i played SMT IV first and then ran back to persona 5 then 4 golden and then burned out on 3 P and then the lost child to tokyo mirage sesions back to the lost child to Iv apocalypse my descent to hell has been a gradual one.
The best description for SMT that I have ever heard is as follows. (I do not remember the source off the top of my head so forgive me for that. ) "Shin Megami Tensei is everything that the fundamentalists were afraid POKEMON was."
I was that fundamentalist once because I’m a just a lil child back then I’m really afraid of demons (because superstition) but then I grew older, I got into SMT after Persona introduced me to this franchise!
They were right about Pokemon though, it does have sanatic symbolism and playing it gives the subliminal effect of having an urge to start worshiping satan.
@@NIHIL_EGO Kadavra has a pentagram on his forehead, Pokemon evolve which contradicts creationism and the card game colorless energy has a kabbala symbol.
Nyarly: The best game to start with is... Me: Obviously IV, it's readily available on a easily accessible platform, it also has... N: Nocturne because it has a camera. Me: But IV is great at explaining the press-turn sys... N: Nocturn has a camera. Me: It being easy is great to avoid frustration. N: Nocturne. Has. A Camera.
As I understand the video, he specifically recommends it as a jumping-on point *for Persona fans,* who by virtue of having beaten some Persona games are seasoned players who he feels are ready for the challenge of Nocturne instead of needing an easier game to ease them in directly from some other JRPG series or even from having never played a JRPG before.
@aichakushi well megaten in general isn’t nonexistent on TH-cam but Oops! All Persona! the amount of mainline smt content would make you think *it’s* the sub series
not that related but but once i had a sudden urge to go to the bathroom while i was playing p3 fes so i turned off the TV (not the playstation) while i was at tartarus and without pausing the game; When i come back and turn on the TV i find myself and all the party members engaged in a battle with death and everyone but MC was dead. I was terrified (at that time i was an early player of smt's games)
I like how you picked the hardest games in the series and just went "idk why people think they're hard or anything". As someone who's only been into MegaTen for about over a year I never would have continued if I started with SJ. The additions in SJR don't make it too easy, take it from a noob.
Nocturne is actually not that hard. Coming from a guy who's first game was persona 3 psp version, on easy mode and went then into nocturne. It was a long playthrough, but i never felt like "this is impossible".
The number one thing I've taken away from these sort of "guides to get into a certain rpg series" videos is that if the person says "this game is a lil too easy", do not listen to them. Play the game and decide if it is too easy. Veterans' vision of difficulty gets shrouded with enough experience, and eventually they can't accurately tell newcomers shit.
Yeah, as much as I like Nyarly's content, his opinion on what's hard or not is... honestly, really detached from reality. Unlike Pros in other games that can separate their own skill making the games easy and give more of a neutral take, Nyarly seems either incapable of or doesn't really care. SMTIV for example, everyone out there will tell you to play it on easy if you are new because Normal is akin to Hard or Really Hard modes in other JRPG's. Game's even infamous for making new comers quite because of the difficulty. What does Nyarly says? "It's too forgiving and easy". Dude really needs to realize that 99.9% of the playerbase isn't a Pro Challenge runs SMT/Persona player.
Great video, I started with Persona 4 the Golden, then p3, then p5 and now I'm going through P2 IS, Nocturne and IV. It took me a looooong time to get into the series but I'm loving it.
Started off with p4 golden once i save up for a 3ds new 3ds going to get devil survivor overclock perfect way to start off smt games and the rest same with persona on ps3 vita and ps4
Unss you want the case just order it from gamestop it will save money but me I like having my cases for games and I just found out the other day its a hefty price for a CIB copy.
My first SMT that isn't persona is Devil Survivor Overclocked and boy that game has a LOT of grinding. I chose the Haru ending and I gave up near after I chose it because the amount of grinding was too much. Fighting the same demons over and over again to get to an alright level to go to the final part of the game. I'll be trying SMT IV and then maybe Apocalypse. I usually don't mind grinding but the grinding in Devil Survivor Overclocked was terrible for me. My favourite series so far is Fire Emblem, Yokai Watch, and Persona but I hope to fall in love with SMT as well
As someone who’s disappointed with Pokémon’s current direction I can’t believe I never looked into this series sooner I’m definitely going to play IV to hold me off until the remaster of III is released
It's fantastic. As someone who doesn't care about the competitive aspect in Pokemon this is absolutely my favorite monster catching series. Recent Digimon has also been really good, and the dragon quest monsters games are a lot of fun. But SMT is just the definitive monster catching series to me. Pokemon has gone all the way to the bottom for me at this point sadly.
That's actually what happened to me as well. I've been a Pokémon fan since 2014 but soon it got old for me. This is why I started Megaten, precisely with Persona 4 Golden as I found out it got released on Steam. I'm playing it at the same time as P3FES, on a PS2 emulator. I also found out that the games are a part of Shin Megami Tensei as they have it in their titles. Both are very good and enjoyable games with colorful casts of characters, complex battle system and lots of things to do besides just catching monsters.
As one who started with Persona 3, then went to SMT Nocturne; it was a mildly rocky but fun transition. I will say that Devil Survivor's first boss made me furious, and had me drop the game due to not farming properly. As for Strange Journey, its a grand point to start, as the curve is very smooth, but quite impactful and game is still hard.
@@etheldread7646 Funny enough I beat those first try the wendigo tho smack me five times before I grinded hell he one of my most though bosses whenever someone mentions mts I just think wendigo
>Shin Megami Tensei: A place where there is no right or wrong reason/alignment >Entire fanbase demonizes and dehumanizes the law route without looking at the bigger picture I'm starting to think there's a bit of a bias here...
