7:55 When going up this line, the turning thing was something I first really noticed around Trento or Zara. I remember being on Estuary and leaving my hard turn on too long, which caused me to severely overturn since it takes a while for the rudder to go back to neutral.
Yeah you have to be careful. The Italian cruisers turn wierd. They bite so hard on the start of the turn but the rudder can't keep up to change direction if you realistically go past half rudder. It's my favorite thing catching Italian cruisers stuck in a turn. Some of the easiest ships to pop in the game... though they're a pain in the ass to hit if yhe captain actually pays attention to incoming fire and maneuvers intelligently.
@ 12:00, up to Tier VIII is a grind. Tier VIII has a real good quick reload, but no heal, Tier IX and X give you slower reload, more guns, and a heal, allowing you to play much more aggressive.
One reason you might want to run Ship XP bonuses on T10s is to help get your daily containers; if you're mostly playing T10s (eg Ranked), and are only playing a few matches a night, you'll kind of need it to get the second or third containers.
Re: Zao - prefer the zao for several reasons - the concealment let’s zao play at a range where hitting dds is much more consistent- the 2-3 km difference means good ds players can react to Venezia and dodge but they can’t react to zao Secondly, I think zao is better vs bow in targets, especially bbs because he is a better ammunition type in those situations. Thirdly, zao has an easier time maneuvering into positions where she can ap devastate broadside cruisers, again, due to concealment. Venezia tends to be spotted unless she plays really far back, but from that distance, all Ap broadside volleys are reactable
I've resorted to running RPF on my venezia because of it's lack of any other means of spotting nearby ships. It comes in handy all the time to spot those hidden DDs
I wish resetting captains was cheaper, I would love to give this a try on mine. As you say no hydro is a big negative in the current meta, but at least the speed/maneuverability really helps it avoid torps. Plus with so many guns I tend to just blind fire smoke with decent luck.
@@Swarm509 Do it! Bait the torps and the moment you see them smash the W at the DD and run him over tnx to that RPF!!! You will see that the Radar would feel useless :) Venezia is like a Ferrari, most DDs can't run from it ;)
Personally, I find shooting broadside Venezias extremely trollish at longer ranges (they always overpen or bounce) but maybe that's because of how low they sit in the water?
I had zero interest in the line, hearing it they were terrible and seeing most blow up fast in game, but was getting bored with the game and decided to give them a go.... and wow glad I did! The entire line became my favorite cruisers with some of my best games. Just perfectly fit my maneuver playstyle with how agile they are, not much of a fan of sitting behind island spamming HE, and I could do work with it against DD's and other cruisers. Hell even the torps are pretty damn good, being so slow people forget they exist and you can get some cheeky hits/kills in. Or just throw them out as area denial. Not perfect ships, they have quite a few negatives, but great fun. I may even reset the line for Research Bureau points and do it all again. Had a lot of luck with them in ranked as well, and wish I could run my Venezia more often. With so many missions requiring HE/fires in the current dockyard I end up in my Hindenburg more often, although that ship is pretty damn fun too.
Try Venezia lighthouse build, it's so nimble that you can still run at caps and DDs but with better dpm. I'm spotted from 17.6 but I usually still smash the first DD spotted from 10km. Usually lose about 10k-15k hp to trade a DD in the first 2 minutes.
I can say that the Venz is worth the misery that grinding through the T8 and T9 is (I generally enjoyed Trento and Zara). It's versatile, very punchy, and while the lack of hydro and radar is kinda iffy and it sometimes explodes while taking questionable shells at sharp angles, I still love it just because it makes destroyers with SAP and broadsiding cruisers with AP fucking vanish. Edit: when I used Venz in CBs last season, I ran range mod, like I do on Napoli and Goliath. If you're playing those, then the extra range is worth more for kiting than extra reload, and you don't get Sansonetti's talent in CBs to help make the range not practical suicide. For randoms I'm just fine with reload.
On one hand I love my lighthouse build on venezia with how nice it turns and dodges shells at high speed, on the other hand I like my full concealment build where I got dd spotting going to surprise enemy dd.
