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I'm curious to know what your opinion is of tweeter/mids speaker combos that have a passive crossover. I bought some a while back and they have been good, but thats my opinion and it keeps my set up simple.
I suggested a video ago that it would be cool if you explain in more depth adjusting input gain on a DSP before the amplifier... You told me you weren't going to waste a 10 minute video explaining something everyone knows... Now were back to videos explaining crossovers!? Is this something you believe your viewers need a 2nd video explaining crossovers?
I have a pioneer avh-x4800bs in network mode. Tweeters on front channel. Midrange on rear channel and subs on sub channel. Can I run the midrange on the FULL instead of HPF. As long as I have it crossover to the specification of the speaker. 155hz - 10khz
I really wish I could find a stereo installer thats as professional as what you guys show on this channel. Im blown away how many hack shops Ive encountered that dont go anywhere even close to this level of depth when installing stereos amps and subs. They always just slam the hardware together fiddle with the eq, generically set crossovers and they call that professional.
TheSynysterVyrus agreed on bluetooth. however, wireless CarPlay uses WiFi, so the audio is improved, or closer to the source. it’s convenient that I don’t always need the phone plugged in, however.
@@mcirone You mean to say that Wireless Carplay will play Hi-res lossless song without compressing the original quality when streaming from Apple Music App? I am searching this topic in many areas, but can’t find any solution
Hi Marc! Thanks for sharing your knowledge with others. I just want to add, that Pink Noise looks as flat line only if you using RTA Analyzers. If you use devices with true FFT, pink noise will roll off at higher frequencies. Because actually Pink Noise is a white noise with a 6 dB/Oct LPF applyed. It is important to know when using FFT analyzers
I recently got a head unit with pretty good crossover controls. I haven’t messed with the slope but it sounds a lot better with the filter accurately set than guessing with the amp knob
so to confirm, if I wanna use the LPF on my head unit, I turn the LPF on my AMP all the way up since it doesn’t have an “off” option? And for using the HPF on my head unit, I turn the HPF on the AMP all the way up as well?
@@_N4VE_ yes indeed. Otherwise both sets of filters will essentially "fight" each other so you want one set of them to be set to the maximum to allow all the frequencies through that they're receiving.
@@_N4VE_ yes, set both on the amp to the maximum if your headunit is doing the crossover work(max in this sense turns it "off"). Setting the amp to a lower setting when your headunit is already set to do that work will only make your amp work harder than it needs to and it can have an impact on sound quality. You'll be creating phase and signal degradation issues setting both sets of crossovers to the same settings.
@@Khans0120 so just to make sure I don’t misunderstand: LPF-Set AMP to Highest HZ value, Use head unit. HPF- Set AMP to Lowest Hz value, Use head unit. Correct?
Thanks for putting this together! I had been wondering this very thing, some of my systems with aftermarket HUs and amps I wondered whether the radio or amp was the best place to use the crossover!
I created a subsonic band pass using the LFE from the headunit and setting a low Hz HFE to the amp thats powering my subwoofers so I have dialed them quite well eliminating the super low Hz. Thanks for the video.
Cutoff slopes also tend to have a bump around the cut-off, depending on the filter design. Especially if you overlap those from the headunit and amplifier filters, you can get weird effects. Two filters chained doesn't always mean it filters harder.
I have noticed setting my low pass at 200hz with 24 slope this gave me the most full sound from subs. I would normally use 65 or 80hz with 8 slope but there is alot of bass lost when I lower the frequency below 125hz.
what kind of sub do you have? I have a pair of DS18 6.5 subs and they recommend a 160hz LPF. Which is pretty high. I run it with DS18 6x9s in the doors and they recommend a 120hz HPF. So I’m wondering how to set up my crossovers? Rn I have the sub LPF 150hz -24db slope, and the 6x9s HPF 150hz -24db. Not sure if that’s optimal, but I’m only just learning about tuning and saw that -24db is best for when you set your x-overs at the same hz.
Your videos always help me, this one especially. I just installed a double din with a 10 band equalizer, next will be subwoofers and an amp once I save up.
Just after 11 min mark you take about setting the crossover on the head unit and turning it down on the amp not all the way but some as an added protection incase something happens at the head unit. How much further away should the number be to work effectively? You have your head unit crossover set to 125 and the amp to 40, but what if you have it set to 80, do you keep it set to 40? Or will it effect the slop more?