@@Drdirtydee In other words, Chaos = The Weak become slaves to the Powerful Law = Everyone becomes slaves to Daddy YHVH Neutral = You're still fucked, but just not for now
It’s weird knowing that just one year ago, the only RPG I’d beaten was Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars. Now I’ve played the entire persona series including most of their spin-off games, and SMT III and IV. Despite this I’m not even close to playing them all, which is pretty exciting in itself
Something that surprised me about this series is the fact that the demons/personas look the same game to game for the most part. I played Persona 5 first knowing full well it was a sister franchise to SMT and one thought I had was “I wonder how many redesigns these personas had over the years”. Then I played Noctern and immediately was I surprised that everyone like Daesoujou and Matador and even Pixie were all the same. I figured that they all go through iterations in design.
SMT IV/Apocalypse redesigned a lot of demons, but for whatever reason Persona doesn't have any of the IV redesigns. Guess the Persona team must really love Kaneko...can't blame em, Kaneko is great.
@@legendofsonic3979 Tbh some of the designs in SMT IV Apocalypse are really good, like Medusa has a fucking upgrade and is actually beautiful and demons like Mermaid and Danu look amazing. I'd say SMT IV Apocalypse had some of the best art of demons that were even carried over in SMT V.
I feel like one of the most important aspect you left out: pay close attention to your compendium, always registering and upgrading demons in case it gets stronger.
@@NIHIL_EGO at least persona 5 scramble is a worthy sequel to persona 5. I played the switch version demo it's amazing Atlus doesn't even pay me to shill so I'm genuinely excited for scramble Also one piece pirate warriors 4
Hey, Nyarly. I just wanted to say thanks for getting me into Shin Megami Tensei. I've gotten a hold of $ and Nocturne, as well as Persona 3 Fez and portable, along with and 4 Golden. I plan on getting my hands on other SMT games that you recommended. Again, thank you for getting me into the games!
@@yosha2467 tbh that makes it worse. Not only do you end up overleveled, you also end up being exhausted. You're lost and can't go like three steps without an enemy spawn
yeah the map is garbo but once you get to shibuya you get used to it. I 100% recommend smt iv as its not easy. As soon as the enemy gets a smirk your dead. also It teaches you how press turns work and how to deal with bosses and how to build your team against the bosses.
Oh my god. Thank you for this. So much. 🤣 I’ve been playing RPGs since ‘99, so I’m not new to the genre, but entirely new to this series. The number of spin-offs and such gives me a migraine. My plan is to stick to the basics and play the mainline series, see how I like it, and then branch out if I want. This helps straighten out pretty much all of my questions 🤘🏻👍🏻
I do have some other tips for other new smt fan: 1 in some cases, some demons are worth to keep for a long time, especially the one who doesnt have weakness or have several elemental strength (exp: black frost) and if you do want to do this, learn how to level down fusion and maximize the inherit skill benefit 2. For all the physical MC out there, DO YOUR MATH, Physical skill takes hp, some use a set of math to determine the skill cost, always assume the damage of your enemy is critical attack so when you do phys attack at least you can survive even if you miss the attack 3. High critical and multiple damage small attack (with the right buffs) going to be a game changer 4. For some reason a single hitting elemental spell can be a good thing to keep, and if you master the demon fusion you can make a demon with 4 different elemental attack (this might be hard early game, but can be attainable at mid game with quite a cost) 5. Have 1 demon who learn/know patra in any kind of party
My first SMT was smt 4... Now I remember hearing and watching it and thought maybe one day I could buy this game... and the rest is history. (Smt 4, Apocalypse, and currently Strange Journey Redux)
Hello, Nyarly! I hail the future! And because of this, I can simply say that, -The backlash for Pokémon SwSh was WAY crazier due to the National Dex removal -I have played SMT IV [it had the cover from Apocalypse and I was heavily disappointed :(], but it was thoroughly entertaining and I'm eagerly waiting for SMT V to come out! Also, weird fact, this video was released on my birthday, so.... Thanks a bunch! I watched a bunch of videos of yours and I'm thinking of subscribing. Watching playthroughs of Nocturne, SMT IV, and SMT IV Apocalypse and reading the wiki really got me intrigued in the series. So, yeah, overall, you're a cool guy and I wish you luck in your future endeavors! -Southpaw
Nyarly: "SMT 4 is too easy" SMT 4: *eats my ass repeatedly on the tutorial dungeon with 1-2 hit kill enemies that spawn everywhere and are nearly impossible to avoid* *Minotaur*
I'm literally playing it now and have to go back to the barracks for the 4 time, and I haven't been to floor 3 yet. Died once also. Seriously, how in gods name is 4 at all easy?
the minotaur is not difficult, but it makes you think and rethink what you are doing wrong am I using the right demons? which magic is more effective? am I at the right level? is a boss "final test"
I wish I had a guide like this. Legit my first SMT was when I was still in school and I bought a game called Digital Devil Saga on offer. Liking JRPGs and wanting to make the most out of each game purchase, as my family never gave me money for games, I picked it up and was just overwhelmed. I never had internet until college so I couldn’t just look up a walkthrough. Now I’m a big SMT fan and honestly I reckon it would have happened sooner had I not been put off for a good few years after getting confused by SMT: DDS Great vid and agree with the choices (except I’d say persona 4 is probably the easiest to start with instead of 3 for those with no experience)
Yeah i actually never finished persona 3 and can't find a save who leads to the beginning of the last dungeon. I really liked it but man, it was anxious as hell most of the time. Death was a big nope for me. I kinda hope they make a remake so i can try it.
Another thing about covering your weaknesses is that it costs the enemy additional turns. This can be really important if you're up against a group of enemies that hammers you with an elemental spell since not only will the enemy's attack be wasted, but one of the other enemies will lose their turn as well. On top of that, there are bosses who have multiple turns and nothing is as awesome as watching them cast a spell you're strong against and waste all their turns. This strategy can turn an Atlus Boss *cough*Matador*cough* into a breeze.
@@andr0zzsenpai Agreed. Even as someone who has played SMT Nocturne, I was stunned by how many times I had to head over to barracks to heal my team. This is not a game I would recommend to new players to the franchise bceuase of the really hard start. Which will most likely piss off potential players who want to play a fun game. I would actually recommend SMT IV Apocalypse because gameplay wise it's more player friendly then ask them to play SMT IV After SMT V release, I would recommend SMT V over SMT IV Apocalypse and IV.
