Dr Chilton makes sense in a quiet way that suggests his only agenda is to examine what can be found and suggest what is most likely. Jacob, your questions are astute and help lead all of us on a journey through Chilton’s years of research. Kudos.
Thank you Dr Chilton, thank you Jacob. Very, very interesting discussion. Dr Chilton has some unique and fascinating theories. The earlier death of the Baptist is especially eye opening. Such a chronology would give time for a much longer ministry of Jesus. Amazing episode keep up the good work gentlemen!!
Chilton is wonderful. "John the Purifier" is a great nomenclature. Imagine the mamzer Jesus seeking to ne "reborn" (ie in the right way, or righteous way) through John's baptismal ritual. Of course, all this is plausible in the eschatological crisis that levels all social distinctions, the baptism of fire. Later Christians will apply this lesson to martyrdom.
29:10 Agreed Herod didn't wait to act on the criticism -- but we don't have any way of knowing when John criticized the marriage. For that matter, John may have been saying things like that for 10 years but he maybe hadn't developed a large enough following yet for anyone to actually notice. Also, people make political criticisms like this for years and decades after the transgression -- people still bring up Monica Lewinsky when criticizing the Clintons, for instance.
Let us not forget that the Church is a powerful social institution. There are lots and lots of "Christians" who attend church and talk the talk because it is the socially and politically correct thing to do. They know little about the actual Jesus or the Bible, they never will, and they really don't want to.
He was learning. The guy was teaching and learning and teaching and learning... then he flew around he also raised dead people, the guy was fixing what his father couldnt do thats why they rested on sunday cause they were shopping on SHABBAT for department store sales... YES SIR PORK CHOPS ON SALE..ITS NOT WHAT YOU PUT IN BUT WHAT COMES OUT SAID THE FAKER PAUL WHO NEVER MET THE GUY BUT MADE A BUSINESS OUT OF HIM....PAUL WAS GAY THEY SAY...JESUCKS SAID HE IS NOT GOOD HIS FATHER CREATED SINFUL PEOPLE AND MARY WAS A ROMAN SEX TOY. WHAT A MOVIE THIS MAKES. THINK OF ALL THE BOOKS YOU CAN SELL.
I liked Bruce's term 'metabolize.' It clarified to me the process of animating the oral and written word of God into the person of Jesus; ultimately into ME! "Identification of the beloved disciple" with Christ is the kingdom of God in me.
I am 72 , studied History for 60+ years , Nam vet , been to 30+ Nations & believed God was for the weak minded who needed a crutch . I was wrong . CREATOR called me when I was 28 , just out of the Army . CREATOR has saved my life 8 times in Life & Death situations , I have interacted with Angels a few times & seen CREATOR bring a dead man back to life , & many other miracles . CREATOR is Cool , fun & Gloriously Holy . You would like HIM if you got to know HIM , HE is Awesome beyond words . You are not just smart monkeys , you are eternal beings that choose where you are going to spend Eternity , With CREATOR or Separate from CREATOR , choose wisely ! Prayers
That is not Creator, dear, that is KARMA, what you have done, good or bad will surely come to you. This is not a miracle, not the deed of any god. THATWAMASI = THAT THOU ART.
That is - reap what you sow . Karma is a lower order of understanding , it is incomplete , a worldly understanding , but keep searching and you will get there . At least you are searching!@@show-n5z
The other day I was watching “The Last Dance,” the documentary about Michael Jordan and the Chicago Bulls, and I was amazed at how much Dennis Rodman’s voice reminded me of Jacob Berman’s. The two guys don’t have too much else in common as far as I can tell.
If God himself could pop into middle eastern earth and say hi then he could have popped by several times after that to clarify his thoughts and edicts and provide many more miracle because hey, who doesn’t need more miracles !( especially ones that can be verified and long evidenced as such).
Things are routinely "generally assumed" among biblical scholars. It is the central failure of the field. "Biblical scholarship" as a field will probably die out without fixing it.
@@afwalker1921Lol, Titus was the Chrestus author of All biblical scripture,the Gospels contradict each other, different Jesus's Titus slaughtered, Jesus just means saviour in Greek, Titus called all rebellious leaders Jesus, satire,Titus says after Sodom and Egypt where THEIR lord was crucified, KJV Satanic translation says where OUR lord was crucified, Titus was Ra Sol the creator, why he gave them Sol to worship on the 25th December when the Sun of God resurrects again after 3 days, Titus's satire, Titus Flavius Augustus Clemens, they dropped the Augustus because Augustus is from the Latin word Augur, which means foretell, prophesize, they've also recently changed their names from Clemens to Sabinus 1, 2 and 3, absolutely ridiculously pathetic, Titus's uncle was At Flavius Clemens,14 Pope Clements from the HOLY Roman Empire, Saints.
