The Trans Psych Episode
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ก.ย. 2024
- I know, you know, that this episode might be stretching the truth. I know, you know, that it might be playing with the proof. Embrace the representation, see what they intend, the worst takes will psych you out in the end.
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Forever disappointed that Castle wasn't about the incompetent police being helped by a sentient castle
@JN-so6wt Yanno, I didn't have much interest in the Sopranos before I read this.
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Generally, you can assume that if Lassie is saying something, the show is against it.
Shawn is 50/50
Shawn is also pretty sexist near the beginning and it's very cringey to rewatch in modern times. He "gets better" but it takes a few seasons so ymmv if you feel like sitting through it.
Also worth mentioning that Shawn's cop dad is pretty explicitly not great at parenting. The show is one of the few cop dramas that's actually critical of the cops, typically depicting them as much less competent than Shawn.
Agreed
Lassiter being demeaning and/or disrespectful to people/communities is definitely shown as a character flaw for him and not the shows views on a subject
@@Rathdrgnknight Yep shawns dad is a great likable character, but also explicit his questionable parenting did put a distance between them that just gradual by his dad retired , helps him out anyd by that. And its, taking a bit to have them rekindle that, due his not great parenting.
But also shawn can be quite a dick in the show too especially earlier episodes. That makes it preobably easier that he is quite a jackass as gus calls out plenty enough. Not in thet words but at least he gets called out somewhat ok.
And the department knows for the most part that shawn is making stuff up but also really helpful, so most, go along. Why i dont like that juliet was disapointed when that became a drama point, because most of the department stopped caring what shawn does other than helping and just doesnt ask. She should know, oh he does maybe not honest but its very charming, not believe him that much regarding his psychic stick.
Yeah very strange to present that as if the show endorsed it. Skipping the dynamic of the show sure helped with misrepresenting it I guess. Plenty to call out without doing so.
@@Rathdrgnknight Henry is bad at expressing his emotions, but from watching season 1 I can't call him a BAD father, sometimes hes a dick but a lot of his lessons were actually effective, my fav being from the Poker episode
I think there’s another trans psych episode later on in the seasons that’s more respectful but this one… the cast is on record of admitting they fucked it up.
I came here basically to say this.
@@tsalVlog do either of yall know the specific episode? i enjoyed the show as a kid but i want to tread lightly
That’s actually really cool because in the context of the time I don’t think they did that bad of a job. Obviously it could have been better but, as we’ve seen with a lot of other shows coming out at the time it could have been significantly worse
This is actually great to hear. I loved the show back in the day. And it's nice that it was very for it's time, but the people involved are open about how they still really should have been better.
@@dee7352 I thought I replied to this but I must not have sent it. I can’t seem to find the episode I was thinking of. I will say that there’s another problematic episode in season 7, but arguably less-so? I can’t make that argument myself, but my trans kid has said as much.
Generally speaking, the show was written in a time when far more problematic stuff was going on, and if you watch, they did a really good job of avoiding being outright terrible - they just didn’t always succeed. The positive light on it is that they know it and own it.
tbf with monk, he is in fact a detective and not just some guy with OCD. he worked with... i want to say sfpd before the beginning of the series, and quit after being unable to solve his wifes murder. idk i just really like the show because there's this whole running theme of monk moving through the grieving process, and trying to redefine himself without the one person he loved most in the world. also, shockingly well handled portrayal of neurodivergence for a show from the oughts
And a great ace relationship (Monk and Monk-wife). It was great outside the fridging.
@@availanila yeah... at least it's not the most heinous fridging I've seen but that still don't make it okay
It was the SFPD! At the end of Psych some of the characters move to San Fran and they make a comment about how there’s this one detective they use there that’s weird, so they’re already full up on quirky detectives in the city. What I wouldn’t have given for a crossover episode growing up lol
@@averyemlTHERES STILL TIME FOR CROSSOVER. Psych is still making movies and Monk is getting a movie!!! THERES HOPE. We need psych/monk/chuck crossover
It's actually filled with a lot of ableism. I was doing a rewatch recently and the ableism is everywhere
It's so wonderful you asked people with DID for feedback! You're the type of people we need in writing rooms!!
oh this episode is so interesting in psychs catalogue, its one of the few really...mean spirited ones id say? Early psych especially isnt flawless but it was generally much niver and less invested in being edgy than most tv of its time, which is part of what gave it such a lasting fanbase. I havent finished the vid yet so sorry if you bring it up, but the creators and actors on the show i believe have spoken about this episode and their regrets with its inaccuracies in portraying both DID and transness, definitely the worst possible episode to introduce you to psych. I do think this episode does a better job at portraying DID than something like criminal minds (a show i hate) but god there was no good way to do this concept, especially in 2006. Theres a much longer psych deep dive i watched recently made by a long time psych fan that also goes into this episode in an interesting way. Ok going to finish the video now
i rewatched psych last year or so, & they also had this streak of using gay is a derogatory way a few times that was unfortunately still common at the time of filming. it was really like, "woah yeah. that was normal back then enough to be in a big show & have a main character say it", even though i watched the show as it aired i didn't recall that bit at all.
then again i have a bad memory so lol nice to hear that at least some people who were on the show/ made it regret those choices.
