Speaking of Miquilla... Some lore would suggest he used Mohg's Body to bring back THE BIG MAN.... given Mohg was used, a question is raised, involving a certain... possibly highly useful item... and if popping it off would actually stop the big man's rampage? It is a twin to Morgots Shackle.
@ravoniesravenshir3926 I believe he copied ranni (marika) with what they did to godwyn to get her outside of the purview of the erdtree, to radahn, by killing him and putting his body into moghs after miquella snatches it after we kill him :P As for the item, it more seems to break you out if his charm grab :P
Oooh, the idea of a crucible as a sort of hotspot of magical power reminds me of the way the primeval current is described. Actually, the Spira spell description uses the word current too, and in reference to its crucible. Maybe the primeval current is a crucible, born of the collective vestigal life of stars?
Do you know Final Fantasy X? My first thought, when I saw that spell, was of it and the abstract nature of the world there ("Spira") - I don't want to spoil it for anyone tho 😅
@@ScumMageInfa hmm haha one of the twists is "it was all a dream" ... OR WAS IT? XD I think there's a some similar esoteric/religious symbolism, but it's used differently.. I could see that world (FFX, Spira) being another alternate-universe branch of the same epic-tree. I'll have to think on this some more 🤯🤭👀
Something to add that the names of the crucible knights - Ordovis and Siluria are named after periods of time. “The emergence of terrestrial life” You should really look at the names of the characters and their meanings. It helps understand the story. Melina - garden or field of fruit/honey. But also opposite of Malenia. If her name was Melenia, it would mean goddess of ghost and spirits. Think Gloam eyed queen… black flame (ghost flame) - reason why her eye is purple and why she would gift torrent to you. Miquella means “the one who passes the message of god” or “the one who is like god” Malenia - could mean goddess blade - but also “heir of sun” - or oddly enough could sadly mean “without grace” - mal - enia. Maybe why she’s rotting. Marika means “Star of the sea” and “Child we wished for” or really “First daughter of the sea” - someone speculated it could mean mar + ika = to mar / spoil or tear something and ika meaning golden. (Too far of a stretch for me) - but their rationale is “to spoil or tear apart a land that’s golden” or “letting the world tarnish” List goes on. But compelling.
An interesting real-life parallel to the idea of the Crucible and the Erdtree I recently found is the concept in Evolutionary Biology called the "Darwinian Threshold". Essentially, very early on in the history of life, primitive cells reproduced and propagated primarily through horizontal gene transfer rather than vertical gene transfer (i.e. reproduction). As such, cells could freely trade genetic information between one another regardless of whether they're related (like how the crucible can bestow traits from many different species). There weren't really any distinct "species" or "lineages" and all life was essentially blended together - like a crucible. Eventually, however, there was a point called the Darwinian Threshold where vertical gene transfer overtook the horizontal kind as the predominant mode, and life split into a number of distinct phylogenetic "trees" - almost literally, the tree of life was "born" from a chaotic soup of indistinct and blender together genetic information. Sounds pretty familiar, eh? You can read more about it here: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwinian_threshold
I think you are right. There's somewhere written that the one great was fractured, that's why it's all creatures, then the rest were the gates to divinity
To me, the crucible is like a mixing pot of all life that everything has spawned from, which is why it has all these natural features as it’s symbols. Everyone else is just trying to replicate it like a ritual.
@@ScumMageInfaReally? 🤨 I don't think any character or practice in Souls games should be "praised" (except the justice of the Darkmoons, for PERSONAL HEADCANON)... Even DS' sun isn't a "proper" good thing...
