Some of Nina Dobrev's dramatic acting is greatly underappreciated on this show. Especially that scene where she broke down about the death of her brother.
I think all of Nina’s acting is underappreciated. The way she was able to play Elena, Kathrin, Elena with her humanity off, Elena pretending to be Kathrin, Kathrin pretending to be Elena, Kathrin inside Elena’s body pretending to be Elena … and you can tell that all of them are different
I hated Enzo with a vengeance - he wasn't required after the first few eps he was in - to stick Bonnie with him was stupid - there was nothing there. They seemed to have to pair everyone up whether it worked or not - Bonnie also deserved better
Steroline was slow burn romance you cant see it 🤔 Im sorry but you are total wrong about precius Steroline true is Paul and Candice is ultimate chemistry together. Paul talk his Q&A he really love her and later his events he say scene with her go too hot season 6 . Season 7 Candice just got real pregnant when its start kissing with really hot man would go akvard so they must change Steroline storyline !! they still make some epic kissing scene .Its actually sad hear they original planning cant happen Stefan really falling in love with Caroline but they must separate them when real life she was home with her baby .Im they one biggest fan and i can talk Steroline chemistry like you did Delena all hour 😅 sorry my bad grammar im East Europe but my point is only what i agree some they scene was really bad cutting because some unprofessional cast members started directed ,cutting tvd .
Unpopular opinion (maybe?): after Damon snapped Jeremy’s neck, there was no way to put him and Elena together without ruining Elena’s character. Maybe if they got together when vampire-Elena turned her humanity off?
Yea, definitely her forgiving him so fast (or really at all, I can't imagine that as something you could ever forgive, especially for someone as loving as Elena/who has dealt with so much grief already) was one of the most unrealistic things about this supernatural show.
Absolutely. Like any woman would be with a man who KILLED HER BROTHER. To be fair to Elena, they did have to make her die, change her species and have her be sired to Damon to make their love believable.
when stefan was bad and had his own storyline he was the most fun. also giving bonnie more to do was the best decision for season 6 - her and damon in prison world was so much fun
The way Vampire Diaries progressed is like how Gossip Girl progressed. They accidentally stumped on genius characters and pairings but you can tell they are winging it.
@@hyalina7098 Yeah for me too. I was honestly kinda worried that they would ruin it by having them sleep together but luckily, they didn’t!! It’s not very often that you see a TRULY platonic friendship between two STRAIGHT characters on screen that STAYS platonic all throughout the show. But they did it!! 😁❤️
@@BenjiXAddictX4Ever Should have killed her off and left her out of the show. Damon is a vampire and surely was used to having people he loved die. He could have been paired with someone else, moved on from her.
@@heather6668 Julie Plec refused to have him be with anyone except Elena, he should have gotten with Bonnie but Julie is racíst so we couldn't get that either.
my hot take is the show didn't end because elena left, the show died because it REFUSED to let elena go it's one thing to have the main character leave, and another to have the SECOND main character (out of the three) be absolutely dependent on the one who left. damon was a half-coffin, not a character. you can't do anything with a character who revolves around the person who isn't there. starting episodes from "dear elena"? casting brunette girls and mentioning "they look like elena" every two minutes? it was insane behavior, i've never seen it happening in any show or movie. it was just pathetic. (and disrespectful to the actors who stayed too)
also I wanna say like after s4 the show dropped Stefan being one of the main characters, arguably s1 paints BOTH Elena AND Stefan as the main characters, I mean its the vampire diaries, they both have diaries but hellooo he's the vampire, but once they pivoted on focusing on the delena relationship Stefan fell back into secondary character tier, and its such a miss that specially after Elena had left the show they didn't pivot back to the brother relationship of Damon and Stefan, even more in retrospective when the finale kind of paints the entirety of the show around the trials and tribulations of the centuries old complicated brotherly bond of Damon and Stefan
@@xwinwinwinx I think that was it - I would have rather seen Damon accept that she was gone (kill her off) and move on from her. It was ridiculous how she left and they couldn't let it go. She annoyed me.
@@heather6668 to be honest ever since they broke up IRL and the actress was over the show and looking for other opportunities, the relationship in show seemed very strained. Like they were forcing it.
I also liked Rebecca because she gave Elena crap (when she deserved it), haha. But I ALSO was never once afraid of her because WAY too early her motivation was to go to prom. Like. Girl. You are one THOUSAND years old and you wanna go to prom??? I mean, like what you like, but I don’t believe it. They just needed a reason for her to be around the teens.
@@BARALover96 I disagree. Plenty of villains would attack them at school or anywhere else, but not everyone was tryna go TO school with them. They literally just made the girl an Uber-Vampire mean girl. It was a choice.
I think that was actually a good reflection of who her character was, as much as she enjoyed having power over the others (who doesn't love having power?) she was never truly power-hungry or scheming like her brothers, because she actively rejected the truth of who she & they were. She never wanted to be an age-old vampire, she only wanted desperately to return to a simple human existence (aka prom). Her wanting this was sad, tragic, and even pathetic sometimes, because not only have we as watchers actually experienced those things & know how stupid they actually are, but we also know that she'll never even come close to achieving them, because she of course hasn't been a teenager or humans in centuries. Rebekah is a reflection of that part of vampirism that only gets occasionally touched upon in the show, the desire to escape the supernatural and return to mundanity.
@@jewelcool2458 But this didn't have to be her character at all. At least not THIS way. It makes her look like a juvenile. It does NOT make her seem like a powerful, ancient being to be afraid of. Elijah, more than any of his siblings, pulled off being an “old soul” best. We could have shown her to be type A and a great planner/organizer in a MYRIAD of ways that didn't include the 1,000 year old vampire going to high school to plan dances, for real (not even as a ploy to get to Elena, she was DEAD ASS). If we hadn’t been introduced to her hanging out in clubs and/or speakesies and drinking with her brother and Stefan, and she was established as having a love for learning and/or the high school experience… then I could buy it. But even then… you are ONE THOUSAND years old. You should be past that by now. There HAS to be something better for you to do. It’s laughable. It’s not scary. 🤷🏾♂️
This is one of the first shows that absolutely captured my heart in the beginning, only to rip it out and stomp on it with how terrible it became. The cast was the only reason why i kept watching as long as i did.
no same. I remember watching it as a 10-year-old when it first premiered in 2009 and being so disappointed watching it get worse and worse after season six but because I was already invested so many years, I had to see it through.
re: ian and damon it's completely the opposite, ian never wanted damon to be redeemed, he *hated* the show trying to give damon happiness, because damon was a rapist, and he hated playing the "good damon". when he was "nearly in tears" talking to the writers, it was about him not wanting to have a crying scene in season 2, because "why would damon say he misses being human??? he is not!" he actually wanted nothing more than doing bad stuff with enzo 😭 to the point he made an ultimatum to the writers, the only reason enzo came back to life in season 5 is because ian liked the actor 💀 denzo was the favorite relationship ian had on screen, there is one scene in s7 where denzo almost kiss and it's ian you came up with it loool
Also the further the show went along, the further it went away from the source material. Yes, it was different from the books from the beginning, but Damon was very much like his book counterpart until show Damon said he misses being human, when book Damon literally went onto a crazy quest to immediately turn back into a vampire when he accidentaly became human! Damon leves Elena and all the other people behind to get back his supernatural powers! He loves being a vampire for gods sake!
something to give Enzo that’s overlooked is that i’m pretty sure he’s the only vampire that hasn’t SAed someone, which is baffling but true. like there’s at least scene or flashback scene where the vampires had just SAed/compelled someone. except Enzo since he was locked up for like 50 years
I don't think any of the originals did. Which is kind of ironic lol. (edited- aside from Rebekah's thing with teenage Marcel, though statutory is kind of just handwaved entirely in this show)
@@jewelcool2458 i don’t think Elijah did. and i cant fully remember but i think there’s a flashback scene in the first few of Klaus and Elijah in the olden days at a party. i think it was implied Klaus was doing something with a compelled girl but id have to go back to check
I always thought Bonnie waking Elena up would’ve made sense IF Kai had just lied about the Bonnie/Elena lifeline. That would be something he would do to mess with them imo😂🤷🏼♀️
@victoriathompson3194 yoo samee I thought I was the only one who thought that Kai lied, and that's how Bonnie was able to wake her up. It woulda been so good, but the writers would still suck ass for not explaining how she woke Elena up.
I thought Isobel was portrayed quite monotone and 'wodden' because her humanity was switched off. So I thought those characterisitcs were trying to show the audience how apathetic she was? Just my thoughts 😊
Yeah, Mia Kirshner is a stellar actress. One need only look at her resume to see that. She played Isobel as cold and bitchy, because she was hiding her emotions. She wanted to make it look like she didn't care about anyone or anything. But her final scene with Ric showed that she's full of shit. Mia did great with what little she was given.
Didn’t expect to have Tyler being my fav be psychoanalysed like that ajdndhfnfhfhf but unfortunately u right I can relate a lot to Tyler’s anger issues and how that was passed down from his dad but instead of cool werewolf powers I got therapy
Damon and Klaus stopped being scary when all they cared about were girls several generations younger than them. Damon loving Katherine (who was ALL he wanted in season one. He said to Stefan “I hope she dies” about Elena because, while attracted to her, he did not LOVE her) made the most sense because they both LOVED being vampires. That was the life they wanted. Elena wanted normalcy and stability and Damon wanted adventure and to be fast and loose (willing to kill if the mood struck). Damon being softened just to be with Elena never sat right with me. We either could have darkened Elena’s character, especially once she became a vampire (and I don’t mean that convenient ass switch). Instead, she remained “moral” (ish) and would make excuses for Damon, his behavior, and why she should be with him. But truth be told, Elena becoming darker also would not have made sense because the show said that being a vampire doesn’t change who you are fundamentally, you just become a heightened version of that. Which means Elena should have been even MORE moral and nice (and ACTUALLY be as nice and pure as that said but only showed basic human kindness, lol). Sometimes, the chemistry is there, the passion is electric… sparks fly… but you JUST aren’t compatible, and I’m sorry, Damon and Elena, as they were presented, were ABSOLUTELY incompatible. Why was it necessary for Klaus to be into Caroline, who had TWO other love interests and a love triangle already? Klaus was obsessed with witches and magic. Bonnie was the obvious choice. But much like Damon and Bonnie (which was a thing in the books), the girl could only get boys who meant NOTHING to the main plot and brought forth nothing (season two Jeremy had very little to do).
