He's Alive! Building my favorite childhood robot --CLANK Part 2

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 มี.ค. 2024
  • After wanting him since 2002, playing Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart made me want my own Clank backpack. So I made one. This is part two of making (and finishing!) my first animatronic.
    My 3d print files not currently available. Although he may look finished, I am still improving his files. Please be patient as I truck through this process.
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  • @jamfjord
    @jamfjord 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +117

    If anyone else says to me "3d printing is cheating", I'm just showing them this video and part 1. Very inspiring and amazing result.

    • @steprockmedia
      @steprockmedia 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      3D printing is like model-building, except you don't get a kit and the part might not work.

    • @the-shork
      @the-shork 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      anyone who says "3d printing is cheating" has never tried to get a 3D printer to work right

    • @monopoly2170
      @monopoly2170 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      If I built a functioning model of Clank, but someone said it didn’t count because I 3D printed the parts, I would still have a functioning model of Clank

    • @garrettsteele1174
      @garrettsteele1174 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I see 3D printing as another tool in my tool box. My animatronic Spider-cat face started as a 3D print, but after sanding, smoothing, and then sculpting the back of the head and the mask I had to create a mold from that and cast a hollow resin version which was painted and then I added the fur before I considered the head to be done.

    • @Frentraken
      @Frentraken 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I would just laugh at them. 🤷😜

  • @cactilio11
    @cactilio11 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

    I love how you are showing EVERYTHING in the process. Lil steps, trains of thoughts, failures, trials and errors. This is amazing, and it represents really well the whole experience of DIY-ing with electronics

  • @celticJedi
    @celticJedi 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    An engineering masterclass, you've got everything: electrical, mechanical and computing. Love it.

  • @nchldmn
    @nchldmn 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    That's gotta be the most realistic Clank model I have ever seen

  • @controllerpleb6568
    @controllerpleb6568 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Regarding your scare with the clank files, always remember the 3-2-1 rule. Three copies of every file, on two different forms of media, one of which is off site. Off site doesn't necessarily have to mean out of the house, it just means stored away from the computer. So like a backup server in your basement for example. I learned about that in college.

  • @Pr0toc01
    @Pr0toc01 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    You are an ABSOLUTE BEAST! I think I would have absolutely lost my "resin" and "rage quit" with all the hurdles you hit. You, however, powered through and made an absolutely wonderful animatronic build! Congratulations!
    You are a better, more patient, maker than I.
    Truely wonderful build!

  • @SadSpaceDuck
    @SadSpaceDuck 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    A tip for painting metallic paint, if you pay a gloss black underneath first it makes it really shiny, at least from my testing

    • @ZigealFaust
      @ZigealFaust 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      yep. if you want a good silver print, use black resin, not grey.

    • @SadSpaceDuck
      @SadSpaceDuck 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ZigealFaust I think finish also is important, smooth/gloss as it helps align the metallic flakes in the paint

  • @Allan_aka_RocKITEman
    @Allan_aka_RocKITEman 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    *_"Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer do..."_*
    - 2OO1: A SPACE ODYSSEY [1968]
    {VERY GLAD to hear you resolved THAT PROBLEM.}

  • @HiyuMarten
    @HiyuMarten 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +50

    This was, pardon the pun, riveting. The project alone is fantastic enough, but so is your presenting, filming, editing. Thank you so much for sharing all the ups and downs of this process!

    • @NightmareR27
      @NightmareR27 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Couldn't of said it any better !

  • @kennyz3d
    @kennyz3d 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    One robot builder to another, you've done an AMAZING job on Clank.

  • @seanwells6285
    @seanwells6285 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I love that someone else loves Ratchet and Clank as much as I.

  • @jkalberer
    @jkalberer หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm glad you stuck with it on this, Clank is really a blast from the past for me. You did a truly great job, and you handled the speed bumps like a champ. Thank you for sharing, I really appreciate it.

  • @LivvieLynn
    @LivvieLynn 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I'll always be in awe to the effort cosplayers go through to bring our fantasies to life.