I'm a DD main and I know this is a very unpopular opinion, but I feel like this is the most overpowered surface ship in the game. The SAP is absolutely broken in this game and this boat is the best example of that. That's my rant and I move on now lol great video as always
I run double-rudder on almost all my open water cruisers! I was already pretty good at dodging, adding that has resulted in more lol moments than any other single change!😊 o7
Good vid. Trento on up is great, but I kind of feel like all the lines really become enjoyable at T6. However, it's a different play style and grinding it after Russian, German, US and IJN, I had to re-learn cruiser play. If you get broadside, the Pasta line have huge cits, but smart play makes them far more powerful than they should be with such slow dpm. This seem especially true and T9 & 10.
Good timing.... I am currently grinding this line. As a rule I hate Italian cruisers..... but if I am honest..... it was just that I hated playing against them..... so I finally decided to grind the line so I can figure out how to kill them more effectively. I keep telling my that the grind will pay off eventually...... but the mid-tiers are a rough grind
I run a complete light house build on my Venz. I feel I can dodge 95% of the shots coming in so I don't care if I'm spotted. I'm also always looking for incoming shots while playing.
Venezia, love the ship. One of my clan mates actually said that they would not use this ship because it didnt have HE. These burn the ship down players that refuse to use AP, only make me think of how wargamming rewards poor playing. Even in Clan battles we have the players who refuse to use anything but HE. In clan battles that a short they believe that burning things down which requires much time is better than using AP to sink broadside ships.
currently at the T8 Amalfi. Kinda struggling with it, maybe I'm being too aggressive, not sure. I am looking forward to the Venezia though, looks like a lot of fun.
I really wonder what WG will do for an Italian Supership. I am hoping for something like Napoli with SAP, since I can't find any prototypes that would be viable. I imagine a "refit Napoli"/Ansaldo UP 41, with SAP, a new superstructure, more secondaries, and better secondary pen + AA, would be perfect. It's most likely going to be named "Pisa".
I don't think you understand how superships work, but they take the tier 10 of a line and push it further so a tier 10 Italian supership cruiser would be an improved Venezia. Maybe a Venezia with bigger guns and/or a gimmick, but nothing like Napoli.
@@dzello for one, yamagiri isn't just a shima taken a step further, as it gets the fun button for it's guns. I don't think there can already be assumed a definite design philosophy for superships, as there just aren't that many in the game yet. Apart from that, napoli on crack seems pretty fun to me, and super venezia.. well, just scary as fuck mainly lol
@@symenbrug1992 Both of your points are wrong though? Yamagiri is an improved Shimakaze. It's literally the same ship with improved features all over: better guns, better torps, etc. It's super Shimakaze. There are tons of superships we know about currently, way more than enough to assume a definite design philosphy. Every single one is an improved version of the tier 10 tech tree ship before it. I'm not sure how you think Yamagiri isn't an improved Shimakaze when it's identical but better or how you think there isn't enough superships.. There's like 14?!
@@dzello I'm not saying yamagiri isn't a better shima, I am saying that it doesn't continue in the same vein, as it's gun performance is drastically improved, where the line before that really cant rely on it's guns at all. Yeah they have the alpha, but a yamagiri's burst can melt you fast, which is very much a-typical for the rest of the line.
If you want to play her well, you need to stay at range. She's a sniper. Try to kite and target enemy broadside at the other side of the map. When there's less threats, you can push more.
Venezia with AP is probably the most reliable cruiser slammer in the entire game. 15 guns with 5k with good pen per shell, you get an insane amount of devstrikes on broadside cruisers with it.
My only complain is why the hell.. the venezia.. which can be detected from orbit because its conceal is so bad.. does not have plane type anti sub warfare. Who was the dumbass at WG who said "hey, lets give this ship that can be detected from the other side of the moon... a close range ASW"
I free XPed to TX ... one of my fav. ships together with stalin. lighthouse venezia with double rudder shift for max dmg is awesome to play and fun. and smoke penelty is 9.9km btw ... u looked at air
Idk. Venezia are very selfish and play as such, they tend to stick near the back and last till the end but from what I noticed, they are not end of round ships.
7:55 When going up this line, the turning thing was something I first really noticed around Trento or Zara. I remember being on Estuary and leaving my hard turn on too long, which caused me to severely overturn since it takes a while for the rudder to go back to neutral.
Yeah you have to be careful. The Italian cruisers turn wierd. They bite so hard on the start of the turn but the rudder can't keep up to change direction if you realistically go past half rudder. It's my favorite thing catching Italian cruisers stuck in a turn. Some of the easiest ships to pop in the game... though they're a pain in the ass to hit if yhe captain actually pays attention to incoming fire and maneuvers intelligently.
