THE FOUR KINGS DESTROYED ME IN SF2 WORLD WARRIOR
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ย. 2024
- You won't normally catch me playing Zangief... but today I play through SF2 World Warrior with Zangief and how come the 4 kings/bosses were giving me the BUSINESS!?
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When I was younger, it was rare for me to beat Vega. Whenever I did, Sagat crushed all of my dreams. The Shadaloo Kings were vicious.
Sagat definitely gave me more trouble than Bison. Bison was relatively easy.
you not lying esp when vega climb the gate and get you with that mid air back drop
Balrog is the easiest 1, he literally telegraph his moves...
Vega once kicked through a dragon punch I threw. It was almost enough to make me me quit playing Street Fighter II altogether.
@@aggressiveattitudeera887 It's about timing and anticipation
One of the odd things about playing WW again is seeing the old ways characters would fall from an air attack without flipping around to land on their feet. A lot of the time it now looks like they're falling into a dizzy state.
Yo that wake up slide had me cracking up! 🤣 shoutouts to great content as always 💯
You gotta love The brokennes of The Original Street Fighter 2 in all ways🤣🤣🤣. Fun fact about Sagat's Tiger Uppercut, if you counter hit it you will deal double damage Just like countering Blanka Ball só that trade against Sagat was 100% in your favor Justin. Also Zangief hás The easiest time against M.Bison as all you have tô do is spam sweep 😅😅😅( even better if you hit with The tip of The foot) as He will never block it.
You're absolutely right, especially about Sagat and Blanka...
i always thought (when playing it young) he was saying "Hyper ...", though, the noise in the arcades was prob. the reason. as broken as it was, tbf they were designed to eat up coins.
@@giornikitop5373 Yeah back then most people couldnt figure out WTH The characters where saying for many reasons with The One you mentioned being a perfectly valid one. Yeah back things with The CPU cheating and stuff was done on purpose tô Just eat your whole montly salary in quarters 🤣🤣🤣
zangief got instant transmission grabs
That moment as a gief main where I scream USE LARIAT.
6:00 I HAVE NEVER SEEN THIS BONUS STAGE 😮
I still can't believe how stupid I was as a kid, I was like 11 years old, and SF2 came out, and I was so hyped for it (granted, at that time, it was the big blockbuster fighting game for normies, as we really didn't know about fighting games before it came out), that I bought it, which was like $60 (most snes and ps1 games were ~ $60 dollars, can't remember how much nes games were, as also with the nes, I was probably too young, to know of prices, parents just bought/got stuff for bdays and xmas only, and only 1 gift for each, the times have changed so much, with kids nowadays, getting tons of stuff all of the time, and rarely ever use/play most of it at all), and back then at a kid, I had gotten pretty good at it (as I played it like 24/7), and it wasn't very complex, so even I a normie at fighting games, could get pretty good (unlike with all of the more fancy fighting games, that need good finger dexterity and etc, which I do not have, sighs), being able to beat it on the hardest difficulty setting with every character, and even without ever losing either (but would lose some individual rounds in a match, but never lost where I had to re-continue game, at least I don't think I've ever beat the game with winning every single round, lol), which if I remember, does give you a slightly different ending, for beating on hardest difficulty setting without having to re-continue, don't remember if the "sheng long" secret boss thing was ever real or not, it's been so long, I don't even remember how supposedly it was suppose to be unlocked either, lol
but man, I hated trying to win the entire game without losing... so frustrating... would ever throw my controller too... not a very bright kid... wrecking the buttons and d-pad, as eventually some buttons and d-pad directions wouldn't work, anymore
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PS
after SF2 at 11 years old, another later bday (maybe when I was 12 or 13, I think), one of my friends got me this "Secret of Mana" snes game... and my life changed... love RPGs to this day... laughs (I played and liked rpgs before SoM, but I was too young and struggled with them, especially the nes, where rpgs were very hard without extensive grinding, and a lesser extent with most snes, but grinding was still required for some of them too, but anyways, I didn't really know what a "rpg" was, and how much a truly loved them, until SoM, but after that, it was rpg for then on and forever, laughs