Maybe Elena was pretending to be nicer than she actually was and that's why she wasn't supernice as a vampire, if she wasn't genuinely nice in the first place 😅
@@TLCGreen Or literally say it, like in the narrative/dialogue, like EVER. 😭 Instead it was always “she's just so goddamn nice! She cares so much!!!” Yup! Just like when she repeatedly had her brother’s memories tampered with against his will, taking away his choice, but told one of her “best friends” that she needed to respect her father’s choice to take his own life instead of become a vampire… Oh, and all the times she kept asking her other best friend for favors and to help the vampires who routinely kept contributing to her trauma, her mom becoming a vampire (HER and her mother’s lives were gambled on a COIN TOSS. Including STEFAN. Like-). As I mentioned in another of Serena’s Bonnie vid, the overuse of magic kills witches (if you’re Black and in TVD, anyway) and killed her Grams… yet ELENA and friends constantly kept asking Bonnie to do magic for them…
No I think Elena becoming darker would have made sense, because even though you're supposed to become a heightened version of who you are/doesn't change you fundamentally it doesn't mean you can't change outside of the vampire transformation. That's what essentially happened to countless characters when they became vampires, it wasn't them becoming vampires that literally changed them, but they became hardened by the huge amount of time they had been alive + their power over humans that made them eventually view humans as disposable. Like Elijah said "She didn't make us monsters, we did that ourselves". This could've been a natural/subtle darkening in Elena
I quite liked Enzo's character once he was with Bonnie, but they should have gave her a romantic interest earlier, with Klaus for example, or with any other character. They just didn't do that cause Plec is a f racist, and oh God, I hate so much the ending they gave to Bonnie cause she ended up being the only character I cared about, besides Katherine. My girl Bonnie deserved so much better.
I don't hate Caroline but i do think she's way overhyped. I didn't like her constant slutshaming of other women especially Rebekah. I understand it was normal in the 2010s but i still didn't like it. At the beginning of season 6 I didn't like how she didn't allow Stefan to grieve the way he wanted to. I understand she was hurt by her friend abandoning her but at the same time Stefan lost his brother and he should be allowed to grieve the way he wanted to which was understandably getting the hell out of Mystic Falls. It was messed up for him to cut off all contract with Caroline but give him some grace. In a way to me it kinda seemed like she made his grief about herself being all like "How dare your left me! I needed you blah blah" like sis he lost his brother get off his back. Then later on in the season it seemed like she was mad at him for not liking her back. In the scene when she told him she hated him i didn't understand where she was coming from at all. The whole rest of the season felt like everyone pressuring and shaming Stefan for not immediately returning her feelings.
Oh god, I have so much to say about tvd. Obviously first 3 seasons of the show are incredible and feel like a natural progression of the story and character, they all progress and develop, especially the relationships and the overall plot becomes more and more interesting. And then season 4 happens, and all the downfall that comes with it. All the characters become so annoyingly repetitive, they do the same thing over and over again, no one changes, no one learns anything, and even worse they become more and more shallow like in Elena’s case. Damon just repeats the cycle of evil and good over and over again for the smallest dumbest things. Stefan just becomes one dimensional, and it’s pretty clear that the authors didn’t know what to do with him when he’s not in the love triangle. Bonnie just gets hurt over and over again, with some minutes of “happiness” in between. Caroline I’ll admit isn’t as terrible as the others’ cases but I still can not remember a single plot line with her after season 4 which is telling. And the only two interesting plot lines after season 4 are the plot lines with Katherine and Kai, which are supposed to be the antagonists that appear very rearly which is sad. But yeah, even though I’m really sad with the way that the show ended, I’m still glad I got to experience it
Omg the treatment of Bonnie/characters of color on this show made me think of the treatment of Tara and Lafayette in true blood. My husband and I watched it not that long ago and the absolute hell they put her and Lafayette through compared to other characters is wild
Ooh, and legacies. If I'm not mistaken I think it has it's last season. Honestly could not so sure I couldn't get into it like I could the originals and the vampire diaries lol. But would like a deep dive on it asking with the ones you mentioned!
Personally, I think if they had just followed the books, it wouldn't have been as bad, considering the stuff they created themselves ended up ruining the series. Julie Plec was also the main cause of its downfall in later seasons, same with The Originals. And we do not speak of Legacies.
@@alexharris3869a lot of the mess in the books could’ve absolutely been cleaned up though. Like, yes it was unhinged and the world wasn’t well thought out but was the world we got following season 3 actually well thought out? I think they should’ve followed the books as a basis and foundation and changed the elements that weren’t that well formulated.
The issue with the finality of death not being a major element in The Vampire Diaries wasn’t a big problem for me because, well, it’s The Vampire Diaries. It centers around vampires-living dead creatures who have escaped death and maneuvered around it. Even with Jeremy’s storyline, although trauma doesn’t make death permanent, the trauma itself has a lasting impact. The show explored this theme at times, but it could have delved into it more thoroughly with all the characters. Matt and Tyler’s stories addressed this theme more effectively. Matt’s hatred towards vampires, stemming from his trauma and loss of his human life, felt logical. His resentment was deeply rooted in his experiences with the supernatural, specifically vampirism, making his character’s struggle more believable. However, Matt’s character was undermined by the actor’s performance and lack of engaging storylines, while Tyler’s main issue was his attempt to SA Vicky early on. In comparison, Damon’s character also engages in problematic behavior, but the show doesn’t narratively address it as clearly as it does with Tyler. The story implies that Caroline and Damon are together willingly, despite Damon compelling her to forget and brutally harming her. While this is still sexual assault due to the age gap and the nature of their interactions, the show doesn’t treat it with the same gravity as it does Tyler’s actions, leading viewers to overlook one character’s actions in favor of another.
It was interesting until season 4, but damn, saying that s1 had good dialogue is crazy. it has the same type of dialogue, but unlike later seasons, it's elevated by the plot
Calling it amazing in general was crazy to me 😂 I enjoyed the first few seasons for sure! But it’s always been questionable to varying degrees to me lol
@@nArPh17yeah, like I can see why people would think he’s attractive but I think Ian has that Gosling effect to me where every element of his features on their own is appeasing but all together does nothing for me. Same thing with Joseph, I recognize the beauty but I’ve never seen it. I’ve always been more akin to Paul or Daniel tbh but I think overall we can just say the men in TVD and TO were pretty hot (some misses aside).
i quite liked Kai as a villain initially. He was so unserious/funny, but it made him even scarier when he decided to be scary. Like you’re waiting for him to snap and you’re not sure when he’ll do it, yk? I feel like when Kai and Luke did the merge, though, Kai’s character began to go downhill. Like Kai won and absorbed some of Luke’s personality and he got empathy. But the way we find out is like Kai shows up randomly and is like 😢i have feelings now. 😂😂and idk like it wasn’t working for me, i feel like i wanted that to be expanded on or to see some individual scenes of kai realising he has empathy now. It could have been quite interesting, but the show didn’t care enough to expand on it.
i think the doppelgänger tangent about stefan and silas is unserious. i dont think they ever claimed that being a doppelgänger was so unique and rare (ik its implied because who else just has one before silas came into it) but the way they tied it all together with Qetsiyah and how she made the immortality spell and nature needing versions of silas and amara that could die was kinda genius writing. or maybe my expectations are mediocre and i give the show too much credit, idk 💀
I don’t remember Bonnie dealing with grief lol. I hate Silas. He’s so uninteresting. Why was Kol so scared of him? Why are we meant to be scared of him? And honestly Tessa was right. He deserved all that and more Katherine overstayed her welcome. She should have been out of the series after they gave her the cure. If they did anted to give her a redemption then she should have died. Keeping her alive was a bad idea and did nothing for her character to the story The problem with Stefan isn’t that he’s boring. It’s that he doesn’t have a character to bounce off of. He’s the most interesting with Klaus, so they should have put him in the originals lol. He was also interesting when he was with Lexi. All they needed to do was give him a character that can bounce off his character in the same way Klaus did. Damon and redemption arc is hilarious. He did not have a redemption arc because the series never held him accountable for anything that he did. He didn’t get a redemption arc, he was in love with Elena and that’s it
That because Bonnie's grief happens all off screen. the closest we get is her moping in s3 in her house after seeing Grams get torture for trying to save Elena (BTW the first time we see Bonnie's house and we still won't meet her dad until the next season) and after Enzo dies.
I just found out recently that Julie envisioned Bonnie ending up with Matt since the scene with them in season 3 at the pool. I’m like really? She truly didn’t care about Bonnie at all.
I generally do agree with your analysis about the show kind of having a bad habit of adding a plot point and then immediately contradicting it. For example, at the end of season 3 Bonnie tells Klaus that she is tired of being bullied by everyone and that’s she’s going to start sticking up for herself. However, in the first episode of season 4 we see Bonnie once again being bullied into doing things that she doesn’t want to. Then when it comes to Jeremy dying I agree that he should have just stayed dead in season 4. As you point out Elena is often ridiculed by both the fans and other characters for constantly getting what she wants even if it’s the peril of others. So when Jeremy died it could have been the first time she would have really had to suck it up and grow as a character. As we know that did not happen. However, I would also like to point out that Bonnie bringing Jeremy back in many ways is a set back for Bonnie’s character arc as well. You see when Bonnie brings back Jeremy at the end of TVD season 2 The Spirits told her that there will be consequences. Which there were Jeremy was then given the ability to see people on the other side which allowed for him to be haunted by his ex girlfriends. Which then lead to Jeremy cheating on Bonnie with Anna. That was the first consequence. Then Bonnie’s grandmother, Sheila tells her that when she brought Jeremy back she opened a door to the other side which Esther Mickaelson took advantage of and widened which allowed Spirits that had unfinished business to wreak havoc in the human world. Which was consequence number two. So to me it makes no sense as to why Bonnie would try to bring Jeremy back again knowing all the consequences she suffered for doing it the first time and honestly the actor who played Jeremy ended up leaving the show anyways so season 4 should have been his exit as it would have at least given his death purpose. Overall, you can make an argument that the shows insistence on disrespecting Bonnie actually ended up hurting the show. For example, in season 5 when it is revealed that Liv is a witch who’s been trained since a child they have the nerve to have Bonnie say “You are more powerful than I ever was”. This completely contradicts the shows own lore. If I remember correctly when the show started out Bonnie, Elena, and Caroline were all in their Junior year and they graduated high school in season 4. By season 4 Bonnie had learned traditional magic, spirit magic, dark magic, and expression magic. Even Silas called her a prodigy. Which makes sense as she 4 different types of magic systems in less than two years. As we all know in season 2 she gains the power of 100 witches and takes on Klaus and would have killed him had Elijah not broken his word. So for her to say Liv was more powerful completely contradicts what we have seen on screen and the shows own cannon. The show really had this annoying habit of making sure that Bonnie couldn’t be badass for too long. In season 2 she gains the power of 100 witches and fights the most feared vampire in history and then in season 3 they tell us the spirits abandoned her. In season 4 she learns expression magic which is unlimited and is just a manifestation of the witches will. And then after season 4 they never have her use it again. This is all really disappointing because on paper Bonnie has one of the most interesting backgrounds in TVD. Just think She comes from a matriarchal witch bloodline that goes all the way into biblical times. Her family is responsible for the creation of the other side, the first immortal, the hunters, etc. and the show has many opportunities to take advantage of this. It still annoys me that when Elena left the show they didn’t just have Bonnie take her place as the lead. Like Hello, you have a character that’s been here for seven seasons that the actors who played Stefan and Damon both said they would be interested in exploring a love storyline with, that has plenty of background story for you to explore, but yet they still said no. Also, I’d like to add that I’m not saying she should have gotten with Damon as I know a lot of people prefer them as friends but I just added that to show her desirability amongst the other actors. And then to add insult to injury when Bonnie saves mystic falls for the final time. They have her character go to Africa. Not any specific country like Nigeria, Egypt, Senegal, or Somalia. Just Africa. It’s like they said, now that you have saved all the white characters you can go back to where you came from.
