Pt 2 - Is Christianity a Copy of Ancient Egyptian/Kemetic Religion?
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- In part 2 Dr. Vince Bantu & Brother Jabari Osaze address the topic:
Is Christianity a Copy of Ancient Egyptian/Kemetic Religion
Sponsored By:
Epiphany Fellowship Church
www.epiphanyfellowship.org and The K.I.N.G Movement
www.kingmovement.com
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I’m 2 years late but much respect ✊🏾 to the Pastor of the this church for allowing this respectable debate. Churches all over need to follow his lead.
Woah....He really brought out wikipedia smh....automatic L
Straight facts bro i was actually there he completely lost the crowd when he did that
@@jasonwil88 That's why he had to end his time talking about misogyny instead of the topic at hand. He knew he lost the crowd and needed to change the topic.
@@jasonwil88 I believe it bro. I can heard the gasp and the laughter from the crowd when he brought it out.
This isn't college.
The Wikipedia thing was tacky I agree..but the point he made is indeed fact when you research it . Also what’s the difference between some slides created by Bantu from a source who he really didn’t know and a wiki page presented by Jabari from a source he really doesn’t know?
Osiris did not actually ressurect........not in the Christian sense. He went on to become a god of the underworld.
Jesus resurrected for a lil bit then went up to heaven it's still the same shit
@@idkyou370 it ain’t the same by leaps and bounds. I’m so done with the comparisons that do not relate at all.
Bantu repeatedly says there was violence in Christianity.
Jabaris Rebuttal - You ignore the violence.
Jabari said Dr Bantu is carving out his own view of Christianity. This dude is a piece of work.
He did
The problem with you fools is that you focus on who’s winning and not the information at hand . It’s clear and stated by Bantu that Christianity as well as other religions are influenced by Kemetic allegory . No one can debate this . Bantu believes that his religion is the fulfillment of the allegory and that HIS JESUS actually existed which he can’t really prove!
@@C.O.A.CH_Ray the fool is the one that rejects his creator. I am not concerned with anything but the truth, and Dr Bantu wiped the floor with Jabari with it. Research Contextualization and learn a little something, until you do don't waste my time with your so-called insults you substitute for a lack ability to engage in a respect intellectual discussion.
Sam Shavers, ThD candidate so let me ask you this.... what proof do you have that your Jesus who’s father was a ghost and who’s body can’t be found actually existed ?.....
I’ll give you a better one what proof do you have that Adam who Jesus came to right the wrongs of actually existed ?...
@@samephraimshaversjr8864
Was jesus born to die for people sins??
If so, came you show and prove Jesus or god stating those facts?? By the way know you can't just saying
As a kemetic person this makes me more proud of how black people brought such great influences through the world. If we have a lot in common why we so pitted against each other spiritually wise?
Would love to hear this Kemmetic brother expound on this notion that misogyny was somehow exclusive to Mosaic Law and can’t be found in any other faith traditions including Ancient Kemmet.
Curtis he took the rape scripture out of context. The father could refuse the marriage after the rape and the law was there to promote sex within marriage not promote raping hence there was a fine to be paid showing it was a wrong thing to do. This kemit brother like others like taking scripture out of context to convince themselves the gospel is not true
I actually had an exchange with Jabari on his over romanticism of socio gender structure and misleading / misconceptions on gender relation in traditional african cultures
Are you guys saying the bible is not misogynistic?? I wouldn't say that if so. Just asking.
Powerful force, re-read my comment. That’s not what I said nor did I imply that at all.
@@CurtisNelson96 no sweat brother, I did not say you said that just asked the question.
If you look in to kemetic spirituality you will probably want find misogynistic brother. 1st thing we should know about kemetic spirituality is that the stories are myth and they have that understanding. 2nd it's allegory and metaphors just as well as the bible. That's all he really trying to emply.
Jabari--If I have to give you a citation for that, you don't know anything about this. 😂😂😂
Jabari - I don't have time to prove this but...