Yes you want to set at low as possible so you have full range sound at the amp but you can make you cuts on the head unit but I’ve learned pick on other the other depending which one sound better I use the amp crossovers on bc it sounds better but it could also be bc they don’t have 80 on the audio control amp only 100 90 or 75 at 12db. The advantage of using the head unit is that it has the ability to adjust the slope
hello I am from Mexico and there is no doubt that I am learning more and more with your videos, I am about to change my factory unit of a Honda Civic 2013 for a Pioneer DMH-A5450BT and my doubt was how to configure the frequency cuts in my Hertz media set in the stereo or amplifier jl audio JD400/4 audio but my doubt was clearer, I'll keep watching your videos, greetings
Thanks for this video, very useful info despite I already knew a lot :) we always keep learning! My system uses a head unit with built in DSP and active crossover settings (Kenwood KIV-700), seperate amp for subwoofer (Raveland) and seperate 4-channel amp (DLS) for the speakers (DLS). The speakers itself in both front and rear uses their own passive pre-set crossover filters because they were a complete set. It works great, but after 15+ years of use I finally came across these video's and now I want find out if I can improve the crossover and gain settings :)
I just ended to build my new system. I mixed Head unit + amp crossovers because of multiple active amplification. Head unit: *Front, Hpf 80 Hz *rear, Hpf 80 Hz *Sub, Lpf 80 Hz Amp A: * Front tweeter, Hpf 4500 hz * Front medium, Band pass 200 Hz - 4500 Hz * Sub, Full pass ( I should protect more by using the Lpf with a little bit higher value to be safer) Amp B: * Front woofer, Lpf 200 Hz * Rear coax, Full pass I mixed because my Amp B is only able to filter with Lpf's, and because I use 6 channels from 2 different amps to amplify the Front 3 ways kit, thanks to just one Front RCA cable out of head unit and a pre in-out between amps to by pass the original front signal. Finally, I built a 9 channels system without external dsp (Cost compromise...). I can't align independentely each speaker, But I align per group FL, FR, RL, RR and Sub from Head unit's dsp.
Does using two xovers mess with phase? As you know, the 6db/8ª slope rotates the phase in 90 degrees. 12db/8ª - 180 degrees. 24db/8ª - 360 degrees, which doesn't matter. And it goes on and on and on...
I recently just put a new pioneer avh-2550nex. Alpine amp Kicker 10' gonna go tune it tomorrow in a secluded area. really pump it out !!! Thanks for the Video
Do you have any videos or could you make any videos on subwoofer systems that have boxes that lay down subwoofer side facing the bottom of the trunk, (the enclosure that you can put stuff on) and how that affects the “air space” everyone talks about
Dear sir help us we fit our Sony Hi-res XS-162ES 2WAY Component Speaker 🔊 SX-160ES 2way Coaxial Speaker 🔊 and XM-GS4 4 channel Stereo Amplifier.. and XS-AW8 20 cm under seat Subwoofer. Bud sound quality is not good and explain how to set amplifier satting
So my head unit is limited to 3 low pass filters, 80, 100 and 120hz @ 8dB, i can’t turn it off. If i was to use the low pass on the amp too, (80hz @ 12dB) would it become a 20dB slope?
Good info. I use Mosconi 6to8 dsp, but have the amp crossover set up as a fail safe. I have Focal K2 three way components, set up active, so the added protection is important
Question, so my alpine unit doesn’t let me turn off the crossover for low pass, so as for my amp for my sub, should I turn its crossover up as far as it will go to effectively turn its crossover off there?
I would like the equivalent of the EQS in a in dash version, I need 6ch inputs and equivalent on each channel, what do you recommend? audio control won't make me one 😤!
Cannon thanks for your rich explanations. Kindly advise, I have in my car a a mono block dedicated to the sub and another 6 channel amp dedicated to all other midrange and tweeters and lastly a an equalizer.I however do not still appreciate 20-30hz wavy/ air bass, can adding an aftermarket crossover cancel off the punchy bass and give me only the wavy bass of 20-30hz to the sub. (All equipment and speakers I have are from pioneer high end)
Great video, actually been on my mind for a while. Next to things I’m curious about is A)should I adjust my gain or crossover first? B)how to adjust time alignment on my head unit?
Does that door speaker equalizer only available for the speaker out in headunit [ means 15W×4 mode] or for RCA jack line out for front and rear door speakers?? Please explain??
Sometimes a passive crossover is just better. its kind of hard to find the exact caps and coils and you can't adjust it, but it's safer. If I do use an active crossover, I've always just used both the amp and head unit in tandem, setting both to the same frequency at 12Db per octave on the amp high pass and 6db on the head unit to essentially get an 18Db per octave curve (third order passive crossover equivalent).
So quick question.. with a speaker like a 6x9 or 6.5 mid with built in tweater...they only have 2 terminals so that means I'm only adjusting there frequency as a unit and not individually ? I'm a little lost on that.. like I'm setting my eq for better lows for my mid is that also giving the built in tweater more lows?
I use the crossovers on the DM-810 as I can see the crossover points clearly and I can use the EQ to flatten them as well. I don't use my sub sonic crossover as the DM-810 only goes down to 25Hz but I'v set it up with a 24dB roll-off for good measure.
@@gregcarranza6547 I just set it at max on the amp and let the dsp takeover. For example, if your amp has a 20-200hz range, set it at 200 and use the filters from the dsp.
If I'm using a 3-way electronic crossover for my two sets of 3 way door speakers and a sub, do I still need to set the crossovers on both amps or do I leave the amps un-adjusted (all settings lowest) and simply use the settings on the crossover or do I need to blend the settings (freq & gain) on all three devices?
I have a 05 Sierra Ext SLE with a 8.1 Oreo Android head unit and recently connected my subs RCA's to my speaker wires via splicing into them, my problem is that 1.) I can't adjust my subwoofer equalizer on my head unit and 2.) I don't know if the equalizer settings on my head unit for my crossovers is a high or low crossover
What is a general rule of thumb, for pairing a 4 channel amp, lets say 100 watts RMS per channel, what would be the watts for the the subwoofer. The goal is to have a balanced system from 20hz to 20,000hz, not crazy volume. It gets as loud as I'm comfortable.
So, if I used passive crossover in my components speakers. I have to add 12 db (from the crossover) to the stereo crossover set up? I have a Pioneer wt3800nex unit. By the way Great Videos!!
