The only effects that were used in this recording was compressor and limiter to increase the volume. Otherwise, the sound is the natural and unequalized sound of the Oud from my Zoom Handy Recorder. I'll probably do a follow up video to discuss this, but hearing these two Ouds digitally recorded is a completely different experience from playing these two Ouds in person. My teacher Hossein Behroozinia said that some Ouds actually sound better in the studio than when playing it live and vice versa. For example, the Miras Lute Oud sounds less robust in this recording, and it feels and sounds more robust in person. It's the loudest Oud I have. However, the Zeryab Oud sounds really good in this recording, but it lacks depth playing it in person. Fascinating.
I don't know why I prefer the cheap oud 1 which sounds more natural or "humane" while the expensive oud 2 has longer delay and more clarity it's like it has a built-in sound processing inside.
Zeryabs seem to have really distinctive sounding nylon strings, especially g, so with that alone it was clear that 1 was the Zeryab. Sounded really nice though, not too far off from the more expensive one.
I definitely can tell the difference, the Oud 1 sounds a bit buzzier compared to the Oud 2 which sounds really clean and I guessed correctly, although the difference is not super significant for my noob ear, not like 2500 $ difference I think hahaha. The difference is not as big as my two Ouds one is 60$ Oud, which sounds horrible , and 250$ Egyptian Oud which sounds decent for my ear. Btw, I somehow still admire the Miraslute Oud, it looks has quite glossy finish yet it still sounds very good and resonant, really awesome 👌
I prefer the richness and depth of #1, although there's less clarity to the pitch. #2 has a much cleaner sound, but it's missing some of the resonances.
I wish more could be done to make it possible for people to buy directly from master oud makers in the middle east instead of going through online stores who mark up the price of ouds quite a lot compared to what you would pay if you bought the oud directly from the maker. There is an oud maker in Syria named Sabsaby who I want to buy from but I am worried that US sanctions on Syria will prevent him from shipping it to me in the US. There also Faruk Türünz, a master oud maker in Turkey who I want to buy from if I get enough money.
Yes, I feel this pain. It's a challenging business indeed for Oud builders. They are artists and craftsman and have to spend a lot of time running their business themselves. When shipping internationally the price automatically goes up too because their are costs and risks in shipping.
Would like to hear more recordings but it was obvious to me that oud 2 was significantly brighter and more projecting, a bit more 'expensive' sounding. It don't necessarily mean 'better' as tone is in the ear of the beholder of course. I only have a cheap oud and your videos help me a lot man, thanks.
I'm not sure. Different makers definitely have their preferences. Older ouds tended to have slightly more narrow width at the nut than ouds made nowadays. There probably is a standard I've never paid much attention to it.
@OudforGuitarists .. nice vid job..do you own one or both..? i do not hear but a small difference .. so small like strings.. different small.. other commi say similarly.. maybe like.. but how he matched wood on those ribs.. i was looking at the oudtar by Thierry.. in my opinion it is a roundback guitar because of bridge placement..but to move it down to the oud or lute spot will make long low sound string
Just out of curiousity, how much is your third Oud cost? (the one with the ebony or wenge bowl - sorry, I don't actually know exactly what type of wood it's made up of, but I guessed by the colour.. Am I correct?!)
There are a lot of differences, but they do not necessarily translate into a price difference. As to the sound it would be better not to use compressors, because they act also as equalizers on the transiente. If you want to compare sound, my advice would be to record with absolutely no processing whatsoever - at the same volume, so that the power of the oud also could be assessed. Thanks for your work, though...
@@OudforGuitarists .. nice vid job..do you own one or both..? i do not hear but a small difference .. so small like strings.. different small.. other commi say similarly.. maybe like.. but how he matched wood on those ribs.. i was looking at the oudtar by Thierry.. in my opinion it is a roundback guitar because of bridge placement..but to move it down to the oud or lute spot will make long low sound string
@@OudforGuitarists I looking for rib pattern Rib measurement For an oudtar Or an oud or a lute Oudtar is smaller(width length depth volume ) (Teardrop or eye or watermelon or oval) (Bowl or body) But are two of them.. Oud volume is bigger.. An Oud lute pattern i could modify.. Sorry the bother
Oud 2 seemed more refined with less upper harshness, as a total beginner though... it would take me a while to reach a level where I could make Oud 2 sound good enough to justify the the price haha
Exacltly 2 is 3000 not the sound too much difference as 2500 dolars but the feeling is softer than 1st as much expense means for a little difference which gives too much higher feelings is about the man made it harder work and trees get more attention to ready so it needs to got a good player thats all to see the difference
Can someone please tell me whether the ouds on his page are suitable for Turkish and Greek traditional music too? Meaning turkish tuning. In other words, The Arabic ouds are similar to the turkish? If not, what are the differences? Can they support the turkish tuning just as well? If anyone can answer me, it would be more than valuable because I'm looking for an oud to play Greek music(the good old music of the Minor Asia, before the Greek genocide happened there at the beginning of the 20th century)
Hi, Any Oud that is 58.5 cm string length should be able to withstand Turkish tuning/Greek tuning provided you put a string set on for that tuning. Please check the measurements on the page.