Jabari-- this (white) woman in Egypt was killed by Christians. She might have been biracial, but I dont have time to get into that.
Jabari - Asuet traveled and couldn't find an inn. (No citation).
Jabari - Three kings came to Heru (no citation)
Jabari - Two Marys were present at Heru's Resurrection. (No citation).
Jabari - quotes Wikipedia.
😳😳😂🏌🏾♀️🏌🏾♀️🏌🏾♀️
nefernitty
Those are all confirmable though. There’s a wealth of knowledge on each slide he presented. You can just look him up; he has plenty of content on these things.
@@karenlake5907 no, they're not. That's the point. There's no evidence coming from Ancient Kemet indicating these so - called similarities. These are fabrications of recent invention intended to discredit the Bible. They have no basis in history.
nefernitty
Lol
Do your research. You’re absolutely wrong
@@karenlake5907 Lol typical response. Next thing we know you're going to pull out a Wiki article too lol.
Wikipedia 🤣🤣
I never thought Jabari was good but didn't realize how bad of a supposed scholar he really is until I watched this. He doesn't listen well, and tries to make emotional points over factual information to stick to his false narrative. When he has no sound information he attacks the presenter as if he's playing the dozens. He repeated what Dr. Bantu actually said and then asked him to repeat it as if he didn't say it while his supporters paid no attention.
Mr. Blaktastic facts
Y'all don't know facts from lies
The kemetic brother starts his first rebuttal saying he was listening closely to Jabari, then proceeds to tell the audience that he didn't say something he literally JUST SAID (Diocletian was before Constantine). 🤦🏿♂️ I knew it was over at that point. Desperation.
Bro I was thinking the sametime...
@@jamespboykin You can't argue with truth. That's what happens when you try.
Yup! I was like...he just said that....
I peeped that as well
@@Gabeereps Right, and Jabari didn't even try to defend himself. He knew the audience could see what was going on.
Jobari used the topic of misogyny as a tactic, so as to disunite the Christian audience in attendance. The goal was to pit women against men, and go off course. Misogyny, or perceived misogyny, is a topic worthy of discussion within the church. However, that wasn't the focus of this discussion/debate.
He went for this jugular, for he felt it was easily exploited, as well as a sticking point. That was a cynical move on his part, for he knew Bantu was not prepared to address that issue, but was laser focused on the debate topic at hand.
Outside of that-the brother was all over the place. Some, with a confirmation bias, and even an agenda, may want to consider Jobari as the victor in this debate. And if he (Jobari) is classified as the winner, it's on style only-not the substance. Substance wise-Bantu won this debate, flaws and all.
Andre Ledoux
You clearly didn’t listen to why he brought it up.
@@karenlake5907 No, I listened, just like I listened to his other points, as it related to early Christian violence, which wasn't the focus of the debate/discussion. Does the topic of misogyny need to be dealt with in the church? OF COURSE! But not during a debate when the subject is dealing with Christianity being a copycat, or retread of other religions. Be fair with your opponent, and understand that their preparation is concentrating on a narrow specific area, not the side issues (that deserve their own segment) Jobari introduced, so as to cause confusion for the moment. You see, it' one thing to discuss Christianity's origins, it's quite another thing to critique the teachings, side issues, and theology. Again, this was a cynical ploy on his part. A piece of ammunition from his bag of "conscious" tricks, in order to win people to his side, seeing as how his overall presentation really didn't hit the mark, truth be told. He knows this is a hustle "Hotep" folks go to, for pandering purposes, when all else fails. And speaking of going off-topic, we as a people (I'm assuming you're black) can't seem to stay on topic, when it comes to orderly, moderated debates. I don't know; maybe it's cultural. But I've seen other groups/ethnicities debate, and it appears as if they don't have as many problems with staying on point. And when a debater does indeed go
off course, by introducing another topic, it is immediately pounced on, noticed and shut down by the moderator. Why? It is not fair to the other debater, whose preparation was solely focused on the topic at hand. An ethical debater, regardless of how passionate they are for their side, wouldn't throw a curveball filibuster, so as to throw the discussion off. It's like a boxer throwing a low blow because it is the only option that is left for the victory. Likewise, as far as a debate tactic, skilled debaters that are on the losing end, will throw the debate for a loop, by highlighting a sensitive topic, in order to glean some type of moral victory, by dividing the other side's audience. For Jobari, the goal is for folks to forget all of the relevant facts that Bantu was knocking out the ballpark, by leaving
the audience with a negative taste in their mouths. Folks like Jobari, an eloquent public speaker, and at times-sophist demagogue-knows that the human mind can be fragile and emotional, to where the only thing many folks will remember and focus on, is thee concluding hot button issue, OR the last controversial statement made. Besides, Jobari knew he was losing the debate substantively, that's why he was insulting, and pandering-because there was no substance. In other words: there was no there, THERE. He knows this to be true about his motivations and intentions. Men like him don't fool me.
