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- In a large-scale raid, German police targeted dozens of individuals from the far-right Reichsbürger scene who were suspected of planning a coup. What kind of movement is this - and what threat does it pose to democracy?
We hear from Till Steffen, a member of the German parliament for the Green party; Journalist Tobias Ginsburg, who spent months living under a false identity among Reichsbürger groups; and Lorenz Blumenthaler, a spokesperson for the Amadeu Antonio Foundation, which works against right-wing extremism in Germany.
#Reichsbürger #Coup #FarRight
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Not funny!!!!! Go seek help
Did they actually think their coup would work, that the rest of the country would just accept them? I'm genuinely curious to learn more about this plan because I don't see how it could work.
they wanted to seize the opportunity first corona now war and inflation when the domestic political situation is stable such people have even fewer chances. ps it's just about making a ruckus
Yep, the extreme right is that delusional. Just look at the US, where they cannot understand why they keep losing elections.
It's an old problem. As these groups become more and more extreme, they become more isolated. They lose any sense of how far removed they have become from society as a whole.
Remember, back in the 1970's Germany had the "Red Army Faction", an extremely small group that somehow imagined that a few terrorist acts would lead to a mass popular uprising and a revolution.
You would have to also beat the national army.
Germany does have a army I hope?
they just want attention
The words "You and who's army" comes to mind, As if the German army would just follow them.
well you would have to know the degree of right wing extremism being infiltrated in germany’s law enforment and military since decades now more or less without oversight, to the degree that a few years ago the elite military unite was being dissolved after it was clear it was more or less a training center for those militant right wing extremists, same for the police especially in eastern germany, where raids had been tipped off by insiders etc. it’s not random that those arrested ringleaders were ex military, layers and politicians … they are just the tip of the iceberg.
and not to forget the security service … years back i saw a documentary about such a “Reichsbuerger” group with similar ambitions to overthrough the government violently - in fact it sounded very similar as to what we are hearing now. During raids back then they found detailed architectural layout plans of specific politician’s houses and their security details - information only available to the security service, not to forget that a politician had already been assassinated right in front if his house with a headshot in 2019…so basically this whole thing is not new and brewing since a decade at least…
It's "whose" not "who's." "Who's" means "who is." Also, you should have a period or full-stop after the word "mind." I'm not criticising you, but your English teachers clearly did not do their jobs. I would suggest that you get a grammar book and study basic punctuation. It really is quite easy to master.
@@judhudon6235 great let’s communicate in german, french or portugese next time, i’m sure you’d be perfect in all those languages - NOT. this arrogance of someone barely speaking another language is quite astonishing.
Wouldn't be the first time
If a couple years ago one of my writing students said they wanted to write a fictional story about political extremism and set it in modern Germany and come to me with this plot I would have said to change a little bit to sound less ridiculous... Whoever out there keeps challenging the universe by saying "it couldn't get worse than this", Please stop because apparently the universe is quite imaginative.
Could have been worse... homie 🥸
😂😂😂😂😂I had an idea just as bizarre and then Kanye west happened😂😂😂😂😂😂
Fiction needs to make sense, but reality doesn't have to.
Hoping it becomes worse
Well year u have accepted the world economic forum u will own nothing a be happy
Dear Germany, I'm an Australian and I know hamburgers were major success and they are bloody delicious, but rice burgers are a bit extreme.....🤦♂️
Stay peaceful ✌️
but we need to expand our market reach to asia as well, everyone is doing it!
@@user-kf3rf you want to expand to the east?
Remember how that worked out last time Germany tried?
I'll stick with the hamburgers.
@@JanChrissD yeah, you sucked it of its resources and left
Why are Aussies so relentlessly unfunny?
If you learn from history, and history has a tendency to repeat itself, there was a failed attempt of a coup in Germany that ended with arrests.. Although that one was in Munich.
Plot thickens
Maybe you hit it: to learn FROM history. Maybe learning OF history can break the loop? There's a big difference being 'told', and 'realising'.
At this time there were Like 5 Coups a day in Germany 😂
Berlin is not Weimar
And 99 years, ago.
History is going to repeat it self it won’t be long till Germany has its come back
When Catalan coup plotters were arrested under Europol order from Spain, the German court ruled that plotting insurrection was not a crime in Germany and they were released to go on their way back to Belgium, where they live in a mansion in Waterloo with money from Catalan separatists, the Flemish far right, and from Putin. Therefore, I imagine, if the courts are consistent, they will rule to free all the plotters.
That's not what the ruling was. The ruling was specifically about plotting an insurrection in another country, not germany.
So many questions. What was the plan after they stormed the building? Was Germany going to submit to their ruling order? How were they going to fight the US/NATO forces nearby? What the actual f-*?
