Love you Conan! Your humility is rarely equally returned as it was from Kumail. So glad to know that it is possible for people to stay down to earth even whilst being so blessed. 😊
@@zosorover828 Lol. I gave up on it a while ago, don't think a name has much to do with it either way. My cute-era is long gone, even if I changed my name to Zosorover69247.
This is so true. Getting into weight lifting changes so much more than just how your body looks. You realize food is fuel and you gain an appreciation for the subtle flavors of fresh healthy food. And for someone with anxiety, the gym literally becomes your favorite place in the world because it's the only place you can focus 100% of your attention on what you're doing in the moment.
I have a sincere question, and I'm prepared for you to not answer or to dislike the question or whatever you're going to do. Are you not in the moment when you, um, autoerotically service yourself?
@@anitaspencer7526 Nope, not even then, tbh. As someone with anxiety, my mind can wander even when I am "autoerotically servicing myself". But gym hits different, as we progressively overload, if I am not in the moment, it really shows. Weight lifting is just one of the things that can take ur full focus, but its one of the most available, documented and healthy things to do.
@@eshwarprasad9218 Interesting, I see. Makes sense what with the mental discipline aspect and the immediacy of the proactivity requirement. Good holidays to you, Eshwar.
@@anitaspencer7526”autoerotically service yourself” sounds so odd. Like you’re talking about Transformers and machines lol. All you had to say was “pleasure yourself.”
@Anita Spencer I never saw this question. TH-cam never sends notifications for some reason. To answer your question, yes that activity does put you in the current moment, but only briefly, and not in a way that produces any lasting positive effects. It's more like the way a drug will allow you to forget your troubles and anxiety for a little while, but then causes you to feel even worse when it wears off. Working out, and also certain other activities like learning to play an instrument, put you in a focused state where the rest of the world fades into the background, and when you come out of that state, you feel refreshed.
I wonder who it was. The only slightly good looking comedian that was famous, but not that great, from that era is Dane Cook. At least that I can think of.
I loved loved loved this interview/panel! Strong discussion on Growth/Self Love development! Taking Mental Notes, Thank you 4 such strong insight! Absolute Delight!
I know there are podcasts out there that Focus specifically on those topics, however, for a single podcast to be hilarious, insightful, heartfelt, and did I mention hilarious is *chef's kiss*🤌🏼
Only wish I could like this twice, but then it just removes the first one like lol. I was always afraid Kumail would "change" after working so hard on his body, but this interview has been very affirming that he's doing great.
That immigrant point is so interesting because it directly coincides with the increase in wealth that immigrant families get. Most of such foods rich in meat, carbs and fat is usually festive or food that only the upper classes could afford, and since they're now rich too, they can have that too. And as the kids grow up with that food, it becomes normal to them
You do realise anyone who can afford to move to another country can afford fkn chicken? Meat isn't a "rich" thing so much as a middle class or even just a financially stable thing.
@@utkarsh2746 Not really, first in half of the world chicken are used for eggs in poor family, cause why do you kill one of your primary and consistent source of food? Secon Conan was talking about '800-'900 emigration from Europe, when people in Italy, Ireland, Poland Greece (and a lot of other countries) were really starving and they can get on a boat often making debts, or by someone oversea paying for them (usually another member of the family). For example italian food, real italian food in Italy like every other mediterranean diet cousine is very poor of meat, but italian american food is full of it, cause italian migrants can finally consistently afford it.
I have no opinions on weightlifting or whatever (and don't really want to read anymore about it) but I've always thought he was cute and think it's interesting to hear him talk about struggling with self-image.
I only started working on my diet and general fitness in the last 8 years or so. Sure has been an eye opening experience. Still an Irish descended hill person though. Apparently theirs's only so much I can change about myself.
Stupid people just cant think beyond a cliche and process the fact he's genuinely into health and fitness and now lives the lifestyle that supports that physique.
Apart from the exercise and diet regimen for his physical transformation, I'd like for him to share his anabolic steroid stack he takes to compliment his diet and exercise routine.
He doesn’t take steroids lmao. His size never changes. If you’re truly asking for his stack then you would know about cycling and know he’s clearly not on tech. Also you don’t juice without a base. Maybe educate yourself on steroids before asking for a random celebrity stack
@@HigherKaiju Nah dude, he's on the juice. I'd been watching Silicon Valley season to season. In like season 3-4 he was had the his old average build, skinny on the chubby side, then on the 5th season, his muscles were just straight up visible through his sweater. There's no way he's not on gear.
