Fantastic, my wife & daughter came home just after Ed talked about spiteful mutants, while I was minding the dog and watching in the kitchen, and I was instantly accused of creating a hostile atmosphere. Another job well done! ;)
The real world is a hostile place and she should be grateful that you have taken interest in and may be willing to do something in preparation for shit hitting the fan. Or if she'd rather be a liability that places feigning that "everything is fine and peaceful in status quo la-la land" above acting in response to a looming collapse, then her future likely isn't promising.
I won't tell you how to manage your affairs, but if your wife used the phrase "creating a hostile atmosphere" unironically as an accusation, then you might have a problem at mill.
An absolutely phenomenal and hilarous episode. He launched so many truth pills at a frantic rate. Thank you Boyce for once again inviting the best guests. 🤗
Eh, it's the same Ed Dutton horse and pony show he gives on every livestream. It gets a little repetitive livestreamers asking the same questions on intelligence and IQ again and again and listening to Ed give the same lecture over intelligence and IQ again and again. Just wish these normie TH-camrs like Benjamin had more imagination with their interview Q's. That said, not bad overall.
@@ForeverTemplar Good comment. But you have to start somewhere (as the host). But I think your comment highlights why it's important to invite interesting guests back after a while, and do it repeatedly. So you can ask more questions and a get a deeper and more sophisticated conversation.
None of his arguments make sense if you actually examine them though. We already have the ability to select for traits we want in our children and that's going to naturally lead to a more intelligent population with less disease. And we have AI coming online, and we can EASILY fix these slow moving problems that he's talking about. These arguments made sense to think about 100 years ago, but they're all completely moot today.
@@sketchyemailer101 It's irrelevant whether we have the ability to select for traits we want in our children or not. It's easy to do the math: Low IQ people having many children and starting at a young age. High IQ people having few children and at an older age. Result: Avg. IQ going down quickly. Not only it makes total sense and it is easy to understand but all actual measurements are confirming the decline in IQ in Western countries. You might not be familiar with the literature. It's not a theory, every new measurement has been confirming it for the last few years.
@@sketchyemailer101 He addressed that though... the people who can afford to take advantage of the tech that makes this possible arent having enough kids to compensate for the higher birth rates of lower iq people. They simply dont want kids so it isnt a matter of being able to choose traits.
@@carlotapuig No, we literally have the ability to introduce high IQ traits to populations that don't have any of those traits, genetically we can do that, and we can also do that with with medicine. The problem isn't that we don't have the ability to do stuff, the problem is how powerful all the tech we have is. There's something called a gene drive that could literally force traits to spread in the population. You all are completely off base in your concerns. You have concerns that made sense 100 years ago, not relevant to what's actually going on with science and technology.
I just quit my academic job to become an electrician. Anticipating this collapse I thought it may be much more usefull to know how to produce a little energy than citing plato.
Welcome to the fray... However, don't discard entirely your former acuities... we have to be able to look forward to the coming age of the philosopher trades....
@@kellyharbeson18 its actually not about the money. I have a working class background and was the first of my wider family to make it to university. Now i worked 10 years in an office and led a unit. Here is what i have learned: after university i knew a lot of theories and couldnt do anything. The job i did could have been done by everybody. Actually there is no university degree necessary for 70% of all office jobs. They are required because there are just to many of them out there. At least 50% of all office jobs espescially in bigger companies are totally useless bs jobs. And people know it. As a result the only way to justify the above average paycheck is a moral superiority complex against workers and such people. Hence the success of wokeness. But I felt a deep emptiness by this situation. I couldnt devalue my background any longer. Finally i came to the conclussion that the average office guy wount make it to pension age withou usefull skills. In the end its accountents and back officers who will find themselves replaced by digitization. And under current conditions i truely do believe that we are facing some sort of colapse.
leftism: Otherwise known as “progressivism” and even more inaccurately as “liberalism”, leftism is a term originating from the French Revolution of 1789, in reference to the political faction that opposed the French (so-called) king. However, the term is currently used in common discourse to describe those criminals who actively support (or at least tacitly condone) a host of OBJECTIVELY-WICKED ideologies and practices that contravene dharma, such as non-monarchical governances and corrupt economic systems (particularly socialism, communism, fascism, and liberal democracies), egalitarianism, feminism, perverse sexuality (especially homosexuality, bestiality, and transvestism), multiculturalism, and the illegitimate abortion of innocent, defenceless, unborn children. Cf. “dharma”. In the past decade or two (of this treatise being composed), the mass media, especially the motion picture industry and television production companies, has been aggressively promoting all the above CRIMINAL ideologies and practices, helping to expedite the destruction of human society. Recently, large corporations have jumped on the leftist bandwagon (so to speak), in order to profit. As explicated in Chapter 11 of this “A Final Instruction Sheet for Humanity”, the state of being of any particular human (or any other animal, for that matter) is due entirely to his or her genetic sequencing and his or her conditioning. Therefore, the explosion of the leftist/liberal mentality in recent decades, particularly in Western countries, has been caused by poor breeding strategies overtaking the more conservative tradition of mate-selection of previous centuries (and indeed, millennia). In other words, due to the fact that criminal behaviour (especially the deviant sexual acts mentioned above) has become increasingly more tolerated, condoned, and even GLORIFIED in most countries, there has been a proliferation of corrupt genetic codes within the wider human population. According to genealogists, for (almost) the entire history of humanity, most women have successfully reproduced, whilst a far far smaller percentage of males have bequeathed their genetic sequence to proceeding generations. Due to the gradual phasing-out of polygamous marriages in even the most conservative societies, as well as the eradication of poverty in most every country, more and more men (as well as women) have been producing offspring. Thus, the human genome has rapidly become adulterated by inferior genetic material (that is, DNA from truly pathetic, uxorious beta-males, bisexuals, and even homosexual couples who engage surrogate mothers or sperm donors in order to conceive children - something of a rare occurrence in previous centuries/millennia). For centuries, breeders of elite animals such as horses, cattle, and dogs, have known that selecting the finest examples of a breed of animal will result in offspring with desirable characteristics. For example, present day thoroughbred horses boast a pedigree of the best-available horses from the seventeenth century. Such breeders are willing to pay enormous sums of money merely to hire the fastest stallions on earth in order for them to mate with their mares. In the case of we humans, women have traditionally chosen the most competent and masculine men with whom to bear children, and in general, have totally eschewed those males who displayed effeminate traits, and who showed themselves incapable of properly supporting a nuclear family. Unfortunately, due to rapid moral decay over the past few decades, Western women have become extremely sexually promiscuous, resulting in a multiplication of unwanted progeny (and, of course, an escalation of abortions). Boys born to single mothers often lack proper male roles models and invariably become feminized, unable (and often unwilling) to continue a strong lineage of progenitors. The solution to this problem is simply to ensure that society adheres to the principles of DHARMA (see the Glossary definition of that term, as well as Chapter 12). Unsurprisingly, the majority of leftists find it difficult to accept the fact that their criminal mentality is largely inherited (and of course, they are unwilling to acknowledge the blatantly-obvious fact that their ideologies and practices are intrinsically sinful, wicked, evil and immoral in the first place!). It seems the consensus amongst leftist “intellectuals” is that every human mental trait is due entirely to one’s environmental conditioning and social milieu, rather than as a consequence of BOTH one’s genetic sequence and one’s life-long conditioning - a fundamentally-flawed assertion that cannot be scientifically supported. I would not be surprised if the typical leftist would believe that, if the parents of the twentieth century communist tyrant, Joseph Stalin, and the parents of the Divine Incarnation, Lord Jesus Christ, had somehow crossed the time barrier, and exchanged their baby boys shortly after their birth, that Stalin would have grown to become a Prophet for God, whilst Christ would have become a murderous, left-wing dictator! This term was very reluctantly used in the chapter on feminism. I say “reluctantly” because it is unlikely that the term will perdure for many decades longer. This is simple deductive logic, since, as clearly demonstrated in certain chapters in “F.I.S.H”, human civilization cannot survive with such leftist practices and ideologies in place. If you happen to be reading this Holy Scripture a century or more after its conception, you will probably be residing in a nation (as opposed to a country) ruled by a monarch, following the implosion of post-modern, decadent societies. So, either the term “leftism” will eventually become redundant and obsolete, or else, human civilization will devolve into a decadent, diseased state of existence similar to that of the prehistoric era, when the peoples of the world resided in caves or shacks, subsisting on whatever food can be sourced from the surrounding bushland. I trust that you who are reading these wise words will endeavour to influence your social circles to adhere to right-leaning ideologies and practices, such as (above all) monarchical governance, an entirely free-market economy, sexual purity, veganism, and all other virtuous principles. Fear not, for God is with you! P.S. As a general rule, it seems (at least anecdotally) that the farther left-leaning is a person, the more physically (and of course, psychologically) UGLY is that person. Unfortunately, that does not seem to prevent leftists from propagating their mutant genes.🤡 N.B. In order to clarify the notion of inheritability, it is not being claimed that an adharmic (far-left) couple will INVARIABLY produce leftist children, but that it is more PROBABLE that they will do so, considering their genetic sequence and the environmental conditioning they are bound to impart to their children, just as two parents with a certain physiological disorder are more likely to generate offspring with that specific disease. In this regards, it is recommended to study introductory texts on epigenetics. 🧬 In my particular case, I was raised by a staunch communist, and so was indoctrinated to believe that communism was the best course of action for a just society. Indeed, as a teenager, I even volunteered in the election campaign of a socialist politician, who eventually became the Premiere of the state of Western Australia. However, after studying dharma, I came to learn that I was misled by my father in this regards, and that the only system of governance that is dharmic (legitimate) is a divinely-sanctioned monarchy.