I've never heard of this series until Persona 5 last year, and since playing that last year I've been on a journey to play as many entries as I can. I played every Persona, the SNES mainline games and Nocturne but don't know what to move on to next.
If you just played Nocturne I'd recommend playing Digital Devil Saga next since it plays mostly the same. That or Strange Journey for the DS(or 3ds if you want to buy Redux)
I only clicked on this video since I started these games about a year or two ago with Persona 3. Second game was Strange Journey which I beat on Chaos.
Remember now that you’ve clicked this video there is no turning back There is no ignoring fate Grasp destiny (and the demons) by the horns,pick your side, and enjoy the ride -Peaceful days die, let’s survive-
I'm really fascinated by the early Megami Tensei games. Seeing features that were present in the first also in the most recent Persona game makes me nostalgic for some reason.
One addition to the conserving resources thing. In some games such as Persona 4/5 conserving your mp is more important for progressing fast than conserving your money. Also the games give you a ton of spells as items that eventually fall off like single use maragis as items, if you don't have a weakness abusing move on your character you might as well use those instead. They are very useful in games where you have limited set of skills on your main character like nocturne and strange journey.
Another point for SJ, if you tried SMT and hate how its tutorials take forever (this is mainly Persona), Strange Journey justs makes it all a reading list to make it available at your pace. EDIT: I have been informed that SJ is actually very tough as a first game, so venture in at your own risk
Despite absolutely loving Sword and Shield, I've been on a pretty big kick to get into mainline SMT because of the hype around SMTV. I, as I'm sure is not surprising, really liked Persona 3, adored Persona 4, and really wanted to check out the rest of the series. I ended up snagging Devil Survivor on DS and really liking it, but I've never been super sure of where to start with the numbered main entries, but I went ahead and grabbed Nocturne for $9.99 on PS3 digitally, and I really want to dive into that soon :D
@AtomowyMudkip96 I politely disagree with you on most of those points (I really would have liked more post game, too.) I'm sorry you couldn't enjoy it as much as I did, I hope the next entry is better for ya
After watching the video, I decided to take a dive and jump into the series. Having only played P3 FES and P4 up until now using my old roomate’s PS2, I had always been curious. So I’ve just bought SMT IV and Strange Journey Redux, as the 3DS is what I have to work with right now. I’m looking forward to them immensely. This comment is 8 months late, but hopefully you see it and know you got someone to try the series.
Basement Dweller Eh, screw those people. Like what games you like, don’t worry what others think. That said SMT main series is still very worth checking out in its own right.
Thank you for these amazing videos! I bought P5R as my first game, but after seeing your videos I decided to try SMT4 on my 3ds first! I love it so far, the setting is so intriguing and I have played almost 30 hours in 4 days!!! Your videos made me a huge fan of the series and now SMT5 is one of my most anticipated games! 🙂
Lmao I'm just now getting into the series now (its great and I'm loving it) I came from another video saying never play strange journey first as it will kill you inside and then you tell me to start with it first 😂. Just thought it was funny was all
Hey, man, loved the video. It definitely furthered my interest in giving them a try. I, like probably a good chunk of people who only recently heard of the series after that Nintendo direct, am super curious now, and I absolutely appreciate your clear and concise manner of assessing this seriously FOR people like myself. It’s greatly appreciated, and I’ll let ya know when I get my first one and how it goes!
my first game was SMT4, and the difficulty gave me hella trouble (the scull with the violin who spams blight, ) the process of getting the neutral ending was excruciating but the story was quite worth it.
I'm completely new to this series and was looking for a good starting point since my friends were really big on persona and SMT and this has been really helpful. Cheers, i'm really enjoying this stuff so far and you've got yourself a new sub.
I hope that Atlus eventually does a SMT collection similar to how Square/Disney did that Kingdom Hearts Collection. Ditto for a collection of the early Persona games.
@UCIfpVp7B-8ORIRo0Svd9oDw I'm serious! They have animations for every single demon, and each one has spell, physical and buff/debuff animations! Also, unique idle animations for every single one. I'd love to watch ya compare those!
At risk of rambling, this vid hit the nail on the head with my frustrations with Pokemon. I've been searching for more interesting monster collector/jrpg games to pick up lately, and until now Cyber Sleuth on Switch was able to sort of scratch that itch. It's not perfect, but it's enough of a positive change that I was able - if not exactly glad - to not need to rely on Pokemon for my fix. After watching this, your Devil Survivor vid, and basically binging the Wiki like you did, I'm extremely excited to check out SMT. I played 4 a long time ago and sort of liked it,, and I played about as much of P5 and felt the same, but something about the look and atmosphere of the previous mainline games really got me curious. I now have a copy of Strange Journey coming to my place soon, and I'll probably be grabbing Nocturne on Switch or PS2 (depending on how long the English release on Switch takes
I've always gone the release order experience when it comes to games like this mostly because the more modern games I play the harder it is to go to older games.
I learned about both SMT and Persona separately, until I started to get into SMT that I found out the two were connected.
Marcel Edel Same here
I just didn’t know SMT existed until I got Persona 4 and it said Shin Megami Tensei on the top.
i played SMT IV first and then ran back to persona 5 then 4 golden and then burned out on 3 P and then the lost child to tokyo mirage sesions back to the lost child to Iv apocalypse
my descent to hell has been a gradual one.
@@haruhisuzumiya6650 guess ur heading to personal q then in a few months you'll end in dancing all night or whatever that thing is called
I kind of knew it was connected when ...if came out
The best description for SMT that I have ever heard is as follows. (I do not remember the source off the top of my head so forgive me for that. )
"Shin Megami Tensei is everything that the fundamentalists were afraid POKEMON was."
I was that fundamentalist once because I’m a just a lil child back then I’m really afraid of demons (because superstition) but then I grew older, I got into SMT after Persona introduced me to this franchise!
