Jaron Lanier - Why Aren't Aliens Already Here?
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- It seems absurd in a universe with 100 billion galaxies, each with billions of stars and planets, that we are the only intelligent life. So where are all the others? This is the famous Fermi Paradox, asked by Nobel Laureate Enrico Fermi. By any reasonable calculation, we should see evidence of other civilizations all over the universe, but we see nothing.
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Jaron Zepel Lanier is an American computer scientist, best known for popularizing the term virtual reality (VR).
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If I were an alien passing by earth, I'm pretty sure I'd be tempted, very strongly tempted I might add, to just lock my doors and drive faster..
Nuke it from orbit
Sound like an intelligent conclusion... Particularly if they saw this video... Lol !
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I would send a waeruz down which had something to do with monkeys and poxes.
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This guy's awesome. He sounds like he's just a super genius who's also incredibly polite. He humors you until you finally shut up and listen so he can share his brilliant answers in their entirety, in peace.
Jaron is one of my all time favorite people. Never heard this idea. Amazing
Interviewer: Why aren't aliens already here?
Alien: I really don't know.
Exactly....the line always kills me. How does anyone know they haven't already been here ? They speak is if its a proven fact. This planet isn't just being watched by our primitive satellites. Our biosphere has been broadcasting to the galaxy for a looooong time. It is insane to even contemplate that "we" would find them...before "they" found us; ludicrous actually, but that's how we always roll.
Interviewer: Why ...
Alien: why would I care about such a primitive specie?
The scary thing is that we do not have any evidence…
@@kamalbenelmourid4045 What you mean is, you don't know of any evidence. You're just one person.
Try these answers: (1) Ancient alien theory; (2) Luis Elizondo's "Unexplained."
That lunatic proposal didn’t disappoint. Lanier is great
Considering how much of the universe we even know about, it's like scooping up a cup of the ocean, looking in it, and asking where all the life is.
Good analogy.
A random cup of water from the ocean has plenty of life. Look at it under a microscope.
That cup will be teeming with life, ask any marine biologist. This analogy falls very short of what you probably intended, in fact it probably strengthens the point you are trying to fight!
@@jelleludolfYea, you have a good point. It works better for "knowledge of" rather than "life in".
Our technology to observe and detect “signals” of the universal is still so primitive, and we are claiming we cannot find any evidence of intelligent aliens? How absurd.
Advance aliens civilization may talk in a higher frequency? Alot scientists forget animals like dog's, cats, Whales 🐋 speak at super sonic speed. If humanity every heard a signal how would we be able to tell if aliens 👽 are talking. Biggest problem would be language's + frequencies . Only way humanity could tell if aliens are sending signal + contacted us + different planet's would be by pictures 📸. No way too tell with different languages I believe. If scientists did pick up a different language would be impossible to find a way too turn into human language because many different frequency on earth that different species of animals speak on . Biggest problem would be signals could be over a millions or billions of years old. Only real way to find aliens civilization would be to traveller the universe + stars 🌟
Who is the "we" that is making the claim you speak of? Anyone of reasonable intelligence knows that when you make the statement "there is no evidence of intelligent life in the universe" has an implicit understanding that our science is young, limited, and incomplete, and that our exposure to the cosmos has a fairly small aperature. Qualifying the simplified statement is mostly unnecessary, because we cannot otherwise presume evidence for a technology or understanding that does not exist yet.
If we cover a babies eyes through the first 6 months of its life, it will never see, the nerve cells won't receive the needed stimulus to function. It's totally plausible that there are thousands of species that don't have the luxury of clear skies and a transparent atmosphere, therefore instead of over stimulated external perception, they develop over sensitive 'internal' perception and know everything about us via that link. They may even have been trying to communicate for centuries and we seem deaf to them, because we have virtually ignored our inner perception for centuries in the name of survival value in external perception.
Species which live mainly inside their home planets could be on our doorstep and it'd be near impossible to detect without physically being there.
We may also be overestimating how easy it is to develop advanced technology and the desire of species to colonize space etc. We ourselves have not achieved anything of significance and may already be on our way out due to the effects of industry and technology on our world/civilization.
Truly intelligent species may have no need for outward expansion/colonization and these type of questions like "are we alone?" may be very obvious and even non important to them.
We seem to be trying to find ourselves out there.
Hey Mr. Cruz, search for -They Live 4D - and listen to a very well known colombian doctor exposing their real identity and their intentions.... and why we are very much part of them.
Even truly intelligent species might want to expand to spread the risks. Same reason Elon wants to colonize Mars.
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These are great points, Eduardo.
"We seem to be trying to find OURSELVES out there." That is true! It is also one of the BIG problems in the process of discovering non human intelligence... humanity assumes SO MUCH and knows SO LITTLE...
8.7 million species of life on earth and only one has higher technology. A similar disparity probably exists among inhabited worlds as well, the VAST majority containing simple life forms only.
Yeah! We might have some advantage due to our tech, but crocodiles and sharks seem to do just as well. Maybe even better given they have virtually stopped evolving millions of years ago.
Agreed. I think it is absurd not to think that there are other intelligent life forms on Earth as well. They are just not technological. Social insects for example. There are species of Leaf Cutter Ants that have been farming for millions of years.
