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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2017
- On today's #EverydayStruggle, Joe Budden and DJ Akademiks looked back 10 years at the Kanye West vs 50 Cent showdown and how that moment changed rap music forever going forward.
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Budden looking at Akademiks like proud father for that whole 1st minute.
mikhailgibbings exactly what I was thinking
mikhailgibbings wish my dad look at me with love nigga stay drunk
mikhailgibbings. Lol yeah every time Akademicks talks Crazy Joe has a brain spasm and his face strokes out so uncomfortable to watch
Lmao
Fr fr 😂😂😂
Kanye West v. 50 Cent was such a monumental moment for hip hop as a culture and its trajectory commercially. It was one hell of a selling pitch to the public and it was the one of the purest challenges in hip hop. Certified Kanye as a hip hop legend and almost a passing of a torch from 50, as well as signaling the end of the reign of gangsta/thug hip hop. AND they were both great albums!! 'What a time'...
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Darrel Be man what ti and Wayne were still hotter then Kanye
guwapDCFINEST huh??
Darrel Be it wasn't no passing of torch if that's the case he gave it to Wayne or ti they were hotter
guwapDCFINEST in 2007? Nah
2007:
Kanye - Wearing Polo
Cudi - Working at Bape
J. Cole - Graduating from St. John's
Soulja Boy - Relevant
Akademiks - Making beats
Joe - Dissing label
Nadeska - 36 years old
Kendrick - still K Dot with that Weezy influenced flow
Drake - still Wheelchair Jimmy but dropped Comeback Seasom
Nadedka- still a boy
Tom p Nadeska really 46? Daaaammmmnnnn!
MrGodismypower are you that fucking stupid? She's obviously not 46.
Nadeska - Still bae
50 was untouchable, then Kanye created arguably top 10 best rap album of all time . The quality Kanye gave the fans was mind blowing!!!
Facts 💯💯
@😎😎 The College Dropout is top 10 all time easily.
still 50's label leaked half his album and messed up his sales and that's why Kanye won easy
What are you on, Graduation is barely in Kanye’s top 10 albums
@@DjVtheJESUSsouja Kanye would still win
"If they hating let em hate and watch the money pile up."
Ichsuka ima tell you what banks told me
Jake Hall
Now i... I got shine ....
Throw ya hands up to the skyyyyyy
wtf BOBBY!!! wrong song THROW YA HANDS UP THE SKY?? BRUH THIS SONG IS 50 CENT- IN DA CLUB... SMH... THROW YA HANDS UP THE SKY?? BOTH COMMENTS WERE ABOUT 50 CENT AND YOUR DUMBASS COMES IN WITH KANYE SONG?..
A A you act like they both didn’t use that line 💀
50 cent said it first.@@albertedmond9134
'HOW QUICKLY THEY FORGET'... there are so many people who either forget or don't know due to their age just how MASSIVE and dominant 50 Cent was. Came out the gate with a classic in 'GRODT', followed it up with a SMASH in 'The Massacre'. LEGEND. There has NEVER been an artist outside of MAYBE Drake to have such a buzz around their debut and then not only deliver but SURPASS expectations
Exactly. 50 and by extension G-unit were monsters during that period. Their influence spanned across all media. They even had video games! Lol
Nah not at this moment he was starting to fall off Joe said it how music change every 5 years 50 couldn't adapt that's why he fell off.
Darrel Be U JUST EXPLAINED KENDRICK LAMAR TBH
Darrel Be bro .... Dmx first two albums???? Way better than 50
50 was always overrated to me, I always liked Banks more
The day Kanye West killed Gangster Rap, or at least made it more niche. Besides maybe ScHoolboy Q and Kendrick Lamar, most of the popular rappers today aren't super hood. Kanye really opened the door for people like Big Sean, Drake, J. Cole, Childish Gambino, Logic, Wale, and Chance The Rapper. Even Ak's man Vic Mensa once said that Kanye choked the lane on Gangster Rap.
thank god, all of the artists you named are great.
