Response to Mick West Debunking | David Fravor and Lex Fridman
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David Fravor doesn't realize he's being interviewed by the men in black
Hahahaha! Hilarious!
He’s being interviewed by the Man In Black but what people don’t realize is there is only one Man In Black, he’s a 4th dimensional being and the Men In Black are actually the same Man.
I think they have to release more data on these encounters. Most of us can't relate to what these pilots are saying and scientists need more information to understand what they're looking at.
@@Edbrad
THE MAN IN BLACK...NEEDS YOU TO GET...HIS WIFES NAME....OUT YOUR MOUTH!
Never ever doubt a guy with glasses in a Columbia shirt.
I doubt this guy hard
I didn't know that. Do I have to cut my hair too? LOL.
Doubt is the first thing we should all have about ET or UFO claims. Scientifically verifiable evidence from a top Navy pilot... that erases doubt for me. See the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies for more.
@@MyStarPeopleExperiences erases doubt, rather magical thinking it seems
Imagine he had a carhart shirt
Caught a good sale at Kohl's.
Sometimes people become so bent towards being skeptical they don’t realise they’re biased themselves
it goes both ways. if you know you are biased you arent biased anymore
@@karimshebeika8010 that doesn't sound right. just because I know I'm biased means i'm not biased anymore? without even changing my biased opinion?
@Ramzan lol got him 😅
But in fairness, I think his point is a good one meaning that if you are aware of your biases, you are far better equipped to overcome or challenge your bias compared to if you are not even aware you are bias.
Having a bias against the belief in aliens visiting earth in spaceships that can break the laws of physics is sensible. I'm also biased against the belief that Nessy is a dinosaur left over from 65 million years ago. Or that gremlins keep breaking things. Or that sasquatch really is in that video of a guy in an ape suit. Or that the earth is flat.
Mick West's position is to debunk, not determine truth. This is an important distinction when considering his findings.
To suggest that a person the Navy would, not only put into a $65 million aircraft, but send to Top Gun and make a squadron commander, would be so wrong about his own observations is laughable. These guys are EXPERT observers. That's their job. Their job isn't just to shoot at stuff. It's to be forward observers for troops. Estimating the sizes and nature of things is absolutely crucial. This guy is a graduate of Top Gun. You would have to really struggle to find a more competent and credible witness.
I have no doubt Mick West is good at debunking fake UFO stuff, of which I know there's a ton. But sometimes these guys get so locked into debunking, they're as bad as the guys who see UFOs everywhere.
Fraver is the reason I believe after being a skeptic for 50 years. Then watching The Phenomenon and hearing the guys from that Minuteman base where the launch officers, intelligence officers, and guards ALL saw craft scan the silos and disable 10 warheads. The Pentagon is not in the business of putting whackos into nuclear missile silos, let alone, a group of them in a single silo. These are all the most sober and serious people in the world. Anyone prone to flights of fancy simply do not get these jobs.
Mick West not a fan but Mick Dodge is a gangsta
@@petedavis7970 he’s not wrong, he’s bullshitting to get publicity and make money. He’s using his “credentials” and “expertise” to convince the average simp that his testimony is infallible. That’s what people do, exploit common ignorance for fame and fortune.
David Fravor has had IMDB page since he's appearance on a real world style show based on uss nimitz on pbs. He had to be a Public Relations Officer for his part in that show. He was the most senior pilot in the air wing at the time of the incident which means his flight hours are probably less then that of the other pilot s and he flys to maintain flight pay.
He is possibly a crisis actor.
@@Itraininthebogs Yeah, sorry, but I'm going to take the word of an actual patriot instead of some drug addict on the internet. Thanks for chiming in.
I trust Captain Fravor’s assessment of the TicTac’s approximate size. Why? I have some 13 years flying over-water experience, and even as a USCG Dolphin HH-65A helicopter pilot (where we never flew over 12,000’ - usually limited to 10,000’ & where most flew significantly lower’), naval & USCG aviators most certainly learn how to effectively use visual cues along with knowledge of visual illusions, so much so that we can use a mixture of that knowledge to ascertain certain information, like size-even in the absence of Known Image size. This is done with the knowledge of the sea state (height and size of ocean waves) and the reaction of water with the slightest nuance of surface winds. Water does not “scale” significantly to cause huge illusions, therefore sea-state can usually be used to compare or estimate the size of an unknown vessel or airplane (vs the estimated height above water vs the visual condition) over or on the ocean’s surface.
In other words, based on a combination of the above knowledge & physical conditions of the ocean, I trust Captain Fravor’s estimate of 40-feet.
I’d bet you any brand case of beer that Captain Fravor’s size estimate is within 1 or 2 feet of actual size.
I trust Favor a hell of alot more than Mick West. 🤣🤣🤣🤣. Give me a break.
But Sir Why now where already many of us experienced this UAPs or Alien abduction ?
@@johnnyzee383
I was the biggest disbeliever throughtout my life.
Since I experienced it in Midland- Uk year 2000 by own opensenses . I believe the Greys are here to keep us under the circle of humanity . Be good , have good .
Love is everything .
@@91099Babar Exactly. Gnosis 🔥🔥🔥. We dont need more confirmation. We Already KNOW!!👽
The HH-65 is a sexy aircraft.
A Man who has been landing F- 18 on a air craft carrier for 16 years I would never question his judgment
100 perc correct landing on aircraft is bloody hard i believe this guy 100 percent
He just said you cant believe your eyes you must follow your instrements, so could he be wrong with his size n distance? He answerd that question himself! Who knows maybe he has an instrument in his cockpit that lights up "Alien craft 195 degrees"!!! No i didnt think so!!! All i can take from this is what he said, and he said you dont follow your eyes you follow your intruments, so yes he could and most likely was mistaken on size n distance, thats what Mick is pointing out
@ He said the pod was at 13,000ft and he was at 20,000ft...so well over a mile.
Major Music how much experience or knowledge do U have at 20k feet?
Possibly u have been on a plane a few times not really paying attention or trained to understand anything at 20k feet.
Have u not rode in a plane and see another plane a few miles away and could estimate an object 1.5 miles away if it’s the size of a fighter jet or passenger airplane ?
I’m pretty sure a lot of people at 20k feet with an object not even 2 miles away can estimate if an object looked to be the size of a hornet or a passenger plane lol.
I get being skeptical but if your career is flying and then be a flight instructor where u spent a few decades doing something im pretty sure u could make an educated guess or estimate of an object. Also everyone has diff depth perception and visual acuity.
Major Music so with your estimated 300 hrs of flight time, u can’t determine the size of an object at 20k feet with an object 1.5miles away?
If that’s the case, I wouldn’t believe anything u state or care about your opinion.
Doesn’t matter if I believe in god or if aliens r visiting earth, your skepticism and opinionated response trying to shut someone down, instantly shows to me that u r skeptical of anyone’s opinions that dont run parallel with your own beliefs.
But keep posting on TH-cam, sure all your qualifications on ufos, god, flight, electronics, elevation, distance, music and so on can really help society evolve.
People don't realize that the videos are low resolution because they are from 2004...
Also it’s copied and god know if the device isn’t even designed to look like a 4K tv in your living room is mostly data
Not just that. The Navy intentionally downgraded the video quality so as to not let the technical abilities of the equipment be known by the public.
Only 1 of 3 videos is from 2004, the other 2 are from 2014 & 2015. Also the navy did not downgrade the video quality lol
@@dagr7258 they 100 percent did every targeting pod video you saw on web is downgraded just like spy sattelites photos do you remember when donald trump shared a classified iranian launch site photo captured by us spy sattelite? that was downgraded too even president cant see a raw version of these things and you imagine they store raw version of these things on their servers?
The cube in a sphere object is just a placeholder object until the developers finish rendering the final model. We're still in alpha.
*beta
It is probably a radar reflector from a sub.
@@thunkjunk I'm aware of the general idea that in the past (1945), there used to be such radar reflectors. Is it being used today? Why would a US sub nearly crash a friendly F-18? Aren't you aware that militaries coordinate their assets to prevent such accidents?
