Spifire: "Through years of rigorous testing including feedback from the esteemed Reynolds we have created a urethane formula that reads 93 on the A scale meter but rides like a 99a wheel in use." And I'm a Spitfire guy.
I’m old and have been loving the dragons, but they are bouncy. I tried the dual duros and hated them, I was thinking about trying the Spite Fires, but I guess the X97s will be my next set of wheels.
the Dragon's were also too bouncy for me. X97's feel softer than to me than the soft sliders, but don't feel bouncy and slide the same. and The X97's are about $7 cheaper which is a plus!
Great review! I completely agree with you. Was skating the X99s V5 and have 2 sessions on the spit 93a classics. Feel identical to me. I did not like the x97s. They stuck too often. I do enjoy the smoother ride of both the x99 and spit 93a compared to regular 99 formulas. Glad there are so many choices now. Keep up the great videos!!
I just got the soft sliders 2 days ago, they feel really good 2nd day of skating them today. I slide really long on ledges, I notice whenever i am doing noseslides or tailslides i need to wax them ledges on the side and on top of the ledge which is a bit annoying but tolerable especially coming from a 99a spitfire classic wheel. The speed is fucking incredible and smooth on them though it feels like i don't have to push for shit to approach a ledge which is amazing. After doing tons of research and watching a bunch of comparison videos of bones vs spitfires it looks like i am only sticking with the soft sliders and i definitely want to try out the bones x99's. Does the X99 slide better for noseslides or tailslides compare to soft sliders? or are they the same?
This video format was the coolest... loved the side by side... you have great consistency... my local shop should be getting them in this week im jumping on the wagon bro
actually i have 2 setups going right now with dragons and spitfire 97a, so i might have to swap both out for sliders & bones so i can see which of those 2 i like. wheel madness is like the last bit of madness i haven't sorted out. i dunno, i may actually prefer the 97a classics over the dragons despite not being as comfy, but that also might just be because i'm a bit burnt out on dragons after riding them for a few sets in a row. it would be nice if i had strong feelings for either the sliders or x97 after trying them out to help me make a decision what wheels to ride for good.
The wheel madness can be a tough one. I've settled on the x97's, but that doesn't mean I won't try other wheels. It's fun messing around with this stuff
i live in downtown toronto and im riding the spitfire 80hd chargers, the ground is pretty rough so i need something kinda soft. Problem is when I go to do tricks the pop or scoop feels a bit off, i kind of have to pop my treflips you know? I have a completely different set up just to go to the park with and do tricks though. Would you recommend switching out the softer wheels for these in a gritty city like toronto or do i just stick to my 2 different setups do you think? It's kinda annoying cause I can't bs 180 revert cleanly or do bs 180's with a nice revert at the end with the 80s, but i can ollie up curbs and ride on the streets so it gets the job done - i'd like to do tricks though
I would definitely recommend the nano cubics from powell Peralta in 93a. They have the dragon formular and they are perfect for rough grounds as they are soft but they slide so freaking good. It's really the perfect combination! And I haven't had any problems at the skatepark as some people say. It's worth it!
@@stickersteve007 that makes sense. Thanks for this review, I haven't tried the soft sliders but got the impression that they might be more X formula than dragon.
I got myself some Dragons (53mm V6 shape) about a week before Spitfire first announced their Soft Sliders so I was a little regretful at first but I've ridden them for a couple of weeks now and I'm honestly loving them. Your recent reviews have really reassured me that I made the right choice because I was looking for a softer more forgiving wheel option that is also versatile on different surfaces 🙏
yes! sticking with the X-Formula's, I used to be Spitfire all the way but they have become way too expensive and I like the X-Formula's (both X97 and X99)
I just got the soft sliders 2 days ago, they feel really good 2nd day of skating them today. I slide really long on ledges, I notice whenever i am doing noseslides or tailslides i need to wax them ledges on the side and on top of the ledge which is a bit annoying but tolerable especially coming from a 99a spitfire classic wheel. The speed is fucking incredible and smooth on them though it feels like i don't have to push for shit to approach a ledge which is amazing. After doing tons of research and watching a bunch of comparison videos of bones vs spitfires it looks like i am only sticking with the soft sliders and i definitely want to try out the bones x99's.
Hey man, good review. I have the x97s and dragons and I noticed they slow down on pinched tricks on metal coping. Could you do a side by side comparison of crooks on metal with the same speed?