(I always have still like fighting games a lot too, just found my love for rpgs, laughs, but as the fighting games got better, and more complex with combos and everything else, I couldn't keep up, with the finger dexterity needs, reaction time, and etc stuff, but still loved to play against my friends, just normies playing against each other)
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absolute most favorite fighting game is Primal Rage, just so different with the dinosaur characters (while at the time, it was a mature fighting game, like MK and KI, so that was extra cool too), and etc, though it's not that enjoyable to watch (more simplistic of a fighting game, and it needed more characters too, lol), third strike completely beats it out in terms of watching it, but as just a personal fav of fighting games, that's primal rage for me
but next is definitely third strike, just love watching all of you pros play them, tournaments and etc, though, I wish some of the characters were a bit more diverse, a bit too many of them are a bit too similar to each other
PS
the AI for the normal fighters (not: balrog, vega, sagat, and bison), had some loop holes... if you just walk back a few steps, they'll walk towards you, and so, you then walk forward and throw them, works every time (rinse and repeat), can get perfect wins most of the time, and this might still work on the 4 bosses too, but much harder to pull off, as they have a bit more AI programming actions and routines, of course
but, I'm sure there's tons of other such "cheats" you can find/do with such early AI of SF2, laughs
ME AND DAIGO LOVE TO FIGHT VEGA WHEN ME AND DAIGO WAS YOUNGER
i love playing world warrior and with zangief too so i went straight to see justin fight sagat
Actually only works against non priority moves btw.....and i have buried many a zangief player trying this sad tick throw hehe 😊
Four King Hell!
Zangief is almighty!!
World Warrior has always been unbearable to me, if only because of how imbalanced Chun Li, Claw Vega, and Master Bison (Dictator Vega) are: I did a run of it on Difficulty 08 via the Thirtieth Anniversary Collection (North America Version) during the Late Night of July 024 of 2022 (Eastern Time), it took me north of Four Hours and I even exceeded Battle 099 simply to get to the end of the game, unironically as Ken being who I finished with (considering that he is the best character of this edition for Speedruns and the competitive space; still need to see if he is viable for Tournaments of Hyper Street Fighter II); compared to Special Champion Edition (Street Fighter II Plus) and onwards, World Warrior was unforgiving because of the Damage/Invincibility dominance of the mentioned, as well as having unreasonably stricter frame windows to execute Specials (Ryu and Ken's Shoryuken is incredibly tight to execute, and for newcomers, good luck on getting Chun Li's Roundhouse Lightning Kick and Honda's Fierce Thousand Hand Slap to work correctly; sometimes, I feel that you need a Turbo Input (Megafire) controller simply to do some of these moves correctly, you really have Zero room for error when using them on Difficulty 08), the game doesn't intentionally cheat but akin to what Mortal Kombat (I992) and II the AI players are predominantly coded to instantly react to exactly how you execute each attack and movement, you can really tell that World Warrior was not friendly at all to the concept of Anti~Air nor Special Disruption against the AI players and it is a journey and a half before one discovers exploits such as what you have done here with Zangief's Throw Lock setup.
Vega is mad stupid in this so I'm surprised you beat him with Zangief
Watching Justin get Tiger spammed brought joy to my day. How does it feel, lol
Facts. Justin would combo those ssf2 tiger shots
😂😂😂😂
He was gonna learn that day.
@@DeadwaveCarrier-oc1wo And he has the gall to get mad when other people lame him out. It's funny when it's the AI
😂😂😂😂
When Bison was bopping Justin someone in chat said “It’s not even Tuesday yet.’’
ahah, hilarious XDD
"What's the point of lariat!?"
There *wasn't one* Justin.
It was and is iconic though. HURIYA!
I could never get Zangiefs spinning pile driver to work back in the day
Start from forward or back, quarter circle to down, move straight to up and any punch button.
@@willienelson1245 really? theres been a shortcut the whole time?