Is it important for me to change the company fitted head unit cuz i got a high-end sound system installed in my car and my friend tells me to upgrade the head unit and i dont want to waste any unnecessary money. i would like some help ty :)
Mubaashir ulMulk if it’s a stock HU, I highly recommend it. Look at preamp voltage, eq capacity, and dedicated speaker/woofer outputs. If the installation already replaced your HU, and you like the sound, you’re set. I have the same pioneer HU he was using and it’s amazing! Highly recommended product. Much crisper sounds and tons of built in tools to really get your system singing!
If it already sounds good TO YOU with the company fitted head unit then it’s most likely a waste of money just so it “sounds better” to your friend. It’s not your friends car, it’s YOUR car. Now, if you are interested in diving into audio tuning in general or you actually enjoy hearing the subtle differences between instruments/sounds/locations and want to be able to adjust individual settings to your exact liking, then an upgraded head unit may actually be worth it. Company fitted head units do not offer much in the terms of sound customization. Sure, you may be able to adjust a few things but your control is usually severely limited AND most company fitted head units have weird EQ curves (that you can’t change) that change depending on how loud the signal is. Usually meaning that the louder your volume, the lower the bass (to protect company installed speakers from being damaged from loud playback). There’s two positions you can be in here. Position 1) You just want to play music and have it sound good with the least amount of user input so you don’t have to go messing around with multiple in-depth settings to achieve the sound you want. Like I said above, if your current company installed head unit already sounds good TO YOU, you don’t have to do anything more and you can stop reading and just go enjoy your music. Position 2) You want your aftermarket speakers to sound the absolute best they can. That’s usually why people get into aftermarket car audio to begin with. They want better sound quality. A bonus to doing this, if you also get an aftermarket head unit, is that you are now allowed to adjust the signal going to the speaker and the sound coming out of them. In 2020, a new aftermarket head unit is pretty much a dash mounted DSP (digital signal processor) giving you control over how your system performs and sounds. If you want to change settings to get the “perfect” sound then an aftermarket head unit is a good idea. Also, depending on your components (speakers, amps, wire quality, etc.), being able to control the signal path may help protect certain other components in that signal path from being over/under powered, help with frequency interference (crossover control), and help to deliver an all around cleaner signal and power path. Again, if your current system is installed properly and YOU enjoy how it sounds, an aftermarket head unit may be a waste of money. However, If care about pushing your system safely to its highest potential, then an aftermarket head unit might just be the thing your system has been missing and you don’t even know it because you haven’t heard your system with an aftermarket head unit yet. I don’t want to make your decisions for you but if it were me, I’d choose control over convenience when it comes to audio. Meaning, if I had aftermarket speakers/subs/amps I wouldn’t hesitate to also get an aftermarket head unit. IF you can afford to upgrade units and YOU WANT to, go for it man. If not, keep enjoying what you have.
I have a quick question that I hope you could help me out with, I've tried searching online forums as well as some DSP tutorials but haven't found a solid answer to my question. It's my first time going active and my question is in relation to tweeter channels on an active setup, as far as the "tweeter channel level" goes within the dsp software. What I'm trying to get at is that as we all know a tweeter doesn't require much power, say its a 4ohm tweet rated for 25w for example so how would you go about "dialing back" the power to a safe level on the "tweeter channel levels"? Within my dsp software its -60db to 0db level control per channel, and assuming that since +3db is doubling while -3db is halving power I would be adjusting in increments of -3db? So for example say my amp makes 150watts at 4ohm by setting the "tweeter channel level" at -9db it'll bring it down hypothetically 18.75w? I really don't want to smoke my expensive tweeters, I think I got a general understanding of "+/-3db" on some passive x-overs. But if you could shed some light as far as me heading in the right direction that would be great as well. Enjoy your informational videos btw! Keep it up!
Thanks for taking the time to explain these crossovers. What happens when you have crossovers in your speakers too? I just picked up a set of Hertz Mille Legends 165.3's. I have crossovers on my JL Audio HD900/5 amp, and the Kenwood Head Unit DMX 907s is where Im doing most my crossover work. I've set the amp to 50hz 12db slope, head unit to 80hz 24db slope. The highs are 80hz 24 at the head unit, and 60hz 12 db at the amp. Then those huge speaker crossovers..... What do I do with those, they are spendy speakers and I don't want to do any damage. Any ideas?
Set the crossovers on the head unit to 100 hz (both the lpf and hpf). On the amp turn them off if possible or set the hpf to the lowest setting and the lpf to its highest setting. The passive crossovers that come with your speakers are doing something else. They’re filtering the door speakers from the tweeter. Those don’t have adjustments and are just wired according to the instruction manual.
So if you said not to have the head unit and amp at the same value due to the slopes, if I'm using the head unit crossover ans say I set my LP at 80 with a 24db slope, What do I set the amp LP at?
If you could, I know you are talking about crossovers, but I have a question about the head unit. I have a Pioneer AVH-2400NEX, I can't see the model #of the unit that you have, but I mostly had played all my video on DVD, but when I switched to digital media files, I noticed that my unit would play the video just fine, but I would get NO audio whatsoever. I have tried all different types, WMV, MPEG, AVI... all types that this unit is supposed to support. I have the latest firmware updated, but still no luck. Also can't get any answers from Pioneer customer service. Just wondered if you had tried video files on this unit, or have heard of this problem on Pioneer units. Thanks in advance.