Lol, "Bob" Dobbs is Slackmaster, Saint of Sales, author of discounts, Only Son of Woitan. If you are having trouble with your cashflow, it's because your cash is NOT flowing towards "Bob"...@@tyronecox5976
@@TywysogCraig no, no, it's true. You had something called a Rabban, but that is basically "the highest official authority of the time". This was Rabban Shimon Ben gamliel, the president of the Sanhedrin at the time of the revolt. This is not the same as being the high priest, nor is it something so simple as "just another Rabbi". It's the highest title a learned man of Judea could achieve. And it was therefore seen as desirable, mostly, by the Pharisees - the fathers of Rabbinic Judaism. Rabbi is a shortened version of "מורי ורבי", Mori veRabbi - My Teacher and Sage. Over time, use of this word changed only to Rabbi (which means "My Sage" or "My Master") and only afterwards did it come to denote the rank of Rabbi (cause there was no need for Priests after the destruction of the 2nd temple). But this only starts to happen after 70 c.e. No one was called Rabbi as a rank or a position in the community. So it's improper to call Jesus a Rabbi in this period. And it's also very suspicious that he is called that in a text claiming to portray a pre-70 timeline. It's almost as though the text was written in the 2nd century, when Jews were called Rabbis, or something. 🤔
@@humbleopulenceYes,thanks for that, Titus was the Chrestus author of All biblical scripture, Titus was Ra Sol the creator, why he gave them Sol invictus to worship on the 25th December when the Sun of God resurrects again after 3 days, Titus's satire, Titus was a Sabine, Sancus,Saints, Highest ranking of all Angels, Titus wasn't related to the other Caesars but as he was the Chrestus he was heir to everything, he who creates owns,No1 law.
@@humbleopulenceRoman Provenance is dead in the water ( though not completely wrong) because it assumes the received Pauline texts (superdooperreal7) are unitary and from a 50-60s Paul.
The term "The Historical Jesus" is a way to sell the theology, "The bible is a lie." "Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made."
@@alittleofeverything4190The fact that there was a Roman empire....with Jews, Samaritans, Greeks, Egyptians etc.... that people existed.... That's basically it... 😅😂
(30 March 2024) This video's title: "What do we know about Jesus" does not address WHY Jesus thought he was The Messiah, and WHY some Jews thought he might be the Messiah and became his followers. I have concluded that apparently Jesus and his followers were ignorant of statements made in the books of Haggai and Zechariah that identified the Messiah to be Zerubbabel, the Persian appointed governor of Yehud (Judaea). As I understand Haggai and Zechariah, God had informed his people what the sign would be to thereby identify the Messiah. The sign? The Messiah would build the Temple destroyed by the Babylonians in 587 BC. After Zerubbabel had rebuilt the Temple by 515 BC, God would reward him with the Messiahship. But to do this God had to destroy the Persian Empire first, who oppossed a Messiah being crowned. The prophets predict all the kings of the world will besiege Jerusalem, take half the city in warfare, then God would descend from heaven with a heavenly host or army, cause madness to turn the kings into slaying each other's soldiers. The issues? The throne of thrones (Persian throne and its client kings Satrapy thrones) never besieged Jerusalem. God did not descend from Heaven, splitting the Mount of Olives in half. God, for unknown reasons, failed to make Zerubbabel the Messiah, as a reward for Zerubbabel's rebuilding the Temple, so God could have a place "to dwell in," on earth, among his people. No Temple, NO dwelling place among his people for God! How strange that the prophecies of Haggai and Zechariah should be unknown as regards how to identify the Messiah by his rebuilding the Temple, prophecies unknown to Jesus, who claimed to be the Messiah, and his followers.
Even some hardcore Christians, who decided to study the bible "themselves" and look at the evidence, realise in the end that yeah, maybe Jesus didn't really live and the bible is just an allegory to understand God and his works... But they decide to remain Christians because that how "their world is" and it's the easiest way for them to "keep in touch with religion." And then, you have the regular Christian who has lazily accepted everything that he/she was told by his/her parents or church people and the *moment* you challenge their beliefs, they become extremely defensive, as if, *all of a sudden* they are now EXPERTS in Christianity (when, in fact, they know very very little about their own religion...)
@soleknight3212lol thats just wikipedia innuendo haha Everyone is a "scholar" Jesus is bullshit dude and even if he was real he was en evil son of a bitch "believe or burn"
Skakespear. To be or not to be?. A story was invented two thousand years ago to answer the same question. Skakespear had Hamlet speak for him. Greek Jews wrote in Jesus to speak for them. Jesus and Hamlet were invented to speak their version of what these men wanted to get across. To stand at the gates and defend what is right, even if the odds are all rolling against you.
Define what you mean by God. Dr. Children certainly does, and he's a bit too conservative in my analysis, but I strongly suspect you mean God in you're own idiosyncratic (no true Scotsman/Christian) sectarian sense.
