I dont get how Brembo justifies charging 10k+ for these exact same brakes. Hopefully AliExpress is the future in terms of tuning, because having fun with cars shouldnt lead to bankruptcy.
It’s the reality of big business. Brembo have shareholders, executives, managers, development staff, testers, sales people and so. Then they get sold through a chain of 3-4 other smaller business all of which need to make money from the kit. Every person in the chain that makes money gets taxed. Where these were made by John in his factory. Larry picked them up from the factory and sent them to me. John and Larry don’t make much money for their trouble.
Don't forget cost of development. It takes a team of engineers and many, many hours of work designing and testing to develop one of these kits. Those costs get rolled into the price of the product. And Brembo has the reputation to be able to charge more. The brakes cost as much as they feel the market will pay for them. Another cost rolled in is certifications. I don't know about the costs for DOT/TÜV, but even general UL approval for electronics is expensive. Brembo is paying these costs, whoever is ripping off the Brembo kit is not. In the best case these China brakes rolled off the same manufacturing lines as the Brembos, but the seller doesn't have any of the overhead costs because Brembo have done all the development. In the worst case, they are copies made with inferior quality that don't met the original engineering specs of the Brembos. Keep in mind China is pretty much the wild west of intellectual property laws. Make no mistake, what is being done here is STEALING. Someone is stealing the IP from Brembo and reselling it at a far lower cost. Brembo can't do anything about it because China is a sovereign country with its own laws and their government will do pretty much anything to ensure their economic output stays high. There is the World Trade Organization, but enforcement is left up to the discretion of the sovereign government of each country.
@J B It's definitely a tough moral dilemma. ajm8127, is correct even if these didn't say Brembo someone has stolen the design and replicated as closely as they can. I don't personally believe it will be made of the same metal as the genuine product. Which ultimately means it could fail sooner, its also more likely to have a porous casting if they are not cast to the same quality as a Brembo. But i am comfortable buying it knowing its not a Brembo product and not as good as the a Brembo product. I don't like the people that sell these as Brembos. That rips off Brembo and the consumer. On the same note, who actually invented the brake calliper?
@J B The Samsung and Apple comparison is not apt. I am not saying Brembo pioneered the idea of hydraulically actuating a fixed caliper to press two brake pads against a rotating disc mechanically coupled to the tires and they alone are the only company that should be able to produce that design. Just like Tesla didn't come up with the idea for an electric car. They designed the individual components for their car which if another company copied and used in their EV, Tesla could sue them (at least in the US or Europe - China copies whole cars all the time, see my previous comment about sovereignty and enforcement). What I am saying is Brembo spent a LOT of money engineering and testing and certifying a specific design of fixed caliper disc brakes for a specific application and someone copied the design and is using the Brembo name to market their product without consent from Brembo. When you design a product like this you don't say "brake tech is old, lets just through some old parts together and send it out the door." While they may not make calipers for each applications, they are still designing and fitting and testing and certifying each application. Though the calipers themselves did need to be designed at some point and I am sure that was an extensive design effort. Samsung isn't using Apple components in their Galaxy line of smart phones. Those designs are completely different. Another example is Ford and Toyota both make trucks, but they are not the same. Just because they have a front mounted engines, four wheel drive and a bed doesn't mean they are the same design. Audi and BMW both have a line of luxury AWD sports sedans, but they aren't the same. It's the details that count and Brembo went through the trouble of figuring them out while another company said "thank you very much that looks good we will take this and sell it as our own undercutting all the time and effort and money put into the originals". To be clear, I am not down on Zero to 60 because he bought these brakes. I am not even claiming I would pay the price Brembo charges for their products. I would not. I am just pointing out that product forgeries are not the future of automotive aftermarket parts because eventually there will be nothing new, only copies of copies of copies...
@J B We can agree to disagree here. Don't confuse form factor with design. Many smart phone use the same form factor. That would be like accusing Stoptech of copying Brembo. The iPhone was introduced in January in 2007. In December of 2006 LG introduced the Prada. The Prada was the first phone with a large capacitive touch screen. In fact, it was LG that accused Apple of stealing the design. LG actually won an award for their design before the iPhone was even released. Obviously the first iPhone was more successful because no one remembers the Prada which mostly comes down to LG's terrible software, but just because you have two devices that look the same (laptops, for instance, they all pretty much look the same) doesn't mean that any theft of IP occurred. None of this relates to these brakes. No one accused Samsung or LG or Apple of copying each component of the competitor's smartphone and them building the exact same thing without license from the IP owner, which is what occurred with these brakes. The smartphones are all of different designs with the form factor being determined by the market. Each company put in the design, testing and certification work for their devices independently. The comparison between these brake and smart phones is not apt.