Another way to look at this is to compare the crucibles to a real life process called the Middle Way, and the pertaining process of integrating. Basically, the Middle Way is avoiding absolute views (both negative and positive) and integration is the harmoniously bringing together of the different aspects of your inner life and also bringing more harmony between our inner desires vs the conditions of our surrounding world and the desires of others. Failure to integrate leads to absolutized views, i.e. to the preference of certain ideas at the cost of the exclusion of all others. Now we do not have to think very hard to find many characters with this trait in Elden Ring and the Soulsborne games in general. This is a very human experience that all of us experience at different intensities at different times. This could explain the tension between the Crucible and the Golden Order, the former containing more varied aspects, and the latter being a more absolute view, and also the intolerance of the Golden Order towards competing ideas. Since the total amount of inner ideas and outer conditions that need to be brought together is potentially infinite, I rather like the idea of there being multiple crucibles to match the specific needs and conditions of the people and beings involved. On a last note, in the Middle Way, the God archetype (any god, not just the Christian one) signifies our potential for integration, our being able to be more integrated than before. So you might be onto something when you say that the end goal of a crucible is to bring about something greater - be that a god or something else. Although in real life, perfect integration is of course not possible - our different desires are too varied for that. This might be the reason why a god in Elden Ring always seems to be a flawed being. Take Miquella, for example, who abandons some very important aspects of himself (love arguably the biggest of them) for greater power - yet at what cost? He achieves this goal at the expense of his own formerly more integrated self and possibly also the free will of everybody else who might have opposing desires to his. Maybe it is better to remain a less powerful and more flawed, but also more aware of wider conditions and therefore more integrated normal human being. All that being said, great video! It came at the exact right time for me and raises some very interesting ideas.
To further add to the coherence of this theory, Godfrey and his grafting rituals are also in essence a form of crucible -- through sacrificing other lives and merging them into one's own body he is attempting to rise closer to godhood. The small piles of corpses in his castle (compared to everything else later in the game) are but an early taste of this massive system of ritual sacrifice culture, unveiled step by step in later parts of the game. Even the fire giants, their gigantic cauldron must also be for purposes none other than sacrificial rituals. Hard to imagine the cauldron would be used to cook food. The fire giant boss fight makes a hint to this by sacrificing his own body parts, which alone allows him access to powers of the fell god. Hard to imagine what power they were able to gain via the giant fire forge (crucible) of such scale atop the mountain, when the content of the crucible would be not only arms and legs of a single giant... Even sacrifice of a single life has created power, especially that of a god or a demigod. Ranni cheated death by sacrificing her half brother. And Miquella sacrificed Mohg to revive Radahn in his full glory. Smaller scale, but same principle. The Nox, by sacrificing a god, gained the power to slay another god. The examples really runs on unending. Marika says to her children, if you fail to become something, you will be forsaken and merely amount to sacrifices. This is explaining the rules of crucible games in this world in a literal sense. Her children will either become the god of the age or mere burning fuel. Given G.R.R.M is part of the development of these lores, it makes total sense that his obsession with human sacrifices in ASOIAF is being transferred over into ER. ASOIAF is full of examples of human sacrifices as a source of great magical power. This is most likely inspired by real historical practices of human sacrifices, found in early human civilizations, that are hard to illustrate in any history books. No wonder Marika would want to hide all its memory into the shadow. After all, what is the point of the civilization advancing in gold if its very foundation is written in blood? I've been obsessed with this channel lately, great videos and excellent attention to detail!!
5:15 If I'm not mistaken/if it matters those Ancestral Followers made the area around the rivers home well after the collapse of the Ancient Dynasty/Dynasties, so regardless of their current belief system and connection with those ancestral spirits they're not the ones who built the cities there
I love how no one agrees on Marika's first child. I've seen Morgott/Mogh, Godwyn and Messmer. Godrick's Great Rune states "the first demigods were The Elden Lord Godfrey and his offspring, the golden lineage" and it's notable that it's described as the anchor ring and found in the center of the Elden Ring. Since Godrick is a descendant of Godwyn, I think that makes him the firstborn of the golden lineage. Morgott's great rune is the anchor ring and houses the base, stating that he was "born of the golden lineage" but I think that Godwyn was first because Godrick is a classic case of nepotism, where he fashions himself based on one relative and seizes a great rune off the accomplishments of another. I think the DLC and some timeline sorting makes sense of Godwyn being the firstborn. Him being the only explicit child of Marika (non Carian) who isn't afflicted with some serious handicap makes me feel like Godwyn was born during the Age of Plenty, and that Mogh/Morgott were born either right at the end of that brief period (as an auspicious sign) or right after (as a cosmic mark of defiance against the Golden Order). After that Messmer and Melina are born, the third and fourth cursed children of Marika, which prompts Marika to use Radagon to bring the Carians into the fold. It also has the bonus of providing her with healthy children that she can take when needed. She sends Messmer off either right before, during or right after Godfrey and the Tarnished are banished, the recalls Radagon to have two more children after he's named Elden Lord, but of course they're also cursed despite being chosen later as Empyreans. I feel like no one talks about the fact that the Fingers/Metyr chose three new Empyreans from her children. Marika seems to have scraped and clawed her way to the top, and I wouldn't be surprised if she straight up stole her godhood and then waged war on everyone around her. But I feel like she must have been scrambling toward the end, having a good idea that Ranni was more interested in the Moons, that Malenia wasn't a stable vessel (which itself is curious, like why choose her if she's falling apart unless Rot is somehow essential as a balancing element) and that Miquella was becoming disillusioned. I think part of why she finally chose to shatter the Elden Ring was to replicate the more dangerous world she came from and/or grew up in. I'm not sure if she wants to sever from the Golden Order and ascend to a level above the other Outer Gods and below the Greater Will if she's just obsessed with keeping her vast influence ever more relevant and timeless.