Respected British anthropology professor, Dr. Edward Dutton, has demonstrated that “LEFTISM” is due to genetic mutations caused by poor breeding strategies. 🤡 To put it simply, in recent decades, those persons who exhibit leftist traits such as egalitarianism, feminism, gynocentrism, socialism, multiculturalism, transvestism, homosexuality, perverse morality, and laziness, have been reproducing at rates far exceeding the previous norm, leading to an explosion of insane, narcissistic SOCIOPATHS in (mostly) Western societies.
Just look how often philanthropists and governments spend millions and billions trying to get the academically inept "caught up." We're so obsessed with not leaving anyone behind we've lost sight of facilitating the development of those we will need to lead us.
The bit about ancient Greece and Rome collapsing because of wealth induced "liberalism" and therefore the elites not having children anymore, so next step the dumb take over, was very interesting and sounded solid, because we can see it happening right now again. He had a lot of those bold bits, quite the interesting mad professor type of guy. Love this episode!
Nature parameterizes man and growing distant from it erodes his form and functionality. We're held together and exist through the limitations placed upon us and as we head toward a more technophilic system, which we come to depend on through being incapacitated to exist in nature, the more 'debt' (spiritual or whatever word you'd like to use) we incur until we live loftily in a structure of our own creation and forget the Truth till it comes to harvest the debt found in the gap between immutable reality and social/technological construction. This _is_ what is described as 'The Beast System'. A system that becomes nigh inescapable. Group virtue-behavior wielding modern technology. Insidious and encompassing. A lullaby of supposed good intentions paving the way to a whimpering Hell.
@@soulfuzz368 Yeah, 30 years ago i never would've thought to witness another fall of rome in my lifetime. They already had sewage, ice-cream and advanced debate culture, christianity however then brought 800 years of mind-numbing simplicity (scholastics). Woke has all the ingredients to become another one of those 800 years of idiocy :(
But we didn't run out of people we stopped defending our borders. If we had twice as many of us we would still be less than 20% of the globe. This is just more liberal poison that people think the only way to stop immigration is to have more kids. If you had more kids that would just create more wealth and more people would come to take advantage of it. What you are looking for is collectivism or individualism. Those are the reasons we don't defend our society or care about it's future.
My family tells me, repeatedly, that I'm the most intelligent person they know. It's just that I'm too stupid to do anything with it. They're not wrong. A series of unfortunate decisions wrecked 20 years of my life. Good times.
You have a role to play here in #clownworld, that is without a doubt. Maybe going " monkmode" for a few weeks or months might reveal what all of the supposed " unfortunate decisions" have miraculously crafted you to BE. in the current year ;) Much love
Yeah I’m in a similar boat. Remember: often quite smart people have low conscientiousness. Organise your life so you can work smarted not harder. Smart people hate working hard.
This has got to be the most concise, yet expansive and seminal critical review of the movie "Idiocracy" I have ever seen on youtube. Mauler needs to take notes from this guy.
Ive loved Ed for years. Brilliant guy. Im glad Benny had him on. Im wholly black-pilled but have to be white-pilled for my children who are the only thing Im willing to fight for.
It would be so great if he was the guest speaker at some hardcore liberal university's sociology class. And he starts saying the things he says here. Seriously, someone has to set this up and have hidden cameras trained on everyone faces. He starts off mild. Then gradually goes full rightwing reality.
Can confirm; both of my parents had issues with impulsivity & a propensity for being “dissociative” I can tell I’m seriously living on the hood graces of more accomplished people around me.
Here is the Heretic's voice Ed talks with Benjamin Boyce We hear a review Of declining IQ A chat that's a quality choice To see me read lines such as these You can with the greatest of ease My channel peruse You've nothing to lose In this way, I do aim to please
Respected British anthropology professor, Dr. Edward Dutton, has demonstrated that “LEFTISM” is due to genetic mutations caused by poor breeding strategies. 🤡 To put it simply, in recent decades, those persons who exhibit leftist traits such as egalitarianism, feminism, gynocentrism, socialism, multiculturalism, transvestism, homosexuality, perverse morality, and laziness, have been reproducing at rates far exceeding the previous norm, leading to an explosion of insane, narcissistic SOCIOPATHS in (mostly) Western societies.
One of the wiser ideas I've had is that when most of human industry is geared towards making our lives easier, we will quickly ease ourselves right out of existence, because of another wise idea I had in my 20s, that hard competition (basically just fighting) between species AND both between & within human societies keeps our species viable. That no politician on earth seems to have realized this is one of the bigger problems keeping us on this path to self-destruction.
I can't help be think of the Club of Rome (which somewhat morphed into the WEF) saying in the 70's that a population timebomb was ticking. Now we appear to have a rampant liberal ideology the if Dutton is correct subconsciously discourages having children.
Well the fact that the western forces have used the middle east and now Ukraine to test out their weapons over the last thirty years suggest that this is a consideration (if only a geo-political one)
perhaps if we live in a world which organizes itself in such a way, where zero sum domination/submission games are unavoidable, self destruction may be in itself a noble goal
Benjamin i would never have thought you ended up speaking with his Majesty prof Dutton. The Universe clearly wants intelligent people to pull together❤
I really needed to hear this. I have been drowning in pessimism. There is so much craziness being voiced. When people more intelligent than me speak truth it is refreshing. I am so weary from the nonsense coming out of universities. Before censorship reduces voices to only the woke I must fill my mind with good information.
I came to the USA from a communist country. I am from a family of high IQ (at the right end of the bell curve around high150s). I noticed that American lefties, church people, illegals, and blacks are most likely also low IQ people, because otherwise they would have reasoned what they do make little sense.
I can literally observe myself becoming dumber the more reels/shorts I watch. And when I muster the willpower to stop for a sustained time, I can literally observe myself becoming normal again, but it takes a while.
According to Kingsley Amis’ “Memoirs”, Anthony Burgess when visiting London (Burgess lived variously in Italy and France) carried a sword stick. He said that when menaced by yobs, he intended to wave the sword about and shout, “Fuck off! I’ve got cancer!”
I'm going to try that at my local choir (public group)r. A subchoir (private group) of the choir (doctor lead) booted me out 10 years ago despite my colon cancer dx (2005 - they knew!!). They socially isolated me so I left the main choir as well. I became a grey nomad, until covid drove me back home. I'm going to play the trump card - breast cancer dx 2018 if they try and boot me out agin. Cancer double down, I reckon, it's time, lol.
Thank you so much for posting an intelligent conversation. I especially appreciate the breakdown of what elements make up an IQ assessment. The easiest litmus test I know to figure out if you're being to the truth is whether or not it fits the official narrative. If the powers that be are spreading, "IQ doesn't matter" after 50 unsuccessful years of trying to equalize it, you can bet your bottom dollar it matters.
Ben just grimacing for minutes on end. I'm 24 minutes in. Fascinating video. I've been very dismissive of eugenics, "Neo-Malthusian" concepts etc. for quite some time, but Mr. Dutton's discussion here is forcing me to rethink many things.
I love Dutton’s Jolly Heretic TH-cam channel. Years ago when first listening to Ed, I forced myself to listen to him over and over and research his comments to attempt to better understand what he was blurting out like a lighthouse spinning so fast that it was causing me photophobia. Even bought the out of print book “Ethnic Conflicts - Their Biological Roots In Ethnic Nepotism” by Tatu Vanhanen all because the good doctor mentioned it in passing. I realized what initially sounded like preposterous talk of Darwinian devolution by DNA was in fact happening and this man, Professor Edward Dutton was not only on to something but brilliantly had targeted the number one cause or source of humanity’s current woke liberal demise. When children since 1900’s stopped dying by 50% prior to the age of 10 due to advancements in science and 99 out of 100 children survive today to breed, natural selection ended. Natural selection selecting out the weak minded, leaving the least fit less intelligent people to propagate in larger numbers and the more intelligent to wait till their 30’s to have children and usually one or two max certainly will not end well. My gut tells me it’s worse than what the good doctor envisions for Western society. I believe the fewer and fewer intellectuals who are self centered and power hungry are also mostly mutants, kinda like Nero of Rome types. So society is dumbing down and down but those at the top are becoming more maladaptive spiteful intellectuals. Not a great combo for the West.
Same here! I can’t remember his exact words, but I’m pretty sure he has discussed the point that you mentioned towards the end about how politicians, philanthropists, leaders, etc are becoming increasingly maladaptive and individualistic. I’ll have to see if I can find it.
Many intelligent and creative people are not in positions of leadership though. Those in government etc who have gained some extreme power through politics are more ruthless and sociapathic, rather than having intelligence or talent. Generally they are educated at expensive public schools and make influential connections, again a factor in their political career rather than actual talent! As our present government along with other's grow even more tyrannical and corrupt, I have often wondered how some people do not even notice this! The dumbing down of western society has been a factor in the apathy! As I said though, thankfully we have many intelligent, creative and talented people who do have morals. I do believe in the next few years we will develop parallel societies, in order for people who hold same values and traditions to work alongside each other. We would have medics, scientists, farmers etc in order to flourish, away from government overreach. Our democracy and values are been destroyed by these psychopathic leaders, and the endless taxation of everything never ends. The taxation of our freedoms currently, and we did not appoint the WHO to dictate over us, yet they seem to think they wield all power! Most of these psychopaths in these positions are self elected, not chosen by us, and certainly beyond useless, but the narcissim is unbelievable! The swamp needs well and truly draining.
