This is also a great example of why taking prisoners is not just humane, but strategic. Fannin’s soldiers surrendered because they believed it was their best chance of survival. When news spread of their execution, it galvanized the Texians, and showed them that there would be no mercy, meaning their best chance to survive was to fight to the death
Ya know, as a native Texan whose fam has been ranching down there since 1805, this channel makes me beam with pride whenever there's a vid about Texas and its Independence. Thank you ❤️ 👏
Texas and its Independence? Texas did NOT fight for its Independence. These territories were stolen from Mexico by Pirates, with the support of the United States Gov't. It is difficult understand how Mr. Davy Crockett can be considered an "American Hero"... Well, may be cuz curiously, it turns out that ALL US Heroes are Criminals. (Is a Verifiable Fact that ALL US Heroes are "Bandits". Is a sad truth: Our country, the US, is a world military and economic power, but nevertheless, no US Citizen can be proud of this, cuz our Empire is the product of Piracy, Slavery, Genocide, Murder of Word Leaders, the Opium and Cocaine Trafficking. And the Weakness of other sovereign nations. We have "Grown" 711 the size of our territory from the original 13 colonies). Okay: Mr. Crockett was a Fur Trapper, Mercenary, Looter and Slaver. He was involved in the Dispossession, Robbery and Murder of the Native Nations of America. Particularly with the Cherokee, Shawnee, Creek, and Seminole Peoples. And it is precisely here that Mr. Crockett gains notoriety with his abuses. The Myth that Mr. Davy Crockett confronted Mr. Andrew Jackson for his "Intentions to take away territories from the Native Americans to concentrate them in Oklahoma", are False. Mr. Davy Crockett did NOT argue with Mr. Jackson. Quite the opposite. He supported him and the "Emigration" was carried out. Mr. Davy Crockett was a Barely Educated Fortune Seeker Adventurer who went all the way to Texas to Rob Property (as he had any real property of his own). In fact, all those who died at The Alamo were Pirates and Assassins. Mr. James "Jim" Bowie, for example, was a Mercenary who fled from southeastern Missouri to Louisiana, cuz the Law wanted him for a double murder. Mr. William Barret Travis, Mercenary, Slaver and Thief. Him, one day and without further ado, abandoned his pregnant wife; to his son and unborn daughter, to: "Start all over again, in Texas." He was also fleeing from the Law. Finally: Who died in The Alamo fought for the Independence of Texas? Independence? NOT! None of those who died at the Battle of The Alamo were originally from Texas. NO ONE! They were all newcomers. They were all from Kentucky, Pennsylvania, Mississippi, from Virginia, Carolina, Tennessee, etc. But not from Texas. All came to Texas cuz were promised 4,600 acres as soon as they won their war. Therefore, they were Pirates. For this to be understood, we make a comparison. Question: Is it Fair and Legal, that the Russians have declared the "Independence" of Donbas? Not! The Russians of Donbas can NOT declare "Independence" cuz they are NOT Ukrainians... They are Russians! Now: Is it Fair and Legal for Mr. Putin to Recognize and Annex the Donbas to Russia? Not! That's a Robbery. Well, this is exactly the same as what happened with Texas. The territory of Texas belonged to Mexico, and there was NO reason nor "Casus Belli" for citizens of Tennessee, Virginia, Kentucky, Carolina, etc. claim Territorial Rights. So which Independence? Why here, in US, the Pirates are Heroes?
My BS detector is going off. 1805 was 15 years before Mexico became independent of Spain. Natively your family are Spanish? Then Mexican then Texan and finally American, lol. My family settled just South of Ft Worth. The Haley Branch of the Nolan River is named after my g-gramps James Haley.
@Despiser25 Ya know, you're right. I re-read the ancestry doc and it's say, "My Family came from Germany in 1846. Our Kerr County ranch has been in the family for 100 years." Thank you for correcting my error. Much love and respect to your family, friend.
The authors of many of the books I've read on the Texas Revolution have struggled with Fannin. The politicians trying to run the Texas government loved the guy because he'd been at West Point, conveniently ignoring the fact that Fannin never graduated, having dropped out after his second year. Fannin knew he was no commander, a fact he admitted in a Feb.14, 1836, letter he wrote to James Robinson, the then-acting governor of Texas: "I do not desire any command, and particularly that of chief. I know, if you and the council do not, that I am incompetent. Fortune, and brave soldiers, may favor me and save the State, and establish for me a reputation far beyond my deserts. I do not covet, and I do earnestly ask of you . . . to relieve me, and make a selection of one possessing all the requisites of a commander." On Feb. 22, Fannin wrote the brass: "I am a better judge of my military abilities than others, and if I am qualified to command an Army, I have not found it out." In over his head as a C in C, but unquestionably brave. A good fighter (under the right circumstances). As Houston described him, Fannin was "an ill-fated man."
@@WarhawkYT Agreed. I've visited La Bahia, Coleto Creek and other Texas Revolution sites. In fact, the sites where the three columns of Fannin's troops were executed are remarkably unchanged, but they sit on privately-owned lands and are inaccessible to the public. Perhaps one day . . .