@willienelson1245 that actually pisses me off lol. No wonder I couldn't make it work. The instructions were wrong.
I laughed so hard when bison got the stun, then jumped to fullscreen just to style with the psycho crusher.
11:03
😂@@kcsnipes
I'd call that "DESTROYED!"))
Bro called an iso!! And scored lol!
@@Retro90sgamer he said 'clear it out i got jwonggg ?!'
desk has put out a few videos about the unique oddities of World Warrior. Bosses being randomly invincible is actually coded into the game, believe it or not. Also, certain characters would take huge damage if they got counterhit by projectiles.
Blanka is destroyed if hit during cannonball
@alexojideagu I mean ... you are rolling yourself at full momentum in the air and you get hit with a *fireball*
Yeah! That's gonna hurt!
@@imranroy4731it's the inconsistency that's strange. Why doesn't it happen to Honda. It also works on Tiger Uppercut which helped
These are the struggles of a 1992 Zangief player.
How to no grab
"This is a bad match-up." Flashback to Justin getting cooked by MegamanX-8's Zangief.
CigarBob smoked him too!
12:30 Welcome to the CPU's advantage of having an additional frame priority.
Thats how sad ppl are. They wont leave that advantage
Thats their favorite thing ever. Wow so sneaky wow so smart. Rats
Fond memories. I remember the arcade operator coming in and the coin box was overflowing with money.
The cinematic Psycho Crusher at 11:03 tho
It seemed slower and more deliberate. And extra disrespectful
@@TheBlueprintsOrlando Ikr?
Remember having SF2 on snes and i grinded all the way to Bison on the hardest difficulty with Ruy. Vega was hard but menage to get thrue, but then the pain came with Sagat. For gods sake that tiger echoed probably for good 120 minutes straight. It was so frustrating but I managed to finally win. And Bison.. I Could win ONE round but then he become a GOD and it was impossible to win.. Some day i will have my revenge!
I went crazy when EGM put out the April's Fools Joke. You couldn't really try this at the arcades because you were always getting challenged.
I tried it on the home versions: first on the SNES World Warrior and then on the Genesis Special Championship Edition.
Tried beating the game at the highest difficulty to try and unlock Sheng Long.
When it didn't work, tried to beat it without losing a match/ie no continues.
When that didn't work either, I tried to beat it without losing a round.
At this point the frustration factor when you owned all of the characters before getting to either Vega or Sagat and having them take one round from you. And then be a pushover for the third round. 😣😣🤬🤬
The next step beyond that was perfect rounds/no damage, and I don't think I ever pulled that off.
Level 8 snes ww bison was like this
✂️🦵✂️🦵😵🦵✂️🦵✂️KO. All day.
Street Fighter 6 needs to add back these Kings of fighting. These icons of culture. It feels so incomplete without them.
Bison can stay away, the rest can come back, but they aren't always needed.
you can stay away instead.@@Raytheman581
Fully agree jp is crap boss tbh
Good news everyone, Bison is being added back in Season 2 of Street Fighter 6.
10:12 bro that walk in throw was straight up disrespectful..like the kind where a beginning plays ranked for the first time ever and they get matched up to a pro
💀Night night💀
😂
"YOU'RE GONNA LEARN" - Sagat
This OG zangief SPD range is like 3 to 5 meter that's OP right there
Lol
Ah, grapplers. Justin's weakness whether he fights them or is playing as them.
Also, Bison totally had that slide as a reversal
Omg really thats justin Wong weakness omg.
video title says "the four kings destroyed me" But there's no balrog fight. What happened? Where is it? Did Justin kick boxers ass so badly he didn't need to show it?
7:36 The active frames on those jump-in knees are abusive! 😂😂😂😂
They have a dedicated world warrior cab at my local retro arcade.
Ah yes...When Guile had a better voice. Too bad they ruined his voice Super Turbo 😣
Also, Dhalsim's KO scream always makes me feel sorry for him 😢
Edit: I would like to see Justin Wong playing the original Fighter's History, NOT Dynamite.
