Create A Professional Audio Experience in DaVinci Resolve 18 | Dynamic Range - Don't Ride the Volume
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- Loud parts too loud and quite parts too quite? Feel like you need to ride the volume on your TV? To make a great audio listening experience for your viewers, the Audio in your video needs to be consistent. We can work with the dynamic range of our audio in DaVinci Resolve to create better viewing/listening experience so viewers don't have to ride the remote control volume. Audio Dynamic Range in DaVinci Resolve, lets go!
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Pro tip, you can layer multiple compressors / limiters. One for tuning down the super heavy spikes, and the other for the overall dynamics.
Double the compressors, double the control. Also less distortion as a result because you're not slapping the threshold so hard.
Good tip!
You are a gold mine! I've been using the compressor since one of your earlier videos but I've just been kinda slapping some numbers on there and calling it good. I now feel that I actually know what I'm doing with it.
Awesome! Glad you're able to pick up some tips from me. 😜
Dude .. finally i understand how to use that tool.
Such a great guide, and now I can finally utilize my mic to the best.
Thank you!
Awesome! 😁👍 thank you for checking out the video!
The gift that keeps on giving. Thank you for these tutorials!👏
My pleasure! Glad youfound them helpful, thanks so much for checking out my videos!
I am so thankful that people like you exist
Thanks! Me too! 👽 😜
Incorrect audio mixing is one of my BIGGEST pet peeves in watching TH-cam videos! I hate it do much to maximize my phone's volume to watch an important video, but when I forget, it absolutely throws me off when the next video I watch is using standard audio mixing, which could end up waking my parents up at around 3 in the morning 😂. Errrr!!
Thanks for the reminder.
I use it a minimum, I prefer to make 2 identical channels one at 0dB and the other at -4dB because I keep the dynamics of the voices, manually I put keysframes to separate the near or strong waves from those weaker and so really weak I do not hesitate to put them on the 2 channels and listen to what it gives. It is longer, but so I have a more faithful sound, besides you had advertised an add-in doing it if I remember correctly.
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Thank you for a most helpful video.
I appreciate that it was an example chosen to make a point, but personally I would have increased the gain of the quiet part before compression (put the compression on at the bus level) as there is a bit of a "pumpy" sound on the loud bit.
Compression is not a "fix all" for decent levels at aquisition and a "personal" mic can help a lot.
Finally, I find the multiband compressor good for "finishing off" live music recordings which are OK but have too much dynamic range.
Thanks for sharing!
that was what i exactly looking for, I dont why from other tutorials they show just using normalize,
I wanted s.th to make the variation smaller and I didnt know what to search, glad I watched this one man
Yeah, you wanted to know about dynamics - compression and makeup. People normalize because they don't know what else to do, or what should be done. Normalize is a good quick fix for general volume, that's about it. 😜
@@JasonYadlovski come on jason dont be mean😁😁
That´s why we must love 32-bit float audio.
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How do get music in that format? Is there a way to at least try it out for free?
You have to record it in 32-bit float
Jason, another good audio lesson. With the hiss in the background, I was waiting to see the noise reduction too, but perhaps that's for another video. Thanks!
Thanks! Background hiss, voice isolation will do the trick, could also try an expander/gate.
Many thanks. I've seen you explain the compressor before but, TBH, I never really understood. I found this explanation much easier to understand.
Awesome, glad it all clicked together! 😁
Excellent demo of the compressor!! Next to a limiter Please!!!
Thanks!
Great video. You saved me!
Glad it was helpful, thank you for watching!
Thanks again for the help best audio tips here.
Happy to help!
Love the topics you been doing lately 👍
Thanks! I was hoping people would find them helpful.
Thank you so much for this. I'm new to adding voiceover and music to videos in DaVinci Resolve. Your tips are invaluable. Much appreciated.
Happy to help!
Well, I personally would not use a compressor like that. The Make Up Gain actually is meant to take the loudness of the track back to where it was before using the compressor - to make the compressed track as loud as your peaks before compressing.