@@OudforGuitarists So an arabic oud of 58.5 string length can serve fine the greek and turkish music, right? If its more than 58.5 length, it will probably not be able to sustain the turkish tuning because this tuning has more tension?
@@felicegreece That is correct. However, I would recommend an Oud made in Turkey that is 58.5 cm string length because the sound of Turkish ouds is likely to match the old Greek repertoire better. If you email me and tell me your budget I can recommend some ouds that are not listed on my site. I don't list all the ouds I sell on that page because too many options turn buyers away. My email is support@oudforguitarists.com
Oud 1 has a beautiful voice, but has (what sounds like) interference between the string and the fretboard. Oud 2 is very crisp and sounds great, but it lacks the depth of voice in Oud 1. I must add though, you're playing makes them both sound like $5000 Ouds 🙂
I play (long time ago) Oud finger pick.. "Try it" i need my frets A guitar can imitate (Fairly) oud.. The reverse no.. Oud can imitate (Poorly) guitar Lute is another story..
I can get the same tone out of a 300 dollar epiphone than a 3k dollar gibson. At least for one songe. After that it gets tiresome. playability is vastly diffrent. Easy playability allows you to create music on a higher level..
The only effects that were used in this recording was compressor and limiter to increase the volume. Otherwise, the sound is the natural and unequalized sound of the Oud from my Zoom Handy Recorder.
I'll probably do a follow up video to discuss this, but hearing these two Ouds digitally recorded is a completely different experience from playing these two Ouds in person. My teacher Hossein Behroozinia said that some Ouds actually sound better in the studio than when playing it live and vice versa. For example, the Miras Lute Oud sounds less robust in this recording, and it feels and sounds more robust in person. It's the loudest Oud I have. However, the Zeryab Oud sounds really good in this recording, but it lacks depth playing it in person. Fascinating.
The player first, the instrument second, someone playing like you tends to always sound good! Nice video.
The second oud is much clearer and warmer than the first, the first one also sorta has a spike in the notes.
That's an accurate description.
I don't know why I prefer the cheap oud 1 which sounds more natural or "humane" while the expensive oud 2 has longer delay and more clarity it's like it has a built-in sound processing inside.
Indeed, Oud number one is very "down to earth" you could say. I think you're right on.
Absolutely gorgeous instruments!
Awesome stuff, I love these instruments! Both of them sounded great to me, although I am by no means an Oud expert... Thanks for sharing!
where to buy nr 1❤️❤️
Zeryabs seem to have really distinctive sounding nylon strings, especially g, so with that alone it was clear that 1 was the Zeryab. Sounded really nice though, not too far off from the more expensive one.
Good observation.
I definitely can tell the difference, the Oud 1 sounds a bit buzzier compared to the Oud 2 which sounds really clean and I guessed correctly, although the difference is not super significant for my noob ear, not like 2500 $ difference I think hahaha.
The difference is not as big as my two Ouds one is 60$ Oud, which sounds horrible , and 250$ Egyptian Oud which sounds decent for my ear.
Btw, I somehow still admire the Miraslute Oud, it looks has quite glossy finish yet it still sounds very good and resonant, really awesome 👌
Thanks for commenting.
Would like to buy one in Turkey this April during my visit
I prefer the richness and depth of #1, although there's less clarity to the pitch. #2 has a much cleaner sound, but it's missing some of the resonances.
Thanks for commenting
HI bro, how do you record oud music when playing? Do you have any video tutorials on that? The mic, other tools. etc.? Thanks
They both sound good to me.
The second has a fuller sound and has more resonance
Thanks for your comment
Where exactly do i buy the cheaper oud?