Yeah, same. I would have preferred Klaus to end up with Cami (the Originals), but nooo, the fans couldn’t stand Klaus being with anyone but Caroline and had to send Cami’s actress death threats because of the actions of a character she didn’t even write (allegedly why she left the show). Anyway, Tyler and Caroline made more sense to me
@@StellaLoreley the moment Camille became a vampire, I knew they were going to kill her off at some point. But I still hoped that at least Klaus and Camille can live for some time together without worrying about Camille's death from old age I guess, but no they HAD to kill her off because fandom be toxic.
46:20 I usually agree with you on everything but gotta disagree with you on the chemistry 😅 Paul Wesley was specifically chosen to play Stefan out of 50 other guys because of his chemistry with Nina Dobrev. The showrunners themselves said that the chemistry between Stefan and Elena had to be magic in order for the show to work, and this was despite the fact that Paul and Nina didn’t really like each other at first. Behind the scenes relationships don’t always translate into onscreen chemistry-it’s a specific thing that two actors either have or they don’t. A lot of people confuse dynamics with chemistry, which are two different things. Now in regards to their dynamics, I can see why the dynamic between Elena and Damon drew people in more than Elena and Stefan.
I love Paul in the part - BUT he looked and was far too old to play a 17 year old kid. Jeremy the same - no way I could look at him and say yep he's 15
Yea, their season 1 dynamic was fine for the beginning of a relationship + Elena still working through her grief but they should've evolved beyond that (both their dynamic and who they were as individuals) if they had they would've been a much better ship than Delena, which had a better dynamic but none of the shared beliefs/values which would create a healthy successful relationship (which Stelena did have).
I loved the first 3 seasons but after that it went down hill I just remember having to buy the dvds for the first two series so I could watch them all and I was able to buy season 3 when they came out on dvds after like a month and I was so excited to watch it. I remember watching those first 3 seasons a lot waiting for the fourth. It’s crazy to think I watched these before streaming services were out 😂. Only 31 but I feel so old already 😂
i miss that whole era of teen drama shows, they dont make good TV Shows like these anymore: The OC, One tree hill, Gossip Girl, Gilmore Girls, Dawsons creek, The vampire diaries, Charmed, buffy the vampire slayer, Smallville, Roswell, KYLE XY, Greek, The secret life of the american teenager, Pretty Little Liars & others.
Hearing you say you don’t understand why people like Enzo, I must say I’ve never thought about that, but I totally agree. I love Enzo but I couldn’t tell you one reason why 😅 Great video by the way (I’m only halfway but still)✨ I’ve seen the show I think two times a few years ago and recently heard a podcast recapping it (doppelgängers podcast - I loved it) and honestly there was so much potential but lately I feel like there just and no shows living up to their potential. Maybe because there are too many different people involved in writing it and there just is no clear vision from the start
My idea of the descendants thing is that like Amara and Silas had family members right like they must’ve, even if they didn’t have siblings like I imagine that they maybe had cousins or aunts so I thought it as more of like a bloodline thing so it didn’t need to be like Direct descendants and that way Amara and Silas wouldn’t of had to have children and also that eliminates the incest thing. Also, I kind of appreciated that they worked on like that entire Silas doppelgänger storyline in the way that they did because I thought it was actually kind of clever to give like a reasoning for doppelgängers and like why they are so special and important and like the balance of nature thing kind of makes sense to me like it’s this mystical thing that they had already previously connected to witchcraft. I don’t know. I just love that the TVDU gave a lot of things origins and like lore, and most of the time I found it quite clever before the hell stuff and the siren stuff and but even that stuff had like good bones to me and it made sense as to why they went in that direction it could’ve just been written better
RIGHT!! It’s like carrying the gene and then it just pops out, because if it’s a blood line thing then their whole origins carry the genes but they don’t show. It’s kind of basic biology
I don't know, I feel like that explanation could work for the doppelgangers who came directly after Silas and Amara but then if we're assuming that they then met and had kids (and all doppelgangers thereafter met and more often than not had kids) it would probably get pretty dang messy. I originally just handwaved it as a plot hole, but thinking about it now they could've just said that Katherine and Elena being related was an anamoly, and usually doppelgangers just occur randomly irregardless of any blood relation. (I feel like this actually would've only enhanced the mysticism of the lore tbh). Since anyway, you'd have to do a lot more mental gymnastics to say that the Amara 'bloodline' originated in ancient Greece then somewhere down the line moved to old-timey Virgina with Tatia and then moved back to Bulgaria with Katherine and THEN somehow wound up back in Virginia with Elena. I get hundreds of years passed and people moved and whatever, but that's a bit convoluted to believe nonetheless. I also loved the whole Amara and Silas doppelganger explanation, I remember young me losing her mind when Silas's true face was first revealed 😂. My qualms with it was how it invalidated Elena and Stefan's whole relationship and also Klaus was never meant to be usurped as the biggest bad. Like I agree that Katherine should've been the season 8 & 9 villain, the devil was just stupid and unnecessary (not to mention just a boring character). Them undoing the exquisite writing/metaphorical power given to Klaus and Katherine was just tragic.
The chemistry thing is a tricky one. I felt like Elena was very bland and uninteresting so it was hard for me to see chemistry between her and either of the brothers. Overall, I preferred Elena when she was a human and human Elena loved and chose Stefan, so I wanted them together. The show was supposed to end with them because Elena turned back into a human, and human Elena loved Stefan. They just couldn’t pull it off because Nina Dobrev only came back for the finale.
I personally think that the obvious choice for how to approach seasons 7 and 8 was to have Bonnie truly step up as the main character. It would be truly naive, or rather woefully ignorant, to ignore the obvious racism the writers had and why they always needed to keep Bonnie down and barely developed. They absolutely played favorites and it was quite obvious in those interviews and panels. She was always super interesting and brought SO much to the show even as the writers ACTIVELY tried to diminish her light, because Kat managed to slay ALL of her scenes and be GORGEOUS despite the horrendous wigs they forced her to wear. And her being elevated here, truly, would have made up for SO much of that. Instead, we divide our time with a bitter, MOPEY Damon. Yes, I KNOW how popular Delena is, but Lexi (R.I.P) presented a very fascinating concept that vampires don’t just have one “the one” and that there can be multiple “ones.” Elena’s curse meant nothing. Damon moping over her dragged and was stupid because we all knew she was coming back and that they’d end up together. The BEST way to shake things up would have been to really allow Bonnie to shine: a character who was ALWAYS there helping everyone else but that we didn’t really get to know who she was outside of her friends and weak love interests. Developing the Bennett line even better, seeing their origins… could have been epic. We’d never seen anything like it, and it would have been WAY more interesting than “life is no fun without Elena,” and the girl isn’t even dead and most of you are VAMPIRES! SHUT UP, lmao! 🤣 Bonnie and Damon should’ve just dated. She’d eventually die and Elena would come back and Damon could be with her again if he so chose. I also just think that for younger viewers, it’s not the best thing to always imply that your FIRST or second love are the one’s you HAVE to be with. Normalize romantics and romance to having experiences, meeting other people who have a fighting chance, and then seeing what works best. Bonnie and Damon’s evolution was the SLOWEST burn and it was only natural that they would at least get together, even if they didn’t stay together to the end. Ian Somerhalder aka Damon HIMSELF supported the ship and knew that it would have been BEYOND fresh beyond the ENDLESS Damon and Elena or Stefan and Elena (who were a better match btw, they wanted the same things in life) and the blasted love triangle. The writers THEMSELVES admitted to keeping characters around even if they served no purpose anymore, played favorites, and ruined their own potential as a result. People liked Bonnie. Many would have welcomed more attention being given to her and care for both character and actress, both for which there was NONE. So much new ground to cover. Just like most everyone liked Bonnie and Damon being friends (even those who weren’t shipping them romantically. Side note, not at you Serena, but countless other folks saw people shipping Bamon and folks responded with “why can’t men and women just be friends?” I always ask, well why couldn’t Damon and Elena just be friends? Flirting and chemistry? Sure? Even tension. But SOULMATES? I just don’t believe it), because it was FRESH.
I completely agree with your analysis. It would be so great if Bonnie became main character for last two seasons, but damn racist writters and producers on show. Also, it would have been great seeing Bonnie and Damon getting together cuz they really had something special. Last thing, i love that theory that vampires can have more than one special person through their long lives.
Nah they could've never done that, if they had actually made Bonnie the main character and given her the writing she deserves it would've been far to obvious how much better of a main character she is/how much Elena sucks in comparison (sorry Elena, you were also a victim of bad writing), they would've been shooting themselves in the foot if they made her the MC. (just imagining an alternate reality where Bonnie was always the MC 😭)
This is something that proves the racism of the show to me. The fact that they wouldn’t even entertain the idea of Bonnie and Damon being a couple even though 1. they exist in the books 2. they had a lot of tension / chemistry and would be a lot more believable than Steroline and all of the other unnecessary couples we got 3. they could have very easily had both Bonnie and Elena be two great loves of Damon’s life because Elena and Bonnie’s lives were tied together so Damon could have enjoyed life with both of them since he’s immortal and Bonnie’s not. If they were concerned about pissing off the Delena fans, they could have had both pairings done without dishonoring anyone. It literally makes no sense other than Bonnie’s black so we can’t.
Bonnie did not die in the season 2 episode where Klaus attacks them in Alaric’s body. Damon and Bonnie concoct a plan to fool Klaus into believing he has killed Bonnie aka the group’s “Biggest Weapon” and only potential threat to foiling his plan to break the hybrid curse, bc they know Klaus will keep coming as long as he believes Bonnie is alive. So Bonnie secretly placed a protection spell on herself and put on a big magic show to fool Klaus and Elena into thinking she had died by overexerting herself with magic. She stopped her own heart bc it had to appear real to Klaus and her friends so Klaus would have no reason to doubt it was all for show. Much like Luka used magic to fake unbinding the moon stone and how Bonnie fakes de-powering the Gilbert device in season 1, it was just a performance to make it appear as if Elena’s group had lost their strongest and only weapon. This is what she did when she ran off with Damon at the dance before confronting Klaus. A similar situation is used on season 1 of The Originals when Davina kills a handful of witches at the church after they hurt Cami. Marcel shows up and finds the bodies just as Sabine awakens from her “death”. Sabine confirms to Marcel that she used a protection spell on herself before confronting Davina and then admitted to constantly using one since the Originals arrived in town.