@@MossTunic they did make shawn a semi toxic man in the very beginning but as it went on they dropped it and he's actually very flirtatious with men
@@KSan357 very good point! :> that's very true.
Yeah, early seasons are a bit of a mixed bag tbh, but generally speaking, when they screw up it's more out of ignorance than being actively mean-spirited.
Would you name drop the deep dive you mentioned? I'd love to watch it.
It's been a while, but to my recollection their disgust isn't with the idea of gender reassignment surgery, it's with the idea of a Cis man having it involuntarily done to him by his woman alter.
this. i feel like the trans rep in this episode wouldn’t be bad at all for the time period if the DID rep wasn’t so atrocious. the shows portrayal of regina was relatively positive it just all falls apart when u add in the inaccurate portrayal of DID and an “evil alter”
My hot take about this episode is that, as bad as the DID rep is, it was doing it a lot better than other media at the time. They unfortunately still made one of alters the bad guy, but even though the alter was an asshole, he wasn’t evil and he wasn’t a serial killer or anything. He only killed the doctor because he felt like he couldn’t otherwise stop Regina from getting the surgery. Probably the only thing the show could have done, outside of not doing the episode all together, is to not have any murders at all. Just show the “ghosts” part of the episode, and maybe show that the alter is getting more and more desperate to get attention or stop Regina from going through with the surgery. That would have also helped with my other gripe with Psych-they have a murder in almost every episode….even if it’s not really needed. Even in the episodes that don’t start with a murder, someone usually gets killed at some point in the episode
Everyone talks about things that Timothy Omundson has been in, but nobody ever mentions Luck of the Irish, where he played an evil leprechaun.
I was thinking the same thing! He was in Psych before all those other shows, so when I first saw him in Psych I was like, it’s the Luck of the Irish villain! And idk if Timothy is actually Irish, but I thought it was funny when Shawn mentioned Lassiter’s Irish heritage in the show.
No way, Galavant mentioned!! Ah, how were we robbed...
whole mood
Timothy had a stroke, that pretty much ended it
I gotta watch that show again. I remember watching the first couple of episodes when it came out and it just not grabbing me but since then I have only ever heard it referred to as this like fantastic hidden gem of a show
Richard is the best.
@@sethpeck7179 Ratings ended it. I think the stroke happened after it was cancelled for the second time. You can pretty much see in s2 all the comments they make and how they basically are quite sure this'll be their last time on air so they're just going to have as much fun as possible while they still can (and it's amazing).
per: "they ask regina to let robert come back out. that's not exactly how that works per se, to be honest, from what i've heard"
it absolutely can work like that, though with that particular system it very likely indeed wouldn't, as they clearly don't rly have any real communication. and with DID systems specifically it might not in general either, we wouldn't know, but with our OSDD-1b system that is pretty much how it actually works yea. but for that to be how it works you have 2 have really good communication between headmates
I don't want to come off as rude, but if you don't mind me asking, I feel like I've heard of a lot of systems using really science fiction-y terms and stuff to refer to things. I've got super limited experience with this stuff, but it's something I feel like I've picked up on.
Is there any specific reason for that? Like is it a common way to organize things or is it just casual personal preference or something? Again, I'm new to all of this so I'm sorry if this comes off as rude, I'm just really curious about why people seem drawn to sort-of framing things in this way, if that makes sense.
Don't feel like you have to answer or anything, it's just something interesting I'm just now picking up on.
@@dracocrusher would appreciate some examples as to what you consider sience fiction-y terms
@@frogtrenchcoat Like here, where you mentioned the "OSDD-1b" system. Maybe I'm off base, but it feels like a really technical sounding term for it, right? And I know my voice coach has a similar thing going on where they use dots and &'s in their username while also having a really technological aesthetic to them.
Sorry if this sounds like an odd thing to notice, but from an outside perspective even the term 'System' sounds really technological, like there's a lot of stuff that feels related to computer imagery going on if that makes sense.
Again, I'm super new to all of this so apologies if anything here comes off wrong.
@@dracocrusher well OSDD-1b is just the acronym for the name of the diagnosis, "otherwise specified dissociative disorder" with 1a and 1b being the notations that distinguish between two subtypes. that's something the doctor's made up, not us. the "&" is just a convenient symbol for multiplicity, just a shortening for "plural" or "and there's also other people involved here that you may not be aware of because we're all in the same body". system is just a word that the definition of fits us. like if you look up the definition you'll get "a regularly interacting or interdependent group of items forming a unified whole". and yea that one is kinda sci-fi sounding, but it's accurate.
as for myself, im autistic in a way where i don't really distinguish between big, technical, complicated words and small, casual, simple words. it's all just.. words, to me. unless it's very obvious i can't even tell when im using "big" words, so my speech sounding technical is probably just a me thing.
@@frogtrenchcoat Huh, okay, that makes sense.