@@ttly1384 check bodybuilding forum there is a guy who trained with him all of Silicon Valley from s2 up. Yeah no kidding after a few years he actually has big arms. That’s point of working out. Then he took shirtless pic and everyone assumed he did it in a year cause no one actually knows his life. You can’t take tech without a base and keep it. Off cycle loses it. If you knew anything about steroids you’d know that.
There is probably an NDA in his contract. Even Tom Hardy or Mac from Always Sunny have tried to hint that they took gear but they can't explicitly say it.
Team Coco, Post the Full Videos already, please ! Anywhere, I've looked on Spotify, Google Podcasts, even had a friend look on Apple Podcast - the full podcasts are Audio only 😞 Full Podcast in Video please !
Podcast needs ads. They support only audio ads. Putting it on TH-cam is terrible for business. These videos are like teasers and promos for the audio podcast.
@@John_C_J Makes sense. I wish they'd do whatever Joe Rogan's done at Spotify - they cut out from the video and do an ad in only audio with the Logo. There's a lot of their body language we miss out on when listening only to Audio.
Ha! You wish. Your options are audio only or you can piece together multiple short videos that only showcase about 20 mins of the actual podcast.. maybe less. Good luck to you soldier!
Yeah they sound so damn lazy. Just like how some people have beautiful faces because of their genetics other people respond to weight training with a good diet very positively while others have pathetic results.
Just in case anyone feels triggered and needs the reminder: almonds and dates are not a healthy meal because they’re not a meal at all. Healthy snack, sure. But NOT A MEAL. Tbh it sounds like Liza has an eating disorder but hopefully she eats more than what Conan has stated.
Any accomplished actor (or comedian) has the means to tap into the "resources" that hollywood offers especially with Marvel or DC involved to get "ripped" very quickly. By quckly i mean like two or three months. for most even truly sticking to a regiment especially if you are over 50 generally plateaus after the first month. So Kumail don't get me wrong brother I have always enjoyed your work, especially in the Obi Wan series but I find it difficult to believe you did that on your own with no physical trainer or diet advice most aren't privied to.. Hey but if so Kudos to you brother!
What about the roids or HGH? Not knocking his impressive physical transformation, but there is no way his current physique is natural at his age, and history. And if we are talking about healthy lifestyles, heart attacks, and cancer--steroids and growth hormone are kinda the opposite, ya know? Kumail, are you all natural or not?
He doesn't looked juiced at all. Lazy people with bad genetics always assume a fit person is on steroids. He is no where close to Arnold Schwarzenegger during his Mr. Olympia days. Even without steroids Arnold had great genetics and was in unreal physical condition. People can be as fit if they consistently eat well, take a good vitamin regime, be blessed with above average family genetics, change up your workout to trick your muscles, sleep well, and process your daily stressors in a positive way. It's an all year commitment to yourself that becomes a lifestyle and not a "workout".
He seriously has one of the most pharmaceutical transformations of all time LMAO For crying out loud, my man’s HEAD grew sideways; WTF do people think happened?? Saucier than a pizza pie
I bet the show where the guy made fun of him for gaining weight was Franklin and Bash, cause that show sucked ass and i imagine most people on it were pricks
9:38 Kumail says his mom is "now" the best cook he knows. I'm assuming he's known his mom his whole life. Was she not a good cook when he was growing up?
Or he's come to appreciate her cooking. Or he no longer knows the other good cooks he used to know. Or he only recently found out she cooks. Or she might ALSO have always previously been the best cook he knew.
Whatever makes people happy, but for me personally his face looked way better pre test/whatever else he's taking. I'm sure his body looks insane, but I don't think it does wonders for your face or longevity. Imho all he needed back then was to just lose a couple lbs/workout a bit.
Honestly, judging from his age and recent face changes, it looks like he got a chin augmentation. Very common in actors that go with this aesthetic. It is not only the women that do plastic surgery.
@@HigherKaiju Those striated delts he had were most certainly from some form of test. That and some supplements to shed water weight. Zac Efron and Henry Cavill have both mentioned it in interviews. For one of the Wolverine fight sequences Hugh Jackman was barely allowed any water for days.