The one thing I hated was the ending of Katherine character. She was my favorite character. I wish they did more with Bonnie character. The one thing I hate was how evil actions was forgiven just because they were part of the main cast. Throughout most of history at 15 you were considered an adult. I understand in modern times things are different but historically that was normal.
I HATE the Travelers and the cure plots and everything that happens because they put Silas in s4. I love TVD with all my heart, but I hate how they broke the world and the rules they created in the next seasons. It should have ended with the Originals leaving in season 4 (maybe with Klaus alive for the spin-off and without the magical pregnancy) and Elena dealing with being a vampire. And I was rooting for a redemption arc for Katherine or a better ending as a villain at least.
I really hated the travelers storyline - stupid. Also i absolutely hated the whole Caroline/twins thing - that was a whole new level of stupidity. I really couldn't deal with her for most of the series. She was irritating to me and yes I know she's popular. I hated Alaric once he changed - it was ridiculous. The writers were soooooo locked into Damon and Elena being together they couldn't accept that Elena should have died when Nina left.
As much as the Sylas arc was insane and nonsensical. Him locking Stefan in a safe for like 3 months and dropping him at the bottom of a quarry and being forced to drown over and over again is metal af
Nothing will ever be funnier to me than you posing in an outfit in your thumbnail completely unrelated to anything that you wear in the actual video 💀 I promise this isn't shade, it genuinely entertains me
16:15 CLOCK IT QUEEN!!!!! He’s literal trash irl but Alaric was fun to watch when the show was airing After everything that’s come out after the show it’s so hard to like him when he’s on screen now
hot take: a lot of this shows issues would be solved if it weren't for trying to turn delena into this odds defying, passionate relationship. it literally affected every character in a negative way. everything literally stemmed back to delena and how they were together and things the two of them did and other people did because of the relationship. also elena's character doesn't get the luxury of being explored outside of the love triangle, whereas damon and stefan do (wheter its effective is besides the point lol). i think a lot of the annoying traits of her character come from lack of context and not being fully fleshed out. everything is because of stefan and damon and how obsessed they are with her. honestly fix that and the show is already 10 times better in my opinion because the protagonist actually has depth instead of the two men beside her being her whole character. also, they had fire in a bottle with katherine's character, and while i really like her, theres a whole bunch of wasted potential there. after season 2, maybe season 3, her villain arc is very forced and she should've been the antihero they desperately wanted damon and klaus to be.
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rebekah in the vampire diaries is hella annoying-so whiny and for what? like she’s thousands of years old and she’s still acting like a teenager. like i think that was sort of the point because she was kinda robbed of her life by running from her father and by being daggered by klaus etc, but it doesn’t make it any less annoying. she’s better in the originals from what i remember
Imo, season 4 had potential to be good the execution was terrible especially when they added Silas...Season 6 for me was the redeeming season for the show a little bit because of Kai, Damon and Bonnie. Season 7, I honestly skipped most of it, same for Season 8 it was just awful. But I watched the finale for Katherine being back which was not perfect but fine.... Honestly Elena leaving really did affect the show imo... But honestly, for me, seasons 1, 2, and 3 are the best🎉
Ughh Klaus and Caroline. Wish they changed the arc after season 3. The introduction to The Originals was amazing. So sad after season 3 it goes downhill. Still remember reading Klaroline fanfics on AO3
If we think about it, is it really that gross of Matt David to make the comment about Elena and Alaric considering they put Alaric and Caroline together lol?
Jenna did have a purpose. She was the legal guardian for Elena and Jeremy. I remember being very sad when she died, cause I liked her a lot I think Caroline was a good character in the books, too, for the purposes she was created in the books, but she is definitely better and more sympathetic in the show. I want to like Jeremy so bad, too, but he's just... meh... I'm sorry, at some point the character lost purpose and justification to be a part in the story, they had just nothing to do with him anymore, and it shows xD
Ian like Joseph didn't want to be a good guy and the show messes up by them claiming Elena and Caroline make them better when in fact they seem act worse specifically when they don't get their way. Also Kevin Williamson went on record that Damon snapping Jeremy's neck should ended Delena as an endgame and Julie even on record that the sirebond was there way around that as Damon still did too much heinous shit to Elena for Delena to naturally get together. This show is very anti-black even in the first season with how much confederacy glamorization going on that was a writer's choice as bookwise Salvatores are Italians. Also knowing that multiple actors pitched being paired with Bonnie romantically, only for the writers to throw Caroline or another white actress at them will leave a sour taste in my mouth.
Like any deep dive I disagree with some points, but agree with others. Finally someone who understands Tyler and how he is overhated by the fandom. Finally someone who actually sees what Damon did to Caroline was wrong and they downplayed it because of how attractive and mesmerizing Ian is. But how can you not like my girl Rebekah! I hope you plan to watch the Originals. The show is way more consistant than TVD, especially with the villains in my opinion.
All these actor's flopped after the show ended all exapct kat graham and juli plec cant make a good a show anymore she left legacies to make anthor vampire school show and that got canceled quick
I'm one of the weirdos who really felt the chemistry between Elena and Stefan. Damon and Elena had a few moments, but I mostly found them to be annoying together
19:13 It’s funny because Paul Wesley raised the exact same issue, but he then just said “well, the story needed to go one way, and we sort of followed it”.
The whole time being like Elena is the worst thing about the show and then we get to the seasons without her and realising that she kinda is the show. The show lost me a little after killing Katherine but then season 6 had some good moments and I was back into it only to end on such a terrible season was such a let down. I'm forever annoyed about almost everyone becoming human in the finale, it was so unbelievably stupid and terrible. The cure should never have been been brought into the show though I loved the journey to getting it. Caroline as a human? Okay. As a vampire? She was born to be one. She was so badass. Katherine stole the show for me. I never not rooted for her. She was the only good thing about the finale. Rebecca gets better in the Originals like Hayley does.
Can you do a video about if you were one of the writers for the show, how you would have things play out season to season? I'm just curious what your The Vampire Diaries would look like as you have some great points! Also will you be doing a deep dive into The Originals show?
Vampire Diaries should have ended with season 4 imo. I feel the showrunners or the TV network got greedy and tried to milk more money from a story that was already at the end. I remember enjoying the first 3 saesons so much. Season 4 was ok, but I hated most of season 5. Season 6 was a good come back, I kinda liked it. But at season 7 I completly gave up and never finnished the show.
The thing with Tyler is I could never get past the fact he looks so much like Zoolander. He's the embodiment of what Ben Stiller was going for. I couldn't take anything with him as straightforward when all I can think is Blue Steel.
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Some of Nina Dobrev's dramatic acting is greatly underappreciated on this show. Especially that scene where she broke down about the death of her brother.
I think all of Nina’s acting is underappreciated. The way she was able to play Elena, Kathrin, Elena with her humanity off, Elena pretending to be Kathrin, Kathrin pretending to be Elena, Kathrin inside Elena’s body pretending to be Elena … and you can tell that all of them are different
And Nina also played other dopplegangers (briefly) of Amara and Tatia
She has done so much better specially as Katherine but when Jeremy died
That scene is so cringe when she was crying lol
Now, no shade at nina because she is an INCREDIBLE katherine but I couldn't stans any time elena cried I did not buy it 😔
Wtf that sene where she burns her house down looks like bitch just stubbed her toe I was dying of second hand cringe 😂😂
The best part of the show is hands down Damon and Bonnie becoming friends!
I loved that. It was the only saving grace in the later seasons. And I shipped these two in the books so hard :'D
@@AeSunfyre Yassss it’s the only reason the later seasons were even worth a watch in my opinion.
The way Stefan was living rent free in Enzo's head will never not be funny to me. It was at a point were I thought Enzo might've lowkey wanted him.
Had this show been on HBO or something… there would’ve been ALOT more male vamp on male vamp action lol.
Omg right this has me crying 😭 I lowkey thought Enzo needed him
I hated Enzo with a vengeance - he wasn't required after the first few eps he was in - to stick Bonnie with him was stupid - there was nothing there. They seemed to have to pair everyone up whether it worked or not - Bonnie also deserved better
LMAO
Steroline was slow burn romance you cant see it 🤔 Im sorry but you are total wrong about precius Steroline true is Paul and Candice is ultimate chemistry together. Paul talk his Q&A he really love her and later his events he say scene with her go too hot season 6 .
Season 7 Candice just got real pregnant when its start kissing with really hot man would go akvard so they must change Steroline storyline !! they still make some epic kissing scene .Its actually sad hear they original planning cant happen Stefan really falling in love with Caroline but they must separate them when real life she was home with her baby
.Im they one biggest fan and i can talk Steroline chemistry like you did Delena all hour 😅 sorry my bad grammar im East Europe but my point is only what i agree some they scene was really bad cutting because some unprofessional cast members started directed ,cutting tvd .
Klaus mikaelson was the best thing to happen to the vampire dairies franchise
Agree
Klaus has been around since 1992, give thanks to L.J. Smith for creating him in order for Klaus Mikaelson to exist.
I call him Lestat but more boring and str8
@@randomgeekcrap have you seen him in the originals?
U spelled caroline forbes wrong luv
Unpopular opinion (maybe?): after Damon snapped Jeremy’s neck, there was no way to put him and Elena together without ruining Elena’s character.
Maybe if they got together when vampire-Elena turned her humanity off?
Yea, definitely her forgiving him so fast (or really at all, I can't imagine that as something you could ever forgive, especially for someone as loving as Elena/who has dealt with so much grief already) was one of the most unrealistic things about this supernatural show.
Absolutely. Like any woman would be with a man who KILLED HER BROTHER. To be fair to Elena, they did have to make her die, change her species and have her be sired to Damon to make their love believable.
when stefan was bad and had his own storyline he was the most fun. also giving bonnie more to do was the best decision for season 6 - her and damon in prison world was so much fun
Fr, I think Stefan could've been on the same level as Damon, Katherine, & Klaus if they had given him better storylines/any care at all
The way Vampire Diaries progressed is like how Gossip Girl progressed. They accidentally stumped on genius characters and pairings but you can tell they are winging it.
Rewatched gossip girl but Blair and Chuck were the worst if this was real life I would hope they’re divorced
This show invented the: just because they are dead doesn't mean they are dead characters.
I’d argue supernatural did it first but I get what you mean
@@katdiggory5501 I did not watched Supernatural, so you might be right, I did not thought about it.