I have infinity 2 way speakers up front. Unfortunately I just hooked them up to my amp and its way to much power for them more than double. Gain is set with oscope would I adjust the power with the gain? And do I set 2 ways to full range or hpf?
Hello, which the cheapest head unit has that many audio settings as in your video? Please send me some recommendations. Might be Pioneer or anything else that is good for audio settings and output. Thank you very much.
I have the same head unit you use in this video, and I have a Chevy Silverado 2003 that came with Bose speakers, I have a 2500w planet audio mono amp and 2 12" power acoustic subs from Walmart. What should I set me head unit crossovers to? Please help
Quick question my man if I have 15inch sub than can range up to 100 hz in a 40 hz ported box . Would I set my lpf above its tuning range or below it??🤦🏾♂️🙏🏽
Great video, thanks! My pioneer ts a2013i speaker frequency is 25-28.000. That means that if i set my high pass filter at 31.5 khz with 12db slope is ok?
How do component speaker crossovers play into all of this? Are component speaker crossovers kind of a moot point? I just purchased some Memphis Audio VIV60C component speakers and I need to learn more about these component speaker crossovers. They have a 12db and 24b toggle switch and I heard somewhere that feature can help with an off axis placement. So much to learn! But I am curious how component crossovers play into this equation you are discussing.
Can someone help me out? Im thinking about getting the Morel Hybrid 602 2 way component speakers which comes with the MXR240.3 passive crossover. Should i still use the crossover on my headunit (Alpine UTE-92BT, currently set to 80hz with 12db slope) as i do today or should i set them to flat and let the passive crossover handle it? Or should i use both..?
Did u ever get an answer to this? I have the morel tempo ultra wit the crossover and tweeters that came with them and I actually have been using my pioneer hu to set my hpf
I have a Benz, C230 Kompressor Coupe... What can I do with all that sadly produced 80's rock on my playlist given that I only have 3 speakers (dash, doors) and a Diamond 12 ported sub in back? I don't have an amp for my new headunit just the sub. I want just enough to Rush's Best Of from the rear seat are. Are crossovers necessary to hear YYZ as it was meant to be heard?
Hi Mr. Mark, I have a quick question if you do mind me asking. I purchase the Taramps TS-400X4, I know is a very cheap amp, but is for my daughter first car, my question is Could I connect one speaker on a bridge on ch1/2 and a second speaker on just ch1 on the same bridge side, I am trying to maximize the RMS on at least one speaker.
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Thank you for watching!
I'm curious to know what your opinion is of tweeter/mids speaker combos that have a passive crossover. I bought some a while back and they have been good, but thats my opinion and it keeps my set up simple.
I suggested a video ago that it would be cool if you explain in more depth adjusting input gain on a DSP before the amplifier... You told me you weren't going to waste a 10 minute video explaining something everyone knows... Now were back to videos explaining crossovers!? Is this something you believe your viewers need a 2nd video explaining crossovers?
I have a pioneer avh-x4800bs in network mode. Tweeters on front channel. Midrange on rear channel and subs on sub channel.
Can I run the midrange on the FULL instead of HPF. As long as I have it crossover to the specification of the speaker. 155hz - 10khz
I really wish I could find a stereo installer thats as professional as what you guys show on this channel. Im blown away how many hack shops Ive encountered that dont go anywhere even close to this level of depth when installing stereos amps and subs. They always just slam the hardware together fiddle with the eq, generically set crossovers and they call that professional.
same
Beautifully explained. I was able to build a killer set that took me almost a month with your knowledge and it's mind blowing. Thanks for all you do
This is super helpful. Just installed a new subwoofer, speakers and wireless CarPlay head unit on my FJ cruiser. Thanks!
FYI wireless is terrible audio. Compare the same song on CD and Bluetooth, it’s night and day difference.
TheSynysterVyrus agreed on bluetooth. however, wireless CarPlay uses WiFi, so the audio is improved, or closer to the source. it’s convenient that I don’t always need the phone plugged in, however.
@@mcirone You mean to say that Wireless Carplay will play Hi-res lossless song without compressing the original quality when streaming from Apple Music App?
I am searching this topic in many areas, but can’t find any solution
Nah it can’t. Needs a DAC that’s capable plus wired connection via usb3 apple camera adapter
I like the radio controls, a lot easier to adjust while listening in real time. Back up settings on amp is good insurance too. Good info.
Can you do a active vs passive video and how to set that up as well? Would love to see if I've been doing it correctly all these years.
Hi Marc! Thanks for sharing your knowledge with others. I just want to add, that Pink Noise looks as flat line only if you using RTA Analyzers. If you use devices with true FFT, pink noise will roll off at higher frequencies. Because actually Pink Noise is a white noise with a 6 dB/Oct LPF applyed. It is important to know when using FFT analyzers
I recently got a head unit with pretty good crossover controls. I haven’t messed with the slope but it sounds a lot better with the filter accurately set than guessing with the amp knob
so to confirm, if I wanna use the LPF on my head unit, I turn the LPF on my AMP all the way up since it doesn’t have an “off” option? And for using the HPF on my head unit, I turn the HPF on the AMP all the way up as well?
@@_N4VE_ yes indeed. Otherwise both sets of filters will essentially "fight" each other so you want one set of them to be set to the maximum to allow all the frequencies through that they're receiving.