A women who has never had sex would find it extremely traumatic to give birth to a child because the virgina and internal parts would not have been stretched as a normal sexually active women would be before getting pregnant. Therefore I doubt Mary was a virgin. She had Joseph close to her?
Dr. Chilton has mistranslated the word, "Bastard Child", from Deut 23:2....claiming that the child would be EXCLUDED from inheriting the birthright....however, that word, H4464 Strong's Hebrew: H4464- a bastard, child Strong's It simply refers to a bastard child being referred to as a Gentile, or Heathen... Hebrew: 4464. מַמְזֵר (mamzer) -- a bastard, child ... From an unused root meaning to alienate; a mongrel, i.e. Born of a Jewish father and a heathen mother -- bastard. Forms and Transliterations. מַמְזֵ֖ר ממזר mam·zêr ... Hebrew: 4464. מַמְזֵר (mamzer) -- a bastard, child ... Hebrew: 4464. מַמְזֵר (mamzer) -- a bastard, child ...
Male scholars always gloss over the dedication, contributions, and bravery of Mary Magdalene. She financially supported Jesus and his ministry because she believed in the work he was doing. He trusted her and, perhaps, told her things that he didn't tell the other disciples. He defended her in front of the other men. She was there when he was crucified. And she went alone to make sure that he received a proper Jewish burial, in a time when the Romans purposely made those that were crucified an example. They humiliated and tortured them to keep the others in line. It wasn't safe for her to go, but she did anyways. I will never understand why she has not been recognized and repected for her devotion. There are people today that see visions of their loved ones after their death. I believe that she believes that she saw him and talked to him. The conversation gave her grief some closure. I will never understand why people won't allow her to have that peace. 😕
Titus was the Chrestus author of All biblical scripture,Sabine, Sancus,Saints,can be dated at least 2500BC,NT was a Typology of The War of The Jews by Josephus Bar Matthias (Titus)aka Titus Flavius Josephus, Bar means son, Matthias means gift of God, Jesus just means saviour in Greek, Titus called all rebellious leaders Jesus, satire, why all the Gospels contradict each other, different Jesus's Titus slaughtered,Mary was what the Romans called all rebellious women (prostitute), Magdala was a town near Galilee, Titus crucified Jesus Lucifer along with 2 million Zionists, they wouldn't stop sacrificing to their God Yahweh, Solomon's temple built by Hiram Abiff, Satan, Titus was Pontius Pilate, Pontius meaning God of the sea, Pilate meaning armed with a dart, Titus's satire Titus was Ra Sol the creator, why he gave them Sol invictus to worship on the 25th December when the Sun resurrects again after 3 days.These deceitful scholars aren't as stupid as they pretend to be, can't get titles and letters after your name by stating facts obviously.
@judgeaileencannon9607No Berenice was Titus's missus,Mary was the Roman term for prostitute,Yes Titus was the Chrestus author of All biblical scripture but can't compare a prostitute to Berenice.
You both have been sleeping at the wheel. Both scholars that have been on History Valley, Gnostic Informant and Mythvision have with some reasonable deduction belive that there was a guy. He just didn't do all those miracles. That Jesus lived , he got in trouble and was crucified. There is no way unless the whole process of being whipped and nailed that any man could survived that unless the process was really screwed up some how. Beaten to near death. Ankles and wrist punctured with nails and stabbed through the lung. No way anyone could survive that and if they did. It was long before they succumbed to the injuries
Jesus is portrayed as crucified. They began in the spirit but, ended in the flesh, with an actual crucifixion. There are two appearances, within the same generation, the sacrifice and resurrection, at the end of the ages, the time of the harvest. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach (to you) a gospel other than the one that we preached to you, let that one be accursed! (Gal 1:8 NABO) Christ ransomed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, (Gal 3:13 NABO) Without Jesus, nothing came in to being. With Jesus, the plan of salvation was created by the Father you spring from. Jesus is the Light of the Lamp of the Father and the Word of the Will of the Father. The ruler of this world has been condemned. The Ancient Serpent of Old takes his seat upon a throne on the Mount of Assembly, as the Ancient One of Days while Jesus washes his feet. His people will be a kingdom of priests. (Jesus) turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are an obstacle (Cornerstone of his work of salvation) to me. (Mat 16:23 NABO) "Unless I wash you, you will have no inheritance with me." (Joh 13:8 NABO) Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. (Mat 25:34 NABO) Did he not make one being, with flesh and spirit: (Mal 2:15 NABO) You must then safeguard life that is your own (Mal 2:15 NABO) The reason he needs the Way of the Lord in the Desert is because the day of vengeance AS judgment sets up the abomination of desolation in himself, as the Temple without one stone left standing upon another. The way of the Lord in the desert needs to be put into context with the previous passage: Sacrifice - Indeed, she has received from the hand of the LORD double for all her sins. Resurrection - Make straight