@@aliiciia555 no worries
Supernatural but I believe they are both on the cw
I feel they genuinely DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO when Nina left the show . . . 😒
@@AHufflepuffAndASwiftie They didn't and it absolutely showed.
right? the friendship of bamon lowkey carried the show at the end for me sadly
@@hyalina7098 Yeah for me too. I was honestly kinda worried that they would ruin it by having them sleep together but luckily, they didn’t!! It’s not very often that you see a TRULY platonic friendship between two STRAIGHT characters on screen that STAYS platonic all throughout the show. But they did it!! 😁❤️
@@BenjiXAddictX4Ever Should have killed her off and left her out of the show. Damon is a vampire and surely was used to having people he loved die. He could have been paired with someone else, moved on from her.
@@heather6668 Julie Plec refused to have him be with anyone except Elena, he should have gotten with Bonnie but Julie is racíst so we couldn't get that either.
my hot take is the show didn't end because elena left, the show died because it REFUSED to let elena go
it's one thing to have the main character leave, and another to have the SECOND main character (out of the three) be absolutely dependent on the one who left. damon was a half-coffin, not a character.
you can't do anything with a character who revolves around the person who isn't there. starting episodes from "dear elena"? casting brunette girls and mentioning "they look like elena" every two minutes?
it was insane behavior, i've never seen it happening in any show or movie. it was just pathetic. (and disrespectful to the actors who stayed too)
Personally, there was a ton of Klaus x Caroline and Bonnie Bennet fans to keep it up. The cast would have done it beautifully.
Maybe the show runners felt they had to keep including Elena somehow to appease the Delena shippers as they were a strong entity at the time 😅
also I wanna say like after s4 the show dropped Stefan being one of the main characters, arguably s1 paints BOTH Elena AND Stefan as the main characters, I mean its the vampire diaries, they both have diaries but hellooo he's the vampire, but once they pivoted on focusing on the delena relationship Stefan fell back into secondary character tier, and its such a miss that specially after Elena had left the show they didn't pivot back to the brother relationship of Damon and Stefan, even more in retrospective when the finale kind of paints the entirety of the show around the trials and tribulations of the centuries old complicated brotherly bond of Damon and Stefan
@@xwinwinwinx I think that was it - I would have rather seen Damon accept that she was gone (kill her off) and move on from her. It was ridiculous how she left and they couldn't let it go. She annoyed me.
@@heather6668 to be honest ever since they broke up IRL and the actress was over the show and looking for other opportunities, the relationship in show seemed very strained. Like they were forcing it.
I also liked Rebecca because she gave Elena crap (when she deserved it), haha.
But I ALSO was never once afraid of her because WAY too early her motivation was to go to prom.
Like.
Girl. You are one THOUSAND years old and you wanna go to prom???
I mean, like what you like, but I don’t believe it. They just needed a reason for her to be around the teens.
That more the problem with the show’s setting
@@BARALover96 I disagree.
Plenty of villains would attack them at school or anywhere else, but not everyone was tryna go TO school with them.
They literally just made the girl an Uber-Vampire mean girl.
It was a choice.
I think that was actually a good reflection of who her character was, as much as she enjoyed having power over the others (who doesn't love having power?) she was never truly power-hungry or scheming like her brothers, because she actively rejected the truth of who she & they were. She never wanted to be an age-old vampire, she only wanted desperately to return to a simple human existence (aka prom). Her wanting this was sad, tragic, and even pathetic sometimes, because not only have we as watchers actually experienced those things & know how stupid they actually are, but we also know that she'll never even come close to achieving them, because she of course hasn't been a teenager or humans in centuries. Rebekah is a reflection of that part of vampirism that only gets occasionally touched upon in the show, the desire to escape the supernatural and return to mundanity.
@@jewelcool2458 But this didn't have to be her character at all. At least not THIS way.
It makes her look like a juvenile. It does NOT make her seem like a powerful, ancient being to be afraid of.
Elijah, more than any of his siblings, pulled off being an “old soul” best.
We could have shown her to be type A and a great planner/organizer in a MYRIAD of ways that didn't include the 1,000 year old vampire going to high school to plan dances, for real (not even as a ploy to get to Elena, she was DEAD ASS).
If we hadn’t been introduced to her hanging out in clubs and/or speakesies and drinking with her brother and Stefan, and she was established as having a love for learning and/or the high school experience… then I could buy it. But even then…
you are ONE THOUSAND years old. You should be past that by now.
There HAS to be something better for you to do. It’s laughable. It’s not scary. 🤷🏾♂️
This is one of the first shows that absolutely captured my heart in the beginning, only to rip it out and stomp on it with how terrible it became. The cast was the only reason why i kept watching as long as i did.
The perfect description of what this show did to me as I watched it slowly and surely devolve
no same. I remember watching it as a 10-year-old when it first premiered in 2009 and being so disappointed watching it get worse and worse after season six but because I was already invested so many years, I had to see it through.
And matt just cries
Yep that's how i discribe his character
re: ian and damon
it's completely the opposite, ian never wanted damon to be redeemed, he *hated* the show trying to give damon happiness, because damon was a rapist, and he hated playing the "good damon". when he was "nearly in tears" talking to the writers, it was about him not wanting to have a crying scene in season 2, because "why would damon say he misses being human??? he is not!"
he actually wanted nothing more than doing bad stuff with enzo 😭 to the point he made an ultimatum to the writers, the only reason enzo came back to life in season 5 is because ian liked the actor 💀 denzo was the favorite relationship ian had on screen, there is one scene in s7 where denzo almost kiss and it's ian you came up with it loool
right? i have to admit i respect him for that and how he stood up for kat
Also the further the show went along, the further it went away from the source material. Yes, it was different from the books from the beginning, but Damon was very much like his book counterpart until show Damon said he misses being human, when book Damon literally went onto a crazy quest to immediately turn back into a vampire when he accidentaly became human! Damon leves Elena and all the other people behind to get back his supernatural powers! He loves being a vampire for gods sake!
With everything I’ve heard Ian Somerhalder wanted to happen in/be part of the show, gods I wish he’d been in charge.
@@petloverspy he literally just wanted to have fun and i respect it
@@RocKsiJ I don’t want to “fix him,” I want to release him into unsuspecting human habitats and observe the outcome
something to give Enzo that’s overlooked is that i’m pretty sure he’s the only vampire that hasn’t SAed someone, which is baffling but true. like there’s at least scene or flashback scene where the vampires had just SAed/compelled someone. except Enzo since he was locked up for like 50 years
I don't think any of the originals did. Which is kind of ironic lol. (edited- aside from Rebekah's thing with teenage Marcel, though statutory is kind of just handwaved entirely in this show)
@@jewelcool2458 i don’t think Elijah did. and i cant fully remember but i think there’s a flashback scene in the first few of Klaus and Elijah in the olden days at a party. i think it was implied Klaus was doing something with a compelled girl but id have to go back to check
But what about Stefan?
@@jewelcool2458pretty sure Klaus did to Caroline as Tyler.
@@nelle381RIP, you’re right
I always thought Bonnie waking Elena up would’ve made sense IF Kai had just lied about the Bonnie/Elena lifeline. That would be something he would do to mess with them imo😂🤷🏼♀️
@victoriathompson3194 yoo samee I thought I was the only one who thought that Kai lied, and that's how Bonnie was able to wake her up. It woulda been so good, but the writers would still suck ass for not explaining how she woke Elena up.
Elena and Damon doing GRIMACES at each other omg i can't 🤣🤣
Why is it so funny 😂😭
@SerenaSkybourne because it's not the word one would expect to describe a lovers' reunion but it actually works perfectly!
I thought Isobel was portrayed quite monotone and 'wodden' because her humanity was switched off. So I thought those characterisitcs were trying to show the audience how apathetic she was? Just my thoughts 😊
Yeah, Mia Kirshner is a stellar actress. One need only look at her resume to see that. She played Isobel as cold and bitchy, because she was hiding her emotions. She wanted to make it look like she didn't care about anyone or anything. But her final scene with Ric showed that she's full of shit. Mia did great with what little she was given.
Didn’t expect to have Tyler being my fav be psychoanalysed like that ajdndhfnfhfhf but unfortunately u right I can relate a lot to Tyler’s anger issues and how that was passed down from his dad but instead of cool werewolf powers I got therapy
Damon and Klaus stopped being scary when all they cared about were girls several generations younger than them.
Damon loving Katherine (who was ALL he wanted in season one. He said to Stefan “I hope she dies” about Elena because, while attracted to her, he did not LOVE her) made the most sense because they both LOVED being vampires. That was the life they wanted. Elena wanted normalcy and stability and Damon wanted adventure and to be fast and loose (willing to kill if the mood struck).
Damon being softened just to be with Elena never sat right with me. We either could have darkened Elena’s character, especially once she became a vampire (and I don’t mean that convenient ass switch).
Instead, she remained “moral” (ish) and would make excuses for Damon, his behavior, and why she should be with him. But truth be told, Elena becoming darker also would not have made sense because the show said that being a vampire doesn’t change who you are fundamentally, you just become a heightened version of that. Which means Elena should have been even MORE moral and nice (and ACTUALLY be as nice and pure as that said but only showed basic human kindness, lol).
Sometimes, the chemistry is there, the passion is electric… sparks fly… but you JUST aren’t compatible, and I’m sorry, Damon and Elena, as they were presented, were ABSOLUTELY incompatible.
Why was it necessary for Klaus to be into Caroline, who had TWO other love interests and a love triangle already?
Klaus was obsessed with witches and magic. Bonnie was the obvious choice.
But much like Damon and Bonnie (which was a thing in the books), the girl could only get boys who meant NOTHING to the main plot and brought forth nothing (season two Jeremy had very little to do).
Maybe Elena was pretending to be nicer than she actually was and that's why she wasn't supernice as a vampire, if she wasn't genuinely nice in the first place 😅
@@xwinwinwinxthat would’ve been an interesting twist (and closer to book Elena), but they would’ve had to weave that into the story earlier
@@TLCGreen Or literally say it, like in the narrative/dialogue, like EVER. 😭
Instead it was always “she's just so goddamn nice! She cares so much!!!”
Yup! Just like when she repeatedly had her brother’s memories tampered with against his will, taking away his choice, but told one of her “best friends” that she needed to respect her father’s choice to take his own life instead of become a vampire…
Oh, and all the times she kept asking her other best friend for favors and to help the vampires who routinely kept contributing to her trauma, her mom becoming a vampire (HER and her mother’s lives were gambled on a COIN TOSS. Including STEFAN. Like-).