@@Khans0120 so for HPF I set it to max as well? because in the video he had it set to the lowest correct?
@@_N4VE_ yes, set both on the amp to the maximum if your headunit is doing the crossover work(max in this sense turns it "off"). Setting the amp to a lower setting when your headunit is already set to do that work will only make your amp work harder than it needs to and it can have an impact on sound quality. You'll be creating phase and signal degradation issues setting both sets of crossovers to the same settings.
@@Khans0120 so just to make sure I don’t misunderstand:
LPF-Set AMP to Highest HZ value, Use head unit.
HPF- Set AMP to Lowest Hz value, Use head unit.
Correct?
Thanks for putting this together! I had been wondering this very thing, some of my systems with aftermarket HUs and amps I wondered whether the radio or amp was the best place to use the crossover!
This will definitely help some people out! Excellent video as always.
I created a subsonic band pass using the LFE from the headunit and setting a low Hz HFE to the amp thats powering my subwoofers so I have dialed them quite well eliminating the super low Hz.
Thanks for the video.
Cutoff slopes also tend to have a bump around the cut-off, depending on the filter design. Especially if you overlap those from the headunit and amplifier filters, you can get weird effects. Two filters chained doesn't always mean it filters harder.
Yeah I learned that when tuning my subwoofer I used the amps crossover and then the headunits
I have noticed setting my low pass at 200hz with 24 slope this gave me the most full sound from subs. I would normally use 65 or 80hz with 8 slope but there is alot of bass lost when I lower the frequency below 125hz.
what kind of sub do you have? I have a pair of DS18 6.5 subs and they recommend a 160hz LPF. Which is pretty high. I run it with DS18 6x9s in the doors and they recommend a 120hz HPF. So I’m wondering how to set up my crossovers? Rn I have the sub LPF 150hz -24db slope, and the 6x9s HPF 150hz -24db. Not sure if that’s optimal, but I’m only just learning about tuning and saw that -24db is best for when you set your x-overs at the same hz.
Your videos always help me, this one especially. I just installed a double din with a 10 band equalizer, next will be subwoofers and an amp once I save up.
Glad I splurged and bought a Pioneer AVH-601EX. Love this unit.
Michael Zernie me frickin too! Thing is boss!
Please can u elaborate why it's good. I couldn't understand reading the specs.
Yea me to but I got the pioneer 4500nex and love it
Avh1550 nex . Can’t wait to optimize
Those units looks so cool, but the only reason I still go with single din is the big volume knob, I don’t know if I could live without it haha
I’ve watched this a few times. I need a class in cross overs.
Learn something new with every one of your videos.
You really know what you're talking about, unlike many others on youtube, nice video!
Wow! Fantastic explanation. Im about to install a subwoofer in my vw golf. Now I know what all these buttons and knobs do. Thanks.
Just after 11 min mark you take about setting the crossover on the head unit and turning it down on the amp not all the way but some as an added protection incase something happens at the head unit. How much further away should the number be to work effectively? You have your head unit crossover set to 125 and the amp to 40, but what if you have it set to 80, do you keep it set to 40? Or will it effect the slop more?
Yes you want to set at low as possible so you have full range sound at the amp but you can make you cuts on the head unit but I’ve learned pick on other the other depending which one sound better I use the amp crossovers on bc it sounds better but it could also be bc they don’t have 80 on the audio control amp only 100 90 or 75 at 12db. The advantage of using the head unit is that it has the ability to adjust the slope
hello I am from Mexico and there is no doubt that I am learning more and more with your videos, I am about to change my factory unit of a Honda Civic 2013 for a Pioneer DMH-A5450BT and my doubt was how to configure the frequency cuts in my Hertz media set in the stereo or amplifier jl audio JD400/4 audio but my doubt was clearer, I'll keep watching your videos, greetings
12:30 but Pioneer head units do have a 3-way mode with a band pass crossover.
Thanks for this video, very useful info despite I already knew a lot :) we always keep learning!
My system uses a head unit with built in DSP and active crossover settings (Kenwood KIV-700), seperate amp for subwoofer (Raveland) and seperate 4-channel amp (DLS) for the speakers (DLS). The speakers itself in both front and rear uses their own passive pre-set crossover filters because they were a complete set. It works great, but after 15+ years of use I finally came across these video's and now I want find out if I can improve the crossover and gain settings :)
great video mark
was waiting for a clear video about crossover on amp or head unit since long time
glad you made one
keep it up
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Great stuff. I already knew most of this stuff but wasn't really sure if I should tune on the head unit or amp or both
I just ended to build my new system.
I mixed Head unit + amp crossovers because of multiple active amplification.
Head unit:
*Front, Hpf 80 Hz
*rear, Hpf 80 Hz
*Sub, Lpf 80 Hz
Amp A:
* Front tweeter, Hpf 4500 hz
* Front medium, Band pass 200 Hz - 4500 Hz
* Sub, Full pass ( I should protect more by using the Lpf with a little bit higher value to be safer)
Amp B:
* Front woofer, Lpf 200 Hz
* Rear coax, Full pass
I mixed because my Amp B is only able to filter with Lpf's, and because I use 6 channels from 2 different amps to amplify the Front 3 ways kit, thanks to just one Front RCA cable out of head unit and a pre in-out between amps to by pass the original front signal.