And this explains the dominance of the Golden Order of the Erdtree, where all other Crucibles are mortals sacrificing other mortals for their own benefit in an attempt at achieving Divinity, the Erdtree is the act of a God sacrificing _itself_ for the good of mortals, which in turn inspires faith and self-sacrifice, causing the energies within the Crucible to merge far more harmoniously.
Oooo that's a very nice idea. Especially since the Erdtree seems to be almost grafted onto a tree if you look at it. Funnily enough I think this was still the result of many mortals being sacrificed as the erdtree burials shows, but maybe they went for a quality over quantity route hahaha I think using a crucible to form the erdtree, which is basically a powerhouse for the elden ring, was a power move towards a monopoly of the Greater Will.
I am genuinely wondering how you think the Erdtree was created? I don't think Marika sacrificed herself for this purpose, in fact, by the looks of the famous cutscene it looks far different and probably more sinister than than we know. Also remember a crucible is a melting pot of different things, so by definition more than one thing has to go into it.
Its there more a way that the Crucible is one thing and it just invoked in different ways? The Primordial Crucible seems to be one thing that is the source of all evolution. The magic is just used differently by different cultures. I never thought of it as seperate so I fine this a super interesting take
ProforProf has an excellent video about Bayle and the Forge of the Fell God. It may inspire some connections regarding the magma spill on the Divine Towers and the Titanic corpses. I’d be interested to see what you make of it
Solid but I think this could have benefitted from acknowledging that The Crucible is also pretty well defined as being some form of primeval energy, as well as a ritual by which this energy is accessed. Basically the difference between uppercase The Crucible (the primeval energy itself) & lowercase a crucible (the ritual by which said energy is accessed). As it stands, conflating the two things makes this analysis feel a tad bit incomplete.
@@UmbraDiSol interesting isn't it The way it's described is "crucible current", so a crucible perhaps makes or is a current (of souls) I would still argue they are crucibles, and spira is a manifestation of the "current" produced by a crucible, or a mimic of it.
@@ScumMageInfa eh, then we wouldn't constantly refer to it as THE crucible. It would be A crucible, and there would be more explicit references to many. As it is, we have the "mother of crucibles" and... THE Crucible. There might be mundane crucibles, but not Capital Letter Crucibles.
Holy crap, he's done it. Volume sounds perfect! (maybe even an excuse to re-upload your original videos with corrected sound, a free chance to double dip lol)
Would like your take on something. The backside of the glintstone cluster in the lake of rot (where the ground is partially modeled and included in the map so this may be deliberate) looks like a divine gate. Does this tie in with anything?
@@MemeMan_MEMESQUAD I have always thought the goant stalagmite beneath raya lucaria is the remains of an ancient tree :P What makes you think divine gate?
@@ScumMageInfa the part of the model you can't see has the same shape as the divine gate, and the glintstone/rot implies SOMETHING happened in that area so I wonder if it's a coincidence. You're about the expert on the crucibles right now I'd say, so I was wondering what you thought. Possibly a bit of a stretch though...
@MemeMan_MEMESQUAD Oh you 🤭 No, it isn't a stretch at all. I agree the back of that "totally not stump" looks like the opening of the divine gate. A pity it's at the BACK lol but nonetheless, there are many things out of sight regarding trees that are frankly astonishing. The Great Tree is a fine example of this. I have a video I'm (hopefully) about to drop on the topic and its... vast.... I am still convinced the rot there is the run off from the nameless eternal city- but I find it difficult to reconcile what to me looks exactly like a tree Stump. I am half of the mind that the divine gate is a very similar mechanism- given the great trees are fed by soul and body returning to the root-- and the divine gate is comprised of those very things. Between two trees, do we find divinity.