@@simondan3828 Well then it very improbably an alien spaceship that didn't realize they were about to be hit by US jets.
@@thunkjunk Maybe. But a radar reflector from a US sub is unlikely. Maybe a radar reflector from a foreign sub?
David Fravor is a superb communicator. I know he's been doing that as a job for many years but I could listen to him all day. Incredible stuff.
Yep same here!
He was a Top Gun instructor, so yeah.... the ability to communicate for him was paramount.
@@MrJackal43 Yep, which is why I said 'doing that as a job'
Of course, he has tons of experience on screen. He's being interviewed a lot of times and participated in dozens of shows and he loves it. An unimportant man that saw a thing and came up with a fairy story for it and ever since he's telling that BS to every credulous person and sensationalist reporter he comes across. It's all about the show and getting media attention and he's delighted by it.
@@enio17 Really? He came off like that from the get go. So where did he learn these communication skills.
Before a sceptic releases a statement he should be a sceptic of his own work. Right? I mean by definition.
The scientific method should necessitate that their work be peer-reviewed
Yes. Or else he is a conspiracy theorist.
@@Lucalikesstuff Yep, and it would pass with flying colours. I would say the same should apply to conspiracy theorists and alike, but having conspiracy theorists reviewing conspiracy type material is a non-starter. Lol
@Zane Blaire Don’t take out your frustrations with life on others. It’s cowardly and small minded.
@Dirty Pixels "onlookers will say "Mick debunked that!" without analyzing it properly."
Ok, analyze it properly. Please debunk what Mick West has said.
I have to really question the intentions of a self proclaimed "Professional Debunker" like Mick West. Seriously, think about that for a minute. This essentially says, "Hey, I don't agree with this, and I've already made up my mind", which is a little problematic to me. Sure, he may bring up some possibilities on what this UAP could be with the hard quantitative data we have, and I appreciate and give him credit for that. But that is just ONE small piece of the big picture; We have multiple testimonies on this, not just Fravor, and other data that has not been released. I'm hoping that at one point, we get radar/sensor data so we can put this shit to rest. Until then, skeptics and non-skeptics alike can only speculate. If we ever get an answer on this, I hope that the side that gets proven wrong is able to accept the verdict.
He's a skeptic. His mind is most definitely not made up beforehand. He's simply working in probabilites. And if definitively proven wrong, he'd be the FIRST to acknowledge these are e.t., or whatever else a definitive answer would produce.
You also really have to question the intentions of ufo fanatics who want so badly for these things to be e.t. They are often extremely bias and not willing to admit possibility that these objects are mundane, non-extraordinary things. Skeptics, more often than not, are the ones that are truly open-minded. They're willing to admit the full range of possibility---weighted however, based on probability.
Here is a great explanation from Mick West for the object that was allegedly moving fast just over the water ("Go Fast" UFO). It was doing neither. It was probably a weather balloon. The navy even lists a balloon as a possibility in their report:
th-cam.com/video/PLyEO0jNt6M/w-d-xo.html
By no means does being a professional debunker automatically mean "my mind is made up already" - just as someone communicating about alien sightings professionally has not necessarily made up _their_ minds.
I would rather hear a more poignant criticism of West, than just "well he made up his mind and won't change it, just because he holds position X.
@@thesecretgrimoireofturiel6040 You want a "poignant" criticism of West? Like, you want the criticism to pull at your heartstrings? I sure hope you got pwned by autocorrect there, or aren't a native English speaker. You might want to look that word up and see if it's what you really mean. You're welcome.
Wow, what a laughably misguided comment...
Mick West who had a career in video games now is an expert in how the F-18 targeting system works knows more then Commander David Fravor who spent his entire career in the Navy and flying fighter jets.
“Had a career in video games” is obviously meant derisively but it’s actually a good indication of how smart he must be. He cofounder and was instrumental in programming games (eg Tony Hawk Pro Skater series) which is an incredibly versatile skill. He job was literally creating virtual worlds using complex math and programming the physics into that world from the bottom up. Not only that, but he was incredibly aware about perspectival mathematical modelling which focuses on how complex sets of interacting data are displayed on the monitor for the player. You have to be super aware of all sorts of cognitive and optical illusions (eg occlusion, completion, parallax, etc) to make the games appear realistic to the player. And on top of all that; the process of debugging requires an incredibly patient, analytic mind to look at line after line of complex code and logically determine exactly where the errors are causing “objects” in the virtual world to fail while interacting. It’s complex stuff
He’s also a pilot and has published in a high impact, peer reviewed science journal on atmospheric effect caused by airplanes.
Does all of that mean he’s an expect on f-18s? No. Nor does he claim to be. But let’s not pretend he’s just some idiot who obviously should be ignored. He’s providing a great perspective and hypothesis to the debate which anyone who claims to care about truth should respect. That is, as long as the person isn’t too mindlessly tribal and emotionally invested in a particular position.
@@Sampsonoff The problem is his explanations are viable only if major components of instrument data are ignored and pilot observation is written off as simply wrong. A hypothesis has to cover all observations. And no I don't think programming computer games and piloting a mud hopper gives West any more credibility in these examples than anyone else. The U.S. Military as well as the militaries of other countries have looked at the same data and conclude something weird is going on. I guess they're all just not as smart as ol' Mick West.
Don't focus on the person, but the arguments. Are you five years old?
J Nrbrg lol....your post nearly had some value...until you ended your valid point by then focusing on the people by alluding to them being childish....how ironic 😂😂...
It's actually kinda sad how little the career folks 'know' when technology is involved. I've seen experts with 20 years experience that remind me of how my parents learn to use their computer. They eventually get stuff done but they do 20 steps that make zero sense.
I get so pissed off when so called "Intelligent People" say that professional pilots are seeing optimal illusions instead of something that's real and unexplainable.
I get so pissed when people belive stupid shit and lies. This man is a liar.
I get so pissed when stupid people think this a a debunk of solid trigonometry that proves Fravor is lying. But hey, we all get pissed at something. Fravor is a liar and has been proven to be such.
That's perfectly logical 🙄
@@NDnf84 OH no, lets look at what you think is logical, these vids are perfect examples of unexplained situations even though they have been debunked for half a decade before you even knew they existed, by hundreds of scientists, mathematicians, GIMBL Experts, pilots and FX wizards. YOU are the logical one assuming "two pilots" (one who already brags he enjoyed faking UFO's his entire career as a pilot) that have shared stories they themselves contradict. Ya, you are the logical one...not those who took half a decade debunking these completely obvious videos. Good job. I pity your critical thinking skills.
@@jlvandat69 Your best experts? lol. Two guys who told conflicted stories on videos that have been completely debunked by dozes of pilots, mathematicians, GMBLEexperts and professional programmers? Yah...I see how easy it is for you to be fooled. Its very scary.
He basically maps out the scene like a sniper team does on recon missions.
on micks point that fravor miscalculated the distance, and fravor saying experience says no, i would argue that it is possible the fravor got it wrong because of two things, this thing does not move like anything he had seen before which could trick the eye, secondly, this thing could have light emitting over it in a certain way making it look like a different size because of its materials, propulsion etc..
Carl Sagan said extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Skeptics are necessary to hold us to that standard. But once convinced by the preponderance of evidence a skeptic will alter their opinion. Debunkers on the other hand are contrarians who dig their heels in harder as the pull of evidence gets stronger, even to the point of invoking the impossible to explain the improbable
Exactly lol its like debunkers want these things to not be real
@@jamaljewell425 What is real. Aliens 😂
True, there are some false "skeptics", as you say, "debunkers", out there who refuse to acknowledge when their hypothesis has been falsified itself. And I've seen some of that from the "skeptic" this pertains to, as in not acknowledging the redundancy of multiple systems and observers when he's trying to promote a hypothesis that the radar saw a glitch artifact of cirrus clouds.