  • @tomlee252
    @tomlee252 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    for all the work and frustration, it looks amazing

  • @thepolygonpilgrimage
    @thepolygonpilgrimage 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    "In the competition between the rock and the stream the stream always wins; not by sheer force but by determination" So happy to see this project come to life and your dedication towards pushing through all the trials involved. R&C holds a special place in my heart as my dad and I used to play it together and that time is filled with happy memories. Thank you for sharing this detailed look behind the scenes!

  • @steprockmedia
    @steprockmedia 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Incredible job! Final costume is unreal.
    (I ended up printing a 1-foot-tall Clank after seeing your first vid. Thanks for the inspo!)

  • @chrinamint
    @chrinamint 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    He is adorable and you did an amazing job! I mean, wow! So many people would've given up! You had a lot happen! I am unfamiliar with this Clank character, but now I want to see that film. His head looks like the Iron Giant! You are awesome! Make more stuff!

  • @Harko-
    @Harko- 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Being in product design and innovation for 25 years, Dominica I hope you appreciate how impressive this is! We have dedicated experts for mechanical, electrical, software and model making. Amazing and inspiring to see how you solved all the challenges in all these disciplines. With an awesome result 🤩. Thanks for sharing!

  • @comeradecoyote
    @comeradecoyote 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I think one way you might save yourself from a lot of headaches with the cable tension from the displays, is using flat flex cables or flexible PCB’s. They’re less stiff than the ribbon cables, and can be more easily tucked into a sheath or tube and be out of the way.
    Another option in the future is to put a daughterboard in the head itself, so you only need one cable for power data. That will add more weight to the head of course, but having a rigid shaft with a ball joint or pivot should take most of the weight off the servos.

  • @don_lock
    @don_lock 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Wow, a beautifully done project! I love it!
    I remember once, about 20 years ago, I was suddenly unable to access my main hard drive, on which was a large programming project. I literally felt as if cold water had been poured over me. Terror! I will never forget it. (I later recovered most of the files and, since then, I have been pretty meticulous with backups!)
    Thanks for the videos!

    • @SundaySlaysCosplay
      @SundaySlaysCosplay  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Such a good description, that’s EXACTLY how I felt. Dread, panic, disappointment all wrapped up in one wave of icy water. It took so long for me to be calm enough to record anything. Props to my boyfriend who came home in the middle of the spiral and had to talk me off a figurative ledge

  • @darth124
    @darth124 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Absolutely phenomenal work. I like how you showed all of the mistakes and stuff that you had along the way, watching you overcome them is very impressive.

  • @wakjagner
    @wakjagner 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have really enjoyed this build project and the way you're presenting it cinematography wise. It's such a great build, and watching the dedication and perseverance as you fight through each challenge is really appreciated. So many folks don't realize how much goes into these kinds of projects. Looking forward to the next one. Iterate till its great!

  • @lostbearstudios2361
    @lostbearstudios2361 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As someone who worked on Clank's model and design for the game, this was so fun to see! Great work!

  • @BenBoyee
    @BenBoyee 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You're a stronger person than me. I probably would have just died if I had to do that mac transfer BS you had to do. This is why I am not a programmer/cad guy

  • @Midgemon
    @Midgemon 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    He turned out great

  • @BoneDaddy96
    @BoneDaddy96 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is so cool! Wow! Congrats for persevering through all the hiccups, because it looks so awesome at the end!

  • @JugaJuga14
    @JugaJuga14 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is such an incredible example of trial and error and perseverance, with an incredible end product. Congratulations!! You should be extremely proud.

  • @thesabysingh
    @thesabysingh 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    All the frustration and hard work - this was inspiring. Thank you.

  • @Madagon367
    @Madagon367 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So awesome. Obviously no CNC machine just lying around since having a few of the structural parts made of aluminum instead of plastic would probably have done wonders. Here is to many more subs and sponsors showering the channel with tools and machinery.

  • @Lumibear.
    @Lumibear. 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    My word you have some tenacity in the face of adversity, but this is how we learn, fresh new achievements are just failures followed by problem solving, you got there, well done!
    I gave up on a stereo lighting rig recently, now I feel inspired to dust it off and try again.

  • @NoReverse77
    @NoReverse77 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Always always always have a separate drive for your operating system, one for your files with a backup, and one for programs/games.