Finally, I built a 9 channels system without external dsp (Cost compromise...). I can't align independentely each speaker, But I align per group FL, FR, RL, RR and Sub from Head unit's dsp.
Gr8 tutorial video... That's a Gr8 Pioneer double din TV radio... Has awesome features and EQ settings...
Does using two xovers mess with phase?
As you know, the 6db/8ª slope rotates the phase in 90 degrees. 12db/8ª - 180 degrees. 24db/8ª - 360 degrees, which doesn't matter. And it goes on and on and on...
4 years later helping us out 🙏
This is why I bought the pioneer 80 prs. Great crossovers.
I recently just put a new pioneer avh-2550nex. Alpine amp Kicker 10' gonna go tune it tomorrow in a secluded area. really pump it out !!! Thanks for the Video
Ohhh, I love how mark changed his focal component set out😂
I specifically said when building the boom box I would be using it to test speakers, hence the easily swappable adapter plates. 👍
CarAudioFabrication I remember you saying that clearly in the video . But they look absolutely awesome !
Do you have any videos or could you make any videos on subwoofer systems that have boxes that lay down subwoofer side facing the bottom of the trunk, (the enclosure that you can put stuff on) and how that affects the “air space” everyone talks about
New subscriber here. Great stuff Mark. Watched a lot of your vids but catching up. Hands down best car audio channel I’ve seen.
Dear sir help us we fit our Sony Hi-res XS-162ES 2WAY Component Speaker 🔊 SX-160ES 2way Coaxial Speaker 🔊 and XM-GS4 4 channel Stereo Amplifier.. and XS-AW8 20 cm under seat Subwoofer. Bud sound quality is not good and explain how to set amplifier satting
EXACTLY what I was looking for!!
Where would the best place to mount a external crossover for components? Closer to the speakers or would trunk mount be ok?
So my head unit is limited to 3 low pass filters, 80, 100 and 120hz @ 8dB, i can’t turn it off. If i was to use the low pass on the amp too, (80hz @ 12dB) would it become a 20dB slope?
Yes
Phil Moore thanks, got it 👍
Pure gold.. Keep up the good work my man!
I dig your videos man. So informative and clear.
What if I'm using a passive crossover for a component system, how should I set the crossover on the amp or headunit?
That's exactly what I wanna know
So if I’m using LPF on head unit, would I set amp for subwoofer on FULL RANGE or on LPF with dial maxed?
Yes
Good info. I use Mosconi 6to8 dsp, but have the amp crossover set up as a fail safe. I have Focal K2 three way components, set up active, so the added protection is important
Great video I was waiting forever for this.
Question, so my alpine unit doesn’t let me turn off the crossover for low pass, so as for my amp for my sub, should I turn its crossover up as far as it will go to effectively turn its crossover off there?
Is that a guitar pick to adjust the amp 🤔 omg im so doing that now
Is it possible to use the HPF in the head unit and the LPF in the amplifier in order to get a bandpass for mids?
Hey,
How about when we use a Smd CC1 on the amplifiers? Should we just turn off the setting on the HU ?
I would like the equivalent of the EQS in a in dash version, I need 6ch inputs and equivalent on each channel, what do you recommend? audio control won't make me one 😤!
Yeah I use both so it will filter from the HU the filter at the amp then hit the speakers.
Always knowledgeable Mark!
Cannon thanks for your rich explanations. Kindly advise, I have in my car a a mono block dedicated to the sub and another 6 channel amp dedicated to all other midrange and tweeters and lastly a an equalizer.I however do not still appreciate 20-30hz wavy/ air bass, can adding an aftermarket crossover cancel off the punchy bass and give me only the wavy bass of 20-30hz to the sub. (All equipment and speakers I have are from pioneer high end)
Head unit has only high-pass, amp has a hi-low-off switch for the pass. Can I use both to attain a bandpass(with amp switch set to low-pass)?
Yes you should be able to do that.
Well done Mark!
Finally a video like this 👍🏽
Great video, actually been on my mind for a while. Next to things I’m curious about is A)should I adjust my gain or crossover first? B)how to adjust time alignment on my head unit?
Set crossovers to through then do the gains ..after that Crossover adjustment has headroom
What if you just have a pre amp? Can you show how to tune a pre amp please
Does that door speaker equalizer only available for the speaker out in headunit [ means 15W×4 mode] or for RCA jack line out for front and rear door speakers?? Please explain??
Thanks! One question- active or passive? Choose your style. Cheers!
So if i just use my headunit to set crossover and my slope do i set my amp to flat and not use hp or lp
Watch the video
Sometimes a passive crossover is just better. its kind of hard to find the exact caps and coils and you can't adjust it, but it's safer. If I do use an active crossover, I've always just used both the amp and head unit in tandem, setting both to the same frequency at 12Db per octave on the amp high pass and 6db on the head unit to essentially get an 18Db per octave curve (third order passive crossover equivalent).
So you are saying I should have the crossover lower on the amp vs the head unit?
What about component speakers, when the tweeter is on the same channel as the mid bass, with inline crossover?
So quick question.. with a speaker like a 6x9 or 6.5 mid with built in tweater...they only have 2 terminals so that means I'm only adjusting there frequency as a unit and not individually ? I'm a little lost on that.. like I'm setting my eq for better lows for my mid is that also giving the built in tweater more lows?
Thanks for this you answered my question from the crossover video!