True skeptics aknowledge when their hypothesis is falsified.
@@Paul_G73
There is no evidence that it is aliens but what is being described by experienced naval jet pilots is abnormal.
Great interview! I love to hear the commander's story!
17:00 they talk about almost hitting "one of those things". Honestly that needs to happen if this topic/investigation is ever going to move beyond grainy video and podcast material.
If you are to believe what has been claimed, not only have these things been hit but U.S. service members have died due to interaction with them, just never reported publicly.
Fravor doesn't answer the explanation for the gimbal rotation being caused by flare and the rotation of the lens. He doesn't answer the question, he just says "there were other objects".
What we really want to know is if the rotation seen was the object rotating or simply flare on the lens rotating.
Because the pilots that were actually there saw it rotating and said that it was rotating in the video.
@@roseg2239
No, the pilots didn't see it rotating. They saw the image in the Mutlti Function Display, generated by the ATFLIR Pod rotating. They didn't see the object itself rotating.
If you look at the gimble video the entire image jerks in synchrony with the rotation, clearly demonstrating it's the ATFLIR Pods de-rotation mechanism causing the heat glare alone to rotate.
As a retired pro photographer I have seen this effect many times.
@@martinw245 Well I don't know what you're looking for. The people who were there said it rotated, and you still don't believe them. You know better than them i guess.
@justaguy328
My friend. It's pretty much definitively being confirmed it didn't rotate... look at the cloud line, it jerks in synchrony with the rotation. When enlarged, features within the image do too. There's very little doubt that it was glare rotating with the ATFLIR pods de-rotation mechanism. As a former pro photographer, I've seen glare rotate this way before. You can demonstrate this with your own cell phone by making the lens greasy, pointing it at a bright light to introduce glare and then rotating your phone.
The weapons system operator or the pilot, one of them, in the aircraft, in the video was the only person there to say it was rotating. I don't think it would be a common phenomenon.
As for what the object was that was generating so much glare, we don't know.
Mick West looked at the information available on the pod and demonstrated this with a model. Check out his video.
Thanks Lex, Really enjoyed this clip. It’s a very exciting time. I hope we get to know what it was :)
I would love to see David Fravor rip Mick West apart in a face to face debate about these sightings.
It would go the other way.
@@davidlericain Sure it would bud!
West would never concede, no matter what explanation Fravor could provide the man would pull Olympic tier mental gymnastics out of his ass just to remain a skeptic. The guy has already responded to Fravor here and his points were laughable, he doesn't admit that his lack of experience with this equipment could lead to him misinterpreting even SOME data, he dismisses the point entirely and then continues to extrapolate data and claim things are wrong based on nothing but his opinion. Mick "I don't think that's how a GIMBL works so let me offer you my opinion on how I think it does" West.
Reading a couple patents doesn't make you an expert on this subject.
@@sane2826 If they don't believe the pilot maybe they should drag the guy who engineered that system. Maybe West might want to explain to him too how it is supposed to work.
@@davidlericain you fool ...Mick West's expertise was in video games ...
@@sane2826
Mick is a moron. He's a living example of the Kruger effect
We're reaching the point where the explanations being pushed by the debunkers are actually LESS plausible than simply concluding that it was a genuine UFO.
Still a vague classifying acronym
Nah.
@@isodoublet its facts
@@jamaljewell425 Nah.
"Someone fucked up once" vs "aliens with understanding of physics absolutely beyond our comprehension crossed light years of space to fly near a fighter jet and go away" which is more likely
@@isodoublet except u wasnt there jus like Mick west wasnt there so how can u tell a trained pilot wat he saw also not to mention there is no proof he lied about his encounter jus deal wit all of these ufo sightinins cant be explained easily
Why do I always feel like Lex is a character who is supposed to exist in Hollywood sci-fi movies but somehow managed to exist in real life??!
Really I thought that about you
It's the men in black suit.
The debunkers are trying too hard to the point their lack of research is obvious, it's just laziness
This dude David, sounds like a product rep for Raytheon.
@@mnemonix1315
Which one? Lmao
Dave the depot tech is worse.
What is lazyness? Believeing in the guy if 99% of what he says don't appear in the video?
@@fabiorodrigo3638 We have debunkers coming in who know nothing about the jets, cameras, tracking systems, sensors. It would help if technically they know something about these systems at all
@Alan d'Eon No not at all logical to assume, first of all these dubunkers were not there and are totally ignorant to the world this pilot works or worked in.. The pentagon is now officially saying what this F18 navy pilot has also said. You're assuming this Navy pilot is lying and none of this happened to him and the other pilots out there that day? Have you been following the news lately?
A friend of mine showed me that Mick west video and I was immediately like.... this dude is a British journalist... why would I believe him over fighter pilots with over 10 years of experience? And 4 of them at that? I'm supposed to believe that a journalist / TH-camr can interpret the instrumentation better than pilots and the military? Really if the military could debunk it by saying stuff like that they would have....
Not a journalist. A TH-camr.
hes a jumped up little know it all. I can't stand him
How about you believe what device data on that video says and simple math ? Both him and Thunderf00t, used ACTUAL DEVICE DATA from those videos prove that this pilot is full of himself, yet he didn't address a single evidence from either analysis, instead saying that he knows better. That's the problem with all UFO conspiracy theorists, you choose to believe charlatans over objective facts.
@@cordovalark5295 That statement is factually correct, pilots are NOT engineers, and don't know in-depth operations of sophisticated devices on the airplane. In fact only specialist engineers of each device type know that, just like to be a race car driver you don't need to know intricacies of car engine or battery. How so many people are unaware of this is indeed beyond me.
@@AG-ig8uf so what data from what video did he use to prove the pilot was full of himself? David fravor didn't even take any of that footage...not a single video was captured by him so comment makes no sense
How do you determine distance from a FLIR image that is overexposed with flair? Same goes for size?
Experience, your not listening numb nuts.
Great explanation on how these military pilots are trained to observe.
Military Pilots mistook an American UH60 Blackhawk for a Russian attack helicopter that is shaped differently from close range and shot it down.
His argument was he is an experienced pilot and he is sure of what he saw (argument from authority). He contradicted himself then by saying vision is not reliable as a pilot and you must rely on your instruments. Well we all can see the same thing as him in the blurry videos. Mick West actually analysed the videos and came up with far more likely explanations with actual evidence. Watch Mick West's videos to see for yourself.
because the instruments ground the pilot through the extra sensory input, almost keeping your eyes in check to better rationalise what the situation is..
How do you explain away 4 people in 2 planes are seeing the same thing..
@@MikeB-nn4nh , I understand being a skeptic, but one shouldn't only be a skeptic. Skepticism shouldn't be the driving force, but rather a caution sign.
@@JakusJacobsen Logic much? 1 or 2 exceptions prove the rule.
I suspect that academic based science may possibly get in the way of open-minded scientific investigation when it becomes a career choice. the bunkers should not be allowed to call themselves skeptics because they are not. They are simply naysayerswho take an oppositional position against anything that goes against the standard perception of consensual reality. Skepticism is a state of open-minded investigation that bases the investigation on not jumping to any conclusions in one direction or the other too quickly.
This shows that you have to be smart to be a US Navy Pilot.
I don't believe that was ever up for debate. Anyone thinking otherwise needs to execute themselves.
@@jaredbard1 that escalated quickly 🤨
@@jonnysith Indeed. People they let some wonky drunks or whatever on these machines that are not able to distinguish a bird from a spaceship? That's ridiculous.
@@jonnysith so glad people like you exist out there Mark. I know the wash out rate for air traffic was around 70 or so it not more when I went thru. The wash out rate for fighter pilots is similar to special forces in that 95% don't make it.
You don’t just have to be smart you have to be educated/degreed and have exceptional vision. If five of them all agree to what they saw then that is absolutely what they saw.
Fravor should write a book about his career in the Navy, no need to talk about the UFO, talking about being a Navy pilot through his training to training others would be a very interesting read.