  • @toyotaboyhatman
    @toyotaboyhatman 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love cosplay so much but never dabbled. Been doing 3D printing for 6 years now. I really ought to get into it. I love this project so much, ratchet and clank has always been one of my favorite games. Great job, so many hours of work must have gone into this.

  • @crapgoeshere
    @crapgoeshere 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What a ride. This was amazing to experience. Well done to give Clank the love he deserves!

  • @patrickcarpenter6258
    @patrickcarpenter6258 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    INCREDIBLE job! Watching the iterations every version is so satisfying

  • @tagnenjosephs3124
    @tagnenjosephs3124 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Finally a good youtube recommendation. Great work

  • @SubwayToSchiff
    @SubwayToSchiff 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wow, what an emotional ride. Can't help but feel super proud of you for seeing this one through. I've only done smaller projects so far and can feel some of the frustration, but this is everything dialled up to 11. And I'm sure there was A LOT of fiddling, trying, failing and ultimately succeeding that you didn't even put in the video. And all that ON TOP of filming and cutting it into this gem. Wow.

    • @SundaySlaysCosplay
      @SundaySlaysCosplay  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      So much was cut out. I tried to include the important failures and cut the rest as not to bore everyone with overly negative speedbumps. Thank you for watching!

  • @chrislira6680
    @chrislira6680 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I can just see all your next inventions now! you're going to go so far. Please keep making these amazing videos

  • @labomat
    @labomat 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Very nice build! The first thing I thougt when you introduced the idea of fixing the head part with screws onto the lower part: You will never reach these screws when all is inside. Why I noticed instantly? It happened to me multiple times ... 😀

  • @rudiniemeijer8869
    @rudiniemeijer8869 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Ow, I could so relate to that "lost the files because of no backups during OS upgrade" mental meltdown phase. Glad it eventually worked out for you!

  • @erebostd
    @erebostd 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    You should put a raspi with a LLM in it, and tell it to behave like clank. Then you could have conversations, which would be awesome!

    • @SundaySlaysCosplay
      @SundaySlaysCosplay  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Definitely thought about it. I need the LLM to get a little faster. Currently id have to run separate programs to do the regular LLM, but then run the text through an ai voice changer to Clank’s, then have it respond with the audio. I fear it’d be too slow and too much computing for a pi. But ai is progressing so fast I’m sure it’ll be a possibility soon

    • @Lumibear.
      @Lumibear. 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@SundaySlaysCosplay …and that was how AI took over the world! ;)
      Well, at least the end of human civilisation will have the cutest overlords.

    • @joshuabennett8249
      @joshuabennett8249 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@SundaySlaysCosplay Use a Latte Panda, get some better processing and a built-in GPU. Honestly, I'm trying to build a Clank like you but have it have movement with 3D printed actuators in the arms and legs with a flywheel inside his belly for stability. It's going to be bigger than yours I'm sure just because of the actuators, but could I maybe get your files for reference on the body and head?

    • @joshuabennett8249
      @joshuabennett8249 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@SundaySlaysCosplay I'll give you my files once I'm done too and my code if you did want a moving one too :)

  • @mmhmnms
    @mmhmnms 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I've always been a big clank lover and you've really done him justice! love all the amazing progress!

  • @JJW410
    @JJW410 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hard lessons learned. As a rule nowadays if I'm in the middle of a project I avoid updating software/OS unless there's some obviously broken stuff going on. And make sure I backup that stuff HARD STYLE. I too learned those lessons the hard way 👀

  • @RabbitsInBlack
    @RabbitsInBlack 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    For more durable resin, I add some flexible resin mixed in. I believe Uncle Jesse has tested the amount of flex to regular resin for durability. Larger the print, the harder they fall.

  • @chromosundrift
    @chromosundrift 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The level you’re going to here is pretty deep. Facing things like design for assembly/disassembly, learning what will be strong enough, etc. this is valuable experience for a professional in mechatronics though in your last video you said you are a professional animator. Clearly it’s been difficult but I hope to see what’s next as you build on this experience. ☮️

  • @garrettsteele1174
    @garrettsteele1174 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for documenting your build process. I built an animatronic Spider-cat that sits in a back pack last year using a similar design. I have been thinking of doing some upgrades and this video has been helpful.

