God... You people are so easily impressed. This is jack shit compared to what guilty gear was like. But fuck those people for working hard at something they enjoyed, right? But all praise to jackass Leffen for grabbing the lowest hanging fruit possible.
Love it. The Guilty Gear community is elitist af. Can't even give the champion his flowers without sounding salty af. Y'all let a Melee player come into your game and shit on everyone in the tourney? The EVO turnout was the largest it's ever been. You're telling me there wasn't a single Guilty Gear main that could beat Leffen? There wasn't one Happy Chaos player that was good enough to beat Leffen? He shit on y'all's home turf LOOOL
@@Henwin100 bruh the real guilty gear pro players just dont play shit strive, thats just how it is, thats why leffen won, most hardcore guilty gear pros were on xrd
And as a Guilty Gear fan, I'll say: Leffen is not a real guilty gear player. He just plays this basic bitch one that plays absolutely NOTHING like Guilty Gear and would get fucking wrecked in any other one.
A blowout in grands is never what you really wanna see, and im not a leffen fan or anything, but winning a super major in melee from the brink of losing early, into mostly destroying evo featuring the best set of the tournament in your run (watch leffen vs pepperyslash if you havent seen it) is beyond respectable
@kkokay4 Zato? The character he lost last years EVO with? The EVO that HC won? If your gonna suck the dude off at least understand the fuck your talking about.
@@brxjams8855 Sure, here you go: staticg.sportskeeda.com/editor/2020/10/d44f6-16017254563140-800.jpg There's even a section on Leffen's wiki page about the drama.
I think melee has helped leff so much in scrambles and reads is being able to convert in mixey situations with close frame tight reactions and reads thats rather rare in classic fgc games
@@traycarrotyeah to add to this Leffen has played fighting games since he was young. When he was banned from all of European smash he switched over to Marvel vs Capcom 3. But as the first guy said Melee in particular has uncountable scramble situations like literally every interaction is a scramble
@@traycarrot if you boil anything down to it's basic elements, everything will sound stupid. What an incredibly ignorant statement lmao. Where are the other players that have been playing FGC for 20+ years lol..
Ignoring all the "CARRIED" stuff about HC, we can all agree that in-game (gun goes "BANG, BANG") AND in the GG canon (The Original) he's pretty much the strongest character of them all.
I wouldn't say carried. Didn't leffen make it to grand finals of another evo for strive with a different chip? Don't think it's necessarily carried if the dude is doing well with multiple characters.
@@Michael-hc2hp Just looked it up. Evo 2021 he got to grand finals. So the dude got to grand finals, winners/loser finals the next year, then won the whole thing this year and people say carried by character? Yea ok.
He really is incredible. Winning a supermajor in Melee and winning Evo in Guilty Gear within the space of a month has to be one of the greatest fgc achievements ever.
Yeah outside of using a top tier character he's honestly the underdog in this scenario. It's kind of hype to see someone who comes from a completely different scene absolutely stomp the grand finals of a game that plays very differently.
@@callumanderson6373Yah what an Underdog, quite literally only chooses top tier characters, he doesn’t even like the characters he plays he just picks them based of meta, hes a super boring player to watch and Idk where you think hes an underdog, mans kind of a punk in the community
@@fightedmealready2692 he's a punk but he also doesn't specialize in this game. He's a melee player up against a guilty gear veteran. Picking top tiers is lame but it's still somewhat impressive that he is a top player in not one but two fighting games.
@@callumanderson6373 I don’t get how people say he doesn’t specialize in Guilty Gear when he has been competing and streaming the game for almost 2 years now. Like i get he was originally a smash guy but at this point hes as much invested in strive than anything else. I don’t think hes a bad player by any means, i just think hes super carried
@@pacepicante6952 Theres a difference between criticism and jealousy. You idiots just can't be happy for someone that probably put more effort into something that you yourself can never do.
Relative to his gameplay I don't think it's been an issue for melee or strive, he's a great fgc player. Relative to his personality he is very toxic he has on several occasions specifically bullied disabled people, as recently as like 2020 when he corroborated rumors he knew likely knew to be false about Mew2King
As long as everyone plays HAPPYCHAOS, and select other characters(X) ....sandbags for your training .Don't care other sandbags feeling, just play the balanced STG FPS~
Cool stuff to Leff, but whenever I have someone ask me “Why do you not like Strive?”, I literally just show them this. A 5 minute grand finals is ludicrous. There’s not even enough time to enjoy the game.
Plenty examples of nail-biter GFs in this game, it just didn't happen at this tournament. Sometimes it do be like that and it can happen in every fighting game.
Bro as a smash player I’m genuinely embarrassed reading these comments. The superiority complex these guys have for smash just because a smash player way better than them is good at several games is crazy. No wonder the rest of the fgc community hates us lol
Strange that leffen can start playing a game and take an evo 3-0 in a couple of years and still struggles to win normal majors in melee. Hmm. Maybe the skill ceiling for an almost 20 year old game is higher than a recently released one.
@@mcadminbro2139that has to be the most brainless comment I've ever read. The age of a game has no relevance to difficulty. Melee is a happy accident, strive is a game that everything is intentional.