My understanding is spitfire wanted a hybrid wheel that preformed and sounded as similarly to a normal street wheel while reducing some impact and vibration. That being said spitfires hardness scale is definitely a marketing thing. For example the 99du are definitely harder than 99 and the 97du feel more like a 99 from every other brand.
@@stickersteve007 spitfire has been top of the game for a while now. Got a bit of competition now bones is back in the competition. I’m not skating spitfire for the time being, they’re way to expensive now and I’m a fanboy
I've found that spitfire F4s can feel different with colors vs natural. I found that the colored 99as feel slightly harder than the naturals, but the colored 97as feel a LOT softer than the naturals. I got a set of 60mm (which is huge for me) 97as in red and at first I thought it was the size but they're definitely softer. I talked to someone who had the same wheels and he was like "oh yeah, these definitely do not feel like 97s"
in this particular parking lot i would say the Soft Sliders would feel faster
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I have skated spitfire wheels for like over 8 years and I think that after all the wheels I have tried other than spitfire and including spitfires I think the nano cubic dragon wheels that are 97a are the best all round skate wheel that I’ve ever skated. They are great at the park, in the streets, at DIY spots and they slide good and ride soft on rough ground. Just my opinion lol! Nice vid to bro👍
yup because they claim 93s, but they don't feel that way at all. and all the people making video's about these wheels just assume that they have to be 93's
I wouldn't waste your time then. Unless you get em for cheap or free. Soft sliders are good, but it's nothing different from what's already been out. And definitely not a 93a
Hmmm yeah they definitely aren't 93a, but when I tried my friend's side by side with my dragons, they felt pretty comparable...? Maybe like 95a. I do have some v6 x97's, so maybe I'm gonna put those one and see how they compare... I do remember though, when I had f4 tablet 99a, I was shocked how hard they felt. I loved how they slid, but it's not sustainable for my old bones to be taking the landings from them.
I love the x97’s everywhere. It’s the perfect all terrain wheel… but I really miss sliding around on smooth concrete which is damn near impossible on smooth skatepark concrete with the x97’s I’m looking forward to trying the 93a’s next month. But if the 93’s didn’t exist, it would be 97’s all day long.
Something I noticed when these first came out was all the TH-cam guys that got these for free were calling them the 93a’s not soft slider. Soft sliders is an awful name but makes me think spitfire might not be totally genuine with the hardness of these. Felt like they were told to call the that and nobody mentions how hard they are. Kinda lame.
I agree. It's misleading in my opinion, and everyone just went along with it and compared em to dragon wheels. Maybe they were sent a script with the wheels lol
you could get a durometer gauge if you were curious, they aren't especially expensive. hardness isn't the only factor in how a wheel performs, but a gauge would tell you if you are getting what was advertised
@@stickersteve007 i get that. i would say my x97s feel softer than my '80s oj 97s, could just be due to age idk. maybe i'll get a gauge, i'm curious and i think it would make for a good video
@@diplenski Sorry in advance to geek out. A durometer gauge will only measure indentation hardness but there's also rebound hardness which is a set of test conditions. I heard that it was the rebound formulation that George Powell really focused his R&D on with the Dragons/ X Formula because a faster rebound is typically associated with harder material/ slower rebound with softer material (fast rebound = faster rolling speed). With some engineering wizardry, GP managed to develop a soft durometer / high rebound formula. I might be completely wrong here but this could be why the Spitfires and Dragons feel so different. All I can say is that my 93a Dragons are way faster than my previous regular 99a wheels which blows my mind 🤯
Steve I really appreciate your honesty, especially compare to other YT skaters who also review these popular skate products and we know they have a Spitfire bias when it comes to skate wheel brand. You said these SFF4 93A is more similar to the X99 than the X97 due to the feel of the hardness, so when it comes to speed are the SFF4 93A closer to the X99 or X97? Also when you said you give the edge to the X97 when you compare the X97 to the SFF4 93A do you mean that you pefer the X97 because they are slightly softer feel and thus a bit more comfy on rough surfaces while still as good and about the same when it comes to speed, slide and overall usability for all types of skating (street/park/tech/flip/ledge/rail)? Thanks ahead for answering and appreciate you 🎉🎉🎉🎉
thanks dude. gotta keep it honest! id say the speed is more comparable to the x97's. And Yup the x97's get the edge because of those reasons. It all comes down to personal preference, but overall for me the x97's just feel better. Any more info you want don't hesitate to ask!