This is something i like to see, not just buy and slap on. taking specs before and after (weight, heat etc) specially with chinese stuff. waiting for the braking part
I see how you were struggling keeping the rotors on with the rotor set screw. Might I suggest a little race car mod that will fit in your budget. Pick yourself up a wheel stud kit and ditch the lug bolts. It will be your best mod.😎
Just installed a front/back big brake kit from Dicase for my E92 M3. Awesome Finnish and fits perfect other than I had to 2 shorter bolts for the front but all in all great for the money. Took about 7-8 weeks to get to the United States
Yea definitely, I found 2 kits from them and one has a front rotor of 362mm and the other has the 380mm like listed in the video. I'm really interested in how this turns out, hopefully you don't have to drill out and retap the rear to the larger size since it may not be the easiest job to get a straight approach to the hole.
I can’t actually believe that you were sent the wrong parts! That would of pissed me off... I’m really over here swearing pissed off for you! After you fitted the front I was so pumped like you were, then we all got let down cause some one F*#k up! Hope they make it right and you can get back to having your car back. Also very cool break down of all the parts. Thank you for taking time out and comparing everything. It’s things like that that make this channel way better than most channels. Also live the tri spoke wheels in the back round. 🔥
Ahh man, you have to remember when buying parts, something like this can always happen. I could have bought the genuine kit for 6 times the price and someone could have picked up the wrong bracket if they weren't paying attention. Definitely no point getting worked up about it, even being polite with the company that made the mistake will often get you more than being mad with them. I am at the point, where no matter what i am fitting i expect issues, and anything better than that is a bonus. Dont get me wrong, i'm frustrated, but still very stoked to be lucky enough to be playing with stuff anyway. Dave will be flattered about the tri spoke comment. They are the sort of thing when you first see them you think..... what the? But they have really grown on me or almost become a classic piece wheel art.
Zero To 60 they are classic. Also I absolutely agree with you on being polite with the company. I was just expressing my anger for you lol. But yeah I wouldn’t of been rude unless they where to me. First would definitely kill em with kindness. Hope you get the parts faster then the kit...
@@eriqrosado3337 haha ahhh i see. I thought you would be the polite time. Well i do appreciate you expressing your anger for me haha. I hope express the joy on my behalf when things go well. Which to be fair we are having a pretty damn good run with this car. I just got a message back from the supplier, they are making a new bracket. Looks like none of the Ali Sellers have the correct data. Ahhh well, will have to hold of on the rears for a few weeks, but i will try and finish up the fronts today.
Zero To 60 no I’m sorry I correct myself I would have only been rude if they were rude to me. I wouldn’t start off rude. Sorry 😐 really messed that up... 🤐
I’m not fussed on them. I feel like it’s a mod that exists just to take people’s money. I don’t have issues fitting wheels with bolts. I know some people struggle to line the wheels up.
Zero To 60 you would be surprised at how nice they are to have. I used to think the same thing but they have made my life a lot easier! Plus they do look cool and make it easier to add spacers. Plus they only cost like 120 usd
Also you can add the spacers required for clearance, while having the proper amount of thread for the nut vs the stud having less thread to engage. I've seen wheels fly off due to big spacers and not enough thread engagement.
I’m honestly thinking about grabbing a set for my 135i if they perform decent on the street. I really want a BBK but $8k for Brembos is literally 9/10ths of my cars worth. Still... seems too good to be true, but we shall see! I genuinely hope they’re good. I’d absolutely paint over the brembo logo though
I got the Stoptech drilled/slotted rotors on Amazon for like $400 for all 4, ECS tuning stainless brake lines, ATE typ 200 fluid, and Hawk HPS 5.0 pads and they’re fantastic so far. Not bad price wise and it’s quite the upgrade
@@ZeroTo60Tube OEM 18" rims have bugger all clearance (it's the barrels) the style 189 just cleared my 360mm E9X M3 brakes. My 18" rays ZE40 on the other hand have a heap of clearance!
That ones not a parts car hehe. That’s David’s first ever e39. It’s a low mileage series one 540i. He was supposed to sell it when he bought the 2001 m sport 540i, but he’s a little attached/worried he will never find another one with such low k’s.
@@ZeroTo60Tube hahaha that makes sense, we all know the feeling. Come to think of it, I do remember some early videos in that car with the Style 38s on
Love your vids, brakes look the part hope they perform too. Fabricating a decent bracket would be a pain hopefully you can get the correct one from supplier, still 8k up from where you could be with real brembos though hah. Installing 17T's in 2 weeks, did you change spark plugs out for colder NGK ones? Slightly worried about the EKPM too with a Walbro 470 behind it but I'm just going to send it.
Woohoo on the 17t's. Like i tell everyone, remember to be safe once you have them fitted. Regarding plugs. Fresh plugs is always a no brainer when you are winding the power up. However as for colder it will be dependant on your tune and fuel type. I would recommend speaking to who ever is doing the tune and get their opinion on what plug to run.
Almost forgot about the EKPM, i think send it. You will get a warning when its starting to struggle. And even when they overheat you will get a warning, let it cool down and you will normally still make it home no worries. When it actually shuts down, you know its time to replace. I am running a $60 ebay china made ekpm3 and its working fine btw.