Man U speaking Facts hip-hop haven’t been the same since
I don't think Kendrick would have prospered as much as much as he would have had there not been a Kanye in the mainstream
Kendrick I’m not a gangster rapper. Not even close
Or super hood
Graduation is a classic as well.
Most Definitely
Kanye's Graduation is an album that can appeal to a bigger audience than 50's & he had timeless classics on there like Can't Tell Me Nothing, Flashing Lights, Big Brother, Good Life just to name a few whatever Label influence may have been involved behind the scenes that album is still better
babatunde oluwafemi yeah it's a classic. Curtis is just trash.
STRONGER
Jimmy R curtis is just trash stfu
babatunde oluwafemi that's true kanye won a Grammy for good life
For a gangsta rapper tho 50 had some hits hybrid pop/rap that had legs, amusement/ayo/I get money Kanye better album but Curtis was nice just not standard 50s 1st new albums and power of dollar
"I KNOW IM THE MOST INFLUENTIAL THAT TIMES COVER WAS JUST CONFIRMATION THIS GENERATIONS CLOSEST THING TO EINSTEIN DONT WORRY ABOUT ME IM FINE I CAN SEE A THOUSAND YEARS FROM NOW IN REAL LIFE SKATE ON A PARADIGM AND SHIFT IT WHEN I FEEL LIKE"- Yeezus
well done you quoted a lyric
Random Genius lol when they say 50 raps better than Ye. That's crazy
Actually if you listen to Jay z he praises Kanyes ability to rap and you can find videos of Kanye freestyling online
Foolish Wayz Em and Dre wrote half of GRODT. Your argument is null.
Kanye never had a ghost writer. He's had help with one liners here and there and he's admitted to it shamelessly. He always used to rap about writer's block before due to all the stress and dramas in his life. But left to his own devices Kanye can write circles around most rappers in the game. Him choosing to get help from other artists is more of a luxury for him than a need.
Lol people think 50 was arrogant but now we got Kanye
Daniel Naranjo Facts
50 never dropped SKI dummies
Christopher Mulvey He needs to omm
Christopher Mulvey he's supposedly dropping it 4th quarter this year.
it had some good joints
It got us through the ringtone rap era
Me > every rapper
Carter 5 coming soon!!!
Jag Singh carter 5 coming soon!!!
Tunechi! Hahahah,nigga u everywhere
50 > YOU
I know Nothing L your name says it all🤷🏽♂️
Ayo Technology was one of the BIGGEST records of 2007.
Chris Hense so was Stronger and can't tell me nothing
Cee Hense That song was Ass
@@superdupeninja8149 *in your opinion
Kanye won the first week sales in the US. However, 50 outsold Ye world wide in fw sales. Which was also the reason why 50 did not retire, like he said he would, if he lost the battle.
Great moment for hip hop nonetheless! 🙌🏾🤴🏾🤴🏾
OMAR NOIR but that's the thing. 50 betted on first week sales, lost then try to change the narrative
I'm talking about first week sales on a world wide scale. Not only the US. Big move in Hip Hop nonetheless and both artists influenced me (as a person and artist) a lot.
Maybe I'm wrong, but if I remember it right, 50 only said that the second time when he lost for '808 & Heartbreak'
that's not true at all. 50 may have outsold graduation's FIRST WEEK sales worldwide total, but graduation's TOTAL sales are way more bruh.
Ahh yes, the 50 vs Kanye "beef". When Kanye moved up his album release to the same day as 50's Curtis. This was amazing at the time, 50 was leading the "bling bling/gangsta rap" movement, while Kanye was pushing the "conscious rap" movement (This was Kanye at his prime for those that don't know.) It ended the "Gangsta rap" in mainstream hiphop forever. Thus began the "Jerking" movement which lasted like a year, then came the trap and then the shit we have now (I may be wrong.) But yeah, this competition between these two was legendary.
Six Billion yup pretty much. And now everyone missed gangsta rap and such and wishes for those days back instead of the mainstream shit we have now lol.