@@stickersteve007never brought the X97 but according to your info and reviews I would also choose X97 over SFF4 93A for the same reasons if the speed and slide are the same, I don't care about the sound of the wheel as much as most other skaters but more so the performance and comfortability of the wheel especially on rough which is really the main use of these type of softer wheel + the ability to still slide. I mainly ride SFF4 99A for smooth park and Dragons for anything rough and not smooth so I have zero bias for wheel brand and prefer what skate wheels work best for what surfaces. If these type of wheels were available back in the 80s and 90s where there were no or much lesser skate parks available, I'm sure the X97 would probably be the highest selling wheel due to the fact it can be use well on the street and smoother surfaces, why Spitfire had to come out with a similar wheel such as these SFF3 93A to compete for the market. Thank you for your reviews and please keep them coming and keep us informed in the future and thanks again for being honest with your reviews 🎉🎉🎉🎉
great review, thank you for that. the only thing I noticed from someone skating them in a smooth concrete skatepark: at least on that ground the soft sliders were very silent, like I barely heard them rolling and on reverts I also heard next to nothing. kinda weird, but I expected as much: if you want a wheel that is great for tricks and commuting in street and handles the roughest spots, go with dragons or X. I love my spitfires for the skatepark, but nothing beats dragons in the street for me.
I skate the 97 spit fire wheels and they are definitely softer than the 99s and slide super good i would try the 93s but they don’t come in a radial full
Great review man honest and to the point!! So jealous of your ollies sooo much height!! 🤙 rc guy was annoying as hell 🤣 really suprised you think they are even harder then the x97’s thats wild.
they definitely felt harder while just rolling around. I immediately felt the difference when i threw down the board with the X97's on, but the spitfires did seem bouncier on the drop test. weird
one of my setups is dragons and one is spitfire 97a and i think i'm going to buy sliders next and swap out the other spitfires with them, so i should be able to tell the differences pretty easily. ideally they feel harder than dragons and not as icy as my spitfires (even though they're 97a)
One thing I've been thinking about is that Spitfire advertises it as a "93D" Not 93a. D Isn't a unit that measures durometer. Similar to "X97". I'm pretty sure they use their own system for hardness. I believe they wanted to be able to claim 93 to compete with dragons but they knew that it doesn't really measure that way when you test it. I think 93D is just to give the buyer an idea of what they were going for and what to expect but not a real reflection of the urethane itself. Kind of weird but I do enjoy the wheels. X97 are still king though
Thanks for this review! I've skated F4's in 101 and 99 since they came out because they don't flatspot, but I love the Dragons for how they handle shitty pavement and they are noticeably easier on my joints. I ordered some Spit 93s 20 minutes ago but I think I'm going to try and cancel my order, because as much as I love hard wheels on smooth park concrete, that's not where I spend most of my time. Hope tactics has a cancellation option.
@@stickersteve007 I folded and ordered a set today. But rationalized it by telling my buddy that I'm giving them to him if I don't like them. I've always been a hard wheel guy, but I since getting the Dragons I started skating a couple crusty spots that are now my favorite places. Hopefully the Spits will be kind on my joints too. Formula 4s had been my favorite wheel since they came out, so I'm pretty excited to try them.
Spitfire has never been my wheel. I tried the Tablets and they didn't work for me. I skated them for a long time. I do have a set of 58mm formula 4 that are great on one of my bowl boards. I liked the Dragons but X97 and X99 are great. All that being said, I have spent most of the year on a set of 84B Bones. I like the hardness when doing nose slides because they don't stick in ledges at all. (I am in the park and not the street) Maybe I will try these. I have a fun board to setup they would probably be good for. Honestly, I think because I skated in the 80s I am conditioned to be a Bones guy. While 90s skaters seem to be more Spitfire. So maybe it is a Culture thing.
U sounded like u had more pop on the sliders 🤷♂️ i have both in 54s . I like my 56mm bones rough riders the most lol great video i watch u from my other channel 👍☝
Kewl, kewl! I look forward to eventually trying the X97s. But apart from the fact that I have several 99A Spits and a set of 99A Bones STFs that I want to ride because I spent money on them I feel like the Soft Sliders are my new go to wheel and that I am done riding 99A or more wheels outside of smooth parks at least😊. I just really like the Sliders being hard feeling but still somehow not. The Dragons to me are still a great wheel though but has a more rubbery cruisery feel. The Dragons I could see myself stick on my cruiser/work transport deck in a big size and feel good on the rough streets over longer distances and with speed. Currently I have 60mm 80A Bones Filmers wheels on there.