I was going to get the 19t but I think my clutch isn't going to be happy with the 17s lol. That's good to know it shouldn't strand me 🤞. Will look into the ekpm3 module as it's supposed to be a bit more robust.
@@Ewok_Nz I think the EKPM3 basically just have a newer power unit. So they wont run hot like EKPM2. Fun fact, i never had an issue with me EKPM2 but did get a fuel pump over current warning on my EKPM3. I think if you keep the EKPM2 cool they are fine. But again worst case scenario, they over heat, let it cool down and you'll get home. Most ones i read about they will overheat a few times before they die forever.
Ferodo pads....or are they! Actually looks like a good quality kit, big shame about the copying of branded products instead of developing their own reputation but will be very interested to see how the rubber on the boots fair with high temperature.
100% right there. Pads are very important. This supplier actually make track pads. Although I bet for my driving the basic of basic compounds should be fine. I’m really pretty good on brakes. One stop from high speed then a cool down normally.
My stock 135i brakes are all fixed calipers, none are floating. Rear is a single piston but pretty big and the fronts are 6 piston. I bet those are even cheaper than the Chinese brakes and my breaks work great! Might be an even less expensive option with more reliability being genuine BMW. Just my opinion, this is my first BMW.
Interestingly the 135i 6 piston brakes are actually a down grade from the 335i stock single piston. The 135i brakes are smaller to suit the smaller wheel options fitted to the 135i. Mind you they do look cool.
@@ZeroTo60Tube I have a 2018 340i M Sport sedan. It's been almost two weeks. They look and perform great. Although I have to admit I haven't been driving too aggressively since I had them installed. The red really makes them pop.
It's funny, i think to me the look of the brakes was more important than any performance upgrade. haha. And congrats on the 340i. Man i love the B58s. Would love to have a play with modding one, one day.
Zero To 60 Yes, looks we’re definitely the deciding factor for buying them. Dinan recently released a B58 flash tune that looked decent until I saw a Noelle Performance tune that takes an N55 or B58 to 420-440hp.
It's not a simple purchase. And even with the hours i spent researching and clarifying specifications with the guys, they still sent the wrong brackets. One thing i can say, the Ali guys do not have correct fitment data for 335i's even though they think they do.
@@ZeroTo60Tube yeah for sure people in aliexpress some times aren't the most smart sometimes hahahaha. Anyway, the fitment maybe isnt to much problem, cause some workshop could do it. But i only want the front brakes, these fit fine, no? Please let us the link, or at least some hint to find it ;)
The factory claimed to be approved to certain standards, but then they pump out copy brembos, so it’s like who knows what else is copied..... the certificates too?
@@ZeroTo60Tube they'd probably just send you a link to brembos TÜV certification. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the actual calipers are legit, I was reading online that brembo is aware of what they call "semi-fake" kits where the calipers are actually real.
@@ZeroTo60Tube can you please sent a inquiry to manufacture about certificate for road legal use. I am interested in the answer. In Europe we cant pass a technical inspection every year without certificate for road use for any aftermarkert part on car.
Like you said, the price we pay for parts like this. Some people are willing to take the risks. I’m sure it will be sorted out though. I’m curious how the rotors compare, whether they will be real soft or have less carbon in the steel like cheaper rotors.
Haha, i have told a few of the OG subscribers. But i'm not making it public. Not only are they still un tested, they don't fit. Typical really. One thing i have learnt over the last 24 hours. None of the ali express sellers have current fitment data for the 335's.
Hi there! nice brake video guys!! I was wondering why my 135i (mpackage) doesn't have the same caliper than ur 335i. My front one is a 6 piston caliper from factory that look similar to your brembo edition. Does someone have any idea why?
@@ZeroTo60Tube Thanks for the info. I didn't know that the 135i had smaller brake than 335. At least, she came at the front with a 6 piston brembo from factory. They are painted grey with the BMW logo on it. Because of you I did have to put the 17T on my mod list, your are such a bad influence for my wallet ;)
I know I'm jumping the gun in the timeline here...but what about the brake pad sensors? And I'm ready and waiting on the bleeding. Lol I did a caliper job on mine and accidentally got air into the ABS unit...it was a fucking nightmare ...my dashboard was lit up like a Xmas tree.
The pads have a slot for the sensors in the front but i haven't tried them yet. Also i am expecting the same issue with the ABS. Most of the brake fluid has lest the system. However i will be able to bleed it with ista.
@@ZeroTo60Tube nice work. Yea that's what I had to do...it took me like 5 or 6 cycles through INPA to get it right...them my abs light was still on....then magically went off a few days later lol. Been fine ever since 😂😂.
You would have shaved off 5 lbs on each rotor if you had bought Rotora BBK. And that's against the old stock rotors, and also against the ECS tuning semi floating two piece rotors you save 3 lbs.