Ironic that Jabari harps on the importance of acknowledging and undero context, but ignores it when he talks about "misogyny is in the Bible." 🤔
Instead, he anachronistically applies a modern definition and understanding of the term on the ANE setting of the OT. He does likewise with NT passages. Nice slight of hand, but upon further inspection, one can see what he did there.
qcbtbx If I could love this comment I would. Jabari is dodging the facts and banking on his lack of understanding biblical context, emotional pandering and making myopic informed and unreliable statements.
He completely ignores the fact that the Anicent Kemites tried to erase Queen Hatshepsut off the walls because they didn’t want a woman god king.
@@jamesvideau8903 yes! While the debate format is ok, it often only leaves the audience to rely upon the rhetoric of who is speaking to decide who "won," and Jabari has a LOT of it. I'm looking forward to and tracking the follow-up discussions that come about as a result of this.
qcbtbx check out Tru ID podcast with Adam Coleman and Bk apologists. They did a great breakdown/discussion last night on the first round of this debate. They will be doing more.
@@beatricewells7158 yep I watched it last night. Good indeed!
Bruh, he mentions the Metternich stela... The stela is about horus getting stung by scorpions and cured. The stels is mainly about spells are to help those who are sick get cured. However, it does not appear to have anything to do with not having any place to sleep etc... That would be a stretch... lol
It’s always painful to see a someone at the scholarly level take Scripture out of context so badly in a sad attempt to defame it. Those who know the Scripture and it’s context I’m sure face palmed on that last bit.
Levi Gorin yea that misogyny part was horrible...he presented it like an atheist would. Read out loud not study in context
It’s also painful to see people believe that a man who’s father was a ghost and body can’t be found actually existed !
Mike Jones I don’t know who’s father was a “ghost.” God, the Father is Spirit, meaning not material. Are you claiming God cannot exist as Spirit? If so, please provide backing to your claim.
If you’re referring to Jesus Christ as though He did not exist and walk the earth, then I seriously recommend doing your homework before digging yourself further into the hole of ignorance. Given the evidence of historical eyewitness attestation from both Biblical and non-Biblical sources, even atheist scholars have admitted Jesus existed.
@@C.O.A.CH_Ray that part -where did that come from -people are brainwashed to give power outside of them but it’s within /-appreciate your comment
@@levigorin7644 do you have scholar besides the Bible to prove your claim -did you know there was other elements of the scripture that you’ve never seen which would explain what you don’t know? Research dig deep
I'm glad this debate took place. Always felt that Brother Jabari was a well trained debater but that his lack of authentic scholarship coupled with his regrettable condescending attitude and arrogance would not stand up to true scholarship and scrutiny.