I’ve learned more about my states war for independence from this channel than I did from anywhere else! My visits to the Alamo, Gonzales, and San Jacinto have so much more context now!
One of the biggest artifact displays that affected me the most were the displays of buttons from the funeral pyres of Goliad displayed at The Alamo. It really hit me hard and made you feel the gravity of the situation they were in.
@@Taocat1 ya, I can’t imagine going through all that. My great grandmother visited the Alamo decades ago before it changed ownership, and there was still blood on the walls. That was probably I’m guessing in the 50s or 60s but I can’t remember. It’s a shame they washed it off!
@@Ureconstructed I’ve read a few. I’m very slow at reading, so when I can learn large amounts of information from shorter videos I opt to maximize my time that way.
@@trev5.566 that’s like saying you’re working out by lifting your tv remote to watch a workout show. These videos are informative and entertaining, but you can learn more by reading. If you’re slow at reading, that’s fine, be slow. Just don’t expect to learn more form a video than by reading a book. That’s foolish.
Gracias por las palabras amables. Perdón por la mala traducción. Ese es el objetivo de esta serie, quiero mostrar toda la revolución, no sólo los aspectos más destacados que todos conocen.
Gran video, realmente es interesante la historia de la independencia de Texas, desgraciadamente en México ésa parte de la historia no es mencionada en las escuelas, pero gracias a vídeos como éste se puede aprender un poco más
Interesting how the men under his command still spoke highly of him though. Makes me think a lot of the delay was from his subordinates wishing to make a stand at Goliad rather than retreat to Houstons lines
@stevencooper4422 it is the same thing with McClellan...inept in getting done what is needed to be done. However atleast Fannin didnt fall apart in combat. McClellan would.
Fannin was loved by his men and was certainly courageous but i think his millitary expertise was lacking.He stalled too long and allowed Urrea to concentrate his forces against Ward and King and was just indecisive hence the massacre.
My family oral history always stated that my 4th great grand uncle William Quinn (who had been born in Ireland) was one of the Texan prisoners who were murdered by the Mexican Army at Goliad. However, like many family oral histories, my family had this wrong. William Quinn was actually killed in battle at Coleto. Strange how this would make me feel a itle better but, it did!
Awesome vid and I did know about the Goliad massacre and all of these battles only Alamo so you teaching us well, bravo keep it up and I am waiting for the next vid for The French and Indian war btw, have a nice week.👌👌👏👏
Proud of my Texas history and enjoy the video. It sad though that so much history is left out. So many native Tejanos don’t know their ancestors fought and died for Texas because they were left out of the history books. We hear more about Anglos from the US that were defeated and massacred than we hear about the Tejanos that without them the Texas revolution would have been lost.
Another fantastic video in an excellent series. Shows there's more to the Texas Revolution than just the Alamo. I look forward to your video on San Jacinto!! Francita Alvarez is the one who intervened and had Shackleford and others spared as workers. She even smuggled a few men out of La Bahia the night before and hid them until the massacre was over. Earning her the sobriquet of "the Angel of Goliad".
17:15 he's not necessarily wrong either, since even the Georgia Battalion inflicted over 5 TIMES as many casualties on the Mexican forces as they received. The issue of course was Fannin's lack of initiative and fortification when confronting the enemy for actual combat.
Well, this is something. Great. Although, Fannin had a West Point education he shows hesitation and indecision in regards to his men. He could have left Goliad before Urrea came and trapped him. Fannin was overconfident in his belief that his men could beat Mexican soldiers. Him staying at Goliad was his downfall. He showed indecision in not supporting the defenders at the Alamo and not listening to Sam Houston. The massacre at Goliad was seen in Gone to Texas and Texas Rising. After news of the massacre at Goliad reached Houston, the Texian hatred for Mexicans grew. Now, they had two battle cries. "Remember the Alamo!, Remember Goliad!"
I've been to the Mission La Bahia. Its church is still run by the Catholic Diocese. The Mission also serves as a hotel, they rent out rooms. No, thanks. I don't want to be visited by ghosts.
I lived in South Texas for a time. I have been to and through Goliad many times. I never fail to think about this incident each and every time I go through Goliad.....The un incorporated area south of Victoria of Fannin....Many times through Gonzales.....Even made it to San Jacinto on my honeymoon.
West Point seems to have graduated a whole lot of duds and scrubs since its early days. Fannin and Custer each managed to get their entire command wiped out. Recently Mark Milley presided over the disastrous and humiliating withdrawal from Afghanistan. In between there have been a ton of other losers that have cost the US dearly in men and materiel. Either West Point is not as great an institution as its prestige would indicate, or the Army's promotion process sucks at weeding out the feeble in judgement and character.
I dont think every single person who graduates from West Point is going to be a military genius. However, there are also plenty of guys who proved to be the best in their time.