You might find those longer rear brake lines will allow you to bypass the shitty intermediate metal pipe the E90 has. It's absolutely infuriating to work with ... I recently did braided lines on my E90 and would have much preferred 2 lines instead of 4. I can't see any point in the intermediates!
Bought Jekit rotors from Ali express ..total garbage.. Car vibrated so badly you think the wheels would fall Off..multiple fitment issues Replaced with EBC now brakes are awesome..
Bonjour super intéressé votre vidéo 👍, j'ai actuellement ce type de gros frein depuis très longtemps et sincèrement les chinois font de bonne fabrication 👍👍👍je n'ai jamais eu de soucis avec ces kit 👌😁 Parfois c'est bien meilleur que les oem et d'autres grande marque connues...
The biggest problem i see you having trouble getting new Pads you can't just get them from your local auto parts store or online 🤔 if th they are the same as actual brembo pad design.
They look like clones of the actual brembo casting, so you could most likely use legitimate brembo pads. Anyway, they sell friction surfaces and pads too.
From my research these are potentially legitimate calipers and according to brembo themselves they refer to this kit as Semi-fake. www.brembo.com/en/company/news/brembo-brakes-guide-to-recognizing-fakes “A semi-fake is a Brembo braking system where some original components (usually the brake caliper) are packaged together and sold with other non-Brembo components. Brembo has always been opposed to such practices, in the firm belief that the performance of a braking system is determined not just by the quality but also by the perfect integration of each of its components” As you can see they are aware of such companies utilising authentic calipers with non brembo parts to compete the kit. I do believe that the calipers Andrew has are in fact real. If you have watched his other videos on this kit he states were there is the brembo logo and wording, and even in this video it has brembo in the seals... would love to hear other people’s thoughts on this.
It's questionable. Without offending the seller, there are definitely better options out there. I don't think who ever owns it really understands much about them at all. The ad does not make sense.
@@Cyaotic you might be interested in the video i did on mine when i first got it. The one you linked is less appealing than mine when i got it. Not to mention mine was 10k... with less kilometers. th-cam.com/video/rUFQ0WDpXkE/w-d-xo.html i think the dude has read a JB4 n54 can make 500hp so he is making the assumption his is 500hp.
They are on Ali express, but you need to know exactly what you need, you can’t rely on them providing a kit that fits. Cos it won’t. Expect to have to remake brackets and supply your own bolts, bleed nipples rotors etc. there is a reason I don’t recommend these
you don't understand how excited i get right now with your video post lol
Haha awesome to hear.
I dont get how Brembo justifies charging 10k+ for these exact same brakes. Hopefully AliExpress is the future in terms of tuning, because having fun with cars shouldnt lead to bankruptcy.
It’s the reality of big business. Brembo have shareholders, executives, managers, development staff, testers, sales people and so. Then they get sold through a chain of 3-4 other smaller business all of which need to make money from the kit. Every person in the chain that makes money gets taxed. Where these were made by John in his factory. Larry picked them up from the factory and sent them to me. John and Larry don’t make much money for their trouble.
Don't forget cost of development. It takes a team of engineers and many, many hours of work designing and testing to develop one of these kits. Those costs get rolled into the price of the product. And Brembo has the reputation to be able to charge more. The brakes cost as much as they feel the market will pay for them.
Another cost rolled in is certifications. I don't know about the costs for DOT/TÜV, but even general UL approval for electronics is expensive. Brembo is paying these costs, whoever is ripping off the Brembo kit is not.
In the best case these China brakes rolled off the same manufacturing lines as the Brembos, but the seller doesn't have any of the overhead costs because Brembo have done all the development. In the worst case, they are copies made with inferior quality that don't met the original engineering specs of the Brembos.
Keep in mind China is pretty much the wild west of intellectual property laws. Make no mistake, what is being done here is STEALING. Someone is stealing the IP from Brembo and reselling it at a far lower cost. Brembo can't do anything about it because China is a sovereign country with its own laws and their government will do pretty much anything to ensure their economic output stays high. There is the World Trade Organization, but enforcement is left up to the discretion of the sovereign government of each country.
@J B It's definitely a tough moral dilemma. ajm8127, is correct even if these didn't say Brembo someone has stolen the design and replicated as closely as they can. I don't personally believe it will be made of the same metal as the genuine product. Which ultimately means it could fail sooner, its also more likely to have a porous casting if they are not cast to the same quality as a Brembo. But i am comfortable buying it knowing its not a Brembo product and not as good as the a Brembo product. I don't like the people that sell these as Brembos. That rips off Brembo and the consumer. On the same note, who actually invented the brake calliper?
@J B The Samsung and Apple comparison is not apt. I am not saying Brembo pioneered the idea of hydraulically actuating a fixed caliper to press two brake pads against a rotating disc mechanically coupled to the tires and they alone are the only company that should be able to produce that design. Just like Tesla didn't come up with the idea for an electric car. They designed the individual components for their car which if another company copied and used in their EV, Tesla could sue them (at least in the US or Europe - China copies whole cars all the time, see my previous comment about sovereignty and enforcement).