As a smash player, I agree, but it’s also kinda fucked that the people opposite those guys are just trying to discredit the win as much as possible. You can’t win a 2500 person bracket purely off of your character pick, anyone who says otherwise is just hating to hate
@@kona7043 It's only brainless because you completely missed the point. The ceiling for Melee IS way, WAY higher than Strive or any other FG. It's easily one of the most technically demanding games, it might even be the most, but that's a matter of opinion. Saying SSBM is harder than Strive tho is just fact
As a massive leffen hater, I have to give him credit. Dude is cracked at video games... for whatever thats worth. Had he not just won a melee major a few weeks before this I could at elast say he was slacking on melee for strive but no. Dude wins a melee super major (granted it was an invitational) and then wins another evo title.
Dude... He quit Tekken and he's not even a Guilty Gear player. He'd get fucked so hard in XRD and XXAC+R, every zit on his face would pop and he wouldn't stand even REMOTELY a chance. He wouldn't even make top 100.
He plays happy chaos you cant call him cracked..he got destroyed in tekken, and in sf6 at kumite and said f this game. Hes a scrub who doesnt deserve followers
I still remember hearing about how Japan strongly believed HC is weak. I don't know if that's changed before this but good god if a grands double perfect doesn't prove anything about the character and the people good at piloting him.
i know im late but id honestly say when it comes to competitive games in general don't trust a regions opinion on the game just because they're really good at it. Like for example in league Korea dominates mechanically but you'll see them pull the dumbest builds or have the worst macro.
People don't seem to realise the difference between being the best character on a tier list... and being the best character for a tournament. HC has done well in tournaments, but he's a high execution character that is harder to play in large formats. Sajam made this point. The drop off of playing a character like HC at 80% or 85% of his max is much more than playing Ram or May at 80% or 85%. This is why you don't see a never ending run of HC in grand finals.
i mean yeah ggst damage scaling is so horrible for one mistake you do 50% of your health bar gone and its stupidly easy to connect combos on wall break like whoever starts the match good it just takes the W, horribly unbalanced game@@Thiago-Alboneti
@@mik-hail7910He did something similar in melee when he complained about a character in Melee for like a decade only to pick up a character that beats Marth 6-4. I think my favorite Leffen moment was when he lost to Hungrybox (at a LACS) Shakes his head during the set then speed runs down to the casters to complain. He said something to the effect of "He only beat me because I'm so good at the matchup"
@@loganreidy7055 also can't deny his good tho. But when happy gets pot busted and Johnny gets released the game would be in a much better spot........ Probably
Friendly reminder to anyone, both players can select any character. They can both pick the same top tier and do a mirror but it was the players preference not to do so. It's a tournament with 10k on the line I believe for first place. Anything goes
Sounds like you have always been a Leffen lover tbh. Leffen is an utterly garbage person and if you disliked him, him winning a damn tourney wouldn't make you 180 and root for him. Stop trying to spread this false narrative that people flip for Leffen lmfao
whenever i have a bad day i just watch this and it instantly puts a smile on my face the crowd reaction to leffen winning might be the funniest thing ive ever seen
Both players are amazing otherwise they wouldn’t be on EVO But man was this set unengaging to watch especially compared to the madness that was ArcSysWorldTour earlier this year.
It's very sad to analyze this match, because so very little of it was actually adapting to the other player respectively. Leffen was just playing Chaos with a few tricks here and there, but 90% of his gameplan was the exact same. He got away with so much for doing the exact same thing this set that his opponent literally got a perfect against him through sheerly punishing his bad habits, whereas Leffen got 2 perfects in a row simply because his opponent was dealing with a character that just had a lot more spacing and aggression tools than he had. Nago was actually absurdly aggressive that patch, too, just as proof for how much the character itself specifically was walling him off. I can appreciate some of Leffen's more creative use of space and RCs, but I'm not going to congratulate a man for perpetually backdashing and converting into half health combos off of the most undeserved stray hits I've seen in any match. It's no wonder he gets squashed in games like Street Fighter 6 consistently, and that he's been performing incredibly worse recently since a lot of Happy Chaos checks have been more meta this patch
I came back to watch this since there's been a lot of discourse from the HC community about how he's now mid-tier, but he still gets some of the best results because they're just gods of the game. And yeah just like you're saying it seems like Leffen can play the most thoughtless neutral since HC beng lets him cover the whole screen, convert from anywhere, and pretty much end the neutral phase on a whim. Like HC players go on and on about how hard he is to execute, but none of them acknowledge how much he simplifies the decision making process relative to the rest of the roster. His shit just works on everyone with little to no specific matchup knowledge required. And then when he's slightly nerfed, and his players are forced to interact with a more potent cast, their lack of FG chops show a lot more clearly since they can't just steamroll with uninteractive bullshit.
@@culturemanoftheages absolutely agree. Execution barriers don't change the fact that decision-making is the heart of fighting game skill. If you remove that from a game, you're just mechanically better than every other character that respects that rule. Very glad Chaos is a respectable mid tier and now has to navigate games by actually playing neutral
It's a little bit of both. He was good in Fighters and Smash. But here he has a character that can do what he always wished he could. Skip neutral by having full screen fast attacks.