And the schools are self destructing because they pretend to not be aware of the implications of IQ testing. In other words, they will not tailor curriculum to the intelligence quotient of the individual student, increasing manual arts programs for those with low IQs but rather persisting in forcing them to fail at academic programs which are clearly unsuited to those with especially low intelligence, but to a great extent also inappropriate for those with even average intelligence. Yet if one enlists in the navy the first thing they do is measure recruit’s IQs then assign them to “A” schools which have explicit IQ requirements.
That was absolutely amazing, and quite illuminating. This is a topic that has been fermenting in my mind for a while, and I appreciate the history, sociology, and genetics. Eugenics is so urgently relevant right now, and I have heard too many defenses of it lately. This was refreshing. Thank you, both!
To be fair to Nero’s “wife”, Nero had destroyed him as a boy, he was castrated and mutilated and abused by one of the worst emperors of Rome for being unfortunate enough to vaguely resemble Nero’s mother. I’d argue he was in more of a battered wife syndrome than “oh yeah he was into that” I think it’s more that he feared there was no life left for him outside of those chains that he knew.
@Bernards Yes. About ancient Rome? Yes. Tons of info. Not much room for doubt about something like this. This person was horribly abused and mutilated from the time he was an infant and tormented all of his miserable life at the hands of a brutal tyrant, and now thousands of years later, you want to deny his pain?
his metaphor with India is so damn perfect ... I love watching walkabout vlogs of India cities and you can instantly visually see what he was describing as the reasons
Benjamin, you should really read Paul Kingsnorth's book Alexandria. He describes what that post collapse society would look like and has been very prescient with his predictions so far. I absolutely loved it, that and Beast. You should read both.
Most interesting conversation. Mary Harrington (Feminism Against Progress) in some ways provides a counterweight to some of Ed Dutton's arguments but chimes with others. Look forward to your conversation with her. Humble suggestion for future calmversation: Paul Kingsnorth (The Abbey of Misrule on Substack). Cheers Benjamin.
I've been looking for optimal regions for creativity for a decade, but I haven't found them. My vision is to create micro communities of common interest in rural areas, where there is enough geographic isolation so that people could know each other again, and so that these communities can create a culture distinct from the macro culture, much like new species emerged on the gallpagos islands. And eventually the best ones will attract more people and grow into something bigger.
Good luck with the county building department wherever you buy your land. The first thing you’ll run into is requirements to install expensive septic systems which only the local contractors are allowed to install, and whose components must be commercially manufactured. Then also you will be required to electrify, even though old order Amish are exempt from such requirements.
Texas does have a problem with Californian refugees moving here and voting for the same policies. The bright side is that they all move to Austin, which is already lost.
There’s a Norwegian study that shows that IQ is declining within families (wealthy families too). So I’d argue that rich people breeding more isn’t going to do much. I think (my opinion, I haven’t read any studies on this topic) that IQ and other types of intelligence in general are greatly affected by the environment. So naturally, if you always have access to fast answers and resources that work fast (I mean: google, video games, tiktok etc), your attention span decreases which makes you more susceptible to manipulation and less prone to critical thinking, you’re not able to develop skills needed for complex problem solving, therefore your IQ is going to be lower.
Not quite, from my understanding of the studies IQ is largely genetic, 0.7 inheritable, with a significant but not huge environmental factor. Think of it as your genes give you a range of what your IQ could be, 100 - 115 (for example) your environment then determines where you end up on that spectrum. If you stimulate your brain with books, test questions, difficult lessons ect, you reach your 'phenotypic maximum' (the highest IQ you can get) or if you don't study/deprived of an education ect, you end up at the bottom end of your potential spectrum. Important to note that video games, educational TH-cam video's, even TV counts as stimulation, its just not as good as books ect. Furthermore research shows generally mid-wits (people with IQ of 115-125~) are the easiest to indoctrinate because since they are smart they can convince themselves of the ideology/narrative that's put in front of them if it's in their best interest socially, this is why you see Liberal echo Chambers in elite uni's.
@@-tom-8720 Generally people who are easily indoctrinated are not very smart, as they lack critical thought and the ability to adapt. These ideologies are often regressive if not quite infantile in beliefs. That in itself shows a rather basic intelligence and definately a lack of investigative and critical thought! Just to add, simply studying academically or theoretically is not likely to develop maximum intelligence. Some would like you to belive in that delusion, in order to somehow feel superior, lol. Learning to master crafts such as joinery, sculpture, engineering, learning a musical instrument and even building a house from scratch etc etc, are all skills which involve our intelligence, as well as physical abilities! Those skills and abilities which are also of greater value to society 😉😊
My IQ test is two fold: do you believe in flying saucers yes or no/ do you believe that Jesus Christ actually existed as a historical figure yes or no. I find that the stupid people tend to believe in Jesus rather than flying saucers. In fact the stupid people laugh at those who suspect that flying saucers are real but insist on pointing out that Christianity is exactly like pagan mythology.
One of your best, Boyce. Please have him back and continue this discussion about IQ as it relates to conservatism and liberalism (particularly the fall of the liberals, I liked hearing that).
Mad Max world to come... can't wait. Great interview and enjoyable guest. Love it when the interviewer allows the guest to talk and complete a thought.
1:02:30 it was pleasing to hear someone else express this view, I don't feel so alone now. For about a decade (or more even) I've been trying to tell my friends that the future I see us barrelling into is not 1984 or Brave New World or any of these highbrow dystopias but simply Mad Max. Now I get to share this video with them and point them to the time stamp while I put my best "I told you so" leather, chains and spikes outfit.
But to brag about it would require it to have already happened or at least begin to happen. I doubt two dudes expressing views is an "I told ya so" moment?
The capacity for genuine empathy and sympathy is perhaps the highest form of intelligence. Because it comes from a knowledge, a deep understanding of why someone is the way he/she is. In other words, its a form of selflessness. In other words, you need to get outside of yourself and walk a mile in someone elses shoes in order to understand them. I think that seemingly highly intelligent people, who would score high on a Mensa test yet suffer emotionally or have nasty personalities and so forth, its all quite literally not being able to get over one self, to let go of one self so one can see the bigger picture. And thats whats holding people back in life. Its just bundled up knotted energy going in circles. For lack of better words.
If IQ is falling, the idea that AI will save us is rather silly. The infrastructure that is required to run AI would quickly fall into disrepair. Who is going to maintain the power grid that the AI needs?
@Divergent_Integral Never going to happen. It's this kind of thinking that's dooming us. If you've not yet noticed that everything is turning to crap you're not paying attention. When was the last time you engaged with any service provider? How was your experience?
He reviewed Idiocracy after all these comments. He then concluded that Mike Judge got it wrong, Idiocracy is happening far faster and will be far worse than the movie.
Edward strongly reminds me of the character 'Lord John Marbury' (played by Roger Rees) in Series 2 of 'The West Wing'. 🤣 - On a serious note: many of the concepts and processes he discusses are 'Kryptonite' for the Woke idealogues who now run our universities.
The idea of compassion as a show of "runaway individualism" is a beautifully precise illustration of left-brained psychopathic terminology, worthy of A Brave New World or 1984. Remember the medieval legend of Parzifal, in which the hero finally accesses the Holy Grail only after an exhibit of compassion. Also, the jungian term for enlightenment is "individuation."
This was a surprise but a good one at that. Get Mary Harrington back on about her transhumanism book as well - that's been an interesting topic and has some convergence in terms of humanity potentially letting technological attractors mangle it's future.
Another problem in our society is that the rich can have kids because they can afford it, and the poor often live off of the payments that their kids bring in from the government. The middle class, however, are having few kids because it is simply too expensive and for so many men having a family is simply not worth the risk in this day and age where women have all the advantages, especially in divorce and alimony. So, both the rich and poor grow while the middle class gets hollowed out.
Nobody in their right mind would want to be middle class. Although well educated I prefer working class jobs like seafaring and barbering. Middle class existence is unbearably dull and colorless compared to the freewheeling existence of the upper and lower orders. After all, most of the churchgoing population is middle class. Joining a church is like volunteering to get treated like a peasant.
"however, are having few kids because it is simply too expensive and for so many men having a family is simply not worth the risk in this day and age where women have all the advantages, especially in divorce and alimony" This is just pure fucking cope, it doesnt matter how much money u have if idiots can have kids while living a jungle or a trailer park. as a middle class person there is nothing stopping you from having kids other then your own sense of comfort, and in taht case rich people really dont have kids either.
@@C3l3bi1 Excellent points. I always go back to my teenage years at the Canadian canoe tripping camp spending two months traveling by canoe, sleeping on the ground, and visiting all these marginal little towns in north Ontario where people were living in tiny cottages and seemed perfectly content. The fact is people are spoiled and lazy. Also people don’t trust each other enough to form viable partnerships. And kids aren’t as expensive as middle class people imagine considering how they can be accommodated to hand me downs and so forth. Then also nowadays people are so lazy they don’t even cook anymore and spend hundreds upon hundreds of dollars each month on take out food. But I don’t have any kids either. I’m not very good at putting up with womens’ nonsense.