Hi , Navid how are you ? Very good difference sounds these Ouds. I have a Nahat Oud made by Elie Nahat of 1923.
Nice.
Any one got a lead on where to buy one in Vancouver, BC, Canada?
I wish more could be done to make it possible for people to buy directly from master oud makers in the middle east instead of going through online stores who mark up the price of ouds quite a lot compared to what you would pay if you bought the oud directly from the maker. There is an oud maker in Syria named Sabsaby who I want to buy from but I am worried that US sanctions on Syria will prevent him from shipping it to me in the US. There also Faruk Türünz, a master oud maker in Turkey who I want to buy from if I get enough money.
Yes, I feel this pain. It's a challenging business indeed for Oud builders. They are artists and craftsman and have to spend a lot of time running their business themselves. When shipping internationally the price automatically goes up too because their are costs and risks in shipping.
I did contact Faruk and try to order one but they were too busy with orders and said they were only making custom.
@@robertbecker3595 Thanks for that info, his website is under construction so I had no way of knowing what the current status is for ordering ouds.
I actually like the slight buzz on ouds. I don’t know why, but it has more of a raw sound.
That's all good. Everyone has their taste. Which one has more buzz to your ear?
@@OudforGuitarists oud 1 for sure the oud 2 is way cleaner and better for recording I think
How do you tune it in
the first one has more appropriate sound for Arabic , Syrian and second one is an all rounder
Would like to hear more recordings but it was obvious to me that oud 2 was significantly brighter and more projecting, a bit more 'expensive' sounding. It don't necessarily mean 'better' as tone is in the ear of the beholder of course.
I only have a cheap oud and your videos help me a lot man, thanks.
Glad to help.
Do ouds have standard sizes like scale length neck width and width of the bowellled part?
I'm not sure. Different makers definitely have their preferences. Older ouds tended to have slightly more narrow width at the nut than ouds made nowadays. There probably is a standard I've never paid much attention to it.
@OudforGuitarists ..
nice vid job..do you own one or both..?
i do not hear but a small difference ..
so small like strings..
different small.. other commi say similarly..
maybe like.. but how he matched wood on those ribs.. i was looking at the oudtar
by Thierry.. in my opinion it is a roundback guitar
because of bridge placement..but
to move it down to
the oud or lute spot
will make long low sound string
Yes, I own both. I might try another comparison video with no compressor and see how it turn out.
On a lute, soundboard should not be varnished I think. More natural sound on oud 1.
I prefer unfinished soundboards too. The Zeryab also has a light finish.
What is the name of music please
Samai Hijazkar by Ahmed Kalai
Nice tune. What is it?
Samai hijazkar by Ahmed Kalai
An amazing old second one
Very good idea this comparison. Although you should tell us about the string lenght and the string brand of each oud. Thank you.
I talk about the Ouds after the comparison. Watch the whole thing. I don't think I mentioned the string length, they are both 58.5 cm.
The strings sounded slack and buzzed a little on oud 1 so I thought it the cheaper one.
Well, you are correct.
How do you change strings on the Miras lute? As the strings end by the bridge seems to be inside the oud
You just tie a knot at the end and the knot is the anchor.
nice video, what is the name of the samai you played ?
Samai Hijaz Kar by Ahmad Kalai
@@OudforGuitarists thank you ! He is Tunisian like myself as well :)
Fascinating
Indeed.
also could move bridge up.. i wonder.. Should say down
Midrange of 1st oud more better for me. But articulation in 2nd more focused. 🤷♂️
Agreed. At least when recorded; in person these two Ouds sound different.
The second one
Just out of curiousity, how much is your third Oud cost? (the one with the ebony or wenge bowl - sorry, I don't actually know exactly what type of wood it's made up of, but I guessed by the colour.. Am I correct?!)
That Oud costs $2500. Yes, it's wenge. :)
There are a lot of differences, but they do not necessarily translate into a price difference. As to the sound it would be better not to use compressors, because they act also as equalizers on the transiente. If you want to compare sound, my advice would be to record with absolutely no processing whatsoever - at the same volume, so that the power of the oud also could be assessed. Thanks for your work, though...
Yes, I agree. I learned that the hard way, lol.
Gorgeous
Thanks!
@@OudforGuitarists ..
nice vid job..do you own one or both..?
i do not hear but a small difference ..
so small like strings..
different small.. other commi say similarly..
maybe like.. but how he matched wood on those ribs.. i was looking at the oudtar
by Thierry.. in my opinion it is a roundback guitar
because of bridge placement..but
to move it down to
the oud or lute spot
will make long low sound string
@@aggabus I own both. Thierry's instruments are wild.
