ;)
My understanding is that equality is what's important. If you just change one gender to become dominant over the other, it just ends up being a vicious circle.
Great video! One thing that I cannot mention enough is the overtaking (especially in academia) of feelings over facts, which is sadly happening more and more. Whether it be students, researchers, staff, or faculty, we should cherish facts over feelings as that's where learning starts. The "my learning ends where my feelings begin" should die already, and sadly that is not happening. While I do love great educators, PC correctness shouldn't limit educational institutions. Students (and staff) are taking advantage of these loop holes constantly (I know I've been a victim of it myself). Imagine being banned from a class because you were being taught false information as if it were true, and spoke up about it to correct them politely. That's not how a university should be!
They knew that the sexes complimented each other in the 1940, we have just forgotten it somewhere along the way.
Where is this idea that men need women coming from?
Part A
vs
Part B
Part B drives automobiles built by Part A, walks streets and sidewalks, eats food grown by Part A.
Then claims to be independent of Part A.
Furthermore: In material philosophy there's a notion that part B is incapable of higher thinking due to the fact that Part B derives or acquires her status via sexual attractiveness.
The entire persona of Part B is based on the sexual.
Enter the term "sexual transmutation"
This philosophy suggests that higher reasoning can only be attained by transformation of sexual energy into production (building) or reasoning. (Arts, philosophy, science)
Part A, time and again must leave the realm of sexual pursuit for necessities of life and the pursuit of material things.
Agriculture arose from this and with that the industrial revolution.
Part B's roll in all of it was the sexual attractiveness that she used to acquire the things that Part A strove for.
Part A's pursuits within the material world were apart from sexual conquest and survival required that.
Part B survival need only be sexual. Secondary reasoning, Secondary problem solving.
This truth makes part A vastly superior in intellect and survival.
Part B claiming that she is wholeheartedly independent of Part A is a fallacy
You forgot trash collectors :p
Great video as always.
Yes, men and women are symbiotic in nature, where one is strong, the other is weak, and vice versa. This works out to create a stronger duo than could ever exist alone. Two heads are better than one, period.
Bacae Strife This requires tolerance and humility, which use to lack
Great video! I don't understand why people focus so much on men vs. women when there are so many things that define a human being.
I'm a girl and there are plenty of girls I get along with very well and understand: we share the same interests, have similar ideas, etc. But there are also a lot who I don't understand and they seem like aliens to me because I have so little in common with them. There are guys who I have lots of things in common with and get along with well and some who I don't understand at all.
Variety is the spice of life. If it were only girls, that would be boring. If it were only guys, that would also be boring.
And it's the same with other traits. If everyone had the same sexuality, were of the same race, were all extraverts or introverts, had the same taste in music, had the same goals, etc...that would be boring.
Yes, there are differences between men and women, both biological and psychological. However, that's not the only thing. There are also differences between sexual people and asexual people. And differences between extraverts and introverts. And differences between older people and younger people. Plus lots of others.
And they're all okay. One's not always better or worse than the other in any of those cases. No one should think it'd be fine if men (or women, for that matter) all disappeared and it's the same as it wouldn't be fine if all introverts, all heterosexuals, or all white people (or whatever else) disappeared.
Acknowledging differences is totally fine. Acting as if one if better than the other and establishing all these hierarchies is not fine.
a women greatest role is respecting her husband
"For most of human history, men have been the dominant sex..."
There are two groups of people. One of them works, sacrifices, bears the unbearable and risks life, limb & eyesight for the benefit of the other. The other takes a passive position, accepting the work and offerings of the first. Between the server and the served (and allowing for minor, random deviations and outliers where this is not the case), who is truly dominant?
And that society of fat, happy women would collapse into chaos and starvation the first time a hurricane or earthquake leveled a city. Because without construction workers, engineers, laborers and the ones doing the dirty & dangerous jobs, buildings collapse, water stops flowing and electricity disappears.
