Discrete Math 1.7.3 Proof by Contradiction

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  • @madigodinez1247
    @madigodinez1247 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    For the second example, why did you assume n was odd? If n being even was the ‘q’, I thought we were assuming ‘not p’ instead of ‘not q,’ which is what you did.

    • @SawFinMath
      @SawFinMath  4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I think my initial slide is unclear. If we have just one statement, like radical 2 is irrational, we assume it is false and prove by contradiction that it must be true. If we have a conditional statement like example 2, then we assume if p then not q and prove by contradiction that q must be true.

  • @cshivani
    @cshivani 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    For 3n+2 case of proof you could use contrapositive or contradiction, both look similar as in you assumed n is not what is expected so assumption is getting violated. My question is how to know which type of proof to apply for a case and what are differences between the above 2 ways . Thanks , appreciate your teaching very much !!

    • @SawFinMath
      @SawFinMath  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      cshivani There is no ‘right’ method for proof, so just go with what you are comfortable with and what requires the least amount of work!

  • @benhaenraets4369
    @benhaenraets4369 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    For the second example... Would it still be considered correct if I used this working...
    assume n is odd such that n = 2c + 1 where c is any integer. So 3n+2 = 6c+5 and is even. We know even = odd + odd, so 6c must be odd, which is a contradiction...
    A reply would be much appreciated!

  • @unnikrishnan3910
    @unnikrishnan3910 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Tank you kim..... ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

  • @Tnt-yw1qt
    @Tnt-yw1qt 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hi what software diid you use ? did you use surface pro ?

    • @SawFinMath
      @SawFinMath  6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Tnt 1111 I use Power Point and the new ‘Recording’ tab on my Surface Pro. I then export the video.

    • @Tnt-yw1qt
      @Tnt-yw1qt 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      thank you BTW nice channel ;)

  • @miriamDev
    @miriamDev 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hi Kim, how do you solve a proof problem with log format.

    • @SawFinMath
      @SawFinMath  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      sam nwabuaso The trick to proof is knowing the theorems and definitions surrounding what you are trying to prove. So to do a proof involving logarithms, you’d want to know any definitions and theorems regarding logarithms.

    • @miriamDev
      @miriamDev 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes exactly because to me its complicated, but I was asked to prove if the logarithm was irrational. Example log 6 base 4

  • @fashionvella730
    @fashionvella730 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    can you please tell me why a must be even

    • @Anonymous_Pi
      @Anonymous_Pi 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      a^2 is even because it is equal to 2b^2. 2b^2 complies with the definition of an even number (2k, k for any number). Also because a square of an even number is even and the square of an odd number is odd, a = even.

  • @christopherapuan9968
    @christopherapuan9968 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks!

  • @hirakumurakami5754
    @hirakumurakami5754 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    3n+2 is even then n is even
    assume n is odd
    n=2n-1
    3(2n-1)=-2
    6n-3=-2
    6n=1
    This is false, therefore by proof of contradiction, n has to be even
    wouldnt this work better and is simpler?

    • @SawFinMath
      @SawFinMath  5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      We can't say 3n+2 is even. We use 2n to be even because whether a value is even or odd, if you multiply it by 2 it is even. We can't say that about 3n+2. If n is odd, then 3n+2 is odd, but if n is even, then 3n+2 is even.

    • @abrilthom895
      @abrilthom895 ปีที่แล้ว

      the contradiction is not in n is even or odd
      the contradiction is n=2k-1, k element of Z, substituting on 3n+2=3(2k-1)+2=6k-3+2=6k-1 so 6k-1 is odd you proved that 3n+2=6k-1 in other words an odd number, but the contradiction is that you asummed that is even tho

    • @abrilthom895
      @abrilthom895 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      you got a contradiction too, for k= even 2k-1 it gives an odd number is better to use 2k+1 for odd and 2k for evven