Thank you so much for doing this comparison! I am currently in the market for a new projector and this video was right up my alley! I truly appreciate the dedication and work you put into doing the testing, making the video, and the careful comparison of both projectors. This video really helps me become a more educated buyer. Thank you so much!
Great job on the video Jonathan. I really like this format and how well you articulate what you are seeing in person vs what the iPhone is able to pick up.
@@joniscraacked2 if we had access to one we will. In this case the customers who bought from Ryan allowed us to test them for this showcase before he shipped them out.
I’ve got an Epson 5050UB and I’m happy with that. If I have to get up close and squint to see meaningful differences, I don’t need to upgrade. I’m waiting for a 200 inch TV to replace my projector!
Great overview, thanks for sharing! Glad to see some comparisons popping up so soon after cedia. Quick question, I noticed on the ls12000 if you want low input lag for gaming, you have to enable “fast” instead of “fine” and when you do, it disables frame interpolation so the smoothness of game motion on content that isn’t 120hz is more juddery essentially forcing a choice between better response or better motion. By chance did you happen to notice if the QB has the same limitation?
@@senact3040 a few things to note. Fast is 20ms. Fine is 40ms on the LS12000. I am almost always in fine. Even for most games that level of latency is okay. If I’m playing a platform or something requires precision control, I’ll switch it to fast, but that’s rare. As to judder on fast, it’s unnoticeable 99% of the time whole gaming from PC with wildly fluctuating frame rates game to game. I have a 3080 GPU on my gaming PC and a Xbox Series X and I find both a real treat to game on the LS12000. It’s the best projector I’ve ever had the pleasure of using for gaming. When I’m don’t gaming, if I was using fast, I just switch it back to fine. On the QB1000 I anticipate zero problems with this so long as your game console and AVR both support HDMI 2.1, and you have the 8K enhanced HDMI setting enabled on all three devices. We didn’t get a chance to game on the QB1000, but knowing its heritage is the LS12000 and how good it its, Epson would have to go out of their way to mess up the QB1000 pedigree.
The game I was recently experimenting with was a mario game on the switch. Fast panning and precision controls, 1080p and at best 60fps. Fine mode does not impede my ability to play but when set to fast, the control response is noticeably better to me, basically going from great to excellent. The motion on fine without interpolation seemed poor to me but with it on high, it was a real treat and looked fantastic. On fast, the motion was roughly between those two examples. I haven’t tried a 120hz signal from the xbox yet but looking forward to trying it. Right now I’m favouring better motion since the input lag is not detrimental
Thanks for the comparison. I really wanted the new JVC but they're wildly expensive, and Epson was an option but they're models before these were a great price but just not enough performance for my needs. This seems to be the perfect compromise. (whenever it goes on sale)
Some useful stuff here. I know it's just a phone video but while the LS12000 isn't as bright, it kind of looks like the blacks are deeper in this comparison. I'd love to see a detailed review of the 8k pixel shifting on a large screen (150 and up) using a legit 4k blu ray.
We got you covered on some of your wishlist. The green used was a 160” 16x9 screen, and while we were only filling it up about 2/3a to 3/4… it passed the general idea. Point 2, this content was played back on Kaleidoscape which is HD Blu-ray or better than on every single thing. So your 4K HDR disk source wishlist bullet was met by the source device.
I think you just saved me $3k. Was getting a little FOMO after hearing about the QB1000. I think the LS1200 is the sweet spot of performance per dollar. I think I'll go with that for my theater.
The improvements in HDR with the QB1000 is subtle but what's most noticeable is much better the blacks look which effects most other scenes including the whiter ones because there's not that blue tint you seems to see in every scene with the LS12000. Until the QB1000 is compared side by side with both the Sonys and JVC it's hard to know whether they have done a good job with their DTM or not.
@@SuperBloodyskull I spent two years with the JVC RS2100 in ownership. I can pretty squarely say the JVC DTM is more aggressive and less subtle - and what’s more has tiers you can change like Auto-wide, or 0-5. Epson needs to do similar with a future firmware update, so the user has some degree of control over the intensity of the DTM application. I’d like to have seen more aggressive raising of the shadow detail on the dark scenes like 1917. In the video, the camera was picking up more difference than we were seeing in real life. Always consider in a side by side, cameras exaggerate differences. I’ve participated in several blind test projector shootouts, and when people can’t tell the difference to their eyes, they’ll pull out a camera and see the differences more easily.