in the wasteland a highway for our God! (Isa 40:2-3 NABO) Just as it is appointed that human beings die - be judged - appear a second time, (so also Christ) …will return Heb 9:27-28 …as the (Red) Dragon (Demon Sin) stood before the woman about to give birth, to devour her child when she gave birth. (Rev 12:4 NABO) There is a baptism with which I must be baptized, and how great is my anguish until it is accomplished! "I have come to set the earth on fire, and how I wish it were already blazing! (Luk 12:49-50 NABO) (it is better to marry than to be on fire (1Co 7:9 NABO) Be fruitful, and multiply (Gen 1:28 KJV) "For by my wrath a fire is enkindled that shall rage to the depths of the nether world (Abyss), Consuming the earth with its yield, and licking with flames the roots of the mountains. (Deu 32:22 NABO) Down I went to the roots of the mountains; the bars of the nether world (Abyss) were closing behind me forever (Jon 2:7 NABO) We saw his star (of Bethlehem) at its rising (Mat 2:2 NABO) Up from the Abyss (Rev 17:8 NABO) The star was called "Wormwood” (Rev 8:11 NABO) It was given the key for the passage to the Abyss. (Rev 9:1 NABO) I hold the keys to death and the netherworld (Abyss). (Rev 1:18 NABO) 'Who will go down into the Abyss (nether world)?' (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead) (Rom 10:7 NABO) Warning of the impending Day of the Lord, he was swallowed by the Beast out of the Sea and spewed out upon the shore as the Beast out of the Earth, as the sun beat down upon his head and a burning east wind began the Way of the Lord in the Desert. the one who is and who was and who is to come, the almighty (Rev 1:8 NABO) The beast that you saw existed once but now exists no longer. It will come up from the Abyss and is headed for destruction. (Rev 17:8 NABO)
@@davidaaronhill5680 I’m new to the channel and was curious, as well, once I started catching some of these live interviews. Those where he isn’t in his usual studio setting. Just hadn’t seen it addressed in the videos or comments.
Of course he was created, created by Titus,Titus was Pontius Pilate, Pontius meaning God of the sea, Pilate meaning armed with a dart, Titus's satire, Titus was author of All biblical scripture, Titus says after Sodom and Egypt where THEIR lord was crucified, KJV Satanic translation says where OUR lord was crucified,to be crucified means accursed, Jesus just means saviour in Greek, Titus called all rebellious leaders Jesus, satire.
This is an exceptionally good and enlightening interview. Thanks for the good work!
Also to Jacob Berman...you are an excellent moderator....an exceptional listener
Every time I listen to Dr Chilton....I learn so much...Many Thanks!...
Great to see my former prof from Sheffield University still on top form!
Dr Chilton makes sense in a quiet way that suggests his only agenda is to examine what can be found and suggest what is most likely. Jacob, your questions are astute and help lead all of us on a journey through Chilton’s years of research. Kudos.
Jacob, this is the best interview I've ever seen you do, and you've done many good ones. All of your questions were right on point. Excellent work!
Wow, thank you!
A great guest. Very knowledgeable and good to listen to also.
Thank you Dr Chilton, thank you Jacob. Very, very interesting discussion. Dr Chilton has some unique and fascinating theories. The earlier death of the Baptist is especially eye opening. Such a chronology would give time for a much longer ministry of Jesus.
Amazing episode keep up the good work gentlemen!!
Try refreshing the page, I hear sound when I play it.
Jacob sitting on a throne! Would be nice to have a brief introduction to the guest Jacob, who they are and where they have worked etc
If only one could search HV's history by some means.
Chilton is wonderful. "John the Purifier" is a great nomenclature. Imagine the mamzer Jesus seeking to ne "reborn" (ie in the right way, or righteous way) through John's baptismal ritual. Of course, all this is plausible in the eschatological crisis that levels all social distinctions, the baptism of fire. Later Christians will apply this lesson to martyrdom.
Very interesting guest.
Wonderful!
29:10 Agreed Herod didn't wait to act on the criticism -- but we don't have any way of knowing when John criticized the marriage. For that matter, John may have been saying things like that for 10 years but he maybe hadn't developed a large enough following yet for anyone to actually notice. Also, people make political criticisms like this for years and decades after the transgression -- people still bring up Monica Lewinsky when criticizing the Clintons, for instance.
Wait, people still know about Monica?
@@andrewsuryali8540 I mean, apparently you do...
Let us not forget that the Church is a powerful social institution. There are lots and lots of "Christians" who attend church and talk the talk because it is the socially and politically correct thing to do. They know little about the actual Jesus or the Bible, they never will, and they really don't want to.
That was really great. Thanks a lot.
It's interesting that there is little said in the canonical sources regarding JCs youth. He's born then suddenly he's grown up. What's with that?
He was learning. The guy was teaching and learning and teaching and learning... then he flew around he also raised dead people, the guy was fixing what his father couldnt do thats why they rested on sunday cause they were shopping on SHABBAT for department store sales...