Correct me if im wrong, but wouldnt “natural born” imply that they are bastards? Were Marika and Godfrey not married at the time of mogh and morgott’s births?
@christophercortez7191 By natural born I mean, not a portion of her soul she ripped out and turned into a living horcrux :P See my video "marikas great escape" for context if you would like that explained hahaha :D
Yooo... Idk if you mentioned it, but... Yahar'gul and the Mensis ritual... I was thinking of that strange place whilst staring at the pillars of Enir-Ilim... the bodies all melted together into the architecture. Very spooky, and definitely Crucible-iferous.. XD
@@ScumMageInfa oooohhh 🙈👀😍🤯🥰 it's my favourite one! Your eyes are yet to open ... but I'm sure you'll enjoy it when you do get there! I might have a few vids of it myself 👀 mostly raw gameplay. I was gonna stream a playthrough but the wifi is a bit dodgy out here XD
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I disagree a bit with your wording; rather I would say it is one crucible with many aspects. Kind of like how the Hindu pantheon has one god in many aspects/avatars
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Aaaaand the sun's coming up.
Dear God, what have I done. 😂
Speaking of Miquilla... Some lore would suggest he used Mohg's Body to bring back THE BIG MAN.... given Mohg was used, a question is raised, involving a certain... possibly highly useful item... and if popping it off would actually stop the big man's rampage? It is a twin to Morgots Shackle.
@ravoniesravenshir3926 I believe he copied ranni (marika) with what they did to godwyn to get her outside of the purview of the erdtree, to radahn, by killing him and putting his body into moghs after miquella snatches it after we kill him :P
As for the item, it more seems to break you out if his charm grab :P
Oooh, the idea of a crucible as a sort of hotspot of magical power reminds me of the way the primeval current is described. Actually, the Spira spell description uses the word current too, and in reference to its crucible. Maybe the primeval current is a crucible, born of the collective vestigal life of stars?
Do you know Final Fantasy X? My first thought, when I saw that spell, was of it and the abstract nature of the world there ("Spira") - I don't want to spoil it for anyone tho 😅
@@madmorgo6233 TELL MEEEE
100%!! Absolutely, I believe the primeval current is the crucible of the stars.
@@ScumMageInfa hmm haha one of the twists is "it was all a dream" ... OR WAS IT? XD
I think there's a some similar esoteric/religious symbolism, but it's used differently.. I could see that world (FFX, Spira) being another alternate-universe branch of the same epic-tree. I'll have to think on this some more 🤯🤭👀
@@madmorgo6233 Show me your video if/when you do it! You totally should!
The humans making the divkne gate and the beastmen in the walls in farum azula has to be a huge connection not discovered yet!
Right??
I'm LOVING this new DLC Lore.
Something to add that the names of the crucible knights - Ordovis and Siluria are named after periods of time. “The emergence of terrestrial life”
You should really look at the names of the characters and their meanings. It helps understand the story.
Melina - garden or field of fruit/honey. But also opposite of Malenia. If her name was Melenia, it would mean goddess of ghost and spirits. Think Gloam eyed queen… black flame (ghost flame) - reason why her eye is purple and why she would gift torrent to you.
Miquella means “the one who passes the message of god” or “the one who is like god”
Malenia - could mean goddess blade - but also “heir of sun” - or oddly enough could sadly mean “without grace” - mal - enia. Maybe why she’s rotting.
Marika means “Star of the sea” and “Child we wished for” or really “First daughter of the sea” - someone speculated it could mean mar + ika = to mar / spoil or tear something and ika meaning golden. (Too far of a stretch for me) - but their rationale is “to spoil or tear apart a land that’s golden” or “letting the world tarnish”
List goes on. But compelling.
An interesting real-life parallel to the idea of the Crucible and the Erdtree I recently found is the concept in Evolutionary Biology called the "Darwinian Threshold".