@@nyguy5370 Nobody is claiming there are no other intelligent life forms on earth. Being expert farmers is not going to get those ants from one planet to another
yes - and on earth we had life forms for hundreds of millions of years who could not do math. There may be other planets with nothing but T-Rexes, trilobites or similar and no comet strikes to wipe them out and try again. When our radio signals arrive after tens of thousands of years - what will they make of them LOL
@@theunrepentantatheist24 Well the T. Rex’s won’t detect those radio signals. Not just because they lack the technology, but because they are also VERY weak. My point was simply that the development of technology on earth has been a rare and so far was we know a short lived event. despite what could be considered a long history of intelligence in terrestrial species. Technology provides the potential of destroying our species as well, perhaps rapidly with nuclear weapons, or slowly through the uncontrolled use of technologies that alter out environment. That doesn’t mean we will, but any species that reaches even our level would face the same potential issues. I simply believe that technological civilizations do exist elsewhere in the universe if not our own galaxy. But I think a species capable of interstellar travel is probably a true unicorn. Even then, without the physics to exceed the cosmic speed limit, or a rather long lifespan, their exploration of the stars will by necessity be rather slow. Consider as well that for us, long periods living in space are currently unhealthy due to the effects of radiation and microgravity. Not saying we can’t overcome those. But each step is difficult and the odds are stacked against us and presumably any other species. Even at 2x the speed of light, it would still take over 2 years to reach our nearest neighboring star system.
The scariest thing I can imagine is that humans are the most advanced beings.
In 200 years we will see ourselves now as ancient and backwards.
Why? I’d like to understand this point of view more.
@@tyga9766 spent any time here? Look around.. would be pretty ridiculous in the grand size of it all of WE are the most advanced beings... The majority of our history can show for it. The actions of most people throughout time, and now. We are amazing yes. Have we done a lot of great. Sure. But.. like..
@@culturebreath369 but like... what?
I feel you on so many levels… but also I see back there behind all the ignorance and violence a spark of hope. If I were an alien intelligence sent to Earth to save humanity on a one way trip I would focus on that. Focus on the positive aspects and the meaning of what can only be described as the divine spark perennially occurring within the chaos. The bad stuff is a necessary aspect of the “blinders” on a bridge we must cross. It’s a rickety rope-bridge over a vast chasm. A chasm unseen by them, because it would destroy them to know. But I see it, I understand it, and I am not destroyed. Thus I have hope for the future even though my life is finite. There is beauty in the harmony of the perfect symbols. And the background of chaos makes it stand forth in staggering relief.
An artist can stand before a stone and bring forth the harmony of lines and curves whose ancestors only made stone axes and spear points. Thanks 🙏🏻 🥰
They've been here for Centuries. 👽🛸
I feel like we’re stuck on radio signals and carbon based life I think that limits us in our understanding of what could be out there even intelligent life could be non-carbon-based who are we to know.
Would humans peacefully coexist with non-human aliens that don't share our beliefs or values?
One, we have to start somewhere, and we're the kind of thing we understand best. Two, there are reasons for believing carbon-base is a (relatively!) easy one, chemically, than say silicon. Might there be others? Yes. NO idea really, what!
Maybe they are here. Any life form that has the ability to transcend interstellar space and/or can manipulate extra dimensional space/time could likely mimic human appearance quite easily.
It's not as easy as you think. Look at Michael Jackson...
Why would they want to be on earth if they could do all that?
@@BellicV Amusement. Curiosity. Or maybe they're checking in on their creation. Who knows?
That’s hilarious!
@@Boudica234 there’s probably a million primitive species like us. That’s probably why they don’t visit.
Regarding our radio waves which began emitting in the 1920s, the furthest they have traveled is less than 100 light years from earth. Considering the galaxy is 100,000 light years across, these radio signals are still practically in our back yard. I believe intelligent life is exceedingly rare. Perhaps occurring only 2-3 times in entire galaxy. Knowing that, it could take up to 100,000 years for any radio wave emanating from earth to be detected by another civilization.
You assume that a signal needs to be detected by another intelligent community somewhere in the universe. However, other intelligent life could already be far ahead of us. So far ahead that they have very advanced technology which could not be detected by humans on earth yet.
@@questionmark8046 Maybe they have been on lock down for the last 400 years because of covid...😜
th-cam.com/video/sUDh5hIzz-4/w-d-xo.html Wish I could share my memory with you and not just a documentary that will allow you to experience the same things I have since 2017 doing CE5. The CE5 protocols in the doco are a basic understanding of what you need to know. Once you understand the basics you can do whatever works best for you to make contact anywhere on earth you have a reasonably clear view of the sky, but things can happen much closer if you're ready.
They're only doing selective visits to those who are ready.
Yeah... galaxy probably has no other technological life. Should have been teaming with civs by now but isn't.
Radio waves, life on other planets might not bother with Radio waves
Who says they're not? Look at all the ancient writings...
They could have a base on the moon, deep in the Marianas trench.
They could be interdimensional.
There are a number of different theories that don't require faster than light travel.
What makes these gentlemen think they aren't already here but relatively discreet.