Joe look like kill moves from everybody hates chris
Robbie Jay nigga dressed like the mad rapper😆 ima tell why im mad yo!
937dboy hold on u can't ask me why I'm mad lol
937dboy I'm on my 4th albummm and I ain't sold shit yet
Regardless of whether or not 50 outsold Ye the change of guard in hip hop and the industry period was reaching a boiling point. This was going to happen with or without this matchup. Hip hop NEEDED it too in order to evolve and become the dominate genre it is today. Artist like Missy, Ye, Lauryn, Pharrell, Outkast etc etc had already laid the groundwork for that shift. Jay-Z was ahead of the curve on that front. Already had work with Pharrell, Ye and others causing the shift. 'Retired' and poised to come back to rap as a breath of fresh air to the public due to all the monotony goin on in music
Darrel Be Only it didn't evolve.
If you think Hip Hop evolved you buggin
Not true lol you’re just wrong
Darrel Be Hip Hop is still strong don't get wrong, I hate this era (Tripple Snare/Mumble Rap )but Unlike some of these idiots that know nothing about hip hop history I am thankful Atlanta kept it breathing and existing.
Darrel Be NAS AND EMINEM FOR DIFFERENT REASON MADE THIER MARK
How Joe gonna act like chingy wasn't his main competition lolol
Jeremy Kimble DAMN!!
Jeremy Kimble Right thurr was #1on 106 for mad weeks
jam11617 cf
Jeremy Kimble 2003 😂😂😂😂 chingy had a run
OH SHIT...LMBAO.
50 Cent was the biggest sensation in rap history.
I would say one of them but not the biggest
ya boy bill run dmc
Hell yea
Nope that goes to Eminem And Kanye West
I love the topics y'all come up with cuz me and my cousin always going back and forth bout most of them
The reason kanye won is because graduation was a hit especially amongst white people and compared to 50 kanye was a much more brand friendly black guy at the time. He performed stronger at the super bowl for christ's sake.
I disagree, and majority of 50 cent's fans are white too, especially since he's close with Eminem. Kanye has more substance than 50 cent does, and he's more diverse. He also had a bigger impact on the genre than him, and even a bigger impact than Jay-Z.
When tf did he do the superbowl
50 lost because of his personality. Problems with Interscope over The Game beef lead to 50 making comments towards Jimmy Iovine & Dr. Dre. Fans started to hate 50 because he was beefing with "EVERYONE." He seemed like a bully in the Kanye West situation.
@@Kilamanjaro009 Majority of every rappers fanbase is white since 90's
50 v Kanye was really monumental, and showed how there was gonna be a big change in where hip hop was going. Gangsta rap was no longer the cool after that, and Kanye managed to connect more to fans. Grad had better singles connected than 50's. He only had I Get Money & Ayo Technology, while Kanye had Stronger, Good Life and Can't Tell Me Nothing which connected way more
As someone born in 1990 I really enjoyed this, these conversations definitely happened in high school computers labs across the country
I remember this. 50 Cent is who made people really start looking at album sale numbers. Then years later the challenged to Kanye on "album sales" happened and 50 lost convincingly. It would've been worse had 50 not dropped "I Get Money"
It helped one and hurt one. Even now, Kanye music still garners attention and 50 cents? Not so much
Dame i always said he shouldve drop that single first..instead of straight 2 the bank and amusement park..but later he said it was the label idea..but lets be real.50 had haters so people intentionally bought 4-5 albums instead of 1 just 2 see him lose..you can go back on interviews and watch Fat Joe say he was gone buy 20 albums lol
It's a shame....50's music is better than Kanye's.
Chris Hense dead
ALL publicity Is good publictity I can tell you three albums better that he made The College Dropout, Late Registration, and MBDTF
+Chris Hense you mad Kanye makes timeless music classic hip hop shit and creative mainstream music more diverse artist.