You have to understand that NBNHMR is a great player, one of the best. He has no problem beating HC and has in fact beat Leffen in the past. This day Leffen was on point tho.
@GuitarSlayer136 Because the character doesn't play themselves. HC's tools are outright better, but more than that, Leffen knows how to optimize. I've seen other HC players that spend ALL their time full screen, whereas Leffen was in his opponent's face the whole set. Not once did I think in all of the 5 minutes that got played that Leffen was carried by his character choice. None of the games were close enough to tell.
Congrats to Leffin on winning the 2023 EVO Championship for GG:Strive! Also, it cool to hear that he won a trophy in SSB and GG: Strive which are 2 COMPLETELY styles of games.
Oh what a surprise, a happy chaos player winning again the evo, the same of 2022, and who you think is gonna win the 2024 evo? Of course another happy chaos player
I missed the finals cuz I was busy so when I tried finding the vid to watch it I thought this was the wrong one cuz it’s way too short to be grand finals
It's times like this that I wonder wtf was Arcsys thinking when they made HC, did they watch the boring-broken matches of Injustice 2 and think "WE NEED THAT!!!"
When happy chaos was announced I really thought he looked cool as fuck, once I opened the game, i got graped so bad every single time I went against a hc. Yeah I'm a scrub cause I dropped this game for sf6 now but I'm happier lmao
@@Diamondsucks.Not really. May's top tier for sure, but playing neutral or defense against her isn't infuriating like Happy Chaos is. May's strength comes from having some of the strongest damage and conversions in the game. Nerf her unreasonable damage and she instantly becomes more fair. Happy Chaos, though... Neutral: gun Offense: just use unreactable roll lmfao Seriously, his offense is some of the most infuriating shit to deal with because of that one move alone. He does one unreactable special in his 20 second long blockstring, and suddenly, MAGICALLY, I'm being carried to the other side of the wall with half my health bar deleted. Seriously, his bad defense doesn't even matter due to the fact that YRC exists, and he has very good buttons after that. May is nowhere close to the level of bullshit that Happy Chaos brings.
Its so odd to see people try to downplay these achievements. What kept the opponent from picking Happy Chaos too? Why WOULDNT you go for the strongest option available when you're trying to win a professional match?
@@janah6473they don’t jive with his character or play style? Yeah high level means playing optimized, but not everyone’s going to want to play *THE STRONGEST* character. Not like I’m trying to downplay Leffen’s achievement, I just don’t like your argument for why
You say that like winning evo in 2 different games is huge feat. Players like justin wong have multi titles. Not to discredit leffen but you cant say that its insane just for winning evo twice.
There's a myth about it being the "neutral-based fundies" GG which is really ironic since it has some of the least neutral of any FG in general, even other GG games.
Nerf Happy Chaos. Both players are extremely skilled and know exactly how to play the set yet always somehow Chaos comes out on top with his broken damage and broken mix
@@MartinBergnerGuitarpeople don't want to say it, but getting the most out of HC can be hard with understanding negative edge as well as managing both your bullets and concentration. Aside from that, he is increadibly busted, don't let the downplayers slide.
@@MartinBergnerGuitarBacklash. Umisho had already won majors with HC but decided not to use him for whatever reason, I can only assume that it's because everyone HATES the character, and at high level it feels like you're getting carried (you are) since Strive is not a hard game even if HC is one of the hardest to use in the game.
@@MartinBergnerGuitar Because at the end of the day you still need to work to get the most out of the best character. Make no mistake, people picked HC on the earlier parts of the tournament, all but leffen got eliminated.
5 min final is insane
God... You people are so easily impressed. This is jack shit compared to what guilty gear was like. But fuck those people for working hard at something they enjoyed, right? But all praise to jackass Leffen for grabbing the lowest hanging fruit possible.
thats why strive sucks
@@butteredtoast3032 yeah ! 🤣
Love it. The Guilty Gear community is elitist af. Can't even give the champion his flowers without sounding salty af. Y'all let a Melee player come into your game and shit on everyone in the tourney? The EVO turnout was the largest it's ever been. You're telling me there wasn't a single Guilty Gear main that could beat Leffen? There wasn't one Happy Chaos player that was good enough to beat Leffen? He shit on y'all's home turf LOOOL
@@Henwin100 bruh the real guilty gear pro players just dont play shit strive, thats just how it is, thats why leffen won, most hardcore guilty gear pros were on xrd
You can hear the crowd yell "NO" When leffen wins.
That's so beautiful.
Obviously, the crowd majority is from USA. The same happened in MK11 grand final (Chile vs USA).
@@DonalEstrada This one has nothing to do with nationality, it was just because it was Leffen.
@@roxx1357Leffen delivering salt and a side dash of copium once again ^.^
@@DonalEstradaIt’s because he’s Leffen
Nobody likes Leffen. That's how it always has been since years ago
AND THE CROWD GOES MILD🔥🔥🔥
Lol
i saw so many people looking like 😐
It was so boring man
@@275dpr
Yeah, so was UMvC3 tbh
For sure, the crowd majority is from US. In MK11 grand final, the people were supporting the US player and he was playing a boring zoning character.