As I mentioned in another of Serena’s Bonnie vid, the overuse of magic kills witches (if you’re Black and in TVD, anyway) and killed her Grams… yet ELENA and friends constantly kept asking Bonnie to do magic for them…
No I think Elena becoming darker would have made sense, because even though you're supposed to become a heightened version of who you are/doesn't change you fundamentally it doesn't mean you can't change outside of the vampire transformation. That's what essentially happened to countless characters when they became vampires, it wasn't them becoming vampires that literally changed them, but they became hardened by the huge amount of time they had been alive + their power over humans that made them eventually view humans as disposable. Like Elijah said "She didn't make us monsters, we did that ourselves". This could've been a natural/subtle darkening in Elena
I quite liked Enzo's character once he was with Bonnie, but they should have gave her a romantic interest earlier, with Klaus for example, or with any other character. They just didn't do that cause Plec is a f racist, and oh God, I hate so much the ending they gave to Bonnie cause she ended up being the only character I cared about, besides Katherine. My girl Bonnie deserved so much better.
The show told us Katherine was a doppelganger of Tatia back in like season 2 so that part wasn’t really a plot hole
Klaus is easily the best villain
I don't hate Caroline but i do think she's way overhyped. I didn't like her constant slutshaming of other women especially Rebekah. I understand it was normal in the 2010s but i still didn't like it. At the beginning of season 6 I didn't like how she didn't allow Stefan to grieve the way he wanted to. I understand she was hurt by her friend abandoning her but at the same time Stefan lost his brother and he should be allowed to grieve the way he wanted to which was understandably getting the hell out of Mystic Falls. It was messed up for him to cut off all contract with Caroline but give him some grace. In a way to me it kinda seemed like she made his grief about herself being all like "How dare your left me! I needed you blah blah" like sis he lost his brother get off his back. Then later on in the season it seemed like she was mad at him for not liking her back. In the scene when she told him she hated him i didn't understand where she was coming from at all. The whole rest of the season felt like everyone pressuring and shaming Stefan for not immediately returning her feelings.
Agree with all of this!!!
Exactly
Oh god, I have so much to say about tvd. Obviously first 3 seasons of the show are incredible and feel like a natural progression of the story and character, they all progress and develop, especially the relationships and the overall plot becomes more and more interesting.
And then season 4 happens, and all the downfall that comes with it. All the characters become so annoyingly repetitive, they do the same thing over and over again, no one changes, no one learns anything, and even worse they become more and more shallow like in Elena’s case. Damon just repeats the cycle of evil and good over and over again for the smallest dumbest things. Stefan just becomes one dimensional, and it’s pretty clear that the authors didn’t know what to do with him when he’s not in the love triangle. Bonnie just gets hurt over and over again, with some minutes of “happiness” in between. Caroline I’ll admit isn’t as terrible as the others’ cases but I still can not remember a single plot line with her after season 4 which is telling. And the only two interesting plot lines after season 4 are the plot lines with Katherine and Kai, which are supposed to be the antagonists that appear very rearly which is sad. But yeah, even though I’m really sad with the way that the show ended, I’m still glad I got to experience it
Omg the treatment of Bonnie/characters of color on this show made me think of the treatment of Tara and Lafayette in true blood. My husband and I watched it not that long ago and the absolute hell they put her and Lafayette through compared to other characters is wild
Would love to see the Originals, BONES, Orphan black or a Teen Wolf deep dive!
Ooh, and legacies. If I'm not mistaken I think it has it's last season. Honestly could not so sure I couldn't get into it like I could the originals and the vampire diaries lol. But would like a deep dive on it asking with the ones you mentioned!
Personally, I think if they had just followed the books, it wouldn't have been as bad, considering the stuff they created themselves ended up ruining the series.
Julie Plec was also the main cause of its downfall in later seasons, same with The Originals. And we do not speak of Legacies.
The LJ Smith with the brothers from Italy or the Civil War plotline.
@@MADEbySOUL Nope, L.J. Smith had them from Renaissance Italy, the show whitewashed them into The Civil War.
eh, i don’t think the books were all that & i like that they didn’t follow it 🤷🏽♀️
It would have been so much more unhinged and dumb
@@alexharris3869a lot of the mess in the books could’ve absolutely been cleaned up though. Like, yes it was unhinged and the world wasn’t well thought out but was the world we got following season 3 actually well thought out? I think they should’ve followed the books as a basis and foundation and changed the elements that weren’t that well formulated.
The issue with the finality of death not being a major element in The Vampire Diaries wasn’t a big problem for me because, well, it’s The Vampire Diaries. It centers around vampires-living dead creatures who have escaped death and maneuvered around it. Even with Jeremy’s storyline, although trauma doesn’t make death permanent, the trauma itself has a lasting impact. The show explored this theme at times, but it could have delved into it more thoroughly with all the characters.
Matt and Tyler’s stories addressed this theme more effectively. Matt’s hatred towards vampires, stemming from his trauma and loss of his human life, felt logical. His resentment was deeply rooted in his experiences with the supernatural, specifically vampirism, making his character’s struggle more believable. However, Matt’s character was undermined by the actor’s performance and lack of engaging storylines, while Tyler’s main issue was his attempt to SA Vicky early on.
In comparison, Damon’s character also engages in problematic behavior, but the show doesn’t narratively address it as clearly as it does with Tyler. The story implies that Caroline and Damon are together willingly, despite Damon compelling her to forget and brutally harming her. While this is still sexual assault due to the age gap and the nature of their interactions, the show doesn’t treat it with the same gravity as it does Tyler’s actions, leading viewers to overlook one character’s actions in favor of another.
It was interesting until season 4, but damn, saying that s1 had good dialogue is crazy. it has the same type of dialogue, but unlike later seasons, it's elevated by the plot
I rly felt like it wasn’t as bad but maybe that’s just me 😂
Calling it amazing in general was crazy to me 😂 I enjoyed the first few seasons for sure! But it’s always been questionable to varying degrees to me lol
Saying Jeremy is the most handsome character on the cast when there's IAN SOMERHALDER in the cast is a wild take.
I honestly agree with that take 😭 I think Ian is an acquired taste, you either think he's the hottest guy on earth or not hot at all
Saying he’s the most handsome with Klaus, and Stefan. And I used to think Stefan had a weird ass face
I never thought Ian was cute .. like at all lol
Him and Ian are up there for me
@@nArPh17yeah, like I can see why people would think he’s attractive but I think Ian has that Gosling effect to me where every element of his features on their own is appeasing but all together does nothing for me. Same thing with Joseph, I recognize the beauty but I’ve never seen it. I’ve always been more akin to Paul or Daniel tbh but I think overall we can just say the men in TVD and TO were pretty hot (some misses aside).
i quite liked Kai as a villain initially. He was so unserious/funny, but it made him even scarier when he decided to be scary. Like you’re waiting for him to snap and you’re not sure when he’ll do it, yk?
I feel like when Kai and Luke did the merge, though, Kai’s character began to go downhill. Like Kai won and absorbed some of Luke’s personality and he got empathy. But the way we find out is like Kai shows up randomly and is like 😢i have feelings now. 😂😂and idk like it wasn’t working for me, i feel like i wanted that to be expanded on or to see some individual scenes of kai realising he has empathy now. It could have been quite interesting, but the show didn’t care enough to expand on it.
i think the doppelgänger tangent about stefan and silas is unserious. i dont think they ever claimed that being a doppelgänger was so unique and rare (ik its implied because who else just has one before silas came into it) but the way they tied it all together with Qetsiyah and how she made the immortality spell and nature needing versions of silas and amara that could die was kinda genius writing. or maybe my expectations are mediocre and i give the show too much credit, idk 💀
Same thoughts I had!
If you really enjoyed Klaus' character in TVD, I highly recommend you go watch The Originals. I would love to see you do a review video on it!
The only thing I remember about season 5 is Katherine possesses elena and damon being turned into a ripper virus.
You gotta do a character ranking
I don’t remember Bonnie dealing with grief lol.
I hate Silas. He’s so uninteresting. Why was Kol so scared of him? Why are we meant to be scared of him? And honestly Tessa was right. He deserved all that and more
Katherine overstayed her welcome. She should have been out of the series after they gave her the cure. If they did anted to give her a redemption then she should have died. Keeping her alive was a bad idea and did nothing for her character to the story
The problem with Stefan isn’t that he’s boring. It’s that he doesn’t have a character to bounce off of. He’s the most interesting with Klaus, so they should have put him in the originals lol. He was also interesting when he was with Lexi. All they needed to do was give him a character that can bounce off his character in the same way Klaus did.
Damon and redemption arc is hilarious. He did not have a redemption arc because the series never held him accountable for anything that he did. He didn’t get a redemption arc, he was in love with Elena and that’s it
That because Bonnie's grief happens all off screen. the closest we get is her moping in s3 in her house after seeing Grams get torture for trying to save Elena (BTW the first time we see Bonnie's house and we still won't meet her dad until the next season) and after Enzo dies.
I just found out recently that Julie envisioned Bonnie ending up with Matt since the scene with them in season 3 at the pool. I’m like really? She truly didn’t care about Bonnie at all.
S1-3 really were the best. The show kinda got boring and lost me after S3
I generally do agree with your analysis about the show kind of having a bad habit of adding a plot point and then immediately contradicting it. For example, at the end of season 3 Bonnie tells Klaus that she is tired of being bullied by everyone and that’s she’s going to start sticking up for herself. However, in the first episode of season 4 we see Bonnie once again being bullied into doing things that she doesn’t want to.
Then when it comes to Jeremy dying I agree that he should have just stayed dead in season 4. As you point out Elena is often ridiculed by both the fans and other characters for constantly getting what she wants even if it’s the peril of others. So when Jeremy died it could have been the first time she would have really had to suck it up and grow as a character. As we know that did not happen. However, I would also like to point out that Bonnie bringing Jeremy back in many ways is a set back for Bonnie’s character arc as well. You see when Bonnie brings back Jeremy at the end of TVD season 2 The Spirits told her that there will be consequences. Which there were Jeremy was then given the ability to see people on the other side which allowed for him to be haunted by his ex girlfriends. Which then lead to Jeremy cheating on Bonnie with Anna. That was the first consequence. Then Bonnie’s grandmother, Sheila tells her that when she brought Jeremy back she opened a door to the other side which Esther Mickaelson took advantage of and widened which allowed Spirits that had unfinished business to wreak havoc
in the human world. Which was consequence number two. So to me it makes no sense as to why Bonnie would try to bring Jeremy back again knowing all the consequences she suffered for doing it the first time and honestly the actor who played Jeremy ended up leaving the show anyways so season 4 should have been his exit as it would have at least given his death purpose.