What’s the big deal and surprise that we have visitors here, why all the doubt? The limitations in the speed of light and the impossibility of anyone ever coming here because of the huge distances in space. Still these objects seem to defy physics as we know it in just the right way for them to overcome these exact limitations, right angle turns, 600G forces, popping in and out of existence, instant acceleration, and mind blowing speeds, all of it just scream consistency with an Alcubierre drive. Can’t imagine an old lady from some remote countryside back in the days dreaming up a fantasy that is so consistent with an Alcubierre drive and how such a vehicle would uniquely behave. What more could you possibly need than this including radar and other tech and highly trained pilot witnesses seeing these objects on a daily basis. They’ve hacked it and are here, and no it’s not any other country that have had this tech and kept quiet for at least 80 years, didn’t use it in WWII to win when pilots saw Foo fighters, and not used it as the huge deterrent it is for political or power reasons which is completely inconsistent with human nature. Science is childish refusing to take this more seriously, and if they would ever release more detailed material that of course exists, 4K footage and high-res images and tech data, I’m sure scientists will fall over each other to claim they aways knew we’ve had visitors. Any political trick would have to go back many decades if not centuries across most countries in the world, without any clear political benefit to anyone, especially if you come out and say it’s not ours, and there are easier ways to get funding I’m sure if that’s claimed as a motivation.
I'm not reading this wall of non-sense. What I'll say is if the best evidence that can be presented is this debunkable snippets, then we do not have alien visitors. There are satellites with cameras pointed at the earth. There are smart phones in at least half of the world's hands.
@@CodenameNewby Are you sure we don’t have tons of satellite footage of UAP’s, and if we do, would you expect it to be released? I believe multiple radar signals of the same object and an array of our most sophisticated tech picking it up is more significant than satellite imagery, a satellite wouldn’t beat the gimbal in terms of data but would be yet another important view of the same event.
@@mismass7859 let's play Name the More Likely Scenario! Please select the most likely scenario from this list:
(A) 2 or more nations agree to keep Little Green Men a secret. This scenario requires the following actions to be consistently performed.
A1: Hide information from every person on the planet, including other nations.
A2: keep non-government astronomers and astrophysicists in the dark so that they don't snap a high resolution photograph that isn't a pixellated blob
A3: keep citizen scientists/enthusiasts in the dark so they don't snap a high resolution photograph....
A4: track and edit data from allllllll satellites pointing at the earth to keep a high resolution, non Pixellated blob image from ending up on Google Maps.
A5: Keep ALL of the individuals enforcing this data cleanse from releasing a high resolution non-pixellated blob image.
A6: the enforcing party must do this successfully 100% of the time (take a look at our success rate with keeping cocaine out of the country, or the success rate of prohibition) otherwise we might have a proper photo of a alien spaceship.
A7: Last point, can you offer a rough estimate of the number of people who would have to stay quiet? And can you explain what secrecy would achieve that makes it worth the insane amount of money, cash, that each country involved would have to pay?
(B) the Unidentified Flying Objects are a mix of light tricks, mechanical failure, and possibly a foreign terrestrial government's cool new spy drone, or any other reasonably likely hypothesis.
TL;DR
Calculate the statistical probability of no high resolution images being leaked. Compare that probability to winning the lottery. Then come back and post those numbers for all to see.
I want to hear the 2 observer positions they use the camera weapon systems and would have slightly different perspective
I've seen an "aerial phenomena" before while piloting a military aircraft. We thought it was 20-40 miles away...turns out it was nearly 300 miles away. Your eyes can play tricks on you when your brain has preconceived notions on distance or velocity. In this case, the object's velocity was much higher than intuition assumed which caused my brain to assume it was closer (and slower) than it was.
Did you have state of the art instruments to cross-reference against what you thought you were seeing, to deduce if what you were seeing was real or just in your head? In the case of Commander Fravor, he not only had that, but he had the supporting eye-witness observations of the other pilots along with their instruments. I think you see where I'm going with this.
But when that object goes down, then comes up besides you and across your bow?
That is multiple points of reference. And with instruments meant for redundancy cross referencing you, the other pilots, and the other instruments?
I'd have to see it personally to understand the dynamics. I don't personally believe that ET has visited so I'd be really curious to see it for myself. @@whatabouttheearth
@@oisiaa
There is no evidence that any of this has to do with ETs. That's the thing that people need to get out of their minds, that's what causes the stigma.
Howdy, guys. I am fascinated about the TIC-TAC and I'm a video-game guy from Atari long ago. I hope to continue following these stories and maybe our paths will intersect some day! :-)
Cmd. Fravor speaks the truth. Skeptics can eat it.
No, he’s full of shit. Clearly lying.
@@honeysucklecat Lying?
Prove he's lying.
@@honeysucklecat
When did you do the polygraph test?
You know the difference between faith and science? In faith you have a belief without proof - you choose to believe in something. Science can show a fact and don't matter if you believe it or not.
Cmd. Fravor talks a lot of things that the video DOESN'T show and you have to believe in faith that he is telling the truth.
Telling that he is speking the truth or not, is just conjecture.
If you wanna blindly believe the guy. Put your tinfoil hat and be happy. Just don't get offended if someone chooses to be skeptic.
@@fabiorodrigo3638Well said. Easily offended these believers.
David Fravor is telling the truth, when I was eight 1984, I saw what I could only describe as a long white, strip light, but rounded at both ends, I was on a playing field in Wythenshawe park, Greater Manchester, UK, When we ( about 5 kids ) saw it above a small tower block, we all ran underneath it pointing up & shouting “what is it” it then moved very slowly away from the building towards the centre of the field then stopped we all ran to follow underneath but before we could get to it it went up at an angle fast very very fast in the blink of an eye it was gone. It was only when I heard David Fravor’s account of what he saw that I realised that’s what we saw, the tic tac, bright white & rounded at both ends.
I believe your story more than I believe Fravor's.
@@jorisbonson386 What he saw is the same type or the same craft, I know he’s telling the truth because I’ve seen it, I do not believe at all it was made by or flown by humans, they could not withstand that speed, this thing made no sound at all yet manoeuvred in the air effortlessly. I wish I could see it again. I know this sounds strange but I did have another experience when I was in my 20’s at a time of extreme grieving, I was was on my hands & knees crying in my living room and when I lifted my head up so I was just on my knees facing the ceiling a very bright white light shone through my house into my chest & then I was above my house, I didn’t see any craft, I got a message from that experience that told me “forgive those who have hurt you in the past and all who will hurt you in the future“ I looked down at my home from above before I was back inside. I have no explanation for that at all. But that message is how I continue. I don’t know why I’ve told you that, I’ve only ever told about 5 people, but no its on here 🤷♀️ I felt it was important to share that.
@@thorncraft3235 that's a really nice story and I believe you 100% - my dad and his siblings had a similar experience when their father died and they were all sat around him in his living room in Loughborough. Bless you x (thanks for sharing btw)
17:26 - fyi; there are radar reflectors which are 'cubes within a clear sphere' ..just saying :)
imho - this was a test of 'counter counter measures'. An interesting twist, on modern warfare
Lex, spit it out
He asks the longest questions in the history of mankind
Have to listen on 2x speed to make it sound normal.
@@GsTreetsSTX Thanks for the Tip ⭐
@@GsTreetsSTX It's so frustrating to listen to this guy.
Great podcasts! Although I always want Lex to start every podcast with: "You've heard Turn The Beat Around by Vicki Sue Robinson, Heaven On The 7th Floor, Le Freak by Chic, Fly, Robin, Fly by the Silver Connection and now, number five..."
West didn't know about the radar data, and more to come.
Navy Pilots: top secret clearances, expert aircraft observers, psychologically tested, polygraph tested, background checked, highly intelligent, trained in the most sophisticated weapons systems and aircraft in the world. Experienced in flying, altitude, situational awareness, instrument flying.
West: went to college
savage!
You forgot he was a programmer on a skateboard video game!
I believe Fravor but your comment isn't a substantive rebuttal to his specific points.