@@OudforGuitarists
wild yes that wild..
rare unique..the r.b.g.
round back guitar
is a must ..so to say
@@OudforGuitarists
I looking for
rib pattern
Rib measurement
For an oudtar
Or an oud or a lute
Oudtar is smaller(width length depth volume )
(Teardrop or eye or watermelon or oval)
(Bowl or body)
But are two of them..
Oud volume is bigger..
An Oud lute pattern
i could modify..
Sorry the bother
I could definitely tell the difference.
Oud 2 seemed more refined with less upper harshness, as a total beginner though... it would take me a while to reach a level where I could make Oud 2 sound good enough to justify the the price haha
It does have a refined sound, indeed.
Exacltly 2 is 3000 not the sound too much difference as 2500 dolars but the feeling is softer than 1st as much expense means for a little difference which gives too much higher feelings is about the man made it harder work and trees get more attention to ready so it needs to got a good player thats all to see the difference
Oud 2 doesnt sound like 3.000ş 😒
It does, you could clearly tell like 3 seconds into the playing
Can someone please tell me whether the ouds on his page are suitable for Turkish and Greek traditional music too? Meaning turkish tuning. In other words, The Arabic ouds are similar to the turkish? If not, what are the differences? Can they support the turkish tuning just as well? If anyone can answer me, it would be more than valuable because I'm looking for an oud to play Greek music(the good old music of the Minor Asia, before the Greek genocide happened there at the beginning of the 20th century)
Hi,
Any Oud that is 58.5 cm string length should be able to withstand Turkish tuning/Greek tuning provided you put a string set on for that tuning. Please check the measurements on the page.
@@OudforGuitarists So an arabic oud of 58.5 string length can serve fine the greek and turkish music, right? If its more than 58.5 length, it will probably not be able to sustain the turkish tuning because this tuning has more tension?
@@felicegreece That is correct. However, I would recommend an Oud made in Turkey that is 58.5 cm string length because the sound of Turkish ouds is likely to match the old Greek repertoire better. If you email me and tell me your budget I can recommend some ouds that are not listed on my site. I don't list all the ouds I sell on that page because too many options turn buyers away. My email is support@oudforguitarists.com
2nd one have more sustain and more harmonics
Zeryab sounded great in the recording...
Yeah I think it worked well.
Your playing is like dueling swords
Thanks
Oud 1 has a beautiful voice, but has (what sounds like) interference between the string and the fretboard. Oud 2 is very crisp and sounds great, but it lacks the depth of voice in Oud 1. I must add though, you're playing makes them both sound like $5000 Ouds 🙂
2 is the yeldrem 3000$ I think and one is the 500
Not yeldrim I meant the 3000
This oud is Miras lute by Sala Muzik, not Yildirim.
Me over here with my 200 dollar Oud.
Right on!
why or what..the word
oudforguitar.. the oud twang is unique excellent sweet ok fine
(lack ing word)
To borrow from guitar comparison comments: I can make the $3000 one sound like a $50 touristic oud with my bad playing
lol
I’d say the playing is worth a million bucks
Thanks Robert.
Oud 2 is the expensive one but sounds too turkish hence not so interesting for me... (personal opinion)
The number 2 is 3000$
Correct
Oud 2 3000$ you can tell from the sound. Oud 1 the below do and sol strings sound weak not true in tones.
I play (long time ago)
Oud finger pick..
"Try it" i need my frets
A guitar can imitate
(Fairly) oud.. The reverse no.. Oud can
imitate (Poorly) guitar
Lute is another story..
I liked Zeryab better)))
hehe :)
No 1 sounds better for me
I think this video proved that strings can only get you so far. lol
:)
oud 1 is better regardless of the money
Oud 1 =500
1 better
If it's from Sala Muzik, it's always good!
No
Both sound good in different ways don't they.
İf oud is expensive generally its worse
That's the first time I've heard that before. You'll need to explain. Do all cheap ouds sound good?
Arap udları çok kötü telleri 1 cm yukarıda tabi ki Türk udu güzel.
😂
I can get the same tone out of a 300 dollar epiphone than a 3k dollar gibson. At least for one songe. After that it gets tiresome. playability is vastly diffrent. Easy playability allows you to create music on a higher level..