Essentially, very early on in the history of life, primitive cells reproduced and propagated primarily through horizontal gene transfer rather than vertical gene transfer (i.e. reproduction). As such, cells could freely trade genetic information between one another regardless of whether they're related (like how the crucible can bestow traits from many different species). There weren't really any distinct "species" or "lineages" and all life was essentially blended together - like a crucible.
Eventually, however, there was a point called the Darwinian Threshold where vertical gene transfer overtook the horizontal kind as the predominant mode, and life split into a number of distinct phylogenetic "trees" - almost literally, the tree of life was "born" from a chaotic soup of indistinct and blender together genetic information. Sounds pretty familiar, eh?
You can read more about it here:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwinian_threshold
Oh that's awesome, thankyou 😁
I think you are right. There's somewhere written that the one great was fractured, that's why it's all creatures, then the rest were the gates to divinity
Is that the madness maiden that says that? About the one whole?
@ScumMageInfa yes!
yeah , hyetta ,when she divines the word of three fingers about fracture , then the greater will made a mistake , and so on
The most coherent theory about crucibles I've ever seen.
Interesting so this is some fundamental universe rule of merging quantity into quality.
@@graphemelucid8407 yesssss
some method of ascendence.. or like... coalescing power to achieve something grand in nature.
All divisions of the one
first video ive seen talking about the crucible/crucibles in this way. good video.
Thankyou ^_^ It is such an interesting topic I enjoyed making the video a lot.
To me, the crucible is like a mixing pot of all life that everything has spawned from, which is why it has all these natural features as it’s symbols. Everyone else is just trying to replicate it like a ritual.
Basically that, yeah - And you see it even distilled further in the finger maidens :P So just another copy of this phenomenon!
It amazes me how you can find such niche details and unravel them into such broad swathes of the story. Mega impressed with your theorycraft!
As always thankyou K8 ♡
Soon the Gentle Crusade will rise.
@@ScumMageInfa let us carve a kinder world out with steel, cunning, wit & charm
infinite crucible time
We are all crucibles...
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@@ScumMageInfaa crucible for every pot; we all can become saints yet….
@@quazymoodo8452 PRAISE THE JARS
@@ScumMageInfaReally? 🤨 I don't think any character or practice in Souls games should be "praised" (except the justice of the Darkmoons, for PERSONAL HEADCANON)... Even DS' sun isn't a "proper" good thing...
Another way to look at this is to compare the crucibles to a real life process called the Middle Way, and the pertaining process of integrating. Basically, the Middle Way is avoiding absolute views (both negative and positive) and integration is the harmoniously bringing together of the different aspects of your inner life and also bringing more harmony between our inner desires vs the conditions of our surrounding world and the desires of others.
Failure to integrate leads to absolutized views, i.e. to the preference of certain ideas at the cost of the exclusion of all others. Now we do not have to think very hard to find many characters with this trait in Elden Ring and the Soulsborne games in general. This is a very human experience that all of us experience at different intensities at different times.
This could explain the tension between the Crucible and the Golden Order, the former containing more varied aspects, and the latter being a more absolute view, and also the intolerance of the Golden Order towards competing ideas.
Since the total amount of inner ideas and outer conditions that need to be brought together is potentially infinite, I rather like the idea of there being multiple crucibles to match the specific needs and conditions of the people and beings involved.
On a last note, in the Middle Way, the God archetype (any god, not just the Christian one) signifies our potential for integration, our being able to be more integrated than before. So you might be onto something when you say that the end goal of a crucible is to bring about something greater - be that a god or something else.
Although in real life, perfect integration is of course not possible - our different desires are too varied for that. This might be the reason why a god in Elden Ring always seems to be a flawed being. Take Miquella, for example, who abandons some very important aspects of himself (love arguably the biggest of them) for greater power - yet at what cost? He achieves this goal at the expense of his own formerly more integrated self and possibly also the free will of everybody else who might have opposing desires to his.
Maybe it is better to remain a less powerful and more flawed, but also more aware of wider conditions and therefore more integrated normal human being.
All that being said, great video! It came at the exact right time for me and raises some very interesting ideas.
To further add to the coherence of this theory, Godfrey and his grafting rituals are also in essence a form of crucible -- through sacrificing other lives and merging them into one's own body he is attempting to rise closer to godhood. The small piles of corpses in his castle (compared to everything else later in the game) are but an early taste of this massive system of ritual sacrifice culture, unveiled step by step in later parts of the game.