@@SuperBloodyskull also please for sure understand the camera exaggerates the blue tint, and these weren’t gamma or color calibrated, which would also help reduce blue tint on dark content. That said the LS12000 is commonly noted to have this as a minor issue, and it wasn’t observable on this particular QB 1000 to our human eyes out of the box. So here’s to hoping it’s no longer a common minor issue with the new QB1000.
@@jvonengeln Do you think Epson will update the DTM in the way you describe or hold it back for new modells in the future? Is it possible to change that via an update, even if Epson is willing to to that. I think this possibilty would be great, if the the user could get some controll the DTM to personal preferences.
Good to see a comparo. It seems unlikely it's worth the premium for the QB, to be honest, not when you can get into a JVC for that money. Also, Epson makes a lot of mistakes like the full fade to black thing... hell, my LS800 UST doesn't even have calibration options which is crazy town for a projector at that price point.
@@robertovital9369 I’d love to, but don’t have one. In this case Ryan is a dealer for Ascend audio and two folk who were buying new projectors reached out and said they’d like to let us review and even compare their products before Ryan shipped them to them. It was a generous offer and really the only way this happened!!!
My main takeaway is that the differences between these two projectors are negligible and will only be noticed in a side-by-side comparison, except maybe for motion interpolation. By using DTM on the LS12000 via madVR freeware in a HTPC setup, will the picture of both these units be indistinguishable? In other words can the extra cost of the onboard DTM of the QB1000 be offset by using a HTPC?
@@michaeldee3380 there is some discussion on that on page 3 and 4 of the avsforum thread linked in the picture. Frankly I’m curious myself. The frame interpolation upgrade was my favorite upgrade, and the fan speed change. I was expecting the extra brightness and dynamic tone mapping to be more observable, but we didn’t see that to help the case watching content. Do consider, that there are potentially firmware updates coming to improve xyz on the QB1000, but it’s likely the LS12000 won’t see many more updates.
Hey! Is there not a pwm flicker free projector in the range of like $1000? Or even better, maybe a portable projector to carry in your backpack? Thanks !
@@davidreimer2759 a used Epson 5040UB should be less than $1000 and is a great projector for SDR. I don’t know about portable units. Look for one that is LCD based and not DLP based and you’ll be more likely to avoid PWM.
@@jvonengeln Hey! What do you think about an epson TW3200? It says it also has 3lcd technology just as the epson 5040ub does. I could get the tw3200 second hand along with a new lamp but want to make sure it’s pwm free first and also it might be more than 10 years old not sure if that’s a bad thing? Thanks!
For having all the lights off the Epson 6050/ LS1200 is overkill already when it comes to brightness so I think the better comparison is in a room with white walls and a ceiling with some ambient light, in that case, the QB1000 will probably blow the others away. People are happily rocking JVC's with 1/2 the brightness of the LS12000. I have a dark room so it is the LS12000 for me but if you have the bones get the QB1000 and know if your wife wants some lights on you will still get a great picture.
It is NOT overkill lol. You gain better HDR performance with those extra lumens. At MWAVE 2023 & 2024 I got to see the NP5, NZ7, NZ8, NZ9, NZ800, N900, LS12000, and more on 150" screens side by side in a pitch black room. At MWAVE 2023 the NZ9 benefitted from the extra lumens and had much better HDR than the NP5/NZ7, and a little better than the NZ8. The LS12000 was no where near as good. They tested here on a 160" screen in this video, where extra lumens would matter even more.
@@jvonengeln My local canadian dealer is deciding which JVC to bring into the showroom. (They just let me know the CDN$ costs.) They passed on the QB1000 for demo deciding to bring in the LS12000 instead.
@@jvonengeln A calibrator in Toronto indicated to me that he has already seen the JVC 500 vs 700 (at their Toronto office) and that there is a significant difference.
@@KimmoJaskari Yes, I am closely watching for a review of the 500 vs 700. Meanwhile, There is a review already about the Epsons: Verdict: QB 1000 is definitely brighter, but overall, not much different EXCEPT the QB has much more to grow with firmware updates while the LS is likely nearing the end of what can be done to improve it.