As a melee fan, I'll quote Mang0:
"Leffen is a *****, but he's our *****"
And as a Guilty Gear fan, I'll say:
Leffen is not a real guilty gear player. He just plays this basic bitch one that plays absolutely NOTHING like Guilty Gear and would get fucking wrecked in any other one.
Damn straight
nword?
@@MaQuGo119why the fuck would it be the n word 😭
bitch, the word is bitch
A blowout in grands is never what you really wanna see, and im not a leffen fan or anything, but winning a super major in melee from the brink of losing early, into mostly destroying evo featuring the best set of the tournament in your run (watch leffen vs pepperyslash if you havent seen it) is beyond respectable
Leffen v Pep this year was totally fucking insane. The entire set is a highlight reel. The drops from Pep were so tragic.
Being a long time Melee player there is one thing we know for certain about Leffen's gameplay. When he is on he is untouchable.
That was some hardcore glazing aint gonna lie
Almost every game he dedicates to he wins at.
@@tinyt.w.i.m7291he committed to doing perjury too lmao
If dick riding was a sport you would be a professional
@@tinyt.w.i.m7291idk about that one bud smash ultimate street fighter but I ain’t hatin I like him for melee
Video lenght for the grands being sub-10 is something I never thought I'd see
Sasuga GGS
You can't say you didn't expect something and then say sasuga lol
Leffen straight up being that untouchable anime adversary
Lol. Please. You're such a joke and so is he. If he played XRD or XXAC+R, he wouldn't even be top 100.
Happy chaos broken character
@@TheDouradaGrelhada thats what they said about the last char he played before they nerfed him to oblivion
@kkokay4 Zato? The character he lost last years EVO with?
The EVO that HC won?
If your gonna suck the dude off at least understand the fuck your talking about.
@@TheDouradaGrelhada if your character cant do anything to the broken character then you lost at the character select screen.
6:55 Perfect crowd reactions, haha
Bro no leffen is great
Bro nobody was celebrating his win
@@Ponge__cap
@@Ponge__for sure, leffen’s a great player. Just a horrible person lol
2 extremely different games for the champion, wild, impressive, good shit
HC is ridiculous in this game you'd think he has bad buttons up close with how crazy his zoning is but nah.....dude has insane buttons upclose too lol
They actually nerfed his zoning alot to force people to play him as a mixup character more actually.
What a huge difference and it’s almost like Leffen punching a sandbag….
6:55 lmfao at the girl shaking her head and then transitioning into the unenthusiastic clapping, exactly how i felt watching this
lmao true
MELEE players just built different 🥱🥱🥱
@@Slothmymangoi play melee and p+
@@Slothmymangohe's the only one
@@Slothmymangoyeah, their attraction to no showers and children is different
Almost no one cheered for Leffen even when he looked at the crowd. He even took back his fist pump and turned it into a head scratch LMAO
Damn that looks so awkward. Leffen is such a bitch
Dang that crowd reaction after Leffen won...
Happy chaos.
@@yukiterumi7371 the cope
@@robc5051 what cope? He's universally disliked.
Deserved
@@yukiterumi7371 more like Leffen lol
Did leffen have somewhere to be or something?
Yeah. He had to go back on Twitter so that he could bitch about being crap at Tekken and how streaming is harder than minimum wage jobs.
@@The_SafeKeeper actually he had to go win the melee grand finals
@@The_SafeKeeper Hahaha oh shit did leffen say it was harder than min wage jobs?? Plsss send the link thats fucking insane
@@brxjams8855 Sure, here you go: staticg.sportskeeda.com/editor/2020/10/d44f6-16017254563140-800.jpg
There's even a section on Leffen's wiki page about the drama.
I see a Leffen grand final and I watch...
Edit: that silent crowd speaks volumes though
2 EVO tittle in 2 diff games .. insane
2 extremely different types of games too
It's because winning evo is easy, i would do it but i'm too busy
@@whosaidiwantedahandlekeyboard warriors these days😂
strive and smash are both party games so.. not that surprising really
@@weirdo911awain't no way you called both of the most played EVO games part games
I have never seen such a middling crowd response at evo.
Cuz american is losing
@@shutup1037nah its cause no one likes leffen
@@shutup1037 no it’s because happy chaos won evo and they also hate Leffen
@@roachewyWas Leffen the only player allowed to use HC?
@@FBlJust the only one desperate enough to.
6:54 and the crowd goes mild
XD
LMAO camera man swapped that pan real quick.
a double perfect in grand finals… wtf
the ghost of the melee scene at EVO came back to slap anime in the face
yeah that shouldn't be happening unless the character is busted lol
@@SubliminaIMessagesas a person who doesn’t follow guilty gear is he actually busted? If I look at tier lists he never seems to be at the top
@@Creampanthers I'm not sure what tier lists you're looking at, but Happy Chaos is at the top of pretty much every top player tier list.
Paid off
Would've been cool to see HC dittos between Leffen and Umisho. The narrative would have been way more interesting
I think melee has helped leff so much in scrambles and reads is being able to convert in mixey situations with close frame tight reactions and reads thats rather rare in classic fgc games
Playing fighting games for 20+ years helps player do well fighting game.
