Wowwww it's so crazy to watch this in 2022 and see how much the quality of the channel has grown since this was posted. Anyway do you want to win a $100 Gift Card for Dan's Comp?!? Go here to ENTER: dougsterbobsignup.ck.page/ba7405bca3
Can not find hardly any brands in stock anywhere , but I have found a couple 29’s ... my question is ,which would you prefer , cult devotion or stolen max ? I have found these two , both are 29 . Can’t find many reviews on the stolen brand . Thanks
Great video. Thank you for taking the time to explain each company. I've been wanting to do a brand new build soon , and was undecided on which of your top four to choose from. This helps a lot.
Kink launch gang!!! I have a kink launch with black label double walled rims, black label pegs, Haro chromoly 4 piec bars, kink gum tires, a fit seat, a marroco sprocket, I also painted my frame purple and got a new chromoly fork and my bike looks dope as fuck.
Magenta kink launch with sunday bar clamp and cult sprocket also Fit Mixtape ice blue with shadow conspiracy bb, with kink parts for now, just to get myself rolling and supporting my local bike shop at Black Tire Bike Company. Thanks for all of the tips.
loving the fitbikes! As long as its not the cheapest option, anything with the sealed front tube and double walls by fit is badass including the series 22 which for an older bmx'er like myself love to cruise the streets on. And the series 22 being about $600 has full chromo and double wall front and back and everything is sealed.
I copped a 2021 fit it’s a super nice and stable bike beautiful and strong I’m super super happy with it used to bike in 2016 getting back into the game
Waiting on fedex to deliver my 2021 Kink Whip XL, pretty excited. I do like the looks of the Switch as well for slightly more cash but I wanted a 21” top tube. My kid has a 2020 Curb that I assembled, and I was pretty impressed with it for a beginner bike, so that sealed the deal for me on what brand I was gonna get for myself.
I Bought the 2021 20.75 fit series one. The only problems I had with it is that seat post clamp and break lever snapped. I also bought a verde neo headset conversion kit, odyssey r15 forks, sealed female front wheel, lever and shadow interlock v2 for the upgrades....rides like a dream.
pretty much every bike is upgradable if its a real bmx, especially like the devotion. they may have a different offset though, so theyll feel different.
Meh! I got a kink gap xl. Just beginning so what ever I smash I just replace and slowly build the bike back with quality. Chromoly forks handlebars and something else . The fun is in the upgrades too. Good video!
@@vengefulsniper2052 i have a 2017 gap xl, and it's holding up very well. i replaced the tires recently, and my chain just snapped today & my sprocket bent. tough that the 175mm cranks have to be swapped if you want to run pegs (i have size 13 feet if that does anything different) and the back of my feet hit pegs, so i don't run pegs
Kink will replace your frame if it ever breaks too so keep that in mind. They may not have the best quality frames available, but they will back up their product to keep you happy.
The one person who thumbed down is a cult bike owner haha 😄 Great video I personally ride redline and subrosa. My 8yr old rides a kink curb and loves it
i agree with most of these, i would have put shadow/subrosas in here aswell. my friend has a tiro and its very nice. i have a custom 21.15 subrosa simo.
I’m riding a kink curb right now and I’m thinking on upgrading to a kink switch. Do you think this is a good idea or should I go to a lower level or higher level bike. I feel the curb is holding me back and I’m often working on the bike after a hour or two of riding.
I've been building up a WTP Message and honestly I could have bought an Envy and a Battleship complete for the price I paid for all my WTP, Eclat, and Salt parts. I still might get one of those just to have a custom and a complete from WTP.
Thanks Ive been thinking about getting a kink whip it’s a little bit out of my budget right now but for the specs on double wall rim, 100%4130 chromoly etc. I think it might be worth it what do you think
I bought a 2020 Forecaster last year, I have about 15 minutes in riding it; I realized biking was way harder than I remembered after a few years of school and I’m to worried to damage the bike now as it cost over $700
Hi I’m currently riding an older bike, a 2011 Fit Eddie 3. I really like the bike, it’s super lightweight and seems very strong. I haven’t really seen any super in depth reviews about this bike besides just the basic specs. Do you think it would be worth keeping this bike and just upgrading parts as I go along, or just buying a newer, high quality complete?