Stupid people just cant think beyond a cliche and process the fact he's genuinely into health and fitness and now lives the lifestyle that supports that physique. Take steroids now please if you want.
@@JavierFernandez01 they pretty much do because you get huge gains in short time from minimum effort. Of course you must accept that long term your nuts will shrink and you'll die earlier.
A superhero who makes things slightly warmer should be called Luke Warm
This..how is this not getting a 100K likes
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Gold 🤣
:) Would pay to see Luke Wilson as Luke Warm if the movie was written & directed by Mike Judge.
You win.
LOVEDDDD this interview. Kumail is so funny, hope you can have him again
Agreed!! 🤗
Love you Conan! Your humility is rarely equally returned as it was from Kumail.
So glad to know that it is possible for people to stay down to earth even whilst being so blessed. 😊
It was really great to watch their dynamic and their humility was a huge part that for me!
As a fomer really cute kid until puberty hit, I'm proud of Kumail's recovery from that. For me, it's decades later and I have never recovered my mojo.
And with the name JonPaul, you never will...
@@zosorover828 Lol. I gave up on it a while ago, don't think a name has much to do with it either way. My cute-era is long gone, even if I changed my name to Zosorover69247.
I think you're still cute
You'll be good bud.
Just take steroids & workout like Kumail
That gazpacho joke is my weakness really got me. So quick, so effortless.
This is so true. Getting into weight lifting changes so much more than just how your body looks. You realize food is fuel and you gain an appreciation for the subtle flavors of fresh healthy food. And for someone with anxiety, the gym literally becomes your favorite place in the world because it's the only place you can focus 100% of your attention on what you're doing in the moment.
I have a sincere question, and I'm prepared for you to not answer or to dislike the question or whatever you're going to do. Are you not in the moment when you, um, autoerotically service yourself?
@@anitaspencer7526 Nope, not even then, tbh. As someone with anxiety, my mind can wander even when I am "autoerotically servicing myself". But gym hits different, as we progressively overload, if I am not in the moment, it really shows. Weight lifting is just one of the things that can take ur full focus, but its one of the most available, documented and healthy things to do.
@@eshwarprasad9218 Interesting, I see. Makes sense what with the mental discipline aspect and the immediacy of the proactivity requirement. Good holidays to you, Eshwar.
@@anitaspencer7526”autoerotically service yourself” sounds so odd. Like you’re talking about Transformers and machines lol. All you had to say was “pleasure yourself.”
@Anita Spencer I never saw this question. TH-cam never sends notifications for some reason. To answer your question, yes that activity does put you in the current moment, but only briefly, and not in a way that produces any lasting positive effects. It's more like the way a drug will allow you to forget your troubles and anxiety for a little while, but then causes you to feel even worse when it wears off. Working out, and also certain other activities like learning to play an instrument, put you in a focused state where the rest of the world fades into the background, and when you come out of that state, you feel refreshed.
Can we process how good the put down is, “you need to look like that, to work” is?
no
@@spacewalker806 hahaha
I wonder who it was. The only slightly good looking comedian that was famous, but not that great, from that era is Dane Cook. At least that I can think of.
It's the ultimate burn🔥
This interview is what they call a hoot! Man, the shoulder jokes is what got it roasting 😂
Wouldn't it be a cluck lol?
That was absolutely a fantastic give and take!
In all honestly, he was very adorable
the quick wit on this table is astounding
This podcast is really damn good. I hope Conan expands and gets a whole bunch of different people on here.
2:18 Luke Warm is a great superhero name
That's been my Smooth Jazz artist name for decades
OMG, this was so fun and genuinely nice.
I loved loved loved this interview/panel!
Strong discussion on Growth/Self Love development!
Taking Mental Notes, Thank you 4 such strong insight! Absolute Delight!
I know there are podcasts out there that Focus specifically on those topics, however, for a single podcast to be hilarious, insightful, heartfelt, and did I mention hilarious is *chef's kiss*🤌🏼
@@MiguelJuanez I concur! well articulated! Appreciate you taking the time to engage! Wishing you the most beautiful day! 👐🏽✨
Only wish I could like this twice, but then it just removes the first one like lol. I was always afraid Kumail would "change" after working so hard on his body, but this interview has been very affirming that he's doing great.