Truly innovative.
@@traycarrotyeah to add to this Leffen has played fighting games since he was young. When he was banned from all of European smash he switched over to Marvel vs Capcom 3. But as the first guy said Melee in particular has uncountable scramble situations like literally every interaction is a scramble
@@traycarrot if you boil anything down to it's basic elements, everything will sound stupid. What an incredibly ignorant statement lmao. Where are the other players that have been playing FGC for 20+ years lol..
So we are a fighting game now? Can't have it both ways...
Playing a character that can convert into a wallbreak on every hit also helps.
6:56 that girls expressionles face lol she dont give a HOOT 😂
dude how the fk did you realize that
@@vaporizel its when ya got that attentive eye of sauron 👁
Wait so is this Wumbo William or Huge Hjelte?
This is a question that neither Smash nor FGC will ever figure out..
Ignoring all the "CARRIED" stuff about HC, we can all agree that in-game (gun goes "BANG, BANG") AND in the GG canon (The Original) he's pretty much the strongest character of them all.
Happy chaos is pretty broken tbh
I wouldn't say carried. Didn't leffen make it to grand finals of another evo for strive with a different chip? Don't think it's necessarily carried if the dude is doing well with multiple characters.
Hc its tier 0 in strive right now
@@limitedbom2206He got to Winners Finals and then lost Winners and Losers Finals
@@Michael-hc2hp Just looked it up. Evo 2021 he got to grand finals. So the dude got to grand finals, winners/loser finals the next year, then won the whole thing this year and people say carried by character? Yea ok.
He really is incredible. Winning a supermajor in Melee and winning Evo in Guilty Gear within the space of a month has to be one of the greatest fgc achievements ever.
No ?
@@KyryanRosethis is really unprecedented. melee is practically a different genre of game, its almost as good as winning guilty gear + quake
@@KyryanRose yes
@@KyryanRose Yes, objectively.
@swank8508 bahaha not even. Melee is a fighting game undeniably it just isn't EXACTLY like trad fighters so it's a different genre? Lol
wow i suffered from insomnia until i watched this, thanks so much
everyone say he cant do it than make excuses for when he does it LOL
He actually couldn’t though.
@@GrayD_Fox he literally did it tho
Usually I like to root against Leffen during Smash tournaments.
But when he’s playing Strive I root for him. Let’s go Big Leff!
Yeah outside of using a top tier character he's honestly the underdog in this scenario. It's kind of hype to see someone who comes from a completely different scene absolutely stomp the grand finals of a game that plays very differently.
@@callumanderson6373Yah what an Underdog, quite literally only chooses top tier characters, he doesn’t even like the characters he plays he just picks them based of meta, hes a super boring player to watch and Idk where you think hes an underdog, mans kind of a punk in the community
@@fightedmealready2692 he's a punk but he also doesn't specialize in this game. He's a melee player up against a guilty gear veteran. Picking top tiers is lame but it's still somewhat impressive that he is a top player in not one but two fighting games.
@@callumanderson6373 I don’t get how people say he doesn’t specialize in Guilty Gear when he has been competing and streaming the game for almost 2 years now. Like i get he was originally a smash guy but at this point hes as much invested in strive than anything else. I don’t think hes a bad player by any means, i just think hes super carried
@@fightedmealready2692imagine ragging on top tiers in evo grand finals get a life lmao
so close to ending that final game on a perfect as well
Look at all the scrubs in comments hating on someone who won evo when they themselves cant even place at locals LOL
Look at you riding Dck for a living
@@pacepicante6952 Theres a difference between criticism and jealousy. You idiots just can't be happy for someone that probably put more effort into something that you yourself can never do.
Love Leffen as a player, doesn’t mean I have to like his personality
@@pacepicante6952 I mean most of the criticism is about how he pushes buttons so yeah being good at it applies here
Relative to his gameplay I don't think it's been an issue for melee or strive, he's a great fgc player. Relative to his personality he is very toxic he has on several occasions specifically bullied disabled people, as recently as like 2020 when he corroborated rumors he knew likely knew to be false about Mew2King
Happy chaos has been unanimously agreed upon by the community to be top 1 yet hasn’t been significantly nerfed since his release. Good job arcsys
They seriously nerfed his ability to zone at full screen, he is just still very strong.
copium
cry more
@@no_nameyouknow He can still zone just fine.
Him, Ram, Leo, May and Nago need to die. They’ve been top since second patch of year 1 strive XD
The bad guys do win sometimes...
Most balanced fighting game
I think most people agree Strive is very balanced for a fighting game.
@@EtholuxTake Happy Chaos out and it is.
@@Etholuxthere is a 8 years old game named tekken 7 with more balance that strive,strive is not balance at all
As long as everyone plays HAPPYCHAOS, and select other characters(X) ....sandbags for your training .Don't care other sandbags feeling, just play the balanced STG FPS~
@@ZazankoVT cant go to an evo without a tekken 7 fanboy
LMAO screw the crowd. Good ish on Leffen. Having 2 Evo dubs on 2 vastly different games is nothing short of legendary. And he made it look so easy.
"A god of war who forgot how to lose" - Pretty fitting for Leffen.