Yeah, so it really depends on your level of riding. Looking at the eddie, it was kinda a mid level bike back in the day. A lot has changed since 2011. Including more comfortable geometry and lighter parts. A newer bike would definitely be easier for you to maneuver. Come to my live stream this friday to asm me more questions about it!!
Dude, can you send my some Kik stickers? I own a Haro, a Wethepeople and Sunday. My Haro is my baby. But it's a little on the heave side (not that that is a massive issue). But my WTP BMX is awesome. I literally have zero complaints.
Nice video, but as you say with the Covid shortage in bikes, some countries and bike shops can only sell what they can get there hands on. I brought my new bike in late February 2021. I had it down to 3 brands. I could not get them in any bike shop in 500km of me. Then on a Saturday having a beer at a hotel in the CBD, I spotted a bike shop that has not updated there FB page or web page in years. Went in and there was my Sunday. Not the colour I wanted but the burnt Orange was OK still. But they would not discount because of bike shortages. So $1200 latter and a free Abus lock thrown in. Best thing was this Model was my #1 pick.
every single part me and my friends bought from cult have broken, we've broken bars and forks the most though I have 5 sets of forks in my shed that are either snapped or the dropout it bent asf and bars broken on the weld and the part you clamp your stem ontoi
Sadly, they are really hard to find right now! I know a few of the guys on the live have mentioned some of their local bike shops having Kink Bikes. Your best bet is to call all the shops around your area and seeing what they have in stock since smaller shops that don't sell online have a high chance of having one in stock!
@@Dougsterbob thanks for the feedback bro. Another question. What’s your honest thoughts on the Mongoose L500? I’m seen it on Amazon and available. How does it compare to the Kink Whip?
I thought Fit is like the best now. I didn't bmx for long and don't know much nor ever really rode a Fitbike but from what I understood it's the best in South Africa now.
Does anyone know why fits 2020 line up was so good because you had bikes like the phantom and the scumbag and they were all under 500$ with double wall rims and even full chrome frames but this year there's nothing like that.
Yes! the 2018 Fits were really good! the 2019 were still good but getting lower in quality. The 2020 had no options with double wall rims and the 2021 options got worse with quality :(
Have a new WTP not happy at all it's only got wet once rust coming out of the holes in frame back wheel clunks under load and not under load disappointed 😞 cult or Sunday next time
I've been riding since 92 I was 7 my first bike was a dyno vfr in 96 I was 11 I got a gt mach one I learned street and dirt on that bike when I broke stuff I replaced it in 99 I got an s&m dirtbike next gen and in 02 I bought a standard sta I rode those two frames for 18 yrs I just bought a fiend type a first complete bike in over 20 yrs my whole point is product bitching is pointless IDC what company makes the shit you buy your not going to break it anyway if your new to bmx buy a complete used I got mine for 150 it was 600 new
I don't completely agree with you, most 90's bike were American made with chromoly and not Chinese made with hi-tensile steel like they are now. There is a reason that the American made S&m frame lasted 18 years and the no name brand frames i got from china only laster 6 months haha. You got an exceptional deal on the used bike and I definetley recommend people jump on deals like that if they can find them 🙏 i bet those old frames are still going strong haha. I love the input man 🔥 thanks for watching the channel
@@Dougsterbob I didn't finish that either what I meant was when fbm started the chinese completes they went under alot of good frames like wtp s&m fit there all in house bmx when the last boom came fbm and other companies bought In china completes and there high end stuff here and went under or damm near every bmx place is sold out right now regardless of what it is but my point is people don't usually break frames and they talk shit like this sucks or that sucks just focus on progression chris doyle said it best ride a bike not a band wagon there's way way to much push for product and taking the fun and creativity out of riding I hate kids who go to the park and sit there on bikes they can't or are scard of using there bikes they talk about how strong and light it needs to be to sit on it and talk but if they didn't push shit so hard those fucking kids would be doing something that fits them poser want a bes dude I used to ride soooo good till broke my frame
@@Dougsterbob those two bikes saved my life my house caught on fire and my bike was all I had in 06 I was addicted to pills from riding accidents and homeless and my sta saved my life I cried when I hung that up the memories sorry for saying so much I just am happy there's channels and money to be made I like your channel I just really ride and have been thru hell and back with my bike saving me and when I hear kids just talk about this shit all day it kills me right or wrong?