That immigrant point is so interesting because it directly coincides with the increase in wealth that immigrant families get. Most of such foods rich in meat, carbs and fat is usually festive or food that only the upper classes could afford, and since they're now rich too, they can have that too. And as the kids grow up with that food, it becomes normal to them
You do realise anyone who can afford to move to another country can afford fkn chicken? Meat isn't a "rich" thing so much as a middle class or even just a financially stable thing.
@@utkarsh2746 That's his point. Anyone can afford the food kings once ate, so we gorge ourselves to death.
@@utkarsh2746 Not really, first in half of the world chicken are used for eggs in poor family, cause why do you kill one of your primary and consistent source of food?
Secon Conan was talking about '800-'900 emigration from Europe, when people in Italy, Ireland, Poland Greece (and a lot of other countries) were really starving and they can get on a boat often making debts, or by someone oversea paying for them (usually another member of the family).
For example italian food, real italian food in Italy like every other mediterranean diet cousine is very poor of meat, but italian american food is full of it, cause italian migrants can finally consistently afford it.
I would argue meat is now the cheapest, shittiest ingredient. It's the vegetables that are becoming the sign of wealth.
I have no opinions on weightlifting or whatever (and don't really want to read anymore about it) but I've always thought he was cute and think it's interesting to hear him talk about struggling with self-image.
I only started working on my diet and general fitness in the last 8 years or so. Sure has been an eye opening experience. Still an Irish descended hill person though. Apparently theirs's only so much I can change about myself.
Kumail needs to be on more often.
Title = "Doughnuts & F@ckin" ~ Conan's upcoming bio (the Conan O'Brien story) 🤣😂😆
WOW.. Great interview~! I loves me some Conan.
I love Kumail, man. Dude's just great.
This was so entertaining!!
Look at that picture. That's a kid that knows he's got adults in the palm of his hand.
The improv on display here is inspiring!
He took the Marvel vitamins
It's worse that he's not even flexing it enough in the movie, if I remember correctly.
Stupid people just cant think beyond a cliche and process the fact he's genuinely into health and fitness and now lives the lifestyle that supports that physique.
@@fs7792 stupid people comment on things they dont understand, and yes, I specifically refer to you.
@@fs7792 omg…. He put on waaay too much muscle in way too short a time period for it to be natty in any way. You’re trippin
@@fs7792 that's not how the human body works
Donuts And F-ing is a great book. I couldn’t put it down.
In the picture he looks like he knows he’s cute
Loved this episode and also reminded me of the live episode of Super Ego that he was a part of, such a funny dude
1:09 It's the eyes...then and now lol. Strong!!
Kumail is up there with Timothy O as the best and funniest guests of all time. More Kumail!
Came here for the photo, and was not disappointed. 😍
Doctor Gazpacho versus Luke Warm.
Ahhh poor superhero name, Conan! Luke Warm is right there!
Maybe when your power is that bad you just don't feel like coming up with a good name.
Wait, when Julia Louis-Dreyfus was an SNL cast member in the 80s, she ACTUALLY PLAYED a super hero who could change the temperature slightly.
Conan O’Brien & Kumail Nanjiani 🔥
That has to be his favorite picture.
"Oh yea. That's me back when i was CRUSHING it."
I just realized he reminds of Robin Williams
Someone cast him on a Mrs doubtfire remake
I can't unsee it now
Balmyman's secret identity is Luke Warm. 😆
This was awesome LOLOL
"on principle?" Lol
🤣😍😜best cute car salesman baby pic ever!!! “sir i can get you into this geo metro for 18k come on… its a steal”
:)
Please interview Brenden Fraser
Love you conan and love you kumail
One of just a few episodes where Conan mentioned his wife.
1:30 My mom says the same thing about me.. this makes me think this is just a Pakistani mom thing to say lol.
Conan O'brien
Apart from the exercise and diet regimen for his physical transformation, I'd like for him to share his anabolic steroid stack he takes to compliment his diet and exercise routine.
He doesn’t take steroids lmao. His size never changes. If you’re truly asking for his stack then you would know about cycling and know he’s clearly not on tech. Also you don’t juice without a base. Maybe educate yourself on steroids before asking for a random celebrity stack
Yeah, that jaw looks suspect.