I've never heard of that before so I just assumed it was like a thing you specifically went by or like a common way to handle things. So looking at things from the outside it was like "Huh, I wonder if there's a thing here", lol!
the fact u uploaded this while im watching psych LOL
Same!
Unfortunately the second DID episode pysch has describes a male alter as “a crazed woman who thinks she’s a man” and has the system “cured” with a medication by the end of it. Compared to that episode, this one has really good representation
Man I forgot all those parts. I think when I watched it I was more focused on Gus' arc which.... made me like hum a lot less. Just because having him even temporarily take on the role of orderly who is being told time and again that he's behaving inappropriately with someone given the context of their interactions and the power dynamic therein and him just.... ignoring them.... didn't like that. Not a fan.
oh no way i totally forgot abt that episode but you’re absolutely right, this is much better representation compared to that mess 🤦🏻♂️
@@adamaris1760 that's the third episode. The second one it's really only briefly mentioned, and IIRC its not explicitly stated that she had DID, like it could have been some other issue hence why she is fine now after meds. They think she is having an alter or hallucination so they don't believe him but he's a real guy.
They HUH
This is probably just a lack of context thing but i think you completely misunderstood the characters. Lassie's whole shtick is that he's unreasonable and rude. When he calls people nutjobs it can probably be safely assumed the writers think that's a bad way to refer to people. You could probably make the argument that Shawn and Lassie are character foils. They are both good detective but while Lassie is insensitive and typically malicious Shawn is more attuned to people and generally when Shawn hurts someone it's because he's being thoughtless.
A good example would be that Shawn is a fantastic shot but only uses a gun a couple of time in the show, generally preferring to talk himself out of situations. One of the only times he does use a gun they are in a car chase and Shawn shoots the car instead of the driver. In contact there is an episode where Lassie talks about pulling his gun on a cat for "approaching too aggressively". Even the other cops think shooting a cat would be over the line.
I completely understand if this was the only episode you watched and the show certainly isn't beyond reproach but the strain of media criticism where people complain about characters being bad without any thought to framing or characterization is a personal pet peeve. All characters shouldn't be morally correct at all times if for no other reason than that it would incredibly boring.
Yes this is so well worded and exactly what I was thinking
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Exactly
It's gotta be more than missing context. The opening father/son scene is described here as if his dad would've been proud of Shawn if he'd hit the other kid with the rock and cuts it off there. But in the episode, his dad tells him that he has to find better ways to address his problems and sends him out to talk it out with the kid. That bit was deliberately misrepresented as pro-violence.
honestly thank you for this comment because psych is my special interest show and I know the episode they're talking about and its yeah... not great... but like that's honestly the worst episode in the show. Sometimes I find it hard watching others commentary on my SpIn shows, because their opinions suck or they misunderstand it a lot, and knowing that's what is being done here you spared me the trouble of watching this and then getting upset and ranting about it lol. Framing the show as something bad bc of one episode and some asshole characters WHO ARE INTENDED TO BE ASSHOLES, (although, Lassie turns around in the end. He's a lovable sternbush lol.) would've hurt me. People do that with Always sunny a lot which is also a big interest show of mine and it bugs me bc they're misunderstanding it.
Not the drawing of Gus on the white board 😭
King Richard did not need to be as fine as he was. I've yet to find a show that fills the same niche as Galavant.
If you like musical shows, I'd recommend Crazy Ex Girlfriend.
Schmigadoon is good too
@@ca1904yeah but it ended too ;-;
@@hannahbrennan2131 That too, but also richard kinda becoming chosen but having no idea and growing on his own in real healthy confidence is amazing.
Not quite that narrow niche, but also musical comedy: Zoey's Extraordinary Playlist. Though I remember not really liking the ending.
The representation of the trans sex worker in 'Deez Nups' really made me sad when I recently rewatched this show 😢
I was going to comment about this episode as well. They drop the trans woman sex worker off at a church which speaks volumes to the audience which absolutely sucks.
THIS IS THE EPISODE I THOUGHT SHE WAS COVERING AND IM CRUSHED ITS NOT
same, i’ve been rewatching psych and personally that episode hurt me more as a longtime fan because as compared to this episode it felt like the only purpose of including a trans woman was that her being trans WAS the butt of the joke (and to add on top of that the episode aired way later)
@@mrs.eileen8620 It was a play on Gus always saying that people "need Jesus". Sucks that they used the joke on a transwoman though...
Hi! Trans host of a system here. I remember watching this episode when I was 13 or 14, before I knew that I was either trans or part of a system, and even then I remember being rather uncomfortable with the whole thing. I haven't really seen anybody talk about it at all, so I'm really glad you made this video. I hope it can help people learn more about both transgender issues and plural issues.
Fellow trans plural! 💖
Host of a system lol. You aren’t multiple people, you want to feel special. DID isn’t real
Recently found out I’m plural, known I’m trans for over a year though. This will be a ride I guess
4 trans plurals here now🙌
enby system here! not many of us around, but we're getting better at finding each other these days
This is not a great episode to start psych with, unfortunately, some of the early psych episodes of season 1 & part of 2 are pretty dude-bro-y shitty. Things evolve, and a lot of things get better over the series, but yeah, some not great stuff.