In the white screen scene I saw some detail on the CB1000 side that was missing from the LS12000 side. In other scenes the extra brightness of the QB1000 seemed to wash out the colors and background contrast more than the LS12000. I don't think the differences I saw are worth the price difference between the two. I've been waiting for Epson to come out with an affordable native 4K projector, but it seems their pricing is comparable to other brands native 4K projectors. Seems like Epson may be loosing their more bang for your buck business model.
@@BlueAdept596 I do think their pricing is too high on the QB1000. I also think that QB1000 is a small evolution up over the LS12000. As in I’d rather own the QB1000, but not personally for a cost of $3k more.
@@mukeshgoyal1155 Sony is overpriced in their 5000 series. It’d take the qB1000, and get the nicer lens memory and focus controls, among other things like extra brightness. At MWAVE 2024 the Sony 5000 was preferred less than the JVC and Epson by the rank and file attendee.
@@triplerinse and now we know who has a foot fetish! Achievement unlocked! Ha. I kid. My wife too told me I should have edited them out when she watched this. Let this be a consideration to all about floor to ceiling projector screens, AND the value of black socks at a projector shootout! ;)
@jvonengeln it's just so common in pictures and videos in the theater space, I had to say it. There is something to say about not touching the image in comparison videos even if it's something trivial as a crop just to hide something like that.
@@triplerinse I was thinking the same. I didn’t want people to think there were editing shenanigans going on. It was just a little informal comparison at the end of the day. Thanks for watching and sharing a little humor!
Knowing that Jonathan already owns the LS12000, I was looking forward to this review. I've seen two other TH-cam videos of side-by-side comparisons, one with a diagonal split and one with a full screen of each switching back and forth, and there was a dramatic difference in favor of the QB1000 in both cases. In this review, the differences were subtle. Of course, we don't know what setting the other projectors were on, but I find it odd there is little to no difference in this comparison when the other ones were so stark? Also, it sounded like the dynamic tone mapping didn't make much difference when in theory, it should make a substantial difference. Is it just a poor job of mapping being done?
@@kelvinburton5439 are the other reviewers so far selling something? I saw those videos too and knew something seemed off. As to dynamic tone mapping working. It is! It’s just kind of subtle. I wish you could turn up the intensity of the dynamic tone mapping a little bit instead of an on/off toggle. Maybe Epson can address this request via a firmware update!
@@jvonengeln Is there a reason that Dynamic mode was used? That's the least likely setting most people would have their projector on. How do they compare when using a film mode or normal mode?
@@jvonengeln Do you think JVC DTM is not better than the Epson one, only more aggressiv? But Epson lags of the possibility to change the setting to personal preferences?
The native 4k vs pixel shift has nearly zero advantage in real world side by side. Quality of lenses and unit sample variation have shown to matter more. There are, however, very real advantages to the JVCs with useful improvements on the new models (They've always had better contrast and Tone mapping as well), and the fact they didn't raise prices in the process is a bonus. JVC thus far looks to have evened the value proposition better this time around.
@@scotttild I’d tend to agree with Ryan’s comment, that the difference between native 4k on the JVC or Sony and quad shift 1080p, that actually shows all 4K pixels individually in a circular rotating motion like the LS12000 and LS11000 and QB1000 is of exceptionally little real world consequence. Other attributes besides 4k pixel panels matter far more to separate your subjective preferences out!
@@scotttild watch this: it showcases the sharpness of the LS12000 1080p quad shift pixel panel sharpness vs the JVC RS2100 (NZ7) 4K panel pixel sharpness. th-cam.com/video/2wsF1ead-S8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=U0Xm1D3uv-CIXXGh
Looks like the black levels have taken a hit on the qb also? The 1917 clip the blacks look not as dark as the LS. So much for improved blacks lol Only constructive point I would say is having the hdr slider on 5 is a little generous. In my case anyway 7/8 seems to be the sweet spot with anything higher blowing out whatever it does in gamma/brightness
@@ElDukeo I don’t agree too much with this observation because dynamic tone mapping SHOULD be raising the brightness level of a scene like that 1917 stairstep scene. That’s one of its purposes. To reduce brightness clipping is just one side of the equation (and it did that too). It should be helping to make a dark dim scene that is otherwise pretty difficult see (because its into the black floor limitation of the projector), more easy to see because it’s re-mapping the scene to something the projector designer knows is more above the black floor limitations of the LCD panel. They should be making it watchable and visible since they have all the parameters of their own hardware model. I would have liked to have seen it much brighter still. The black floor may have given up the tiniest hint overall on the QB1000, but that is such a minor niggle - in most content the intrascene and overall contrast looked pretty much the same to our human eyes in our uncalibrated side by side.