The OG FH has better music and voices than its sequel
This is the one that started it all for me. Such fond memories.
Good job Justin you won with zangief this was really tough especially going up against m bison but you pulled it off very impressive
Thanks Justin Wong I appreciate you so much this was a tough one but you pulled through and won keep up the good work
This game is nothing but a quarter sucking rough draft with legendary status. 😂
I’m getting childhood flashbacks of being up in the arcade losing all my quarters to SFII.
claw air kicks have big hitbox under him but not above him. the thing is wait him to wall jump and air kick him from an upper position. You can air kick him on his wake up because he has no antinair and most of times he will wake up jump, eating your air kick if you are jumping over him, not even need to cross up.
12:32 lol
The disrespect by not hitting you from Bison when you are stunned was crazy xD
Justin getting a taste of his own O Sagat medicine here! Lol!
fighting claw in the og sf2 kickstarted my burning HATRED for fighting claw down the line lol
the toughest of the four kings, legit
It was easy with guile. I just hold down and flash kick
Same here
I was never good at fighting games. It took me years to get a dragon punch motion input correct somewhat regularly. Took me forever to beat Claw.
@@GamerGee It's Easy with Ryu and Ken as well, Shoryuken FTW
The sad thing is Sagat's High Tiger Shot also hits a crouch blocking Dhalsim... and he's not even that tall!
I see where The Gerneral got his wake up slide from..... by the way, that chip damage from Psycho Crusher is legit ridiculous!
Justin you should check out a video by desk, it's called how the computer cheated you in SF2, it's a great look at how the AI constantly pulls off moves and recoveries that are not possible
The Old O. Sagat with the ambiguous high-low tigers that hit regardless lol
That M Bison WW boss edition is just built different holy smokes
WW geif gets no pushback from SPD so yeah super easy. Don’t let mega man master hyper sf and he gets WW gief.
I’m still a WW guile. The jab infinite LOL.
SF2WW Zang cannot evades high tigers crouching, deal with that , kid.... and about "long range" SPD ... on CE Zang has the longest range SPD of entire Serie
Good morning Legend justin wong of Marvel vs capcom and Street fighter 3 y 4 and 5. I told you once some fighting games are different and either more tougher or confusing. In addition you probably could beat me in those fighting games but in Street fighter 2 and other games Nah no you can't.Especially in tge 90s and yup im 1 of tgem a guy from the 90s like Daigo and Alex valle and others who paid the way for younger competitors. They were my cup of tea. Blessings justin
its a proven fact that the AI in early fighting games openly cheat because they have invincibility frames on certain skills and basic attacks that players simply do not have. its been well documented on TH-cam with video evidence. on top of the that, the four kings have insane damage.
Yes, this was precisely why Champion Edition was made and many moves got adjusted.
Zangief was absolutely unplayable if he got Okie on you just once in the game, it was all over.
SPD had mad range and he could basically link any button into it, the move literally had no start up frames, it was instantaneous like a warp.
Zangief could grab you after spotting you through his binoculars.
being hit by high tiger shots WHILE DUCKING is cheap!! and yes , beating the game without the ryu and ken was tough asf but doable back then. good times and also bad times when bosses short and jab did fierce and roundhouse damage lol
I had to wait until the local Street Fighter machines had infinite air hadokens before I stood a chance.
I feel that! 😂
we gotta get justin to play rainbow, accelerated, whatever edition lol
i played in one of those that was so altered vega could grab from the other side of the screen......the easiest victories ever......it was INSANE......
DP with a wall of hadoukens , instant KO
You could cancel a no charge sonic boom into a no charge flash kick and loop it, going higher and higher until you wrap vertically, and once you did that and kept going, you couldn't be hit until you stopped the loop. Watching your opponent go thru you trying to hit you out of the air was so good 😂
I hate Vega/Claw!
The only good things about him, his SF2 theme (he always gets good remixes of his iconic theme) and the Chun-Li's shower scenes in the SF2 animated movie 😁😏
Hehe, every Shadaloo boss comes with a higher multiplier on your quarters, cha-ching!