Lassiter, played by Timothy, is portayed as not a great person, and kinda shitty, but, since he's portayed by him, he ends up somehow likable. Theres a surprising amount of nuance as the series moves on, but watching a single episode kinda loses a lot of it, especially this episode, which i have... Many feelings about, even as someone who enjoys Psych.
That’s pretty on point. Arguably the behavior of the characters in the first two seasons helps sell their character development in later seasons. I kinda appreciate the early seasons knowing they develop and they’re just all showing their flaws early on.
I love Psych. However, didn't love the dude-bro vibes of early on, and even later there were a lot of times when Gus in particular made me dislike him. (The episode where Shawn went to the fancy mental institution particularly... also the only other time someone with DID was represented in the show. It was... less bad.)
I think it's more than starting on this episode. The opening father/son scene is described here as if his dad would've been proud of Shawn if he'd hit the other kid with the rock and cuts it off there. But in the episode, his dad tells him that he has to find better ways to address his problems and sends him out to talk it out with the kid. That bit was deliberately misrepresented as pro-violence, for some reason.
very much agree. I haven't actually watched the video because comments are saying there's missing context and the show is being painted in a negative light bc of this one bad episode which is really unfair to the show. I know it's not a perfect show, but its my special interest comfort show and I don't want to watch a video where that's the case
@@neekromancer even if for some reason henry WAS being pro-violence in that scene, I think it's important to note that henry was NOT a great father. He may have taught him helpful things along the way, but Shawn has a lot of trauma from him and their relationship is very strained and complicated. Like henry is not supposed to seem like a wonderful dad.
My wife and i bonded over this show early in our relationship and even kind of named our daughter after Juliet. But yeah, this particular episode is a rare miss. First seasons were a bit "bro-y" but they really find their stride, and the Yang episodes are peak detective tv.
"first seasons were a bit bro-y" is the perfect way to describe it lol
This is absolutely my favourite video of yours so far, I've never even heard of this show but the way you talk about DID legitimately made me cry. I've never been more aware of how we (system community as a whole) are so starved for positive content about us until I saw this video. It's clear you're tackling this with so much love and respect for the community, you are clear and concise with what you mean when explaining terms and it's obvious you did research. Very thankful for this video :)
Really respect the time you took to make sure you were informed about DID and handled the topic with respect and empathy
Oh no... The Psych episode that managed to be transphobic and inaccurate about headmates at the same time. I loved this show growing up but this episode? Really a stinker.
"inaccurate abiut headmates" just say ableist/sanist
@@partyinthecloudkingdomforgive us for wanting to be specific about anything
@@partyinthecloudkingdom It's not ableist though. It is inaccurate.
We’re a bit hesitant to leave this comment since we don’t have or want an official diagnosis but I did want to say I found the parts of this video talking about being plural and trans very refreshing. It’s not a part of my life I let many people know about since most people either assume you are dangerous or just say you’re faking but it’s nice to be reminded my experiences match up with others.
well hey i think y'all are pretty cool!
Well as a trans system I thank you for this work. Something of the episode that icks me to no end: the evil alter trope needs to go to rest. There are so many cool stories one can write with DID and I want to write some
In the Ace Attorney case with a person with DID (I'm not sure of the correct term, sorry), the blame is put on the "secret identity" (is that even a thing btw? And, again, I really don't know the correct terms) by the real criminal, and as someone who doesn't know anything about this situation, I found it more narratively interesting, honestly.
It led to a more sympathetic portrayal, for once, instead of relying on "creep factor".
Anyway, I'd be genuinely interested to see what you would write about that. The only knowledge me, and most people, have of DID is schlocky horror/police drama, and this is genuinely terrible.
@@shytendeakatamanoir9740 and for bonus points, one of those alters is also trans! they never directly mention it but Kisegawa distinctly makes the higher-pitched "female" text beeps when she speaks, while the other alters make the lower "male " beeps! probably for the best that they don't adress it, better to portray it as a completely normal and healthy thing rather than the abysmal way they handled Robin's gender in the game before lol
@@jacksonpekny431 Oh, yeah! I didn't really pay attention, but this is definitely neat.
And yeah, I also thought about Robin while typing my comment. This was so bad!
@@shytendeakatamanoir9740 The character/s that have DID are also presented with negative experiences like one of the alters experiencing dissociative amnesia (and by the end of the case the other alters mention that they'll make an effort to allow him to front more often, which, i thought was very nice). But also positive ones, like how it's helped them excel as a rakugo performer.
The language they use in the game is not really accurate to appropriate modern medical terminology, and the rapid switching doesn't seem accurate imo, but it's one of the few representations I've seen of DID that isn't completely and utterly ableist. (I dont have DID ftr, so anyones free to correct me on anything. just know a few systems and am a fan of Ace Attorney so wanted to give more context for the original commenter)
@@shytendeakatamanoir9740 a system is a term for the collection of identities in one body, an alter or headmate are terms used for separate identities within a system. "In the Ace Attorney case with a plural system, the blame is put on an alter/headmate by the real criminal..."