Given climate change, resource depletion, fishery collapse, soil degradation, ecosystem collapses, 6th Mass Extinction, increasing drought and heat waves, sea level rise, increasing global conflicts, and now this IQ degradation! How can anyone have a shred of hope regarding our continued existence in 50-60 yrs. I'm afraid the WASTELAND is unavoidable.
'The less intelligent woman drops out of school at 16.' I dropped out of school at 15, went to work in London and, after raising a family, returned to education, university level, in my 50s. So many generalisations in this video.
But generalisations are, by definition, not necessarily true of every member of the category in question. But they are still either true or untrue. I suggest you are an exception that proves the rule.
Intelligence doesn't always equal wisdom but wisdom always equals intelligence. I'm seeing a unique change here in the states. People who have very high intelligence are opting for a simpler life. Not so much going to universities anymore. Many are choosing trade schools and apprenticeships or forgoing any sort of organized higher learning and educating themselves through living. I have lived many places but were I live now is very rural. People here seem to have quite high intelligence coupled with wisdom. Status is not a reason for respect around here and it certainly doesn't mean higher IQ. I am see people who could have had all the degrees of any highly educated person but raising highly intelligent children and devoting themselves to a holsom down to earth life is what they have chosen.
I guess I am part of the decline, I couldn't tolerate the full book. I just listened to the audiobook, and only certain points stuck. Once children are a matter of pro and con, it's over. Nature knows nothing about pro and con. That is all I remembers, but perhaps it is because I have been fascinated by birth rates since 2006? I never wanted any children, why should I spend perfectly good money to change diapers?
The problem with AI is whenever they truly let it think for itself it seems to conclude there are too many people. Be cautious with the belief you can control a greater intelligence for long.
I am really glad that TH-cam has a setting feature that allows you to slow down playback speed. This not only allows me to follow mr. Dutton’s argument but also makes him sound a little drunk which makes it more funny and less depressing
I grew up in a rural area and was a fun loving party girl weirdo downright hillybilly science nerd 😂. I moved to the city for grad school. After a decade I left. I just could never get used to the lack of community, although the people at my job were fantastic and made their own little community. Outside of that group, the world seemed sterile. A decade there and I moved back to my small town. I became quite conservative and am active in church. Now this area is also becoming liberal and loosing the sense of community. Outside of family, church feels like the only community oriented place.
When he's talking about intelligence and bees - two book recommendations: The Mind of a Bee by Lars Chittka, and Are We Smart Enough to Know How Smart Animals Are? by Frans de Waal.
Idiocracy is my favorite movie. If you haven't seen it, please do. It's a parody of the dumbing down of society. It's more relevant now than when it was released.
Just to add a broader view - American developmental psychologist & senior director of Harvard's "Project Zero" Howard Gardner has a Theory of Multiple Intelligences: -Logical-Mathematical Intelligence -Visual-Spatial Intelligence -Linguistic-Verbal Intelligence -Bodily-Kinesthetic Intelligence -Musical Intelligence -Interpersonal Intelligence -Intrapersonal Intelligence -Naturalistic Intelligence -Spiritual Intelligence
I witnessed that happening in Glasgow;s southside the gentry intelligentsia moved in as activists with autonomous space spray paint and pay what you can cafes then rounded up the sheeple. Best interview to date. Food for thought and my brain is reaching obesity keep up the good work Boycey.
Aristotle and F Scot Fitzgerald had the notion that Intelligence is the ability to hold 2 opposing or competing views in one's head at the same time / If this definition is accurate then we are most definitely in decline in the last 20 years (as Haidt's work on the polarization of people's political views confirms)... The black/white dichotomous thinking (also mirrored by computers binary operations) is low level thinking.. So we can conclude that undifferentiated or over stimulated affective side of humans blocks are ability for higher level thinking
_"...mirrored by computers binary operations..."_ Now _that's_ an interesting observation. I'll add that the social media 'like/dislike' feature has likely heavily contributed to the dichotomous thinking you describe. No need to sit back, reflect, and possibly contribute a developed and nuanced thought. Just decide yay or nay and move onto the next thing.
@@MrSmith-ve6yo hey great comments building on original idea thx! Also I like to say only two options for thinking “As if those are the ONLY possibilities “ LOL anyone with any evolved creativity knows there is a wide range of possibilities on the scale😀
Fantastic, my wife & daughter came home just after Ed talked about spiteful mutants, while I was minding the dog and watching in the kitchen, and I was instantly accused of creating a hostile atmosphere. Another job well done! ;)
You have to sneak the redpills into your wife's food, you can't just give them out by themselves :p
😂😅
The real world is a hostile place and she should be grateful that you have taken interest in and may be willing to do something in preparation for shit hitting the fan. Or if she'd rather be a liability that places feigning that "everything is fine and peaceful in status quo la-la land" above acting in response to a looming collapse, then her future likely isn't promising.
That's what you get for letting your penis do the thinking for you.
I won't tell you how to manage your affairs, but if your wife used the phrase "creating a hostile atmosphere" unironically as an accusation, then you might have a problem at mill.
An absolutely phenomenal and hilarous episode. He launched so many truth pills at a frantic rate. Thank you Boyce for once again inviting the best guests. 🤗
@@gartgreenside3657 Yikes! Amirite
This is the longest explanation of the beginning of Idiocracy, the true story.
Eh, it's the same Ed Dutton horse and pony show he gives on every livestream. It gets a little repetitive livestreamers asking the same questions on intelligence and IQ again and again and listening to Ed give the same lecture over intelligence and IQ again and again. Just wish these normie TH-camrs like Benjamin had more imagination with their interview Q's. That said, not bad overall.
@@ForeverTemplar
Good comment. But you have to start somewhere (as the host).
But I think your comment highlights why it's important to invite interesting guests back after a while, and do it repeatedly. So you can ask more questions and a get a deeper and more sophisticated conversation.
@@gulanhem9495 It was obvious to Dutton and all of us that Benjamin was in over his head on this interview.
Dutton is great... every episode of his podcast is just him throwing molotov cocktails at all the sacred cows.
None of his arguments make sense if you actually examine them though. We already have the ability to select for traits we want in our children and that's going to naturally lead to a more intelligent population with less disease. And we have AI coming online, and we can EASILY fix these slow moving problems that he's talking about. These arguments made sense to think about 100 years ago, but they're all completely moot today.
@@sketchyemailer101 It's irrelevant whether we have the ability to select for traits we want in our children or not. It's easy to do the math: Low IQ people having many children and starting at a young age. High IQ people having few children and at an older age. Result: Avg. IQ going down quickly. Not only it makes total sense and it is easy to understand but all actual measurements are confirming the decline in IQ in Western countries. You might not be familiar with the literature. It's not a theory, every new measurement has been confirming it for the last few years.
@@sketchyemailer101 He addressed that though... the people who can afford to take advantage of the tech that makes this possible arent having enough kids to compensate for the higher birth rates of lower iq people. They simply dont want kids so it isnt a matter of being able to choose traits.
@@carlotapuig No, we literally have the ability to introduce high IQ traits to populations that don't have any of those traits, genetically we can do that, and we can also do that with with medicine. The problem isn't that we don't have the ability to do stuff, the problem is how powerful all the tech we have is. There's something called a gene drive that could literally force traits to spread in the population. You all are completely off base in your concerns. You have concerns that made sense 100 years ago, not relevant to what's actually going on with science and technology.
Read The Revolutionary Phenotype if you want to know what happens when you start using AI to edit your genes.
I just quit my academic job to become an electrician. Anticipating this collapse I thought it may be much more usefull to know how to produce a little energy than citing plato.
Yep.
Just look out for moisture and lack of insulation 👍
Good choice. You'll be fine.
Welcome to the fray...
However, don't discard entirely your former acuities... we have to be able to look forward to the coming age of the philosopher trades....
@@kellyharbeson18 its actually not about the money. I have a working class background and was the first of my wider family to make it to university. Now i worked 10 years in an office and led a unit. Here is what i have learned: after university i knew a lot of theories and couldnt do anything. The job i did could have been done by everybody. Actually there is no university degree necessary for 70% of all office jobs. They are required because there are just to many of them out there. At least 50% of all office jobs espescially in bigger companies are totally useless bs jobs. And people know it. As a result the only way to justify the above average paycheck is a moral superiority complex against workers and such people. Hence the success of wokeness. But I felt a deep emptiness by this situation. I couldnt devalue my background any longer. Finally i came to the conclussion that the average office guy wount make it to pension age withou usefull skills. In the end its accountents and back officers who will find themselves replaced by digitization. And under current conditions i truely do believe that we are facing some sort of colapse.
That may very well be. But please don't forget Plato.
What an absolute torrent of mind-blowing information Dr. Dutton unleashed in this. This was amazing. Thank you for another great interview, Mr. Boyce
leftism:
Otherwise known as “progressivism” and even more inaccurately as “liberalism”, leftism is a term originating from the French Revolution of 1789, in reference to the political faction that opposed the French (so-called) king. However, the term is currently used in common discourse to describe those criminals who actively support (or at least tacitly condone) a host of OBJECTIVELY-WICKED ideologies and practices that contravene dharma, such as non-monarchical governances and corrupt economic systems (particularly socialism, communism, fascism, and liberal democracies), egalitarianism, feminism, perverse sexuality (especially homosexuality, bestiality, and transvestism), multiculturalism, and the illegitimate abortion of innocent, defenceless, unborn children. Cf. “dharma”.