This something that isnt talked about enough this was an iconic moment for hip hop
Joe is right, we really gonna act like labels don't buy albums? Kanye dropped an amazing album, better than Curtis by todays standards, but back then Kanye was only going to win in his dreams. However Joe is right again, when he says 50 Cent's arrogance was his ultimate downfall. This man wasn't just bullying and beefing with every rapper in the game, he was openly insulting Jimmy Iovine and was just overall so polarizing that a lot of people wanted him to lose.
This episode seems to feature Ak as a confused adolescent teen coming into adulthood seeking advice from Old Man Joe, who clearly made sense but was to blunt for blur Ak to fathom. Ak went home that night confused as ever.
Zaki Zainudin that was Everyday Struggle in a nutshell
no he didn’t man
50 had two of the greatest back to back records ever.
50's hype and BUZZ is still unmatched in 2017. It's not even close
I remember going to Target to pick up both of these albums. I remember listening to Graduation and thinking; Holy Shit!! This is a good LP not as good as Late Registration, but a great follow up none the less. I remember listening to Curtis and I just thought to myself that 50 didn't have anything else to talk about. 50 was done. A lot of people credit 2005 for a game changer in Hip-Hop, but fail to realize that this matchup led the way for guys like Future, Drake, and Kid Cudi to rise to prominence.
Im usually rocking with Joe but Ak was on point with the perception. Ayo Technology and those other songs weren't popping like Cant Tell Me Nothing and Stronger. However, I believe Joe that 50 was set up. Eminem was out of the loop because Proof died so 50 didnt have Em to back him up. If Em was on his game, 50 wouldve had the muscle. But lo and behold......
lmao 50 always had to rely on Eminem and his presence...talk about struggle
Joe was so proud listening to Akademiks break down the Kanye vs 50 era lmaoo
50 Cent sold more. World Music Awards, Curtis won world's best selling rap album. Period.
Kanye has sold more than 150 million records worldwide making him one of the highest selling artist, has 21 grammys, the modern hiphop(even mainstream) is wgat it is because of him. I can flex about kanye too
ChemicalXII yea 50 didn’t even get awards for grodt or massacre, joe has a point and 50 saw the writing on the wall
In global sales Curtis was 25 best selling album of that year, Graduation was 17
Graduation is a better album
Good convo guys finally
I respect Joe Budden's knowledge here...and sidebar...TI v TIP came out too...AND WAS DOPE...the TI got caught up w the guns out of nowhere
50 changed the 2000s Ye changed the 2010s
Ye changed the 2000s too
50 vs kanye was creativity vs gangsta rap creativity won
now its the GAYcentric takeova
mansa musa lol nah
Jorge Dumas
Still creativity and the gaycentric was the 80s and gangsta rap considering niggas was dress8ng fruity asl in the 80s and mfs was saying the gayest shit on wax
Joe lookin like spongebob when he got the suds
worldwide 50 sold more..
Benny Bos 50 has always been the bigger artist here overseas
Who cares? US consumers shape hip hop culture
@@superdupeninja8149
Exactly.
No he didn’t.... do ur research
@@seancarter7954 he did tho
FINALLY SOMEONE IS HAVING THIS CONVERSATION. IT REALLY FUCKING DID.
Joe spitting facts about 50
"Straight To The Bank" & "I get money" released June 29 & 30th, 2007 respectively and then "Ayo Technology" 8/31/2007. Then rounded it off on 12/31/2007 with "I'll Still Kill".....Akademiks just talks to talk. I hated 50 at that time but I get money was a banger in the clubs!!
Definitely made some good points. Never thought of this on a larger scale and how it effected the game. New perspective but i feel like it doesn't hold that much weight.
Akademiks has a shallow view on these topics cause his experience is like ours meanwhile Joe was back stage with everything/everyone
Joe Budden is right when he said "[50 cent] started telling us about it in album titles" ..."Before I self destruct" lol hahaha
All of the songs that ak is saying "didn't connect" definitely did. 50 and Kanye were the most talked about artists around that time and that conversation lasted for so long. Stop discrediting artists just for the argument. Joe is right for once. This was a business scheme that went great for Universal. 50 and Kanye sold this feud so well that it sold out seats in their fanbase.