As a (mostly) transgender system I just have to say thank you for how much care you put into this episode (I’m sure this sentiment has been echoed many times already, but it still always warms our heart when someone puts so much thought into talking about the topic)
Watching this as a system and trans feels weird and I’m not sure how to really feel about this “representation”
Yeah it's more of an attack
AYO trans system gang hewwo!!!!!
For the record, white PASSING detective, not white.
James Roday Rodriguez (the actor) is Latino, but Shawn Spencer (the character) is white. So, Lily was correct on a technicality. [Insert “I’ve heard it both ways” reference here.]
to be fair i think the character is white (both of his parents on the show are) but the actor is white passing
to be fair- both shawn's parents in the show are obviously white so there's an argument that shawn is white even though james roday rodriguez is latino
Touche to all the corrections. You're right, it's at least ambiguous.
idk if this is a problematic take but to be one hundred percent honest at some point i forgot that latino ppl aren't considered to be white until i read this comment
Currently watching this and I was thinking about how they treated trans people, incredible timing
as someone who has disassociation this episode showed the very extreme end of the condition. what might have helped it would have been a second person with a less extreme version of it, so the audience could possibly understand there is a large variation of severity when it comes to this condition.
That definitely would help. Sadly this is a show from the mid 2000s so the we’re getting is DID taking to the extreme.
It's always fun when Lisa covers a show I've watched and the grimace as you remember which episode it is.
Asking for the "The Trans Zombie Land Saga Episode" episode for the engagement.
The fact that four of the shows you mentioned at the beginning (Pushing Daisies, Monk, Forever, and currently Lucifer) are some of my favorites, calls me out
There's an extremely interesting ethical dilemma here about who gets to dictate terms for the body shared by multiple consciousnesses. Who gets to live in the body they want? Who has to suck it up and compromise?
Psych is an interesting show because, from my memory, it really never seems mean-spirited about the things it’s representing as much as it is… either misunderstanding or ignorant of certain things. And in a way, because it’s from the perspective of all these characters who are a bit flawed, that misunderstanding makes sense. But, it still can be shitty and hurtful especially when it shows certain tropes like ‘plural system with evil murder alter’ as being real in the show’s universe. Even though this episode handled things poorly, it still ends with the characters being sympathetic to the system and wanting the best for them, which is nice, but it’s still very of-it’s-time. I’d forgotten almost all about this episode, so thanks for the interesting and thoughtful analysis!
I really appreciate how Lily covered DID and systems with respect and understanding rather than Ignorance and sensationalization. (I have DID)
i just started psych recently and it took me a few episodes before i realized lassiter was the king from galavant lmao. i think it's cuz he didn't have the facial hair, my brain didn't computeit immediately lmao
did you figure it out during the war reenactment episode lol
@@zoepittengerkyriacopoulos3572 hahah that would've made sense. i think it just randomly clicked, like he did a face and i was like wait a damn minute lmao
I think "simping Lillies" like a plethora of flowers is also a version of addressing subscribers in a less simp cringe way
That makes me think of flowers that lean toward to the sun, like we’re leaning over to Lily to listen and grow. That’s because “simping Lillies” sounds so sweet to me, like simping has a different meaning here, like a weeping willow isn’t actually crying. Anyway I think it’s lovely ☺️
I’ve only watch the first season and a half of Psych but it feels like one of those shows where every character is just flawed enough the writers can capture people who agree and those who disagree especially because every character is always getting roasted.
Prettyyyy much yeah. A lot of the characters go through development, so they do get better, but most of the main characters are definitely flawed and I don’t think any of them are supposed to be representative of how you should be as a person.
i second the galavant recommendation. weird al is in a few episodes as a monk who has taken a vow of singing as opposed to a vow of silence.
Early Psych fan here. This episode is one of the lower rated amongst fans, and generally considered a rare outlier. It really doesn’t fit the shows ethos, which is leans way more playful and kindhearted.
You won’t get a lot of push back on your critiques here, because a lot of fans feel similarly about this episode. I’ve found the Psychos to be a pretty welcoming, and cool bunch.
If you’re interested in watching an episode to see if you’ll like it try “American Duos”, “65 million years off”, “Disco didn’t die…it was murdered”, “There’s something about Mira”, “lights, camera…homicidio”, “Dislodged”, “Shaun (and Gus) of the Dead”, “Tuesday the 17th”, “Hightop, fade-out”, “Feet don’t kill me now”, “Last night Gus”, “This Episode sucks”.
There are sooo many gems in this series. I hate when people cherry pick bad episodes to criticize the entire show.
well, Monk is a retired detective at least, he isnt just a guy with ocd, he was a detective with mild ocd who got worse when his wife died
i really like Psych, i was a huge fan as a teen and i still think of it fondly, but yeah this episode was a swing and a miss on both the trans and DID rep. the craziest thing for me is back in high school i took a psychology class and the teacher played *this episode* for the portion on DID. as "good representation."
tragically enough, it probably was one of the better representations of it's time 😭
Yeah, discussions of topics like that are sadly hindered by when they were made, where the world had a lot less understanding of things.