Yeah, granted I don’t know much of the details but I can assure you these guys didn’t put much thought into any of those questions
They were going to create a new German military command structure to replace the old one. My guess, though, is that they were more like the January 6th people in that things were not well thought out.
they saw how NATO humiliated itself in Kabul and thought they would defeat NATO, and they probably would.
@@unconventionalideas5683 To put it mildy. They had no idea. I also think that we are soon to dicouver that there are strong links to the Putinistas of Moscow and the world that saw a opening trying to test the strenght of an elected democracy
“All you need is a taste for violence, and a dream!”
I can't believe I'm living in 2022 with all the crazy things happening😂
Exactly.!!!
Hang on ,it's fixing to be a very bumpy Ride,just the beginning
Someone hasn't read their European history.
It's just teaser, not even the trailer. Wait for whole movie. I am waiting for the day when non European countries will start lecturing, pointing out things at them and they will start mass suppression of voices against them.
It will happen.
....calendars do not control people's behaviour....
I am sure that behind all this is mainly Kreml money - so one should never underestimate these things and always take quick and decisive action
I was choked by coke today. It must be Kremlin machinations. When westerners can't defend themselves, easy,blame Kremlin!
in fact the kreml is partly financing germans far right party AfD
International money, Kremlin do what it can, but americans as always do more, I mean, their extremists groups which are plenty.
MOney and consulting.
Yes, Like Germany funded Lenin during WW1
Smells like a false flag
Sure does.
One question: If those extremists were taking a building, does that mean they took over the country? Sounds like a video game.
It's just media, it is not as dramatic as it was
@@danesha4705 shut it yes it is, the trying to summon Ohio
They are a small group , but they might have supporters , the far right people in Germany might be millions . Look at Trump who had 74 millions voters choosing him as president in the latest election .
It's not just the building, it would also be the parliament. I don't think anyone (other than the nutters themselves) truly believes they could have succeeded.
But they were willing to try and if the intelligence and police forces failed to prevent the attack, it would have been a literal bloody disaster.
The danger is not in them succeeding, but the damage they do in their failures.
The building in question was the Higher Supreme Sovereign Ministry for Taking Over the Country Building (HSSMTOCB - I would type it in German but I would run out of consonants!), If this had been breached all Germany would have fallen to the new Empire, and possibly Europe beyond, apparently!?!
I don't think 25 people are enough to do a Coup D'etat.
....but Russia said Europe's democracy is sooooo brittle, and anyway with the sanctions that's all they could afford, they are a bit tied up in Ukraine at the minute!?!
There were 50 suspects. It's also just the tip of the iceberg. Apparently they had more ties with military personnel stationed in Berlin not yet arrested. I'm sure these initial arrests are the tip of a very deep iceberg.
These aren't just random people though.
They wanted to storm the Bundestag and for that 25 people are enough and they have around 40 000 supporters in Germany....
There's around 20.000 Reichsbürger and even more right wing extremists in general so it's hardly just 25 people. Those are just the ones arrested today.
Weimar problems need Weimar solutions
restore the kaiser
Stimme zu
Congratulations to the police and authorities who caught these nutters.
Be nice if they could have a trial
USA..Watch and learn
You are a [REDACTED]
@@davidnoelfranks1124 don't insult them like that, these are more like stasi but even gayer
@@davidnoelfranks1124 ..for ursula von pfizer and WEF and nazy Klaus Schwab
We don’t need to be tolerant of intolerance.
lol lame
@Philosophy_First The OP? Yeah probably.
Lol tape recorder is speaking
Yes we do. We do not have the divine right to say tolerance is the right way forward
So far, zero evidence of any wrongdoing. Maybe they could have a trial
It's baffling how many people in the comments think that people arming themself and planning to overthrow a democratic elected goverment are just people with different opinions who did nothing wrong at that point.
We're living in dangerous times, it feels everyday for the past decade has been an ongoing global fight against supporters such fringe movements.
What did they actually do?
gangs and mobs want to rule the masses. Just like Putin and Xi and Khamenei
Not really when you look at european history. Was always to fragmented for the unification dream.
Do you see the problem with calling the German regime democratic when the masses of ordinary working-class people openly hate it? (As is the case for every Western democracy today.)
"In a hundred years time, perhaps, a great man will appear who may offer them (the Germans) a chance at salvation. He'll take me as a model, use my ideas, and follow the course I have charted."
-A.H, 1935
Looks like we're running ahead his predicted time here...
Things will likely get interesting once the authorities start going through emails, text, etc.
Most probably not, it's a storm in a tea cup, or as Google indicates the equivalent German saying is "....aus einer Fliege einen Elefanten machen" how they get an Elephant into it is beyond me!?!
yeah there will no doubt be higher ups that backed the coup. There's just no way that a group of 25 would attempt something like this without assurances and support from influential people
Tip of the iceberg.