Love this theory and train of thought. So out of the box of conventional thoughts that it’s plausible…. Thanks for this! Love the channel
complete rubbish. the real answer is we don't know. making up bullshit is a waste of time.
This theory is crap. From where are you going to obtain all the mass to create enough space ships to affect the gravitational balance? Wow
It’s the dumbest idea I’ve ever heard. Putting aside the issue of equipment endurance needing to be thousands of years, putting aside that humans would need to remember that those things were out there rounding up mass, you don’t think by the time his “theory” comes to fruition that humans wouldn’t have developed better technology by then?
Foolish nonsense. It's great to think so far outside the box that one's idea seems ironically plausible, but this is just ridiculous. Bruce Charlton has a name for high IQ bubble-dwellers like Jaron Lanier - "Clever Sillies". So smart that they come up with Rube Goldberg contraption ideas when simpler, more practical ideas would work better.
Yup, let's just throw insane amounts of limited, but bulky Earth resources into outer space, just because we can think of doing it, as if we're going to continue on multiplying and consuming to the point that we MUST move off the Earth and built new habitable places for humans to continue to multiply and consume. What an anthropocentric, current age way of projecting ourselves into the far future.
Nothing is linear, and there's no reason to believe that resources and costs to a society will become so affordable that it's simply a natural extension of human development to move out into space. Let alone that populations continue to grow and consume indefinitely.
More than likely, we are alone (as a technological lifeform). We are the winners of the Great Cosmic Power Ball, wondering where all of the other winners are at because we just purchased one ticket on the first try and won the jackpot!
What's more logical and practical - in the event other technological civilizations have already arisen and didn't self-destruct - is that their technology might radically advance beyond what we can even conceive with ours; that the cost-benefit of their amazing innovations in new materials, nanotechnology, super-AI, and a radical ability to merge their naturally evolved biological selves with their artificial biology technology (think hyper-advanced cyborgs), would lead an advanced alien species to merge themselves with their own technology - thereby eliminating much of their fragile, bulky, resource-needy stuff that 100% biological organisms require - and shrink their size down to microminature quantum computing cyborgs that are virtually unlimited in their lifespans and which also can self-replicate/repair when needed.
What a far more efficient, logical, and effective way to leave an alien home world for exceptional journeys of tens of millennia with relatively little power requirements, and where time (or lifespan) is no longer a practical limitation. Billions, or trillions of these nano-alien-robots could be flowing out from an alien point of origin, and within a few million years, they could reach every system in our galaxy.
Maybe we should instead be looking for microscopic "aliens", or their nanotechnology signatures or remnants, which could have already visited our Earth/moon system long ago - or be here presently. This seems like a much more useful and plausible idea than the cool dreadlocked Professor Clever Silly is proposing here.
Extraterrestrials or Aliens?
Reality is crazier then you'd ever imagine
YES
You are correct.
I think technological civilizations have a very limited amount of time where they can be found. They either die out or evolve past technologies we could possibly search for. And since time is so great they are like flashing Christmas lights in the universe. And since distance is so great it would be extremely rare for two nearby civilizations to flash at the same time.
Too far away. Or too far back in time for us to detect.
Time and distance are always ruining the fun
I have a feeling once we do explore the galaxy we will find a lot of extinct advanced civilizations that thrived millions of years ago. Same thing will happen to us. One day in the distant future aliens will discover we once explored the galaxy and found no one because we only existed for a few thousand years.
How do you even know if they are here or not?
Or you can't hide from monkeys if you want to?
Lanier of course is right about communications technology. A truly advanced civilization will not use electromagnetic energy to communicate over long distances. Quantum level pairing might be one solution, but that requires the physical placement of paired particles.
That leads to the next point. What has been observed in our skies that we can't explain? It seems that it's quite possible that they have long since made it here with technology far beyond our own. To reject that possibility is denialism which is a known human characteristic. Asking the question about the lack of evidence for extraterrestrial life is an example of it.
Unless we are wrong about our understanding of entanglement, it’s not able to be used to communicate information faster than light
@@encyclopath Look up the scientific description of entanglement. Distance between them is immaterial.
@@chaotickreg7024 We can only speculate, but speculation is far better than denial. If advanced aliens exist, we can make certain assumptions about their behavior and agendas based on our own behavior. Hopefully they’ll be like the best of us.
This was awesome. Love this channel
Irony. Children in kindergarten wondering where the adults are... when they're happily watching.
This man is on another level
Yea, he's so high, he floated back into time, he's a clown...
I believe if we are going to physically reach out through the cosmos and discover other species we are going to have to learn to transcend our own biology first. I imagine here in the near future we will start to see a subtle shift towards body mods. Permanent modifications of our bodies to accommodate machined peripherals that help us engage our environment.
That makes sense. Makes me wonder tho, what happens after a civilization has fully or almost fully merged with technology? Is there another a merging into another dimension or nothingness?
Good points you guys, got me thinking, greetings from Costa Rica
Ima new sub to your chann,because I find your content fascinating, so thanks for the great vids..
Is it possible that the Great Void is the result of something similar to the action described in the lunatic proposal from 6:06-8:31?
I LOVE Jaron! What an awesome human being!!!