Texas and its Independence? Texas did NOT fight for its Independence. These territories were stolen from Mexico by Pirates, with the support of the United States Gov't. It is difficult understand how Mr. Davy Crockett can be considered an "American Hero"... Well, may be cuz curiously, it turns out that ALL US Heroes are Criminals. (Is a Verifiable Fact that ALL US Heroes are "Bandits". Is a sad truth: Our country, the US, is a world military and economic power, but nevertheless, no US Citizen can be proud of this, cuz our Empire is the product of Piracy, Slavery, Genocide, Murder of Word Leaders, the Opium and Cocaine Trafficking. And the Weakness of other sovereign nations. We have "Grown" 711 the size of our territory from the original 13 colonies). Okay: Mr. Crockett was a Fur Trapper, Mercenary, Looter and Slaver. He was involved in the Dispossession, Robbery and Murder of the Native Nations of America. Particularly with the Cherokee, Shawnee, Creek, and Seminole Peoples. And it is precisely here that Mr. Crockett gains notoriety with his abuses. The Myth that Mr. Davy Crockett confronted Mr. Andrew Jackson for his "Intentions to take away territories from the Native Americans to concentrate them in Oklahoma", are False. Mr. Davy Crockett did NOT argue with Mr. Jackson. Quite the opposite. He supported him and the "Emigration" was carried out. Mr. Davy Crockett was a Barely Educated Fortune Seeker Adventurer who went all the way to Texas to Rob Property (as he had any real property of his own). In fact, all those who died at The Alamo were Pirates and Assassins. Mr. James "Jim" Bowie, for example, was a Mercenary who fled from southeastern Missouri to Louisiana, cuz the Law wanted him for a double murder. Mr. William Barret Travis, Mercenary, Slaver and Thief. Him, one day and without further ado, abandoned his pregnant wife; to his son and unborn daughter, to: "Start all over again, in Texas." He was also fleeing from the Law. Finally: Who died in The Alamo fought for the Independence of Texas? Independence? NOT! None of those who died at the Battle of The Alamo were originally from Texas. NO ONE! They were all newcomers. They were all from Kentucky, Pennsylvania, Mississippi, from Virginia, Carolina, Tennessee, etc. But not from Texas. All came to Texas cuz were promised 4,600 acres as soon as they won their war. Therefore, they were Pirates. For this to be understood, we make a comparison. Question: Is it Fair and Legal, that the Russians have declared the "Independence" of Donbas? Not! The Russians of Donbas can NOT declare "Independence" cuz they are NOT Ukrainians... They are Russians! Now: Is it Fair and Legal for Mr. Putin to Recognize and Annex the Donbas to Russia? Not! That's a Robbery. Well, this is exactly the same as what happened with Texas. The territory of Texas belonged to Mexico, and there was NO reason nor "Casus Belli" for citizens of Tennessee, Virginia, Kentucky, Carolina, etc. claim Territorial Rights. So which Independence? Why here, in US, the Pirates are Heroes?
There is a reenactment of the mascara bolier every year you can see the capture of them on Saturday then they do what's known as a ghost walk on Saturday night where you can see the lights of the Mexican officers and then on Sunday you can follow them to the massacre I have participated in this as a Mexican soldier and it is very surreal
@@WarhawkYT The Battle of La Angostura doesn't say the same until his best general Zachary Taylor was scared shitless by the dragon charge. And we prevented their advance to the north.
When I was in the military we had a 2nd lieutenant that was like Fannin. Very good knowledge of books but no practical application. He would have gotten us all killed. If we didn't take care of him first. No way I would have followed him into battle.
And dude were they pissed when they counter attacked 4 days later. All their belongings destroyed the escapees from goliad and survivors elsewhere, dude, they were fuckin heated.
Not to defend their actions, but Houston's troops' blood was up. So was the blood of Santa Anna's troops when storming the Alamo, considering what they did to many of the bodies of the Texan dead.
How do we know Fannin's last words if they were all wiped out? how do we know this is truth being that the ppl who lived only know what happened. For me its an example of the winner gets to wright the history. just like America being discovered by Colombus. We all know thats not true but my point is who told the story how it happened if they were all killed?
There were several survivors of the initial musket volleys who then ran like hell. Some escaped, but many did not. Some of the survivors left accounts, as did some of the Mexican officers.
I wish Texans viewed themselves as Americans. They have tons of heart. Unfortunately they always end up on the wrong side of history...which will never change.👎
I don't blame Santa Anna for the executions, he was doing what every person who cares about his country would do against rebels. It's easy to blame him as a monster, when you remember the Americans later took Utah, California etc in the Mexican-American War (which I hope, you make a series). I feel bad for Urrea, such a great commander but was overshadowed by Santa Anna's recklessness and stupidity. Had he been the overall commander, I think he'd defeat the Texians. He could have been the Scipio to Sam Houstin/Hannibal. Sad that he faded away in history for his lack of political power.
Santa Anna overthrew his own country's constitution to seize power, then committed heinous war crimes against any who objected. I definitely do blame Santa Anna.
After Santa Ana lost the and moved to New Jersey. He tried to sell an artificial rubber product that didn't work. So he added flavor and sugar to it 😂 and called it chewing gum. Yes Santa Ana lost the war and invented chewing gum and sold it in New Jersey.