YES SIR PORK CHOPS ON SALE..ITS NOT WHAT YOU PUT IN BUT WHAT COMES OUT SAID THE FAKER PAUL WHO NEVER MET THE GUY BUT MADE A BUSINESS OUT OF HIM....PAUL WAS GAY THEY SAY...JESUCKS SAID HE IS NOT GOOD HIS FATHER CREATED SINFUL PEOPLE AND MARY WAS A ROMAN SEX TOY. WHAT A MOVIE THIS MAKES. THINK OF ALL THE BOOKS YOU CAN SELL.
Because there’s very little of importance for understanding who Jesus was and what he stood for.
I liked Bruce's term 'metabolize.' It clarified to me the process of animating the oral and written word of God into the person of Jesus; ultimately into ME! "Identification of the beloved disciple" with Christ is the kingdom of God in me.
Thanks for the share ….. ✝️
I am 72 , studied History for 60+ years , Nam vet , been to 30+ Nations & believed God was for the weak minded who needed a crutch . I was wrong . CREATOR called me when I was 28 , just out of the Army . CREATOR has saved my life 8 times in Life & Death situations , I have interacted with Angels a few times & seen CREATOR bring a dead man back to life , & many other miracles . CREATOR is Cool , fun & Gloriously Holy . You would like HIM if you got to know HIM , HE is Awesome beyond words . You are not just smart monkeys , you are eternal beings that choose where you are going to spend Eternity , With CREATOR or Separate from CREATOR , choose wisely ! Prayers
That is not Creator, dear, that is KARMA, what you have done, good or bad will surely come to you. This is not a miracle, not the deed of any god. THATWAMASI = THAT THOU ART.
That is - reap what you sow . Karma is a lower order of understanding , it is incomplete , a worldly understanding , but keep searching and you will get there . At least you are searching!@@show-n5z
You probably should see a psychiatrist.
@@cshaw9683 I would get used to the heat if I were you. th-cam.com/video/AKniy8CCKgs/w-d-xo.htmlsi=uEcPDbKKUzj1IRtA
I cannot recall ever hearing two people try to pin down the death of John the Baptist in whole numbers. Religion needs more History.
The other day I was watching “The Last Dance,” the documentary about Michael Jordan and the Chicago Bulls, and I was amazed at how much Dennis Rodman’s voice reminded me of Jacob Berman’s. The two guys don’t have too much else in common as far as I can tell.
They do both look quite similar, as well. Might be related.
Dang it, Jacob! Why do you get to the questions I don't know to ask? You're so far ahead of me into this, I can't keep up...
Give it time, give it time. Keep at it and U2 will ask great questions, keep at it.
You are ever so kind! I see Jacob as a role model for rational thought and inquiry... I hope to get there one day, too. Peace! @@Jeremy-am
You should invite Richard carrier and ask him the same question 😊
I have come to realize that people who fall for the teachings of the church will fall for anything and never learn anything.
Interessantes Gespräch.
Solche Diskussionen verhindern naive unreflektierte suchtartige Gläubigkeit.
Sie ermöglichen echten vertrauensvollen Glauben.
No sound
Try refreshing, there is sound, I checked.
No sound no savior ..ALL BALONEY😅😅😅
If you're not looking carefully, you'd think they were in the same room!
If God himself could pop into middle eastern earth and say hi then he could have popped by several times after that to clarify his thoughts and edicts and provide many more miracle because hey, who doesn’t need more miracles !( especially ones that can be verified and long evidenced as such).
Lol it's made up bullshit
thought it was pretty generally assumed that the Apostle That Jesus Loved is John himself because John never mentions himself by name
You're assuming John wrote it and never mentioned himself.
Things are routinely "generally assumed" among biblical scholars. It is the central failure of the field. "Biblical scholarship" as a field will probably die out without fixing it.
trouble is anyone can write stuff down
I'm a novelist. I understand the process for writing fiction. I've read the Gospels. They're fiction.
Santa Claus is real. If Santa Claus isn't real, why do you and I both know what He looks like? I believe the eyewitnesses...@soleknight3212
@@afwalker1921Lol, Titus was the Chrestus author of All biblical scripture,the Gospels contradict each other, different Jesus's Titus slaughtered, Jesus just means saviour in Greek, Titus called all rebellious leaders Jesus, satire,Titus says after Sodom and Egypt where THEIR lord was crucified, KJV Satanic translation says where OUR lord was crucified, Titus was Ra Sol the creator, why he gave them Sol to worship on the 25th December when the Sun of God resurrects again after 3 days, Titus's satire, Titus Flavius Augustus Clemens, they dropped the Augustus because Augustus is from the Latin word Augur, which means foretell, prophesize, they've also recently changed their names from Clemens to Sabinus 1, 2 and 3, absolutely ridiculously pathetic, Titus's uncle was At Flavius Clemens,14 Pope Clements from the HOLY Roman Empire, Saints.