@@thomasherrin6798 its "aus einer Mücke eine Elefanten machen" and it means that you make Things Sound Like they are bigger than they are, Like a mosquito is way smaller than an Elefant
An age old problem. The police and military, who are trained in the use of force, attract those that may be far removed from democratic principles. They need to be policed and learn to recognize and vet out the threat from within its ranks.
Kinda hard to vet out patriots. No one wants to fight a nation that they belief is being ruined by politicians.
@@what-oy8il It's easy. A patriot is loyal to his country, to its constitution and its people, and *NOT* to some politician, especially not to one who seeks to engineer a coup to become a king!!
@@George-2115 well current government doesn't seem to care about its citizens. Only money, profit. Whole system is flawed.
@@what-oy8il Capitalism.
@@what-oy8il always in their favour always
If it was a real threat, the entire operation would most likely have been kept secret. The fact that it is all over the news suggests that the threat was small enough to crush and a useful little drama to counter the popular movement towards the right
This is just setting a precedence to arrest people for wanting to stop the manufactured hardships at EU's door.
We are only going to hear the german govt point of view here.
One thing I never hear is the culpability of the current elites. Right-wing extremism contains horrible ideas based on ultra nationalism and prejudice. But, if people were content with their lot in life these ideas would be hard to spread. Economic inequality being the prime motivator of discontent. When republics only act the will of the elites and not the welfare of the people, extremism grows like a tumor.
Marx is brain cancer... But incredibly, this is the first comment I've read that makes sense. Everyone else is praising the government and failing to question the extraordinarily biased narrative presented here.
King "Marx"
Reichsbürger are not really victims of an evil and oppressive system. They chose to idealize and old, evil and oppressive ideology. They literally pretend that Germany, as it is now, doesn't exist, but live from all the benefits our system provides the people in need of support. Reichsbürger are nothing more than Cancer. And if Germany haven't gotten so tolerant, the Reichsbürger might have been executed already.
Well said!
@@jjr1728 so far, far Left elements are way worse than their right-wing counterparts.
That's exactly why Russia must be stopped, and held accountable for its action. It's a huge threat for the democracy across the globe
Putin likely had a hand in this
Actually I think wokeism is the biggest threat. Unjustified promotion of minorities - everything from gays to immigrants seem to be given priority over hard working citizens, who are then demonised by the left with pejorative epithets. When people feel alienated and silenced in their own country, why be surprised by this.
The west talked about forming a parallel Russian Govt in exile.
Russofobic much?
@@916Pashok well if the shoe fits wear it, Everyone should have Russophobia
Dont let them write any book while in prison
................or do any paintings
Seriously! 😂
@@gordonnorris6991 actually better they are successful at art.
No weird moustaches and hand signals either!
@@jeremywvarietyofviewpoints3104 🤣
They are true germans
You're true. The EU wants to replace us.
Mission failed... don't worry boys, we'll get them next time!
They may have had a half-baked coup plot, but I can think of another rebel who started the same way...
Ohio
Lenin
Trump? He isn't a rebel. Just a spoiled prick.
A certain amateur painter from Braunau am Inn?
The "Tangerine Palpatine"
Germany: Oh no! We’ve been down this road before! We are not letting it happen a second time!
Errr someone needs to sit through history again
@@zulu505 naah, you need to learn about the Beer Hall Putsch, so you understand the parallelism.
@@zulu505 1923. Beer Hall Putsch. Look it up.
Lame. Nobody needs to look back to 1923. How about January 6th 2020?
@@karlkarlos3545 cringe
Wow if it happened in the US half of congress would be in jail 😳
And trump will be head of this movement
Yeah I don't know about that chief, remember Jan 6th.
This has to be sarcasm.
Yah, the Republican half.
It would be AMAZING
Half of those arrested are members of the Bundeswehr. These guys are serious and long term thinkers. And my brother-in-law, a head of a large village garage in Tauchlitz, east Thuringia, openly refers to himself as a Reichsürger. He has tremendous influence in the local community as he repairs their cars! What he says goes.
Just a friendly reminder that the head of the afd in thuringia is a fascist and still gets 20+% votes
He sounds pretty cool.
@@TaK3ReflexzZz ...if 'cool' means 'dangerous'...
...then YES...! ☹
@@deeznutz8320 why ?
@@TaK3ReflexzZz cringelord
They lacked a disenfranchised Austrian guy to get them over the line.
Bravo.
Oh they had one austrian
But he was still in austria and useless
@@suides4810 yea, they got him before he was throghn out of art shool. Hope he doesn't write a manifest while in detention.
Would ya settle for a Chinese communist?