@@jynx3383 ad hominem = savage
Why are they exposing themselves for us to see but not touch? So many intelligent things and they all operate in one fashion. Show us but don't meet us.
What if all this time, we had made a monumental leap in technology in 46 when the Nazi scientists came over, but hidden so much, so we can use it when all else fails in WW3, and the UFO belief would be used as the perfect cover to what we really have! BINGO! It just seems to me that fravor was a test on his reactions and his trainees, to how they respond to this secret magical technology that we have and had for many decades!
Super secret Government program. Even more secret advanced technology than even Lockheed skunk works create.
.Pacific ocean was churned up with the tic ta flying above the water,sounds like a submarine was submerging or coming up.
When a skeptic questions a person of experience and knowledge it’s like a child questioning an adult.
An X-ray to the lay person looks like white blurry shapes on a black background but to a doctor trained in how to interpret the information then it has entirely different meaning. Just because the lay person does not 100% understand an X-ray picture does not mean we should distrust the doctor.
When your in the air and you see one, you can't unsee that shit. Its freaky as hell. Commander Frevor could just retired quietly with out ever taking about these events.He took a big risk doing this.
Which is why I have great respect for the man. But to be honest, once his name was leaked, everyone was coming after him to get him for an interview.
Talking about what he saw:“I know what i saw Im trained at spotting objects in the sky. I been doing this for years”.
A few minutes later: “the sad part is your eyes believe what your eyes are seeing…if you only trusted your eyes you’d die every time trying to land on a boat”
Do you think he realized at any point that he contradicted himself.
People who constantly tout the credentials of experts as being infallible always seem to be the first to cast doubt on experts that they cannot legitimately counter
David Fravor is clearly mistaken if he thinks there are giant tic tacs flying around out there. Mick West's theory is credible.
Mick West analysis of the video used maths & science. Unfortunately seeing with your own eyes (wether you’re a veteran in the field or not) isn’t enough to accept as evidence. Has someone debunked Mick West’s video? If they have, does anyone have links? I’d just like to add that I WANT the video to be true but not beyond reason or evidence.
I was expecting Lex to go over the math that Mick is using to shows the FLIR videos object never changes speed but Fravor says it Flys off the screen. The go fast shows a object that is really going slow and at a higher altitude but Fravor says its going fast and its closer to sea level. The gimble video appears to just be a plane flying away and the rotation of the camera system makes it look like its rotating.
I share your thoughs. Also seems Fravor doesn't really debunk Mick's debunking. He started to tell stories from navy and got quite off-topic IMO
Also, there were more people seeing that, where are they now? Have they stand out and confirm this? Video is totally shit quality, totally unworthy any investigation. So many questions that even Lex avoid to ask, which is weird to me. The reality is that we live in XXI century and almost everyone has a HD quality camera in their pocket and yet no credible video of UFOs. I don't really believe this hype.
@@krazybubbler it really makes it tough because Fravor seems completely credible except for these ufo videos. Since no one that says these are advanced craft will show the data and math from the video I just cant fully trust their intentions until they face those tough questions.
krazybubbler that’s because the original video is of course still classified!
So they had to blur it to show it to the public.
But the DOD has crisp clear videos of these tictac and gimbal!
@@domestique3954 Why though? Are you sure? Any source for the blur/classified info? I don't understand why they decided to release small part, made it look like recorded on camera obscura and then let all this fuss happen. Doesn't make much sense to me, does it ?
I trust the pilots way more then a guy who makes a living as a "debunker"
Yeah. I trust a herion addict more than my parents
What's wrong with being a debunker? You debunk conspiracy theories with facts and logic, that's a valuable contribution. That's how you fight liars and/or dangerous lunatics, you debunk their claims with facts. And if you do this often enough, you'll be known as a debunker.
@@bruno3 The problem w/ West is that he seems to have a pre-conceived notion that a given claim is false (debunkable). I've seen other examples where he does mental gymnastics to 'debunk'. There's a line btw skepticism and just being outright unreasonable.
@@bruno3 Because he's ignoring data. It's not scientific. It's starting with "it's definitely fake" instead of looking at ALL the evidence and coming to a conclusion based on it.
@@bruno3 I don't think there's anything wrong with being a "debunker" but there comes a point that one just has to shut up and take the subject matter experts word for it.
OK.. Make this a friggin movie already!!
Is Mick West a highly trained fighter pilot for the U.S. military.Numerous pilots saw the same thing.I will side with commander Favor and his crew all day long.Thank you for coming forward .Commander.Mick West take a hike, professional debunker.
The more I get to know about Lex the more I respect the man.
now explain this exact things happening even 70 years ago ;)
Why would Fravor presume to know more about what he observed than Mick West, who wasn’t present?
I get why people will question things and try to debunk but Mick West give's explanations that are complete bullshit, like the bird theory.
Mick west will do some crazy mental gymnastics in order to do anything to disprove the ufo lol
@RexRocker1979 The bird theory is utter bs. Trying to say that object is a bird is so ridiculous that he has lost his credibility as far as im concerned but if you enjoy listening to his explanations thats cool.
@@joshlemke735 its sad fr cause alot of these debunkers really provin they self more laughable then the believers they mock
@Jack Johnson prove wat he encounter wasnt bein truthful also prove Mick West's theories are true
@Jack Johnson dude u really must not Kno how to read theories are essentially explanations good lord what ever weed u smoke put it down
Critical thinking should always outweigh our lust for novel or fantastic thoughts; however, that doesn’t mean always being skeptical for the sake of it is the only way to find “truth”.
The quest for knowledge should always be a balancing act of belief and skepticism ✌️
Michel Sakakini it depends on what kind of evidence you deem as credible evidence.
@@Michels1 you can justify the belief that something is possibly true. In a situation where you can't conclusively confirm or disprove an event, the most logical stance is actually to allow for multiple possibilities. Essentially a more defined way of saying "I don't know", but you could assign estimated probabilities based on weight of evidence.
Can you speak directly to Mick West? His explanation of the gimbal video with the rotating glare caused by the rotation of the gimbal lens is very compelling. On the go fast video the information provided by the HUD shows the object to be flying at 13,000 feet, that's factual information which no one ever seems to bring up to Commander Fravor
Great interview with great opposing views and responses.
I still want hard evidence, not sure I believe anything he says
And you don't have to.....You probably wear a face mask inside your own car..
@@headtrauma911 isn't it funny how all videos of these so called Aliens are so blurry, out of focus, without radar data, etc... So these Aliens are hovering in our atmosphere just playing around with us, for no apparent reason. Also strange how these objects supposedly move with G-forces that would destroy biological creatures, these Aliens should be squashed like a pancake when their crafts change course at 100 G-Force. The truth of the matter none of this makes sense, there are no Aliens, we are not interesting enough for them, they don't travel all that distance to hover in our atmosphere.
@@SzTz100 you really think government's gonna release the clear videos of ufos which have high tech?....they have clearer evidences , it just won't be publicized...... y'all really depend on higher authority to confirm everything for you...they don't have any interest in confirming anything.
I think tic tacs candy company made this UAV purely for free advertising
The Pentagon themselves acknowledged the videos to be authentic in an official press release. Tictac didn't need to make a UAV, they just needed the tic-tac moniker to stick
Tic-tac-tical warfare
He was a fighter pilot. His vision and depth perception being as close to perfect as humanly possible are prerequisite to the job. So if he says 40 feet, the thing was 40 feet, period. Nobody other than maybe another fighter pilot has a leg to stand on towards questioning his visual observations in the air.
It doesn't matter how good his vision is because it's mathematically impossible to determine the size of a distant object unless you already know the distance, or vice versa. All Fravor saw is its angular size, which is size/distance. Could it be half the size, half as far? You bet. Could he tell? Nope, with perfect vision and a computer he couldn't do it.
@@isodoublet but there is a point of reference, he knows his altitude. From there he can estimate the objects altitude above water as well as estimate the objects size.
