I used to read the Coptic Times when I was a younster in Jamaica. Brother Louv would provide commentary with each issue. They were genuises. They must have had influential figures in the USA for them to operate so freely and for so long.
Your vlogs have brought back so many memories. I remembered as a child reading the Coptic Time newspaper. I only knew they disappeared after a while but had no knowledge of what happened. Thanks for the lesson.
I remember seeing their literature when I was a yout but I didn't know anything about them until Sir P did his own video a tew years back. Thanks again Alexx.
@@EliteJamaica Mi hear u boss the real Copts are Egyptian i am talking about actual descendants of Bredda Love for example ?Love your channel a lot bro great content man.
@@RudyAlbayes the real Coptic’s Are the Coptic Christians in Egypt. Which is an Orthodox Church which in in Communion with the Ethiopian Orthodox Church. Those Guys are cult members
Brother Love did more for Jamaica during the 70’s than the politicians at the time . Thomas Riley was an interesting character and was the biggest ganja exporter in all history until the US shut it down .
Many politicians during the 1970s were bought by the CIA who helped to distabalize the island. Thinking about it the central intelligence agency must have known about the "Coptics"....and turned a blind eye to what was going on.
As a young girl living in Jamaica I remember when the leaders of the Coptic told Michael Manly to allow them to take a few crocus bags of weed out of Jamaica and they would make Jamaica rich anybody else remember that?
I remember them as a youth going to morant bay high school late 70’s to early 80’s i was fascinated by them i remember Brother keith , bad man and police used to go there and thief them weed , the police use to burn up the weed a morant bay police station, you could smell it in morant bay square , use to love the colors of their vehicles. They. also employed a lot of people. Good documentary brethren.
Who in St Thomas hasn't visited the Coptic church, lol, They at one time controlled the whole trucking business, delivering sand and gravel for the public works department, they had minivans that collected workers at Morant Bay Monday to Friday, why did they fall ? certainly not the Jamaica government , the workers were paid well
Ganja is a herb with medicinal properties so I don't see why it's associated with dangerous drugs and an aplolgy is due to the Coptic Church and it's members.
I drive many Times my Groups of German Tourist up to their place in White horses and we had many discussions about Bible and the use of Herbs. There hospitality was exelellent. I have know their place in Star Island and Alligator Pond.
I remember seeing a 60 Minutes program about this ‘church’ around that time. For a long time I was confused by the ‘Coptic’ appellation of this pseudo religion, thinking there was some actuality to it. I recall the filmed images of the people all smoking weed in their religious gathering and their citation of ganja as a sacrament. Having been raised Lutheran I knew the Christian Eucharist was always made of bread and wine so this conflation of weed-smoking with it bothered me. The arrogation of the ecclesiastical determinatives ‘Coptic’, ‘Zion’, and ‘Ethiopian’ by this large weed business is very problematic from the religious perspective. It’s an egregious example of religious hucksterism and damages people’s conscience hampering spiritual development. Many atheists were born of this disaster.
*Herb is a Profitable Business* 📈 💰 Stand now with thine enchantments, and with the multitude of thy sorceries, wherein thou hast laboured from thy youth; if so be thou shalt be able to profit, if so be thou mayest prevail. Isaiah 47:12
I am always finding out something new in regards to Jamaica's history. This is one piece of history however, that took me by surprise. I had no idea, this happened on the island. So basically, if this church hadn't branched out into large scale distribution, and forcing children to partake, they would probably still be going strong today. At the heart of almost every downfall... sadly greed is always the active ingredient.
Nope, the distribution of the herb for profit was the underlying reason for the church’s existence. Religion was used as a subterfuge. Their hearts wasn’t in it for religious reasons, I would imagine. Deceivers!!!🇺🇸🇯🇲
I am an Ethiopian Orthodox Christian, and it's the first time I have heard about this church. It answers many questions about people's opinions about the Ethiopian Orthodox Church.. Unfortunately, many people are confused.
@@averyhamilton6857 yes I understand that. Ganja was clearly more important than the bible or Theology. I hope they found spiritual satisfaction and truth by cultivating and using it. Maybe it was simply a front for a "money ting" and nothing whatsoever to do with worship of the Most High God.