Even the fire giants, their gigantic cauldron must also be for purposes none other than sacrificial rituals. Hard to imagine the cauldron would be used to cook food. The fire giant boss fight makes a hint to this by sacrificing his own body parts, which alone allows him access to powers of the fell god. Hard to imagine what power they were able to gain via the giant fire forge (crucible) of such scale atop the mountain, when the content of the crucible would be not only arms and legs of a single giant...
Even sacrifice of a single life has created power, especially that of a god or a demigod. Ranni cheated death by sacrificing her half brother. And Miquella sacrificed Mohg to revive Radahn in his full glory. Smaller scale, but same principle. The Nox, by sacrificing a god, gained the power to slay another god. The examples really runs on unending.
Marika says to her children, if you fail to become something, you will be forsaken and merely amount to sacrifices. This is explaining the rules of crucible games in this world in a literal sense. Her children will either become the god of the age or mere burning fuel.
Given G.R.R.M is part of the development of these lores, it makes total sense that his obsession with human sacrifices in ASOIAF is being transferred over into ER. ASOIAF is full of examples of human sacrifices as a source of great magical power. This is most likely inspired by real historical practices of human sacrifices, found in early human civilizations, that are hard to illustrate in any history books. No wonder Marika would want to hide all its memory into the shadow. After all, what is the point of the civilization advancing in gold if its very foundation is written in blood?
I've been obsessed with this channel lately, great videos and excellent attention to detail!!
I think you're on to something. It's like an imitation of the frenzied flame without the burning and madness.
The big bang from the "great whole" 😊
wait wait wait when does melina use aspect of the crucible bloom???? she uses minor erdtree and as far as i know doesn't cast anything else?
In the fight with Morgot!
I had a clip in the video of it, though it wasn't an exceptional one hahaha
@@ScumMageInfa Literally never saw this lmao
Nice catch
5:15 If I'm not mistaken/if it matters those Ancestral Followers made the area around the rivers home well after the collapse of the Ancient Dynasty/Dynasties, so regardless of their current belief system and connection with those ancestral spirits they're not the ones who built the cities there
These kinds of unique theories are my favourites!
6:38 there's a secret crucible aspect sprouting off the godskin noble's back 😂
More content!!! Keep it up man loving this stuff
Thankyou! Got another huge one coming up next week so stay tuned :D
Your vids have been the most inspired takes on Elden Ring in a long time. Good shit 💖
Just a thought but the living jars could possibly be mini crucibles, or sometimes larger crucibles,in the case of the great jar.
I love how no one agrees on Marika's first child. I've seen Morgott/Mogh, Godwyn and Messmer. Godrick's Great Rune states "the first demigods were The Elden Lord Godfrey and his offspring, the golden lineage" and it's notable that it's described as the anchor ring and found in the center of the Elden Ring. Since Godrick is a descendant of Godwyn, I think that makes him the firstborn of the golden lineage. Morgott's great rune is the anchor ring and houses the base, stating that he was "born of the golden lineage" but I think that Godwyn was first because Godrick is a classic case of nepotism, where he fashions himself based on one relative and seizes a great rune off the accomplishments of another.
I think the DLC and some timeline sorting makes sense of Godwyn being the firstborn. Him being the only explicit child of Marika (non Carian) who isn't afflicted with some serious handicap makes me feel like Godwyn was born during the Age of Plenty, and that Mogh/Morgott were born either right at the end of that brief period (as an auspicious sign) or right after (as a cosmic mark of defiance against the Golden Order). After that Messmer and Melina are born, the third and fourth cursed children of Marika, which prompts Marika to use Radagon to bring the Carians into the fold. It also has the bonus of providing her with healthy children that she can take when needed. She sends Messmer off either right before, during or right after Godfrey and the Tarnished are banished, the recalls Radagon to have two more children after he's named Elden Lord, but of course they're also cursed despite being chosen later as Empyreans.
I feel like no one talks about the fact that the Fingers/Metyr chose three new Empyreans from her children. Marika seems to have scraped and clawed her way to the top, and I wouldn't be surprised if she straight up stole her godhood and then waged war on everyone around her. But I feel like she must have been scrambling toward the end, having a good idea that Ranni was more interested in the Moons, that Malenia wasn't a stable vessel (which itself is curious, like why choose her if she's falling apart unless Rot is somehow essential as a balancing element) and that Miquella was becoming disillusioned. I think part of why she finally chose to shatter the Elden Ring was to replicate the more dangerous world she came from and/or grew up in. I'm not sure if she wants to sever from the Golden Order and ascend to a level above the other Outer Gods and below the Greater Will if she's just obsessed with keeping her vast influence ever more relevant and timeless.
