My children go to a Christian "homeschool coop" and they read AND memorize classics and "non-christian" poets (along with prayer and biblical teaching as a priority) and I love it. Even the public schools in our neighborhood don't get this level of reading.
I think this is why Math is so vital. It demonstrates there are absolutes in this world. And for it to work, you must follow a set of rules. Otherwise you are left with nothing but chaos. Societies cannot survive in chaos, without absolutes. Creation is an absolute. The resurrection of Jesus is an absolute. If you just follow the rules of logic it becomes self evident truth.
This is a stunning discussion and I love it. I'm going to look up books by Markos as I was once an English teacher and understand his love of connections.
When people like C.S. Lewis, Francis Schaeffer, Nancy Pearcey, and Thomas Howard are all mentioned in the same discussion I know I'm listening to something good !
The philosopher who handles these issues brilliantly is Eric Voegelin. He is incomparable. He is also the most underrated philosopher in our times. People must start reading him.
I have been consistently disappointed by the lack of wisdom in professionals and experts. They find a little success and interpret it as intelligence or ignore hard questions entirely.
This stimulated brain matter.🧠 Louis is very expressive and dramatic.No dull conversations with him.I like that pieces of truth can be found everywhere that lead to ultimate truth.
Eric, I loved “Bonhoeffer” and believe that had he lived, he would’ve become Catholic. As a Protestant most of my adult life, I am pretty good at recognizing the signs leading one to the resting place of Peter and Paul’s bones. You and your guest clearly show these signs. Christ calls for unity. When are you coming in to the Catholic Church?
Very interesting indeed to note that when you referred to the writing of Hebrews, talking about the temple being a type of heaven . Originally when God gave Moses the plan for the Tabernacle on Mount Sinai, he said this is a type of heaven…. The tabernacle, of course, was a precursor and a blueprint for the temple. The giving of the law at Sinai and Moses receiving the pattern for the Tabernacle ….was approximately a thousand years before Plato.
These geniuses are such fools to God. The Scriptures provide any answer imaginable. John 16: 14. "But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come"
They? A personal relationship with Jesus Christ doesn't require the knowledge of pagan classics. Personally, I'm all in on these classics and their place in my understanding of the history of the world and man's yearning for truth. I think it's a mistake to intimate that without the knowledge of the writers mentioned, Christians are somehow the equivalent of the neo-liberal idea of "Deplorables." I appreciate you very much, Professor.
Frank Turek says when somebody claims, "There is no Truth!" We need to ask, "Is THAT claim true?!? If your truth claim that there's no truth, then what you're claiming isnt true either!"
These young converts to the Orthodox and Catholic churches are also yearning for and finding Truth. I'm a Catholic. I like your complete Truth idea. In Catholicism we say we have "the fullness of Truth". And we are obliged to honour Truth wherever we find it.
Satan appealed to Eve's human reasoning to trip her up. In many ways this is the history of the church. Smart men vainly rely on their own human reasoning, rather than Scripture, to define reality or to bend the Bible to their preferences. God defines reality and all our reasoning must submit to his revelation first in order to determine what moral truth is and our duties to God in light of that biblical revelation.
@louismarkos1777 all of my grandparents were from Hungary. My parents didn't speak English until they started school, but they were born in the USA and have always considered themselves to be Americans.
I've been a fan of Professor Markos since his Great Courses, "From Plato to Postmodernism". He's the most important person around for understanding Literary Theory.
God has always spoken to the world through living prophets (Amos 3:7). Before Christ, MOST of his revelations were in the Old Testament. There are other non-biblical, potentially inspired-by-God books: other books Moses didn’t have access to, Book of Abraham, Apocryphal books, Book of Enoch, Book of Mormon, other books of scripture referred to in the OT that aren’t found in the OT. Some modern-day Christians are sadly mistaken that ONLY the Old and New Testaments have truth revealed by God.
I reverted to Catholicism last year, after 25 years away. I’m a psychoanalyst (heavily influenced by Jung). I feel that Christianity is still missing an expression of certain aspects of the feminine. Mary is only a partial illumination of the feminine. 🤷🏻♂️
The fundamental assumption of postmodernism was not that there is no truth but that a conventional interpretation of a text -- an interpretation that is generally put forth as the true one -- is open to interrogation. The widespread willful misunderstanding of postmodernism on the left and right is helping no one.
@@louismarkos1777 And in the other direction, the danger of absolutism is there. It simply isn't accurate to conflate postmodernism with relativism, which both the left and right love to do. Where is the search for truth?
no truth=no responsibility=no guilt=no shame=no need for repentance=no need for GOD=no need for existence
My children go to a Christian "homeschool coop" and they read AND memorize classics and "non-christian" poets (along with prayer and biblical teaching as a priority) and I love it. Even the public schools in our neighborhood don't get this level of reading.
All truth is God's truth.
I think this is why Math is so vital. It demonstrates there are absolutes in this world. And for it to work, you must follow a set of rules. Otherwise you are left with nothing but chaos. Societies cannot survive in chaos, without absolutes. Creation is an absolute. The resurrection of Jesus is an absolute. If you just follow the rules of logic it becomes self evident truth.
Great discussion, rediscover the classics is a necessity today.
This is a stunning discussion and I love it. I'm going to look up books by Markos as I was once an English teacher and understand his love of connections.