@@n-extrafries-surprise same
They were right about Pokemon though, it does have sanatic symbolism and playing it gives the subliminal effect of having an urge to start worshiping satan.
@@gastroacid1971 What satanic symbols ? If the "satanic" symbols are actually just Buddhist or Shintoist symbols I'll laugh.
@@NIHIL_EGO Kadavra has a pentagram on his forehead, Pokemon evolve which contradicts creationism and the card game colorless energy has a kabbala symbol.
Wait so Pokemon was just a simpler more kid-friendly MT?
SO POKEMON WAS THE DEVIL
*TAKE THAT ATHEISTS*
@William E what the fuck does Jojo have to do with MT ? At the time there weren't even stands, Stardust Crusaders is from 89, DDS: MT is from 87.
William E almost but the novel was made before
and MegaTen was first
Bad Dragonite Impossible.
@William E it's not the same smt or megami tensei is just allying yourself with demons or angles unlike persona or jojo.
Nyarly: The best game to start with is...
Me: Obviously IV, it's readily available on a easily accessible platform, it also has...
N: Nocturne because it has a camera.
Me: But IV is great at explaining the press-turn sys...
N: Nocturn has a camera.
Me: It being easy is great to avoid frustration.
N: Nocturne. Has. A Camera.
CD IEE nog if it’s your first smt game, it will be difficult
DevilBuster Kaz I agree heavily with Strange Journey, potentially DDS too.
He just wants them to understand all the Fiends and beast eye memes.
@DevilBuster Kaz SJ?I wouldn't recommend it unless they have prior demon knowledge or an understanding of dungeon crawlers.
As I understand the video, he specifically recommends it as a jumping-on point *for Persona fans,* who by virtue of having beaten some Persona games are seasoned players who he feels are ready for the challenge of Nocturne instead of needing an easier game to ease them in directly from some other JRPG series or even from having never played a JRPG before.
Persona 3: Makes you cry
Persona 4: Makes you wanna go to school
persona 5: makes you go to sleep
Persona 5: makes you want to live in a society
P2 makes you want to punch a Furher.
Persona 2: makes you wanna make motorcicle noises
@@wannepricila3108 I laughed way too hard at this
Video: starts with P3 music
Me: dis good video
Definitely Not Shanque thought the same thing i love p3 music
Persona 3 was my first Megaten game!
I thought 3,4,5 arent smt and just spinoffs
Hex Maniac nah they are mega ten, but not shin Megami tensei.
@@biglion3816 they are spin-off of the mainline games but still smt
As a veteran Megaten fan I don't know why I still watch these introduction videos to the franchise. Good job tho!
I'll take any mainline smt content I can find
we’re starved for content. I’ve been here for almost a decade and the amount of fan megaten content in the TH-cam space is nonexistent
@aichakushi well megaten in general isn’t nonexistent on TH-cam but
Oops! All Persona!
the amount of mainline smt content would make you think *it’s* the sub series
Yes, welcome to the world of MegaTen...Now give me 1000 macca or get mudo.
Goddess Suzumiya-sama: jokes on you, im immune to hama and mudo
now hold still while i mamudoon your party
not that related but but once i had a sudden urge to go to the bathroom while i was playing p3 fes so i turned off the TV (not the playstation) while i was at tartarus and without pausing the game; When i come back and turn on the TV i find myself and all the party members engaged in a battle with death and everyone but MC was dead. I was terrified (at that time i was an early player of smt's games)
Okay maybe its the time for me to use makarakarn~
Don't be scared this guy comes from smt where mudo only do damage
Mudo only does direct damage in smt4
In nocturne and previous, Mudo was still the same old potential instakill move.
Me: Nocturne it's really friendly, i mastered the game already
Matador: No, you don't
I actually beat him in the first time but the reason i play nocturne because matador lmao
cory sakti Same except i played the game to fight thor
Mot : cute
Death flies... death flies Everytime
Nonono, I reversed that thing, no I am hunting Matador and not otherwise.
I like how you picked the hardest games in the series and just went "idk why people think they're hard or anything". As someone who's only been into MegaTen for about over a year I never would have continued if I started with SJ. The additions in SJR don't make it too easy, take it from a noob.
Nocturne is actually not that hard.
Coming from a guy who's first game was persona 3 psp version, on easy mode and went then into nocturne. It was a long playthrough, but i never felt like "this is impossible".
The number one thing I've taken away from these sort of "guides to get into a certain rpg series" videos is that if the person says "this game is a lil too easy", do not listen to them. Play the game and decide if it is too easy. Veterans' vision of difficulty gets shrouded with enough experience, and eventually they can't accurately tell newcomers shit.
@Neos Antrax as someone who is currently playing SJ (my first mainline game btw), I can say that Eridanus wasn't THAT bad
Yeah, as much as I like Nyarly's content, his opinion on what's hard or not is... honestly, really detached from reality. Unlike Pros in other games that can separate their own skill making the games easy and give more of a neutral take, Nyarly seems either incapable of or doesn't really care. SMTIV for example, everyone out there will tell you to play it on easy if you are new because Normal is akin to Hard or Really Hard modes in other JRPG's. Game's even infamous for making new comers quite because of the difficulty. What does Nyarly says? "It's too forgiving and easy". Dude really needs to realize that 99.9% of the playerbase isn't a Pro Challenge runs SMT/Persona player.
As my only Mega10 experience, I have to say SJ isn’t that hard, apart from a few bosses and the eridanus teleport maze. It does drag on tho.
Great video, I started with Persona 4 the Golden, then p3, then p5 and now I'm going through P2 IS, Nocturne and IV. It took me a looooong time to get into the series but I'm loving it.
Started off with p4 golden once i save up for a 3ds new 3ds going to get devil survivor overclock perfect way to start off smt games and the rest same with persona on ps3 vita and ps4
Finally, a man of culture using Japanese names.
Actually same! Although I played P5 before getting into P3.
Same, started with P4G, now have completed P5, P3FES and Nocturne. Gonna play Devil Survivor next.