@@stickersteve007 it’s the fact that the Dragons feel like they eat some of my pop and the Sliders don’t that sold me on the Sliders. Oh and the actually considerably better slideability.
X formula rules 🔥 I tried dragons and they’re way to much softer. (Horrible sound and bouncing too much) Since I turned to X formula 97 I really kept only the great feeling of skateboarding any surfaces with no crap sound and no pain on legs after 3 or 4 hours sesh. Definitely the best wheels for my 48 years old legs
@@stickersteve007 I agree. I think I’m going to get my spitfire 97a’s out and do a DIRECT comparison with those- to see how different those feel under the same tests
@@stickersteve007 it’s all the marketing and the It’s obvious that Powell tries to support skaters early into there career as opposed to grabbing up all the hot names in skating constantly. They are the only brand with in house every thing and all USA made. With American workers providing Americans jobs in skateboarding manufacturing which is so cool. They should re brand and focus on that. Everyone else is in China, or at minimum BBS and PS STIX are in Mexico right over the border but they are not doing what Powell is doing when it comes to product development and research and designing. They need a new image
@@stickersteve007 agreed. 👍 bones has had a lot better brand imagine in the market for a long time. They on the other hand seem to get the marketing right, and support so many skaters from all over the world. One of the things that’s hard for smaller niche brands to do, because of shipping costs, Japan and South America and Australia are some of the hardest country’s to sponsor people in, and Powell /Bones does a good job of that, at a loss for the company, financially.
This is the review we needed. I’m on the x97 for the past year and it sounds like I’ll stay there!
i think you should. save your $$$.
exactly if it aint broke dont fix it.
Spifire: "Through years of rigorous testing including feedback from the esteemed Reynolds we have created a urethane formula that reads 93 on the A scale meter but rides like a 99a wheel in use."
And I'm a Spitfire guy.
Very happy someone covered this. Wheel choice is massive where I am on east coast up north . Much thanks Steve 🙏
Hopefully it helped! 🙏
I'd be curious what you think of the new reformulated F4 97s compared to the X97s.
I’m old and have been loving the dragons, but they are bouncy. I tried the dual duros and hated them, I was thinking about trying the Spite Fires, but I guess the X97s will be my next set of wheels.
the Dragon's were also too bouncy for me. X97's feel softer than to me than the soft sliders, but don't feel bouncy and slide the same. and The X97's are about $7 cheaper which is a plus!
Great review! I completely agree with you. Was skating the X99s V5 and have 2 sessions on the spit 93a classics. Feel identical to me. I did not like the x97s. They stuck too often. I do enjoy the smoother ride of both the x99 and spit 93a compared to regular 99 formulas. Glad there are so many choices now. Keep up the great videos!!
thanks dude! so im not crazy then lol
I just got the soft sliders 2 days ago, they feel really good 2nd day of skating them today. I slide really long on ledges, I notice whenever i am doing noseslides or tailslides i need to wax them ledges on the side and on top of the ledge which is a bit annoying but tolerable especially coming from a 99a spitfire classic wheel. The speed is fucking incredible and smooth on them though it feels like i don't have to push for shit to approach a ledge which is amazing. After doing tons of research and watching a bunch of comparison videos of bones vs spitfires it looks like i am only sticking with the soft sliders and i definitely want to try out the bones x99's. Does the X99 slide better for noseslides or tailslides compare to soft sliders? or are they the same?
This video format was the coolest... loved the side by side... you have great consistency... my local shop should be getting them in this week im jumping on the wagon bro
Thanks dude! And yeah go for it. They are still good wheels. Just misleading in my opinion
actually i have 2 setups going right now with dragons and spitfire 97a, so i might have to swap both out for sliders & bones so i can see which of those 2 i like. wheel madness is like the last bit of madness i haven't sorted out. i dunno, i may actually prefer the 97a classics over the dragons despite not being as comfy, but that also might just be because i'm a bit burnt out on dragons after riding them for a few sets in a row. it would be nice if i had strong feelings for either the sliders or x97 after trying them out to help me make a decision what wheels to ride for good.