In the past decade or two (of this treatise being composed), the mass media, especially the motion picture industry and television production companies, has been aggressively promoting all the above CRIMINAL ideologies and practices, helping to expedite the destruction of human society. Recently, large corporations have jumped on the leftist bandwagon (so to speak), in order to profit.
As explicated in Chapter 11 of this “A Final Instruction Sheet for Humanity”, the state of being of any particular human (or any other animal, for that matter) is due entirely to his or her genetic sequencing and his or her conditioning. Therefore, the explosion of the leftist/liberal mentality in recent decades, particularly in Western countries, has been caused by poor breeding strategies overtaking the more conservative tradition of mate-selection of previous centuries (and indeed, millennia). In other words, due to the fact that criminal behaviour (especially the deviant sexual acts mentioned above) has become increasingly more tolerated, condoned, and even GLORIFIED in most countries, there has been a proliferation of corrupt genetic codes within the wider human population.
According to genealogists, for (almost) the entire history of humanity, most women have successfully reproduced, whilst a far far smaller percentage of males have bequeathed their genetic sequence to proceeding generations. Due to the gradual phasing-out of polygamous marriages in even the most conservative societies, as well as the eradication of poverty in most every country, more and more men (as well as women) have been producing offspring. Thus, the human genome has rapidly become adulterated by inferior genetic material (that is, DNA from truly pathetic, uxorious beta-males, bisexuals, and even homosexual couples who engage surrogate mothers or sperm donors in order to conceive children - something of a rare occurrence in previous centuries/millennia).
For centuries, breeders of elite animals such as horses, cattle, and dogs, have known that selecting the finest examples of a breed of animal will result in offspring with desirable characteristics. For example, present day thoroughbred horses boast a pedigree of the best-available horses from the seventeenth century. Such breeders are willing to pay enormous sums of money merely to hire the fastest stallions on earth in order for them to mate with their mares. In the case of we humans, women have traditionally chosen the most competent and masculine men with whom to bear children, and in general, have totally eschewed those males who displayed effeminate traits, and who showed themselves incapable of properly supporting a nuclear family. Unfortunately, due to rapid moral decay over the past few decades, Western women have become extremely sexually promiscuous, resulting in a multiplication of unwanted progeny (and, of course, an escalation of abortions). Boys born to single mothers often lack proper male roles models and invariably become feminized, unable (and often unwilling) to continue a strong lineage of progenitors. The solution to this problem is simply to ensure that society adheres to the principles of DHARMA (see the Glossary definition of that term, as well as Chapter 12).
Unsurprisingly, the majority of leftists find it difficult to accept the fact that their criminal mentality is largely inherited (and of course, they are unwilling to acknowledge the blatantly-obvious fact that their ideologies and practices are intrinsically sinful, wicked, evil and immoral in the first place!). It seems the consensus amongst leftist “intellectuals” is that every human mental trait is due entirely to one’s environmental conditioning and social milieu, rather than as a consequence of BOTH one’s genetic sequence and one’s life-long conditioning - a fundamentally-flawed assertion that cannot be scientifically supported. I would not be surprised if the typical leftist would believe that, if the parents of the twentieth century communist tyrant, Joseph Stalin, and the parents of the Divine Incarnation, Lord Jesus Christ, had somehow crossed the time barrier, and exchanged their baby boys shortly after their birth, that Stalin would have grown to become a Prophet for God, whilst Christ would have become a murderous, left-wing dictator!
This term was very reluctantly used in the chapter on feminism. I say “reluctantly” because it is unlikely that the term will perdure for many decades longer. This is simple deductive logic, since, as clearly demonstrated in certain chapters in “F.I.S.H”, human civilization cannot survive with such leftist practices and ideologies in place. If you happen to be reading this Holy Scripture a century or more after its conception, you will probably be residing in a nation (as opposed to a country) ruled by a monarch, following the implosion of post-modern, decadent societies. So, either the term “leftism” will eventually become redundant and obsolete, or else, human civilization will devolve into a decadent, diseased state of existence similar to that of the prehistoric era, when the peoples of the world resided in caves or shacks, subsisting on whatever food can be sourced from the surrounding bushland. I trust that you who are reading these wise words will endeavour to influence your social circles to adhere to right-leaning ideologies and practices, such as (above all) monarchical governance, an entirely free-market economy, sexual purity, veganism, and all other virtuous principles.
Fear not, for God is with you!
P.S. As a general rule, it seems (at least anecdotally) that the farther left-leaning is a person, the more physically (and of course, psychologically) UGLY is that person. Unfortunately, that does not seem to prevent leftists from propagating their mutant genes.🤡
N.B. In order to clarify the notion of inheritability, it is not being claimed that an adharmic (far-left) couple will INVARIABLY produce leftist children, but that it is more PROBABLE that they will do so, considering their genetic sequence and the environmental conditioning they are bound to impart to their children, just as two parents with a certain physiological disorder are more likely to generate offspring with that specific disease. In this regards, it is recommended to study introductory texts on epigenetics. 🧬
In my particular case, I was raised by a staunch communist, and so was indoctrinated to believe that communism was the best course of action for a just society. Indeed, as a teenager, I even volunteered in the election campaign of a socialist politician, who eventually became the Premiere of the state of Western Australia. However, after studying dharma, I came to learn that I was misled by my father in this regards, and that the only system of governance that is dharmic (legitimate) is a divinely-sanctioned monarchy.
I started laughing when Benjamin introduced the idea of having a 'calmversation' with Ed Dutton.
More coffee PLEASE !!
Very funny and so true🤪🤣
Amazing, never expected this crossover at all. Respect to Boyce.
The Overton window is shifting.
I liked watching Boyce open his eyes wide to try and disassociate himself whenever Dr. Dutton said something that could be canceled.
I need to clip these
@@personinternet5326 That would be hilarious! 😶😬😯🤔🤐🤫🥸
Respected British anthropology professor, Dr. Edward Dutton, has demonstrated that “LEFTISM” is due to genetic mutations caused by poor breeding strategies.
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To put it simply, in recent decades, those persons who exhibit leftist traits such as egalitarianism, feminism, gynocentrism, socialism, multiculturalism, transvestism, homosexuality, perverse morality, and laziness, have been reproducing at rates far exceeding the previous norm, leading to an explosion of insane, narcissistic SOCIOPATHS in (mostly) Western societies.
I noticed that too. It was painfully obvious.
Yes! Glad to see the Jolly Heretic getting on a bigger platform.
Did you see him n Sam Vaknin a few months back?
@@roryteal5940 no, but I will now. Thanks!
Just look how often philanthropists and governments spend millions and billions trying to get the academically inept "caught up." We're so obsessed with not leaving anyone behind we've lost sight of facilitating the development of those we will need to lead us.
The bit about ancient Greece and Rome collapsing because of wealth induced "liberalism" and therefore the elites not having children anymore, so next step the dumb take over, was very interesting and sounded solid, because we can see it happening right now again. He had a lot of those bold bits, quite the interesting mad professor type of guy. Love this episode!
I was fascinated by this theory when I heard of it some years ago and I have now since found that this is a pattern that repeats throughout history.
Nature parameterizes man and growing distant from it erodes his form and functionality. We're held together and exist through the limitations placed upon us and as we head toward a more technophilic system, which we come to depend on through being incapacitated to exist in nature, the more 'debt' (spiritual or whatever word you'd like to use) we incur until we live loftily in a structure of our own creation and forget the Truth till it comes to harvest the debt found in the gap between immutable reality and social/technological construction.
This _is_ what is described as 'The Beast System'. A system that becomes nigh inescapable. Group virtue-behavior wielding modern technology. Insidious and encompassing. A lullaby of supposed good intentions paving the way to a whimpering Hell.
@@soulfuzz368 Yeah, 30 years ago i never would've thought to witness another fall of rome in my lifetime. They already had sewage, ice-cream and advanced debate culture, christianity however then brought 800 years of mind-numbing simplicity (scholastics). Woke has all the ingredients to become another one of those 800 years of idiocy :(
But we didn't run out of people we stopped defending our borders. If we had twice as many of us we would still be less than 20% of the globe. This is just more liberal poison that people think the only way to stop immigration is to have more kids.
If you had more kids that would just create more wealth and more people would come to take advantage of it.
What you are looking for is collectivism or individualism. Those are the reasons we don't defend our society or care about it's future.
@@HatefulPerfection your first sentence is like minimalist poetry... beautifully written
This Edward guy is one of the most based people I have ever heard 😂
Fucking mutants took over due explained with game theory, this fucker is describing Aym Rand's fear lol
This Edward guy understands Human Instrumentality
Indeed.
ps. I can't imagine he survive in the party more than 10mins 😂
Science did that 😂
This lecture was like Dutton's whole channel in 70 minutes haha.
My family tells me, repeatedly, that I'm the most intelligent person they know. It's just that I'm too stupid to do anything with it. They're not wrong. A series of unfortunate decisions wrecked 20 years of my life. Good times.
You have a role to play here in #clownworld, that is without a doubt. Maybe going " monkmode" for a few weeks or months might reveal what all of the supposed " unfortunate decisions" have miraculously crafted you to BE. in the current year ;) Much love
But on the bright side, Emily is a great name!!