‘Alternative to mainstream Christianity’ always raises red flags. Granted, Jamaica is a hotbed of religious innovation with the highest number of church structures per square mile of any country on earth, betokening a great spiritual hunger and religious devotion among the people. The anticolonial sentiment among Jamaican people of color perennially seeks religious expression and Rastafarianism seems to be the most comprehensive native spiritual movement among Jamaicans, characterized by its synthesis of Garveyite panafricanism, local neoAfrican devotional cults, Anglican, Protestant and Pentecostal Christianity and since the establishment of an Tewahedo parish in Kingston by Emperor Haile Selassie in the 1960s, Ethiopian Christianity. The name of this sect is a large tip-off of its bogus character, bringing together Zion(ism), Coptic and Ethiopian nomenclature to lure the less-than careful shoppers for religious experience in Jamaica. The ruse appears obvious to religiously literate persons but regular people without means for advanced education and a taste for charismatic religion would be readily lured by such hucksterism. The spiritual ruin these people caused is immense, lamentable across the whole nation. What a stain on Jamaican society, Rastafarianism and Christianity!
Does anyone know if church leaders Keith Gordon and Thomas Reilly are still alive today? If so, where are they, and how are they doing? What became of them? I am sure that Thomas Riley would have been released from Federal prison by now. If alive they would most likely be in their eighties. Can anybody fill me in on any more information? If I could I would like to meet them.
Shameful how these liars co-opted the name of the actual church. Seeing a 60 Minutes program about this outfit when I was about 14 confused me for many years.
@@lancelothogben1297 Ridiculous... My household and I were baptised into the Coptic Church, and the priest told us a story of coming from Egypt and trying to build a church in the Miami area. He humourously told us how the building department thought that they were the same cult from Jamaica. You should check out a Coptic church if you can.
@@Troy-Moses I love the Copts but I’m Eastern Orthodox. I like the Tewahedo because their religion is so indigenously African. They were so fortunate never to have been overrun by the moslems.
They produced soooo much food and made it FREE!!! People don't know the half of the work Coptic did! Pamphret is a blessed place!!
Miss those Days in Jamaica ! The financial impact on both Jamaica and Miami was both memorable and immense 🇯🇲🇺🇸
I used to read the Coptic Times when I was a younster in Jamaica. Brother Louv would provide commentary with each issue. They were genuises. They must have had influential figures in the USA for them to operate so freely and for so long.
Elite Jamaica thank u for another informative video. first time i have about this saga in Jamaica history.
Blessings and thanks for your feedback
Your vlogs have brought back so many memories. I remembered as a child reading the Coptic Time newspaper. I only knew they disappeared after a while but had no knowledge of what happened. Thanks for the lesson.
I remember seeing their literature when I was a yout but I didn't know anything about them until Sir P did his own video a tew years back. Thanks again Alexx.
Blessings family
Thak for watching
I still have a few copies of their newspaper
As a child growing up in Portland I remember the trucks that drove around to deliver the Coptic Times throughout the communities.
Ok
I was attending Yallahs Secondary at the time. Used to look forward to the Coptic Times newspaper
Nice,where are they now and they're descendants are they in Jamaica?Big up
The coptics aren't but the religion is still around
@@EliteJamaica Mi hear u boss the real Copts are Egyptian i am talking about actual descendants of Bredda Love for example ?Love your channel a lot bro great content man.
Am not sure about brother loves family, would have to check
@@RudyAlbayes the real Coptic’s Are the Coptic Christians in Egypt. Which is an Orthodox Church which in in Communion with the Ethiopian Orthodox Church.
Those Guys are cult members
Brother Love did more for Jamaica during the 70’s than the politicians at the time . Thomas Riley was an interesting character and was the biggest ganja exporter in all history until the US shut it down .
Facts
Many politicians during the 1970s were bought by the CIA who helped to distabalize the island. Thinking about it the central intelligence agency must have known about the "Coptics"....and turned a blind eye to what was going on.
As a young girl living in Jamaica I remember when the leaders of the Coptic told Michael Manly to allow them to take a few crocus bags of weed out of Jamaica and they would make Jamaica rich anybody else remember that?