The fact that there are intellectual feminist such as Christina Summers fills me each time when i see one with joy. It gives me a bit of hope that even though the big thing now a days for feminists/SJW is absolute equality, there are still those people who knows that men and women depend on each other. Men will probably fuck shit up and so will women, but there will be those people that instead of spitting in their face as they lie down knowing what the did didnt ad up or work who will instead reach out to them and say "its oke it didnt work, but if you change it a bit, maybe it will next time, yet until then i dont want to see you give up".
LOL emotional intelligence is just a way of saying they arntz goodzz at math or dat fanci logyk.
Alex xeon it doesn't even mean anything considering that most great psychologists are male.
Alex xeon Well men are killing themselves far more often, i'd say we need some of that.
jonoc5
Nobody should be killing themselves more often that is a sick heartless thing to say.
Seriously....emotional intelligence doesn't determine logical capabilities. It just means the ability to keep stock of one's own emotions as well as those of others. Mercedes Carrera has an engineering degree. A fine example of women's abilities to be "goodzz at math or dat fanci logyk." There are also women doctors, chemists, and scientists.
Don't attribute your own meaning to something if you don't quite understand it.
As for the psychologist thing, I don't think emotionally intelligent is quite the same thing as emotional. I'm pretty sure psychologists need to be in control of their emotions enough not to let their patients issues affect them too harshly or their judgement. It makes sense that most psychologists would be males, as men's emotions tend to be less outwardly visible than women. As for the great part that's subjective to your own opinions.
Men are probably less likely to seek help in suicidal situations because they worry it will ruin their image (professionally or socially) or be embarrassing. I would encourage anyone having suicidal thoughts to seek professional help. There are people trained to help you through hard times like that.
the internet Jesus christ i said more emotional intelligence. Proving me right though, so thanks.
Honestly here's the extremely complex ideology that the modern world cannot seem to grasp: Males and Females (as well as people in general) are different. There are absolutely no ways around that, but just because we are different doesn't mean we CAN'T BE EQUAL. WHY CAN'T SOCIETY JUST UNDERSTAND THAT? Thank you for being someone who understands that. I really love your videos and the ideas that they provide.
Being myself a men that doesn't fit most stereotypes, I kind of take offense when you characterize men as this and women as that. I think that as society becomes safer and more technologically advanced, some traits characterized as (but far from being) exclusively masculine, such as aggression, will become naturally milder as consequence.
Just as women collectively had to learn to be more assertive, more rational and more competitive in order to survive and thrive in the job market, it's only natural that as predetermined gender roles cease to be necessary their characterizing traits diminish.
This pattern is even seen in nature. For example, lions have drastically altered behavior when in a safe and plentiful habitat when compared to a harsh one. One of the most significant traits is how the males become more family oriented and patient and playful with cubs. In fact, the only reason why this hasn't happened more drastically in our society yet is because one of the gender roles men are expected to have is to repress their emotions and, therefore, take much longer to get in touch with their own frustrations than women, whose gender role was to be in touch with their emotions from the get go. That explains why women were more capable to take the first step since the source of the problem for both genders is of an emotional nature.
I assure you that men were (and still are) just as frustrated with the traditional gender expectations as women were. The generalization that men are this and women are that are extremely narrow in my perception as if men were incapable of developing more empathy, verbal intelligence and emotional maturity as it becomes more socially accepted and/or required. Men surely don't inherently lack the capacity. After all, many if not most of the greatest writers, philosophers, artists, trailblazers in psychology and so on were men.
I think the big mistake is the assumption that people are limited to what the stereotype of the gender is, which greatly underestimate a person's or a class of people's ability to adapt, grow and change. Women did it. There's no reason to assume men lack the ability to adjust to new paradigms. Gender roles are not a predetermination of what you can be. They were actually designed to stop you from being all that you are to better serve the species. And that's the gift of the society of the future. The possibility for both men and women to be exactly who they are on an individual level without being limited by their specific gender roles.
Dr. Sommers, thank you for sticking up for us men the way you do! I hugely enjoy your matter of fact assessments of things in this field, and you are just brilliant, in my opinion. I think more people, never mind women, need to listen to you.
What if women are becoming obsolete?
This is by far, the best feminist stuff I've ever heard... only Because it's all facts and logic, I hope all feminists are like this, but unfortunately, nearly all of them are not.