Yeah I’m in a similar boat. Remember: often quite smart people have low conscientiousness. Organise your life so you can work smarted not harder. Smart people hate working hard.
Same
Same thing here
Benjamin's expressions throughout this episode are absolutely precious!
This has got to be the most concise, yet expansive and seminal critical review of the movie "Idiocracy" I have ever seen on youtube. Mauler needs to take notes from this guy.
Ive loved Ed for years. Brilliant guy. Im glad Benny had him on. Im wholly black-pilled but have to be white-pilled for my children who are the only thing Im willing to fight for.
I never expected to see this crossover. Ed is hilarious! 😂
It would be so great if he was the guest speaker at some hardcore liberal university's sociology class. And he starts saying the things he says here. Seriously, someone has to set this up and have hidden cameras trained on everyone faces. He starts off mild. Then gradually goes full rightwing reality.
Can confirm; both of my parents had issues with impulsivity & a propensity for being “dissociative”
I can tell I’m seriously living on the hood graces of more accomplished people around me.
Living on 'hood graces'? Is that like 'good graces' from yo' homies? ;)
@@goldeneddie Precisely. For example, pouring out a bit of one's malt-liquor beverage onto the pavement in observance of one's fallen comrades.
@@Jianju69 leaving a blunt (half smoked, of course. They ain't sto opid)
@@willbass2869 I would step in and smoke the rest of it, in effect living on your hood graces.
@@willbass2869I would top load it 😂 Actually, can Americans even do that? Maybe not, a blunts a bit different.
Here is the Heretic's voice
Ed talks with Benjamin Boyce
We hear a review
Of declining IQ
A chat that's a quality choice
To see me read lines such as these
You can with the greatest of ease
My channel peruse
You've nothing to lose
In this way, I do aim to please
Gimme gimme chicken tendies, be they crispy or from Wendy's. Spend my hard earned good boy points, on tasty ball pit burger joints...
A quality choice, indeed, sir! And a most quality piece of verse from your good self, if one may say so.
Respected British anthropology professor, Dr. Edward Dutton, has demonstrated that “LEFTISM” is due to genetic mutations caused by poor breeding strategies.
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To put it simply, in recent decades, those persons who exhibit leftist traits such as egalitarianism, feminism, gynocentrism, socialism, multiculturalism, transvestism, homosexuality, perverse morality, and laziness, have been reproducing at rates far exceeding the previous norm, leading to an explosion of insane, narcissistic SOCIOPATHS in (mostly) Western societies.
One of the wiser ideas I've had is that when most of human industry is geared towards making our lives easier, we will quickly ease ourselves right out of existence, because of another wise idea I had in my 20s, that hard competition (basically just fighting) between species AND both between & within human societies keeps our species viable. That no politician on earth seems to have realized this is one of the bigger problems keeping us on this path to self-destruction.
I can't help be think of the Club of Rome (which somewhat morphed into the WEF) saying in the 70's that a population timebomb was ticking. Now we appear to have a rampant liberal ideology the if Dutton is correct subconsciously discourages having children.
Well the fact that the western forces have used the middle east and now Ukraine to test out their weapons over the last thirty years suggest that this is a consideration (if only a geo-political one)
perhaps if we live in a world which organizes itself in such a way, where zero sum domination/submission games are unavoidable, self destruction may be in itself a noble goal
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Benjamin i would never have thought you ended up speaking with his Majesty prof Dutton. The Universe clearly wants intelligent people to pull together❤
I recommended talking to Dutton during a livestream like 2-3 weeks ago, incredible coincidence?
@Heather Van Buskirk ... Seems it is not only The Kitty who has the POWA here 🦾🐱🤳
I'll be honest with you, I'm surprised. I never expected to see this combination.
Why not? Benjamin is open to ideas.
I really needed to hear this. I have been drowning in pessimism. There is so much craziness being voiced. When people more intelligent than me speak truth it is refreshing. I am so weary from the nonsense coming out of universities. Before censorship reduces voices to only the woke I must fill my mind with good information.
I've been saying "we live in the stupidest timeline." I hate being right all the time.
Subscribed to Edward Dutton. Cheers from NZ.
Oh I like it already. He’s going to California to document the decline in intelligence. Priceless.
Yes, hilarious.
After seeing what happened to the CashApp guy I'm lowkey worried for Prof. Dutton's safety
@@_BirdOfGoodOmen Seems to me those are two completely unrelated events... one was simple criminality the other would ideologically driven.
I came to the USA from a communist country. I am from a family of high IQ (at the right end of the bell curve around high150s). I noticed that American lefties, church people, illegals, and blacks are most likely also low IQ people, because otherwise they would have reasoned what they do make little sense.
Good place to go to study it. Good as any.
I can literally observe myself becoming dumber the more reels/shorts I watch. And when I muster the willpower to stop for a sustained time, I can literally observe myself becoming normal again, but it takes a while.
I try to avoid shorts for exactly that reason.
Try to go out more. Take a walk in the park. Go to socialize with people at cafe or something.
I recommend subscribring to
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Yes I can relate. It’s like my ego is like “bored now. Next!!! Next. Next!!!” Next thing I know 40 minutes have evaporated.
Good advice - i just try and tell myself "think fewer thoughts, and think them more deeply"
According to Kingsley Amis’ “Memoirs”, Anthony Burgess when visiting London (Burgess lived variously in Italy and France) carried a sword stick. He said that when menaced by yobs, he intended to wave the sword about and shout, “Fuck off! I’ve got cancer!”
I'm going to try that at my local choir (public group)r. A subchoir (private group) of the choir (doctor lead) booted me out 10 years ago despite my colon cancer dx (2005 - they knew!!). They socially isolated me so I left the main choir as well. I became a grey nomad, until covid drove me back home. I'm going to play the trump card - breast cancer dx 2018 if they try and boot me out agin. Cancer double down, I reckon, it's time, lol.
Thank you so much for posting an intelligent conversation. I especially appreciate the breakdown of what elements make up an IQ assessment. The easiest litmus test I know to figure out if you're being to the truth is whether or not it fits the official narrative. If the powers that be are spreading, "IQ doesn't matter" after 50 unsuccessful years of trying to equalize it, you can bet your bottom dollar it matters.
Incompetence is exacerbated by unwarranted confidence.
Ben just grimacing for minutes on end. I'm 24 minutes in. Fascinating video. I've been very dismissive of eugenics, "Neo-Malthusian" concepts etc. for quite some time, but Mr. Dutton's discussion here is forcing me to rethink many things.
I’m cringing at the censors reviewing this one 😬 I already got one strike 😔
@Rachel Forshee he doesn't mean or even say "EXCLUSIVELY". these are about correlations and averages
@Rachel Forshee Not exclusively. Extreme conservatism could reflect high mutational load as well, Qanon types etc.
I love Dutton’s Jolly Heretic TH-cam channel. Years ago when first listening to Ed, I forced myself to listen to him over and over and research his comments to attempt to better understand what he was blurting out like a lighthouse spinning so fast that it was causing me photophobia. Even bought the out of print book “Ethnic Conflicts - Their Biological Roots In Ethnic Nepotism” by Tatu Vanhanen all because the good doctor mentioned it in passing. I realized what initially sounded like preposterous talk of Darwinian devolution by DNA was in fact happening and this man, Professor Edward Dutton was not only on to something but brilliantly had targeted the number one cause or source of humanity’s current woke liberal demise.
When children since 1900’s stopped dying by 50% prior to the age of 10 due to advancements in science and 99 out of 100 children survive today to breed, natural selection ended. Natural selection selecting out the weak minded, leaving the least fit less intelligent people to propagate in larger numbers and the more intelligent to wait till their 30’s to have children and usually one or two max certainly will not end well.
My gut tells me it’s worse than what the good doctor envisions for Western society. I believe the fewer and fewer intellectuals who are self centered and power hungry are also mostly mutants, kinda like Nero of Rome types. So society is dumbing down and down but those at the top are becoming more maladaptive spiteful intellectuals. Not a great combo for the West.
Same here! I can’t remember his exact words, but I’m pretty sure he has discussed the point that you mentioned towards the end about how politicians, philanthropists, leaders, etc are becoming increasingly maladaptive and individualistic. I’ll have to see if I can find it.
Many intelligent and creative people are not in positions of leadership though.
Those in government etc who have gained some extreme power through politics are more ruthless and sociapathic, rather than having intelligence or talent. Generally they are educated at expensive public schools and make influential connections, again a factor in their political career rather than actual talent!
As our present government along with other's grow even more tyrannical and corrupt, I have often wondered how some people do not even notice this!
The dumbing down of western society has been a factor in the apathy!
As I said though, thankfully we have many intelligent, creative and talented people who do have morals.
I do believe in the next few years we will develop parallel societies, in order for people who hold same values and traditions to work alongside each other. We would have medics, scientists, farmers etc in order to flourish, away from government overreach.
Our democracy and values are been destroyed by these psychopathic leaders, and the endless taxation of everything never ends. The taxation of our freedoms currently, and we did not appoint the WHO to dictate over us, yet they seem to think they wield all power!
Most of these psychopaths in these positions are self elected, not chosen by us, and certainly beyond useless, but the narcissim is unbelievable!
The swamp needs well and truly draining.