@ 12:00, up to Tier VIII is a grind. Tier VIII has a real good quick reload, but no heal, Tier IX and X give you slower reload, more guns, and a heal, allowing you to play much more aggressive.
the tier 8 doesn't have a heal, yes, but she's tied for 2nd fastest cruiser in-game at 37 knots base
@@karam6009 The speed and maneuverability saved me a lot of time anyways. I found I could still hold my own in matches if I kept moving.
Until tier 8, just assume that if you get detected=you are already dead
Man, Venezia, my favourite ship. Glad to see this hear, and wonderfully put regards everything you said!
Last time I was this early, my girlfriend got mad.
Omfg stop
Thanks for that chuckle
One reason you might want to run Ship XP bonuses on T10s is to help get your daily containers; if you're mostly playing T10s (eg Ranked), and are only playing a few matches a night, you'll kind of need it to get the second or third containers.
Loved the video, Venezia is so much fun to play and it's great to see it in capable hands.
You are spot on about this ship. Such a reliable and fun boat to hop in to.
Re: Zao - prefer the zao for several reasons - the concealment let’s zao play at a range where hitting dds is much more consistent- the 2-3 km difference means good ds players can react to Venezia and dodge but they can’t react to zao
Secondly, I think zao is better vs bow in targets, especially bbs because he is a better ammunition type in those situations.
Thirdly, zao has an easier time maneuvering into positions where she can ap devastate broadside cruisers, again, due to concealment. Venezia tends to be spotted unless she plays really far back, but from that distance, all Ap broadside volleys are reactable
Love the Zao but honestly Venezia is better.
I've resorted to running RPF on my venezia because of it's lack of any other means of spotting nearby ships. It comes in handy all the time to spot those hidden DDs
I wish resetting captains was cheaper, I would love to give this a try on mine. As you say no hydro is a big negative in the current meta, but at least the speed/maneuverability really helps it avoid torps. Plus with so many guns I tend to just blind fire smoke with decent luck.
@@Swarm509 I run double rudder mod too to evade the torps, although it costs detectability.
@@Swarm509 Do it! Bait the torps and the moment you see them smash the W at the DD and run him over tnx to that RPF!!! You will see that the Radar would feel useless :) Venezia is like a Ferrari, most DDs can't run from it ;)
Personally, I find shooting broadside Venezias extremely trollish at longer ranges (they always overpen or bounce) but maybe that's because of how low they sit in the water?
yes, it sits low and has quite insane turn rate
Easily my favourite tier X cruiser.
The whole line was fantastic tbh.
Thanks for the advice love the one takes! I am equipping my Venesia right now Awesome advice!!! Thanks PQ
i loved the whole tree from tier 6 up to 10 , just so enjoyable!
I had zero interest in the line, hearing it they were terrible and seeing most blow up fast in game, but was getting bored with the game and decided to give them a go.... and wow glad I did! The entire line became my favorite cruisers with some of my best games. Just perfectly fit my maneuver playstyle with how agile they are, not much of a fan of sitting behind island spamming HE, and I could do work with it against DD's and other cruisers. Hell even the torps are pretty damn good, being so slow people forget they exist and you can get some cheeky hits/kills in. Or just throw them out as area denial. Not perfect ships, they have quite a few negatives, but great fun. I may even reset the line for Research Bureau points and do it all again.
Had a lot of luck with them in ranked as well, and wish I could run my Venezia more often. With so many missions requiring HE/fires in the current dockyard I end up in my Hindenburg more often, although that ship is pretty damn fun too.
Yes! Another One Take. I grinded the line recently and Venezia is really a beast.
Ground.
@@EvoraGT430 *le sigh*
Ahhh, Venezia. My first T10, my first love.
Try Venezia lighthouse build, it's so nimble that you can still run at caps and DDs but with better dpm. I'm spotted from 17.6 but I usually still smash the first DD spotted from 10km. Usually lose about 10k-15k hp to trade a DD in the first 2 minutes.
I can say that the Venz is worth the misery that grinding through the T8 and T9 is (I generally enjoyed Trento and Zara). It's versatile, very punchy, and while the lack of hydro and radar is kinda iffy and it sometimes explodes while taking questionable shells at sharp angles, I still love it just because it makes destroyers with SAP and broadsiding cruisers with AP fucking vanish.