I totally disagree because nothing the guy said brought authentic facts to anything to disprove it wasn't copied
@@seanmoore9878 human nature is broken in such a way that nothing that doesn't support our view is true or good enough. Once we are convinced our view is correct no amount of evidence will sway us...that's a heart issue..so for me, most of the times these conversations hold little to know value, because of our human unwillingness and inability to objective.
@@mididas2151 🤔 quite a comment to digest.
So I guess he can't defend his position. So he keeps going of topic while also lacking proper resources to defend his position.
Exactly!!!!
If your referring to Jabari he stated in the last video and this one that the citation s are on the slides ...
@@C.O.A.CH_Ray you mean the Wikipedia sitations. 8-0
If Bantu is asking for citation, clearly, its not there.
You all are confused because you believe that ancient Kemet had a religion and they didn’t. Everything was symbolic and those symbols represented different energies to master. It’s hard to believe once you mind has been conditioned to be a slave but you do not need a Jesus or god for that matter. YOU are god. It’s a title.
Nothing he said disprove that Christianity was not copied. In fact more evidence proves it was
The text that he mentions from the Chronicle Paschel is not actually from the Chronical Pashcel, it's from the book "Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection" lol not even a primary source.. lol
THANK YOU!! He doesn't even know if so - called Pashcale actually says that. 😂😂
At 23:32 the Augustine quote is just pointing to the fact that the Logos, or word of Hashem, is eternal. That since the unifying principle is actively working to create, order/organize or unify the multiplicity, and maintain the universe through and across time, that this principle, being pervasive throughout, has manifesting throughout history. This too would be Justin Martyr’s (think) idea of logos spermaticus. Meaning every creature, every person has a seed of the logos in varying measures. And the baton of that knowledge has been passed on and preserved.
Wow! Jabari has to be the most condescending presenter & debater ever! I've never heard someone insult the intelligence of his audience so much, and have the nerve to tell people to buy a bus ticket while claiming what he can show but never shows it. He talks like everyone is stupid but him, and expect you to take his word for it just because he says so.
Bingo
You just take the pastor word. So should he not think you would just take his word???
Do you believe Jesus died on the cross for your sins?? If so, present evidence. I'll present evidence that he did not come and die for your sins nor did he want too. Present scripture that states Jesus or the father god saying he came to die for the people sins and was born for that reason. It's not in your bible
@@powerfulforce9984 those who were opposed to Christianity(atheist, gnostics, utilitarian, etc) have proven that Christ did exist. Though they don’t believe He is the Son of GOD, they confirmed by extra biblical sources.
@@TrevWILL79
Christ is not a person literally, Christ is a tittle given to said people or a person that falls under the fulfilling meaning of christ. Which Christ are you saying somebody proved existed?
Please procure some help in the sound quality of the last videos; the volume is very low on mobile devices. Thank You!
I had zero issue while watching on my device
🎙FINALLY!!!!
Part 2 HAS been posted..
on social media....
If ya smelllllllll
What GOD-is cooking!
The gossip or gospel as you say was dismantled during this conversation. Some how this god concept block logic and truth.
Jesus is the only way ✝️💜
@@powerfulforce9984 Jesus is the only way ✝️💜
@@powerfulforce9984 im sorry, but idk what video u were watching.
@@thebasedcatholic he is
Osaze's Justin the Martyr quote speaks to the imitation of Christ, not the other way around...thank you, brother
Lol
Just so y’all know, they originally called out Brother Polight and then tucked their Tales. That’s why they went for Jabari! They didn’t want to deal with Polight. Jabari has a different brand of the Kemetic system that Polight doesn’t even consider valuable and Bantu knew that when those preachers helped him choose who to debate. Polight has been dropping crazy facts that actually ABSOLUTELY DESTROYS Bantu’s positions. These Christians are a slick breed. But let’s see. In time maybe they’ll be brave enough to face him. Try are not stupid. This is just hilarious 😂
Dark Forest Adventures
That is a fact. They originally called out Polight but went for the argument they felt they had more grounds with and still actually struggled. Nobody asks for the best in the kemetic community and goes for Jabari. Lmao
They won’t share that on social media if Polight steps in. Hell, they may never even accept it.