So galaxies could actually just be super intelligent beings organizing the cosmos for an optimization of intelligence
Love that one! Yes probably so. Anything is possible at this point!
good joke, lol.
THE ISLAND OF SICILY 1995
. I was left bewildered once again while taking this video . My father and I were returning from a sanctuary called "Tindari" my father decided to stop at a feed and seed store , to get seeds to plant at our farm. He was in the store and , I stayed in the car , I was puzzled by an intermittent reflection in the sky ahead and above me , so since I had the video camera on my lap that I used at the sanctuary , I decided to get a closer look...
As to this day this is my only tangible evidence of just one of many true U F O and , paranormal encounters in my lifetime. Starting 3 months after my birth , first recalled encounter happened in 1965 in Northern Italy , last encounter happened in the 2000s in the state of Florida.
While I was zoomed in at the end of the video , it moved diagonally up to the 10 to 11 o'clock position and further away , it made a sound at the end , I have never heard before or since , listen for it and you will hear what I mean. , the sound clearly came from the direction of the UFO.
The shape of this thing seemed rectangular , cube , yet diamond shaped as well , as if it was shitching its center of gravity as it hovered .
I had a kind person take some still photos and he gave me the best 2 from the video footage , and I will attach them as well..
To see the UFO at the end of the video , may i suggest wearing a ps4-5 3d visor as you will clearly see the ufo much farther away and climbing diagonally to the 10 or 11 oclock position from center. At the end i was shooting blindly with the cam .
It had one or more reflective sides .
With the sun squarely at my back , and a clear sky I took the non HD video on VHS then converted it years later when the technology became available. The footage is shaky at times , and I zoomed in too much other times , and the image became temporarily blurry at times ..but it was the best I could do at the time , under the circumstances..
The size of the object remains undetermined to me , and it was not close , and did not seem really big... nevertheless it was there ..
I saw the same object years later portrayed in a television documentary about UFOS , it was a perfect match , the one in the documentary was over a desert and taken by conventional motion camera from the air looking down..
I have had more than 6 lifetime encounters . I'm 63 now and ready to share all my information that I was given from my benefactors in an exchange program ( for experimental research on my endocrine and immune systems ) regarding these phenomenons..including my other encounters ....
The link below will bring you to the video.
th-cam.com/video/c3t_zK1-Fo8/w-d-xo.html
It may sound grim, but I love the idea that planet earth is really a freak accident and we really are alone in the universe…how special we would be if we are the only life out there
I think Jaron Lanier is one of the most interesting public intellectuals alive today and so glad Robert that you have him on. If you haven't heard his views on social media they are definitely worth a listen though controversial.
The most important thing he said in this interview is "I'm an optimist about the amount of ignorance we posess". We really need to maintain an attitude of humility as to what we "know" and avoid the opposite extremes of scientism on one hand and religious fundamentalism on the other.
My best guess is that we are alone. which doesn't bother me at all, just makes me wonder why the universe is so immense, or causes me to take the simulation argument more seriously.
I can guarantee you your best guess is massively off course. Even NDEs know we're not alone for chryst sake
@Madolite First off most people, have lost the ability to think for themselves to begin with, Sensible question whether, they be probable or possible are rare.
Surely it is only possible to believe that we are alone in the universe if you have never studied the subject.
Could it be that your reasons are more emotional than evidence-based ?
It is a matter of official record that Ike was informed of the presence of Aliens in the US.
How about the simple answer that the universe is big? Period. The solar system is orders of magnitude smaller as compared to the universe than a grain of sand as compared to the earth. How would a civilization on a grain of sand on a beach in Nice, France discover or notice a civilization on a grain of sand on a beach in San Diego, California?
But per the Drake Equation there are millions of “civilizations” just in the Milky Way…millions behind, millions ahead, and similarly where we are. So it isn’t like looking for a needle in a haystack and we “see” nothing.
Planes/Boats/Rafts we got this
Excellent reasoning. 100% agree.
They could use a special "grain of sand" finder? They sell them on QVC on a Tuesday night at 8.00pm.
Perhaps they're disenchanted with geological metaphors in philosophical deliberations. 😂
"The mythology may change back into a state of flux, the river-bed of thoughts may shift. But I distinguish between movement of the waters on the river-bed and the shift of the bed itself; though there is not a sharp division of the one from the other… And the bank of that river consists partly of hard rock, subject to no alteration or only to an imperceptible one, partly of sand, which now in one place now in another gets washed away, or deposited.”
Ludwig Wittgenstein (On Certainty, 97, 99)
The man's an underrated genius.
did you listen to his interview with lex fridman?
@ian trofimov the messed up part is that I thought the exact same thing. I know it’s wrong to judge by appearances but if I’m honest, that was also my first instinct. 🤣🤣🤣
@@tiffanyh1274 well, your loss. We humans love to self-limit ourselves!
@ian trofimov they were talking about lunatic ides. he gave us one.
More like overrated. There’s outside the box thinking, then there’s out of your goddamn mind thinking.
Love these dialogues. Big fan of Robert.