HC killed my enthusiasm for this game long time ago.
Scrub
For real
Cool stuff to Leff, but whenever I have someone ask me “Why do you not like Strive?”, I literally just show them this. A 5 minute grand finals is ludicrous. There’s not even enough time to enjoy the game.
It's because 1 player got mollywhopped, did you watch the video?
My man got double p'd game 1 lmao beyond rocked
Plenty examples of nail-biter GFs in this game, it just didn't happen at this tournament. Sometimes it do be like that and it can happen in every fighting game.
U don’t like strive bc someone got completely gapped in a grand finals?
strive matches (not only competitive ones) are short as fuck for some reason
i hate that about strive
Bro as a smash player I’m genuinely embarrassed reading these comments. The superiority complex these guys have for smash just because a smash player way better than them is good at several games is crazy. No wonder the rest of the fgc community hates us lol
Strange that leffen can start playing a game and take an evo 3-0 in a couple of years and still struggles to win normal majors in melee. Hmm. Maybe the skill ceiling for an almost 20 year old game is higher than a recently released one.
@@mcadminbro2139that has to be the most brainless comment I've ever read. The age of a game has no relevance to difficulty. Melee is a happy accident, strive is a game that everything is intentional.
Yea honestly who cares. If you enjoy your game you enjoy your game. It's not a battle of who's games better lol
As a smash player, I agree, but it’s also kinda fucked that the people opposite those guys are just trying to discredit the win as much as possible. You can’t win a 2500 person bracket purely off of your character pick, anyone who says otherwise is just hating to hate
@@kona7043 It's only brainless because you completely missed the point. The ceiling for Melee IS way, WAY higher than Strive or any other FG. It's easily one of the most technically demanding games, it might even be the most, but that's a matter of opinion. Saying SSBM is harder than Strive tho is just fact
As a massive leffen hater, I have to give him credit. Dude is cracked at video games... for whatever thats worth. Had he not just won a melee major a few weeks before this I could at elast say he was slacking on melee for strive but no. Dude wins a melee super major (granted it was an invitational) and then wins another evo title.
“For whatever it’s worth” well it’s where he makes his money so I’d say it’s worth his living. Lol
Dude... He quit Tekken and he's not even a Guilty Gear player. He'd get fucked so hard in XRD and XXAC+R, every zit on his face would pop and he wouldn't stand even REMOTELY a chance. He wouldn't even make top 100.
@@capellozapellini6074 Definitely not worth being a shitty human being for.
He plays happy chaos you cant call him cracked..he got destroyed in tekken, and in sf6 at kumite and said f this game. Hes a scrub who doesnt deserve followers
I still remember hearing about how Japan strongly believed HC is weak. I don't know if that's changed before this but good god if a grands double perfect doesn't prove anything about the character and the people good at piloting him.
Yeah that perception changed by the time evo jp happened
i know im late but id honestly say when it comes to competitive games in general don't trust a regions opinion on the game just because they're really good at it. Like for example in league Korea dominates mechanically but you'll see them pull the dumbest builds or have the worst macro.
People don't seem to realise the difference between being the best character on a tier list... and being the best character for a tournament.
HC has done well in tournaments, but he's a high execution character that is harder to play in large formats.
Sajam made this point. The drop off of playing a character like HC at 80% or 85% of his max is much more than playing Ram or May at 80% or 85%. This is why you don't see a never ending run of HC in grand finals.
Guity Guear Strive is: Whoever puts the opponent in the corner of the screen first wins the match
Same for SF6
@@doomslayer8985no
i mean yeah ggst damage scaling is so horrible for one mistake you do 50% of your health bar gone and its stupidly easy to connect combos on wall break like whoever starts the match good it just takes the W, horribly unbalanced game@@Thiago-Alboneti
The Leffen is loosing to a character on twitter and unleashing a massive amount of tweets complaining about only to main that character then win Evo
Its about sending a message lol but that is a bit scummy cant wait to play him after the nerfs on season 3 tho I wanna play matches with him
@@mik-hail7910He did something similar in melee when he complained about a character in Melee for like a decade only to pick up a character that beats Marth 6-4. I think my favorite Leffen moment was when he lost to Hungrybox (at a LACS) Shakes his head during the set then speed runs down to the casters to complain. He said something to the effect of "He only beat me because I'm so good at the matchup"
@@loganreidy7055 also can't deny his good tho. But when happy gets pot busted and Johnny gets released the game would be in a much better spot........ Probably
@@mik-hail7910Hopefully! Strive is a very visually striking game and fantastic to watch
Its evo do what you gotta do to win
Friendly reminder to anyone, both players can select any character. They can both pick the same top tier and do a mirror but it was the players preference not to do so. It's a tournament with 10k on the line I believe for first place. Anything goes
also dont worry daisuke will buff happy chaos after this as a prize for the winner just like last evo, he's really a forward thinker like that.
Leffen is truly the GOAT, winning 2 different games at evo is insane
what's the other one?
for real he only won this game 2023
@@Project-ey1cmhe won melee a couple years ago
@@gradel7372 yea, 2018
Can't do it in tekken
Long time melee fan, long time Leffen hater. However, this man has grown a lot and his skill is undeniable. Let's go Leff!