What I am saying is Brembo spent a LOT of money engineering and testing and certifying a specific design of fixed caliper disc brakes for a specific application and someone copied the design and is using the Brembo name to market their product without consent from Brembo. When you design a product like this you don't say "brake tech is old, lets just through some old parts together and send it out the door." While they may not make calipers for each applications, they are still designing and fitting and testing and certifying each application. Though the calipers themselves did need to be designed at some point and I am sure that was an extensive design effort.
Samsung isn't using Apple components in their Galaxy line of smart phones. Those designs are completely different. Another example is Ford and Toyota both make trucks, but they are not the same. Just because they have a front mounted engines, four wheel drive and a bed doesn't mean they are the same design. Audi and BMW both have a line of luxury AWD sports sedans, but they aren't the same. It's the details that count and Brembo went through the trouble of figuring them out while another company said "thank you very much that looks good we will take this and sell it as our own undercutting all the time and effort and money put into the originals".
To be clear, I am not down on Zero to 60 because he bought these brakes. I am not even claiming I would pay the price Brembo charges for their products. I would not. I am just pointing out that product forgeries are not the future of automotive aftermarket parts because eventually there will be nothing new, only copies of copies of copies...
@J B We can agree to disagree here.
Don't confuse form factor with design. Many smart phone use the same form factor. That would be like accusing Stoptech of copying Brembo.
The iPhone was introduced in January in 2007. In December of 2006 LG introduced the Prada. The Prada was the first phone with a large capacitive touch screen. In fact, it was LG that accused Apple of stealing the design. LG actually won an award for their design before the iPhone was even released. Obviously the first iPhone was more successful because no one remembers the Prada which mostly comes down to LG's terrible software, but just because you have two devices that look the same (laptops, for instance, they all pretty much look the same) doesn't mean that any theft of IP occurred.
None of this relates to these brakes. No one accused Samsung or LG or Apple of copying each component of the competitor's smartphone and them building the exact same thing without license from the IP owner, which is what occurred with these brakes. The smartphones are all of different designs with the form factor being determined by the market. Each company put in the design, testing and certification work for their devices independently. The comparison between these brake and smart phones is not apt.
This is something i like to see, not just buy and slap on. taking specs before and after (weight, heat etc) specially with chinese stuff. waiting for the braking part
Well it’s such an unknown with these cheap kits. Hopefully info might help others on their buying decisions.
I see how you were struggling keeping the rotors on with the rotor set screw. Might I suggest a little race car mod that will fit in your budget.
Pick yourself up a wheel stud kit and ditch the lug bolts. It will be your best mod.😎
Link to brakes?
Just installed a front/back big brake kit from Dicase for my E92 M3. Awesome Finnish and fits perfect other than I had to 2 shorter bolts for the front but all in all great for the money. Took about 7-8 weeks to get to the United States
Awesome to hear some feed back. What pads did you get?
@@ZeroTo60Tube I got the ceramic pads and so far there pretty good
We are all excited, brilliant stuff. I would check rim clearance as well
Yea definitely, I found 2 kits from them and one has a front rotor of 362mm and the other has the 380mm like listed in the video. I'm really interested in how this turns out, hopefully you don't have to drill out and retap the rear to the larger size since it may not be the easiest job to get a straight approach to the hole.
Loving the content. From South Africa.
Thanks for checking it out and commenting man, really appreciate it.
Question for u. Do the Ali calipers come with piston rubber dust boots?
Edit :stupid question you actually mentioned they do lol
you need to pry the rear caliper bracket into place using a "podger" through the bolt holes..
I can’t actually believe that you were sent the wrong parts! That would of pissed me off... I’m really over here swearing pissed off for you! After you fitted the front I was so pumped like you were, then we all got let down cause some one F*#k up! Hope they make it right and you can get back to having your car back. Also very cool break down of all the parts. Thank you for taking time out and comparing everything. It’s things like that that make this channel way better than most channels. Also live the tri spoke wheels in the back round. 🔥
Ahh man, you have to remember when buying parts, something like this can always happen. I could have bought the genuine kit for 6 times the price and someone could have picked up the wrong bracket if they weren't paying attention. Definitely no point getting worked up about it, even being polite with the company that made the mistake will often get you more than being mad with them. I am at the point, where no matter what i am fitting i expect issues, and anything better than that is a bonus. Dont get me wrong, i'm frustrated, but still very stoked to be lucky enough to be playing with stuff anyway. Dave will be flattered about the tri spoke comment. They are the sort of thing when you first see them you think..... what the? But they have really grown on me or almost become a classic piece wheel art.
Zero To 60 they are classic. Also I absolutely agree with you on being polite with the company. I was just expressing my anger for you lol. But yeah I wouldn’t of been rude unless they where to me. First would definitely kill em with kindness. Hope you get the parts faster then the kit...