Very interesting theory. Is it possible the Misbegotten of Castle Mourne were attempting a crucible?
LOL That would be wild, since they are all basically praying around that giant pile or corpses.
And this explains the dominance of the Golden Order of the Erdtree, where all other Crucibles are mortals sacrificing other mortals for their own benefit in an attempt at achieving Divinity, the Erdtree is the act of a God sacrificing _itself_ for the good of mortals, which in turn inspires faith and self-sacrifice, causing the energies within the Crucible to merge far more harmoniously.
Oooo that's a very nice idea. Especially since the Erdtree seems to be almost grafted onto a tree if you look at it.
Funnily enough I think this was still the result of many mortals being sacrificed as the erdtree burials shows, but maybe they went for a quality over quantity route hahaha
I think using a crucible to form the erdtree, which is basically a powerhouse for the elden ring, was a power move towards a monopoly of the Greater Will.
Hmmm merging harmoniously... Now whose fesh doess that?...
I am genuinely wondering how you think the Erdtree was created? I don't think Marika sacrificed herself for this purpose, in fact, by the looks of the famous cutscene it looks far different and probably more sinister than than we know. Also remember a crucible is a melting pot of different things, so by definition more than one thing has to go into it.
@@JudgeNicodemus the flesh that Marika had just cast off to become a God? And the other example we see is St. Trina is is also turning into a tree...
Its there more a way that the Crucible is one thing and it just invoked in different ways? The Primordial Crucible seems to be one thing that is the source of all evolution. The magic is just used differently by different cultures.
I never thought of it as seperate so I fine this a super interesting take
This channel needs to become more famous
Im here for it. The crucible is one of the most interesting things in the game and i cant wait to hear what you have to say about it :)
Ty Ty :) I agree, it is super interesting, I HAD to made a video about it.
Another thing to suport your Beastmen were once human theory is that Beastmen skeletons drop human bone fragments.
Oh ddamnnnnnnn Great point.
ProforProf has an excellent video about Bayle and the Forge of the Fell God. It may inspire some connections regarding the magma spill on the Divine Towers and the Titanic corpses. I’d be interested to see what you make of it
excited to see the miquella video, this one was a blast
Solid but I think this could have benefitted from acknowledging that The Crucible is also pretty well defined as being some form of primeval energy, as well as a ritual by which this energy is accessed. Basically the difference between uppercase The Crucible (the primeval energy itself) & lowercase a crucible (the ritual by which said energy is accessed). As it stands, conflating the two things makes this analysis feel a tad bit incomplete.
Have you seen my other video on the crucibles and crucible touched? :P
The crucible talisman confirms all things come from giants and their arm pits 😎
We are bacterial armpit growth
I think this is brilliant
Thankyou, that's very generous 🥰
Oh btw, has anyone noticed that the hornsent granny's soup, also resembles a crucible? :)
@@dreamfield92 omg lol
Perhaps not many crucibles, but many "currents" like the Spiral, which is a stabilized crucible current.
@@UmbraDiSol interesting isn't it
The way it's described is "crucible current", so a crucible perhaps makes or is a current (of souls)
I would still argue they are crucibles, and spira is a manifestation of the "current" produced by a crucible, or a mimic of it.
@@ScumMageInfa eh, then we wouldn't constantly refer to it as THE crucible. It would be A crucible, and there would be more explicit references to many.
As it is, we have the "mother of crucibles" and... THE Crucible. There might be mundane crucibles, but not Capital Letter Crucibles.
@UmbraDiSol but in fact
We also have silurias tree which says "ITS crucible"
So by that logic we are back to square 1.
Holy crap, he's done it. Volume sounds perfect! (maybe even an excuse to re-upload your original videos with corrected sound, a free chance to double dip lol)
Hahahahahah thankyou ♡
LOL with DLC revisions 😂
Would like your take on something. The backside of the glintstone cluster in the lake of rot (where the ground is partially modeled and included in the map so this may be deliberate) looks like a divine gate. Does this tie in with anything?