Lol WW Dictator straight up cheats. And it's not me being salty or anything, he litteraly cheats in this game. They coded him to cheat.
I relived some trauma watching that.....
I love this content! Brings me back to my old arcade/SNES days.
U DIDN’T MISS UR SPD INPUTS JUSTIN, THE A.I IN THIS GAME CHEATS AND KILLS UR INPUT. THOSE CAPCROOKS XD
=)
What makes the bosses so tough is the light attacks hit heavy. Vegas flying kick is deadly
Modern on sf6 has turned Justin to the dark side.
Welcome to the real world, Justin! You gonna learn!
The best version of this game is rainbow edition,the pure jank in it is so fun .
Elmo subliminal! I see you editor' 11:28
I hope they add balrog and Vega in sf6 of shadaloo returns
World Warrior would just occasionally have the CPU decide to allow your close range low kicks to pass through them, after which they punished you. There's probably videos about it on TH-cam, I'm sure. I'm pretty sure the only way I ever beat CPU Bison with Zangief was just spamming him with standing jumping kicks and jabs. It's essentially the same way any decent Chun Li player can crush Bison repeatedly in this version.
The bosses in WW really just flat-out cheat lol
Best version is Snes Justin. 😊
Yeah tell Justin to play snes ww on level 8. Lol all grab throws are tech by the cpu LOL
There are no throw techs in WW,@@GamerGee.
@@mjorge0alves I know. But the CPU can do them. They were techs before techs was defined.
I believe you mean counter throws,@@GamerGee. They wew programmed in the sequel, Champion Edition, to inform players that reversal-time counter throws would always win - if in range - while in the original version perfect ticks were inescapable. Tech thows were added only in Super Turbo/Grand Master Challenge, 2 years after Champion Edition.
Justin do i need to show you how beat Vega easily ?
I get you, Justin. These four bosses were nightmares, even though Balrog is the easiest one to defeat. I can definitely imange how hard it must be to defeat these bosses. Beating Balrog was no problem, but Vega was annoying so was Sagat.
vs. Claw/Vega: when he's on the wall, get distance, jump back with jab / medium punch (it's about the timing).
Sagat as you know, you have to push forward aggressively.
4 Kings? Where Balrog? 🤨
Obviously he beat him, Balrog is the easiest out of the 4...
I’m always happy to see Justin play as a grappler, especially Zangief.
Begging you to get an adult haircut
Seems like a fourth king was missing? No Balrog?
He beat him and just didn't show the footage
about 8 months ago i was playing sf2 on my family's sega megadrive 2. i was playing ryu and coming from sf5 and sf6 to this game was tough. games like these were designed to be a coin vacuum lol. i had to play each character multiple times to beat them. through sheer determination and luck i finally got onto playing against bison. that guy was so hard to fight against. i fought against him in so many battles that the match counter got to match 99 and due to memory limits stopped counting after that and i still hadn't beat him. i eventually gave up because my mom was calling me for dinner. i haven't played the game since then, mostly because having to switch between kicks and punches by pressing the start button was really annoying. but one day i swear i will beat him and i will see ryu's ending.
Get a 6 button sega pad its the best way to play and way more comfortable than the 3 button or the snes controller for fighting games. Heavy attack on the shoulder buttons always annoyed me.
@@seanronayne3654I always changed the controls on the snes to use medium attacks on the on shoulder buttons
Bro I got japanese world warrior and a super famicom at a con recently and I feel you man I'm no pro but I was stunned by how much bullshit the cpu pulls on you. Input reading is one thing but I thought I was going crazy when they decided once in a while to go completely invincible to beat out moves they shouldnt be able to. Nasty work
I thought I was watching Justin there for a second with all those TIGER! TIGER! TIGER 🐅
SPD Emergency~!
Anyone who's played World Warrior and fought the Four Kings knows exactly why they were not playable until the Champion Edition.
That is how Zangief's AI do when I keep doing vertical jump kick on him.