@@jvonengeln Thanks. But aside from the fact that it is intentional in this scene... did you see a difference in the black floor as the German site measured?
@@SamLombardo74 it’s a tiny tiny difference in black floor. It appeared in person like the black floor was a little tiny tiny bit elevated on the QB1000, I’m talking minuscule, and inconsequential, and probably only noticeable in a side by side. You can kind of see it in my Avatar way of the water picture better than anything else, but it’s so close no one should make a decision based on that aspect alone. I got out my Dr Meter lux meter at one point to measure if the blacks were different and they both registered on the device at .2 ft candles. So the meter proved pretty identical as well. That 2.5 million to one vs 5 million to one marketing speak for the LS12000 vs QB1000 seems like nothing more than just marketing spec. I saw no real dynamic dimming or black floor contrast improvements in our little 2-3 hours of testing. The black floor seems subjectively nearly identical. I think we have reached the limits of LCD panel tech because Epson native contrast has t changed in like 4-5 generations now. It hovers around 5,000:1 native and whatever dynamic. Now we didn’t calibrate either projector and we only used one color mode. So with more extensive comparison - there could be other conclusions - but we were using traditionally the best picture mode for dynamic dimming and contrast control. (Dynamic picture mode) and I fully expect it’s pretty representing- aside from individual sample variances that cannot be controlled if you are only comparing two individual units.
@@12P14D22C agreed. For my wallet if this was $6000 US MSRP I would recommend it, for $8000 though, I most often will be recommending folk to the LS12000. This could change with future firmware updates though! Remember that the QB1000 is just released and will have about three years of performance improvements via expected firmware updates, while the LS12000 is probably already near the limits of its expected firmware updates.
@@jvonengeln gonna check out the QB1000 first thing next year and make my decision, using an epson 9400 still ( 6060ub i think is the model name in the US ) and looking for an upgrade.
@@jvonengeln another question, i really like bright pictures and like it when the picture pops. My room is treated, its pretty much black. The JVC NZ500 is the other option. Im gonna take a look at both no matter what i read on the interwebs, but would love to hear your opinion on the NZ500 vs the QB1000 ( if you had the chance to see the NZ500 as well ) i know that ur unable to give definitive answers and so on, just want your take on it. Thanks!
Looked like the 12000 had better black details ok the left. It is not so much the light, it's more like the new one has a generally whiter picture (background). I actually preferred the 12000. But, YT and all that.
Thank you so much for doing this comparison! I am currently in the market for a new projector and this video was right up my alley! I truly appreciate the dedication and work you put into doing the testing, making the video, and the careful comparison of both projectors. This video really helps me become a more educated buyer. Thank you so much!
@@film2354 thanks for the kind feedback! Check out the avsforum thread for a wealth of additional so discussion. It’s linked in the video description.
Same boat, and whilst appreciate new model, bang for buck means I'm closer to getting existing Ls12000 👌
Great job on the video Jonathan. I really like this format and how well you articulate what you are seeing in person vs what the iPhone is able to pick up.
@@Youthman thanks Michael! I miss you brother. Hope all is well!
@@jvonengeln I miss you too bro. I’m grateful for your friendship over the years.
I miss the podcast with all three of you all.
A worthwhile comparison with pertinent information for potential consumers.
@@SealedOrPorted thank you sir
Really helpful guys.
Great work Jonathan I appreciate everything you do with your projector videos, and your feedback always seems fair/accurate & trustworthy.
@@kevings26 thank you Kevin!
Thank you for taking the time to do this!
The tone mapping makes quite a big difference.
Great job 😎👍 thank you!
Thank you for watching!
Great comparison video, Jonathon! Definitely will help me select my upgrade :)
@@nickgjelsten9563 Thank you for the kind feedback Nick.
Great video. Very informative. Please do more!
Thanks Jonathan. Pretty goated review of these
Thanks for sharing this comparison!