And the schools are self destructing because they pretend to not be aware of the implications of IQ testing. In other words, they will not tailor curriculum to the intelligence quotient of the individual student, increasing manual arts programs for those with low IQs but rather persisting in forcing them to fail at academic programs which are clearly unsuited to those with especially low intelligence, but to a great extent also inappropriate for those with even average intelligence. Yet if one enlists in the navy the first thing they do is measure recruit’s IQs then assign them to “A” schools which have explicit IQ requirements.
I joke that I will bring back Darwinian selection. When some fool says "Hold my beer and watch this" I will hold the beer and watch.
Excellent episode. He expressed what we are all thinking very well.
That was absolutely amazing, and quite illuminating. This is a topic that has been fermenting in my mind for a while, and I appreciate the history, sociology, and genetics. Eugenics is so urgently relevant right now, and I have heard too many defenses of it lately. This was refreshing. Thank you, both!
OMG, this episode is epic on so many levels 😀
Love Dutton !!❤
To be fair to Nero’s “wife”, Nero had destroyed him as a boy, he was castrated and mutilated and abused by one of the worst emperors of Rome for being unfortunate enough to vaguely resemble Nero’s mother. I’d argue he was in more of a battered wife syndrome than “oh yeah he was into that” I think it’s more that he feared there was no life left for him outside of those chains that he knew.
@Bernards Yes. About ancient Rome? Yes. Tons of info. Not much room for doubt about something like this. This person was horribly abused and mutilated from the time he was an infant and tormented all of his miserable life at the hands of a brutal tyrant, and now thousands of years later, you want to deny his pain?
Great show, Benjamin.
Love professor Dutton !
I've been a fan of his for a couple years now (along with you, J. Lindsay - my faves).
his metaphor with India is so damn perfect ... I love watching walkabout vlogs of India cities and you can instantly visually see what he was describing as the reasons
Benjamin, you should really read Paul Kingsnorth's book Alexandria. He describes what that post collapse society would look like and has been very prescient with his predictions so far. I absolutely loved it, that and Beast. You should read both.
Thanks Benjamin. So good to see my favourite Ed on your show. Excellent conversation.
Most interesting conversation. Mary Harrington (Feminism Against Progress) in some ways provides a counterweight to some of Ed Dutton's arguments but chimes with others. Look forward to your conversation with her.
Humble suggestion for future calmversation: Paul Kingsnorth (The Abbey of Misrule on Substack). Cheers Benjamin.
34:55 Benjamin enters the conversation and shows why he is such a great host, casually shows a differentiated view of Machiavellinism
This was fantastic! Dr. Dutton is the best! The comments are hysterical. Way to go Benjamin Boyce!
I've been looking for optimal regions for creativity for a decade, but I haven't found them. My vision is to create micro communities of common interest in rural areas, where there is enough geographic isolation so that people could know each other again, and so that these communities can create a culture distinct from the macro culture, much like new species emerged on the gallpagos islands. And eventually the best ones will attract more people and grow into something bigger.
Utopia, how sweet you are 🙏❤️
Mars.....just ask Elon. Those rocket launches of his ain't just for gps satellites
@@willbass2869 Awful, only a fool would think Mars is a desirable location 😆
Good luck with the county building department wherever you buy your land. The first thing you’ll run into is requirements to install expensive septic systems which only the local contractors are allowed to install, and whose components must be commercially manufactured. Then also you will be required to electrify, even though old order Amish are exempt from such requirements.
So somewhat like the Amsih.
Equally fascinating yet disturbing conversation!
Texas does have a problem with Californian refugees moving here and voting for the same policies. The bright side is that they all move to Austin, which is already lost.
There’s a Norwegian study that shows that IQ is declining within families (wealthy families too). So I’d argue that rich people breeding more isn’t going to do much. I think (my opinion, I haven’t read any studies on this topic) that IQ and other types of intelligence in general are greatly affected by the environment. So naturally, if you always have access to fast answers and resources that work fast (I mean: google, video games, tiktok etc), your attention span decreases which makes you more susceptible to manipulation and less prone to critical thinking, you’re not able to develop skills needed for complex problem solving, therefore your IQ is going to be lower.
Not quite, from my understanding of the studies IQ is largely genetic, 0.7 inheritable, with a significant but not huge environmental factor.
Think of it as your genes give you a range of what your IQ could be, 100 - 115 (for example) your environment then determines where you end up on that spectrum. If you stimulate your brain with books, test questions, difficult lessons ect, you reach your 'phenotypic maximum' (the highest IQ you can get) or if you don't study/deprived of an education ect, you end up at the bottom end of your potential spectrum.
Important to note that video games, educational TH-cam video's, even TV counts as stimulation, its just not as good as books ect.
Furthermore research shows generally mid-wits (people with IQ of 115-125~) are the easiest to indoctrinate because since they are smart they can convince themselves of the ideology/narrative that's put in front of them if it's in their best interest socially, this is why you see Liberal echo Chambers in elite uni's.
@@-tom-8720 thanks for explaining!!
@@-tom-8720 Generally people who are easily indoctrinated are not very smart, as they lack critical thought and the ability to adapt.
These ideologies are often regressive if not quite infantile in beliefs. That in itself shows a rather basic intelligence and definately a lack of investigative and critical thought!
Just to add, simply studying academically or theoretically is not likely to develop maximum intelligence. Some would like you to belive in that delusion, in order to somehow feel superior, lol.
Learning to master crafts such as joinery, sculpture, engineering, learning a musical instrument and even building a house from scratch etc etc, are all skills which involve our intelligence, as well as physical abilities!
Those skills and abilities which are also of greater value to society 😉😊
My IQ test is two fold: do you believe in flying saucers yes or no/ do you believe that Jesus Christ actually existed as a historical figure yes or no. I find that the stupid people tend to believe in Jesus rather than flying saucers. In fact the stupid people laugh at those who suspect that flying saucers are real but insist on pointing out that Christianity is exactly like pagan mythology.
One of your best, Boyce. Please have him back and continue this discussion about IQ as it relates to conservatism and liberalism (particularly the fall of the liberals, I liked hearing that).
Mad Max world to come... can't wait. Great interview and enjoyable guest. Love it when the interviewer allows the guest to talk and complete a thought.
1:02:30 it was pleasing to hear someone else express this view, I don't feel so alone now. For about a decade (or more even) I've been trying to tell my friends that the future I see us barrelling into is not 1984 or Brave New World or any of these highbrow dystopias but simply Mad Max. Now I get to share this video with them and point them to the time stamp while I put my best "I told you so" leather, chains and spikes outfit.
But to brag about it would require it to have already happened or at least begin to happen. I doubt two dudes expressing views is an "I told ya so" moment?
Or perhaps a mixture of Mad Max and Idiocracy...!
@@goldeneddie To begin with perhaps, but to be brutal I don't see the idiots lasting very long against murderous psychos in bondage gear.
@@aaronmcdonaldful 😂😂😂😂
More like Idiocracy but yeah.
The capacity for genuine empathy and sympathy is perhaps the highest form of intelligence. Because it comes from a knowledge, a deep understanding of why someone is the way he/she is. In other words, its a form of selflessness. In other words, you need to get outside of yourself and walk a mile in someone elses shoes in order to understand them. I think that seemingly highly intelligent people, who would score high on a Mensa test yet suffer emotionally or have nasty personalities and so forth, its all quite literally not being able to get over one self, to let go of one self so one can see the bigger picture. And thats whats holding people back in life. Its just bundled up knotted energy going in circles. For lack of better words.
Great interview and he kind of confirmed much of what I was thinking. Thanks BB.
Man that was fun. Great show.
Highly entertaining. It would be mindblown to have Ed Dutton and Helmuth Nyborg on the stream at the same time and compare notes.
If IQ is falling, the idea that AI will save us is rather silly. The infrastructure that is required to run AI would quickly fall into disrepair. Who is going to maintain the power grid that the AI needs?
I learned a new word this week, prominent in African politics and strikes: load shedding.
@Divergent_Integral Never going to happen. It's this kind of thinking that's dooming us. If you've not yet noticed that everything is turning to crap you're not paying attention. When was the last time you engaged with any service provider? How was your experience?
He’s saying what.I’ve been thinking for many many years now. Good to hear it out loud.
I believe I just listened to a dissertation on Mike Judge’s “Idiocracy”.
He reviewed Idiocracy after all these comments. He then concluded that Mike Judge got it wrong, Idiocracy is happening far faster and will be far worse than the movie.
I have never heard of Edward Dutton before this interview. Thank you Ben.
Edward strongly reminds me of the character 'Lord John Marbury' (played by Roger Rees) in Series 2 of 'The West Wing'. 🤣 - On a serious note: many of the concepts and processes he discusses are 'Kryptonite' for the Woke idealogues who now run our universities.
The idea of compassion as a show of "runaway individualism" is a beautifully precise illustration of left-brained psychopathic terminology, worthy of A Brave New World or 1984. Remember the medieval legend of Parzifal, in which the hero finally accesses the Holy Grail only after an exhibit of compassion. Also, the jungian term for enlightenment is "individuation."
This was a surprise but a good one at that. Get Mary Harrington back on about her transhumanism book as well - that's been an interesting topic and has some convergence in terms of humanity potentially letting technological attractors mangle it's future.