Polight was too afraid to debate
Mr Duckett
That’s a lie. 😂😂😂 It’s what you Religious folks do best. Dagger Squad proved first hand that’s a lie. They had Pastor Mason all up in their live chat trying to explain away why he tucked his tail. But hey, they are all calling out Mr Mason and his colleagues! When they drop another debate with the Dagger Squad don’t be in the comments crying. 😂😂 GET POLIGHT and Dagger Squad OUT THERE AND WATCH WHAT HAPPENS.
@@iABabyCuh Polight wanted 20k for the debate...he won't trying to debate 😂😂😂
Scott Akers
You are absolutely wrong. Go read Dr. Mason’s chats on Dagger Squad Live-stream. Money was definitely not the cause of why Jabari was alone.
Im christian and though I disagree with alot of the information jabari presented, which was either a misrepresentation! Of the kemetic story or the biblical story! I believe he was more compelling in this 2nd part! And I am not a fan of the position bantu took to argue from! Focusing on similarities! In ancient cultures and saying oh thats just an imprint of God revealing himself all over the world is a weak position to me! And it was one I knew jabari would take an advantage of! You have to understand the biblical faith and story of the bible! Is different than the stories mainstream christianity has presented! I don't feel he expounded on these enough, small things like dec 25th having nothing to do with christ! Easter and christmas being pagan holidays! etc But christians who celebrate christmas and easter wouldn't be able to respond to this so what do you do! Also Bantu thinks its okay for christianity to adopt from other faiths, and vice versa and say its complementary will not be good and will play towards his defeat in this debate! Also debunking egyptian resurrection stories which can't really fall under the category as a resurrection would've been great too! but hey! So I don't agree with jabaris info here but I believe he won this section of the debate!
I noticed that Mr. Jabari, attacks more than teaches. He didnt really prove anything to me. More of an emotional orator than scholar. He showed a lot of pictures quickly on his slide show without refrences. Then uses the excuse that he didnt have access to the Internet in the first round...😒 bruhh
U believe in white jesus😂😂
Wait ... Bantu showed you pictures as well with reference of someone he doesn’t know and never met ... and Jabari has the same cause he told you the references were on the slides . So what’s the difference?
Alicia Hawkins where in scripture does it say Jesus is white? Are you basing that off of pictures and paintings?
Mike Jones Dr. Bantu address every question and reaffirms the point of the debate. Of course neither Mr. Jabari or Dr. Bantu met the sources because they existed thousands of years before they were born...duh. Dr. Bantu referenced his sources, Mr. Jabari made excuses as to why he could not provide sources and spent more time diverting the debate by saying, "He's lying to you!
"He knows that you dont know that!
Etc. Sounds like to me Mr. Jabari didn't have a substantial come back of the evidence Dr. Bantu professionally and compassionately presented.
Alicia Hawkins no. Your boy jabari got exposed and you still follow him
Part 2 of the Jabari slaughter is almost like the Red Wedding in Game of Thrones lol, extremely cringey, yet oddly satisfying lol
Jabari needs to have a study guide beyond the Zeitgeist movie
Jabari plays on the emotion of the audience using words like brother, sister, family and Africans to connect rather than just talk from his debate points..
There's more to this debate than this writer admits, it's an archeological fact that the earliest reference of 'Israel' appears in Merneptah Steele created in 1200 BC. Here it is in reference to the followers of Akhnetan who coz of royal decree could not be named and were called as “iisii-r-iar”, those who have sinned. Which later on With passage of time was changed from “iisii-r-iar” to "Isra", consisting of the name of a deity and a verb, to "Israel".
It's also a recorded fact that Moses was raised in the royal household and must have known about this interpretation of God, and He was also the lawgiver of Jews who culled those who reversed back to Pantheon or idol worship.