Yes, these are only for freestyle bikes. I used to race 20 years ago when BMX meant "racing" bikes. I then woke up in an alternate universe where everyone calls "freestyle",, "BMX" and they took their brakes off.
I have a Subrosa Malum which I like except for the weird squeaking noise it makes. But I really like Cult Crew because of how costomizable they seem, watching videos of people with cults, I see how many cool tires, and accessories and parts that you can add to your bike to make it unique.
Why is everyone sleeping on EASTERN BIKES NOW.. I bought the Eastern Traildigger and it's amazing.. all the same specs as the kink.. full chromoly frame,and bars,all sealed bearings.. bad ass.. double walls, and 2.40 tires, all under 440
You should title this as “best bmx brands for complete bikes” because that is actually what you are talking about. There are lots of other excellent brands that make components that aren’t on here, for example BSD.
Dude. “We the people” is the beginning of the preamble to the U.S. constitution. Don’t they teach about how/why America was founded in schools any more?
Wowwww it's so crazy to watch this in 2022 and see how much the quality of the channel has grown since this was posted. Anyway do you want to win a $100 Gift Card for Dan's Comp?!? Go here to ENTER: dougsterbobsignup.ck.page/ba7405bca3
From nz the best bike brands u can find are Sunday,wethepeople and gt
I'm 43 and still rocking the Kink FreeBird
Time Stamps
1:18 FIT
3:51 FLY
8:27 SUNDAY
12:41 WETHEPEOPLE
15:23 CULT
18:36 KINK
Thanks for the support guys. I ❤️ you all.
Can not find hardly any brands in stock anywhere , but I have found a couple 29’s ... my question is ,which would you prefer , cult devotion or stolen max ? I have found these two , both are 29 . Can’t find many reviews on the stolen brand . Thanks
@@emilyford3427 get the cult. stolen sucks.
@@user-gk5je9wu4u can u recommend me any bmx bikes that r good! For 300$
@@IShowSpeedFunnyClipss Did you get any
@@motosapien2310 yes
Great video. Thank you for taking the time to explain each company. I've been wanting to do a brand new build soon , and was undecided on which of your top four to choose from. This helps a lot.
Thanks for watching!
Kink launch gang!!! I have a kink launch with black label double walled rims, black label pegs, Haro chromoly 4 piec bars, kink gum tires, a fit seat, a marroco sprocket, I also painted my frame purple and got a new chromoly fork and my bike looks dope as fuck.
Magenta kink launch with sunday bar clamp and cult sprocket also Fit Mixtape ice blue with shadow conspiracy bb, with kink parts for now, just to get myself rolling and supporting my local bike shop at Black Tire Bike Company. Thanks for all of the tips.
Can we please have an update on this for 2024
loving the fitbikes! As long as its not the cheapest option, anything with the sealed front tube and double walls by fit is badass including the series 22 which for an older bmx'er like myself love to cruise the streets on. And the series 22 being about $600 has full chromo and double wall front and back and everything is sealed.
I copped a 2021 fit it’s a super nice and stable bike beautiful and strong I’m super super happy with it used to bike in 2016 getting back into the game
i have a custom subrosa simo. i like fit tho, would like to get a stem from them
What kind of fit did you get
Waiting on fedex to deliver my 2021 Kink Whip XL, pretty excited. I do like the looks of the Switch as well for slightly more cash but I wanted a 21” top tube. My kid has a 2020 Curb that I assembled, and I was pretty impressed with it for a beginner bike, so that sealed the deal for me on what brand I was gonna get for myself.
i have a kink seat and frame and i love it its a hughes sig the seats so comfy once you break it in
My kink backwoods is great. All s&m and profile parts and couldnt be more solid.
ur picture makes me rethink
Cult and kink are my favs
I Bought the 2021 20.75 fit series one. The only problems I had with it is that seat post clamp and break lever snapped. I also bought a verde neo headset conversion kit, odyssey r15 forks, sealed female front wheel, lever and shadow interlock v2 for the upgrades....rides like a dream.
What if you wanted to build a custom bike, but the frame and all the parts have to be sourced by the same company. Which would it be?
Don't forget to text me and say what's up! +1 (575) 213-5934 (Ask me BMX questions too!!)