I literally googled this yesterday
Google/Apple/Facebook are always listening 😬
I use the crossovers on the DM-810 as I can see the crossover points clearly and I can use the EQ to flatten them as well. I don't use my sub sonic crossover as the DM-810 only goes down to 25Hz but I'v set it up with a 24dB roll-off for good measure.
How do you set the Lpf filter on amp while using Dm-810?
@@gregcarranza6547 I just set it at max on the amp and let the dsp takeover. For example, if your amp has a 20-200hz range, set it at 200 and use the filters from the dsp.
So can you install a crossover for your highs & mids without installing amp?
So with a 5 channel amp would you recommend using the head unit high level out to power the tweeters or the front amp channels?
What does it mean if my crossover makes my speakers screech then it turns off does mean it broke, because the wiring is okay.?
If I'm using a 3-way electronic crossover for my two sets of 3 way door speakers and a sub, do I still need to set the crossovers on both amps or do I leave the amps un-adjusted (all settings lowest) and simply use the settings on the crossover or do I need to blend the settings (freq & gain) on all three devices?
I have a 05 Sierra Ext SLE with a 8.1 Oreo Android head unit and recently connected my subs RCA's to my speaker wires via splicing into them, my problem is that 1.) I can't adjust my subwoofer equalizer on my head unit and 2.) I don't know if the equalizer settings on my head unit for my crossovers is a high or low crossover
What is a general rule of thumb, for pairing a 4 channel amp, lets say 100 watts RMS per channel, what would be the watts for the the subwoofer. The goal is to have a balanced system from 20hz to 20,000hz, not crazy volume. It gets as loud as I'm comfortable.
So, if I used passive crossover in my components speakers. I have to add 12 db (from the crossover) to the stereo crossover set up? I have a Pioneer wt3800nex unit.
By the way Great Videos!!
Is it important for me to change the company fitted head unit cuz i got a high-end sound system installed in my car and my friend tells me to upgrade the head unit and i dont want to waste any unnecessary money. i would like some help ty :)
Mubaashir ulMulk if it’s a stock HU, I highly recommend it. Look at preamp voltage, eq capacity, and dedicated speaker/woofer outputs. If the installation already replaced your HU, and you like the sound, you’re set. I have the same pioneer HU he was using and it’s amazing! Highly recommended product. Much crisper sounds and tons of built in tools to really get your system singing!
For a high end aftermarket system an aftermarket head unit is best for sound quality and control.
If it already sounds good TO YOU with the company fitted head unit then it’s most likely a waste of money just so it “sounds better” to your friend. It’s not your friends car, it’s YOUR car. Now, if you are interested in diving into audio tuning in general or you actually enjoy hearing the subtle differences between instruments/sounds/locations and want to be able to adjust individual settings to your exact liking, then an upgraded head unit may actually be worth it. Company fitted head units do not offer much in the terms of sound customization. Sure, you may be able to adjust a few things but your control is usually severely limited AND most company fitted head units have weird EQ curves (that you can’t change) that change depending on how loud the signal is. Usually meaning that the louder your volume, the lower the bass (to protect company installed speakers from being damaged from loud playback).
There’s two positions you can be in here. Position 1) You just want to play music and have it sound good with the least amount of user input so you don’t have to go messing around with multiple in-depth settings to achieve the sound you want. Like I said above, if your current company installed head unit already sounds good TO YOU, you don’t have to do anything more and you can stop reading and just go enjoy your music. Position 2) You want your aftermarket speakers to sound the absolute best they can. That’s usually why people get into aftermarket car audio to begin with. They want better sound quality. A bonus to doing this, if you also get an aftermarket head unit, is that you are now allowed to adjust the signal going to the speaker and the sound coming out of them. In 2020, a new aftermarket head unit is pretty much a dash mounted DSP (digital signal processor) giving you control over how your system performs and sounds. If you want to change settings to get the “perfect” sound then an aftermarket head unit is a good idea. Also, depending on your components (speakers, amps, wire quality, etc.), being able to control the signal path may help protect certain other components in that signal path from being over/under powered, help with frequency interference (crossover control), and help to deliver an all around cleaner signal and power path.
Again, if your current system is installed properly and YOU enjoy how it sounds, an aftermarket head unit may be a waste of money. However, If care about pushing your system safely to its highest potential, then an aftermarket head unit might just be the thing your system has been missing and you don’t even know it because you haven’t heard your system with an aftermarket head unit yet.
I don’t want to make your decisions for you but if it were me, I’d choose control over convenience when it comes to audio. Meaning, if I had aftermarket speakers/subs/amps I wouldn’t hesitate to also get an aftermarket head unit. IF you can afford to upgrade units and YOU WANT to, go for it man. If not, keep enjoying what you have.
What type of crossover would you use on a regular coaxial speaker, 2way 6x8 with 100rms going to it? Thank you for any help!
I have a quick question that I hope you could help me out with, I've tried searching online forums as well as some DSP tutorials but haven't found a solid answer to my question. It's my first time going active and my question is in relation to tweeter channels on an active setup, as far as the "tweeter channel level" goes within the dsp software. What I'm trying to get at is that as we all know a tweeter doesn't require much power, say its a 4ohm tweet rated for 25w for example so how would you go about "dialing back" the power to a safe level on the "tweeter channel levels"? Within my dsp software its -60db to 0db level control per channel, and assuming that since +3db is doubling while -3db is halving power I would be adjusting in increments of -3db? So for example say my amp makes 150watts at 4ohm by setting the "tweeter channel level" at -9db it'll bring it down hypothetically 18.75w? I really don't want to smoke my expensive tweeters, I think I got a general understanding of "+/-3db" on some passive x-overs. But if you could shed some light as far as me heading in the right direction that would be great as well. Enjoy your informational videos btw! Keep it up!