Thanks guys, great video. As I am not a videophile I would choose the cheaper LS12000 based on this video.
very helpful,are you guys will also do the comparison to the new JVC's?
@@joniscraacked2 if we had access to one we will. In this case the customers who bought from Ryan allowed us to test them for this showcase before he shipped them out.
@@jvonengeln that would be awsome,i am kind hesitate between nz500 or qb1000 haha
I’ve got an Epson 5050UB and I’m happy with that. If I have to get up close and squint to see meaningful differences, I don’t need to upgrade. I’m waiting for a 200 inch TV to replace my projector!
Thank you! I dnt think the difference is worth the money. The LS12000 is just super value.
Great overview, thanks for sharing! Glad to see some comparisons popping up so soon after cedia.
Quick question, I noticed on the ls12000 if you want low input lag for gaming, you have to enable “fast” instead of “fine” and when you do, it disables frame interpolation so the smoothness of game motion on content that isn’t 120hz is more juddery essentially forcing a choice between better response or better motion. By chance did you happen to notice if the QB has the same limitation?
@@senact3040 a few things to note. Fast is 20ms. Fine is 40ms on the LS12000. I am almost always in fine. Even for most games that level of latency is okay. If I’m playing a platform or something requires precision control, I’ll switch it to fast, but that’s rare. As to judder on fast, it’s unnoticeable 99% of the time whole gaming from PC with wildly fluctuating frame rates game to game. I have a 3080 GPU on my gaming PC and a Xbox Series X and I find both a real treat to game on the LS12000. It’s the best projector I’ve ever had the pleasure of using for gaming. When I’m don’t gaming, if I was using fast, I just switch it back to fine. On the QB1000 I anticipate zero problems with this so long as your game console and AVR both support HDMI 2.1, and you have the 8K enhanced HDMI setting enabled on all three devices. We didn’t get a chance to game on the QB1000, but knowing its heritage is the LS12000 and how good it its, Epson would have to go out of their way to mess up the QB1000 pedigree.
The game I was recently experimenting with was a mario game on the switch. Fast panning and precision controls, 1080p and at best 60fps. Fine mode does not impede my ability to play but when set to fast, the control response is noticeably better to me, basically going from great to excellent. The motion on fine without interpolation seemed poor to me but with it on high, it was a real treat and looked fantastic. On fast, the motion was roughly between those two examples. I haven’t tried a 120hz signal from the xbox yet but looking forward to trying it. Right now I’m favouring better motion since the input lag is not detrimental
Thanks for the comparison. I really wanted the new JVC but they're wildly expensive, and Epson was an option but they're models before these were a great price but just not enough performance for my needs. This seems to be the perfect compromise. (whenever it goes on sale)
Some useful stuff here. I know it's just a phone video but while the LS12000 isn't as bright, it kind of looks like the blacks are deeper in this comparison. I'd love to see a detailed review of the 8k pixel shifting on a large screen (150 and up) using a legit 4k blu ray.
We got you covered on some of your wishlist. The green used was a 160” 16x9 screen, and while we were only filling it up about 2/3a to 3/4… it passed the general idea. Point 2, this content was played back on Kaleidoscape which is HD Blu-ray or better than on every single thing. So your 4K HDR disk source wishlist bullet was met by the source device.
I think you just saved me $3k. Was getting a little FOMO after hearing about the QB1000. I think the LS1200 is the sweet spot of performance per dollar. I think I'll go with that for my theater.
The improvements in HDR with the QB1000 is subtle but what's most noticeable is much better the blacks look which effects most other scenes including the whiter ones because there's not that blue tint you seems to see in every scene with the LS12000. Until the QB1000 is compared side by side with both the Sonys and JVC it's hard to know whether they have done a good job with their DTM or not.
@@SuperBloodyskull I spent two years with the JVC RS2100 in ownership. I can pretty squarely say the JVC DTM is more aggressive and less subtle - and what’s more has tiers you can change like Auto-wide, or 0-5. Epson needs to do similar with a future firmware update, so the user has some degree of control over the intensity of the DTM application. I’d like to have seen more aggressive raising of the shadow detail on the dark scenes like 1917. In the video, the camera was picking up more difference than we were seeing in real life. Always consider in a side by side, cameras exaggerate differences. I’ve participated in several blind test projector shootouts, and when people can’t tell the difference to their eyes, they’ll pull out a camera and see the differences more easily.