“Devil Survivor Overclocked is just $15”
About that
What happened man? Lmao
@Sam idk but it makes me extremely salty.
Unss you want the case just order it from gamestop it will save money but me I like having my cases for games and I just found out the other day its a hefty price for a CIB copy.
80 goddamn dollars. What the hell.
@@justanotherweirdo11 people take advantage of the pandemic
Since the official reveal and release year of Nocturne HD and SMT V, better be prepared.
As a disappointed Pokémon fan, this series seems awesome as hell!
Im just going to start with nocturne as my first shin megami game
@@beanboi3178 Good luck with that, and prepare yourself to fight Matador and Mot
Now if only we can get some rereleases of Devil Survivor and Strange Journey again. (And some more PC love too, after getting Persona 4 Golden on pc.)
Jovi F.S Pemuda indonesia ok joe
Started with devil survivor overclocked, still love it the most
Same
Its the best persona game. But to be honest Its what Shin Megami Tensei 1 should have been. It polishes the story a lot. A SMT1 remake would be awsome
My first SMT that isn't persona is Devil Survivor Overclocked and boy that game has a LOT of grinding. I chose the Haru ending and I gave up near after I chose it because the amount of grinding was too much. Fighting the same demons over and over again to get to an alright level to go to the final part of the game. I'll be trying SMT IV and then maybe Apocalypse. I usually don't mind grinding but the grinding in Devil Survivor Overclocked was terrible for me. My favourite series so far is Fire Emblem, Yokai Watch, and Persona but I hope to fall in love with SMT as well
As someone who’s disappointed with Pokémon’s current direction I can’t believe I never looked into this series sooner
I’m definitely going to play IV to hold me off until the remaster of III is released
It's fantastic. As someone who doesn't care about the competitive aspect in Pokemon this is absolutely my favorite monster catching series. Recent Digimon has also been really good, and the dragon quest monsters games are a lot of fun. But SMT is just the definitive monster catching series to me. Pokemon has gone all the way to the bottom for me at this point sadly.
@@emptilion digimon cyber sleuth was good
Smt4 cost around $80 on THE LOW END
@@guardian3636 20€ bro on e shop
That's actually what happened to me as well. I've been a Pokémon fan since 2014 but soon it got old for me. This is why I started Megaten, precisely with Persona 4 Golden as I found out it got released on Steam. I'm playing it at the same time as P3FES, on a PS2 emulator. I also found out that the games are a part of Shin Megami Tensei as they have it in their titles.
Both are very good and enjoyable games with colorful casts of characters, complex battle system and lots of things to do besides just catching monsters.
My favorite thing that happened in SMT nocturne was when I grinded for an hour and got hit by a single one hit ko move
Ah yes the classic
As one who started with Persona 3, then went to SMT Nocturne; it was a mildly rocky but fun transition. I will say that Devil Survivor's first boss made me furious, and had me drop the game due to not farming properly. As for Strange Journey, its a grand point to start, as the curve is very smooth, but quite impactful and game is still hard.
Fuck that wendigo tho like it one of my most frustrating bosses ever
@@gameuniverse5973 idk man, i would say that wendigo was kinda easy, you know just compare him to Beldr, Belial or Babel, those were WAY too unfair
@@etheldread7646 Funny enough I beat those first try the wendigo tho smack me five times before I grinded hell he one of my most though bosses whenever someone mentions mts I just think wendigo
@@etheldread7646 Strange journey was much easier than that oversized dog
@@gameuniverse5973 How did you beat Beldr and Belial in your first try man? Literally those assholes were the reason i had to restart TWICE hahaha
>Shin Megami Tensei: A place where there is no right or wrong reason/alignment
>Entire fanbase demonizes and dehumanizes the law route without looking at the bigger picture
I'm starting to think there's a bit of a bias here...
Heres your chance now, sell us on taking up the ass from YHVH
YHVH starts a conflict and plans a genocide, then asks for submission to stop it, fuck that guy.
I haven’t played a single megaten game (save for P5) but it already looks like law sucks ass and is the closest to a bad ending
@@tovi3280 chaos and law are bad endings with the middle path being the safe route that only prolongs the demise.
@@Drdirtydee In other words,
Chaos = The Weak become slaves to the Powerful
Law = Everyone becomes slaves to Daddy YHVH
Neutral = You're still fucked, but just not for now
Devil Survivor got me into an existential crisis for a month
Lol😂
ah the p3 music at the beginning soothes my soul gg big sexy
4:32
Interesting that THAT'S the image you decided to use to describe the Persona dancing games.
Devil Survivor was my introduction to SMT and I've never looked back. Such an amazing series.
It’s weird knowing that just one year ago, the only RPG I’d beaten was Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars. Now I’ve played the entire persona series including most of their spin-off games, and SMT III and IV. Despite this I’m not even close to playing them all, which is pretty exciting in itself
I just discovered a Persona/SMT channel that's named after my favorite Persona Character, Subscribing!
Something that surprised me about this series is the fact that the demons/personas look the same game to game for the most part.
I played Persona 5 first knowing full well it was a sister franchise to SMT and one thought I had was “I wonder how many redesigns these personas had over the years”. Then I played Noctern and immediately was I surprised that everyone like Daesoujou and Matador and even Pixie were all the same. I figured that they all go through iterations in design.
SMT IV/Apocalypse redesigned a lot of demons, but for whatever reason Persona doesn't have any of the IV redesigns. Guess the Persona team must really love Kaneko...can't blame em, Kaneko is great.
Just think of it as national pokedex on pokemon franchise
Think about It. How many Pikachus designs have you seen?
@@bemersonbakebarmen technically pokemon keeps making new pikachu clones for every game so there are like 10 of them
@@legendofsonic3979 Tbh some of the designs in SMT IV Apocalypse are really good, like Medusa has a fucking upgrade and is actually beautiful and demons like Mermaid and Danu look amazing.
I'd say SMT IV Apocalypse had some of the best art of demons that were even carried over in SMT V.
In another universe "DemiKids Dark Version" is the most hardcore horror game of all time.