Billboardguy1 I agree that some of the songs didn't hit so high but no other acts were being acknowledged as hard as 50 and Kanye were collectively. I agree that this all was a scheme to get higher sales and that's what they achieved doing. Their goals were met regardless of how well songs did in anyone's opinion.
Graduation was still better
This is the very one time joe almost said everything perfect .. that ayo technology shit was just something to put on the radio
These are topics I like to hear Joe talk about, because he was there in the mix.
prettyflyforahentai No, our experience is different since we aren't artist.
Joe is 💯 percent right here
Very, very interesting, especially joe buddens argument. Would love to see more of this debate around this discussion.
I must say they talk about things in music that my homies and I talk about in crib smoking! Covering all subjects. I be surprised about the subjects they cover
I remember that moment like it was yesterday September 11 2007
Smoking mirrors was the best way to put it what's going in and what's people think is happening
Shit was Hella hype. 50 needed that
exxcellent discussion
Joe budden 👀looking at ak like he’s starting to fall in love with akademiks
For the 1st time i agree with Joe the music industry didn't want 50cent Type of artist coz 50cent wasn't going to play nice & dj akademiks wrong coz ayo technology worked & I also feel it was a set up coz they had jay z on 106park with kanye yet it was said that neither Eminem nor jay was supposed to be there but some how jay showed up
“ You want me to laptop it “
“ Yeah you can definitely laptop it “
Joe right about some stuff and actually taught me some shit but i remember everyone at least around me saying 50 wasn't bout to win that shit
joe is on to something
I don't see why ppl say 50 fell off. He makes the same exact music. That just tells me most music fans just go with the wave cause he was hot and never really listened to his music. I still bump 50 till this day. Plus he brought us Top 5 DOA: Banks. (If you dont listen to their music, how can you argue not?)
50 fell off musically as did Ja before him yeah.
Can I get a fifty vs ye collab called America's most hated?
I'drathereatcrumbswithbums ooouuu
(Beavis n Butthead voice)
Dj Akademiks had a moment.
Lmfao
HOLY shit ill still kill that song was fucking IS fucking flames. One of the best street songs fif ever put out.
50's beefs with Cam, Game and the LOX didn't help around this time either. His core was somewhat divided too which may have impacted his sales.
I still listen to 50.
What's BDS?
After that feud hip-hop was never the same again. That feud was sort of 50 cent end of power in music and the style of Artist like Kanye West leaped , that’s why you don’t have just gangsta rap selling like it use to . It opened doors for artist like Kid Cudi , Drake , Wiz, Etc,Etc
Red looks good on Nadeska! 😍
Hearing ak make his opinions cause my head to hurt
I think the whole thing was a transition to the new phase of rap music. It was a confirmation that the sound changed and gangsta rap had appealed to a smaller audience. Not quite a conspiracy against 50 to bring about his demise.
But think about it. You're the label heads and your top artists is arrogant and disrespectful to you. You have a budding artist who is ALSO on your label. What do you have to lose in making this match-up and creating this fake "beef"? As the label you can ensure victory of one artist by supporting his album while giving a lackadaisical effort to the other one.
Marcus Douglas Good point it kind of showed that hip-hop is changed and gangtas rap is not appealing anymore 50 I give 50 credit he tried with the Ayo Technology song he trys to be diverse musically
saxking101 do you really believe they didn't support the album? It wasn't bad or definitely not poorly promoted. It was not fitting to the time period. 50 was probably arrogant and his label threw him to the wolves. But he wasn't ill equipped to succeed, there was and still is a lack of evolution in his sound
LMFAO 'We didn't know a Drake was coming'
Curtis is dope looking back
50's arrogance > kanye's arrogance
Budden confidence makes his argument seem stronger but it's definitely not.
"Ayo tech" and "Stronger" both produced by Timberland
I will never forget that!! Kanye took that big time, I fw both of em still
SUMMER TIME.. O7 Best Times 😴💜
Akademiks is used to artist nowadays not needing the "push" from labels so he doesn't understand the influence they (the labels) once had on the publics perception. Joe speaking facts on this one..