@@SuperBloodyskull also please for sure understand the camera exaggerates the blue tint, and these weren’t gamma or color calibrated, which would also help reduce blue tint on dark content. That said the LS12000 is commonly noted to have this as a minor issue, and it wasn’t observable on this particular QB 1000 to our human eyes out of the box. So here’s to hoping it’s no longer a common minor issue with the new QB1000.
@@jvonengeln Do you think Epson will update the DTM in the way you describe or hold it back for new modells in the future? Is it possible to change that via an update, even if Epson is willing to to that.
I think this possibilty would be great, if the the user could get some controll the DTM to personal preferences.
Thanks for the comparison.
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@@rjmiles2447 thanks for watching and commenting!
Im not foot guy but dig the comparison on the projectors 😅😂
Awesome video and handy resource.
Will checkout owners thread 🍻
Good to see a comparo. It seems unlikely it's worth the premium for the QB, to be honest, not when you can get into a JVC for that money. Also, Epson makes a lot of mistakes like the full fade to black thing... hell, my LS800 UST doesn't even have calibration options which is crazy town for a projector at that price point.
Should also Compare with some of the new JVC.
I was looking for a comparison of the LS12000 and the QB1000 and finally found it! thx so much.
@@robertovital9369 I’d love to, but don’t have one. In this case Ryan is a dealer for Ascend audio and two folk who were buying new projectors reached out and said they’d like to let us review and even compare their products before Ryan shipped them to them. It was a generous offer and really the only way this happened!!!
My main takeaway is that the differences between these two projectors are negligible and will only be noticed in a side-by-side comparison, except maybe for motion interpolation. By using DTM on the LS12000 via madVR freeware in a HTPC setup, will the picture of both these units be indistinguishable? In other words can the extra cost of the onboard DTM of the QB1000 be offset by using a HTPC?
@@michaeldee3380 there is some discussion on that on page 3 and 4 of the avsforum thread linked in the picture. Frankly I’m curious myself. The frame interpolation upgrade was my favorite upgrade, and the fan speed change. I was expecting the extra brightness and dynamic tone mapping to be more observable, but we didn’t see that to help the case watching content. Do consider, that there are potentially firmware updates coming to improve xyz on the QB1000, but it’s likely the LS12000 won’t see many more updates.
Hey! Is there not a pwm flicker free projector in the range of like $1000? Or even better, maybe a portable projector to carry in your backpack? Thanks !
@@davidreimer2759 a used Epson 5040UB should be less than $1000 and is a great projector for SDR. I don’t know about portable units. Look for one that is LCD based and not DLP based and you’ll be more likely to avoid PWM.
@@jvonengeln ok got it thank you for the reply!
@@jvonengeln Hey! What do you think about an epson TW3200? It says it also has 3lcd technology just as the epson 5040ub does. I could get the tw3200 second hand along with a new lamp but want to make sure it’s pwm free first and also it might be more than 10 years old not sure if that’s a bad thing? Thanks!
great video!
For having all the lights off the Epson 6050/ LS1200 is overkill already when it comes to brightness so I think the better comparison is in a room with white walls and a ceiling with some ambient light, in that case, the QB1000 will probably blow the others away. People are happily rocking JVC's with 1/2 the brightness of the LS12000. I have a dark room so it is the LS12000 for me but if you have the bones get the QB1000 and know if your wife wants some lights on you will still get a great picture.
It is NOT overkill lol. You gain better HDR performance with those extra lumens. At MWAVE 2023 & 2024 I got to see the NP5, NZ7, NZ8, NZ9, NZ800, N900, LS12000, and more on 150" screens side by side in a pitch black room. At MWAVE 2023 the NZ9 benefitted from the extra lumens and had much better HDR than the NP5/NZ7, and a little better than the NZ8. The LS12000 was no where near as good. They tested here on a 160" screen in this video, where extra lumens would matter even more.
Thanks to everyone
Absolutely awesome comparison. Wow!
Now I hate to ask, but any “friends” with the new JVC 500 / JVC 700 for comparison?
@@marvinabugov4579 not yet. We are taking applications! ;)
@@jvonengeln My local canadian dealer is deciding which JVC to bring into the showroom. (They just let me know the CDN$ costs.) They passed on the QB1000 for demo deciding to bring in the LS12000 instead.