Didn’t bother watching the whole video. What’s the difference between white Spanish and white Anglos and what you all have done through history other than just a fraction of what you all have done since arriving here illegally!
Get out of here with your misinformation "Austin's Colony was the first and largest Anglo-American settlement in Mexican Texas and was established by Stephen F. Austin in 1821. It was authorized by the Mexican government and allowed for the introduction of 300 families into Texas. Austin received permission to introduce an additional 1700 families into the colony between 1825 and 1831 under the terms of four colonization contracts made with the state of Coahuila and Texas under Mexican laws providing land for immigrants. By the time the colonial land offices were closed in 1835, almost 1,000 land titles had been issued in Austin's Colony." There is many historical accounts and records that prove that the Mexican government invited anglo settlers
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The fact that Urrea didn't even want the men excecuted and respected the men for their courage in battle was honestly a suprise
This is also a great example of why taking prisoners is not just humane, but strategic. Fannin’s soldiers surrendered because they believed it was their best chance of survival. When news spread of their execution, it galvanized the Texians, and showed them that there would be no mercy, meaning their best chance to survive was to fight to the death
Ya know, as a native Texan whose fam has been ranching down there since 1805, this channel makes me beam with pride whenever there's a vid about Texas and its Independence. Thank you ❤️ 👏
I appreciate that!
Texas and its Independence? Texas did NOT fight for its Independence. These territories were stolen from Mexico by Pirates, with the support of the United States Gov't. It is difficult understand how Mr. Davy Crockett can be considered an "American Hero"... Well, may be cuz curiously, it turns out that ALL US Heroes are Criminals. (Is a Verifiable Fact that ALL US Heroes are "Bandits". Is a sad truth: Our country, the US, is a world military and economic power, but nevertheless, no US Citizen can be proud of this, cuz our Empire is the product of Piracy, Slavery, Genocide, Murder of Word Leaders, the Opium and Cocaine Trafficking. And the Weakness of other sovereign nations. We have "Grown" 711 the size of our territory from the original 13 colonies). Okay: Mr. Crockett was a Fur Trapper, Mercenary, Looter and Slaver. He was involved in the Dispossession, Robbery and Murder of the Native Nations of America. Particularly with the Cherokee, Shawnee, Creek, and Seminole Peoples. And it is precisely here that Mr. Crockett gains notoriety with his abuses. The Myth that Mr. Davy Crockett confronted Mr. Andrew Jackson for his "Intentions to take away territories from the Native Americans to concentrate them in Oklahoma", are False. Mr. Davy Crockett did NOT argue with Mr. Jackson. Quite the opposite. He supported him and the "Emigration" was carried out. Mr. Davy Crockett was a Barely Educated Fortune Seeker Adventurer who went all the way to Texas to Rob Property (as he had any real property of his own). In fact, all those who died at The Alamo were Pirates and Assassins. Mr. James "Jim" Bowie, for example, was a Mercenary who fled from southeastern Missouri to Louisiana, cuz the Law wanted him for a double murder. Mr. William Barret Travis, Mercenary, Slaver and Thief. Him, one day and without further ado, abandoned his pregnant wife; to his son and unborn daughter, to: "Start all over again, in Texas." He was also fleeing from the Law. Finally: Who died in The Alamo fought for the Independence of Texas? Independence? NOT! None of those who died at the Battle of The Alamo were originally from Texas. NO ONE! They were all newcomers. They were all from Kentucky, Pennsylvania, Mississippi, from Virginia, Carolina, Tennessee, etc. But not from Texas. All came to Texas cuz were promised 4,600 acres as soon as they won their war. Therefore, they were Pirates. For this to be understood, we make a comparison. Question: Is it Fair and Legal, that the Russians have declared the "Independence" of Donbas? Not! The Russians of Donbas can NOT declare "Independence" cuz they are NOT Ukrainians... They are Russians! Now: Is it Fair and Legal for Mr. Putin to Recognize and Annex the Donbas to Russia? Not! That's a Robbery. Well, this is exactly the same as what happened with Texas. The territory of Texas belonged to Mexico, and there was NO reason nor "Casus Belli" for citizens of Tennessee, Virginia, Kentucky, Carolina, etc. claim Territorial Rights. So which Independence? Why here, in US, the Pirates are Heroes?
6th Gen here. 3rdGGF was at the Siege of Bexar and San Jacinto and I happen to agree.
My BS detector is going off. 1805 was 15 years before Mexico became independent of Spain. Natively your family are Spanish? Then Mexican then Texan and finally American, lol. My family settled just South of Ft Worth. The Haley Branch of the Nolan River is named after my g-gramps James Haley.
@Despiser25 Ya know, you're right. I re-read the ancestry doc and it's say, "My Family came from Germany in 1846. Our Kerr County ranch has been in the family for 100 years." Thank you for correcting my error. Much love and respect to your family, friend.
I gotta say, this channel is fast becoming my new favorite historical channel. PLEASE DON'T CHANGE STYLE LIKE THE OTHERS DID.
Thanks
Thank you Tim!