Sounds like you have always been a Leffen lover tbh. Leffen is an utterly garbage person and if you disliked him, him winning a damn tourney wouldn't make you 180 and root for him. Stop trying to spread this false narrative that people flip for Leffen lmfao
whenever i have a bad day i just watch this and it instantly puts a smile on my face the crowd reaction to leffen winning might be the funniest thing ive ever seen
What fight stick was Leffen using?
Both players are amazing otherwise they wouldn’t be on EVO
But man was this set unengaging to watch especially compared to the madness that was ArcSysWorldTour earlier this year.
you know everyone can go to evo right?, literally anyone can enter, you should have said "they wouldnt be at grand finals"
He popped off for a second then realised no one in the crowd likes him
I adore how unhappy the crowd was. Let's go, Big Leff; Surgical Grands.
Shutting the home crowd up is the best feeling :D
The home crowd was unhappy because we know from the Smash community that Leffen is toxic as hell. We don’t want him to be part of our community.
@@vernaltearcry more
My god, people do not understand how terrible Leffen is as a person
@@Abaddon_Narukami LMFAO you don't talk to a lot of real people then
Hell yeah BIG LEFF!!! Dude is such a talented gamer
Nobody makes my blood boil more than leffen, he will never have my respect
What a depressing way to end Season 2. Hope Season 3 fixes everything now that they're stealing mechanics from good fighting games (SF6).
It's very sad to analyze this match, because so very little of it was actually adapting to the other player respectively. Leffen was just playing Chaos with a few tricks here and there, but 90% of his gameplan was the exact same. He got away with so much for doing the exact same thing this set that his opponent literally got a perfect against him through sheerly punishing his bad habits, whereas Leffen got 2 perfects in a row simply because his opponent was dealing with a character that just had a lot more spacing and aggression tools than he had. Nago was actually absurdly aggressive that patch, too, just as proof for how much the character itself specifically was walling him off. I can appreciate some of Leffen's more creative use of space and RCs, but I'm not going to congratulate a man for perpetually backdashing and converting into half health combos off of the most undeserved stray hits I've seen in any match. It's no wonder he gets squashed in games like Street Fighter 6 consistently, and that he's been performing incredibly worse recently since a lot of Happy Chaos checks have been more meta this patch
I came back to watch this since there's been a lot of discourse from the HC community about how he's now mid-tier, but he still gets some of the best results because they're just gods of the game. And yeah just like you're saying it seems like Leffen can play the most thoughtless neutral since HC beng lets him cover the whole screen, convert from anywhere, and pretty much end the neutral phase on a whim. Like HC players go on and on about how hard he is to execute, but none of them acknowledge how much he simplifies the decision making process relative to the rest of the roster. His shit just works on everyone with little to no specific matchup knowledge required. And then when he's slightly nerfed, and his players are forced to interact with a more potent cast, their lack of FG chops show a lot more clearly since they can't just steamroll with uninteractive bullshit.
@@culturemanoftheages absolutely agree. Execution barriers don't change the fact that decision-making is the heart of fighting game skill. If you remove that from a game, you're just mechanically better than every other character that respects that rule. Very glad Chaos is a respectable mid tier and now has to navigate games by actually playing neutral
Damn 5min grands either leffen is THAT cracked or happy is just THAT broken lol. Props to leffen tho
It's a little bit of both. He was good in Fighters and Smash. But here he has a character that can do what he always wished he could. Skip neutral by having full screen fast attacks.
You have to understand that NBNHMR is a great player, one of the best. He has no problem beating HC and has in fact beat Leffen in the past. This day Leffen was on point tho.
Both
@@GuitarSlayer136 You might have a point if he wasn't known for being the best in this matchup and eating HC for breakfast
@GuitarSlayer136 Because the character doesn't play themselves. HC's tools are outright better, but more than that, Leffen knows how to optimize. I've seen other HC players that spend ALL their time full screen, whereas Leffen was in his opponent's face the whole set. Not once did I think in all of the 5 minutes that got played that Leffen was carried by his character choice. None of the games were close enough to tell.
Congrats to Leffin on winning the 2023 EVO Championship for GG:Strive! Also, it cool to hear that he won a trophy in SSB and GG: Strive which are 2 COMPLETELY styles of games.
They're both party games LMAO
@@malacara1335cope
@@malacara1335coping
Another squash. Must feel nice to be in grands at least.
From Melee to Strive this man Leffen is indeed talented
🫤
Next Evo champion will be HC again bet
Oh what a surprise, a happy chaos player winning again the evo, the same of 2022, and who you think is gonna win the 2024 evo? Of course another happy chaos player
I missed the finals cuz I was busy so when I tried finding the vid to watch it I thought this was the wrong one cuz it’s way too short to be grand finals
"I will win Evo"
It's times like this that I wonder wtf was Arcsys thinking when they made HC, did they watch the boring-broken matches of Injustice 2 and think "WE NEED THAT!!!"