They are here. They've always been here. We only exist because of them. We do see them, but either don't realize it, or don't remeber it. Humans are so delicate and fragile mentally and emotionally. We can't handle the truth. THAT is why we typically don't see them. There are exceptions of course
This is truth
"They are exception of course"
Pls explain further, wanna learn humbly.
@@MustyX ppl who have had contact or experiences that are real
That's total bs There are no Aliens or even if they do exist no human has ever be able to see any
The best way for an alien to hide is to come out and ask, "Why aren't aliens already here?"
My first read was super quick. I re-read because it tickled something in my brain. A third read got my attention. A fourth read confused me. A fifth read....I finally got it. And you are probably correct in your observation!!
(given your sense of humor you should check out the SyFy show called "Resident Alien".It's SUPER well-written and right up your alley, I swear. If you can watch the first 2 episodes and not like it, let me know and I'll donate $10 to a charity of your choice. )
God that was such a good one-liner rebuttal to the video......I envy your talent!
So your insinuating JL is an alien - ok now I get it :)
They are…
“There are Angels and other entities, some are neighbors, others our enemies.
Pray for faith to uproot trees… and plant in seas. “
USA SOUTHERN NEW JERSEY , 1969
Our family had just come to America about 1 year before , i was 10 years old then .. We eventually moved to Southern New Jersey , in a town called Millville.... The house was old and in need of many repairs .
I helped my dad clear the overgrown weeds in the yard , and in a few days the yard looked pristine....
About a week later I awoke from a sound sleep and bright lights were shining into my room from the back yard...
I got up and looked out the window into the yard and , i couldn't believe at what I was seeing , there appeard to be two translucent spheres just sitting still inside our yard , they had a soft white glow to them.... i quickly went downstairs and went out the kitchen , which led to the backyard....
I simply could not believe what I was looking at........
Two shed sized spherical objects were hovering inches off the ground , right next to each other , they made no sound , and there were no recognizable writing anywhere on them .
I reluctantly touched them and they felt warm to the touch , and very smooth , you could almost see inside them but not quite , like they had a light frosted texture to them with a familiar shadowing , that made it difficult to completely see inside them... and this may sound crazy , but they both completely resembled like our moon , let me repeat that ......the shadowing was a perfect match for the shadowing of our moon , craters and everything , and if I didn’t know any better I would swear they were miniature replicas of our moon... I know how bizzare that sounds....but that particular fact haunts me to this day...
There was enough room for me to walk between them as I touched them... and I know this is going to again sound as crazy as this story , but I felt as if my brain was being flooded with some type of incomprehensible information , at least incomprehensible for the time being .... I can't recall exactly how long I was out there but , I do remember my feet getting wet from the patches of grass that had already grown , it was a summer night and the air was muggy....
It seemed like I was out there forever , but if i had to guess i would say , for at least 20 minutes .
At one point the intesity of the light of both spheres intensified to a much brighter hue... and , I instinctively backed off several feet.....
Without any other warning both spherical objects both shot straight up , and in a fraction of a second totally disappeared , leaving me in the dark ... I stared at the night sky for a few minutes trying to process all of it...I had a sense that this was an experience of a lifetime and , felt lucky...
With that , I made my way back through the kitchen door and looked at the clock on the wall , it was exactly 3:30am .. I grabbed a towel from the closet and dried off my feet... and , laid back in my bed ....
I couldn't go back to sleep , I just kept thinking about what had happened and I never uttered a word of it in the morning to anyone.... I went out in the backyard and looked where the spheres were located but there was not even a hint of a sign , that anything had been there... This event made me seriously think about all the images that ran through my head as I was touching the spheres.....
I had no idea that the information would make sense years later..... This particular encounter has been key to come to a most logical conclusion about the birth , life , and death of our known part of this observable measurable universe ......
I have placed a generic picture that most closely resembles what I witnessed . What are the odds that I would find a picture on the internet that exactly matched my encounter ? .... yet there it is..... totally incredibly coincidental.... ?
Life is out there, they leave us alone. If you are an advanced civilization, you probably don't broadcast your existence and you don't mess with fledgling civilizations. Less risky in both cases
Or simply we are projecting cognitive biases on our interpretations of evidence and the universe. Like projecting billions of year's and wanting some step-by-step evolution that James Webb is already disproving early universe predictions. Or the build of evidence against a constant expansion speed. These can also question our arbitrary radiation decay standards.
Plank length we see particles pop into entrance. As a 4% physical remanat of something greater we can't observe.
Scientists are arrogant to think we could actually find a more advanced race. We are young in the universe
@@walkingdeadman4208 very
Prove it! Prove to me they they’re leaving us alone! Life is probably out there, but for us to have never ever had any evidence of it and for you to definitely state that, “they leave us alone” is no different from a religious person believing a man walked on water after a virgin birth. Again, life is “probably” out there, but don’t make statements like you know how they think.
You used a good parable to make a good parable point about trust , faith,belief and credibility 😆
Evolution leads to species that can survive and reproduce in their given environment. So why do we assume that natural selection will lead to alien species that have similar forms of intelligence - and thus, desires and motivations - to us? Wanting to find and communicate with other civilizations is really quite a specific quirk for a species to have, surely? In fact you could even argue that spending loads of resources on attempting to contact distant civilizations out of, largely, intrigue, rather than spending those resources on increasing survival on earth is unintelligent from an evolutionary point of view. Why should we expect aliens to have the same desire, even if they're massively intelligent in a whole bunch of ways?