I remember them as a youth going to morant bay high school late 70’s to early 80’s i was fascinated by them i remember Brother keith , bad man and police used to go there and thief them weed , the police use to burn up the weed a morant bay police station, you could smell it in morant bay square , use to love the colors of their vehicles. They. also employed a lot of people. Good documentary brethren.
Blessings family
I remember them.
Me too. 60 Minutes did a feature exposé around 1978.
Well done again I almost forgot about this
Thanks for watching
Respect 🇯🇲👊🏾
Blessings
I remember they had a large truck depot on Orange street . The trucks were painted in red , gold and green 💚
Love this intro!! ❤
Thank you
Who in St Thomas hasn't visited the Coptic church, lol, They at one time controlled the whole trucking business, delivering sand and gravel for the public works department, they had minivans that collected workers at Morant Bay Monday to Friday, why did they fall ? certainly not the Jamaica government , the workers were paid well
The drug trafficking was their downfall
Amen, St Thomas native here
I mean the first time i heard about this saga with the Copic Church in Jamaica!
Ganja is a herb with medicinal properties so I don't see why it's associated with dangerous drugs and an aplolgy is due to the Coptic Church and it's members.
Not when it's smoked, why you defending an illegal substance, and why should anyone apologize to a criminal organization?
@@EliteJamaicatobacco is also a herb that people smoke
@peterstraightforward2477 tobacco also kills. Dont get me wrong, I do smoke but am just stating facts.
@@EliteJamaica , TRUTH, coming from someone battling with this, "DEVIL "
@@EliteJamaica Which should make tobacco just as illegal
I drive many Times my Groups of German Tourist up to their place in White horses and we had many discussions about Bible and the use of Herbs. There hospitality was exelellent. I have know their place in Star Island and Alligator Pond.
I remember 1979 my brother in law a smoker was always discussing with friends about the coptic movement in St Thomas
I remember seeing a 60 Minutes program about this ‘church’ around that time. For a long time I was confused by the ‘Coptic’ appellation of this pseudo religion, thinking there was some actuality to it. I recall the filmed images of the people all smoking weed in their religious gathering and their citation of ganja as a sacrament. Having been raised Lutheran I knew the Christian Eucharist was always made of bread and wine so this conflation of weed-smoking with it bothered me.
The arrogation of the ecclesiastical determinatives ‘Coptic’, ‘Zion’, and ‘Ethiopian’ by this large weed business is very problematic from the religious perspective. It’s an egregious example of religious hucksterism and damages people’s conscience hampering spiritual development. Many atheists were born of this disaster.
*Herb is a Profitable Business* 📈 💰
Stand now with thine enchantments, and with the multitude of thy sorceries, wherein thou hast laboured from thy youth; if so be thou shalt be able to profit, if so be thou mayest prevail.
Isaiah 47:12
I'm from st Thomas I remember them
Thanks you for all your videos God bless ❤❤❤
Thanks for watching
Growing up I remember seeing helicopter dropping off pamphlet about coptic newspaper and dollars first time hearing about church 📰
Thanks for watching
@EliteJamaica when me a pickney going to all ages school this is Fact you're talking about Alex I remember everyone running think it was money 🏫
@evertonvenair2362 LOL, I heard some of the stories too when I was younger from my grandma
1st time hearing about that church
It’s a cult
@@Akhgy imagine
I am always finding out something new in regards to Jamaica's history. This is one piece of history however, that took me by surprise. I had no idea, this happened on the island. So basically, if this church hadn't branched out into large scale distribution, and forcing children to partake, they would probably still be going strong today. At the heart of almost every downfall... sadly greed is always the active ingredient.
Real talk, thanks for watching
Nope, the distribution of the herb for profit was the underlying reason for the church’s existence. Religion was used as a subterfuge. Their hearts wasn’t in it for religious reasons, I would imagine. Deceivers!!!🇺🇸🇯🇲
I know a rastaman who used to work there in White Horses.
Big business my friend and this is one of the air Jamaica plane was named air ganja 😂 my friend Mafia run the entire universe
Bless up
@@EliteJamaica keep up the good work brother
@johnroberts7980 Thanks for the support family, stay blessed.
@@EliteJamaica yes man u are welcome family love is everything
I always collect my paper in May pen
Who were the Jamaicans that was involved in this elaborate operation?
Church members, won't mention individuals names.