@@suides4810 He was rejected from art school too
I finish a video from Peter Zeihan talking about trade and economic conditions very similar to the 1930s, with him emphasizing that those of us who have studied those times know how that worked out. I look at my feed from DW and see this. That’s enough internet for the day.
Oh I hear you there buddy! 😂
Some of the things happening these days are like watching a Hollywood action movie!
I saw Peter’s video, as well. Iran already sent a suicide drone into an oil tanker a few days ago. Many of Peter’s predictions, many pre-COVID, are coming to fruition. No wonder he’s hunkered down in the mountains of Colorado.
نطالب السلطات الألمانية بضبط النفس وضمان محاكمة عادلة لقادة المعارضة عقب فشل المحاولة الانقلابية مع ضرورة احترام حق التظاهر السلمي في مختلف المدن الألمانية
Yes, we all know how that worked out. And we can see similarities, it's a bit of an unstable period we have entered. BUT, there is also massive, massive differences from the world back then to the world we have now as well. I have listened to Peter Zeihan before, and althoug some predictions come true, we must not also forget to count all that do not, there are usually many more of those!
Seems like Germany still hasn’t gotten over its past yet.
How come there’s limited coverage of this? Only seen y’all and BBC cover this… where’s the American news companies?
this article is one sided. People dont want to be a part of Germany. Its rather evil to keep them like that. Germany is just behaving like the English here. Keeping people as pets who dont want to be kept as pets.
They're afraid it'll give people ideas. And we don't want them doing that!
Germany just destroyed itself. Energy prices will finish what remains of Germany. Fighting for energy independence with greater dependency maybe I skipped that class but it's never too late to learn.
Hey you caught them before the coup good job Germany.
Ha Ha Ha Their "coup" has been "ready" for some decades, its false alarm, Think WEF . . and you get it
Better than the imminent raids on beer halls throughout the country.
This is clearly a piss poor attempt at clamping down on dissent or you’re simply a bot. Reichstag fire of the century
@@Cha4k Nah ,the cold isnt that harsh
@@Cha4k now russia can starve in the Winter in ukraine
Wow if i had a nickel for every coup d'etat attempt foiled today, id have two nickels, which isnt a lot but its weird it happened twice right?
Where? Germany and.. ?
@@Fabii2000 Peru?
@@corvo4012 nice
its not a coup attempt its a plot
@spiderman no way home< a 75 old grandfather gonne be a dictator...lolol ok..
God bless those men
At least in Germany the conspirators go the jail. In Brazil they still in the roads blocking them.
People who resort to violence are always dangerous, regardless of how "lofty" their political goals are. The goals are always lofty from their perspective in order to "justify" their violence. But we live in a civil society. We have basic agreement on civility.
Laws only exist to maintain the status quo. If you're goal is to change that status quo then you must be willing to break the law.
Both the far left & far right.
Well said
@@catdogmousecheese bs. Laws are updated and reviewed all the time.
Dangerous only to those in power: racism, apartheid, for example - outrageous accepted social norms where peaceful pushback was brutally repressed. Challenging norms through discourse has a spotty success rate over centuries and longer. Violence isn't the answer, but has been shown as a tool. See Ukraine now. Jaw, jaw, jaw, not war, war, war, said Churchill. Civility is a 2-way street, and not always available from both sides.
This must be the Joke of the Century,
Deploying 3000 officers for 25 lunatics.
Censorship protects you from the bad people, we do it because we care about you so much.
- The Government
SPD is a communist party. We hate the social democrats.
"Reichburger" sounds like a german mcdonalds
Bürger means Citizen
@@smileyhelps Godzilla Would make the Bürgers of Germany into an actual burger. I wonder if human burgers would taste good, not sure if german meat would be very tasty probably too chewy.
This is the tip of the iceberg!!! Scary. He said, "The thinking" is widespread and that cannot be contained. I am sure the Intelligence knows lot more, does not want to divulge all its cards for now. The biggest fear is this "thought" is and will be endemic not just in Germany but around the neighboring countries; it will be hard to surmount this Thinking in day and age of digital world.
I think you're exactly right. It's a worldwide issue.
Thought crime 😅
The looney right (and left) is a worldwide issue but a miniscule threat, they can flare up in relatively small numbers for a number of hours but are easily dealt with!?!
controlling people's thinking is the last thing you want to do
Thought police??
Germany being Germany, I don't know why people created this ridiculous idea that Germany was some soort of magical place where nothing bad ever happens and everyone is well behaved and smart... But looking at germany's history that is not what we see
Canada didn't take the "truckers" seriously, but during arrests found murder plots against the Federal RCMP police members,. We had to find the people who were organizing, working with former military, police members to create enough chaos to overthrow our Federal Gov't.