Overall, you can make an argument that the shows insistence on disrespecting Bonnie actually ended up hurting the show. For example, in season 5 when it is revealed that Liv is a witch who’s been trained since a child they have the nerve to have Bonnie say “You are more powerful than I ever was”. This completely contradicts the shows own lore. If I remember correctly when the show started out Bonnie, Elena, and Caroline were all in their Junior year and they graduated high school in season 4. By season 4 Bonnie had learned traditional magic, spirit magic, dark magic, and expression magic. Even Silas called her a prodigy. Which makes sense as she 4 different types of magic systems in less than two years. As we all know in season 2 she gains the power of 100 witches and takes on Klaus and would have killed him had Elijah not broken his word. So for her to say Liv was more powerful completely contradicts what we have seen on screen and the shows own cannon. The show really had this annoying habit of making sure that Bonnie couldn’t be badass for too long. In season 2 she gains the power of 100 witches and fights the most feared vampire in history and then in season 3 they tell us the spirits abandoned her. In season 4 she learns expression magic which is unlimited and is just a manifestation of the witches will. And then after season 4 they never have her use it again.
This is all really disappointing because on paper Bonnie has one of the most interesting backgrounds in TVD. Just think She comes from a matriarchal witch bloodline that goes all the way into biblical times. Her family is responsible for the creation of the other side, the first immortal, the hunters, etc. and the show has many opportunities to take advantage of this. It still annoys me that when Elena left the show they didn’t just have Bonnie take her place as the lead. Like Hello, you have a character that’s been here for seven seasons that the actors who played Stefan and Damon both said they would be interested in exploring a love storyline with, that has plenty of background story for you to explore, but yet they still said no. Also, I’d like to add that I’m not saying she should have gotten with Damon as I know a lot of people prefer them as friends but I just added that to show her desirability amongst the other actors.
And then to add insult to injury when Bonnie saves mystic falls for the final time. They have her character go to Africa. Not any specific country like Nigeria, Egypt, Senegal, or Somalia. Just Africa. It’s like they said, now that you have saved all the white characters you can go back to where you came from.
Exactly what I needed today!!! Thanks Queen!! 🥰🫶
I love a fellow Tyler defender, like I love Klaus as a character but I was always rooting for Tyler and Caroline
Yeah, same. I would have preferred Klaus to end up with Cami (the Originals), but nooo, the fans couldn’t stand Klaus being with anyone but Caroline and had to send Cami’s actress death threats because of the actions of a character she didn’t even write (allegedly why she left the show). Anyway, Tyler and Caroline made more sense to me
@@StellaLoreley the moment Camille became a vampire, I knew they were going to kill her off at some point. But I still hoped that at least Klaus and Camille can live for some time together without worrying about Camille's death from old age I guess, but no they HAD to kill her off because fandom be toxic.
S2 is my favorite Katherine and Klaus was the best thing to happen to tvd
46:20 I usually agree with you on everything but gotta disagree with you on the chemistry 😅 Paul Wesley was specifically chosen to play Stefan out of 50 other guys because of his chemistry with Nina Dobrev. The showrunners themselves said that the chemistry between Stefan and Elena had to be magic in order for the show to work, and this was despite the fact that Paul and Nina didn’t really like each other at first. Behind the scenes relationships don’t always translate into onscreen chemistry-it’s a specific thing that two actors either have or they don’t. A lot of people confuse dynamics with chemistry, which are two different things. Now in regards to their dynamics, I can see why the dynamic between Elena and Damon drew people in more than Elena and Stefan.
I love Paul in the part - BUT he looked and was far too old to play a 17 year old kid. Jeremy the same - no way I could look at him and say yep he's 15
Yea, their season 1 dynamic was fine for the beginning of a relationship + Elena still working through her grief but they should've evolved beyond that (both their dynamic and who they were as individuals) if they had they would've been a much better ship than Delena, which had a better dynamic but none of the shared beliefs/values which would create a healthy successful relationship (which Stelena did have).
This was really interesting. I've never made it past season 3 or 4 so I didn't know about some plot twists etc. Thank you!
Bamon will always be my favorite couple on the show. Kat and Ian had crazy good chemistry together.
Agree, should have been endgame
I loved the first 3 seasons but after that it went down hill I just remember having to buy the dvds for the first two series so I could watch them all and I was able to buy season 3 when they came out on dvds after like a month and I was so excited to watch it. I remember watching those first 3 seasons a lot waiting for the fourth. It’s crazy to think I watched these before streaming services were out 😂. Only 31 but I feel so old already 😂
"the finality of death, which is usually very final" was an unnecessarily funny sentence to me, i love it
😭😂😂
The WORST thing about the whole show was Nina’s wigs in the series finale omfg
i hate her hair and style in seasons 5 & 6 🤢
TVD, sigh .. so much potential, too many misses :/
i miss that whole era of teen drama shows, they dont make good TV Shows like these anymore: The OC, One tree hill, Gossip Girl, Gilmore Girls, Dawsons creek, The vampire diaries, Charmed, buffy the vampire slayer, Smallville, Roswell, KYLE XY, Greek, The secret life of the american teenager, Pretty Little Liars & others.
I will never get over the motel scene! My favorite scene ever!!
Me too
It’s so good
Hearing you say you don’t understand why people like Enzo, I must say I’ve never thought about that, but I totally agree.
I love Enzo but I couldn’t tell you one reason why 😅
Great video by the way (I’m only halfway but still)✨
I’ve seen the show I think two times a few years ago and recently heard a podcast recapping it (doppelgängers podcast - I loved it) and honestly there was so much potential but lately I feel like there just and no shows living up to their potential. Maybe because there are too many different people involved in writing it and there just is no clear vision from the start
The werewolf transformation being the way that it is, is part of the curse Inadu put on them for killing her
My idea of the descendants thing is that like Amara and Silas had family members right like they must’ve, even if they didn’t have siblings like I imagine that they maybe had cousins or aunts so I thought it as more of like a bloodline thing so it didn’t need to be like Direct descendants and that way Amara and Silas wouldn’t of had to have children and also that eliminates the incest thing. Also, I kind of appreciated that they worked on like that entire Silas doppelgänger storyline in the way that they did because I thought it was actually kind of clever to give like a reasoning for doppelgängers and like why they are so special and important and like the balance of nature thing kind of makes sense to me like it’s this mystical thing that they had already previously connected to witchcraft. I don’t know. I just love that the TVDU gave a lot of things origins and like lore, and most of the time I found it quite clever before the hell stuff and the siren stuff and but even that stuff had like good bones to me and it made sense as to why they went in that direction it could’ve just been written better
RIGHT!! It’s like carrying the gene and then it just pops out, because if it’s a blood line thing then their whole origins carry the genes but they don’t show. It’s kind of basic biology
I don't know, I feel like that explanation could work for the doppelgangers who came directly after Silas and Amara but then if we're assuming that they then met and had kids (and all doppelgangers thereafter met and more often than not had kids) it would probably get pretty dang messy. I originally just handwaved it as a plot hole, but thinking about it now they could've just said that Katherine and Elena being related was an anamoly, and usually doppelgangers just occur randomly irregardless of any blood relation. (I feel like this actually would've only enhanced the mysticism of the lore tbh). Since anyway, you'd have to do a lot more mental gymnastics to say that the Amara 'bloodline' originated in ancient Greece then somewhere down the line moved to old-timey Virgina with Tatia and then moved back to Bulgaria with Katherine and THEN somehow wound up back in Virginia with Elena. I get hundreds of years passed and people moved and whatever, but that's a bit convoluted to believe nonetheless.
I also loved the whole Amara and Silas doppelganger explanation, I remember young me losing her mind when Silas's true face was first revealed 😂. My qualms with it was how it invalidated Elena and Stefan's whole relationship and also Klaus was never meant to be usurped as the biggest bad. Like I agree that Katherine should've been the season 8 & 9 villain, the devil was just stupid and unnecessary (not to mention just a boring character). Them undoing the exquisite writing/metaphorical power given to Klaus and Katherine was just tragic.
yeah i agree, when i was a teen watching the series for the first time i thought the lore was amazing.
The chemistry thing is a tricky one. I felt like Elena was very bland and uninteresting so it was hard for me to see chemistry between her and either of the brothers. Overall, I preferred Elena when she was a human and human Elena loved and chose Stefan, so I wanted them together. The show was supposed to end with them because Elena turned back into a human, and human Elena loved Stefan. They just couldn’t pull it off because Nina Dobrev only came back for the finale.
I personally think that the obvious choice for how to approach seasons 7 and 8 was to have Bonnie truly step up as the main character.
It would be truly naive, or rather woefully ignorant, to ignore the obvious racism the writers had and why they always needed to keep Bonnie down and barely developed. They absolutely played favorites and it was quite obvious in those interviews and panels.
She was always super interesting and brought SO much to the show even as the writers ACTIVELY tried to diminish her light, because Kat managed to slay ALL of her scenes and be GORGEOUS despite the horrendous wigs they forced her to wear. And her being elevated here, truly, would have made up for SO much of that.
Instead, we divide our time with a bitter, MOPEY Damon. Yes, I KNOW how popular Delena is, but Lexi (R.I.P) presented a very fascinating concept that vampires don’t just have one “the one” and that there can be multiple “ones.”
Elena’s curse meant nothing. Damon moping over her dragged and was stupid because we all knew she was coming back and that they’d end up together.
The BEST way to shake things up would have been to really allow Bonnie to shine: a character who was ALWAYS there helping everyone else but that we didn’t really get to know who she was outside of her friends and weak love interests. Developing the Bennett line even better, seeing their origins… could have been epic.
We’d never seen anything like it, and it would have been WAY more interesting than “life is no fun without Elena,” and the girl isn’t even dead and most of you are VAMPIRES! SHUT UP, lmao! 🤣
Bonnie and Damon should’ve just dated. She’d eventually die and Elena would come back and Damon could be with her again if he so chose. I also just think that for younger viewers, it’s not the best thing to always imply that your FIRST or second love are the one’s you HAVE to be with.
Normalize romantics and romance to having experiences, meeting other people who have a fighting chance, and then seeing what works best.
Bonnie and Damon’s evolution was the SLOWEST burn and it was only natural that they would at least get together, even if they didn’t stay together to the end. Ian Somerhalder aka Damon HIMSELF supported the ship and knew that it would have been BEYOND fresh beyond the ENDLESS Damon and Elena or Stefan and Elena (who were a better match btw, they wanted the same things in life) and the blasted love triangle.
The writers THEMSELVES admitted to keeping characters around even if they served no purpose anymore, played favorites, and ruined their own potential as a result.
People liked Bonnie. Many would have welcomed more attention being given to her and care for both character and actress, both for which there was NONE. So much new ground to cover.
Just like most everyone liked Bonnie and Damon being friends (even those who weren’t shipping them romantically. Side note, not at you Serena, but countless other folks saw people shipping Bamon and folks responded with “why can’t men and women just be friends?” I always ask, well why couldn’t Damon and Elena just be friends? Flirting and chemistry? Sure? Even tension. But SOULMATES? I just don’t believe it), because it was FRESH.
I completely agree with your analysis. It would be so great if Bonnie became main character for last two seasons, but damn racist writters and producers on show. Also, it would have been great seeing Bonnie and Damon getting together cuz they really had something special. Last thing, i love that theory that vampires can have more than one special person through their long lives.