Wdym change styles like the others
@@pandookrboversimplified
The authors of many of the books I've read on the Texas Revolution have struggled with Fannin. The politicians trying to run the Texas government loved the guy because he'd been at West Point, conveniently ignoring the fact that Fannin never graduated, having dropped out after his second year.
Fannin knew he was no commander, a fact he admitted in a Feb.14, 1836, letter he wrote to James Robinson, the then-acting governor of Texas: "I do not desire any command, and particularly that of chief. I know, if you and the council do not, that I am incompetent. Fortune, and brave soldiers, may favor me and save the State, and establish for me a reputation far beyond my deserts. I do not covet, and I do earnestly ask of you . . . to relieve me, and make a selection of one possessing all the requisites of a commander."
On Feb. 22, Fannin wrote the brass: "I am a better judge of my military abilities than others, and if I am qualified to command an Army, I have not found it out."
In over his head as a C in C, but unquestionably brave. A good fighter (under the right circumstances). As Houston described him, Fannin was "an ill-fated man."
I like Fannin as a leader in the revolution and it’s really a sad story about his fate. He didn’t deserve to be executed but such is the fate of wars
@@WarhawkYT Agreed. I've visited La Bahia, Coleto Creek and other Texas Revolution sites. In fact, the sites where the three columns of Fannin's troops were executed are remarkably unchanged, but they sit on privately-owned lands and are inaccessible to the public. Perhaps one day . . .
All he had to do was obey Houston's orders
I’ve learned more about my states war for independence from this channel than I did from anywhere else!
My visits to the Alamo, Gonzales, and San Jacinto have so much more context now!
One of the biggest artifact displays that affected me the most were the displays of buttons from the funeral pyres of Goliad displayed at The Alamo. It really hit me hard and made you feel the gravity of the situation they were in.
@@Taocat1 ya, I can’t imagine going through all that.
My great grandmother visited the Alamo decades ago before it changed ownership, and there was still blood on the walls. That was probably I’m guessing in the 50s or 60s but I can’t remember.
It’s a shame they washed it off!
You should try reading books.
@@Ureconstructed I’ve read a few. I’m very slow at reading, so when I can learn large amounts of information from shorter videos I opt to maximize my time that way.
@@trev5.566 that’s like saying you’re working out by lifting your tv remote to watch a workout show. These videos are informative and entertaining, but you can learn more by reading. If you’re slow at reading, that’s fine, be slow. Just don’t expect to learn more form a video than by reading a book. That’s foolish.
Como mexicano apruebo este video. Muy interesante oír a gente hablar de más combates que solo El Álamo y San Jacinto
Gracias por las palabras amables. Perdón por la mala traducción. Ese es el objetivo de esta serie, quiero mostrar toda la revolución, no sólo los aspectos más destacados que todos conocen.
Love the Texas videos. Born and raised in SE TX and my pride grows when I watch these. Texas Forever!
these videos have gotten so so much better over the past couple of years. Keep it up Hawk!
Thanks, will do!
Jose De Urrea Never Lost a Single Battle to The Anglos. He remains the Most Competent Mexican in the Whole Texas Campaign
Another great presentation and with so much production quality and detail. I've been fanatical about Texas history most of my life. Thanks.
Much appreciated!
I truly respect this channel. Thank you!
I appreciate that!
How Houston defeated Santa Anna is absolutely astounding for the comedic failure of Santa Anna's officers to post lookouts.
That's what happens when you underestimate your enemy. A tale as old as time.
Houston waits for army to go to sleep, that is the only way the drunkard coward could have ever won. Dishonorably and cowardly.
As usual, I learned several new stories in this video. Thank you for the detailed explanations. I look forward to the next one.
you're welcome!
It's crazy how the guy who should have been the most suited to commanding a large Force amongst the Texans, ended up being easily the most inept
Yet again another great video, keep it up man :)
Thanks again!
Enjoying the series on the Texas Revolution, I have learned a lot of new information.
Awesome, thank you!
Great work, as always!
Thank you! Cheers!
Great job, keep it up, the production quality is A1, I’m very impressed sir.
Much appreciated!
Texan approved.
Thank you fellow Texan
Gran video, realmente es interesante la historia de la independencia de Texas, desgraciadamente en México ésa parte de la historia no es mencionada en las escuelas, pero gracias a vídeos como éste se puede aprender un poco más
gracias señor
Fannin: The Texan McClellan.
Interesting how the men under his command still spoke highly of him though. Makes me think a lot of the delay was from his subordinates wishing to make a stand at Goliad rather than retreat to Houstons lines
Mark Clark called…he said good job Fannin
Me to Fannin: you lost
Fannin: I didn't lose. I merely fail to win
@stevencooper4422 it is the same thing with McClellan...inept in getting done what is needed to be done.
However atleast Fannin didnt fall apart in combat.
McClellan would.
@@SoulKiller7Eternal I agree. McClellan had the additional fault of always OVERestimating enemy strength while Fannin thought the opposite.
What an excellent video. I'm so glad I stumbled upon it. Thank you.
For the algortihm! This channel is amazing!