USA obviously had several groups who each seemed to pen several weapons EACH. Jan 6 barely made it through without quite a few people shot, killed, hung. Police who were battered, a few died, and yet some members of Congress STILL back those so-called "militias".
MEVER underestimate the people who believe in conspiracies.
Your comment has zero in common with reality.
"democracy" just like our "democracy" here in the UK i'm sure 😂
😂😂😂 UK sinking too
@@CYRUS313 the whole world is sinking 😂
@@SpikeyOfficial I am looking for Noah's Ark 😭😂😭
@@CYRUS313 been looking for years, still haven't found it 😂😂😂
January 6th could never have been pulled off. This is much more serious in regards to its preparation, organization and intent.
Preparation and organization, but not intent. Jan 6th intent was clear.
Considering the cops let them in the building
On the other hand the US has many more fire arms per capita than Germany, and those that the people have are probably of higher caliber, higher rates of fire, etc.
Stop saying "January 6th" like there was anything significant about it
@@TheMahayanist Ha Ha Ha 🤣🤣🤣🤣
There is no prison big enough, strong enough, secure enough to stop what is coming!! We are all around you, Without you even realizing. The truth will prevail
0:58 So far it sounds like any political group. Meetings, organized... even weapons for body guards... you make it sound different than all the other legitimate political parties, but so far I don't hear it. So they wanted a king! Let's see... UK has one, Denmark, Netherlands, Sweden.... Still not seeing the problem here. Oh, they reject democracy? Doesn't democracy by principle allow the people to decide whether or not they want democracy? Or have you enshrined Democracy as a god and are bowing down to that single principle? Or is it freedom that you really value, but only for your team when you are in power. Lock down the other team and everyone we can, except our buddies. We stay in charge and keep freedom. Oh, yeah, get rid of those pesky farmers who have strong opinions about fairness and equal treatment for all Germans. Can't have those radicals still lingering after we lock down the next German authoritarian state under the dictatorship of Klaus Schwab. It's Switzerland's turn to unite the German speaking countries. We did it last time. Let' the Swiss have a crack at ruling the world, since we failed miserably.
Sure, just your average political party assassinating people and preparing mock trials to execute the members of the government and the media, which is not listed as a political party and wanted to take over the nation by force. Actual that sounds more like a terrorist group if you phrase it like that.
Can’t wait for the upcoming best selling novel by this prince dude
meine Krone
@@wom_Bat Heil Kaiser.
A coup attempt in Germany might have taken the shape of an ordinary hostage taking at one or several of the German Government buildings that the conspirers had in mind. There is of course no doubt that the conspirers would never have been successful of actually seizing power in Germany. We are talking about 25 conspirers against the backdrop of hundreds of thousands of police officers as well as women and men of the German armed forces. That is about the extent to which this might have gone. Thank you very much and enjoy your evening 🇩🇪🇺🇲🇪🇺🇨🇵
You think it's 25 lol 😆 they haven't even made a dent
The point is not that anyone believes they can overthrow the government. They are targeting specific people such as ministers and plan violent attacks on them. Some of those Reichsbürger may have access to confidential information that would allow them to go through with that.
@@elrafa5845 They say it is 25 insurgents in a country with over 80 million citizens obviously won't go a long distance in any event. Thank you very much and enjoy your evening 🇩🇪🇺🇲🇪🇺🇨🇵🇨🇦
@@kerstin3267 Exactly what I said random hostage taking of high level German officials very much in the nature of the Bader Meinhoff Group a few decades back. So rather than calling them insurgents they are essentially a domestic terrorist gang entirely regardless of their political motivation or aspiration. In any event would be very good for the German Government to fully investigate Alternative fuer Deutschland and Bjoern Hoecke in particular for glorifying what happened during the Second World War so from that perspective it is truly wonderful that the German Federal police managed to fold this gang today. Thank you very much and enjoy your evening 🇩🇪🇺🇲🇪🇺🇨🇵
There are over 20,000 Reichsbürgers and 100,000 right-wing extremists in Germany. They basically tried to chop off the head with this move but there are others.
If a reporter is telling you someone is an extremist, you should be very wary of their message.
Reporters are more reliable than TH-cam commenters
Y'all are starting the 21st century beer hall incident, instead of working this out peacefully with negotiations and diplomatically with this group...instead of treating them like straight out criminals to ignore. Martyrs are now forming...
funny how DW is silent on Scholtz kissing Xi and Putin's rings
rich people in cities are all problems...
the nearst to truth we will ever get is 'rich people telling middle class people what to think and why its the poor's fault'
all countries. all parties. all goverment types. all relegions. same Truth.
So you’re a communist? How is that not an extremist ideology?
@@CoreyStudios2000 missed the point... started a fight and claimed victory while wrong.
please keep proving your humanity. i forgive you too.