It is also widely a biblical fact that Jesus was raised in God and human guidance in Egypt, and it is believed that they were accompanied on this journey by John the baptist.
Akhnetan called his followers Children of light and there is a very large overlap in the teachings of Atenic religion and Christianity
Christianity is the continuation of the true atenic religion of Light. There's no monotheism outside it.
Funny seeing ppl cry about sources but ok with a bible verse with no timestamps...smh Wikipedia > bible
L B
Christians are massive hypocrites.
if christianity was ancient kemetic religion , than jews were not the choosen people otherwise the exodus never happen either.
Christianity is stolen, the bible was written at the council of nicea with stories extracted from kemetic spiritual knowledge in Egypt! He is right.
Exactly.
Wrong this is reddit level atheist talk.
What are yall putting Jabari down for? He proved his point multiple times, and just because he had to use Wikipedia once, u just put his case invalid!? that is stupid and irrational. Listen to the truth
Brother Jabari had NOOO receipts 🧾
In part 1 Jabari kept his habit of basing his argument on Genetic Fallacy. This time around, he's continued and now has thrown in Post Hoc Fallacy. Was this really the best they could get from the Kemet side? It was quite difficult to believe he was serious at times.
Prophetic Fulfillment Against Egypt:
Ezekiel 29:14-15 King James Version (KJV)
14 And I will bring again the captivity of Egypt, and will cause them to return into the land of Pathros (Upper Egypt/The Thebaid) , into the land of their habitation; and they shall be there a base kingdom.
15 It shall be the basest of the kingdoms; neither shall it exalt itself any more above the nations: for I will diminish them, that they shall no more rule over the nations....
This prophecy was fulfilled after the Persian captivity of Egypt, after Alexander the Great. The Egyptian rulers (and any supposed power from their gods) was relegated to just Pathros (being Upper Egypt) for any rulership or revolutionary rule such as with the following Pharaohs...Hugranaphor, Ankhmakis and Harsiesi. After the Greeks came the Romans, Byzantines and several periods of Muslim rule and the indigenous Pharaonic rule crumbled and native Egyptians were diminished.
Jeremiah 46
19 O thou daughter dwelling in Egypt, furnish thyself to go into captivity: for Noph shall be waste and desolate without an inhabitant.
www.the-gospel-truth.info/bible-prophecy/egypt/
www.theevidence.org.uk/egypt-0
I always quote that for my kemetic friends. Good passage!
I've seen Bro. Jabari debate many times and I am honesty disappointed especially with this second half.
Ask Jubari to show us the implementation and the development of the Mark of The Beast in Revelation ch 13?
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Neuralink:
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Revelation 13:11, 16-17 KJV
bible.com/bible/1/rev.13.11-17.KJV
And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Revelation 14:10-11 KJV
bible.com/bible/1/rev.14.10-11.KJV
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
What if it’s not stolen??? All this sounds like a reincarnation of the same story being born every so many thousands of years. The same experience in different times and locations. Maybe the next time we allow the “Hero” “The King of Kings” fulfill his duty. The universal everlasting kingdom
If you cite from Wikipedia that is automatic a L.....You can not be a scholar and cite from Wikipedia....citing from Wikipedia makes your argument not credible...
Wow!!!!!! Not Wikipedia..........dude! Really?!?!?! Jabari might as well say, "I'm right because I said so; while stomping his feet.....So far it's 2-0.
Shirley Rozzell I agree I would have left wiki out cause it’s tacky ... but when you go study what He presenter in the wiki its actually fact . Besides what KD the difference between Bantu created and presenting a slide with someone else’s commentary that he doesn’t know and hasn’t met ... and Jabari presenting info from wiki from a person he doesn’t know and hasn’t met?
@@C.O.A.CH_Ray the difference is primary sources from analyzed and published works that you can actually sit down and turn pages and read footnotes.