@@jvonengeln A calibrator in Toronto indicated to me that he has already seen the JVC 500 vs 700 (at their Toronto office) and that there is a significant difference.
@@marvinabugov4579 Between those two or the Epsons? Because I think the 700 literally has a claim of double the contrast vs 500.
@@KimmoJaskari Yes, I am closely watching for a review of the 500 vs 700. Meanwhile, There is a review already about the Epsons: Verdict: QB 1000 is definitely brighter, but overall, not much different EXCEPT the QB has much more to grow with firmware updates while the LS is likely nearing the end of what can be done to improve it.
In the white screen scene I saw some detail on the CB1000 side that was missing from the LS12000 side. In other scenes the extra brightness of the QB1000 seemed to wash out the colors and background contrast more than the LS12000. I don't think the differences I saw are worth the price difference between the two. I've been waiting for Epson to come out with an affordable native 4K projector, but it seems their pricing is comparable to other brands native 4K projectors. Seems like Epson may be loosing their more bang for your buck business model.
@@BlueAdept596 I do think their pricing is too high on the QB1000. I also think that QB1000 is a small evolution up over the LS12000. As in I’d rather own the QB1000, but not personally for a cost of $3k more.
Sony xw5000 or qb1000 which is better for dedicated home theatre
@@mukeshgoyal1155 Sony is overpriced in their 5000 series. It’d take the qB1000, and get the nicer lens memory and focus controls, among other things like extra brightness. At MWAVE 2024 the Sony 5000 was preferred less than the JVC and Epson by the rank and file attendee.
is it a actual review if you don't see feet in the picture lol. Great video thanks for getting a look at these too compared too each
@@triplerinse and now we know who has a foot fetish! Achievement unlocked!
Ha. I kid. My wife too told me I should have edited them out when she watched this. Let this be a consideration to all about floor to ceiling projector screens, AND the value of black socks at a projector shootout! ;)
@jvonengeln it's just so common in pictures and videos in the theater space, I had to say it. There is something to say about not touching the image in comparison videos even if it's something trivial as a crop just to hide something like that.
@@triplerinse I was thinking the same. I didn’t want people to think there were editing shenanigans going on. It was just a little informal comparison at the end of the day. Thanks for watching and sharing a little humor!
Knowing that Jonathan already owns the LS12000, I was looking forward to this review. I've seen two other TH-cam videos of side-by-side comparisons, one with a diagonal split and one with a full screen of each switching back and forth, and there was a dramatic difference in favor of the QB1000 in both cases. In this review, the differences were subtle. Of course, we don't know what setting the other projectors were on, but I find it odd there is little to no difference in this comparison when the other ones were so stark? Also, it sounded like the dynamic tone mapping didn't make much difference when in theory, it should make a substantial difference. Is it just a poor job of mapping being done?
@@kelvinburton5439 are the other reviewers so far selling something? I saw those videos too and knew something seemed off. As to dynamic tone mapping working. It is! It’s just kind of subtle. I wish you could turn up the intensity of the dynamic tone mapping a little bit instead of an on/off toggle. Maybe Epson can address this request via a firmware update!
@@jvonengeln Is there a reason that Dynamic mode was used? That's the least likely setting most people would have their projector on. How do they compare when using a film mode or normal mode?
@@jvonengeln Do you think JVC DTM is not better than the Epson one, only more aggressiv? But Epson lags of the possibility to change the setting to personal preferences?
Glad I held off these new models look great but Epson upped their prices. JVC is native 4k for about the same price.
The native 4k vs pixel shift has nearly zero advantage in real world side by side. Quality of lenses and unit sample variation have shown to matter more. There are, however, very real advantages to the JVCs with useful improvements on the new models (They've always had better contrast and Tone mapping as well), and the fact they didn't raise prices in the process is a bonus. JVC thus far looks to have evened the value proposition better this time around.
@@scotttild I’d tend to agree with Ryan’s comment, that the difference between native 4k on the JVC or Sony and quad shift 1080p, that actually shows all 4K pixels individually in a circular rotating motion like the LS12000 and LS11000 and QB1000 is of exceptionally little real world consequence. Other attributes besides 4k pixel panels matter far more to separate your subjective preferences out!