All religions are not the same. Jesus Christ saves, he died on the cross, and rose again 3 days later. Come unto Christ for eternal life is found in him, truth, and justice
@@mettlesomeknight9018 Matt 6:6... practice what you preach show love not dogma.
@spiderman no way home< a 75 old grandfather gonne be a dictator...lolol ok.. so they have done nothing, so how can they be jailed???
But why are the focus there?
Are it not a judge there also?
What do this mean for the ones that have come to the court of this person/judge?
They heard there was a good new German beer brewing in that building.
I am really depressed about this, the Reich's Burger always had the best french fries. (couldn't resist)
Mmmm nothing burgers… 😋
I preferred their Hamburgers and Frankfurters.
Currywurst sounds worse than a Reichsburger they thought.
Bürger, not Burger! First means a Citizen, 2nd is to eat🤣
yep they fries French the best with their panzers 😂😂the fourth reich😂😂
Reichsburgers sound delicious. I take 2 with fries and a coke.
Their allies are The French fries, the Swiss chocolates and Viennese whirls
I am grateful to DW English service and the informed guests they have gathered for this segment. I am going to post this link to all my political representatives. *We in the US should learn from the German example and from this intelligent analysis of the roots of the problem.*
The remarks about the goal of extremists in government are out to make your government ridiculous and erode the respect it has struck home. Unfortunately in our two party system we have most of one party controlled by the adherants of a ridiculous hateful ideology.
Right on, Eric.
How many political representatives do you have?
Problem though is Germany has strict Gun Laws. The U.S. doesnt. Armed Right wingers in the US may go 1861 all over again.
usa dont have royalty so it woud be moot point
There are some people who believe that you can take control of a whole country by simply attacking the physical building where laws are made!
Remember that there are dozens of these groups out there. And every one is dangerous.
Probably just as dangerous as the government they oppose.
Dangerous? Sure potentially but as we saw they aren’t exactly smart.
The most dangerous of these groups is by far the extremist green-leftist one, currently governing Germany.
What, proof? We seem to be only taking the Government word for it. This is no different to Soviet and China purging all dessent.
What different is this to the Iran and Chinese dissenters on the streets, who are clearly doing illegal and criminal action in their country.
Apparently you doesn’t need to be smart either to believe in this BS governmental psi-op.
Great job by the security forces! God bless Germany!
None of this would have happened if germany won the war
Hopefully the German Security Forces will now stay ever vigilant! This is not the end i fear because no doubt more pro-Putin far right coup attempts will spring up in Europe.
Police brutality.. M.
I can't believe anyone would think this is possible to pull off... I mean, seriously?
Perhaps that's a hint that we're not being told the truth. Or perhaps they were actually just dumb. I've never met a German that I'd say was in any way dumb, though...
Why do Americans and Britain's always exaggerate little issues like that?
If they’re like the American Q demographic, they pose the biggest threat to Walmart scooters.
They are exactly like theme. They are nuts
Nuts flakes and the rest is fruit.
We have neither walmart nor scooters in our shops.
Germany should investigate and apprehend Q.
well their leader has an actual prince of germany that was in charge xD (he is a decedent aand may not legally be a prince but still uses the title crowned prince) LOL
The most impressive coup was done by Gaddafi. There was an opera at Covent Garden with music from ADF that told the story. One Sufi leader and 16 unarmed followers turned up in a beat up Volkswagen and took over a radio station and declared Gaddafi as leader. The coup had been arranged by the West to install a new puppet ruler and Gaddafi just sneaked in ahead of him and switched places.
Then in England there is King Alfred. Defeated by the pagan Vikings he had to hide in a swamp near Glastonbury. His army had run away and was lost in the mist. He entered a hovel and an old woman said he could stay the night if he looked after her cakes that were cooking by the fire. He forgot and burnt the cakes. He had a dream that he should blow a horn and rally his troops in the mist. The next day he blew his horn and 300 of his troop found him. They attacked the Viking army of around 3,000 and defeated them. It took a hundred years but the Vikings were defeated.
They got them quick. How about those who sexually abused women on New Years Eve two years in a row? Any progress on that?
A moderate government is always the safest, in other words, do not go too left and do not go too right. If you go too left, you awoke the far right and visa versa. Germany is too left at the moment. Look at Sweden with their gun violence. Many Germans are worried about the borders are too open. Take note Olaf Scholz.
That's probably true, the AFD would probably never have come into existence if the CDU hadn't moved so far to the left at the time.
Nah, it's not left by any means. What you want is for to become even more right. So yeah, no wonder you're resurrecting fascism again
This movement existed for decades. The conspiracy theories that fueled this coup attempt existed since pretty much the end of the third reich. But yeah, keep blaming it on the leftists, sounds reasonable for sure lmao.