For making quiet parts louder, I'd use an upward compressor or mark the section and turn up the gain.
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You’re welcome and thank you!
Great tutorial as always! Learning a lot from you! 🙂Thank you for sharing your knowledge
You’re welcome!
Thanks a lot, man! It worked perfectly for me!))
You're welcome!
@@JasonYadlovski haha u even answer comments. Now Im cheking ur video about clearing cache in Davinchi. I guess Im subscriber for good now heh
Yeah man! I tried to respond to as many people as I can to help them out. 😜😁👍
This video is great, Jason. Thanks a lot. Your channel is, really. Just subscribed! But in regards to dynamics, when I use the compressor I'm able to tone down the audio, but when I use the make up everything goes back up again?! I'm probably missing something right?
EDIT: I mean, then I go back and fine tune the compressor again, but it kinda goes back to what it was. I can't seem to find a nice balance.
Thanks for the sub! Yeah, it's a balance between boosting the makeup and increasing the compressor. It's ok if the quite parts are in fact quieter, you wouldn't want it all to be the same.
very good topic
Thanks for watching!
Jason fighting the holy loudness war By the way: I'm using IK Multimedia's Black 76 compressor to shave off loud parts at 1:4 and the White 2A to smooth the rest at 1:3
Ha!
🎉 from today i will use the make up section 😮
Yes! Gotta use some compression/makeup. 😜
Respectfully I'd recommend adjusting the gain on the individual clips before doing compression. This is adding more processing to the louder sections that doesn't need to be there and bringing up the background noise on those clips. The quality of the louder clips now sound not as good as it did before the compressor.
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So I‘m still trying to get the hang of compression and all… let‘s assume you start editing raw audio (from a recording you did for a podcast, i. e. Talking Heads). What does your workflow look like? I‘m trying to piece it together and assume that you‘d do some normalization first (True Peak around -10 dB), then do some EQ, and then use the compressor (and possibly the Expander and the Gate). Is that about right or how should I go about it? Thanks once again for your incredibly helpful videos. Even though I keep asking these (silly?) questions I‘d say that your vids definitely helped me step up my editing game (as well as gain an understanding of and appreciation for the craft)! 🙏 You absolutely rock! 🤘
I just realized that I can just watch your latest videos to find out (so never mind and thx for sharing those with us 🙏)! 😄
Nice. This will enhance my use of the compressor. But, what about the expander? When and how to use it?
The expander/gate help remove background noise. Here's a video that shows how to use it and what it does. It's in the first part of the video: th-cam.com/video/tqgUA44Nd9k/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for very clear guidance.
You are very welcome
loved it jason
Hi Jason,
What About the "Expander/Gate" and "Limiter" section of the compressor panel?
I would really to know more about that...
Check out this video, I've got sections on each of those: th-cam.com/video/H08721S3Z38/w-d-xo.html
Thanks so much for the video.
Great explanation.
In my clip, I was wearing an AirPod. Older gent beside me had good points to add to the discussion.
You can hear me well, how can I easily bring up the volume of his comments.
They are interspersed through to meeting.
Is this solution the best idea, or is there another, considering the sound quality on his part is very weak.
If I do this again, I’ll make sure there is a mic that will pickup all of the participants.
This was at a church men’s group & he is 88 yo with a lot of knowledge.
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
You're welcome! I would try using the compressor and makeup to bring up the other person talking. If that doesn't work well, you can also use audio keyframes or just separate the clips into a new track so that you can boost the gain/volume of his parts. You could leave it in the same track and just make a cut on either side of him talking, then boost the volume for the clip as well.
You could also try the dialogue leveler on the track and choose the option to raise soft /quiet voices. That would be the first things I'd try now that I'm thinking about it more. 😜
Nice tutorial Jason!
Thanks!
This helped a bunch!