@@MemeMan_MEMESQUAD I have always thought the goant stalagmite beneath raya lucaria is the remains of an ancient tree :P
What makes you think divine gate?
@@ScumMageInfa the part of the model you can't see has the same shape as the divine gate, and the glintstone/rot implies SOMETHING happened in that area so I wonder if it's a coincidence. You're about the expert on the crucibles right now I'd say, so I was wondering what you thought. Possibly a bit of a stretch though...
@MemeMan_MEMESQUAD
Oh you 🤭
No, it isn't a stretch at all.
I agree the back of that "totally not stump" looks like the opening of the divine gate.
A pity it's at the BACK lol but nonetheless, there are many things out of sight regarding trees that are frankly astonishing. The Great Tree is a fine example of this.
I have a video I'm (hopefully) about to drop on the topic and its... vast....
I am still convinced the rot there is the run off from the nameless eternal city- but I find it difficult to reconcile what to me looks exactly like a tree Stump.
I am half of the mind that the divine gate is a very similar mechanism- given the great trees are fed by soul and body returning to the root-- and the divine gate is comprised of those very things.
Between two trees, do we find divinity.
@@ScumMageInfa oh man I'm stoked
Thanks for another banger. Can't wait for the next one. Cook brotha!
Hahahahah thankyou mate! The next recipe is the one I am most excited for 😁
i better have some credits in this video
hell yeah
@@benvase6831 😂😂😂
Literally Berserk yet again!
One of my two secret shames.... I haven't played Bloodborne... and I haven't watched Berserk *Buried head in shame*
Unlimited crucible works
This is the way.
Brilliant!!!
Thankyou! ❤
Correct me if im wrong, but wouldnt “natural born” imply that they are bastards? Were Marika and Godfrey not married at the time of mogh and morgott’s births?
@christophercortez7191 By natural born I mean, not a portion of her soul she ripped out and turned into a living horcrux :P
See my video "marikas great escape" for context if you would like that explained hahaha :D
@@ScumMageInfa holy smokes!!! Im intrigued!
Rot pot, off ye trot
Assured victory every time
444th view... Woohoohoo! I'm here for it 🤩 been stewing on the new lore a bit, I'm still percolating as I continue exploring
Yooo... Idk if you mentioned it, but... Yahar'gul and the Mensis ritual... I was thinking of that strange place whilst staring at the pillars of Enir-Ilim... the bodies all melted together into the architecture. Very spooky, and definitely Crucible-iferous.. XD
@@madmorgo6233 MY SECRET SHAME
I HAVENT PLAYED BLOODBORNE YET 💀
@@ScumMageInfa oooohhh 🙈👀😍🤯🥰 it's my favourite one! Your eyes are yet to open ... but I'm sure you'll enjoy it when you do get there!
I might have a few vids of it myself 👀 mostly raw gameplay. I was gonna stream a playthrough but the wifi is a bit dodgy out here XD
@@madmorgo6233 I STG I am prying my third eye open as we speak. Little MF is clenching shut, I tells ya!
Great video!
You forgot one, however...
Miranda is said to be the "Maiden of the *Flower* Crucible" ;)
I was going to delve into the church of rott too... brilliant point :)
Really hammers home how the finger maidens ARE crucibles.
Pinned.
Almost got fooled hearing your voice,vaati better watch out lol.
BRO PLEASE HAHAHAH
I'm Australian and soft spoken while reading I stg I'm not trying to be home brand vaati 😂
He ain't gotta watch for nothing I got like 3 more 0's to add to my sub count before I'd even scratch his periphery LOL
nice
Ty, Ty :)
You were wrong about a lot on the past two videos but they were amazingly done, well done for the channel boom.
Thanks 😁 Bound to happen, but I was also right on the money with a lot too.
May i ask what you think I missed the mark on? I'm curious.
hablando mierda.....crucible of youtube....LOL
The comments section.... IS A CRUCIBLE.
I disagree a bit with your wording; rather I would say it is one crucible with many aspects. Kind of like how the Hindu pantheon has one god in many aspects/avatars
@@benwil6048 about an hour from releasing a new crucible video lmao so
Let's see how well our opinions line up after :P
Saint Trina would have GROWN into the Blossom Crucible