@@isodoublet he knows the position of his plane based on his instruments he knows the position of the object based on his experience and instruments , they give him a point of reference
@@gregcadman6102 Experience doesn't tell him the position of an object of unknown size. If it was an actual Hornet he could tell. Since it's something unknown, he cannot. All he can tell is how big it appears to him. He can't tell whether it's half as big as a hornet half as far away, for instance.
@@isodoublet lets see how much experience have you got in said planes and knowing where things are from a combination of your instruments and your visual understanding of your location? I love that armchair experts think they have valid arguments when they jump through hoops to explain away experienced witnesses.
I think with no doubt, that universe has potential for some ridiculously advanced propulsion system, ftl, anti-grav, you name it. We are just not there yet.
There's more than you're aware of that is around right now
CMDR. Fravor, There is a house for sale in my neighborhood, I’ll supply beer for stories, is it a deal?
It was a shipping container
Is not any craft, bag or balloon a shipping container?
2/2 - off between Texas and the Mexico border.”
Colonel Robert Willingham, USAF from an affidavit in the 1970’s when discussing a sighting of a UFO whilst he was navigating an F94 jet on September 6th 1950.
“A saucer flew right over (us), put down three landing gears, and landed out on the dry lakebed. (The cameramen) went out there with their cameras toward the UFO…. I had chance to hold (the film) up to the window. Good close-up shots. There was no doubt in my mind that it was made someplace other than on this earth.”
Colonel Gordon Cooper, Mercury and Gemini Astronaut describing an incident he witnessed during the 1960’s during a videotaped interview for the Disclosure
Program.
“The UFO was bouncing around the 747. (It) was a huge ball with lights
running around it… Well, I’ve been involved in a lot of cover-ups with the FAA. When we gave the presentation to the Reagan staff, they had all those people swear that this never happened. But they never had me swear it never happened. I can tell you what I’ve seen with my own eyes. I’ve got a videotape. I’ve got the voice tape. I’ve got the reports that were filed that will confirm what I’ve been telling you.”
John Callaghan, FAA Chief of Accidents and Investigations during a videotaped interview for the Disclosure program.
“I have frequently been asked why a person of my background-a former Chief of the Defence Staff, a former Chairman of the NATO Military Committee-why I think there is a cover-up (of) the facts about UFOs. I believe governments fear that if they did disclose those facts, people would panic. I don’t believe that at all. There is a serious possibility that we are being visited by people from outer space. It behoves us to find out who they are, where they come from, and what they want.”
Admiral Lord Hill-Norton, British Royal Navy, former Chief of Defence during a videotaped interview for the Disclosure program.
The security guard called and said, “Sir, there’s a glowing red object
hovering right outside the front gate. I’ve got all the men out here with
their weapons drawn.” We lost between 16-18 ICBMs (nuclear tipped Inter Continental Ballistic Missiles) at the same time UFOs were in the area… (A high ranking Air Force officer) said, “Stop the investigation; do no more on this and do not write a final report. I heard that many of the guards that reported the incident were sent off to Vietnam.”
Captain Robert Salas, USAF, during a videotaped interview for the Disclosure program.
“It was the darndest thing I’ve ever seen. It was big, it was very bright, it changed colours, and it was about the size of the moon. We watched it for ten minutes, but none of us could figure out what it was. One thing’s for sure: I’ll never make fun of people who say they’ve seen unidentified flying objects in the sky.”
Former President of the United States, Jimmy Carter following his sighting along with many others of a UFO at Leary, Georgia in October 1969.
“The phenomenon of UFOs is real. I know that there are scientific organisations which study the problem.”
Former Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev on 26th April 1990.
“This is the first sighting in Zimbabwe where airborne pilots have tried to intercept a UFO. As far as my Air Staff is concerned, we believe implicitly that the unexplained UFOs are from civilizations beyond our planet.”
Air Commodore David Thorne, Director of General Operations for the Zimbabwe Air Force in 1985.
“The Air Force has arrived at the conclusion that a certain number of anomalous phenomena has been produced in Belgian airspace. The numerous testimonies of ground observations….reinforced by the reports of the night March 30-31 (1990) have led us to face the hypothesis that a certain number of unauthorised aerial activities have taken place.
The day will undoubtedly come when the phenomenon will be observed with the technological means of detection and collection that won’t leave a single doubt about its origin. This should lift a part of the veil that has covered the mystery for a long time; a mystery that continues to be present. But it exists, it is real, and that in itself is an important conclusion.”
Colonel Wilfred De Brouwer, Chief of Operations for the Belgian Air Force in 1990 following a spate of sightings over the country witnessed by hundreds of people. Many of the sightings were confirmed on radar.
“It is impossible for any man-made machine to make a sudden appearance in front of a jumbo jet that is flying 910 kilometers per hour and to remain in steady formation paralleling our aircraft. … Honestly, we were simply breathtaken.”
Kenju Terauchi Japan Airlines pilot in 1986.
Before we could do anymore, the army, after conferring with (US) officials, ordered the investigation stopped.”
Dr Paul Santorini regarding UFOs seen over Greece in 1946.
“Maximum security exists concerning the subject of UFOs.”
CIA Director, Allen Dulles, 1955.
“I have discussed this matter with the effected agencies of the government, and they are of the opinion that is it not wise to publicize this matter at this time.”
Senator Richard Russell, head of the Armed Services Committee, following his sighting of a UFO during an official trip to the Soviet Union in 1955.
“Reliable reports indicate there are objects coming into our atmosphere at very high speeds and controlled by thinking intelligences.”
Navy Admiral Delmar Fahrney in a public statement during 1957.
“Congressional investigations…are still being held on the problem of unidentified flying objects and the problem is one in which there is quite a bit of interest… Since most of the material presented to the committee is classified, the hearings are never printed.”
Congressman William H Ayres 1958.”
Given that this subject is a true to life observed event and isn’t really a scientific occurrence as the phenomena cannot be observed under a controlled setting, it makes you wonder why these testimonial disclosures have been ignored for so long with the broad brush assumption that everyone of these people are lying, crazy or making up false tales.
2004 Mexican gun camera footage of 12 ufos observed by several jet fighters
In 1970 The Colorado Airforce Acadamy included in a training book for pilots a chapter 33 about space science and UFOs, where it concluded that Earth could have been visited by alien controlled space crafts during the last 50.000 years! It also questioned the notion that our physics are correct and complete - especially E=mc2, since at that time 50.000 reliable UFO observations defied our physics..
Why cant these dense ass skeptics see that lol
And on that Captain Robert Salas case there are people who say what the security saw was Venus, I was Marine Corps Security Forces and I can't express how much it pisses me off for random people to think that professional special asset military security would confuse a craft of any type with Venus. We watch the sky for hours on end, day after day, night after night, we know what the stars and planets look like. It's fucking insulting.
Might be a quite stupid question since I’m not an engineer/chemist/physicist: is there anything thinkable like cold combustion at around 270-290 K that can be used for propulsion? If the reply would be „yes“ it could explain the lack of heat signature
Although I guess it would not explain high velocities below water and what sounds like crazy rates of acceleration in some reports
The kitch items in combination with the red Bull light are ruining my day
I LOVE THIS PODCAST!!!!!!
But he didn’t debunk anything ? Fravor is a load of bullshit or just cant explain the real facts
Yep right.... Joe rogan is a great guy
Arsenal!!!
It's fun awesome
Try watching the debunking
th-cam.com/video/Le7Fqbsrrm8/w-d-xo.html
Being a sceptic is only good up to a certain point, but in this case it really sounds like Mick West does not WANT to believe in it, so it's a personal existential perspective, not something that is based on logic. The fact is that this guy is a fighter pilot, and the amount of mental and physical training they go through is insane. It's not a guy who lives in a trailer and says an UFO landed in his backyard.
Mick West can never believe in it because it ends his entire career. So there is a real conflict of interest.