The wheel madness can be a tough one. I've settled on the x97's, but that doesn't mean I won't try other wheels. It's fun messing around with this stuff
i live in downtown toronto and im riding the spitfire 80hd chargers, the ground is pretty rough so i need something kinda soft. Problem is when I go to do tricks the pop or scoop feels a bit off, i kind of have to pop my treflips you know? I have a completely different set up just to go to the park with and do tricks though. Would you recommend switching out the softer wheels for these in a gritty city like toronto or do i just stick to my 2 different setups do you think? It's kinda annoying cause I can't bs 180 revert cleanly or do bs 180's with a nice revert at the end with the 80s, but i can ollie up curbs and ride on the streets so it gets the job done - i'd like to do tricks though
In that situation I'd say go with the dragon wheels. Or maybe the x97's. But even the x97's might be to hard on the rough streets
I would definitely recommend the nano cubics from powell Peralta in 93a. They have the dragon formular and they are perfect for rough grounds as they are soft but they slide so freaking good. It's really the perfect combination! And I haven't had any problems at the skatepark as some people say. It's worth it!
Oh and it'll take 1 or 2 sessions to break them really in
The cactus Bones Decenzos are x99's...right?
yeah the one's i was holding at the end were X99's. Same shape and MM as the X97's i was skating
@@stickersteve007 that makes sense. Thanks for this review, I haven't tried the soft sliders but got the impression that they might be more X formula than dragon.
@@cpstudioworks 💯 correct
I got myself some Dragons (53mm V6 shape) about a week before Spitfire first announced their Soft Sliders so I was a little regretful at first but I've ridden them for a couple of weeks now and I'm honestly loving them. Your recent reviews have really reassured me that I made the right choice because I was looking for a softer more forgiving wheel option that is also versatile on different surfaces 🙏
Right on! Glad the vids helped in any way.
yes! sticking with the X-Formula's, I used to be Spitfire all the way but they have become way too expensive and I like the X-Formula's (both X97 and X99)
Them X-Formulas are just good wheels. And yeah the spirfires have become quite expensive
I just got the soft sliders 2 days ago, they feel really good 2nd day of skating them today. I slide really long on ledges, I notice whenever i am doing noseslides or tailslides i need to wax them ledges on the side and on top of the ledge which is a bit annoying but tolerable especially coming from a 99a spitfire classic wheel. The speed is fucking incredible and smooth on them though it feels like i don't have to push for shit to approach a ledge which is amazing. After doing tons of research and watching a bunch of comparison videos of bones vs spitfires it looks like i am only sticking with the soft sliders and i definitely want to try out the bones x99's.
Right on. Sounds like you'd probably like the x99's as well.
Hey man, good review. I have the x97s and dragons and I noticed they slow down on pinched tricks on metal coping. Could you do a side by side comparison of crooks on metal with the same speed?
If I could I would Lol. All I have is a box with angle iron. X97s seem to pinch fine on that
Many thanks! ❤ my 🐉’s. I slid them yesterday and I’m totally happy. I keep hearing the Spits are a bit harder from everyone.
they are definitely harder
My understanding is spitfire wanted a hybrid wheel that preformed and sounded as similarly to a normal street wheel while reducing some impact and vibration. That being said spitfires hardness scale is definitely a marketing thing. For example the 99du are definitely harder than 99 and the 97du feel more like a 99 from every other brand.
i agree. i think it comes down to marketing. still a little manipulating. especially in this case
@@stickersteve007 spitfire has been top of the game for a while now. Got a bit of competition now bones is back in the competition. I’m not skating spitfire for the time being, they’re way to expensive now and I’m a fanboy
I've found that spitfire F4s can feel different with colors vs natural. I found that the colored 99as feel slightly harder than the naturals, but the colored 97as feel a LOT softer than the naturals. I got a set of 60mm (which is huge for me) 97as in red and at first I thought it was the size but they're definitely softer. I talked to someone who had the same wheels and he was like "oh yeah, these definitely do not feel like 97s"
Looked like the Soft Sliders bounced a touch higher, but seemed louder and had a much more buttery powerslide.
I noticed that too. Powerslide could have been my fault though lol
My question is are they much slower than 99 formula fours? (93a spitfires)?!?!
in this particular parking lot i would say the Soft Sliders would feel faster
I have skated spitfire wheels for like over 8 years and I think that after all the wheels I have tried other than spitfire and including spitfires I think the nano cubic dragon wheels that are 97a are the best all round skate wheel that I’ve ever skated. They are great at the park, in the streets, at DIY spots and they slide good and ride soft on rough ground. Just my opinion lol! Nice vid to bro👍
That x97 formula is hard to best in my opinion. Love the feedback. Thank you
@@stickersteve007 oh yeah bones wheels are my second favorite ive skated them a bunch!