@EliteJamaica where can I find this information, do you have a source?
In cases like these I, won't divulge that information. And why would you even need that info?
@@EliteJamaica for future screenwriting
Nuff man a Glaspole ave Rockfort back inna di 70's
I am an Ethiopian Orthodox Christian, and it's the first time I have heard about this church. It answers many questions about people's opinions about the Ethiopian Orthodox Church.. Unfortunately, many people are confused.
Thanks for your feedback
The Ethiopian Zion Coptic church was more a Rastafari church, than the Christian churches of Ethiopia and Egypt
@@averyhamilton6857 yes I understand that. Ganja was clearly more important than the bible or Theology. I hope they found spiritual satisfaction and truth by cultivating and using it. Maybe it was simply a front for a "money ting" and nothing whatsoever to do with worship of the Most High God.
They have nothing to do with the EOC. As a matter of fact, they were denounced by most of the Ras Tafarian community back then.
@FitzroyFrancisRockefeller the stereotype mentality is always popular among the ignorant masses.
With the now legaliziing of the herb what happen to those recorded convicción, are they remove from person records
It’s only been decriminalized in Jamaica and that doesn’t extend to large criminal operations, just casual users.
@lancelothogben1297 facts
Sir p got the information from someone else
P diddy lives on star island change Alias to Brother love
Seriously?
100%Correct@@EliteJamaica
When Ever RELIGION and POLITICS GO IN THE SAME POT, MADNESS Will be The End RESULTS😂
You left out commerce and crime
Start at "papine st.andrew
‘Alternative to mainstream Christianity’ always raises red flags. Granted, Jamaica is a hotbed of religious innovation with the highest number of church structures per square mile of any country on earth, betokening a great spiritual hunger and religious devotion among the people. The anticolonial sentiment among Jamaican people of color perennially seeks religious expression and Rastafarianism seems to be the most comprehensive native spiritual movement among Jamaicans, characterized by its synthesis of Garveyite panafricanism, local neoAfrican devotional cults, Anglican, Protestant and Pentecostal Christianity and since the establishment of an Tewahedo parish in Kingston by Emperor Haile Selassie in the 1960s, Ethiopian Christianity.
The name of this sect is a large tip-off of its bogus character, bringing together Zion(ism), Coptic and Ethiopian nomenclature to lure the less-than careful shoppers for religious experience in Jamaica. The ruse appears obvious to religiously literate persons but regular people without means for advanced education and a taste for charismatic religion would be readily lured by such hucksterism. The spiritual ruin these people caused is immense, lamentable across the whole nation. What a stain on Jamaican society, Rastafarianism and Christianity!
🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲
Does anyone know if church leaders Keith Gordon and Thomas Reilly are still alive today? If so, where are they, and how are they doing? What became of them? I am sure that Thomas Riley would have been released from Federal prison by now. If alive they would most likely be in their eighties. Can anybody fill me in on any more information? If I could I would like to meet them.
Brother Niah Keith passed away in late 80s . Brother Tommy passed away penniless in Amsterdam in the late 90s .
@@ZionLoveSound Thank You friend for the update. You just can't believe how long I've been curious about what became of the two main leaders.
Every thing that not of YAH will away full the king of Ethiopian will alway be the Light of the world one YAH
I jerad about the Coptic church once they own a lot of supermarket if i am correct
The PNP got lots of money from the coptic church
Redeemer Annointed Sovereign The Almighty Forward Allah Rule Invincible - Ras Tafari Jah
Who owns the lands now that the coptic bought
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I encourage everyone to research the actual Coptic Orthodox Church of Egypt, founded by St. Mark 2000 years ago.
Shameful how these liars co-opted the name of the actual church. Seeing a 60 Minutes program about this outfit when I was about 14 confused me for many years.
@@lancelothogben1297 Ridiculous... My household and I were baptised into the Coptic Church, and the priest told us a story of coming from Egypt and trying to build a church in the Miami area. He humourously told us how the building department thought that they were the same cult from Jamaica.
You should check out a Coptic church if you can.
@@Troy-Moses I love the Copts but I’m Eastern Orthodox. I like the Tewahedo because their religion is so indigenously African. They were so fortunate never to have been overrun by the moslems.
The Roman control the entire universe no other can stop them just life before life leave us