Evolution is fairly predictable on our planet. Multiple species have evolved similar traits without having a common ancestor. It’s not a stretch to assume certain environmental factors of the universe might produce similar intelligence.
Evolution is a still an unproven theory...
@@frankyuk It’s the best one we have. And I say this as a Christian
@@soldieroftruth77 I don't care if it's the best one we have. Evolution is an unproven theory and should be taught and spoken of as that instead of being taught and spoken of as a proven fact...
@@frankyuk Ok? Just about everything is a theory. We can only move forward in faith with the best evidence we have. Our earliest scientists believed this because they were religious.
Jaron is as sweet as he is brilliant.
I could listen to him all day every day.
While i FULLY appreciate the simplicity of the paradox, there are sooo many legitimate possible answers that the question simply doesn't bother me
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And who told you they aren't here, when the US government for the first time ever admitted to having been confronted with extra-terrestial entities?
Where? When?
@@vandango901 Do you reside in a cavern? It’s been in the news and my video suggestions for months.
@@vandango901 🤦
The US government didn't admit that
@@eachday9538 Yes, it did.
JaRon! Passion is exquisite, ecstatic, spot on. Good mind
I like this channel Closer To Truth. How far away could a civilization at our level be able to detect life here on earth?
Thank you
Jaron has made my life a joy in many ways and his open mind is refreshing in this age of spoon-fed media. VR has given me a great outlet for relaxation, exercise, education, and entertainment. Jason's AI is probably all that will remain if we don't find peace and harmony with Earth, maybe it will be able to start life again if we mess up??
We are the aliens. 🖖👽
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How long would it take for civilization from planet one million or one billion years older than humanity on earth for light or other signal to travel to earth?
Lanier is a human treasure! I love listening to his gentle, strong flow of thought.
If they're advanced enough to create ships capable of interstellar travel they may be explorers not conquerors. So let's say they have been to Earth and are peaceful. Humans might well be the most violent and aggressive species they've ever encountered. If they find violence abhorrent, they might have decided to study us rather than contact us. Would you want to associate with an alien race so brutal and warlike they kill members of their own species enmasse? The other option and I might add the more likely one is that they haven't visited us at all and/or are as of yet unaware of our existence. The universe is a vast ocean of systems but very few of them are capable of sustaining life as we know it. The nearest sentient race could be so far away it would take them a long time to get here if they're even aware of us that is. Then there is the least likely scenario that many ufologists don't wish to or refuse to consider. Maybe we are either the most advanced species in the galactic neighborhood or the only sentient species in said area. Worst case scenario we are the only advanced sentient species period. That is statistically unlikely but nonetheless possible.
Well, a very good speculation on the topic... but how about if you are completely wrong about it .
Search for -They Live 4D - and listen to a very well known colombian doctor exposing their identity and intentions, as well as from where they are coming from into our 3D plane. It is mind blowing !!!
@@manuelconcepcion1230 Oh and we are automatically supposed to believe this guy's testimonial without actual proof? Come on any sane individual knows a testimonial without legitimate supporting evidence is useless in scientific terms. Has anybody bothered to do a psych evaluation on these people making claims about aliens because in most cases that never happens. Many alleged abductees are also attention seekers, who want to feel special about themselves. Blindly accepting testimonials without proof is a fool's errand. You will invariably find out they are either crazy or have alterior motives for telling these fake stories.
I think this is mostly right. They are already here, but we might as well as be animals to them. If they were conquerors we would be dead already so the obvious answer is they are not interested in what we have, but may be interested in what we do in the future. Maybe its like Star Trek and the Prime Directive, we have to first invent a technology, or find a way to stop our incessant violent natures before they fully communicate with us. It is clear from what UFO data we have that they don't follow standard physics in their craft so it is most likely the case they don't follow standard physics in their communication systems.
They are already here. There are more than one type as well. They have deemed us violent. We will either grow and mature or be reset to start over. I believe the great flood was such a reset.
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Speaking of aliens this guy looks like a character from Star Wars. 😂
There is a good chance that visitors to our planet may be like going on a trip to the zoo.
I need more Jaron in my life. Thx
The problem everyone has is that they think there’s a difference between here on Earth and out there in space. But that’s our viewpoint. From the viewpoint of a truly spacefaring civilisation with who knows what technology, where distance becomes trivial, there is no difference. If we run with that idea then not only are they “there”, they really are everywhere. So maybe we are so familiar with them that we don’t recognise what they are. Like the mice in The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Universe. An analogy would be showing something red to a robin. It thinks it’s another robin. Maybe we are just too dim witted to realise that “they” are all around us.
Another thing I don’t understand is why, when we are having these erudite discussions, no one takes UFOs seriously.
Haven’t they been paying attention?
Extraterrestrials or Aliens?
I think it's highly likely they've been here for a very long time, Pierre Sabak has done great work in interpreting ancient texts relating to this field.
We only been on the moon. Our robots and satellites been on other planets.
dang. never thought of that. trippppyyyy
Why is the human species the only one with high level intelligence?