Dig the program, can you do a review on the subrosa speedwolf race frame,
Is the cult devotion upgradable with there high end parts like sect forks?
pretty much every bike is upgradable if its a real bmx, especially like the devotion. they may have a different offset though, so theyll feel different.
Yes sir they are! All day everyday!
Wait u dont got 300k??? These videos so high quality
Thank you bro ✅👍
@@Dougsterbob bahahaha the check
Meh! I got a kink gap xl. Just beginning so what ever I smash I just replace and slowly build the bike back with quality. Chromoly forks handlebars and something else . The fun is in the upgrades too. Good video!
I'm buying a kink gap very soon how does it hold up at skateparks
@@vengefulsniper2052 i have a 2017 gap xl, and it's holding up very well. i replaced the tires recently, and my chain just snapped today & my sprocket bent. tough that the 175mm cranks have to be swapped if you want to run pegs (i have size 13 feet if that does anything different) and the back of my feet hit pegs, so i don't run pegs
Kink will replace your frame if it ever breaks too so keep that in mind. They may not have the best quality frames available, but they will back up their product to keep you happy.
Great information as always!
The one person who thumbed down is a cult bike owner haha 😄
Great video I personally ride redline and subrosa. My 8yr old rides a kink curb and loves it
I have a kink whip XL 22 model love the bike awesome 😁 I am 57 still ride mountain bikes and BMX
Personally Sunday is my favorite
i agree with most of these, i would have put shadow/subrosas in here aswell. my friend has a tiro and its very nice. i have a custom 21.15 subrosa simo.
the mallum and letum are great as well.
I have a 2019 fit Tom Dugan signature and it's full chromoly but it's got a single wall front wheel double wall rear wheel
I love kink bmx sm bcoz even it is affordable and it got some high quality parts 🙌🏻💙
K have a 2015 kink bmx and I just purchase new odyssey path finder tires and cult tubes
I’m riding a kink curb right now and I’m thinking on upgrading to a kink switch. Do you think this is a good idea or should I go to a lower level or higher level bike. I feel the curb is holding me back and I’m often working on the bike after a hour or two of riding.
Worst Brands
Mongoose-FitBike-FlyBike-Mafia-Elite
Best Brands
WTP-Kink-Cult-Sunday-Subrosa
On quality alone regardless of price I'm going WTP, partly because Salt and Eclat are good quality too.
I love the new WTP Bikes
I've been building up a WTP Message and honestly I could have bought an Envy and a Battleship complete for the price I paid for all my WTP, Eclat, and Salt parts. I still might get one of those just to have a custom and a complete from WTP.
My first bmx bike was a 2012 kink curb, it's what started it all
How was it? Im looking to get it bmx, Im 6 fr tall
Thanks Ive been thinking about getting a kink whip it’s a little bit out of my budget right now but for the specs on double wall rim, 100%4130 chromoly etc. I think it might be worth it what do you think
The Kink Whip and the Kink switch are the best bikes for the price. Hands down
I just ordered my kink whip after months of research, work and waiting and i cant wait for it to ship. Its like a dream come true lol
Sunday my fav
I bought a 2020 Forecaster last year, I have about 15 minutes in riding it; I realized biking was way harder than I remembered after a few years of school and I’m to worried to damage the bike now as it cost over $700
Hey man, are you worried about breaking your bike because you don't plan to ride and more? or are you just worried about crashing and hurting it?
i have a wtp and it is the best thing ever
hey guys i just got a DK HELIO BMX BLACK CRACKLE 20" is it any good?
Is the radio legion 29 a good bike
Hi I’m currently riding an older bike, a 2011 Fit Eddie 3. I really like the bike, it’s super lightweight and seems very strong. I haven’t really seen any super in depth reviews about this bike besides just the basic specs. Do you think it would be worth keeping this bike and just upgrading parts as I go along, or just buying a newer, high quality complete?
Yeah, so it really depends on your level of riding. Looking at the eddie, it was kinda a mid level bike back in the day. A lot has changed since 2011. Including more comfortable geometry and lighter parts. A newer bike would definitely be easier for you to maneuver. Come to my live stream this friday to asm me more questions about it!!
Dude, can you send my some Kik stickers? I own a Haro, a Wethepeople and Sunday. My Haro is my baby. But it's a little on the heave side (not that that is a massive issue). But my WTP BMX is awesome. I literally have zero complaints.