Yea agree, bones nano or X best wheels out
i don't like that the nano cubics are asymmetrical, but i do like the x97 v6
@@diplenski the Nano cubics are nuts. The harder and messed up the ground, the faster they go
This is the review I've been waiting for. Everyone has been comparing them to dragons.
yup because they claim 93s, but they don't feel that way at all. and all the people making video's about these wheels just assume that they have to be 93's
I do think you are absolutely right in the review. I think they just slapped a 93 label on them because dragons and x formula have sold well.
@@jackcraters if that's true...that ain't cool at all lol
Haven't tried the spitfire yet but I am in love with bones X so idk
I wouldn't waste your time then. Unless you get em for cheap or free. Soft sliders are good, but it's nothing different from what's already been out. And definitely not a 93a
Hmmm yeah they definitely aren't 93a, but when I tried my friend's side by side with my dragons, they felt pretty comparable...? Maybe like 95a. I do have some v6 x97's, so maybe I'm gonna put those one and see how they compare...
I do remember though, when I had f4 tablet 99a, I was shocked how hard they felt. I loved how they slid, but it's not sustainable for my old bones to be taking the landings from them.
it's all subjective at the end of the day, but i felt like they were more comparable to the x97's than the dragons. still really good wheel's though
I love the x97’s everywhere. It’s the perfect all terrain wheel… but I really miss sliding around on smooth concrete which is damn near impossible on smooth skatepark concrete with the x97’s
I’m looking forward to trying the 93a’s next month.
But if the 93’s didn’t exist, it would be 97’s all day long.
im interested to see how the spitfires slide at the park. i may have to finally go to a skatepark again
@@stickersteve007 you're absolutely right, though. I love the x97's in the street. they handle everything well (including chunky asphalt)
@@stickersteve007 oh and they NEED to bring back the original all Black graphic of the x97.
i noticed dont slide well on smooth ground. it has to be a little bumpy. im not going to pretend to know why.
Something I noticed when these first came out was all the TH-cam guys that got these for free were calling them the 93a’s not soft slider. Soft sliders is an awful name but makes me think spitfire might not be totally genuine with the hardness of these. Felt like they were told to call the that and nobody mentions how hard they are. Kinda lame.
I agree. It's misleading in my opinion, and everyone just went along with it and compared em to dragon wheels. Maybe they were sent a script with the wheels lol
The product review I needed
hope it helped on some way
@@stickersteve007 🫶🏾🤙🏾✊🏾
you could get a durometer gauge if you were curious, they aren't especially expensive. hardness isn't the only factor in how a wheel performs, but a gauge would tell you if you are getting what was advertised
I could do that or someone else could lol. I go by feel. And they just don't feel anywhere close to a 93a
@@stickersteve007 i get that. i would say my x97s feel softer than my '80s oj 97s, could just be due to age idk. maybe i'll get a gauge, i'm curious and i think it would make for a good video
@@diplenski Sorry in advance to geek out. A durometer gauge will only measure indentation hardness but there's also rebound hardness which is a set of test conditions. I heard that it was the rebound formulation that George Powell really focused his R&D on with the Dragons/ X Formula because a faster rebound is typically associated with harder material/ slower rebound with softer material (fast rebound = faster rolling speed). With some engineering wizardry, GP managed to develop a soft durometer / high rebound formula. I might be completely wrong here but this could be why the Spitfires and Dragons feel so different. All I can say is that my 93a Dragons are way faster than my previous regular 99a wheels which blows my mind 🤯
Haven't tried the spitfires but i feel like the dragons are actually way lower than 93a
That definitely could be true. But I've skated lower durometers that definitely feel softer than the dragon's.
Steve I really appreciate your honesty, especially compare to other YT skaters who also review these popular skate products and we know they have a Spitfire bias when it comes to skate wheel brand. You said these SFF4 93A is more similar to the X99 than the X97 due to the feel of the hardness, so when it comes to speed are the SFF4 93A closer to the X99 or X97? Also when you said you give the edge to the X97 when you compare the X97 to the SFF4 93A do you mean that you pefer the X97 because they are slightly softer feel and thus a bit more comfy on rough surfaces while still as good and about the same when it comes to speed, slide and overall usability for all types of skating (street/park/tech/flip/ledge/rail)?