Ironically, this episode was a fairly important moment for me. The idea of: what if I woke up having had grs and it wasn't my fault?? Was a very powerful thought for me. It allowed me to externalize my desires.
The one thing i will say, to be fair to Psych, when it comes to the reaction to the subject of surgery, it looks to me, and from my recollection, like the reaction was more tied to them thinking about the idea of going through it themselves. Things like this definitely need to be made more clear when that is the reaction being had, due to societal stigmas n such, but i think it is worth accounting for.
Hey Lily, I just discovered your channel after TH-cam recommended me your South Park video, and I have been watching a bunch of your content lately ever since. I love the work you’re doing out here, and I think your videos on these pieces of trans representation media are important and entertaining. Keep being awesome :)
Psych is a strange show because Shawn is a horrible person as an established fact and is expected to kinda be a dumpster of a human in every situation...
Gus is usually supposed to be the one who keeps him in check but also tends to fall into the trap of being fairly conservative when it comes to anything outside of his little world which is usually when the show flips around to having shawn be more "open minded" about certain things
There is definitely a few episodes where they both end up being massive dickbags to everyone involved
gallivant deserves justice, best show
I once had a friend who was a system where one or more of the alters was a man, but the body and front was female and identified as a woman. However over time one of the alters became more of the front and the person began to transition more masculine in their body. I often wonder how they are doing, we were very close but I was young and we were both severely struggling w/ mental health and unsupportive family. I haven't spoke to them in over a decade... miss them
"mildly autistic super-detectives everywhere, it _hurts_ " wise words from abed nadir hehdhdjnd
with real cops I'm absolutely ACAB and I'm very open about that and I know that this is just copaganda and that real cops are shit but something in my little crow brain just goes absolutely feral for Carlton Lassiter. The other cops in the show I'm fine with but Lassie just ahshjskslsk idk. I'm autistic and my brain always has one specific character from shows it will just latch onto and with Psych, it's him.
There really is just something about Lassie- he makes my asexual lil’ heart go “okay but maybe…” and he makes me melt in other ways even though they do straight up make him out to be a squirrel hating gun nut by the end
Have you seen the Psych movies? They handle Timothy Omundson’s stroke really well and make me tear up so hard
@@averyeml dude same I'm also ace but Lassie... damn, and yeah they handled it really well.
Is it copaganda though? The entire show is the cops being unable to solve crimes and some random dude who calls himself a "psychic" has to do everything
Also except a few episodes, usually Lassiter is always criticized for his actions and ease to go aggressive. There's even an episode dedicated to that @@jordanstark5924
Psych is a weird mixed bag of a show were I think it kinda tried to do a It's always sunny thing where the main character is intelligent but he is someone who is socially incompetent that you supposed to laugh at and not agree with the methods of how he solves the cases. I guess they wanted to have a actual attempt at a proper conversation of DID and trans issues but still in the 2000s and still portray the main characters as the same way the always portrayed them which just ruins the conversation.
YES! I suggested "Lil' Simps" in the comments a while back. Great minds think alike 🙂
It's a great double entendre
AND you currently have 69 likes. Perfect, considering your comment
Since I haven't seen anyone else mention this, Psych came out four years before BBC's Sherlock 🤓; so the whole, "character POV zooming in and highlighting a clue" cliche is not original to Sherlock, but they did crank that shit to 11.
My wife just started another binge if Psych this weekend lol.
We're an OSDD system of maybe 15+ alters and we're all different flavors of non-binary. We're lucky enough to mostly be on the same page when it comes to dysphoria and transitioning things. We got top surgery 10 months ago and are all very very happy with it. honestly the biggest thing we disagree on is hair length? but even then we usually don't care enough to actually try to change it.
our sibling, also a non-binary OSDD system, does estrogen but also has a binder. I'm sure all systems can have different experiences with the gender aspect.
side note: I thought I was genderfluid at one point, before realizing that when I am different genders, I'm also different people, lol.
The alter in the show was definitely in the wrong for trying to medically transition the body without all of the other alters' consent. things with the body like that should be whole-system decisions, as much as possible. sometimes it's impossible to actually communicate with all alters. The other alter being a dangerous murderer is just another example of horrible, stereotyping representation. honestly, no rep is better than rep showing us as dangerous and crazy.
We haven't seen a whole lot of the things with DID characters because ableism is upsetting and there's not any great options that we know of. The only one I think we've seen is moon knight, which we like, but it's kinda on thin ice because of jake potentially seeming dangerous. it's nuanced.
Personally, being a system doesn't really impact us negatively like, at all? Like, the worst part about it is the trauma that caused it. But it's kinda nice for us to have a little family and support system inside our head, at all times. We always hated being alone and wished there could be someone that never left us even for a moment. and now we have that :).