Shirley Rozzell publishes don’t make it credible ... the credibility is based on your own perception of what’s credible .. because you don’t know the guy who wrote it or his intention .... you only know what you heard !
I think that Jabari did not only win this video round, he is actually right. I also appreciate him saying it is okay for whoever chooses to be Christian. Although I would draw a line when zealots start legislating our lives with their doctrines. At that point, I declare them as enemies. Period!
@@shirleyrozzell6771 🤣😅😆 you are such an idiot, if the wikipedia's article had supported your claims, you wnt have a problem with wiki 🤣😅😆 fucking hypocrite
If this were a professional debate then of course Jabari lost by default because he never really engaged the topic.
HOWEVER...
Jabari won in terms of polemics. For a casual person watching the debate Jabari "sounded" stronger. He was poised and exuded confidence. Dr. Bantu was stuttering, and "Ummming" a lot during his second round up. And I say that as a believer and someone who engages kemetics online etc.
That said, if the purpose of this debate was to engage the audience and those watching then those who may be on the fence on this issue didn't hear anything persuasive from us. The fact is that in the world of the 24hr news cycle, "reality" TV and social media, public discourse is swayed by hot clips, sound bites, "dragging" and "fact-ISH' arguments. In other words, polemics. So in that sense Jabari prolly did more to bolster his cause than Dr Bantu did for ours IMO.
Just my 3 cents on it.
I’m Neither Christian or Kemetic it’s all bs and a waist of time to me . But I think the real question at hand is wether these characters Adam, Abraham , Moses , Jesus ever existed . It’s hard to make the argument that they did when you have religions that predate Christianity with similar characters and details in their stories that are similar in nature . That’s what hasn’t and never will be proven .
But to be totally honest we’re wasting time debating and Black men in women and children in America are still being killed daily by white supremacist. What we gonna do about it? So we hide behind this religious crap and don’t deal with the real issues at hand !
Catholics took Egyptian and Christian and Roman religious doctrine and mixed them. The True Christian religion does not have a Madonna and don't have a female in the Trinity. The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit (no Mary).
All of your Christian creed come from Rome Paul letters to the church’s was in Rome . What is Christianity ?
@@kwamemaatranyame-mentuhote9952 nope. It comes From Jesus who is The Christ (messiah) and he lived in Israel
Marlon Foster Paul never met Jesus and Jesus came for Jews not gentiles he can’t be your Christ because your not a Jew
@@kwamemaatranyame-mentuhote9952 Paul met Jesus on the way to Damascus. Not physical form, but he was blinded by his light. And Paul Knew the Scriptures and had revelation that it was Written about Jesus who would DIE AND RESURRECT. And I am definitely a Hebrew Israelite. But that doesn't matter: Jesus came to Israel, but he knowing they would Reject him: he sent his DISCIPLES to the Gentiles; and The HOLY SPIRIT DID COME ON ALL WHO ACCEPT THE GOSOEL. You are right Jesus came to Israel, (but he did heal 2 gentiles while he was here), but THE HOLY SPIRIT HE SENT THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE EARTH.
Marlon Foster so Paul never met Jesus yet his writings make up over 50% of your Bible ? What verse in Synopsis gospel Jesus said he coming to save gentiles? Paul in his own words said the gospel he is preaching comes from him
dr. bantu seems to have answered the question to the debate at the 12:20 mark
"egyptian deities had interaction with other cultures.. and they merged and mingled with and influenced other religions"
Grown people still think these people and stories or real c'mon.
He never said aset or heru is a real person.
Y'all think Iesus is a real person.
No!!! Yahusha is the real savior. Not the lies ...fake Jesus.
Heru is Mars and not the Sun
Medu Neter Vol 1 page 226
It was Heru Khuti ( Mars ) that defeated Set and vanquished evil
The secret name of Ra is Heru Khuti.