Subrosa needs to be on here 🤦🏽♂️
Fr i expected sub at least at #3
Nice video, but as you say with the Covid shortage in bikes, some countries and bike shops can only sell what they can get there hands on. I brought my new bike in late February 2021. I had it down to 3 brands. I could not get them in any bike shop in 500km of me. Then on a Saturday having a beer at a hotel in the CBD, I spotted a bike shop that has not updated there FB page or web page in years. Went in and there was my Sunday. Not the colour I wanted but the burnt Orange was OK still. But they would not discount because of bike shortages. So $1200 latter and a free Abus lock thrown in. Best thing was this Model was my #1 pick.
Sounds like you lucked out coming across that shop! Awesome story.
great videos man. Just need a Tascam audio recorder.
every single part me and my friends bought from cult have broken, we've broken bars and forks the most though I have 5 sets of forks in my shed that are either snapped or the dropout it bent asf and bars broken on the weld and the part you clamp your stem ontoi
Do you know any 29 inch bmx bikes
well about sunday bikes you forgot to mention hi end bikes with all aftermarket parts.
Fit str 2021 double walled rims free coaster and 4 pegs? Full chromoly frame I’m pretty sure ?
Sadly it’s only single wall rims and a chromoly top and down tube. The back end is hi tensile steel. And it’s almost $500 🥴
Any rare brands not se bikes I mean alternative
Bro we the people from the constitution, the highest law of the land.
@dougsterbob bro I am looking for a “Kink whip” where would recommend I can purchase one online that’s in stock now?
Sadly, they are really hard to find right now! I know a few of the guys on the live have mentioned some of their local bike shops having Kink Bikes. Your best bet is to call all the shops around your area and seeing what they have in stock since smaller shops that don't sell online have a high chance of having one in stock!
@@Dougsterbob thanks for the feedback bro. Another question. What’s your honest thoughts on the Mongoose L500? I’m seen it on Amazon and available. How does it compare to the Kink Whip?
no way S&M is not in the list being better than all others.
Probably due to being higher priced 🤷♂️
I thought Fit is like the best now. I didn't bmx for long and don't know much nor ever really rode a Fitbike but from what I understood it's the best in South Africa now.
I’m trying to buy my 14-year-old son who is 5‘6“ his first BMX bike on Amazon or BMX website for under $400? Pls help!!!
Does anyone know why fits 2020 line up was so good because you had bikes like the phantom and the scumbag and they were all under 500$ with double wall rims and even full chrome frames but this year there's nothing like that.
I'm wondering the same thing honestly. It seems like it just keeps getting worse :(
Gonna say something about that my 2018 26” fit mike Aitkens has a full chromoly frame and double wall rims and it was almost 600
Yes! the 2018 Fits were really good! the 2019 were still good but getting lower in quality. The 2020 had no options with double wall rims and the 2021 options got worse with quality :(
kink whip 2020 or wethepeople arcade 2019?
The Whip for SURE!!!
@@Dougsterbob got you
Gt?
S&M Fit Kink Profile.
sunday only no.4? cmon now..
I know right
I have a fit but it’s all after market but the frame and something else and it’s full chromoly everything
Waiting on my kink Williams 2022 estimated date 11/5/21
Thats so exciting!!
My bike brand has also appeared.(fit)
Where is Subrosa ???
Oops, i only had room for 6. Subrosa is up there with wethepeople though
@@Dougsterbob ok
Dammmm no subrosa😭
Its good! I just forgot hahaha
Have a new WTP not happy at all it's only got wet once rust coming out of the holes in frame back wheel clunks under load and not under load disappointed 😞 cult or Sunday next time
Damn man, sorry to hear it. Which wtp was it?