He command grab me, by making me teleport to his normal grab range :D
I was never a great zangief player, so I can appreciate it when someone knows what they're doing! definitely don't mess with the OG WW bosses!
5:05 The comment "HE COULD HANG ON THE CAGE!!!???"
Welcome to one of the most f'd up fights in the early 90s, kid 😂😂😂
Yeah...they be cheating
SFII annoying me a lot when the cpu recovery/reversal stand up and when it use special movies without load, as Guile, Bison, Balrog, Deejay etc
I remember spending ages trying to beat Bison with Zangief… That was the last character ending I needed to have beaten the game with everyone!
Happy days lol
bison is just hard... some (or a lot) of it is just luck too... no matter who you are.... but ya, some characters obviously do a bit better, not having some of the weaknesses of other characters, and having some strengths that the other characters don't have, when it comes to against bison, (or whoever too)
It's been so long (years and years and years), so I can't really remember who struggled with the most against bison... usually/generally zangief and dhalsim are the "weakest", though honda and blanka can sometimes have some difficulties too
ryu/ken (funny, how literally no difference between them at all in terms of play), chun li, and guile, are definitely the top tier characters in SF2, though against humans chun-li is one lower tier, but against the computer, she's up in the top tier with ryu/ken and guile
(not sure if the tiers are different with pros or not, maybe justin can chime in on this, at the pro level, what's the tier/ranking of the characters in SF2)
Mr. Wong how come you weren't nominated for fighting game streamer but your opponent max was?😢
M Bison:: **sings** ELECTRIC SLIDE!! **sings**😈
Of course, the SPD had less push back on impact as well so you were next to your opponent when they were getting up again.
for WW zangief, the safejump loop you have to keep doing is jLK crLP SPD, no need to negative edge but preferable if you do Just In Case, lariat is also completely useless in this game, sorry justin
anyways factoids about the bosses for anyone who cares to read
boxer TAP doesnt have any levels and there's a slower variation where he holds it randomly
claw can get OTG'd! and his walldive has a weakbox which means interrupting this causes him to take extra damage
sagat's uppercut has a weakbox on the recovery, his stMP and stHP are identical and are effectively impossible to whiff punish, while his standing kicks have fully extended and disjointed hitboxes
dictator's scissor kicks is actually his stHK, which means it cant do chip damage since its a normal, but it means he can link scissors into scissors because it does that much hitstun
Wait a FUCKING MINUTE! o0
Bison haven't attacked you at 13:11, so WHY YOU DID GET COUNTER DAMAGE?!
You've been hit by a block or what? o0
That was SO cheap((
when Vega comes off the fence, with Zangief, you can counter by jumping straight up and then hitting up and HP for the "bell-acher" which breaks the splash if you time it right.
Not a reversal. More like the AI straight up cheating. Back then, fighting game AI is absolutely ridiculous with the amount of god mode (random invicibilty), crazy mashing, no charge input, straight up unblockable, input reading, etc. MK2 and SF2T is the best example of that.
Honestly i like this more over Turbo because it gives you more time to think and more time to enjoy the fights overall because they last longer. The only downside i can't justify is the less amount of characters.
I can see why.
I also like some CPS1 tracks over the CPS2 remixes.
Edit: Guile had a better voice in the SF2 games pre-Super Turbo
For Bison, you just need jumping splash straight into SPD, don't try the LP's after, just straight SPD, it's inescapable.
I'm 40 and still Iove cranking the difficulty to 8 and practicing YT combos... And now I'm a regular on Hyper fighting as a result... lol anyway... Claw is by far the most difficult to deal with he because of his jumping heavy kick it does so much damage and he just drops it whenever. It's so much fun how broken this game is over 30 years later.
I hated back then when the shadaloo Enemies As The Cpu in World Warrior Would Do a low kick or low punch and the damage would be a High Punch or High Kick Damage I Never Understood The Cheating Tactics the Shadaloo Warriors Get away with Bison Could Do Recovery Attacks Before He Lands