Wow! I finally understood what does this dynamics actually do! I had a question though. Other day I was using the limiter audio fx to achieve something similar (boosting low and limiting the peaks). But somehow I ended up with distorted audio. Can limiter cause such an issue? Or maybe I just messed up eq. I will never know since the file couldn't be saved. ( which also led me to your other video of davinchi file not getting saved issue. you are truly a life saver haha! )
Yes - the limiter can distort the sounds it's trying to limit if it is limiting it a lot. I'd try some other tools like the compressor before I'd use a limiter. I'd only use a limiter on my main output, just to catch any high audio levels I may have missed during my edit.
Thanks a lot for explaining!
Awesome as always sir 😁🤘🙏
Thanks Gary!
Always good to know what tools to use to get the audio right Jason.
Thanks for watching!
I didn't understand something basic here: Does the "makeup" slider affect the entire clip, including the loud parts? Does it only work when the limiter is not limiting? You just blew by that in the video. Loved it otherwise, though...
The make up slider essentially makes the quiet parts louder. It does make the whole track louder, but that’s where the compression comes in to play to bring down the loud parts and prevent them from getting too loud. Essentially you’re reducing the dynamic range of the audio. Does that help clarify?
@@JasonYadlovski OK, thanks, so you're saying the compression only reduces the top part of the signal, after the makeup slider expands the entire signal? So, the dynamic range of the quieter parts stays the same (at a higher volume), but the dynamic range of the louder parts is reduced, because of the compression? The quieter parts of the track don't get compressed, because they're not at a high enough volume (even after you applied the makeup slider)?
I think it’s great how you make all this stuff less intimidating for newbs.
Thanks Norman! I do my best to break it down in simple terms. No need to make it more complicated than it already is. 😜
I also think people would like more on the actual capture of audio. Things go so much better if you record the audio correctly.
Thanks
One newbie question:
In version 18.6, in the Deliver Workspace, you can normalize audio for TH-cam for a target Loudness. Would you do that on top of your compressor settings that you describe so clearly in this video here?
Or would those two approaches work against each other?
If I was making a vid for youtube, I'd set all of my loudness levels before I export the video, I wouldn't use the option on the deliver page. Where I would use the option on the deliver page is if I set the loudness for TH-cam, but then also wanted to export it for broadcast and needed -23 LUFS, I'd try using the option in the deliver settings and see how it works out. In my opinion, the option in the Deliver page isn't for getting it right the first time. It's for changing to different loudness levels for different platforms if you need to do that. My opinion could be wrong though...😜
That's the way I understand it. BMD issued a 19 page document that describes several of the version's new features. Look up also "Support for TH-cam and Disney Loudness Standards" in the Control Room. pg 13/14 of "DaVinci_Resolve_18.6_New_Features_Guide.pdf" @@JasonYadlovski
Thank you for that
Thanks for this great advice, very useful info.
I have a question I can't find an answer to. I have a multicam video from a conference with external audio recorded. The audio is not good at all, I edited it, but can't make it good enough, so I gave it to my friend with the recorder, he is an audio professional and he will do his best with the input file. My question is if I edit the video make cuts, etc. and I have remastered audio files, can I replace the files of course with the same name and length and relink them so DaVinci to reload the files without losing the changes I made or at least the cuts.
Hey! Yes, you should be able to replace the files, as long as the file names are the same and the locations are the same. I'd test it first to be sure. You can also just drop in your good audio, then sync it with your camera angles, then select all your audio clips in your timeline and change the audio channels from embedded to the linked audio. I show how to do that in this video th-cam.com/video/1Iz8NIzKyRM/w-d-xo.html
@@JasonYadlovski thank you!
I love the information you give but it would be nice to try along using the same clips. Is there anyway we can access the same files to try these techniques out as we follow you????
Great explanation of the compressor and make up gain. I noticed that with the compressor ON there is a sign if Ian increase in background noise. Any way to compensate for the increase when you raise the lower volume part of the audio or need to use another filter/tool for that?