@@eriqrosado3337 haha ahhh i see. I thought you would be the polite time. Well i do appreciate you expressing your anger for me haha. I hope express the joy on my behalf when things go well. Which to be fair we are having a pretty damn good run with this car. I just got a message back from the supplier, they are making a new bracket. Looks like none of the Ali Sellers have the correct data. Ahhh well, will have to hold of on the rears for a few weeks, but i will try and finish up the fronts today.
Zero To 60 no I’m sorry I correct myself I would have only been rude if they were rude to me. I wouldn’t start off rude. Sorry 😐 really messed that up... 🤐
@@eriqrosado3337 oh man, dont stress haha. I knew what you meant.
No stud conversion after all the other mods?
I’m not fussed on them. I feel like it’s a mod that exists just to take people’s money. I don’t have issues fitting wheels with bolts. I know some people struggle to line the wheels up.
Zero To 60 you would be surprised at how nice they are to have. I used to think the same thing but they have made my life a lot easier! Plus they do look cool and make it easier to add spacers. Plus they only cost like 120 usd
@@davidrowe2217 I find them immensely helpful as well.
Also you can add the spacers required for clearance, while having the proper amount of thread for the nut vs the stud having less thread to engage.
I've seen wheels fly off due to big spacers and not enough thread engagement.
No link for the brake kit?
Not gonna put it out in public.
Zero To 60 can you message me??!? I’m willing to try at my own risk lol
At best if there's a issue with the rotors you could switch out the rings
Is it wrong that I kinda want a set of these? I'll probably just get some StopTech slotted and drilled rotors and new pads though.
I’m honestly thinking about grabbing a set for my 135i if they perform decent on the street. I really want a BBK but $8k for Brembos is literally 9/10ths of my cars worth. Still... seems too good to be true, but we shall see! I genuinely hope they’re good. I’d absolutely paint over the brembo logo though
I got the Stoptech drilled/slotted rotors on Amazon for like $400 for all 4, ECS tuning stainless brake lines, ATE typ 200 fluid, and Hawk HPS 5.0 pads and they’re fantastic so far. Not bad price wise and it’s quite the upgrade
D2’s 380/32mm 6 pots did not fit 18” rims, hope yours do...
Well, keep in mind different rims will have different clearance and wall thickness. I have some OEM e90 18" wheels which i will try today.
Zero To 60 I tried the best 18” for big brakes: OZ Ultraleggera 9x18” et40 😇🏁
@@ZeroTo60Tube OEM 18" rims have bugger all clearance (it's the barrels) the style 189 just cleared my 360mm E9X M3 brakes. My 18" rays ZE40 on the other hand have a heap of clearance!
It works good i mean are safe to change the oem brakes to this chinese?
You really need to have them installed and inspected by a mechanical engineer.
Super keen on your 3spoke E39 wheels on your parts car when youre done with them if youre willing to ship them to Melb
That ones not a parts car hehe. That’s David’s first ever e39. It’s a low mileage series one 540i. He was supposed to sell it when he bought the 2001 m sport 540i, but he’s a little attached/worried he will never find another one with such low k’s.
@@ZeroTo60Tube hahaha that makes sense, we all know the feeling. Come to think of it, I do remember some early videos in that car with the Style 38s on
Love your vids, brakes look the part hope they perform too. Fabricating a decent bracket would be a pain hopefully you can get the correct one from supplier, still 8k up from where you could be with real brembos though hah.
Installing 17T's in 2 weeks, did you change spark plugs out for colder NGK ones?
Slightly worried about the EKPM too with a Walbro 470 behind it but I'm just going to send it.
Woohoo on the 17t's. Like i tell everyone, remember to be safe once you have them fitted. Regarding plugs. Fresh plugs is always a no brainer when you are winding the power up. However as for colder it will be dependant on your tune and fuel type. I would recommend speaking to who ever is doing the tune and get their opinion on what plug to run.
Almost forgot about the EKPM, i think send it. You will get a warning when its starting to struggle. And even when they overheat you will get a warning, let it cool down and you will normally still make it home no worries. When it actually shuts down, you know its time to replace. I am running a $60 ebay china made ekpm3 and its working fine btw.
I was going to get the 19t but I think my clutch isn't going to be happy with the 17s lol.
That's good to know it shouldn't strand me 🤞. Will look into the ekpm3 module as it's supposed to be a bit more robust.
@@Ewok_Nz I think the EKPM3 basically just have a newer power unit. So they wont run hot like EKPM2. Fun fact, i never had an issue with me EKPM2 but did get a fuel pump over current warning on my EKPM3. I think if you keep the EKPM2 cool they are fine. But again worst case scenario, they over heat, let it cool down and you'll get home. Most ones i read about they will overheat a few times before they die forever.
I wonder how much clearance between caliper and wheel🤔
I will check that next video. I’ll try and get the fronts all finished
It kinda looks like those rear brackets and hardware have been supplied to suit F3x not e9x.. not sure what going on with those lines tho
I’d love to know for sure. They are all a bit confused at the suppliers end.