...or a doom clone, whatever.
I feel like one of the most important aspect you left out: pay close attention to your compendium, always registering and upgrading demons in case it gets stronger.
Still waiting for SMT V.
Nintendo where is it?!?!
No ask both Nintendo and Atlus but looks like ODIN IS OUT FOR BLOOD.
@@mrnukes797 if we gonna be honest with ourselves. Atlus is too busy milking p5.
Oh well time to play strange journey.
atlus is milking persona and it is particularly annoying
@@haruhisuzumiya6650 Atlus apparently got a bad habits of announcing gamrs too early though.
@@NIHIL_EGO at least persona 5 scramble is a worthy sequel to persona 5.
I played the switch version demo it's amazing
Atlus doesn't even pay me to shill so I'm genuinely excited for scramble
Also one piece pirate warriors 4
Hey, Nyarly. I just wanted to say thanks for getting me into Shin Megami Tensei. I've gotten a hold of $ and Nocturne, as well as Persona 3 Fez and portable, along with and 4 Golden. I plan on getting my hands on other SMT games that you recommended. Again, thank you for getting me into the games!
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1994 II if
2002 NINE
2003 Nocturne
2004 Maniax
2009 Strange Journey
2013 IV
2016 Final
2017 Deep Strange Journey
25th Anniversary
NEXT?
"5 bucks for Devil Survivor Overclocked"
*Laughs in 2021
9:29
Imagine that actually happening in March 2020
"I don't recommend SMTIV because after you get to tokyo the game is a breeze"
I dropped SMTIV because I was getting crushed in Tokyo. Oof!
TLOWNSU and the map is just AWFUL
@@SmileyGamer13 Map being trash means you'll end up grinding a lot to figure it out.
@@yosha2467 tbh that makes it worse. Not only do you end up overleveled, you also end up being exhausted. You're lost and can't go like three steps without an enemy spawn
yeah the map is garbo but once you get to shibuya you get used to it. I 100% recommend smt iv as its not easy. As soon as the enemy gets a smirk your dead. also It teaches you how press turns work and how to deal with bosses and how to build your team against the bosses.
Oh my god. Thank you for this. So much. 🤣 I’ve been playing RPGs since ‘99, so I’m not new to the genre, but entirely new to this series. The number of spin-offs and such gives me a migraine. My plan is to stick to the basics and play the mainline series, see how I like it, and then branch out if I want. This helps straighten out pretty much all of my questions 🤘🏻👍🏻
I do have some other tips for other new smt fan:
1 in some cases, some demons are worth to keep for a long time, especially the one who doesnt have weakness or have several elemental strength (exp: black frost) and if you do want to do this, learn how to level down fusion and maximize the inherit skill benefit
2. For all the physical MC out there, DO YOUR MATH, Physical skill takes hp, some use a set of math to determine the skill cost, always assume the damage of your enemy is critical attack so when you do phys attack at least you can survive even if you miss the attack
3. High critical and multiple damage small attack (with the right buffs) going to be a game changer
4. For some reason a single hitting elemental spell can be a good thing to keep, and if you master the demon fusion you can make a demon with 4 different elemental attack (this might be hard early game, but can be attainable at mid game with quite a cost)
5. Have 1 demon who learn/know patra in any kind of party
I started playing SMT IV about a week ago and I'm hooked, this game is amazing and I'm excited to explore the rest of the series!
Missed a golden opportunity to title this "IntroducSHIN to Megami Tensei
NOOOOOOO
I started with Devil Survivor. It was really hard at the beggining but, when you get the hang of it is one of the best games for the ds
My first SMT was smt 4...
Now I remember hearing and watching it and thought maybe one day I could buy this game... and the rest is history.
(Smt 4, Apocalypse, and currently Strange Journey Redux)
Some Guy Paragon I strongly recommend nocturne and digital devil saga 1/2
Hello, Nyarly! I hail the future! And because of this, I can simply say that,
-The backlash for Pokémon SwSh was WAY crazier due to the National Dex removal
-I have played SMT IV [it had the cover from Apocalypse and I was heavily disappointed :(], but it was thoroughly entertaining and I'm eagerly waiting for SMT V to come out!
Also, weird fact, this video was released on my birthday, so.... Thanks a bunch! I watched a bunch of videos of yours and I'm thinking of subscribing. Watching playthroughs of Nocturne, SMT IV, and SMT IV Apocalypse and reading the wiki really got me intrigued in the series.
So, yeah, overall, you're a cool guy and I wish you luck in your future endeavors!
-Southpaw
Nyarly: "SMT 4 is too easy"
SMT 4: *eats my ass repeatedly on the tutorial dungeon with 1-2 hit kill enemies that spawn everywhere and are nearly impossible to avoid*
*Minotaur*
I'm literally playing it now and have to go back to the barracks for the 4 time, and I haven't been to floor 3 yet. Died once also. Seriously, how in gods name is 4 at all easy?
the minotaur is not difficult, but it makes you think and rethink what you are doing wrong
am I using the right demons? which magic is more effective? am I at the right level?
is a boss "final test"
@@dewo277e9 actually yeah. I beat him no problem. Before him was the issue.
Also if you get assigned Walter for the fight, that Minotaur attempt is pretty much doomed.
@@sharkhammr funny and I'm not even lieing, I got Walter and he didn't use agi once. Just missed critical wave a bunch
Sub tip: holy dance in Devil Survivor is bae.
"You can get Overclocked for around $15 easily"
That didn't age well, Overclocked is going for $70-$80 nowadays
Ciglossonjr I found it for 20$
Aidan Khaos bitch where
@@assmunch8633 I got off the eshop for $20. I don't know about hard copies.
Why are all SMT games going so crazy!?
Sam it’s going for $120 now
I wish I had a guide like this.
Legit my first SMT was when I was still in school and I bought a game called Digital Devil Saga on offer. Liking JRPGs and wanting to make the most out of each game purchase, as my family never gave me money for games, I picked it up and was just overwhelmed. I never had internet until college so I couldn’t just look up a walkthrough.