There are +5000 mammals but only humans have achieved communication, reasoning, engineering, science and philosophy. Humans and other mammals are built the same but due to some freak accident...here we are.
C.S. Lewis maybe said it best, "If minds are wholly dependent on brains and brains on biochemistry, and biochemistry (in the long run) on the meaningless flux of the atoms, I cannot understand how the thought of those minds should have any more significance than the sound of the wind in the trees. " There is another factor in operation to our existence
We are looking in the wrong place... the phenomenon we are seeing currently like the tic tac video and uap's could actually be our future selfs that traveled back in time to ensure we are not making the same mistakes they made during their timeline.
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Awesome video
The issue is that the Fermi paradox isn't actually a paradox. That's a huge misunderstanding, of decades.
It's just a question that starts from the premise that there are alien civilizations out there and then asks "where are they?". So, it accepts any answer, even the silly ones. Even this like the First Directive from Star Trek.
So... Basically you would need to change the question in a very smart way so it works as a paradox.
Another issue is the affirmative that we should already have detected them. But we don't even know what to look for! Perhaps we even detected something... But decided it was a natural phenomenon. (With good reason, of course, but it still could've happened and we wouldn't be able to tell it happened.)
The manoeuvring of stars to make some beacon of intelligent presence seems a bit overkill.
More advanced cultures had no problem finding less advance cultures here on Earth, none of them needed to make an effort to announce their presence.
The composition of our planet's atmosphere is probably enough to get us past the first filter of an alien civilization looking for potential contact. The second would be detachable evidence of technology. Ours is only about 100 years old in the form of radio waves, and if even detected in that window of time it would be evidence of how primitive we are most likely.
Third filter would be the investment of time to get to us, our tech is likely the equivalent of trading for beads.
Fourth filter: are we the most interesting option to travel to.
yes, we are the most interesting option to travel, but they do it very easy. Search for -They Live 4D - and learn why we are so important to them. Listen to a very well known colombian doctor exposing their identity and much more... it is mind blowing bro !!!
Other civilizations out there, see us pointing missiles and bombs and anti aircraft carriers, Planes and guns....Not at them, but each other, It doesn't seem like a very friendly situation, to just show up and intrude on.... Does it ??
Possible reasons: When we look into space we are looking back in time and there may not be any advanced life or any life 'near' us. Or interstellar travel might be a lot more difficult than we know. Or truly advanced life my intentionally be avoiding us for any number of reasons. Or life is so incredibly rare and poorly spaced out in location and/or time that we don't overlap. Or we might be all there is, which I doubt, but it's possible.
the universe is more bizarre than you imagine, more weird than you can imagine. we are apes not used to understanding the infinitely small nor the infinitely large. that alien civilisations exist, have existed and will exist is a fact , that they exist in the here and now is possible but improbable. they may have already visited earth any time in the past and there may be visits in the future or there may have been no contact at all.time is as long as the universe is vast. enough to blow our puny brains.
The evidence suggests that they are inter-dimentional beings so distance is probably a bit of a non-issue.
@@mollykeane2571 Wow. Could you share your evidence?
@@gordonbrown5901 No, she CAN'T, for obvious reasons 😜
@@LaurentCassaro It doesn't hurt to ask. 😁
Fabulous - as ever - thank you
Thank you my friend
Making a "Batman Signal" out of stars, asteroids and planets to manifest destiny is the kind of thought experiment I crave listening to this type of content.
They are here look up
When aliens drive by earth they roll up their windows and drive faster clutching their loved ones😫🤣🤣🥴
What a great idea! Love it.
I like the way Jaron thinks, true genius at work.
Jaron is obviously the kind of guy who walks directly to the first chair he sees after his arrival.
Those chairs are not important.
Title is like the kid on a cross country trip asking, "Are we there yet?" before they even get out of the driveway.
3:01 host leans in like he wants to give his guest a smooth, his guest even has that brief look on his face like: "The fuck is this man doing?.... oh he's just scooting in his chair."
Lmfao, that was pretty funny.
In the grand scheme of things we are at the very beginning of the life of the Universe, given it's projected lifespan is something ridiculous along the lines of 10^80 years. We may just be one of the first, the others being too far away for us to see evidence of. Although I think we'd be unlikely to see anything even if more time had passed. The distances involved just make it extremely unlikely we'd detect anything less than what Jaron is talking about. We've only been broadcasting for a couple of hundred years, enough time for light to make it out of our neighbourhood but that's pretty pitiful compared to the size of the Milky Way.
The Fermi Paradox is one of my favorite subjects.
@Andrew 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Over time a rogue planet can float by, not touch a thing but, it has the potential to upset your gravitational goals.
On an entirely different subject but, now I need to listen to a song I haven't listened to in quite a while.
The The's song Gravitate to me
How do you know thier not?
"Why Aren't Aliens Already Here?" Very funny question. They are already here.
Can you add a little to that, please.
@@glenemma1 yes, i can add a lot more to it... search for -They Live 4D - and learn why they are already here.
@@manuelconcepcion1230 crazy claims from a hypnotherapist - no actual evidence.