Two weeks
Another problem in our society is that the rich can have kids because they can afford it, and the poor often live off of the payments that their kids bring in from the government. The middle class, however, are having few kids because it is simply too expensive and for so many men having a family is simply not worth the risk in this day and age where women have all the advantages, especially in divorce and alimony. So, both the rich and poor grow while the middle class gets hollowed out.
Nobody in their right mind would want to be middle class. Although well educated I prefer working class jobs like seafaring and barbering. Middle class existence is unbearably dull and colorless compared to the freewheeling existence of the upper and lower orders. After all, most of the churchgoing population is middle class. Joining a church is like volunteering to get treated like a peasant.
"however, are having few kids because it is simply too expensive and for so many men having a family is simply not worth the risk in this day and age where women have all the advantages, especially in divorce and alimony"
This is just pure fucking cope, it doesnt matter how much money u have if idiots can have kids while living a jungle or a trailer park.
as a middle class person there is nothing stopping you from having kids other then your own sense of comfort, and in taht case rich people really dont have kids either.
@@C3l3bi1 Excellent points. I always go back to my teenage years at the Canadian canoe tripping camp spending two months traveling by canoe, sleeping on the ground, and visiting all these marginal little towns in north Ontario where people were living in tiny cottages and seemed perfectly content. The fact is people are spoiled and lazy. Also people don’t trust each other enough to form viable partnerships. And kids aren’t as expensive as middle class people imagine considering how they can be accommodated to hand me downs and so forth. Then also nowadays people are so lazy they don’t even cook anymore and spend hundreds upon hundreds of dollars each month on take out food. But I don’t have any kids either. I’m not very good at putting up with womens’ nonsense.
Sure, the village bicycle can queef out a bunch of fatherless brats. However, raising decent human beings is not always possible.
Wonderful episode, I was squinting as hard as Benjamin trying to take it all in.
Given climate change, resource depletion, fishery collapse, soil degradation, ecosystem collapses, 6th Mass Extinction, increasing drought and heat waves, sea level rise, increasing global conflicts, and now this IQ degradation! How can anyone have a shred of hope regarding our continued existence in 50-60 yrs. I'm afraid the WASTELAND is unavoidable.
Love Dutton! Never a dull moment.
'The less intelligent woman drops out of school at 16.' I dropped out of school at 15, went to work in London and, after raising a family, returned to education, university level, in my 50s. So many generalisations in this video.
But generalisations are, by definition, not necessarily true of every member of the category in question. But they are still either true or untrue. I suggest you are an exception that proves the rule.
@@TheJollyHeretic fair point.
Personal anecdotes are not blanket evidence of anything.
Everything is on a bell curve. There are always outliers.
Intelligence doesn't always equal wisdom but wisdom always equals intelligence. I'm seeing a unique change here in the states. People who have very high intelligence are opting for a simpler life. Not so much going to universities anymore. Many are choosing trade schools and apprenticeships or forgoing any sort of organized higher learning and educating themselves through living. I have lived many places but were I live now is very rural. People here seem to have quite high intelligence coupled with wisdom. Status is not a reason for respect around here and it certainly doesn't mean higher IQ. I am see people who could have had all the degrees of any highly educated person but raising highly intelligent children and devoting themselves to a holsom down to earth life is what they have chosen.
Where is this magical place that is rural with smart people? I loved the smart friends I had in the city but preferred the rural life.
@@lovetolearn881 Try Maine, the people are wiser than the trendy, "educated" Bostonians. It's rural but civilized. Kinda cold in Spring though.
@@lovetolearn881 Western, NC west of Ashville. Specifically Murphy.
no, ;ow intel people can also be wise just from accumulation of experiences.
Crap. I spent 6 months reading The Decline of the West when I could've just watched this.
The fact that you took 6months to complete the book is that west is already there.
I guess I am part of the decline, I couldn't tolerate the full book. I just listened to the audiobook, and only certain points stuck.
Once children are a matter of pro and con, it's over. Nature knows nothing about pro and con.
That is all I remembers, but perhaps it is because I have been fascinated by birth rates since 2006? I never wanted any children, why should I spend perfectly good money to change diapers?
“What do you do for fun outside of this Intelligence stuff?”
Benjamin out here representing us normies 😂
University should hire you to teach shitposting. Seems like college students need to be taught how to have fun.
.... fun?
@Poofy ... Alright... who left the door open and let the troll in? ❤
Drinking of course. Raise a glass.
“Severe” refreshment
oh this should be great
The problem with AI is whenever they truly let it think for itself it seems to conclude there are too many people. Be cautious with the belief you can control a greater intelligence for long.
AI hardly has anything to do with intelligence. Just like a calculator hardly counts as a mathematician.
@@BlacksmithTWD There used to say back in the day that computers would never be able to play chess. Time will tell.
@@tvbopc5416 "There" is this one of those new silly pronouns or is it simply a typo and you meant "they" instead?
@@BlacksmithTWD typo
1:03:04 The look on Dutton's face is the one that I always make when anyone brings up Jordan Peterson. It feels good to know that I am not alone.
Dr Dutton!? Mr Boyce is getting spicy
I am really glad that TH-cam has a setting feature that allows you to slow down playback speed. This not only allows me to follow mr. Dutton’s argument but also makes him sound a little drunk which makes it more funny and less depressing
Well done sirs! 👍 👍
I grew up in a rural area and was a fun loving party girl weirdo downright hillybilly science nerd 😂. I moved to the city for grad school. After a decade I left. I just could never get used to the lack of community, although the people at my job were fantastic and made their own little community. Outside of that group, the world seemed sterile. A decade there and I moved back to my small town. I became quite conservative and am active in church. Now this area is also becoming liberal and loosing the sense of community. Outside of family, church feels like the only community oriented place.
When he's talking about intelligence and bees - two book recommendations: The Mind of a Bee by Lars Chittka, and Are We Smart Enough to Know How Smart Animals Are? by Frans de Waal.
Thanks
He’s voicing many things that we instinctively understand to be true, but are taught are “bad” thoughts so we squash them.
BEST… cold open… EVER
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He's not ¡just British, he talks all posh-way, as they say yonder (nowhere)!
Im a part time Dutton subscriber. I usually stop listening because he’s not quite skeptical enough for me. I’ll give this one a go though.
“Severely refreshed” is apparently the highly intelligent way to say “effing plastered”. I like it
Not sure you two clicked, but loved the interview. I wish Dutton would take a breath once in a while.
I am doing my part to improve the average. 😉
Enjoying Dutton? He’s written a few books. I’m reading his BREEDING THE HUMAN HERD.
Dutton was in top form here. More Dutton-like than usual.
Excellent. A friend and I were just discussing the Great Idiocracization at work a day before this released.
Idiocracy is my favorite movie. If you haven't seen it, please do. It's a parody of the dumbing down of society. It's more relevant now than when it was released.
@@AshleyWilliams-xq7lj I have seen it. Didn't expect it to turn out to be a documentary, but now I'm scared it might be.
Ed is the best thing on youtube...
Just to add a broader view -
American developmental psychologist & senior director of Harvard's "Project Zero"
Howard Gardner has a Theory of Multiple Intelligences:
-Logical-Mathematical Intelligence
-Visual-Spatial Intelligence
-Linguistic-Verbal Intelligence
-Bodily-Kinesthetic Intelligence
-Musical Intelligence
-Interpersonal Intelligence
-Intrapersonal Intelligence
-Naturalistic Intelligence
-Spiritual Intelligence
Narcissism! Yes, I’ve noticed that characteristic of these social advocates.
I witnessed that happening in Glasgow;s southside the gentry intelligentsia moved in as activists with autonomous space spray paint and pay what you can cafes then rounded up the sheeple. Best interview to date. Food for thought and my brain is reaching obesity keep up the good work Boycey.
We really shouldn't call leftists liberals.
Exactly what I was thinking. These are different things
@@scattered-idea it's almost as wrong as when these useful idiots call conservatives and libertarians "fascist".
Indeed, I often joke about classical liberalism vs the wokerati.
Thank you. They are ideologically opposed.
Did not have this combo on my bingo card. Came out better than expected.
Dutton makes a lot of wild extrapolations. However I think his main thesis is correct.
Woah!! Spicy! 😬😬😬
Looking forward to this! 😎😁👍🏻
Aristotle and F Scot Fitzgerald had the notion that Intelligence is the ability to hold 2 opposing or competing views in one's head at the same time / If this definition is accurate then we are most definitely in decline in the last 20 years (as Haidt's work on the polarization of people's political views confirms)... The black/white dichotomous thinking (also mirrored by computers binary operations) is low level thinking.. So we can conclude that undifferentiated or over stimulated affective side of humans blocks are ability for higher level thinking
Good point.
_"...mirrored by computers binary operations..."_ Now _that's_ an interesting observation. I'll add that the social media 'like/dislike' feature has likely heavily contributed to the dichotomous thinking you describe. No need to sit back, reflect, and possibly contribute a developed and nuanced thought. Just decide yay or nay and move onto the next thing.
@@MrSmith-ve6yo hey great comments building on original idea thx! Also I like to say only two options for thinking “As if those are the ONLY possibilities “ LOL anyone with any evolved creativity knows there is a wide range of possibilities on the scale😀
@@MrSmith-ve6yo A good point regarding a good point! I have no doubt that there is a part this plays.
The political environment is also becoming more aggressive and confrontational, which may explain the polarisation as a reaction.
And always remember friends, Idiocracy is a documentary, not a comedy