Edit: when I used Venz in CBs last season, I ran range mod, like I do on Napoli and Goliath. If you're playing those, then the extra range is worth more for kiting than extra reload, and you don't get Sansonetti's talent in CBs to help make the range not practical suicide. For randoms I'm just fine with reload.
On one hand I love my lighthouse build on venezia with how nice it turns and dodges shells at high speed, on the other hand I like my full concealment build where I got dd spotting going to surprise enemy dd.
I absolutely love my venezia such a strong ship from beginning to end of the game!
I'm a DD main and I know this is a very unpopular opinion, but I feel like this is the most overpowered surface ship in the game. The SAP is absolutely broken in this game and this boat is the best example of that. That's my rant and I move on now lol great video as always
Bro I once got a 24K salvo on Kearsarge in Venezia. And that was not arms race mode. I was shocked after I saw that damage number on my screen.
I run double-rudder on almost all my open water cruisers! I was already pretty good at dodging, adding that has resulted in more lol moments than any other single change!😊 o7
Maneuver tank is best tank if they miss or bunch a ton of shots. Feels good knowing a BB just wasted an entire 30 seconds!
As a DD main I must say Venezia is one of the most dangerous ships in game for me. Radar and CV's are a pain but Venezia will slap a DD really quick.
what i love about this tree is how consistent it is.
Sask is a great province, Great content btw, thanks for this. Cheers
Good vid. Trento on up is great, but I kind of feel like all the lines really become enjoyable at T6. However, it's a different play style and grinding it after Russian, German, US and IJN, I had to re-learn cruiser play. If you get broadside, the Pasta line have huge cits, but smart play makes them far more powerful than they should be with such slow dpm. This seem especially true and T9 & 10.
Curently grinding this ship I am at the tier 8 amalfi currently realy like the line to this point.
I really like this ship as well, and tbh I really enjoyed the grind as well.
Good timing.... I am currently grinding this line. As a rule I hate Italian cruisers..... but if I am honest..... it was just that I hated playing against them..... so I finally decided to grind the line so I can figure out how to kill them more effectively. I keep telling my that the grind will pay off eventually...... but the mid-tiers are a rough grind
Will the road up to Venezia, t5-t9, be as fun as Venezia seems to be?
I run a complete light house build on my Venz. I feel I can dodge 95% of the shots coming in so I don't care if I'm spotted. I'm also always looking for incoming shots while playing.
Man ty! I love this ship so far
Venezia is probably tied with Nevsky for the most impactful cruiser in the entire game, solely to their ability to actually hurt destroyers hard.
Venezia is my favorite ship, she's really fun to play
Look at it this way, youre never going to lack for wheat.
Venezia, love the ship. One of my clan mates actually said that they would not use this ship because it didnt have HE. These burn the ship down players that refuse to use AP, only make me think of how wargamming rewards poor playing.
Even in Clan battles we have the players who refuse to use anything but HE. In clan battles that a short they believe that burning things down which requires much time is better than using AP to sink broadside ships.
currently at the T8 Amalfi. Kinda struggling with it, maybe I'm being too aggressive, not sure. I am looking forward to the Venezia though, looks like a lot of fun.
Kinda funny to find out you live in Saskatchewan. This province is like the ocean map, but land
PQ forgot he put the clock mod so we can tell what time it is XD
I really wonder what WG will do for an Italian Supership. I am hoping for something like Napoli with SAP, since I can't find any prototypes that would be viable. I imagine a "refit Napoli"/Ansaldo UP 41, with SAP, a new superstructure, more secondaries, and better secondary pen + AA, would be perfect. It's most likely going to be named "Pisa".
Man imagine a Venezia but with an alternative fire mode like Conde omg
I don't think you understand how superships work, but they take the tier 10 of a line and push it further so a tier 10 Italian supership cruiser would be an improved Venezia. Maybe a Venezia with bigger guns and/or a gimmick, but nothing like Napoli.
@@dzello for one, yamagiri isn't just a shima taken a step further, as it gets the fun button for it's guns. I don't think there can already be assumed a definite design philosophy for superships, as there just aren't that many in the game yet.
Apart from that, napoli on crack seems pretty fun to me, and super venezia.. well, just scary as fuck mainly lol
@@symenbrug1992 Both of your points are wrong though?
Yamagiri is an improved Shimakaze. It's literally the same ship with improved features all over: better guns, better torps, etc. It's super Shimakaze.
There are tons of superships we know about currently, way more than enough to assume a definite design philosphy. Every single one is an improved version of the tier 10 tech tree ship before it.