German government being too far left... what a funny joke.
Immigrants.
Democracy must be defended every day
democracy might be flawed, but the alternatives, are worse, from imperialistic totalitarian autocrats, theocratic lunatics, or just plain mad men with delusions of grandeur, the world has seen enough, and while the Imperium of Man might provide means of uniting humanity, the cost is beyond our power to pay, mostly because will all be dead,
Sometimes, what’s called democracy isn’t. Most people want consistency and good infrastructure.
@@RebeccaOre I really want to see the US finally ditch the BS and elect a full-blown populist and that starts re-writing the Constitution,
An extremist out of control government provokes counter reactions which are extreme as well.
The current german government is about as "extremist" as a slice of stale toast. Olaf Scholz managed to get elected by being the most boring option available.
@@darthplagueis13 The reason for this false flag operation is clear now. Again they use this to attack our liberties. Just read that the government wants to restrict gun laws.
This more an reaction to todays politics are in the globalization and dont care about their own people and land and people getting more and more fed up with this type of politics, this can just be start if the local gouverments starts to care of their own people and infrastructure, high taxes etc.
a 21st century Kaiser was their goal - lol at them
Just as the American mob wanted a new Mad King George.
You do know when the National Socialist government started arresting people from their homes because they may pose a danger to Germany in 1930's.
Curious who they had picked for the new leader?
UK has the same system of Government the real Germans what so get off your misinformation kick
If German elections were free and fair, this would have never happened.
Americans in the comments talking about food.
Hamburger is the word for someone from Hamburg.
Americans are best at being ignorant.
Are you telling me every time I've been to McDonald's I've been eating germans? 🤢
I find the story to be somewhat suspect. One minute the talking heads are making fun of this group and claiming how goofy they are, the next these plotters are Baba Yaga. No, this story smells -almost like a German version of the American democrats January 6th.
Full respect must be paid to the woke government agenda or else such extremists who criticise must be removed. That is how the Greens speak!
One might even say they like socialism, on a national level, almost like National Socialism
@@user-li4zo5gf1o a nation is a racial grouping according to national socialism. A nation that lets foreigners mingle it into diversity ceases to be a biological nation
The Human mind can be fooled 24 7
Tribalism and personal fear
Can take root
This is why Democracy and open Governance is Key
Lol stop smoking the good stuff
Does Germany have democracy? No way would the Govt use this as an excuse to censor and purge?
The points you just made are themselves endangered enabled by democracy. It doesn't work. You'll always have people that are pissed off.
Germans being replaced by colored people is not key
Is it November 8-9, 1923 over there? It seems like this has happened before.
This is some "History not repeating, but rhyming" stuff.
... and they say Germans don't have a sense of humour.
Scared for Germany, especially in a time during Inflation and Economic Crisis, this events might become more common, people might get more angry.
Not really…
@@Fabii2000 sure!
This doesnt make sense they dint seem to have the enough backing to even pull this off seems like a smoke show to me
Americas greatest fear. A new Germany that stand side by side with Russia 😂
I can't take this idea of right-wing extremism being this huge threat seriously if we're not also going to talk about left wing extremism an stop trying to label extremism to a political party and use it as a fear tactic
Lol we recently where I live had a right winger lose an election and tried to go on a mass shooting spree. The right is the threat.
An attack on the Bundestag or some other kind of political body may of been possible , but the notion this group of people could somehow get the entire army , police and political infrastructure to side with them is just not plausible.
It its similar to when ISIS would perform attacks in Europe, their followers would claim they wanted to install a caliphate but that would never happen due to it just not being possible without a much larger force.
They seem to believe that the government and everything else is just oppressing the people in some grand conspiracy. Maybe they thought others would join them.
And, ever since, IN they've come, and continue to do so... 💦
I think that as long as stations like DW are mainstream in Germany it will be fine. If Germany starts down the path that we are on in the US... January 6th is still fresh to me.
@@gont183 Mainstream is ARD and ZDF and they are even more left-wing
It is the excuse needed to stifle the voices of dissent.
People cannot clearly discern reality anymore. The world has become far too complex for us. It's overwhelming, frightening and impersonal. Our brain tries to reduce and categorize to get a simpler reality, a reality we can define, but this response is not aligned with the demands of a modern democracy. There's too much noise, too many sharks in the water, too many choices and things that require our full attention to keep tabs on. Simply put, we were not built for this, and there's no shortage of agendas that are keenly aware of this fact and use it for their own nefarious reasons.
I wouldn't be surprised if this downward spiral has almost nothing to do with ideological specifics, and almost everything to do with a brain that's looking for a way out.
That's a good take explains why the world feels crazier and why people are acting crazy on both sides of politics.