Great Video!
Great video, very useful information, thanks a lot Mark.... 👊🏽😎
Thanks for taking the time to explain these crossovers. What happens when you have crossovers in your speakers too? I just picked up a set of Hertz Mille Legends 165.3's. I have crossovers on my JL Audio HD900/5 amp, and the Kenwood Head Unit DMX 907s is where Im doing most my crossover work. I've set the amp to 50hz 12db slope, head unit to 80hz 24db slope. The highs are 80hz 24 at the head unit, and 60hz 12 db at the amp. Then those huge speaker crossovers..... What do I do with those, they are spendy speakers and I don't want to do any damage. Any ideas?
this is the question i came here looking for answers to as well. off to keep searching........
Set the crossovers on the head unit to 100 hz (both the lpf and hpf). On the amp turn them off if possible or set the hpf to the lowest setting and the lpf to its highest setting.
The passive crossovers that come with your speakers are doing something else. They’re filtering the door speakers from the tweeter. Those don’t have adjustments and are just wired according to the instruction manual.
What about the effects of a inline crossover, effecting the heading crossover?
So if you said not to have the head unit and amp at the same value due to the slopes, if I'm using the head unit crossover ans say I set my LP at 80 with a 24db slope, What do I set the amp LP at?
If you could, I know you are talking about crossovers, but I have a question about the head unit. I have a Pioneer AVH-2400NEX, I can't see the model #of the unit that you have, but I mostly had played all my video on DVD, but when I switched to digital media files, I noticed that my unit would play the video just fine, but I would get NO audio whatsoever. I have tried all different types, WMV, MPEG, AVI... all types that this unit is supposed to support. I have the latest firmware updated, but still no luck. Also can't get any answers from Pioneer customer service. Just wondered if you had tried video files on this unit, or have heard of this problem on Pioneer units. Thanks in advance.
How to optimize the listening experience for more seated positions in car ?
I have infinity 2 way speakers up front. Unfortunately I just hooked them up to my amp and its way to much power for them more than double. Gain is set with oscope would I adjust the power with the gain? And do I set 2 ways to full range or hpf?
Hello, which the cheapest head unit has that many audio settings as in your video? Please send me some recommendations. Might be Pioneer or anything else that is good for audio settings and output. Thank you very much.
I have the same head unit you use in this video, and I have a Chevy Silverado 2003 that came with Bose speakers, I have a 2500w planet audio mono amp and 2 12" power acoustic subs from Walmart. What should I set me head unit crossovers to? Please help
So I got a new single dim headunit for my car. But it won't fit all the way in. I have a feeling its because of the wires any tips?
Quick question my man if I have 15inch sub than can range up to 100 hz in a 40 hz ported box . Would I set my lpf above its tuning range or below it??🤦🏾♂️🙏🏽
Great video, thanks! My pioneer ts a2013i speaker frequency is 25-28.000. That means that if i set my high pass filter at 31.5 khz with 12db slope is ok?
How do component speaker crossovers play into all of this? Are component speaker crossovers kind of a moot point? I just purchased some Memphis Audio VIV60C component speakers and I need to learn more about these component speaker crossovers. They have a 12db and 24b toggle switch and I heard somewhere that feature can help with an off axis placement. So much to learn! But I am curious how component crossovers play into this equation you are discussing.
This may give some more insight: th-cam.com/video/16odoySgp-I/w-d-xo.html
Can someone help me out? Im thinking about getting the Morel Hybrid 602 2 way component speakers which comes with the MXR240.3 passive crossover. Should i still use the crossover on my headunit (Alpine UTE-92BT, currently set to 80hz with 12db slope) as i do today or should i set them to flat and let the passive crossover handle it? Or should i use both..?
Did u ever get an answer to this? I have the morel tempo ultra wit the crossover and tweeters that came with them and I actually have been using my pioneer hu to set my hpf
@@NightmareonAnyStreet_ Yes, set it on the HU!:)
I have a Benz, C230 Kompressor Coupe... What can I do with all that sadly produced 80's rock on my playlist given that I only have 3 speakers (dash, doors) and a Diamond 12 ported sub in back? I don't have an amp for my new headunit just the sub. I want just enough to Rush's Best Of from the rear seat are. Are crossovers necessary to hear YYZ as it was meant to be heard?
Hi Mr. Mark, I have a quick question if you do mind me asking. I purchase the Taramps TS-400X4, I know is a very cheap amp, but is for my daughter first car, my question is Could I connect one speaker on a bridge on ch1/2 and a second speaker on just ch1 on the same bridge side, I am trying to maximize the RMS on at least one speaker.
Your vids are on point.
What is the "all pass" used for?
please reply, do i overlap my crossovers, say i have my sub set at 80HZ do i put my mids hpf to 80? or do i leave a gap or do i overlap
What if on my crossover from my pioneer only says (MID HPF, MID LPH, High) i need help.
Excellent
That’s de video I was look for