Thanks! You can also use an expander/gate in combination with the compressor/makeup to help keep the background noise at bay. Something like voice isolation might help too.
Thanks for the explanation!
Question: How do you deal with the background hissing noise that’s so prominent now after bringing the volume up on the quieter parts?
You're welcome! Yes, the wind in the background does creep up too. I'd probably just drop some voice isolation on there at about15%-20% That should reduce it with out getting rid of it completely. I think it would sound strange if all the 'outdoor noise' was gone in this particular clip.
Thanks! Is this the manual equivalent of right-clicking an audio track -> 'Normalize Audio Levels...' ?
No, normalizing doesn't do the same thing. Normalization will just set all of the levels to a certain point (depending on the type of normalization) but when normailzing it won't actually change differences in levels. The levels will all stay the same relative to each other. Normalizing won't do what compression and makeup do - make the quiet parts louder and the loud parts quieter. Hope that makes sense. I might actually make a video on this....
From the Manual, it's says it better than me 😜:
The change made by the Normalize Audio Volume command is only a volume adjustment; no dynamics are applied, so the result of using this command is that the loudest parts of each selected clip are going to match one another at the target level. This command is also available in the Fairlight page.
Can you use both. Normalize and dynamics or is it better to use one or the other?
You can do both. Dynamics utilizes compression and make up gain, whereas normalizing only changes the overall volume without applying any dynamics.
I noticed you mentioned the expander could help with wind noise. Would that also include things like when my mic picks up when I'm taking a breath? A lot of times it's very subtle on my audio waveform, but I can definitely hear it when editing.
I know what the gate does, but will have to see if you have a video out there about the expander.
Thanks for this one, I knew somewhat how the compressor worked, but you filled in a few gaps I didn't realize.
Yes, the expander can totally help in your situation and that’s kind of what it’s built for. I talk about the expander in my first example in this video here if you want to check it out: th-cam.com/video/tqgUA44Nd9k/w-d-xo.htmlsi=3puCr458OVrlocKw
Advice for long form content with multiple different audio sources / tracks?
Separate everything out into it's own track. It will all need to be edited differently - each dialogue/vocal in it's own track, music own track and SFX broken out as much as you need to.
I thought for youtube you almost want it as high as possible without peaking???? isnt minus 10 a bit low?
That’s where Loudness comes into play. You check the loudness at the very end of your audio editing process and make sure it’s just below -14 LUFs. The way you set your levels on each track should be the same, but your loudness may vary, depending on the platform delivering to.
@JasonYadlovski thanks for clearing that up mate
Happy to help! I do have a video about loudness and Chadwick also has a great video about loudness. 👍
@JasonYadlovski I'll check it out thanks
Should I use "normalization" before / after that dynamic range? Or not at all?
It's ok to normalize if you want - that would be the first step in the process. Dynamics would come after that.
@@JasonYadlovski thanks, Jason, since I started content creation never really put any attention to sound. And then I started receiving comments "hey, it's too loud / too quiet / too something". I'll try your tips in my next video, thx for publishing.
What do you use for screen recordings?
Screenflow. Here's a video on it: th-cam.com/video/CKfOJAxmPcs/w-d-xo.html
Hello, how to use Dynamics in individual clips instead of the whole track? I don't see such effect in the list
You can't. You'd need to drop a clip into a new track. You can pretty much have unlimited tracks, so you can set each type of audio up in its own track, because it's going to need different types of audio work anyway.
Does the normalisation in Resolve studio do this same thing?
No, normalization is only an overall volume adjustment, it does not do the same thing as dynamics. I have a video I’m trying to put out about that exact thing today. 😜
Wouldn't the dialog leveler do all of this for you? Thanks!
Kinda. You've got more control using the dynamics, but for a quick fix, you could use the dialogue leveler.
What's the difference between using the DYNAMICS/Compressor and Normalization?