I think this are real brembos, sold straight from some factory making this for brembo
martin degetau thats what i was thinking, basically stolen brakes
I really don’t think they are genuine. I could be wrong. But I don’t think they are.
Would be nice to compare them next to a real set.
yeah nah.. real ones are made in italy
Chinese factories always sell stuff out the side door. I wouldnt be surprised if these are actually gens.
Ferodo pads....or are they! Actually looks like a good quality kit, big shame about the copying of branded products instead of developing their own reputation but will be very interested to see how the rubber on the boots fair with high temperature.
Hopefully the pads are half decent. Such varying performance from just a pad change.
100% right there. Pads are very important. This supplier actually make track pads. Although I bet for my driving the basic of basic compounds should be fine. I’m really pretty good on brakes. One stop from high speed then a cool down normally.
380mm disco fit into 19"rims?
These ones did.
Hutchinson is automotive company supplier for oem. They do fuel lines and different seals for automotive
My stock 135i brakes are all fixed calipers, none are floating. Rear is a single piston but pretty big and the fronts are 6 piston. I bet those are even cheaper than the Chinese brakes and my breaks work great! Might be an even less expensive option with more reliability being genuine BMW. Just my opinion, this is my first BMW.
Interestingly the 135i 6 piston brakes are actually a down grade from the 335i stock single piston. The 135i brakes are smaller to suit the smaller wheel options fitted to the 135i. Mind you they do look cool.
They sure do look good. I recently bought the red M performance brakes. Had them installed at my local BMW dealer for $3100US.
What do you think of them now they been on the car for a little while? Also model is your BMW?
@@ZeroTo60Tube I have a 2018 340i M Sport sedan. It's been almost two weeks. They look and perform great. Although I have to admit I haven't been driving too aggressively since I had them installed. The red really makes them pop.
It's funny, i think to me the look of the brakes was more important than any performance upgrade. haha. And congrats on the 340i. Man i love the B58s. Would love to have a play with modding one, one day.
Zero To 60 Yes, looks we’re definitely the deciding factor for buying them. Dinan recently released a B58 flash tune that looked decent until I saw a Noelle Performance tune that takes an N55 or B58 to 420-440hp.
where we can buy this kit? i didnt found it in aliexpress
It's not a simple purchase. And even with the hours i spent researching and clarifying specifications with the guys, they still sent the wrong brackets. One thing i can say, the Ali guys do not have correct fitment data for 335i's even though they think they do.
@@ZeroTo60Tube yeah for sure people in aliexpress some times aren't the most smart sometimes hahahaha. Anyway, the fitment maybe isnt to much problem, cause some workshop could do it. But i only want the front brakes, these fit fine, no?
Please let us the link, or at least some hint to find it ;)
Watch the price of these go up in the next few months lol
Or down. We’ll see how they handle the fitment issue
@@ZeroTo60Tube if they end up working as they should the cost of having a new bracket machined would still work out cheaper that an actual brembo kit
Are BBK have Tüv or some certificate for road legal use?
Lmao these are counterfeit brembos, definitely no certifications😂
@@Spooly_ looks like orginal. Maybe have some certificate for Dickass products.
The factory claimed to be approved to certain standards, but then they pump out copy brembos, so it’s like who knows what else is copied..... the certificates too?
@@ZeroTo60Tube they'd probably just send you a link to brembos TÜV certification. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the actual calipers are legit, I was reading online that brembo is aware of what they call "semi-fake" kits where the calipers are actually real.
@@ZeroTo60Tube can you please sent a inquiry to manufacture about certificate for road legal use. I am interested in the answer. In Europe we cant pass a technical inspection every year without certificate for road use for any aftermarkert part on car.
Hutchinson makes rubber products for automotive, aerospace, etc. so the seals would either be originals or knockoffs. I know them for bicycle tyres.
Thanks for the info.
Like you said, the price we pay for parts like this. Some people are willing to take the risks. I’m sure it will be sorted out though. I’m curious how the rotors compare, whether they will be real soft or have less carbon in the steel like cheaper rotors.
I think they are going to be ok steel wise. But I’m sure they cut corners somewhere compared to the genuine ones.
Zero To 60 cheap labor and like you said, no money invested into research and development.
Good video, keep up the good work
Thanks, will do!
I'll ask again... Link please... My 335 asked m to ask you
Haha, i have told a few of the OG subscribers. But i'm not making it public. Not only are they still un tested, they don't fit. Typical really. One thing i have learnt over the last 24 hours. None of the ali express sellers have current fitment data for the 335's.
Hi there! nice brake video guys!! I was wondering why my 135i (mpackage) doesn't have the same caliper than ur 335i. My front one is a 6 piston caliper from factory that look similar to your brembo edition. Does someone have any idea why?
The 135i was fitted with smaller wheel options than the 335i so they actually run smaller brakes or more compact brakes anyway.