Anyone else watching this because they miss everyday struggle
not to mention 50 cent said he was pissed that kanye didnt fight back and this was a set up as well
50s album got leaked so it had to be pushed back 50s album was suppose to come out in June but due to the leak they pushed it back to September
50 cent was the shit But Graduation was so dope it blew Curtis out of the water. Senior year of HS and that album was monumental
Universal loved this battle lol
Graduation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Curtis
Anthony Edwards graduation is amazing but I prefer Curtis just my opinion
I feel like Everyday Struggle is really reaching for topics these days. Which is ironic because DJ Akademiks is still hitting up the most recent stories every hour on the hour.
Joe budden on the money with this one about 50 cent and the music.💯💯💵💵
I love the way Joe sits there, amused, and clearly finding everything Ak says to be utter nonsense
50 made kanye and most rap heads dont even know that. when i saw 50 challenge kanye i said no way hell win in sales. but people hated 50 for being cocky and kanye did. also that was kanye best album ever so everyone started fucking with him. he became a household name and he owes a lot of that to 50
Cassie Lowe in good life he shout outs 50 lol. But regardless there wasn't any beef between then anyway. I'm pretty sure kanye appreciate 50 (at the time before his mom dided and he started becoming the arrogant ass he is today. Like he's worse than how 50 was)
Your right that was Kanye best album
the wheels on the range go chop chop chop
Let's not forget that Wayne in 2007 was scorching hot in the streets. And Universal was ready to make Wayne the golden child of the label. After the Ye and 50 face off, Wayne took over for 3 summers
No he didn't. Kanye was the bigger artist around the world then Wayne.
If 50 won that match up against Kanye I feel we wouldn't have mumble rap now.From arrogant 50 to a calm and cool Kanye and then from Kanye to this VERY COOL Drake then to now the VERY VERY cool yatchy , uzi etc...If 50 dominated more then we probably wouldn't have mumble rap now.
suhail1200 kendrick and drake dominating now
K dot won best rap album at the grammys
suhail1200 eh not really. Eventually the sound would change regardless of 50 and Kanye. Someone would try to do what kanye did and the music that's happening now would eventually come to be. It would just happen later instead of when it when it did in the present time
Maybe not, but people would still be complaining about hip hop being too materialistic, glossy and thugged-out.
So youre saying Kanye who mind you used autotune before his first album and sang on his first album will just stick to making the same shit only cuz of record sales ?!?
Anyone who disagrees with Joe honestly doesn't really know their hip-hop
50 didn't drop Street king immortal number 1...number 2 everyone always skips to before I self destruct and animal ambition and gloss over projects like "War Angel LP" or "The Big 10", which were both dope 50 projects after "Curtis"! Yes I realize 50 put them out as "mixtapes", but they were basically albums. They were all original full bodies of work
Right BISD is better than curtis
Such underrated album
I said this same exact thing.thats crazy
Everyone is gonna soon talk about how the weekend and the xx changed indie/hip-hop
ayo worked
i still kill worked
dat mary j record worked
I remember this. I remember both songs that each guy was releasing and I thought it was obvious that Kanye was going to win.
50 first single for curtis was that "Amusement Park" shit that was basically "Candy shop" all over again. Next was "straight to the bank" didn't perform well as just wasnt really good. "I get money" was huge but the remix really juiced it. "Ayo technology" was the last single b4 the album dropped and was just ok. Kanye had only 2 singles "Cant Tell Me nothing" (and the remix wit Jeezy on it) and "Stronger" and did his numbers. 50 didnt have a record nowhere near as big as "Stronger". Furthermore Joe trippin if he think 50 didnt mastermind the whole "competition". Beef/competition was part of his marketing strategy his whole career. Everything he did was geared around bullying or tryna make someone else look inferior to push himself up and sell his records. Ja Rule for GRODT Fat Joe The Lox for Massacre Kanye for Curtis Rick Ross BISD