Now I’m a big SMT fan and honestly I reckon it would have happened sooner had I not been put off for a good few years after getting confused by SMT: DDS
Great vid and agree with the choices (except I’d say persona 4 is probably the easiest to start with instead of 3 for those with no experience)
Yeah i actually never finished persona 3 and can't find a save who leads to the beginning of the last dungeon.
I really liked it but man, it was anxious as hell most of the time.
Death was a big nope for me.
I kinda hope they make a remake so i can try it.
14:52 In Persona 2 you can still fight if the protagonist dies.
Hashino persona fans are quaking rn
Both in Persona 2: Innocent Sin and Persona 2: Eternal Punishment the whole party has to die to lose the fight.
This is also the case in Digital Devil Saga, I believe.
Yeah OK there are some exceptions to the dead protag = game over rule, specifically Persona 1, 2, Q, Q2, 5S, SMTIV(A), and DDS
If you play SMT IV and Apocalypse Shibaboo and Fundraise are your best friends that will give you a lot of that precious Macca
It's hilarious to see Metatron being robbed
or you can use the dlc quest that gives you more money than you can spend
Metatron is an absolute pushover smh
Started Nocturne as my first SMT and enjoying it so far! I LOVE the setting of the hospital so far and cant wait to explore more
How you are doing in Nocturne 3 months later?
Another thing about covering your weaknesses is that it costs the enemy additional turns. This can be really important if you're up against a group of enemies that hammers you with an elemental spell since not only will the enemy's attack be wasted, but one of the other enemies will lose their turn as well. On top of that, there are bosses who have multiple turns and nothing is as awesome as watching them cast a spell you're strong against and waste all their turns. This strategy can turn an Atlus Boss *cough*Matador*cough* into a breeze.
This series is my dream. Being a fan of the occult and mytical creatures and RPGs. This is my wheel house.
SMT 4 was my first and the intro dungeon was straight stress.
He says is easy, but for a newcomer is really hard lol
@@andr0zzsenpai Agreed. Even as someone who has played SMT Nocturne, I was stunned by how many times I had to head over to barracks to heal my team.
This is not a game I would recommend to new players to the franchise bceuase of the really hard start. Which will most likely piss off potential players who want to play a fun game.
I would actually recommend SMT IV Apocalypse because gameplay wise it's more player friendly then ask them to play SMT IV
After SMT V release, I would recommend SMT V over SMT IV Apocalypse and IV.
might play smt 5 as my first smt when it comes out
"You can get Overclocked for $15"
Lol good one
In Europe SMT games are for 100 Euro + :D So nice joke.
@@nr2676 at least you can find It in Italy they never exist...
I've never heard of this series until Persona 5 last year, and since playing that last year I've been on a journey to play as many entries as I can. I played every Persona, the SNES mainline games and Nocturne but don't know what to move on to next.
If you just played Nocturne I'd recommend playing Digital Devil Saga next since it plays mostly the same. That or Strange Journey for the DS(or 3ds if you want to buy Redux)
I say play if on gba then strange journey, iv and iv apocalypse
You should try Raidou Kuzunoha VS. The Soulless Arny
Play the Devil Survivor games.
13:30 "time to leave the weak ones behind" *show's pixie, someone lost a great ally ;)
0:01
'Sup dude?
Where have you been?
Oh, hey!
Welcome back.
Hi, how was your day?
Oh, hello!
Greetings
*woof woof*
I forgot what Shinji said
I played P3, 4 and 5 all through but never played smt other than persona so I really want to play an smt game... thanks for this dude, great vid!
I only clicked on this video since I started these games about a year or two ago with Persona 3. Second game was Strange Journey which I beat on Chaos.
Thanks for this video! Was already interested in the series since loving persona 3 and 4.
Time to deny some gods? Idk I’m new
@@broman1449 *reject
Remember now that you’ve clicked this video there is no turning back
There is no ignoring fate
Grasp destiny (and the demons) by the horns,pick your side, and enjoy the ride
-Peaceful days die, let’s survive-
Damn that was cringe
@@nintenx1235 Nah it wasn't that bad
nintenx123 Cringe? Nah. Not to me it isn’t, I thought it was poetic in a good way.
@@nintenx1235 yeah it was pretty cringe
I'm new to the series.. Just started persona 5 and fell in love
I'm now hyperfixating
I thought you gonna put persona 4 in the list, since it actually my favorite persona game that introduced me into the series in the first place.
11:57. When he said that and I saw Mitsuru Senpai I died.
Funny, Devil Survivor 2 was my first SMT
I'm really fascinated by the early Megami Tensei games. Seeing features that were present in the first also in the most recent Persona game makes me nostalgic for some reason.
An SMT exclusive channel where have you've been my entire life
Just bought strange journey as my first SMT game because of this video. Pretty excited🤠
That intro transition at 1:37 was amazing !
Song?
Does anyone know the song?
Main Theme - Shin Megami Tensei IV
One addition to the conserving resources thing. In some games such as Persona 4/5 conserving your mp is more important for progressing fast than conserving your money. Also the games give you a ton of spells as items that eventually fall off like single use maragis as items, if you don't have a weakness abusing move on your character you might as well use those instead.
They are very useful in games where you have limited set of skills on your main character like nocturne and strange journey.
Another point for SJ, if you tried SMT and hate how its tutorials take forever (this is mainly Persona), Strange Journey justs makes it all a reading list to make it available at your pace.
EDIT: I have been informed that SJ is actually very tough as a first game, so venture in at your own risk
This actually pretty helpful I’m collecting the games right now and playing the games thanks for the help 👍
I recently got Strange Journey Redux. It's so addictive! I put almost 20 hours into it before playing my other 3DS games.
Great stuff 👌. Getting acquainted to the SMT franchise with your videos, in anticipation of SMTV.
Same , preordered
Despite absolutely loving Sword and Shield, I've been on a pretty big kick to get into mainline SMT because of the hype around SMTV.