When happy chaos was announced I really thought he looked cool as fuck, once I opened the game, i got graped so bad every single time I went against a hc. Yeah I'm a scrub cause I dropped this game for sf6 now but I'm happier lmao
Best Zoning, Best buttons, Best mix in the game - HAPPY CHAOS 😂
may
@@Diamondsucks.Not really. May's top tier for sure, but playing neutral or defense against her isn't infuriating like Happy Chaos is. May's strength comes from having some of the strongest damage and conversions in the game. Nerf her unreasonable damage and she instantly becomes more fair. Happy Chaos, though...
Neutral: gun
Offense: just use unreactable roll lmfao
Seriously, his offense is some of the most infuriating shit to deal with because of that one move alone. He does one unreactable special in his 20 second long blockstring, and suddenly, MAGICALLY, I'm being carried to the other side of the wall with half my health bar deleted.
Seriously, his bad defense doesn't even matter due to the fact that YRC exists, and he has very good buttons after that. May is nowhere close to the level of bullshit that Happy Chaos brings.
Its so odd to see people try to downplay these achievements. What kept the opponent from picking Happy Chaos too? Why WOULDNT you go for the strongest option available when you're trying to win a professional match?
Cus it's boring@@janah6473
@@janah6473they don’t jive with his character or play style? Yeah high level means playing optimized, but not everyone’s going to want to play *THE STRONGEST* character.
Not like I’m trying to downplay Leffen’s achievement, I just don’t like your argument for why
Not minimizing the win, but HC is sleep.
Leffen got that dawg in him
that boy nbn was destroyed inside by the second match it was already over.
Leffen tried SF6 earlier this year and got squashed
Interesting to see him kill it at Strive
Game is trash
Game IS trash, hope they fix it on S3 because this shit's so depressing.
People so mad that leffen won LOL. STAY FREE
The crowd and commentary could not be more bias against leffen. Bro got two perfects and i heard crickets hahaha
It’s more biased against HC; how can a character stay so relevant that he wins evo back to back??
Truly the Happy Chaos of all FG
People that criticize Smash for being not a fighting game don’t realize how much fundies transfer over.
Melee is very tech heavy so heavy execution, then the neutral is extremely in-depth both great transferring qualities
You say that like winning evo in 2 different games is huge feat. Players like justin wong have multi titles. Not to discredit leffen but you cant say that its insane just for winning evo twice.
Yeah, JWong has them singles titles in marvel 2 and marvel 3. A bit different in super smash bros melee and guilty gear strive, no?
@@thuroria7631 marvel 2, 3, sf titles and a couple others
It’s still super impressive and only accomplished by a handful of people
@@sonicboom722
If you count teams.
Platform fighters are very different from traditional fighters. It'd be like if a Tekken player won Street fighter
Not an easy game...🤺🔥
Yeah. I mean all he did was run away and press a single button during neutral.
Strive elementals, what are you doing?
Leffen from Melee background really making a big statement
LETS GO BIG LEFF
Does this game even have neutral? never watched it but looks like 90% punish, marvel 3 has more neutral.
There's a myth about it being the "neutral-based fundies" GG which is really ironic since it has some of the least neutral of any FG in general, even other GG games.
Damn seeing HC win Evo is kinda extremely lame.
It's easy to win GGS when everyone else is playing Street Fighter 6
7 minute grand finals? Lol I don’t think a single round took more that 30
Seconds
congrats that was a really strong performance
Happy Chaos won again? Yeah…. He needs a major nerf
Yeah like honestly who wants to see the same character win in multiple stages or places. Love to see different characters really be fleshed out
Well, Happy Chaos is The Original, isn't he? It's like fighting God the Son.
top player in melee and guilty gear, crazy
What a dominant play.
Nerf Happy Chaos. Both players are extremely skilled and know exactly how to play the set yet always somehow Chaos comes out on top with his broken damage and broken mix
Does nobody care about Guity Gear, or is this just Evo now? Crowds for Melee used to be louder than this.
Its just strive being boring I suppose
Or people hating hc
The real set of the tournament was Leffen vs Pepperysplash. I wanted to be a Big Leff hater but after that set you really have to hand it to him
What other evo title did leffen win?
Melee in 2018
nerf happy chaos
The hate on Leffen is insane, coming from losers who probably never touches the games💀💀💀💀💀
Good tournament overall but Happy Chaos is such a Broken character.
I don't understand the game but if he's so broken then why no one else picking him in top 6?
@@MartinBergnerGuitarpeople don't want to say it, but getting the most out of HC can be hard with understanding negative edge as well as managing both your bullets and concentration. Aside from that, he is increadibly busted, don't let the downplayers slide.
@@MartinBergnerGuitarBacklash. Umisho had already won majors with HC but decided not to use him for whatever reason, I can only assume that it's because everyone HATES the character, and at high level it feels like you're getting carried (you are) since Strive is not a hard game even if HC is one of the hardest to use in the game.
@@MartinBergnerGuitar Because at the end of the day you still need to work to get the most out of the best character. Make no mistake, people picked HC on the earlier parts of the tournament, all but leffen got eliminated.
NBHNR didn't even get to play 😭
holy shit leffen my GOAT
I don’t understand how anyone can still get excited about this game. It’s like watching bayonetta in smash 4. Snooze fest.
Cause there’s more than just this one match