Lol, "Bob" Dobbs is Slackmaster, Saint of Sales, author of discounts, Only Son of Woitan. If you are having trouble with your cashflow, it's because your cash is NOT flowing towards "Bob"...@@tyronecox5976
A lie told often enough comes the truth
I always find it interesting that most women of the bible are looked at in a bad light like a prostitute or something like that.
Its a disgusting book "women are unclean" for menstruating etc
But... There were no Rabbis in the 1st century c.e.
Only after 70 c.e, and even that not immediately
Not true
@@TywysogCraig no, no, it's true. You had something called a Rabban, but that is basically "the highest official authority of the time". This was Rabban Shimon Ben gamliel, the president of the Sanhedrin at the time of the revolt. This is not the same as being the high priest, nor is it something so simple as "just another Rabbi". It's the highest title a learned man of Judea could achieve. And it was therefore seen as desirable, mostly, by the Pharisees - the fathers of Rabbinic Judaism.
Rabbi is a shortened version of "מורי ורבי", Mori veRabbi - My Teacher and Sage. Over time, use of this word changed only to Rabbi (which means "My Sage" or "My Master") and only afterwards did it come to denote the rank of Rabbi (cause there was no need for Priests after the destruction of the 2nd temple). But this only starts to happen after 70 c.e.
No one was called Rabbi as a rank or a position in the community. So it's improper to call Jesus a Rabbi in this period.
And it's also very suspicious that he is called that in a text claiming to portray a pre-70 timeline. It's almost as though the text was written in the 2nd century, when Jews were called Rabbis, or something. 🤔
@@humbleopulenceYes,thanks for that, Titus was the Chrestus author of All biblical scripture, Titus was Ra Sol the creator, why he gave them Sol invictus to worship on the 25th December when the Sun of God resurrects again after 3 days, Titus's satire, Titus was a Sabine, Sancus,Saints, Highest ranking of all Angels, Titus wasn't related to the other Caesars but as he was the Chrestus he was heir to everything, he who creates owns,No1 law.
@@tyronecox5976 it's cause of people like you that Roman Provenance gets a bad wrap when it really shouldn't
@@humbleopulenceRoman Provenance is dead in the water ( though not completely wrong) because it assumes the received Pauline texts (superdooperreal7) are unitary and from a 50-60s Paul.
The term "The Historical Jesus" is a way to sell the theology, "The bible is a lie."
"Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made."
Easy, none, Paul saw a ghost!
lol
how do you know whats written down in the first place is true
Name one thing in the bible that's true.
@@alittleofeverything4190The fact that there was a Roman empire....with Jews, Samaritans, Greeks, Egyptians etc.... that people existed.... That's basically it... 😅😂
A ghost saw Paul
(30 March 2024)
This video's title: "What do we know about Jesus" does not address WHY Jesus thought he was The Messiah, and WHY some Jews thought he might be the Messiah and became his followers.
I have concluded that apparently Jesus and his followers were ignorant of statements made in the books of Haggai and Zechariah that identified the Messiah to be Zerubbabel, the Persian appointed governor of Yehud (Judaea).
As I understand Haggai and Zechariah, God had informed his people what the sign would be to thereby identify the Messiah.
The sign?
The Messiah would build the Temple destroyed by the Babylonians in 587 BC.
After Zerubbabel had rebuilt the Temple by 515 BC, God would reward him with the Messiahship.
But to do this God had to destroy the Persian Empire first, who oppossed a Messiah being crowned.
The prophets predict all the kings of the world will besiege Jerusalem, take half the city in warfare, then God would descend from heaven with a heavenly host or army, cause madness to turn the kings into slaying each other's soldiers.
The issues?
The throne of thrones (Persian throne and its client kings Satrapy thrones) never besieged Jerusalem.
God did not descend from Heaven, splitting the Mount of Olives in half.
God, for unknown reasons, failed to make Zerubbabel the Messiah, as a reward for Zerubbabel's rebuilding the Temple, so God could have a place "to dwell in," on earth, among his people.
No Temple, NO dwelling place among his people for God!
How strange that the prophecies of Haggai and Zechariah should be unknown as regards how to identify the Messiah by his rebuilding the Temple, prophecies unknown to Jesus, who claimed to be the Messiah, and his followers.
Even some hardcore Christians, who decided to study the bible "themselves" and look at the evidence, realise in the end that yeah, maybe Jesus didn't really live and the bible is just an allegory to understand God and his works... But they decide to remain Christians because that how "their world is" and it's the easiest way for them to "keep in touch with religion."
And then, you have the regular Christian who has lazily accepted everything that he/she was told by his/her parents or church people and the *moment* you challenge their beliefs, they become extremely defensive, as if, *all of a sudden* they are now EXPERTS in Christianity (when, in fact, they know very very little about their own religion...)