Thanks ahead for answering and appreciate you 🎉🎉🎉🎉
thanks dude. gotta keep it honest! id say the speed is more comparable to the x97's. And Yup the x97's get the edge because of those reasons. It all comes down to personal preference, but overall for me the x97's just feel better. Any more info you want don't hesitate to ask!
@@stickersteve007never brought the X97 but according to your info and reviews I would also choose X97 over SFF4 93A for the same reasons if the speed and slide are the same, I don't care about the sound of the wheel as much as most other skaters but more so the performance and comfortability of the wheel especially on rough which is really the main use of these type of softer wheel + the ability to still slide. I mainly ride SFF4 99A for smooth park and Dragons for anything rough and not smooth so I have zero bias for wheel brand and prefer what skate wheels work best for what surfaces. If these type of wheels were available back in the 80s and 90s where there were no or much lesser skate parks available, I'm sure the X97 would probably be the highest selling wheel due to the fact it can be use well on the street and smoother surfaces, why Spitfire had to come out with a similar wheel such as these SFF3 93A to compete for the market. Thank you for your reviews and please keep them coming and keep us informed in the future and thanks again for being honest with your reviews 🎉🎉🎉🎉
The Soft Sliders aren't Formula Four urethane.
@@vorpalblades they advertise them as F4 93d
@@stickersteve007 seems I was mistaken.
great review, thank you for that.
the only thing I noticed from someone skating them in a smooth concrete skatepark: at least on that ground the soft sliders were very silent, like I barely heard them rolling and on reverts I also heard next to nothing.
kinda weird, but I expected as much: if you want a wheel that is great for tricks and commuting in street and handles the roughest spots, go with dragons or X.
I love my spitfires for the skatepark, but nothing beats dragons in the street for me.
interesting. i basically never skate skateparks, so i didnt bother testing them at the park. I suppose i could though to find out for myself
ask the guy if he uses bearing spacers. they silence skateboards to an annoying level.
I skate the 97 spit fire wheels and they are definitely softer than the 99s and slide super good i would try the 93s but they don’t come in a radial full
i bet they will come in all shapes eventually
Great review man honest and to the point!! So jealous of your ollies sooo much height!! 🤙 rc guy was annoying as hell 🤣 really suprised you think they are even harder then the x97’s thats wild.
they definitely felt harder while just rolling around. I immediately felt the difference when i threw down the board with the X97's on, but the spitfires did seem bouncier on the drop test. weird
@@stickersteve007 they sound a lot harder too in my opinion
one of my setups is dragons and one is spitfire 97a and i think i'm going to buy sliders next and swap out the other spitfires with them, so i should be able to tell the differences pretty easily. ideally they feel harder than dragons and not as icy as my spitfires (even though they're 97a)
Thank you, Sticker Steve
One thing I've been thinking about is that Spitfire advertises it as a "93D" Not 93a. D Isn't a unit that measures durometer. Similar to "X97". I'm pretty sure they use their own system for hardness. I believe they wanted to be able to claim 93 to compete with dragons but they knew that it doesn't really measure that way when you test it. I think 93D is just to give the buyer an idea of what they were going for and what to expect but not a real reflection of the urethane itself. Kind of weird but I do enjoy the wheels. X97 are still king though
Good point. Still a little weird to me
I appreciate your honest review
gotta keep it honest. appreciate you watchin!
Thanks for this review! I've skated F4's in 101 and 99 since they came out because they don't flatspot, but I love the Dragons for how they handle shitty pavement and they are noticeably easier on my joints. I ordered some Spit 93s 20 minutes ago but I think I'm going to try and cancel my order, because as much as I love hard wheels on smooth park concrete, that's not where I spend most of my time. Hope tactics has a cancellation option.
Maybe you can try em out on a buddys board or something first. $50 is a lot to spend on a wheel you might not like.
@@stickersteve007 I folded and ordered a set today. But rationalized it by telling my buddy that I'm giving them to him if I don't like them. I've always been a hard wheel guy, but I since getting the Dragons I started skating a couple crusty spots that are now my favorite places. Hopefully the Spits will be kind on my joints too. Formula 4s had been my favorite wheel since they came out, so I'm pretty excited to try them.