❤❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 let's allow the holy Spirit to combine love and truth in us and run with it together
When people like C.S. Lewis, Francis Schaeffer, Nancy Pearcey, and Thomas Howard are all mentioned in the same discussion I know I'm listening to something good !
I really enjoyed reading Total Truth by Nancy Pearcy when I first became a Christian 🙌
Great list!
The opposite of a "nihilistic" project is a "hopeful" project.
The philosopher who handles these issues brilliantly is Eric Voegelin. He is incomparable. He is also the most underrated philosopher in our times. People must start reading him.
I have been consistently disappointed by the lack of wisdom in professionals and experts. They find a little success and interpret it as intelligence or ignore hard questions entirely.
This is a marvelous discussion.
This stimulated brain matter.🧠 Louis is very expressive and dramatic.No dull conversations with him.I like that pieces of truth can be found everywhere that lead to ultimate truth.
Eric,
I loved “Bonhoeffer” and believe that had he lived, he would’ve become Catholic. As a Protestant most of my adult life, I am pretty good at recognizing the signs leading one to the resting place of Peter and Paul’s bones. You and your guest clearly show these signs. Christ calls for unity. When are you coming in to the Catholic Church?
never if they have any sense.
Very interesting indeed to note that when you referred to the writing of Hebrews, talking about the temple being a type of heaven . Originally when God gave Moses the plan for the Tabernacle on Mount Sinai, he said this is a type of heaven…. The tabernacle, of course, was a precursor and a blueprint for the temple.
The giving of the law at Sinai and Moses receiving the pattern for the Tabernacle ….was approximately a thousand years before Plato.
James Beatie, 1760's wrote a paper - Natural commonsense, the immutable truth.
These geniuses are such fools to God. The Scriptures provide any answer imaginable. John 16: 14. "But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come"
They?
A personal relationship with Jesus Christ doesn't require the knowledge of pagan classics. Personally, I'm all in on these classics and their place in my understanding of the history of the world and man's yearning for truth. I think it's a mistake to intimate that without the knowledge of the writers mentioned, Christians are somehow the equivalent of the neo-liberal idea of "Deplorables." I appreciate you very much, Professor.
Frank Turek says when somebody claims, "There is no Truth!" We need to ask, "Is THAT claim true?!? If your truth claim that there's no truth, then what you're claiming isnt true either!"
These young converts to the Orthodox and Catholic churches are also yearning for and finding Truth. I'm a Catholic. I like your complete Truth idea. In Catholicism we say we have "the fullness of Truth". And we are obliged to honour Truth wherever we find it.
Roman Catholicism has perverted the truth.
Satan appealed to Eve's human reasoning to trip her up. In many ways this is the history of the church. Smart men vainly rely on their own human reasoning, rather than Scripture, to define reality or to bend the Bible to their preferences. God defines reality and all our reasoning must submit to his revelation first in order to determine what moral truth is and our duties to God in light of that biblical revelation.
A writer who says that there are no truths, or that all truth is 'merely relative,' is asking you not to believe him. So don't. Sir Roger Scruton.
When is part two?
Next Friday, the 17th!
Eric, you are American! You have one parent from Greece?
His dad from Greece, his mom from Germany. My 4 grandparents were born in Greece
@louismarkos1777 all of my grandparents were from Hungary. My parents didn't speak English until they started school, but they were born in the USA and have always considered themselves to be Americans.
So glad you used Tinker to Evers to Chance, I’m tired of having to explain it, it needs to be used more!
Which questions may not be reframed?
This is not socrates. Socrates died a long time ago in Greece.
Existentialism is the opposite of nihilism
Is it true that there is no truth?
Great exposition.
This was good Thanks.
where is part 2?
Few things perverted scripture more than Greek theology.
I've been a fan of Professor Markos since his Great Courses, "From Plato to Postmodernism". He's the most important person around for understanding Literary Theory.
Hippies in the 50s? The late 60s, yes.
There were hippies in the 50’s. They were called beat nicks or beet nicks sic?🥴
God has always spoken to the world through living prophets (Amos 3:7). Before Christ, MOST of his revelations were in the Old Testament. There are other non-biblical, potentially inspired-by-God books: other books Moses didn’t have access to, Book of Abraham, Apocryphal books, Book of Enoch, Book of Mormon, other books of scripture referred to in the OT that aren’t found in the OT. Some modern-day Christians are sadly mistaken that ONLY the Old and New Testaments have truth revealed by God.
@@robertracker5474 Beat nicks ☑
I love Dr. Markos and his work. Thanks for this interview.
I reverted to Catholicism last year, after 25 years away. I’m a psychoanalyst (heavily influenced by Jung). I feel that Christianity is still missing an expression of certain aspects of the feminine. Mary is only a partial illumination of the feminine. 🤷🏻♂️
Queen of heaven, ark of the covenant, mother of god. That’s not enough for you?😂
The fundamental assumption of postmodernism was not that there is no truth but that a conventional interpretation of a text -- an interpretation that is generally put forth as the true one -- is open to interrogation. The widespread willful misunderstanding of postmodernism on the left and right is helping no one.
That is a fair summation, but the danger of relativism is there.
@@louismarkos1777 And in the other direction, the danger of absolutism is there. It simply isn't accurate to conflate postmodernism with relativism, which both the left and right love to do. Where is the search for truth?