@@HigherKaiju Nah dude, he's on the juice. I'd been watching Silicon Valley season to season. In like season 3-4 he was had the his old average build, skinny on the chubby side, then on the 5th season, his muscles were just straight up visible through his sweater. There's no way he's not on gear.
@@ttly1384 check bodybuilding forum there is a guy who trained with him all of Silicon Valley from s2 up. Yeah no kidding after a few years he actually has big arms. That’s point of working out. Then he took shirtless pic and everyone assumed he did it in a year cause no one actually knows his life. You can’t take tech without a base and keep it. Off cycle loses it. If you knew anything about steroids you’d know that.
There is probably an NDA in his contract. Even Tom Hardy or Mac from Always Sunny have tried to hint that they took gear but they can't explicitly say it.
My fav natty
Heheh
“Chicken in suspenders” LMAOOO
Is there a way to see the full visual episodes for his podcast. It’s audio only on Spotify. I prefer visuals.
We all do.. but it seems they prefer to make us watch 10 separate segments instead..
Team Coco, Post the Full Videos already, please ! Anywhere, I've looked on Spotify, Google Podcasts, even had a friend look on Apple Podcast - the full podcasts are Audio only 😞 Full Podcast in Video please !
Podcast needs ads. They support only audio ads. Putting it on TH-cam is terrible for business. These videos are like teasers and promos for the audio podcast.
@@John_C_J Makes sense. I wish they'd do whatever Joe Rogan's done at Spotify - they cut out from the video and do an ad in only audio with the Logo. There's a lot of their body language we miss out on when listening only to Audio.
great episode😂😂😂👍👍👏👏👏
Here for the donuts and f*ckin
5:10 it was john mayer
Pls can we have the full podcast????
Spotify i believe
Ha! You wish. Your options are audio only or you can piece together multiple short videos that only showcase about 20 mins of the actual podcast.. maybe less. Good luck to you soldier!
Mix em together and you get glazed donuts.
Has anyone ever thought of a mediocre super hero movie? Comedy? I’d prob watch it
LOTS of angry dudes in these comments who think a bit too much about steroids lol
Yeah they sound so damn lazy. Just like how some people have beautiful faces because of their genetics other people respond to weight training with a good diet very positively while others have pathetic results.
As R2D2's Therapist
And a little gear/test does'nt hurt.
Conan's toilet is his therapist.
South Asians love using produce as bullying, they used to call me aloo-head 😭😭😭
Hi aloohead, my name is PotatoNipples
Just the good ol' "chicken and broccoli" diet 😉
Keto. Its basically the diabetic diet.
@@JavierFernandez01 He is talking more along the lines of tren hard anavar give up!
Just in case anyone feels triggered and needs the reminder: almonds and dates are not a healthy meal because they’re not a meal at all. Healthy snack, sure. But NOT A MEAL.
Tbh it sounds like Liza has an eating disorder but hopefully she eats more than what Conan has stated.
Why Conan going off axis on that mic lately!?
Any accomplished actor (or comedian) has the means to tap into the "resources" that hollywood offers especially with Marvel or DC involved to get "ripped" very quickly. By quckly i mean like two or three months. for most even truly sticking to a regiment especially if you are over 50 generally plateaus after the first month. So Kumail don't get me wrong brother I have always enjoyed your work, especially in the Obi Wan series but I find it difficult to believe you did that on your own with no physical trainer or diet advice most aren't privied to.. Hey but if so Kudos to you brother!
I never thought I could relate to Kumail so much. Body dysmorphia was horrible and something I struggled with for a while
Hh the famous HGH man
LOL the demonization of carbs is hilarious
Did he get in shape for The Eternals or because of Bautista? I mean, Brian Tyree Henry wasn't in the gym.
He sure aged fast after doing that cycle of tren.
I hope all the people taking his advice on body health are aware of his steroid cycles lol
@@nikkjcrespo sadly they aren’t and these celebs cover it up more
What’s his stack
Conebone69
Geeze, people are coming in hot on the roidcusations down here lol what a strange thing for people to fixate on
What about the roids or HGH? Not knocking his impressive physical transformation, but there is no way his current physique is natural at his age, and history. And if we are talking about healthy lifestyles, heart attacks, and cancer--steroids and growth hormone are kinda the opposite, ya know? Kumail, are you all natural or not?