The Soft Sliders sounded like it had a hard pop. They should’ve just advertised it as a whole new formula like the “R” formula or R Duro
i agree. they still could have advertised them as a softer wheel that slides
Spitfire has never been my wheel. I tried the Tablets and they didn't work for me. I skated them for a long time. I do have a set of 58mm formula 4 that are great on one of my bowl boards.
I liked the Dragons but X97 and X99 are great. All that being said, I have spent most of the year on a set of 84B Bones. I like the hardness when doing nose slides because they don't stick in ledges at all. (I am in the park and not the street)
Maybe I will try these. I have a fun board to setup they would probably be good for.
Honestly, I think because I skated in the 80s I am conditioned to be a Bones guy. While 90s skaters seem to be more Spitfire. So maybe it is a Culture thing.
Definitely could be a culture thing. Gotta just skate what feels right
@@stickersteve007 💯🛹🙏
I got the Bronx V5 wheels 53 mm and they really good
x97's?
@@stickersteve007 they are the Bronx v5 Conical 100A
U sounded like u had more pop on the sliders 🤷♂️ i have both in 54s . I like my 56mm bones rough riders the most lol great video i watch u from my other channel 👍☝
Thanks dude! Now I'm rockin risers and feel like I have even more pop
thanks for the review :)
hope it helped in some way
Kewl, kewl! I look forward to eventually trying the X97s.
But apart from the fact that I have several 99A Spits and a set of 99A Bones STFs that I want to ride because I spent money on them I feel like the Soft Sliders are my new go to wheel and that I am done riding 99A or more wheels outside of smooth parks at least😊. I just really like the Sliders being hard feeling but still somehow not. The Dragons to me are still a great wheel though but has a more rubbery cruisery feel. The Dragons I could see myself stick on my cruiser/work transport deck in a big size and feel good on the rough streets over longer distances and with speed. Currently I have 60mm 80A Bones Filmers wheels on there.
The soft sliders are good wheels. I'd definitely choose them over the dragon's. I just prefer the x97's.
@@stickersteve007 it’s the fact that the Dragons feel like they eat some of my pop and the Sliders don’t that sold me on the Sliders. Oh and the actually considerably better slideability.
The X97's are loud as fuck at 4:33 lol
dude i hear ya. reviewing the footage was wild. x97's sounded harder in some cases but felt softer. i should tape a mic on the board
X formula rules 🔥
I tried dragons and they’re way to much softer. (Horrible sound and bouncing too much)
Since I turned to X formula 97 I really kept only the great feeling of skateboarding any surfaces with no crap sound and no pain on legs after 3 or 4 hours sesh. Definitely the best wheels for my 48 years old legs
Hands down my favorite all around wheel.
2:58 ADHD kicking in. TLDR just get the X97 wheels. :)
Lol it's distracting. And yup x97's!
yes sir
this is pretty much the conclusion I’ve come to as well
these are much harder than dragons and are much MORE like the bones X formulas
yup, that's my conclusion as well
@@stickersteve007 I like em
but hard to call them 93 duro
I have spitfire 97s and they feel very much the same
@@likeSK8 i like em too, but calling them 93's is misleading in my opinion
@@stickersteve007 I agree.
I think I’m going to get my spitfire 97a’s out and do a DIRECT comparison with those- to see how different those feel under the same tests
@@likeSK8 please lmk what you think 🤔
Bones STFs all the way, nothing else.
I prefer the bones wheels these day's
I honestly gotta say Powell is by far the best at wheels 🛞 maybe not the coolest brand but definitely the best quality
Nail on the head dude! Powell might seem lame, but Bones seems cooler somehow lol
@@stickersteve007 it’s all the marketing and the It’s obvious that Powell tries to support skaters early into there career as opposed to grabbing up all the hot names in skating constantly.
They are the only brand with in house every thing and all USA made. With American workers providing Americans jobs in skateboarding manufacturing which is so cool.
They should re brand and focus on that.
Everyone else is in China, or at minimum BBS and PS STIX are in Mexico right over the border but they are not doing what Powell is doing when it comes to product development and research and designing.
They need a new image
@@stickersteve007 agreed. 👍 bones has had a lot better brand imagine in the market for a long time. They on the other hand seem to get the marketing right, and support so many skaters from all over the world. One of the things that’s hard for smaller niche brands to do, because of shipping costs, Japan and South America and Australia are some of the hardest country’s to sponsor people in, and Powell /Bones does a good job of that, at a loss for the company, financially.