I like this video and I'm glad you did research and talked to other trans systems! -a proud lil simp
Knowing how you feel about Moon Knight I'm curious what your take on Jane from Doom Patrol would be
You just keep surprising me in amazing ways
Came here thinking that a lot of people who claim to have DID are faking because it's so rare. Looked it up and estimates range from .01 - 1.5% of the population. That means in the US there are about 300k - 4.5million people with DID... Which makes it much less rare than I initially thought and makes me wonder why we call it rare
Medical rarity is defined differently than what we consider 'rare' colloquially. Also many plural people's personalities are either subtly different or don't really 'fight' over who fronts, so this disorder can often go under the detection of the public.
And that's not even accounting for OSDD and systems that can't or don't want to be officially diagnosed. We denied that we're probably a system for so long because we knew it was apparently "extremely rare" and just thought we where faking, but as we get older there's more and more symptoms that point to that probably being the case for us. Even if we call it an even 2% for OSDD or DID, that's still 2 out of every 100 people. That's wild!
thats just official diagnoses, too. many of us are undiagnosed due to financial circumstances or concern for safety. and also, as mentioned in the video, it can go very undetected. i have a late sister who, looking back, i think had DID misdiagnosed as schizophrenia and bipolar 1. i'll never know for sure but after learning more about my own disorder i see a lot of similar behavior patterns between us.
From what I heard this is the episode they regret the most and there’s an episode they regretted so much they remade it seasons later
I’m really glad you covered psych! This episode is one I cringe to rewatch because of how it affected my confidence in coming out, but besides this I relate a lot to the characters because I have hyper vigilance and was closeted like Shawn kinda was during the show. My two other complaints about the show is in the episode High noon ish they use a slur and also the hiring of ray wise in some episodes. Lastly if the show where to make it up to me they could show how Gus is in pain about JK Rowling being a bitch.
Oh my GOD Gus having to deal with his Harry Potter fandom would be great- too bad Psych is owned by Universal, so they never would 😭
Darn didn’t think of that
Good video.
I think it was worth mentioning that Gus corrected Shaun's "multiple personality disease" and properly called it Dissociative Identity Disorder. Feels dishonest to call out Shaun's language without that context, which implies the show got it wrong, not just the character.
It's an interestingly mixed episode on representation. I think for its time it was pretty far ahead of similar shows though (which is a very low bar).
Sadly I think in some ways the show got worse on representation of stuff like this in later seasons. I think they even had another DID character but this time even Gus used the wrong term :\
i just want to say, thank you so much for being so respectful towards systems and not taking potshots about "tiktok teens self dxing" and all that which a lot of other youtubers can't seem to stop themselves from doing. as a transgender person with DID, it's a huge breath of fresh air in a video about such a terrible episode of television for systems and trans people 😭
Oh shit you mean the plurality episode don’t you. Oh fuck lol
being gender fluid is not anywhere close to being a system, but I did get a little bit of a sympathy pang between the personalities inhabiting different genders. a lot of my worry about any aspects of medical transition include "what if I do something that makes girl Joey happy but boy Joey dysphoric?"
There is a better one later in the series, which was specifically done to correct this one.
Trans System here. This episode definitely feels like it is a product of its time but is trying to be helpful, but ultimately missing the mark. I think your analysis was really good
Can't wait to watch the rest of this after Galavant
I find it a little hypocritical or bad faith that you asked these systems what they'd like to see representation-wise, and they effectively answered "if a character says something misguided or offensive, have someone else correct them or explain what's wrong with what they just said" and then you made this video, with a five minute segment in which you berate Shawn for saying "multiple personality thing" without mentioning that Gus corrects him as soon as he said it.
I agree that this episode is FAR from perfect, but you edited out, what the DID systems you talked to, specifically asked for in representation, just so you could have your high horse moment.
Being in pharmaceutical sales Gus tends to know just enough that he could pitch mental health medication to doctors but not so much the show can’t write off him saying ignorant stuff as him not knowing better. Shawn probably did know the correct terminology and just pretends not to because it’s later confirmed he plays dumb about terms as a tactic / coping mechanism.
ohhh excited to watch this one! I love psych but remember this episode as being a really low point in the length of the show. Did see a good video recently by talistheintrovert where they said something that made sense, that if they removed the end of the episode it could've been so much better. (Paraphrasing to hell and back, i watched their video when it came out and have an awful memory) v much looking forward to a better dive into this focused specifically on it!
totally here for the Galavant mention lmao
I think there was another trans character in a later season, but from memory they were a throwaway sex worker? Could be misremembering. Despite that and the copaganda it is a good show I have fond memories of watching with my family growing up
Really good job with this video. DID, plurality and systems are complex topics that are so commonly misunderstood, but you have handled it very gracefully. +respect
This episode was so messed up but I still credit it with learning that being trans was a thing and helping me figure out who I am
I requested this episode and you did not disappoint! You really went above and beyond; it was fascinating hearing from the system community.
I think his saying Multiple Personality Disease was just a joke on how little he actually knew about it since everyone knows it's referred to as a disorder even in media from that time.