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Nah they could've never done that, if they had actually made Bonnie the main character and given her the writing she deserves it would've been far to obvious how much better of a main character she is/how much Elena sucks in comparison (sorry Elena, you were also a victim of bad writing), they would've been shooting themselves in the foot if they made her the MC. (just imagining an alternate reality where Bonnie was always the MC 😭)
This is something that proves the racism of the show to me. The fact that they wouldn’t even entertain the idea of Bonnie and Damon being a couple even though 1. they exist in the books 2. they had a lot of tension / chemistry and would be a lot more believable than Steroline and all of the other unnecessary couples we got 3. they could have very easily had both Bonnie and Elena be two great loves of Damon’s life because Elena and Bonnie’s lives were tied together so Damon could have enjoyed life with both of them since he’s immortal and Bonnie’s not. If they were concerned about pissing off the Delena fans, they could have had both pairings done without dishonoring anyone. It literally makes no sense other than Bonnie’s black so we can’t.
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I don't know why but in this video you gave me a lot of Claire Holt vibes!
Good videos as always!
Love you! ☺️ that’s rly sweet
OOOOHH I need to see you review The Originals now!
Bonnie did not die in the season 2 episode where Klaus attacks them in Alaric’s body. Damon and Bonnie concoct a plan to fool Klaus into believing he has killed Bonnie aka the group’s “Biggest Weapon” and only potential threat to foiling his plan to break the hybrid curse, bc they know Klaus will keep coming as long as he believes Bonnie is alive. So Bonnie secretly placed a protection spell on herself and put on a big magic show to fool Klaus and Elena into thinking she had died by overexerting herself with magic. She stopped her own heart bc it had to appear real to Klaus and her friends so Klaus would have no reason to doubt it was all for show. Much like Luka used magic to fake unbinding the moon stone and how Bonnie fakes de-powering the Gilbert device in season 1, it was just a performance to make it appear as if Elena’s group had lost their strongest and only weapon.
This is what she did when she ran off with Damon at the dance before confronting Klaus.
A similar situation is used on season 1 of The Originals when Davina kills a handful of witches at the church after they hurt Cami. Marcel shows up and finds the bodies just as Sabine awakens from her “death”. Sabine confirms to Marcel that she used a protection spell on herself before confronting Davina and then admitted to constantly using one since the Originals arrived in town.
The one thing I hated was the ending of Katherine character. She was my favorite character. I wish they did more with Bonnie character. The one thing I hate was how evil actions was forgiven just because they were part of the main cast.
Throughout most of history at 15 you were considered an adult. I understand in modern times things are different but historically that was normal.
I HATE the Travelers and the cure plots and everything that happens because they put Silas in s4. I love TVD with all my heart, but I hate how they broke the world and the rules they created in the next seasons. It should have ended with the Originals leaving in season 4 (maybe with Klaus alive for the spin-off and without the magical pregnancy) and Elena dealing with being a vampire. And I was rooting for a redemption arc for Katherine or a better ending as a villain at least.
I really hated the travelers storyline - stupid. Also i absolutely hated the whole Caroline/twins thing - that was a whole new level of stupidity. I really couldn't deal with her for most of the series. She was irritating to me and yes I know she's popular. I hated Alaric once he changed - it was ridiculous. The writers were soooooo locked into Damon and Elena being together they couldn't accept that Elena should have died when Nina left.
I wish they let Bonnie have an actual love interest her character needed someone else to elevate her character it felt like Bonnie wasn’t liked
33:33 truer words have never been spoken
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As much as the Sylas arc was insane and nonsensical. Him locking Stefan in a safe for like 3 months and dropping him at the bottom of a quarry and being forced to drown over and over again is metal af
Nothing will ever be funnier to me than you posing in an outfit in your thumbnail completely unrelated to anything that you wear in the actual video 💀 I promise this isn't shade, it genuinely entertains me
I’m trying to be more consistent with this but sometimes the style and colour of the top doesn’t fit with the show’s promo image 😭😂
16:15 CLOCK IT QUEEN!!!!!
He’s literal trash irl but Alaric was fun to watch when the show was airing
After everything that’s come out after the show it’s so hard to like him when he’s on screen now
Gurly u saved my evening with this juicyyy video❤️🤝🏻
YESSS I JUST SUBBED TO U AND I WAS WAITING ON THIS TVD VIDEO IVE BEEN BINGING THE TVD PLAYLIST
Love you!!
Kevin Williamson left during season 3 and I think that’s when the writing went downhill.
Would have been so much better had he stayed on
For me the show ended when Elena turned and the whole one brother or the other started
Been waiting so long for this video love enjoyed every single second of it gurl! 🥰
Could you do a deep dive into never have I ever? I love your videos and I'm so happy your getting more and more recognition
Will you do a video on the originals?
hot take: a lot of this shows issues would be solved if it weren't for trying to turn delena into this odds defying, passionate relationship. it literally affected every character in a negative way. everything literally stemmed back to delena and how they were together and things the two of them did and other people did because of the relationship. also elena's character doesn't get the luxury of being explored outside of the love triangle, whereas damon and stefan do (wheter its effective is besides the point lol). i think a lot of the annoying traits of her character come from lack of context and not being fully fleshed out. everything is because of stefan and damon and how obsessed they are with her. honestly fix that and the show is already 10 times better in my opinion because the protagonist actually has depth instead of the two men beside her being her whole character.
also, they had fire in a bottle with katherine's character, and while i really like her, theres a whole bunch of wasted potential there. after season 2, maybe season 3, her villain arc is very forced and she should've been the antihero they desperately wanted damon and klaus to be.
PLEASE PLEASE DO A VIDEO ON RAISING DION. It was such an underrated good show that was cancelled after two seasons. Go in just knowing it’s about how a mom finds out her son has superpowers and her discovering her husband’s secrets. It’s on Netflix
Klaus saved it for me. When he left.. there was no reason to keep watching.
rebekah in the vampire diaries is hella annoying-so whiny and for what? like she’s thousands of years old and she’s still acting like a teenager. like i think that was sort of the point because she was kinda robbed of her life by running from her father and by being daggered by klaus etc, but it doesn’t make it any less annoying.
she’s better in the originals from what i remember
Imo, season 4 had potential to be good the execution was terrible especially when they added Silas...Season 6 for me was the redeeming season for the show a little bit because of Kai, Damon and Bonnie. Season 7, I honestly skipped most of it, same for Season 8 it was just awful. But I watched the finale for Katherine being back which was not perfect but fine.... Honestly Elena leaving really did affect the show imo... But honestly, for me, seasons 1, 2, and 3 are the best🎉
Ughh Klaus and Caroline. Wish they changed the arc after season 3. The introduction to The Originals was amazing. So sad after season 3 it goes downhill.
Still remember reading Klaroline fanfics on AO3
If we think about it, is it really that gross of Matt David to make the comment about Elena and Alaric considering they put Alaric and Caroline together lol?
I always drop off after they go to college. It just isn't the same.
Jenna did have a purpose. She was the legal guardian for Elena and Jeremy. I remember being very sad when she died, cause I liked her a lot
I think Caroline was a good character in the books, too, for the purposes she was created in the books, but she is definitely better and more sympathetic in the show.
I want to like Jeremy so bad, too, but he's just... meh... I'm sorry, at some point the character lost purpose and justification to be a part in the story, they had just nothing to do with him anymore, and it shows xD
Ian like Joseph didn't want to be a good guy and the show messes up by them claiming Elena and Caroline make them better when in fact they seem act worse specifically when they don't get their way. Also Kevin Williamson went on record that Damon snapping Jeremy's neck should ended Delena as an endgame and Julie even on record that the sirebond was there way around that as Damon still did too much heinous shit to Elena for Delena to naturally get together. This show is very anti-black even in the first season with how much confederacy glamorization going on that was a writer's choice as bookwise Salvatores are Italians. Also knowing that multiple actors pitched being paired with Bonnie romantically, only for the writers to throw Caroline or another white actress at them will leave a sour taste in my mouth.
Like any deep dive I disagree with some points, but agree with others. Finally someone who understands Tyler and how he is overhated by the fandom. Finally someone who actually sees what Damon did to Caroline was wrong and they downplayed it because of how attractive and mesmerizing Ian is. But how can you not like my girl Rebekah! I hope you plan to watch the Originals. The show is way more consistant than TVD, especially with the villains in my opinion.
Yeah I love vampire diaries season one-six because they have everything in every season and yeah because Elena there through every six seasons.
All these actor's flopped after the show ended all exapct kat graham and juli plec cant make a good a show anymore she left legacies to make anthor vampire school show and that got canceled quick
I've been watching ur videos for months! How come i only realized you were Australian when you mentioned it!😮
I'm one of the weirdos who really felt the chemistry between Elena and Stefan. Damon and Elena had a few moments, but I mostly found them to be annoying together
Great video as always :)
19:13 It’s funny because Paul Wesley raised the exact same issue, but he then just said “well, the story needed to go one way, and we sort of followed it”.
The whole time being like Elena is the worst thing about the show and then we get to the seasons without her and realising that she kinda is the show.
The show lost me a little after killing Katherine but then season 6 had some good moments and I was back into it only to end on such a terrible season was such a let down. I'm forever annoyed about almost everyone becoming human in the finale, it was so unbelievably stupid and terrible. The cure should never have been been brought into the show though I loved the journey to getting it.
Caroline as a human? Okay. As a vampire? She was born to be one. She was so badass.
Katherine stole the show for me. I never not rooted for her. She was the only good thing about the finale.
Rebecca gets better in the Originals like Hayley does.
Can you do a video about if you were one of the writers for the show, how you would have things play out season to season? I'm just curious what your The Vampire Diaries would look like as you have some great points! Also will you be doing a deep dive into The Originals show?
Vampire Diaries should have ended with season 4 imo. I feel the showrunners or the TV network got greedy and tried to milk more money from a story that was already at the end. I remember enjoying the first 3 saesons so much. Season 4 was ok, but I hated most of season 5. Season 6 was a good come back, I kinda liked it. But at season 7 I completly gave up and never finnished the show.
I hated Alaric he always rubbed me the worng way and i was right the why his character turns out in legacies is just horrible matt too
I would love if you did a deep dive series on gossip girl and glee, I think there is so much content there and I’d love to hear your opinions
I can’t stop thinking about this show
The thing with Tyler is I could never get past the fact he looks so much like Zoolander. He's the embodiment of what Ben Stiller was going for. I couldn't take anything with him as straightforward when all I can think is Blue Steel.
Paul Wesley is vegan? omg!! I'm so happy!
it makes you love him even more, right? 🥰
I don't agree at many points however it was enjoyable to listen to your opinion
Love you, Serena
i love you too!
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