Fair point
@@fupopanda My career was as a Video Game Programmer, which ended when I retired (after Tony Hawk). UFO's are just a small part of my debunking hobby now (I don't even discuss them in my book, Escaping The Rabbit Hole). I'd happily accept any evidence of unusual craft.
@@MickWest Appreciate you taking the trouble to come here and clarify directly, I think a lot of guys would not have the courage to do that, at the very least without getting shouty and/or abusive. I think we can have big disagreements, but having the strength and character to remain civil in the face of them is impressive. It helps everyone, and moves the debate forward far more effectively than a slanging match. I don't see it a lot on the internet these days, sadly. Would like to see you go on Lex's podcast and give a full up rebuttal.
@@godspeed133 I'd be happy to.
When is the Mick West interview?
This video was of great value and with the info we got today It gets even better, aging like good wine.
Skeptics also claim that the reason why the UFO in the gimbal video rotated was because the camera rotated.
If so, then why didn't the horizon rotate with it? Why just the UFO?
See how ridiculous their arguments are?
It's an artefact of the compensation of the rotation of the camera lens. Not just the whole camera turning. Well... the whole camera turns, but the software compensates so you see a non-rotating image. What you'd be left with is a rotating lens glare, while the whole image remains stable. It's a feature of the camera system!
That's the argument, and it's a known artefact that would occur in similar situations. So it's worth considering.
@@Michael-kp4bd lol clearly you don't know much about F18 sensors. No, they don't rotate the image. The vehicle was rotating and Mick simply can't accept it.
@@smithnwesson990 ?? I'm describing how the camera works. You can even see the digital overlaid markers rotate concurrently. That's an artifact. Don't die on this hill, there's so much more interesting evidence then to make shit up and pretend the camera lens glare wouldn't rotate EXACTLY like how we see in the video.
Multiple ppl saw this, and these objects appeared on their radar, and made insane maneuvers. The video is just kinda not helpful. You lose rational believers in this stuff when you tell them to simply pretend the lens glare is real object rotation.
@@Michael-kp4bd Dumb fuck, explains why they literally said in the video it was rotating LOL
@@thvx1566 that doesnt "explain" anything. It's additional evidence. But also... they guy is looking thru at the view of his sensors is he not? So he sees the same artifact we do.
... try thinking for a second.
I'm not denying this thing was there or rotating, but the video is not showing much at all, and the audio could easily be the operator thinking it's rotating when it's not. Cuz of the same fuckin thing.
Mick West lol, sounds like a fool after hearing the real explanation.
Where are the red triangles that you see on the video icon picture ?
One question: Why is the military the only ones seeing these objects.
Do you think the government would/wouldn’t lie to you. My question is, what is there motivation?
Thats a false statement. People all over the world have been reporting this stuff for decades.
This reminds me of an experience a long time ago back home in the Philippines. I was about to joke about an object, what I thought to be a star, in the night sky of being a UFO. Then my wife and I suddenly saw it move the way David described. I almost forgot about it until this video.
Yep got something very similiar. Couldnt sleep and was watching out the window late at night. Saw what I firdt believed to be a star. Wondering why I haven't seen this star before at that location. After minutes of trying to comprehend that Yellow dot made rapid, quick changing movements. Standing still at one moment, next moment it was moving a different direction. The movement, acceleration was smooth but rapid. Thought to myself it had to be my mind doing weird stuff to me. Next night is hasnt been there. And it wasnt a light from a club of something. We had no clouds present on that day
@@fabianbuserell8609 I saw something almost identical to what you saw, but back in the mid-1960s when I had the eagle eyes of a teenager. We didn't have many satellites in orbit back in those days. The "star" I saw moved and then stopped on a dime several times before it slowly faded away.
Mick West said that the tic tac could be a balloon with a candle on top of it 😂😂😂😂
Ikr? Ridiculous. 😂
So glad we got to know David.
I absolutely love your in depth podcast. You are also a skilled guitar player I see... I sliced my hand and cut not only the flexor tendon but my extender tendon as well..in my fret hand pinky. I played guitar for 30 years before it happened and I still am a but depressed about it (12 years ago the accident happened at a print shop) anyway.. there are a couple of songs that randy rhoads played on the "blizzard of ozz" album (of ozzy osbourne and randy rhoads) that I think you would like and find the style rhoads uses to be scientifically intriguing, as he uses a lot of theory and formula built into his music and solos. The songs are very fun to play and really gives one an appreciation of how rhoads expressed himself musically. "Goodbye to romance" is a wonderful little song with an moderately difficult solo near the beginning that I am sure you could hit, and well, its just a lot of fun play anywayi... revelation mother earth is a bit more complicated but Lex, I sure would love to see you play some rhoads. also, the first classical complete song I learned was "dee" by randy rhoads. that is also another very beautiful piece that he wrote for his mother. If you would like I can scan the tab and send it to you, it would be no trouble and an honor to help.. warm regards to you nd yours! - jerry
Many great guitarists don’t use the pinky and Django Rheinhart ,one of the greatest only had two fingers so I hope you’re still playing. Unless I misunderstood how bad your injury is.
@@ledaswan5990 I still play a little if anything just to hit some scales and to fun around. Although its nowhere near the depth and articulation I had before my accident and subsequent therapy sessions.
I'll take.the word and memory of a professional observer with years of experience over anyone trying to discount his reported encounter because he personally doubts the reality of a given situation.
except that's not the case. Mick doesn't doubt the reality of a given situation. Skeptics work in probabilities. It's much more probable that there's a rational explanation. He's also not trying to discount the encounter. Fravor saw something that he thought was out of the ordinary, however eyewitness accounts are never held in high esteem in the scientific and skeptic community. For good reason--just because he's a 'professional observer' doesn't mean he's immune to human bias and fallibility. It's an appeal to authority, once again
Not only that, but he's a person trusted to fly a machine worth tens of millions of dollars
@@extratroppo437 except to refute claims that fravor made by offering such simplistic probabilities like a goose or a bird or a plane is somewhat laughable to the point it can only point to sheer incompetence by these military professionals and their equipment. It's not an appeal to authority to suggest an expert is probably right when the contrary evidence not only makes them look stupid but incompetent. Its like you think they wouldn't also have considered those things? You're right eyewitness accounts should always be met with skepticism but whether it's hundreds of documented military eyewitness testimonies going back decades or civilian encounters like the famous account of all the Zimbabwe school children in 1994, sometimes clearly more than balloons, camera lense filters, birds or planes has clearly been occurring.
@@fukitall80 Right?
Balloons move with the wind. The surface of the water shows the wind is pushing the opposite direction ,to its path.
[A thermal image of a balloon in sunlight will show it is warmer on top (sunny side) and cooler on the bottom.]
The goose thing was my favorite ,bit.
They cross my area twice a year. On my {LOW end} thermal...you can tell it's a goose.
You can do so from quite a good distance.
The idea that a 50 million dollar piece of equipment ,wouldn't, outperform my stuff is laughable.
A professional observer of intergalactic space planes?
So the Phoenix lights are Flares? LOL! Ok, I guess those flares can just hang up there a very long time SMH!
Lol, flares that traveled dozens of miles in a perfect V formation, all while remaining at the same height. They should have said that they attached high strength beacons to geese to study their nighttime flying habits, that would honestly be more believable.
@@spracketskoochYeah, they think we are totally stupid! lol!
Anyone who's been in the military knows flairs fall, fairly rapidly too.
Question; WHY would they send him to invastigate, but without Camera's? Wouldnt they want to see what the "first responder" is gonna find? It doesnt make sense that the footage is from the second flight?
Vectored Aircraft already in flight without camera pods, perhaps?
They were in the middle of a training mission when they told them to go check the object out. They didn't have camera equipment on because they did not need to.
Like Jack Nicholson said, "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!" Many people can't handle it. Whatever the reason. It's real. Which means THEY'RE real. They always have been. And, life goes on.
Witness testimony is huge. He isn’t the first fighter pilot UFO witness but he might be the most credible. I only question the motive of DoD & the former Navy personnel talking about this & releasing video. If it doesn’t end with humanity meeting ET it is pointless.