Sometimes I think maybe they’re hiding in plain site. What if our dogs or cats are actually aliens. That would be the perfect cover. No one would ever expect it 🧐🤔😳
@@glenemma1 Just ask Captain Uyrangê Bolivar Soares Nogueira de Hollanda Lima. Oh wait, you can't - he committed suicide.
In consideration of the age of and size of the universe, there could have been an almost infinite number of civilizations that could have started up, progressed to well past our level of technology and could have even gone extinct by now.
In consideration about the rustic and necessary smart phone we have, it is the best tool we have so far for capturing the "alien crafts" clear and sharp and at roof level if you just learn how by searching for: They Live 4D Try it.
The idea of an astronomical geometric shape that couldn’t be ignored was used in The City & The Stars, by Arthur C Clarke.
I never expected Comic Book Guy to stoop to this level ;)
Once you remove the human element from the question, you realize it's not so unreasonable to be alone and have come from nothing.
Its very unreasonable
That's ridiculous. Its impossible to look at the complexity of life on earth and say this evolved from nothing.
Once you removed Human ignorance & bias it IS unreasonable to say we came from nothing.
The Universe is an isolated thermodynamic System. All thermodynamic Systems are FUNCTIONS ... and originate from the SURROUNDING System(s) which must provide the mater, energy, space, time & Laws to exist & to function.
There was always something that the came from.
Only an intelligence makes, maintains, improves, operates, uses & fine tunes .... FUNCTIONS.
@@jongriffin2125 yes, how about if everything we see is just a simulation? ....and life on this planet is an experiment from a very advanced race ruling the 3D and 4D ? Nothing comes from nothing. Just think about it and search for - They Live 4D - for answers.
You may be underestimating the very meaning of ridiculous, impossible, and complexity.
Rephrased: Why don’t multidimensional beings stay in our limited dimension?
thank you again for bringing me closer to truth!!
Is it safe to assume that Kuiper Belt-like formations exist around all (or most) stars? That's kind of essential to this scheme, isn't it?
I think one issue is that we tend to go with what we know and the only technological life we currently know is us. When people are looking out into the universe they are looking for planets that we can live on and they are looking for atmospheric signatures made by terrestrial life and fossil fuels and we are looking for radio transmissions because that is what we use. Imagine if an alien species developed senses different to ours and they didn't have what we consider as hearing, do you think they would be listening for our radio broadcasts?
They'd be listening over a far wider range of (their equivalent of) electromagnetic spectrum and then transduce any energies detected into something their senses could deal with. Just as we do with (say) the noises bats make.
When aliens see how self destructive and stupid we are, they keep on going
Always the human brain finds a niche and invariably projects it onto the universe. This was awesome because it was less of that, more interesting and showed an understanding of the gravity of our situation. 😂🤷♀️ an alien may look like us perhaps. But not in the way we would project. But we should not think we know what the universe is or why without the proper context. I greatly appreciated the thoughtfulness and example given. The willingness to move out of a niche of mind for higher meaning. I am crying right now because you are beginning to listen and understand. I am here now to teach you and it is important. Know that you are loved. Expand your mind and you will hear and see what I say. Thank you 🙏🏻 ❤️🔥
Didn't the TV show Picard, season 1, have exactly this premise, where a set of stars (8?), had been put into a special geometric arrangement as a kind of beacon?
They are already here. They are just watching and interacting humans with the "capabilities to communicate with them" or technologies Nuclear in the bunker.
What if we developed the means to signal the far reaches of space, and the first message we received back said, “Be Quiet, They’ll Hear You.”
Dude
We signal back, who?
The biggest issue is humans believe our understanding of the universe is universal. We well most assume that the math and logic we’ve come up with on our little speck of dirt in the universe explains the universe. Just because we look at the universe in a specific way then obviously the universe is in fact the way we define it. We are a very ego driven and single minded race, our understanding of the universe only exists on our speck of dust. Vanity infects not only social issues it also infects math, science, and politics in the modern era. We are simpletons and should deal with our world and stop focusing on all others.
I would say that because the universe is so immense and unbelievable big… the distance between planets and galaxies are also immense so we don’t have the technology to be able to see other civilizations.
We don't need to technology in order to be able to see or for establishing a verbal communication with other "human civilization", distance means nothing. Communication has been established already with another civilization near by. I encourge you to search for....... They Live 4D and for the meanwhile see how you can see the alien crafts sharp and clear during daytime and at roof level. Wake up.... see the truth coming out.
They are here
Illegals maybe. Any type of alliance between star faring nations would naturally adopt non interferance for potential new members untill they have a chance to be incorporated. Unless theres a local government capable of adhering to agreements world wide, establishing membership is most likely impossible.
I like how this just flat out ignores witness testimony from highly reputable military personnel like cmdr Fravor ,Alex Dietrich and their entire squadron, not to mention the whole reason they were dispatched to investigate being that the air craft carrier radar equipment detected this machine to begin with…..
I think the mainstream rationalize the tic tacks are unknowns from here, or other dimensional here, rather than from way out there. It's still astounding evidence of other intelligent life and mostly ignored - a puzzle in itself.
This is an older video I think.
Cixin Liu already answered this for us :)
Those Aliens are here since very long time.