I'm not sure how you think Yamagiri isn't an improved Shimakaze when it's identical but better or how you think there isn't enough superships.. There's like 14?!
@@dzello I'm not saying yamagiri isn't a better shima, I am saying that it doesn't continue in the same vein, as it's gun performance is drastically improved, where the line before that really cant rely on it's guns at all. Yeah they have the alpha, but a yamagiri's burst can melt you fast, which is very much a-typical for the rest of the line.
Smoke firing pen is 9.9km
I didn't know PQ was a prairie boy from Canada! Greetings from 'berta!
Love your vids and your commentary! As a subscriber I do have one request: Could you please say the word "about" in your next vid? ;)
Yeah it's aboot time he says it
@@aluminumati_147 aboot time ha ha
What is the mod in the left bottom that allows you to see a silhouet of the angle of the enemy ship vs yours?
I think it's called Running Lights
i always struggle choosing where to put sansonetti, it's too expensive to just move him around.
would you say this is a good "first heavy cruiser tier 10"? or more of a second i cant tell if i want this or hindenburg more
TBH, you probably want DM or Petro first.
@@lucidnonsense942 I don't want Petro too op... And dm is des Moines right?
Get Schlieffen, it's basically a heavy cruiser with its armor.
Good video, I find it funny when you did a review of the Congress you said 6 or 7k savos was bad but 6k savo on this ship and you'll take it ?? Hmm
Potato quality could you do izumo next? I recently got her but i can't play good with her:(
Right now he's doing Tier 10 ships, so he'd be doing Yamato.
If you want to play her well, you need to stay at range. She's a sniper. Try to kite and target enemy broadside at the other side of the map. When there's less threats, you can push more.
Pronunctiation is great, actually. Ve-ne-zia
its on my list to grind, just got to get past teir 8..
21:40 spotter plane because it was so close to you
I can recomend took the radio location skill. It may not as good as top grade gunner, but at least you're not completely blind
I wondering if the Italian tech tree AP shell was on the strong side, i remember got nice damage from broadside BB around 10km
Venezia with AP is probably the most reliable cruiser slammer in the entire game. 15 guns with 5k with good pen per shell, you get an insane amount of devstrikes on broadside cruisers with it.
Her AP damage is somewhat underwhelming, but with that amount of shell she can throws i can says it's very powerfull
Doesn’t commander and free xp scale off earned xp? When I removed the xp bonus from my premiums, the other 2 fell off a cliff.
This ship does the same thing the Zao did, but better. What it also does, is doing the same thing the Gibraltar does, but waaaaay better
is amalfi worth keeping when you get it???
Is RPF any good for this? I feel the speed of Venezia and RPF is probably a decent combo for dealing with a DD and removes some guessing.
One take Scharnhorst
You weren't spotted BEFORE you used your smoke. 24:34.
The middle-tier Italian Cruisers are just so painful to play terrible Cruisers
Can one pick up Sansonetti these days? I missed him 2 yrs ago apparently
The containers should be available for coal in the Armoury. You have to complete a collection and Sansonetti is the reward
“Venezia” means Venice in Italian, so you’re not wrong 🤷♂️
Yes
Venezia dies really good to YY torps. Killed one today. He died nicely
My only complain is why the hell.. the venezia.. which can be detected from orbit because its conceal is so bad.. does not have plane type anti sub warfare.
Who was the dumbass at WG who said "hey, lets give this ship that can be detected from the other side of the moon... a close range ASW"
You CC people should encourage WG to let T10s play in Operations. Can't wait to bring Venezia out there and smash the very high hp DDs.
is napoli better or worse than this?
Surely easier
Even a gk will run if its against venezia
ship request constellations or borodino please
I free XPed to TX ... one of my fav. ships together with stalin. lighthouse venezia with double rudder shift for max dmg is awesome to play and fun. and smoke penelty is 9.9km btw ... u looked at air
Team mates like that Agir and Halland are what irritate me most about this game.
Just, such odd decisions. Decisions that cost the game lol
Idk. Venezia are very selfish and play as such, they tend to stick near the back and last till the end but from what I noticed, they are not end of round ships.
9.9* Smoke Penalty… not 12.1 😝
watching this vid in 2023
i'll take Venezia over the PR one take
Pronunciation definitely needs work since you use another languages word for the city the ship is named after 😂
It's a good ship but a bit boring...
Haha 97k damage not a good game, still top player lol