I forgot this episode existed until you started going through it, and I don't really remember how well they handled the trans part, but I remember it was _horrible_ about the DID 😅
18:21 yeah, Gus is really overly tolerant and sometimes enabling of all of Shawn's asshole and beyond asshole behaviour 😅
2:22 For more on this: watch skip intro’s copaganda series
You must have sensed my hesitation of runtime towards your other most recent and have kindly blessed us with options ❤
(On a lunch break)
If shows like this actually consulted mentally disabled people instead of treating us like freaks or children, I think we'd be in a much better place as a community, instead of being compared to us being one of the worst insults in our culture.
Let's gooooooo!!!!! Thank you Lily I needed one today
Yeah I was wondering when you'd get to this episode. I'm trans and plural and jesus fuck media has never done a good job with either issues and still is doing a piss poor job with plurality, which is just disheartening considering the overlap between groups brought on by how shit the world is to trans people. I just wish any media that's not a superhero thing would try take an empathetic look at DID and systems and try present us as real people who are living our shared lives. I also think it's interesting that basically zero media with plural characters has littles in it, because it's basically impossible to not make a little sympathetic. This is also somehow not the worst media I've seen that combines trans and plural identities (thanks Dressed to Kill)
Thank you for this, as a system with a bunch of genders we appreciate people talking about that kinda situation in a respectfull and informed way.
I appreciate this video. Talking about systems and plurality is a delightful surprise. Thank you
I remember loving this show but haven't watched it in a good while so I am very apprehensively very hopeful
Edit: Glad to say I'm pleasantly surprised. Then again part of that is definitely that I'm glad I _used_ to be someone that really resonated with Shawn.
This post was incredibly well timed Lily wow, I was watching this show with my mum yesterday
Edit: Welp I really hope my mum doesn't see this episode, its already bad enough 🫣
It doesn't have to do with trans rep, but my favorite detective show is Perception. It has rep of lots of mental health conditions and it show a lot of them in a pretty good light. The main character helping the FBI has schizophrenia, and as someone with schizophrenia myself, I love him as representation.
Loved this vid. Thanks for some good content to distract. I didn’t remember this ep til you mentioned Bob and my child brain didn’t see it as problematic but it’s crazy what we overlook either bc of normalization or bc children are actually pretty accepting of different minorities
YEEEESSSSS I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS EPISODE!!!
YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!
I have been waiting for this episode!
ION is known for not showing accurate or true info about DID. As someone who grew up watching a lot of ION, psych didn’t do a good job. They definitely did a way better job than Criminal Minds, who made multiple systems murderers.
Only up side for me was that it got me to actually learn about DID systems and their lives. It made me want to educate others about this issue, who also had false info like this thrown at them.
I forgot to comment on this one when I watched it so I came back to drop you a comment after watching the Glee episode
Lily, the kindness and respect you displayed in this video regarding systems / pluralities is a breath of fresh air. Thank you for doing so much research, and speaking with real life systems about our experience and viewpoint. It's so rare we get treated so well.
I remember seeing this episode before I knew about my system, or my nonrelationship with gender. I remember it made me uncomfortable in a "woah this hits too close to home" kind of way, and also made me fear admitting there are many people up in this noggin due to the whole one alter being a murderer thing. It's wild to look back at it now and be like "oooh that explains a lot".
Thank you for all your hard work,
From a very happy system ❤
As much as I love psych, it doesn’t escape the earth 2000s humor
Hi, im mtf, and i love psych
Whire the show doesn't accurately portray how the police affect society I don't feel its accurate to call the show copaganda, i would like to know how much influence a police force had on the show because I cant find anything saying they were heavily involved in how they were portrayed in the show, but that only means I couldn't find anything.
I think its much more accurate to call psych an accidental Sherlock Holmes adaptation.
I should note I personally think this is the weakest, worst, and most uncomfortable/regrettable episode in the series
yeah i think just the concept of a fake psychic civilian being able to do laps around the cops and ultimately always do their jobs better than them while being goofy and acting outrageous and then having lassie frequently be wrong and a foil to shawn (being aggressive and quick to discharge his weapon, etc) makes it feel like one of the least pro-cop cop shows to me. (also add in shawn’s deep hatred at the idea of being a cop bc of his dad lol)
omg on my way to watch galavant after this looks super fun thanks lily!!
Criminal Minds also had an Evil Trans Alter episode (I will never forgive Jackson Rathbone). Why does this have to be such a thing.
Lily Dripped up (I need that red sweater)
One thing the ep got right: I feel like every other trans person I meet is part of a system lmao. So wild to think our first real exposure to plurality representation was watching this ep as a kid
I watched Psych as it was airing and I really loved it at the time. Looking back it's wild just how rough some of the stuff was. 😬
On a much more positive note, this was aweseme! Thank you for sharing your perspective, and the input from different systems. Super informative, and a great reminder to keep questioning the way things are perceived and portrayed by media.
Love your videos!
God Psych is one of my hyper-fixation- obsession series but I haven’t watched it in so long. Before watching too much… I Guessing this will cover the episode that was also a questionable interpretation of DID.
Edit: HECK YEAH! I know my stuff!
Also, thank you so much for polling systems on this topic
yesssss, i was just clicking through your videos this morning, trying to find one i hadn't watched yet