@@scotttild watch this: it showcases the sharpness of the LS12000 1080p quad shift pixel panel sharpness vs the JVC RS2100 (NZ7) 4K panel pixel sharpness. th-cam.com/video/2wsF1ead-S8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=U0Xm1D3uv-CIXXGh
@@jvonengeln Is the Epson throw the same on the QB 1000 as LS1200 ?
Looks like the black levels have taken a hit on the qb also? The 1917 clip the blacks look not as dark as the LS. So much for improved blacks lol
Only constructive point I would say is having the hdr slider on 5 is a little generous. In my case anyway 7/8 seems to be the sweet spot with anything higher blowing out whatever it does in gamma/brightness
I noticed that too. Right at first glance. And it matches the measurement from the German Avitect test. Archaea, did you see it that way too?
@@ElDukeo I don’t agree too much with this observation because dynamic tone mapping SHOULD be raising the brightness level of a scene like that 1917 stairstep scene. That’s one of its purposes. To reduce brightness clipping is just one side of the equation (and it did that too). It should be helping to make a dark dim scene that is otherwise pretty difficult see (because its into the black floor limitation of the projector), more easy to see because it’s re-mapping the scene to something the projector designer knows is more above the black floor limitations of the LCD panel. They should be making it watchable and visible since they have all the parameters of their own hardware model. I would have liked to have seen it much brighter still. The black floor may have given up the tiniest hint overall on the QB1000, but that is such a minor niggle - in most content the intrascene and overall contrast looked pretty much the same to our human eyes in our uncalibrated side by side.
@@SamLombardo74 see my reply to EIDukeo.
@@jvonengeln Thanks. But aside from the fact that it is intentional in this scene... did you see a difference in the black floor as the German site measured?
@@SamLombardo74 it’s a tiny tiny difference in black floor. It appeared in person like the black floor was a little tiny tiny bit elevated on the QB1000, I’m talking minuscule, and inconsequential, and probably only noticeable in a side by side. You can kind of see it in my Avatar way of the water picture better than anything else, but it’s so close no one should make a decision based on that aspect alone. I got out my Dr Meter lux meter at one point to measure if the blacks were different and they both registered on the device at .2 ft candles. So the meter proved pretty identical as well. That 2.5 million to one vs 5 million to one marketing speak for the LS12000 vs QB1000 seems like nothing more than just marketing spec. I saw no real dynamic dimming or black floor contrast improvements in our little 2-3 hours of testing. The black floor seems subjectively nearly identical. I think we have reached the limits of LCD panel tech because Epson native contrast has t changed in like 4-5 generations now. It hovers around 5,000:1 native and whatever dynamic. Now we didn’t calibrate either projector and we only used one color mode. So with more extensive comparison - there could be other conclusions - but we were using traditionally the best picture mode for dynamic dimming and contrast control. (Dynamic picture mode) and I fully expect it’s pretty representing- aside from individual sample variances that cannot be controlled if you are only comparing two individual units.
3000$ diffrence in the US? In germany its 4500€ for the LS12000 and 5500 for the QB1000.
@@12P14D22C agreed. For my wallet if this was $6000 US MSRP I would recommend it, for $8000 though, I most often will be recommending folk to the LS12000. This could change with future firmware updates though! Remember that the QB1000 is just released and will have about three years of performance improvements via expected firmware updates, while the LS12000 is probably already near the limits of its expected firmware updates.
@@jvonengeln gonna check out the QB1000 first thing next year and make my decision, using an epson 9400 still ( 6060ub i think is the model name in the US ) and looking for an upgrade.
@@jvonengeln another question, i really like bright pictures and like it when the picture pops. My room is treated, its pretty much black.
The JVC NZ500 is the other option. Im gonna take a look at both no matter what i read on the interwebs, but would love to hear your opinion on the NZ500 vs the QB1000 ( if you had the chance to see the NZ500 as well ) i know that ur unable to give definitive answers and so on, just want your take on it. Thanks!
This is a little disappointing but also shows how great the LS12000 is.
Looked like the 12000 had better black details ok the left. It is not so much the light, it's more like the new one has a generally whiter picture (background). I actually preferred the 12000. But, YT and all that.
@@bloodcarver913 in person the differences were even less than the video. The camera tends to exaggerate differences on two displayed images.
@@bloodcarver913 read the comment thread also with @EIDukeo.