@@ZeroTo60Tube Thanks for the info. I didn't know that the 135i had smaller brake than 335. At least, she came at the front with a 6 piston brembo from factory. They are painted grey with the BMW logo on it. Because of you I did have to put the 17T on my mod list, your are such a bad influence for my wallet ;)
Drive safe with those 17t turbos!! They are awesome!
Ps sorry about the wallet 🤣
I know I'm jumping the gun in the timeline here...but what about the brake pad sensors? And I'm ready and waiting on the bleeding. Lol I did a caliper job on mine and accidentally got air into the ABS unit...it was a fucking nightmare ...my dashboard was lit up like a Xmas tree.
The pads have a slot for the sensors in the front but i haven't tried them yet. Also i am expecting the same issue with the ABS. Most of the brake fluid has lest the system. However i will be able to bleed it with ista.
@@ZeroTo60Tube nice work. Yea that's what I had to do...it took me like 5 or 6 cycles through INPA to get it right...them my abs light was still on....then magically went off a few days later lol. Been fine ever since 😂😂.
Looking so far good, be interesting to see what the seller says about the rears... oh and lets hope its not all made of chocolate :)
Yeah we’ll see how we go.
You would have shaved off 5 lbs on each rotor if you had bought Rotora BBK. And that's against the old stock rotors, and also against the ECS tuning semi floating two piece rotors you save 3 lbs.
You might find those longer rear brake lines will allow you to bypass the shitty intermediate metal pipe the E90 has. It's absolutely infuriating to work with ... I recently did braided lines on my E90 and would have much preferred 2 lines instead of 4. I can't see any point in the intermediates!
Bought Jekit rotors from Ali express ..total garbage..
Car vibrated so badly you think the wheels would fall
Off..multiple fitment issues
Replaced with EBC now brakes are awesome..
Bonjour super intéressé votre vidéo 👍, j'ai actuellement ce type de gros frein depuis très longtemps et sincèrement les chinois font de bonne fabrication 👍👍👍je n'ai jamais eu de soucis avec ces kit 👌😁
Parfois c'est bien meilleur que les oem et d'autres grande marque connues...
The biggest problem i see you having trouble getting new Pads you can't just get them from your local auto parts store or online 🤔 if th they are the same as actual brembo pad design.
They look like clones of the actual brembo casting, so you could most likely use legitimate brembo pads. Anyway, they sell friction surfaces and pads too.
They should take genuine gt6 and gt4 pads. From what’s I’ve read anyway
From my research these are potentially legitimate calipers and according to brembo themselves they refer to this kit as Semi-fake.
www.brembo.com/en/company/news/brembo-brakes-guide-to-recognizing-fakes
“A semi-fake is a Brembo braking system where some original components (usually the brake caliper) are packaged together and sold with other non-Brembo components. Brembo has always been opposed to such practices, in the firm belief that the performance of a braking system is determined not just by the quality but also by the perfect integration of each of its components”
As you can see they are aware of such companies utilising authentic calipers with non brembo parts to compete the kit.
I do believe that the calipers Andrew has are in fact real. If you have watched his other videos on this kit he states were there is the brembo logo and wording, and even in this video it has brembo in the seals...
would love to hear other people’s thoughts on this.
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Hell yeah! I feel like I’d be cheating on my normal guy, but he doesn’t watch the channel...... so. What’s your business called?
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@@michaelshannon4138 Is that your turbo LS Commy Wags?
Zero To 60 yep
Zero To 60 I don’t really post on my fb site. I rather not advertise my customers cars.
You 100% have two sets of front brake lines and caliper brackets.
Who would have thought a company called Dickass could f#%k up both the shipping details and the fitment of a brake rotor and caliper kit?? 😂😂
bahaha kinda says it in the name doesnt it.
What do you think of this 335i for 22k ? It has 500hp
www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2007-bmw-3-series-335i-e92-auto/SSE-AD-6577745
It's questionable. Without offending the seller, there are definitely better options out there. I don't think who ever owns it really understands much about them at all. The ad does not make sense.
Zero To 60 That was exactly what I was thinking ! Thanks for the confirmation
@@Cyaotic you might be interested in the video i did on mine when i first got it. The one you linked is less appealing than mine when i got it. Not to mention mine was 10k... with less kilometers. th-cam.com/video/rUFQ0WDpXkE/w-d-xo.html i think the dude has read a JB4 n54 can make 500hp so he is making the assumption his is 500hp.
Zero To 60 I think he believes for every psi adds upto 20hp which isn’t accurate at all.
As it’s maxing at 18psi and these are 300hp stock at 8psi , so 20x 10 = 200hp on top of 300. I think that’s how he worked it out
Love the channel! Anyone wanna help me find these!?
They are on Ali express, but you need to know exactly what you need, you can’t rely on them providing a kit that fits. Cos it won’t. Expect to have to remake brackets and supply your own bolts, bleed nipples rotors etc. there is a reason I don’t recommend these