  • @N8-TH3-GR8
    @N8-TH3-GR8 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Clank is so adorable. You bringing him into real life is amazing

  • @chickenfist1554
    @chickenfist1554 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome build. With that brass piece that kept moving, if you grind a flat spot where the grub screws touch they'll hold it even better :)

  • @TimzaGH
    @TimzaGH 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    yo! first one of your videos im seeing. i loved rachet and clank growing up. this is so creative! keep it up!! i cant wait to see what you do next!

  • @TheRealBobHickman
    @TheRealBobHickman 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Amazing work and what a journey.

  • @createwithpete494
    @createwithpete494 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I truly love your new hair style. With that being said could you please, please, please, do a Battle Warrior Tinker Bell cosplay with working moving wings!!!🤩💯👍👍🙏 ❤😊

  • @Naugrimsilvertree
    @Naugrimsilvertree 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I believe that if you spray the spray paint upside-down, after a bit it will just spray aerosol and not paint, and you can release some pressure in the can so it doesn't spray so forcefully.
    At least that's what I do for other aerosols like spray adhesive, and it works a charm.

  • @Webbsy
    @Webbsy 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'm not into cosplay, but I do like 3D printing and electronics. This build is amazing, I'd love to make a clank!

  • @oliverramsden9231
    @oliverramsden9231 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    INCREDIBLE!!! 😃

  • @legendzdgamer5015
    @legendzdgamer5015 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I just got recommended your build a clank videos girl you need to do more videos like this plus your cosplay I’m surprised you haven’t been doing this for long like 3 years and not a lot of videos I’m gonna subscribe

  • @andy_warb
    @andy_warb 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is amazing! The final reveal was something else! Good on you for sticking with it through all the pain!

  • @richardingle7540
    @richardingle7540 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Who doesn't love clank. You have created a master piece of reality , youe awesome 👌 😊, thank you for clank 🎉

  • @blackcat_off
    @blackcat_off 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    He looks amazing!! I'm glad you were able to finish this project^^

  • @southerndime333
    @southerndime333 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    emotional rollercoaster , respect for determination

  • @spongeknock7387
    @spongeknock7387 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Excellent job

  • @JamesR5D4
    @JamesR5D4 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Fantastic 🎉👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
    So glad you were able to regain access to your files 😊
    I had a lot of learning on a recent build, upgrading to higher torque servos for my WED-15 droid. Plus designing stuff in 3D and then finding out you missed that bit that has to fit in afterwards 😂, been there/done that 😂 is all part of the journey for creating something new. Great work 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

  • @Rulerofworld
    @Rulerofworld 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Hello, this is very cool. Congratulations, you did great.

  • @oh-totoro
    @oh-totoro 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    As upsetting as it is at the time, they are all valuable learning processes that will make future builds much smoother.

  • @bigdogbrosadventures8371
    @bigdogbrosadventures8371 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very cool project! As a designer I offer that while designing these projects you always need to design with ease of assembly in mind. You have done a great job and I'm sure you advanced your insight in all disciplines.

  • @mrwoodandmrtin
    @mrwoodandmrtin 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Impressed!

  • @StarStarYT
    @StarStarYT 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Oh my gosh that is so cool! R&C was my first game that got me into gaming and seeing this was awesome.

  • @davidz2016
    @davidz2016 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Your dedication is amazing. Please continue to create awesome projects. Great job.

  • @clerenyvald8385
    @clerenyvald8385 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Liked, subbed, and now we need to craft Clank an extra body in black & white, so Secret Agent Clank can go around in his tuxedo!

  • @branedeadzero
    @branedeadzero 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is fantastic!!! By far my favorite Sony game since I had a PS2 in high-school.

  • @imccrae
    @imccrae 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That was fantastic! Thanks for sharing the build.

  • @cpoco
    @cpoco 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Looks fantastic! Great showing of iterative design too... damn good work!