The rain makes it cry shelter that thing
I've been riding since 92 I was 7 my first bike was a dyno vfr in 96 I was 11 I got a gt mach one I learned street and dirt on that bike when I broke stuff I replaced it in 99 I got an s&m dirtbike next gen and in 02 I bought a standard sta I rode those two frames for 18 yrs I just bought a fiend type a first complete bike in over 20 yrs my whole point is product bitching is pointless IDC what company makes the shit you buy your not going to break it anyway if your new to bmx buy a complete used I got mine for 150 it was 600 new
I don't completely agree with you, most 90's bike were American made with chromoly and not Chinese made with hi-tensile steel like they are now. There is a reason that the American made S&m frame lasted 18 years and the no name brand frames i got from china only laster 6 months haha. You got an exceptional deal on the used bike and I definetley recommend people jump on deals like that if they can find them 🙏 i bet those old frames are still going strong haha. I love the input man 🔥 thanks for watching the channel
@@Dougsterbob I didn't finish that either what I meant was when fbm started the chinese completes they went under alot of good frames like wtp s&m fit there all in house bmx when the last boom came fbm and other companies bought In china completes and there high end stuff here and went under or damm near every bmx place is sold out right now regardless of what it is but my point is people don't usually break frames and they talk shit like this sucks or that sucks just focus on progression chris doyle said it best ride a bike not a band wagon there's way way to much push for product and taking the fun and creativity out of riding I hate kids who go to the park and sit there on bikes they can't or are scard of using there bikes they talk about how strong and light it needs to be to sit on it and talk but if they didn't push shit so hard those fucking kids would be doing something that fits them poser want a bes dude I used to ride soooo good till broke my frame
@@Dougsterbob those two bikes saved my life my house caught on fire and my bike was all I had in 06 I was addicted to pills from riding accidents and homeless and my sta saved my life I cried when I hung that up the memories sorry for saying so much I just am happy there's channels and money to be made I like your channel I just really ride and have been thru hell and back with my bike saving me and when I hear kids just talk about this shit all day it kills me right or wrong?
Fly Sunday odyssey. 👌🙏💪
Wethepeople
Sunday
Cult
I'm looking for the freme sunday size 20 ". How price dollar M.r.
Thks Mr.
What about the kench?
Are the brands different for racing BMXs
Yes, these are only for freestyle bikes. I used to race 20 years ago when BMX meant "racing" bikes. I then woke up in an alternate universe where everyone calls "freestyle",, "BMX" and they took their brakes off.
I dunno but im riding a mankind and they are very good
Plsss do a befly rewiu
What do you think about stolen brand
Picked up a #Kinkcurb2021. Little heavy but still nimble.
I have a Subrosa Malum which I like except for the weird squeaking noise it makes. But I really like Cult Crew because of how costomizable they seem, watching videos of people with cults, I see how many cool tires, and accessories and parts that you can add to your bike to make it unique.
Hey man, the malum is really good and you can actually upgrade any part with it! Send me a video of the noises on ig and I can try to help you out
@@Dougsterbob oh I the bike is fine now, I don't know what the problem was but now it doesnt make the noises any more.
Did anyone ever tell you you kind of look like Eddie Cleveland
2024???😅😊
Bone Deth/Terrible One/Eclat/Tempered/Eighties/Dare.
Don't Waste your time and take your complete to the scrapyard!
stranger is the best
I have a wethepeople bike on the way 😋‼️
Kink I think is to heavy
POV: u live in America and don’t know what we the people means
Pov: you're watching a bike video but don't know wtp is a German company
I’m Spanish sir,in Spanish please?
Why is everyone sleeping on EASTERN BIKES NOW.. I bought the Eastern Traildigger and it's amazing.. all the same specs as the kink.. full chromoly frame,and bars,all sealed bearings.. bad ass.. double walls, and 2.40 tires, all under 440
✨💕❤🙌
TONY STEP BIKE
I ride hyper
You should title this as “best bmx brands for complete bikes” because that is actually what you are talking about.
There are lots of other excellent brands that make components that aren’t on here, for example BSD.
Dude. “We the people” is the beginning of the preamble to the U.S. constitution. Don’t they teach about how/why America was founded in schools any more?
They arent an american company.
Nerd
European company
You have to admit that Fly is making profoundly beautiful completes- they are sexy as hell. That extra $100 is definitely for the beauty factor.
flys are dope af
Fiend and Stolen aren’t even on the list?
And no s&m on the list wtf 😬
Well I think it's more abt complete bikes and s&m Is more just frames and stuff
@@ritz2410 supreme did a collaboration with s&m and made a complete bike it was made after the 90s dirt bike
@@matthubbard904 oh that sounds sick actually
@@ritz2410 it’s expensive as all hell to
@@matthubbard904 I mean it's with supreme
damn you talk a lot bro
When you make a “Top BMX Brands” list & Eastern is not on it??? It instantly brings your credibility into question…