Fannin was loved by his men and was certainly courageous but i think his millitary expertise was lacking.He stalled too long and allowed Urrea to concentrate his forces against Ward and King and was just indecisive hence the massacre.
Texas was blessed to have one intelligent leader who was brave and experienced, General Sam Houston.
And that's why we have a big ol' statue of him located just north of the very city named after him.
Heard you featured on HistoryMarche you're going places for sure.
thanks brother!
My family oral history always stated that my 4th great grand uncle William Quinn (who had been born in Ireland) was one of the Texan prisoners who were murdered by the Mexican Army at Goliad. However, like many family oral histories, my family had this wrong. William Quinn was actually killed in battle at Coleto. Strange how this would make me feel a itle better but, it did!
Awesome vid and I did know about the Goliad massacre and all of these battles only Alamo so you teaching us well, bravo keep it up and I am waiting for the next vid for The French and Indian war btw, have a nice week.👌👌👏👏
Thanks dim!
As someone who has spent 10 years doing living history at the presidio, and loves Ehrenberg- this video was a banger
Proud of my Texas history and enjoy the video. It sad though that so much history is left out. So many native Tejanos don’t know their ancestors fought and died for Texas because they were left out of the history books. We hear more about Anglos from the US that were defeated and massacred than we hear about the Tejanos that without them the Texas revolution would have been lost.
I'd always known about goliad but I wasn't aware of the straight up massacre it was portrayed here . Thx. 👍
Well it’s after all called the Goliad “Massacre”
Love your content ❤❤❤❤❤
Thanks!
Another fantastic video in an excellent series. Shows there's more to the Texas Revolution than just the Alamo. I look forward to your video on San Jacinto!!
Francita Alvarez is the one who intervened and had Shackleford and others spared as workers. She even smuggled a few men out of La Bahia the night before and hid them until the massacre was over. Earning her the sobriquet of "the Angel of Goliad".
Thanks John!
Bexar is pronounced Bear, the X is silent. Just being a social justice warrior lol.😇
don't be gay
17:15 he's not necessarily wrong either, since even the Georgia Battalion inflicted over 5 TIMES as many casualties on the Mexican forces as they received. The issue of course was Fannin's lack of initiative and fortification when confronting the enemy for actual combat.
Very good video 👍
Thank you 👍
Well, this is something. Great. Although, Fannin had a West Point education he shows hesitation and indecision in regards to his men. He could have left Goliad before Urrea came and trapped him. Fannin was overconfident in his belief that his men could beat Mexican soldiers. Him staying at Goliad was his downfall. He showed indecision in not supporting the defenders at the Alamo and not listening to Sam Houston. The massacre at Goliad was seen in Gone to Texas and Texas Rising. After news of the massacre at Goliad reached Houston, the Texian hatred for Mexicans grew. Now, they had two battle cries. "Remember the Alamo!, Remember Goliad!"
Yep, despite their failure and execution, the men at Goliad help energize the men under Houston’s command to fight hard until they win
The Mexicans are still losing because of these massacres to this very day..
Good video. Thanks for illustrating these events.
Great video! Cant wait until Civil War series returns
Maybe with a video on Fort Pillow...
in war nothing is as deadly as indecision
fannin made bad decision after bad decision. I think the moment was too big for him, West Point trained or not
You weren't there so your comment is unfounded. Enough said.
@@RonaldDownhamNot unfounded at all. All the facts are known. Santa Anna was a tyrant.
@@RonaldDownhamWe know the outcome of his decisions.
@@RonaldDownham I wasn’t at uvalde shooting but it seems they made a lot of mistakes too. Unfortunately it seems to be the case as well
if i may a suggestion for the next series to be of the french invasion of mexico
The Mexicans paid a heavy price up the road.
This video is amazing!
I've been to the Mission La Bahia. Its church is still run by the Catholic Diocese. The Mission also serves as a hotel, they rent out rooms.
No, thanks. I don't want to be visited by ghosts.
Lol
Which rooms are rented out? I’ve been there several times and have yet to find any suitable for anything other than a temporary shelter.
Excellent presentation.
thank you
I hate what they call them Texans. It's just American Pirates.
Oh, please.
Revolutionaries. But I guess only the Mexicans could be Rebels, right?
Remember Goliad, Remember the Alamo!!!
i 'member
10/9
José de Urrea was born in San Agustín del Tucsón, Alta California (Tucson Arizona).
I wish the man, who gave me my love for Texas history, Coach Price. I wish he could have seen this.
Sorry to hear that bro, I lost a coach who got me into history as well.
Fannon had a bad case of the "slows"
Such a good video with such high production quality, why do you not have more veiws and subs?
The algorithm prefers frequent uploads rather than video quality 🙄
This, I can’t get videos out fast enough to have the algorithm favor me and I would rather not rush videos.
@@WarhawkYT Ain't fair, you deserve much more appreciation.
@@deadtreb1509 it is what it is
Didn’t know about this .
We took our kids there and lay flowers at the base of the monument. Remember Goliad.
Love the videos but again, it is:
Refugio (rih-FYOOR-ee-oh)
The anglicized version is
Thanks, that's where my family is from.