Not everyone needs a way out. It's complex because we created it to be complex. Resorting to violence is never an answer. Never!
Sheep mentality comment right here 🤡🤡🐑🐑
@@madclone84 Ye 2024!
@@madclone84 Thank you for so aptly describing your own comment for us.
Love the way the dramatic s of the news reporter lolol😅
Unless there is more than 26 of these coup plotters i just do not see this having any chance of success. Infact its really quite ludicrous to even imagine that so few people would be a threat. You need to have military backing and at some popular civilian support. I dont know what was happening here but it comes off as very suspicious in my mind.
A local and national initiative for Germany.
What's the dangerous threat you ask, it's the idea and thoughts they would plant into the minds of people. Well I think they move to late, the idea is out there...
Even worse, how can a country calling itself proudly democratic have such cracks? They weren't nobodies they had connections.
The dangerous threat is an armed coup and a civil war which could turn into a guerrilla war where innocent civilians get killed and infrastructure destroyed in bombings. I'd say they did a great job in preventing that.
@@JT-ev8sd With 25 people? Get real...
@@Suriel08 it was only 25 and they had 3000 cops arrest them???
@@JT-ev8sd Yes. Even if they were the key people, no real threat.
A very unexpected and surprising development !
Maybe for people who are not part of the german speaking world. We are aware of these weirdos for quite a while now :P
lol everyone knew
Germany sinking
Sadly I'm not at all surprised.
It's a sign the left is dieing.....😍
They'll be better off with a new government like most of Europe.
Of course they should be taken seriously, and must thoroughly analyze the reasons that brought this result. We saw that in Greece with "Chrysi Avgi - Golden Dawn" after the economic crisis hit Greece...
I swear I've seen a Countryballs comic about this like a decade ago.
If 20 boomers with a couple guns are a threat to your government, you deserve to be toppled lol
Reichsburger? I prefer a Big Mac myself.
They really trying to do this again?
In my opinion this is a scam. The "Reichsbürger" have been there for decades,
in the FRG as early as 1950 at least.
In the 1920s there were movements to restore the Kaiserreich Deutschland,
others wanted to restore a Königreich Deutschland. There were people calling
themselves Kaisertreue and Königstreue all over the place in Germany. This
did not change much from 1933 to 1945. Yes, there were people who did not
agree with the NS regime because they wanted their Kaiser or König back and
opposed the NS regime because it was not the old feudal fascism but
something new.
The "Reichbürger" movement is not a uniform movement like the NS regime
formed the SA, SS, Wehrmacht and several other organizations or the NSDAP
itself. There are factions in the "Reichsbürger" movement. Until today they
have no consensus about what they want back because there are three options:
- NS regime
- Kaiserreich Deutschland
- Königreich Deutschland.
And there are those people who do not kow what they want exactly but they know
what they want to get rid of and that is the FRG.
All of them have one opinion in common: They think the FRG is a scam, a fraud,
has no legitimacy and is not a state or nation and the democratic political
system of the FRG is a total fraud.
There are millions of people in Germany who agree with that but do not want to
change anything or do something about it because they don't want any trouble.
There have been other movements for decades, for example the
"Königreich Deutschland" movement.
Calling the "Reichsbürger" movement far right or extreme right in a political
sense is totally correct. Many of them have firearms, not just one but
several.
Many of them are waiting for the opportunity to take over. That is right. But
they are no immediate threat and they don't want to be because they know they
would stand a chance. So they are waiting. This is going on for decades and
nobody cares.
So, why now this arousement and ado? Yes, that's what call it. There is no
real base for alarm or alert. Yes, they have weapons, yes, they want another
political system. Yes, they are willing to use brute force when the time is
right.
But they all know the time is not right as long as the FRG is part of NATO and
EU and as long as there are no huge riots all over the place of which they
could take advantage.
Therefore there is no immediate threat or even some danger.
So, why now?
If it is not a total scam, then it is something personal. Somebody working in
and for the system FRG has personal issues with some of the "Reichsbürger"
movement.
Think about this:
They exist since the first days of the FRG at least and nobody cared until
now.
How come?
Doesn't a certain suspicion come up?
Are we allowed to think that there are connections between the authorities
and the movement - at least some concerning personal connections?
I am sure there are some if not many.
My first impression upon hearing that 25 people were arrested for planning a putsch was "It's a weak government that can be overthrown by 25 zealots."
That was the first hint that something is wrong with the story. I've never met a dumb German - they're scary smart people - but I'm supposed to believe they were so dumb they thought they could take over the country with 25 people? I'm trying to learn more, but it looks fishy to me.
Nazism started rather small itself. Far right nativists are a threat in every country. Their views are narrow, politics extreme, and penises are small. So extremism is their only chance to gain control.