  • @icameforthemoshpit
    @icameforthemoshpit 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow I feel that so much when one part of a project gets stuck and while fixing it you find more and more and more and moooreee things that are flawed or broken -.- kudos for not giving up and getting your shit together to finish this amazing project and thank you for sharing the real progress and not just cutting it out and make it look easy and flawless! It nakes it more relatable, more genuine and it shows what it really takes besides the technical knowledge to build a *project*!

  • @maxximumb
    @maxximumb 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You both look amazing in the final shots

  • @ghettobrown209
    @ghettobrown209 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This should have a million views

  • @3Dgifts
    @3Dgifts 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome follow up video. Glad you sorted out the drive issue 😅 I’d be crying too 😭

  • @ParasocksTV
    @ParasocksTV 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    For future projects, maybe look into heatset inserts. I used to do the same thing you did of cutting out a section for the nut on the retaining side but they were always difficult. IDK if it will work for resin offhand but I still recommend trying them. Keep up the good work!

  • @nicholasgailey1486
    @nicholasgailey1486 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    looks awesome and wish i had one of my own!! An idea for future upgrades: some sort of motion sensing so that he actually looks at people.

  • @msheahan7
    @msheahan7 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Incredible work and dedication.

  • @anzullic
    @anzullic 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm glad you picked Clank and documented the process.
    I never got to play any Ratchet and Clank games after they moved away from the PS2 (except for size matters and secret agent clank), but my brother bought me rift apart and thank god it came out on pc.
    I had so much fun playing a Ratchet and Clank game again and no one I know cares about Ratchet and Clank.

  • @mrgelvis
    @mrgelvis 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Love your perseverance!! Clank looks amazing!!

  • @BSS44r
    @BSS44r 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So damn cool. Very good job! It's like a dream come true, so nostalgic.

  • @matthewlazaric3543
    @matthewlazaric3543 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great follow up! I'm looking forward to part 3.

  • @littleman8674469
    @littleman8674469 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That is so freaking cool! Great job on making it!

  • @rhammond4656
    @rhammond4656 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You are an amazing young lady. I have recently discovered your page and you have blown me away with your skills and tenacity. Kind regards from a talentless brit.
    Keep up the great work.

  • @triledink
    @triledink 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Now all you need is to make him able to make you fly.

  • @R.Daneel
    @R.Daneel 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So good. Amazing engineering and artwork.

  • @bluplacebo
    @bluplacebo 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Really nice work! I do a lot of 3D modeling and printing and I can relate to everything you went through. I spend more time figuring out how to fix my mistakes and anything else.

  • @JustEpicRandomness
    @JustEpicRandomness 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is amazing!!!

  • @ggaub
    @ggaub 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    RED loctite? That's confidence. :)
    Amazing work!

    • @SundaySlaysCosplay
      @SundaySlaysCosplay  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Haha! It is the semi-permanent one, not the super duper...but I was SO tired of parts slipping

  • @OnnieKoski
    @OnnieKoski 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome job!

  • @M3Giggs10
    @M3Giggs10 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dude, I would BUY this!

  • @nadavleor
    @nadavleor 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome project!

  • @unclechris
    @unclechris 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Such great videos and a wonderful series. Love it!

  • @lostcarpark
    @lostcarpark 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Amazing stuff!

  • @petestoysandtings
    @petestoysandtings 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    AWESOME, love it!

  • @tetsuoshima7385
    @tetsuoshima7385 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Amazing work😮

  • @blizatrex
    @blizatrex 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is really great. Thank you for sharing the process.

  • @SuperBlake1982
    @SuperBlake1982 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very cool! You are incredibly talented!

  • @rogue1874
    @rogue1874 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You are doing an amazing job. Well done.

  • @ladydeth999
    @ladydeth999 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent project, and thank you for leaving in the mistakes and lessons learned! Try mixing in flexible resins, like SirayaTech Tenacious, to give your parts a bit more durability. I have gone up to 50% with Tenacious and SirayaTech ABS-like. It has made a huge difference in building Cosplay armor, like the Bad Batch's Tech and his glasses and tools.

  • @Sugar3Glider
    @Sugar3Glider 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Oh damn, quite the journey