I live in Courtland Alabama. Some of our men were with Fannin. Most were in the men killed in Goliad.
My Grandmothers great Uncle Ulrich Wuthrich survived all this. he wrote a letter home to Switzerland
Well done presentation. Too many "historical" accounts ingnore the details of how the events unfolded
Proud Georgian here.. it’s true, we support texas and will not surrender
hell yeah brother
They did surrender
@@pandookrb yeah after we got Mexicans confused for texans… don’t come around here point out facts now go on git
Unfortunately, this and other incidents led to hatred amongst some Anglos for all Mexicans. It led to a lot of bloodshed and discrimination.
And can you blame them? Santa Anna made his message clear as to how Mexico viewed them.
@@troybaxterUrrea was a million times that twink was
Fannin made so many mistakes, but the Texians fought well . No luck for Texians in this one. RIP.
Remember Goliad, Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas
dont wait to long to leave
You going to start covering the rest of ACW campaign in Maryland on Tuesday the 17th after next week? Love from the land of redcoats
have you checked my community tab?
My 5th great GF was one of the 28 who escaped the Goliad Massacre.
I lived in South Texas for a time. I have been to and through Goliad many times. I never fail to think about this incident each and every time I go through Goliad.....The un incorporated area south of Victoria of Fannin....Many times through Gonzales.....Even made it to San Jacinto on my honeymoon.
i finally got to visit Goliad during spring break, it was a cool place!
West Point seems to have graduated a whole lot of duds and scrubs since its early days. Fannin and Custer each managed to get their entire command wiped out. Recently Mark Milley presided over the disastrous and humiliating withdrawal from Afghanistan. In between there have been a ton of other losers that have cost the US dearly in men and materiel. Either West Point is not as great an institution as its prestige would indicate, or the Army's promotion process sucks at weeding out the feeble in judgement and character.
I dont think every single person who graduates from West Point is going to be a military genius. However, there are also plenty of guys who proved to be the best in their time.
@@WarhawkYT fair enough
The outcome of wars are solely in the leadership and logistics.
big time, leaders of armies and countries play a crucial war in a war's outcome
Thank you. I am enjoying this eries. I knew very little about the Texas war of Independance
Texas and its Independence? Texas did NOT fight for its Independence. These territories were stolen from Mexico by Pirates, with the support of the United States Gov't. It is difficult understand how Mr. Davy Crockett can be considered an "American Hero"... Well, may be cuz curiously, it turns out that ALL US Heroes are Criminals. (Is a Verifiable Fact that ALL US Heroes are "Bandits". Is a sad truth: Our country, the US, is a world military and economic power, but nevertheless, no US Citizen can be proud of this, cuz our Empire is the product of Piracy, Slavery, Genocide, Murder of Word Leaders, the Opium and Cocaine Trafficking. And the Weakness of other sovereign nations. We have "Grown" 711 the size of our territory from the original 13 colonies). Okay: Mr. Crockett was a Fur Trapper, Mercenary, Looter and Slaver. He was involved in the Dispossession, Robbery and Murder of the Native Nations of America. Particularly with the Cherokee, Shawnee, Creek, and Seminole Peoples. And it is precisely here that Mr. Crockett gains notoriety with his abuses. The Myth that Mr. Davy Crockett confronted Mr. Andrew Jackson for his "Intentions to take away territories from the Native Americans to concentrate them in Oklahoma", are False. Mr. Davy Crockett did NOT argue with Mr. Jackson. Quite the opposite. He supported him and the "Emigration" was carried out. Mr. Davy Crockett was a Barely Educated Fortune Seeker Adventurer who went all the way to Texas to Rob Property (as he had any real property of his own). In fact, all those who died at The Alamo were Pirates and Assassins. Mr. James "Jim" Bowie, for example, was a Mercenary who fled from southeastern Missouri to Louisiana, cuz the Law wanted him for a double murder. Mr. William Barret Travis, Mercenary, Slaver and Thief. Him, one day and without further ado, abandoned his pregnant wife; to his son and unborn daughter, to: "Start all over again, in Texas." He was also fleeing from the Law. Finally: Who died in The Alamo fought for the Independence of Texas? Independence? NOT! None of those who died at the Battle of The Alamo were originally from Texas. NO ONE! They were all newcomers. They were all from Kentucky, Pennsylvania, Mississippi, from Virginia, Carolina, Tennessee, etc. But not from Texas. All came to Texas cuz were promised 4,600 acres as soon as they won their war. Therefore, they were Pirates. For this to be understood, we make a comparison. Question: Is it Fair and Legal, that the Russians have declared the "Independence" of Donbas? Not! The Russians of Donbas can NOT declare "Independence" cuz they are NOT Ukrainians... They are Russians! Now: Is it Fair and Legal for Mr. Putin to Recognize and Annex the Donbas to Russia? Not! That's a Robbery. Well, this is exactly the same as what happened with Texas. The territory of Texas belonged to Mexico, and there was NO reason nor "Casus Belli" for citizens of Tennessee, Virginia, Kentucky, Carolina, etc. claim Territorial Rights. So which Independence? Why here, in US, the Pirates are Heroes?