I, as I'm sure is not surprising, really liked Persona 3, adored Persona 4, and really wanted to check out the rest of the series. I ended up snagging Devil Survivor on DS and really liking it, but I've never been super sure of where to start with the numbered main entries, but I went ahead and grabbed Nocturne for $9.99 on PS3 digitally, and I really want to dive into that soon :D
@AtomowyMudkip96 I politely disagree with you on most of those points (I really would have liked more post game, too.) I'm sorry you couldn't enjoy it as much as I did, I hope the next entry is better for ya
After watching the video, I decided to take a dive and jump into the series. Having only played P3 FES and P4 up until now using my old roomate’s PS2, I had always been curious. So I’ve just bought SMT IV and Strange Journey Redux, as the 3DS is what I have to work with right now. I’m looking forward to them immensely. This comment is 8 months late, but hopefully you see it and know you got someone to try the series.
The only reason why I haven’t touched SMT is because people get extremely toxic to me when they found out I enjoyed the Persona games...
Basement Dweller Eh, screw those people. Like what games you like, don’t worry what others think.
That said SMT main series is still very worth checking out in its own right.
Enjoy what you enjoy. If you’re interested in smt, go for it.
Mate... You can enjoy any games whatever you wanted.. don't listen to them...
it's true, they are assholes but still they're worth checking out
Just play both
I don't know a lot English, but thanks for the video helps me to learn more this lenguage and about SMT
Nocturne 👏 needs👏 a 👏 switch👏 port
Wish Granted.
Jimbo Bondall you here?
@@FelixLikesCurry You bet mate
@@1wantu2bmine And it’s a solid port
9:55 Watching this video almost 3 years later and checking eBay for the DS version has felt like a kick in the balls.
Me as a kid "why can't digimon have cool games that pokemon but darker?!"
20 years later "why did it take 20 years to find these games?!"
Thank you for these amazing videos! I bought P5R as my first game, but after seeing your videos I decided to try SMT4 on my 3ds first! I love it so far, the setting is so intriguing and I have played almost 30 hours in 4 days!!! Your videos made me a huge fan of the series and now SMT5 is one of my most anticipated games! 🙂
Lmao I'm just now getting into the series now (its great and I'm loving it) I came from another video saying never play strange journey first as it will kill you inside and then you tell me to start with it first 😂. Just thought it was funny was all
Hey, man, loved the video. It definitely furthered my interest in giving them a try. I, like probably a good chunk of people who only recently heard of the series after that Nintendo direct, am super curious now, and I absolutely appreciate your clear and concise manner of assessing this seriously FOR people like myself. It’s greatly appreciated, and I’ll let ya know when I get my first one and how it goes!
I hope you end up liking it!
Nocturne my all time favourite just a ever ending and enjoyed it start to finish really hope for more like it
my first game was SMT4, and the difficulty gave me hella trouble (the scull with the violin who spams blight, ) the process of getting the neutral ending was excruciating but the story was quite worth it.
I wish I watched this video before I started playing persona 4, I'm stuck because I rarely fuse personas
great video, i was looking for information on this game series and defnetly got it here:)
I bought 4 apocalypse because the box looked cool and LOVED IT! Hoping 5 on the switch will be out this year. PS. I SPIT on Pokemon Sword and Shield.
I’m gonna subscribe simply because I like your voice the smt content is a nice bonus
well your Nocturne recommendation as a first SMT suddenly becomes way more relevant
I'm completely new to this series and was looking for a good starting point since my friends were really big on persona and SMT and this has been really helpful.
Cheers, i'm really enjoying this stuff so far and you've got yourself a new sub.
I never thought devil survivor was smt, damn. I thought my first smt was p4 but now i know devil survivor was smt it was my first 12 years ago lmaooo.
It's part of the megaten franchise just like persona, they are spin offs.
I hope that Atlus eventually does a SMT collection similar to how Square/Disney did that Kingdom Hearts Collection. Ditto for a collection of the early Persona games.
"Motivate" in Trails of cold steel is actually a great move. ToCS is a bad example for useless moves anyways from my experience.
"some bosses require you to build a team around a single strategy" *shows smt:sj ouroboros* me (screams in PTSD)
Based on your introduction, I'm legit tempted to make a video comparing Nocturne's animation quality to Sword and Shield's
Spoilers: Nocturne's is better
@UCIfpVp7B-8ORIRo0Svd9oDw I'm serious! They have animations for every single demon, and each one has spell, physical and buff/debuff animations! Also, unique idle animations for every single one. I'd love to watch ya compare those!
@@TheXBladeist well, I'm cooking something up now, I'll see if I have the motivation to finish it!
@@CJojo_13_ if you somehow do the comparison, send me a reminder pls
@@seth7726 check the link in one of my previous comments :)
At risk of rambling, this vid hit the nail on the head with my frustrations with Pokemon. I've been searching for more interesting monster collector/jrpg games to pick up lately, and until now Cyber Sleuth on Switch was able to sort of scratch that itch. It's not perfect, but it's enough of a positive change that I was able - if not exactly glad - to not need to rely on Pokemon for my fix.
After watching this, your Devil Survivor vid, and basically binging the Wiki like you did, I'm extremely excited to check out SMT. I played 4 a long time ago and sort of liked it,, and I played about as much of P5 and felt the same, but something about the look and atmosphere of the previous mainline games really got me curious. I now have a copy of Strange Journey coming to my place soon, and I'll probably be grabbing Nocturne on Switch or PS2 (depending on how long the English release on Switch takes
I've always gone the release order experience when it comes to games like this mostly because the more modern games I play the harder it is to go to older games.
Thank you! I really needed one lmao.
This dude keep saying SMT IV is so easy and I can't pass the tutorial :(
the tutorial is the hardest part of the game lmao
Once you get past the tutorial, the rest of the game is smooth sailing, with only about 2 bosses after that taking me more than 2 or 3 attempts.
I was looking for a video explaining the differences of the spin offs, this wasn't it but it was still a nice and entertaining breakdown