Great question, I made a vide about it but here's the quick version: The change made by the Normalize Audio Volume command is only a VOLUME ADJUSTMENT; no dynamics are applied, so the result of using this command is that the loudest parts of each selected clip are going to match one another at the target level.
very handy!
Thanks for watching!
Is there a software that does this for your automatically?
You can use the dialogue leveler right in DaVinci Resolve. Or just use the compressor, once you set it, it does it automatically.
@@JasonYadlovski I used Alex Butler Audio. Which had the ability to work with da Vinci directly, and there was an audio and a sound effect feature where it would level both your audio and your special effects. Since they discontinue that plug-in, I’m trying to look for a similar software? so far I have been trying to use Waves “Mv.2” which is the compression software where ill limit or raise either the loud parts or the low parts level out the audio similar to what you’re explaining here. I’m having trouble on some audio sounds being too loud or not loud enough. What would you suggest? Thank you sir.
There is an update to Alex Butler Audio, it's called End Boost now. You can check that out. Otherwise, i'd just go through and adjust the levels of the clips, standard audio editing.
Someone please send this to Michael Bay. I cannot watch movies in the theater anymore. Once you get past the pain of paying for tickets and snacks, you have to deal with the pain of loud parts of the movie making your ears bleed and then have to try to hear the quiet whispering dialog through the river of blood pouring out your ears. Seriously, what is up with the dynamic range in action movies?
I have used dynamics in videos in the past, but would like to know how to clean up a crapload of nearby noise in addition to recording far away. I had a video recorded from a cell phone without mics, recorded outside in the summer with a nearby air conditioning unit. I was able to make the dialog audible, but the rest of the scene was a bit of a cluster.
would this also be applicable with longer clips? like around 40-50 mins. i recorded a gameplay with a commentary and the sound of the game was too quiet
Yes, it would work for any length track/clips
I appreciate you tysm
I found "Voice Isolation" and "Dialogue Leveller" are quite CPU taxing, have to disable them when editing. Is there a way to "cache" the results of them?
I don't think so, probably just need more power on your machine. Or just wait until the end of eating to turn them on.
I have as well. I did a video comparing JUST the voice isolation to using clarity vx (thanks Jason!), clarity de-reverb AND soundly placeit. Just the isolation dropped my sampling rate to about 1 sample per 2-3 seconds while all 3 of the plug ins together didn't affect sampling one bit. This is on a 12th gen i9 with 64GB RAM so it's not a slouch.
well they could have given us straight up audio ducking option like in premiere and avid but noooooo compressor limiter.. side chain raawkss 😒
You can totally do auto audio ducking in Resolve, it's been there since version 15 or so. I've got a video on it here: th-cam.com/video/dw88MGM9w0o/w-d-xo.htmlsi=a8WIsMA0NA47qbW_ 😜
It's in there. It isn't labeled "auto duck" or "side chain" so it is easy to miss. I had to look up a video on it because I couldn't find it.
The audio in resolve is mediocre at best. I was cutting a music video, and they gave me their master track… Which, of course was in stereo… And when I put it on the timeline, it gave me a mono track and only one side of the stereo. I had to fiddle and fiddle around to finally figure out how to tell resolve it was a stereo track. How does resolve not know that its stereo on its own. it should automatically recognize the difference between a stereo track and a mono track. When I put it in logic pro, logic, pro immediately knew it was a stereo track. Logic pro blows away resolve when it comes to audio.
In the Fair light page is so convoluted it boggles the mind. Nothing is intuitive.
Interesting, Fairlight should recognize the tracks, I’ve never had a problem where it didn’t recognize a stereo versus mono track. While I’m sure logic pro is better for sure, it sounds like you might just need to spend a little more time in Fairlight learning to really get the hang of working in it. As with the rest of Resolve, it seems like things work differently than they do in programs that people are more familiar with.
9 minuts for a noob compressor use? 😵💫
🤨 you can always fast forward. 😜