There is a reenactment of the mascara bolier every year you can see the capture of them on Saturday then they do what's known as a ghost walk on Saturday night where you can see the lights of the Mexican officers and then on Sunday you can follow them to the massacre I have participated in this as a Mexican soldier and it is very surreal
i wonder why the mexican army performed so poorly throughtout this war and the mex-american war
Mexico never had the best army. The army was full of unreliable conscripts, bad morale, worthless weapons, and inexperienced officers
@@WarhawkYT
The Battle of La Angostura doesn't say the same until his best general Zachary Taylor was scared shitless by the dragon charge. And we prevented their advance to the north.
When I was in the military we had a 2nd lieutenant that was like Fannin. Very good knowledge of books but no practical application. He would have gotten us all killed. If we didn't take care of him first. No way I would have followed him into battle.
One of the Worst Military Commanders in History, Indecisive, should have been a soldier not a General
West Point not so great.
For real lol
Texan… not Texian
Texans were called Texians from 1834-1850, when Texas joined the US, they switched to Texans. Look up Texians on wikipedia.
When is your next civil war video?
And dude were they pissed when they counter attacked 4 days later. All their belongings destroyed the escapees from goliad and survivors elsewhere, dude, they were fuckin heated.
San Jacinto is actually a month and 4 days later. The Goliad massacre was March 27, San Jacinto was April 21
Shackleford probably was aware that many of the lancers were half native themselves, the sons of castizo settlers marrying native women.
There’s lots of evidence that Davy Crockett didn’t die at the Alamo
if there is, i havent seen any of it
Is it just me or the way he pronounce "URREA" just makes me giggle
you make me giggle
The "retched" Goliad is in TX😂
Remember goliad!
RIP Texas Patriots.
And this is why they showed no mercy to the women and children at San Jacinto. Honestly; makes my blood boil almost 200 years later.
Not to defend their actions, but Houston's troops' blood was up. So was the blood of Santa Anna's troops when storming the Alamo, considering what they did to many of the bodies of the Texan dead.
MAKE TEXAS A COUNTRY AGAIN
How do we know Fannin's last words if they were all wiped out? how do we know this is truth being that the ppl who lived only know what happened. For me its an example of the winner gets to wright the history. just like America being discovered by Colombus. We all know thats not true but my point is who told the story how it happened if they were all killed?
There were several survivors of the initial musket volleys who then ran like hell. Some escaped, but many did not. Some of the survivors left accounts, as did some of the Mexican officers.
I wish Texans viewed themselves as Americans. They have tons of heart. Unfortunately they always end up on the wrong side of history...which will never change.👎
Great Video, I lost an ancestor at Goliad.
And we stand and do nothing as we are invaded today
Westpoint ...cqnt decide which gender they are anymore. Things havent changed.
I don't blame Santa Anna for the executions, he was doing what every person who cares about his country would do against rebels. It's easy to blame him as a monster, when you remember the Americans later took Utah, California etc in the Mexican-American War (which I hope, you make a series).
I feel bad for Urrea, such a great commander but was overshadowed by Santa Anna's recklessness and stupidity. Had he been the overall commander, I think he'd defeat the Texians. He could have been the Scipio to Sam Houstin/Hannibal. Sad that he faded away in history for his lack of political power.
Idk man, we didn't need to execute our rebels in our own Civil War.
Santa Anna overthrew his own country's constitution to seize power, then committed heinous war crimes against any who objected.
I definitely do blame Santa Anna.
You enslaved your own people. Santa Anna didn't. @@FieldMarshalYT
Field marshal’s people fought against the slavers lol
@@FieldMarshalYT Idk man, maybe Santa Anna didn't steal half of your country
To the Mexicans that keep demanding for us to return to y'all, we will not because of this incident. We do not forget Goliad or the Alamo up here.
We want the land, not you.
After Santa Ana lost the and moved to New Jersey. He tried to sell an artificial rubber product that didn't work. So he added flavor and sugar to it 😂 and called it chewing gum. Yes Santa Ana lost the war and invented chewing gum and sold it in New Jersey.
You can move in square formation, what a trash commander.
Didn’t bother watching the whole video. What’s the difference between white Spanish and white Anglos and what you all have done through history other than just a fraction of what you all have done since arriving here illegally!
Get out of here with your misinformation "Austin's Colony was the first and largest Anglo-American settlement in Mexican Texas and was established by Stephen F. Austin in 1821. It was authorized by the Mexican government and allowed for the introduction of 300 families into Texas. Austin received permission to introduce an additional 1700 families into the colony between 1825 and 1831 under the terms of four colonization contracts made with the state of Coahuila and Texas under Mexican laws providing land for immigrants. By the time the colonial land offices were closed in 1835, almost 1,000 land titles had been issued in Austin's Colony." There is many historical accounts and records that prove that the Mexican government invited anglo settlers
You don’t get it, bonehead badger!
@@RafaelRuiz-r9hthank you for the comment it helps with the algorithm😊