@soleknight3212lol thats just wikipedia innuendo haha
Everyone is a "scholar"
Jesus is bullshit dude and even if he was real he was en evil son of a bitch "believe or burn"
@soleknight3212 Most serious historians who actually look at the actual evidence conclude he did not.
I think jacob should pose like Napoleon
Jacob is still cool.
Skakespear. To be or not to be?.
A story was invented two thousand years ago to answer the same question.
Skakespear had Hamlet speak for him.
Greek Jews wrote in Jesus to speak for them.
Jesus and Hamlet were invented to speak their version of what these men wanted to get across.
To stand at the gates and defend what is right, even if the odds are all rolling against you.
does Dr Bruce believe in God ?
Define what you mean by God. Dr. Children certainly does, and he's a bit too conservative in my analysis, but I strongly suspect you mean God in you're own idiosyncratic (no true Scotsman/Christian) sectarian sense.
The words "biography" and "Jesus" don't match in the real world. Only in the imaginary world of Jesus biographers. That has almost 2000 yrs
sO AFTER 33 MINUTES WHAT DID THIS GUY REALLY SAY?
Former Catholic Priest Alan Watts claimes that everybody and EVERYTHING IS God in his TH-cam lecture - On Being God.
When Jesus was a kid. Did he tell all the other kids that he was God?
and a benjaminite, not to forget
A women who has never had sex would find it extremely traumatic to give birth to a child because the virgina and internal parts would not have been stretched as a normal sexually active women would be before getting pregnant. Therefore I doubt Mary was a virgin. She had Joseph close to her?
No sound during the whole video smh 😒 🤦
Try refreshing, there is sound, I checked.
@@History-Valley ok
Its working now thanks bro... 👍
Dr. Chilton has mistranslated the word, "Bastard Child", from Deut 23:2....claiming that the child would be EXCLUDED from inheriting the birthright....however, that word, H4464 Strong's Hebrew: H4464- a bastard, child Strong's It simply refers to a bastard child being referred to as a Gentile, or Heathen...
Hebrew: 4464. מַמְזֵר (mamzer) -- a bastard, child ...
From an unused root meaning to alienate; a mongrel, i.e. Born of a Jewish father and a heathen mother -- bastard. Forms and Transliterations. מַמְזֵ֖ר ממזר mam·zêr ...
Hebrew: 4464. מַמְזֵר (mamzer) -- a bastard, child ...
Hebrew: 4464. מַמְזֵר (mamzer) -- a bastard, child ...
Male scholars always gloss over the dedication, contributions, and bravery of Mary Magdalene. She financially supported Jesus and his ministry because she believed in the work he was doing. He trusted her and, perhaps, told her things that he didn't tell the other disciples. He defended her in front of the other men. She was there when he was crucified. And she went alone to make sure that he received a proper Jewish burial, in a time when the Romans purposely made those that were crucified an example. They humiliated and tortured them to keep the others in line. It wasn't safe for her to go, but she did anyways. I will never understand why she has not been recognized and repected for her devotion.
There are people today that see visions of their loved ones after their death. I believe that she believes that she saw him and talked to him. The conversation gave her grief some closure. I will never understand why people won't allow her to have that peace. 😕
how do you know what they wrote down is true
.Mary is another fictitious character, just like Lois Lane
Yes, Mary Herodias the tower, the brave one...
Of course Herodians supported pauline messianity and Joseph Ben Mathias even buried Jesus.
Titus was the Chrestus author of All biblical scripture,Sabine, Sancus,Saints,can be dated at least 2500BC,NT was a Typology of The War of The Jews by Josephus Bar Matthias (Titus)aka Titus Flavius Josephus, Bar means son, Matthias means gift of God, Jesus just means saviour in Greek, Titus called all rebellious leaders Jesus, satire, why all the Gospels contradict each other, different Jesus's Titus slaughtered,Mary was what the Romans called all rebellious women (prostitute), Magdala was a town near Galilee, Titus crucified Jesus Lucifer along with 2 million Zionists, they wouldn't stop sacrificing to their God Yahweh, Solomon's temple built by Hiram Abiff, Satan, Titus was Pontius Pilate, Pontius meaning God of the sea, Pilate meaning armed with a dart, Titus's satire Titus was Ra Sol the creator, why he gave them Sol invictus to worship on the 25th December when the Sun resurrects again after 3 days.These deceitful scholars aren't as stupid as they pretend to be, can't get titles and letters after your name by stating facts obviously.
@judgeaileencannon9607No Berenice was Titus's missus,Mary was the Roman term for prostitute,Yes Titus was the Chrestus author of All biblical scripture but can't compare a prostitute to Berenice.
Ive been looking for the historical Jesus for 50 yrs.
The closer i get the more elusive he becomes.
The whole story is fiction.