Eye witness testimony in a criminal court is known to be extremely unreliable.
I think it was a political ploy to get funding for the Space force.
What are the DoD's motives of the story entitled: "Pentagon Has ‘Off-World Vehicles Not Made on This Earth.'" Google it. It's a Popular Mechanics article. I had to learn about it from Rogan.
@@ForOrAgainstUs good question, has there been any following articles since that one?
@ yeah, I don't mean it's fake lol. I think the reason for releasing the tapes was to start the dissemination of information and to get some public backing for the need of a space force.
Debunkers that debunk professionally have a financial incentive to find mundane explanations for things no matter what.
I think you have got it wrong.
I think a lot of people who debunk in their spare time, like Mick West, simply post their thoughts and hypothesis to the cases they have thoroughly investigated. There is a lot of UFO claims and phenomena cases that he does not and has never talked about.
I have seen a lot of his videos. Even if you imagine that there is a financial incentive, that has nothing to do with the points raised.
Take the Gimbal, for example. The type of Gimbal Fravor is talking about in this clip is incompatible with the manufacturer details on the Gimbal used on this aircraft. The Gimbal it does use, does in fact have to rotate at the degrees recorded to keep track. This is consistent with the rotating seen in the footage. This is not to conclude the matter. But raises a point and that’s valid regardless of intent.
@@Black-Circle Well, Mick has done many investigative videos demonstrating the evidence. So it is rather compelling. At least with all the footage that came out. Leaving us with simply Fravors claims.
@@Black-Circle No. Mick is not saying that what happened that day definitely happened exactly as the government report suggested. He is saying that via many models to replicate the disaster, understanding the evidence in line with the structure of the buildings, the flights, etc, none of the conspiracy theorists hypothesis stand up. And the evidence better fits the general narrative.
Again, he does not simply claim these things, he shows you, in many many videos demonstrating as much.
@@Black-Circle All debunked.
Mick West actually has done great demonstrations to show how the floors expanded due to the fires expanding the structural frame of the building. The exterior columns expanded away from the floors due to the heat of the fires and the floors collapse straight down onto one another. With increasing weight it all falls down.
I am sure you have heard some information to give you the impression that there was “No planes” can you send me a link or tell me where I can find out that information?
Because we actually do have dozens and dozens of video footage showing the planes hit the building. We have the flight radar data of the planes. We have the passengers of the planes accounted for in the crash. We have eye witness testimony from thousands all sharing the same experiences. Etc.
so if there were no planes, can you please show me how you know this? 😊
@@Black-Circle I will certainly go and check them out. But sorry, the plane visibly enters the building, explodes and you see debris coming out of all sides. You can watch it happen on so many live broadcasts.
Basically the encounter could be equated to Car vs Bicycle, where the TicTac Vehicle is the Car in this case.
14:13 Can someone clarify because Mick and Fravor seem to talk past each other
Mick only debunks that rotation in video is due to Flir gimbal (which would seem logical to me)
Favor says that object was detected by AESA radars
Note how one is talking about Flir and the other about radars. Both arguments can be correct and don't contradict each other. So, put together, there was an object tracked that didn't actually rotate
Am I missing something?
Why has Lex got a hedge hog sat next to him? I love this dude 😂
Maybe it was a gift from someone Important to him. Like a guest. His mother or whatever. Maybe it’s even just his favorite animal
@@jonathanekat3852 The plot thickens
He is hunting Dinsdale
We aren’t mentally mature enough to comprehend these propulsion systems yet! In my opinion we have to lose our war mongering nature before we are allowed to gain this knowledge.
Jam tarts is living in a video game
Can you imagine us giving AK47 and nukes to cave man? Or to the navigators/explorers during the conquering of the americas and Africa (to slaughter and exploitation)? I am sure that at their time captains thought they were advanced enough to handle it. And that they saw craft over the skies and under the water. It will take our population to less than 1 billion people, without emotions over logic, without discrimination, without fear before we become accepted outside earth (peharps inside it?).
New to the channel. I like this.
In the Gimbal video: You can see magnetic field lines rolling around the object.
It looks like a picture of the sun in an eclipse.
Its not that.. Its something that type of camera gives out to objects on screen
@@gusc6785 I can assure you that this is ,not, an effect of the camera. If you have seen footage of a (or have been witness to) a total solar eclipse those are the same sort of field lines observed around the edge of the solar face.
I use thermal ,allot.*
The craft in question is generating a positive gravitational force. This is capable of bending light.
* I live in the woods. Night vision is great but has limits. For example: A creature rustling a bush is hard to identify unless light penetrates the around the leaves and is reflected back.
With thermal; gaps in the leaves allow heat to be visible.
When there is a bump in the night and you need to know whether it is an Opossum or an Operson rustling the bush...you want that ability.
@@gusc6785 Google this patent number: US10144532B2
I've heard the cube in a sphere debunked as those radar reflectors in helium balloons. But helium balloons don't usually sit still in wind, nor move rapidly against the wind without gaining or losing altitude. Where can I buy one of these awesome balloons?
So by all the clues he gave I’m assuming the “Tom” he was referring to was Tom Cruise. Right??
Correct
Yes
Mick West goes to a hospital to treat a wound...
Mick: I have this wound and it wouldn’t clot and I have the blood oozing out like for several hours since the injury happened.
Nurse: Blood? What are you talking about... you’ve get some tomato sauce on you.. you’re fine.
Mick (to himself): Was that a uno reverse card?
How does this guy explain the trig 101 math used from data in the video itself to show that the 'go fast' video object is moving at wind speed?
Watch his video
It's not like these pilots ever shot up friendlies because they were mistaken in what they saw.
I want to see Lex smoke pot. How slow would he speak?
It already takes him like 5 minutes of talking to communicate a simple thought.. Can't even imagine how long it would take if he was high..
@@kyjo72682 watch Lex talk to Sam Harris, best to put it on 2x speed
I believe those sightings are very real navy pilots are very well trained they know the difference between a balloon and a space craft and the government makes those pilots look stupid they know what they seen and need to be treated with respect.
I've seen one of those things over Catalina Island in Southern California in 2002 2 years before the video was recorded.
The pilot to this day says if it was American technology it would be almost impossible to keep it under wraps for 20 years with the technology and leaks that happen in the government all the time.
This crfts fly exactly like a fly in the middle of your living room on a sunny day. They can also teleport and move it such fast speeds you can't even see at move and then it stops on a dime and goes the other direction. 😲
@@johnnaile307 must of been a bird. lol 😂 I believe you and this pilot, I’ve seen a few craft very similar and I described the way they can move and fly is like a little fish swinging in a pond just peacefully swirling around or a fly bouncing around in the light, very erratic but then take off and are gone in a 10th of a second and I’ve seen them fly in amazing coordination in a group and then they’ll start bouncing around then bam their gone. It is insane and I can’t see a human being able to pilot one of these things or just surviving the ride.
@@nicholaswiseguy2906 yeah if there was anybody inside there would have been a broken heap of a person. People talk about anti gravity that can push in the opposite direction of the g force making the g force undetectable.
@@johnnaile307 yeah I’ve researched into some of that and it does make sense and would be the only way a physical being could survive a ride in one of those things which just makes all of this way more crazier.
@@nicholaswiseguy2906 yeah and how did they come up with that theory if all of this is fake? They have been here forever, they most likely live in the ocean and underground.
There is a Russian report of a submarine coming into contact with a uso traveling about the same speed underwater as we saw in the sky.
And then another report of some Russian diver coming into contact with 9 ft tall beings in grey suits and domes over their heads.
I'm on the side of the top gun pilot that was actually there. Over his wingman's radio communication we can hear him say he's seeing a fleet of uap going 130 knots against the wind. Have Mick explain how the uap was waiting for them at the rendezvous point.
Mick is just a no man.
Mick is a bird.
"Go fast and the gimble video shot by the same person", that should tell you everything you need to know!