Why wasn't Sentient Toilet a character on the show :)?
Juiced but still a nice dude
He doesn't looked juiced at all. Lazy people with bad genetics always assume a fit person is on steroids. He is no where close to Arnold Schwarzenegger during his Mr. Olympia days. Even without steroids Arnold had great genetics and was in unreal physical condition. People can be as fit if they consistently eat well, take a good vitamin regime, be blessed with above average family genetics, change up your workout to trick your muscles, sleep well, and process your daily stressors in a positive way. It's an all year commitment to yourself that becomes a lifestyle and not a "workout".
@@dx9506 His face shape literally changed lol. This is clearly a case of juicing.
I'm glad he didn't avroid ... I mean avoid the question.
He seriously has one of the most pharmaceutical transformations of all time LMAO
For crying out loud, my man’s HEAD grew sideways; WTF do people think happened?? Saucier than a pizza pie
He looks like an Indian Charlie Sheen
Charlie Sheen at what point in his life?
@@EatinPaste The AIDS phase.
@@maxmeier532 Still a lot better than Phase 4 of MCU.
🍩🍩🍩🍩
I bet the show where the guy made fun of him for gaining weight was Franklin and Bash, cause that show sucked ass and i imagine most people on it were pricks
🤤 Now I want dooonuts 🍩🍩🍩🍩🍩🍩🍩🍩
Who’s up for some Guac Tacs?
I understand his body changed but what happened to his face and jawline!?
Roids
Did Kumail finally showeeupy?
Nanshowyuppy
9:38 Kumail says his mom is "now" the best cook he knows. I'm assuming he's known his mom his whole life. Was she not a good cook when he was growing up?
Or he's come to appreciate her cooking. Or he no longer knows the other good cooks he used to know. Or he only recently found out she cooks. Or she might ALSO have always previously been the best cook he knew.
Or his favorite cooks died
@@danieldaniels4917 There can be only one
Kumail's jawline is much more square-ish than before. I don't think that's just from losing body fat. Just saying.
hgh
How do you know what that face fat was hiding?
@@halfcentaur9836 Unless you look like Brendan Fraser your face fat isnt hiding your whole giga chad jaw.
Yes he had determination. He also had steroids, let’s talk about that
100%. You don’t get that body that quickly without pharmaceuticals.
Hes mid 40's and gained more mass than 99% of guys I played D1 ball with... I'm sure it's just the Marvel nutritionists tho...
Lmao exactly I was hoping he would talk about his steroid use
Who is he kidding. He's obviously using growth hormones.
Whatever makes people happy, but for me personally his face looked way better pre test/whatever else he's taking. I'm sure his body looks insane, but I don't think it does wonders for your face or longevity. Imho all he needed back then was to just lose a couple lbs/workout a bit.
He’s not on test? He’s south Asian they hold weight in their face. It’s genetics. So negative and wrong
Honestly, judging from his age and recent face changes, it looks like he got a chin augmentation. Very common in actors that go with this aesthetic. It is not only the women that do plastic surgery.
@@HigherKaiju Those striated delts he had were most certainly from some form of test. That and some supplements to shed water weight. Zac Efron and Henry Cavill have both mentioned it in interviews. For one of the Wolverine fight sequences Hugh Jackman was barely allowed any water for days.
@@HigherKaiju Welcome to bodybuilding and yes it does affect longevity and joint health. Look up Tom Hardy's interviews about quick weight gain.
He’s also getting ripped for movies. He’s on that marvel movie workout routine
Dude is an inspiration. I think about doing steroids now.
They don't work on their own.
Stupid people just cant think beyond a cliche and process the fact he's genuinely into health and fitness and now lives the lifestyle that supports that physique. Take steroids now please if you want.
@@fs7792 Of course he does. The same way everyone in Hollywood does.
@@JavierFernandez01 they pretty much do because you get huge gains in short time from minimum effort. Of course you must accept that long term your nuts will shrink and you'll die earlier.
@@fs7792 Someone has found the control-C control-P button.
🥸
Pakistani food is nothing but Indian food mate ...weird how a partition divides a hundreds of year culture
He's so jacked now. I remember him so average and very much a beta male like me. Good for him. Very inspirational
ah, Kumail Non-showiuppy
The hgh man cometh
How do you know I am 11th grader?