You both have been sleeping at the wheel. Both scholars that have been on History Valley, Gnostic Informant and Mythvision have with some reasonable deduction belive that there was a guy. He just didn't do all those miracles. That Jesus lived , he got in trouble and was crucified. There is no way unless the whole process of being whipped and nailed that any man could survived that unless the process was really screwed up some how. Beaten to near death. Ankles and wrist punctured with nails and stabbed through the lung. No way anyone could survive that and if they did. It was long before they succumbed to the injuries
Then try listening to Him. You're guaranteed to find Him then.
@soleknight3212 what a self serving load of rubbish.
@soleknight3212people can use their own THOUGHTS to come to their conclusions
They don't need to be swayed by others
Correct
Jesus is portrayed as crucified. They began in the spirit but, ended in the flesh, with an actual crucifixion. There are two appearances, within the same generation, the sacrifice and resurrection, at the end of the ages, the time of the harvest.
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach (to you) a gospel other than the one that we preached to you, let that one be accursed! (Gal 1:8 NABO)
Christ ransomed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, (Gal 3:13 NABO)
Without Jesus, nothing came in to being. With Jesus, the plan of salvation was created by the Father you spring from. Jesus is the Light of the Lamp of the Father and the Word of the Will of the Father. The ruler of this world has been condemned. The Ancient Serpent of Old takes his seat upon a throne on the Mount of Assembly, as the Ancient One of Days while Jesus washes his feet. His people will be a kingdom of priests.
(Jesus) turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are an obstacle (Cornerstone of his work of salvation) to me. (Mat 16:23 NABO)
"Unless I wash you, you will have no inheritance with me." (Joh 13:8 NABO)
Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. (Mat 25:34 NABO)
Did he not make one being, with flesh and spirit: (Mal 2:15 NABO)
You must then safeguard life that is your own (Mal 2:15 NABO)
The reason he needs the Way of the Lord in the Desert is because the day of vengeance AS judgment sets up the abomination of desolation in himself, as the Temple without one stone left standing upon another.
The way of the Lord in the desert needs to be put into context with the previous passage:
Sacrifice - Indeed, she has received from the hand of the LORD double for all her sins.
Resurrection - Make straight in the wasteland a highway for our God! (Isa 40:2-3 NABO)
Just as it is appointed that human beings die - be judged - appear a second time, (so also Christ) …will return Heb 9:27-28 …as the (Red) Dragon (Demon Sin) stood before the woman about to give birth, to devour her child when she gave birth. (Rev 12:4 NABO)
There is a baptism with which I must be baptized, and how great is my anguish until it is accomplished! "I have come to set the earth on fire, and how I wish it were already blazing! (Luk 12:49-50 NABO)
(it is better to marry than to be on fire (1Co 7:9 NABO) Be fruitful, and multiply (Gen 1:28 KJV)
"For by my wrath a fire is enkindled that shall rage to the depths of the nether world (Abyss), Consuming the earth with its yield, and licking with flames the roots of the mountains. (Deu 32:22 NABO)
Down I went to the roots of the mountains; the bars of the nether world (Abyss) were closing behind me forever (Jon 2:7 NABO)
We saw his star (of Bethlehem) at its rising (Mat 2:2 NABO)
Up from the Abyss (Rev 17:8 NABO)
The star was called "Wormwood” (Rev 8:11 NABO)
It was given the key for the passage to the Abyss. (Rev 9:1 NABO)
I hold the keys to death and the netherworld (Abyss). (Rev 1:18 NABO)
'Who will go down into the Abyss (nether world)?' (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead) (Rom 10:7 NABO)
Warning of the impending Day of the Lord, he was swallowed by the Beast out of the Sea and spewed out upon the shore as the Beast out of the Earth, as the sun beat down upon his head and a burning east wind began the Way of the Lord in the Desert.
the one who is and who was and who is to come, the almighty (Rev 1:8 NABO)
The beast that you saw existed once but now exists no longer. It will come up from the Abyss and is headed for destruction. (Rev 17:8 NABO)
Former Catholic Priest Alan Watts claimes that everybody and EVERYTHING IS God in his TH-cam lecture - On Being God.
The man? Not a damn thing...
bro why do u sit like htat
Ever meet anyone with a serious back problem or physical handicap? Grow up.
@@davidaaronhill5680 I’m new to the channel and was curious, as well, once I started catching some of these live interviews. Those where he isn’t in his usual studio setting. Just hadn’t seen it addressed in the videos or comments.
We know that Jesus Christ was the one person who was never created.
Of course he was created, created by Titus,Titus was Pontius Pilate, Pontius meaning God of the sea, Pilate meaning armed with a dart, Titus's satire, Titus was author of All biblical scripture, Titus says after Sodom and Egypt where THEIR lord was crucified, KJV Satanic translation says where OUR lord was crucified,to be crucified means accursed, Jesus just means saviour in Greek, Titus called all rebellious leaders Jesus, satire.
@@tyronecox5976 Do you really believe that He was crucified?