Know your God and Thyself
Question everything..
Have you ever questioned why ALL the Sun symbols on the walls and temples of Kemet are ALL RED?
They don't look like this 🌞
You ever questioned why?
The secret name of Ra is Heru Khuti
His name is Ra Heru Khuti
Heru Khuti is Mars
Mars is the Red Sun
The Root Chakra is the Mars Chakra.
Red Sun
First manifestation of Kundalini
When this Sun rises it gives you life.
FINALLY!
When you start out your talk with “ummm. Yeah, so, uhhh, yeah…“, I click.
My question is how did Bro Jabri prove that Christianity is a white mans religion....
He didn't.
Romans are white the white man gave it to yo dumb ass!
@@aliciahawkins3258 why u got to be so hostile if u believe we as believers r wrong okay but calling ppl dumb is inappropriate
Latasha Scott THERE in lies the problem ... the real issue is not whether or not is a white man’s religion... it’s wether or not The stories in the Bible or its characters are REAL and proven HISTORY !..... based on what was presented here and what ALL scholars understand the foundational stories in the Bible ... from Adam to Moses .. to Jesus are very similar in concept to the ones that predated it . And CHRISTIANITY did not come up with these stories Or character figures FIRST so its extremely hard to prove it actually happened. Most religions understand that their stories are ALLEGORY.. and Christians BELIEVE IT REALLY HAPPENED!
@@C.O.A.CH_Ray stay on topic....the debate wad on is christianity a white mans religion that other stuff u talkin is off subject
I See little. . The only similarities was the belief in mother and child concept which I believe the old ancients or royal class took with them when they left Egypt. They knew from experience that it was useful in controlling people.
the guy just said satan copied...
Is there a part 3?!!
I love this
Heru of Edfu is Heru Behutet
Heru Behutet is Heru Khuti
Heru Khuti is Mars
The winged Sun disc
seems to be getting close to just saying Jesus was not a real person idk idk
Hmm. What has more holes? Wikipedia or Christianity?
Both lol
If they cant see u r trying to help them jabari! They are still lost!
Respectfully, he needs to help himself first.
Not citing Wikipedia 😂😂
Lol
nefernitty 🤔😂😂😂😂. Useless debate...... they both need help. One a perceptional/personal theist by “choice,” the other a classical re-creationist that relieves the past in the present.
Yes. It is. It was brought to us by the Greeks. Greek Mythology copied from Ancient Kemet which came Judaism, Christianity, Islam...etc. Study the timelines and you'll win.
Was part 1 recorded? This was a very great debate.
historical history shows the word jesus did not come into existence until 500 hundred years after the books were completed it is not greek but latin a common spanish name fact so it did not exist in egyptian language
We cannot judge ANY faith based on the actions and words of those who pervert that faith. Neither can we rightly understand ANY "sacred" text with a non-contextual, topical reading of it. If that is how you judge ANY faith then you have not judged that faith at all but a perversion of it.
Dang I use to think Jabari was scholar when I watched his videos, now this dude look super basic and has horrible scholarship. When he brought out wiki It was over.
Not wikipedia! 😭😭😭😂😂😂
The problem with you fools is that you focus on who’s winning and not the information at hand . It’s clear and stated by Bantu that Christianity as well as other religions are influenced by Kemetic allegory . No one can debate this . Bantu believes that his religion is the fulfillment of the allegory and that HIS JESUS actually existed which he can’t really prove!
BLESS_ DaGod wait.. So you think Jesus never existed? Even atheist, who are true to scholarship agree on that basic truth! Whether you believe Jesus is God is another matter, but to suggest He didn’t exist is incredible.. Is that what you meant?
if the hebrews were black how could to bible be masogynistic?!
BREAKING NEWS!
The first mention of Yahweh were the Shasu of Yahweh from Edom. Edom before Esau.
EDOM is the Land of Seir the Horite.
Yhwh is the God of the Horites from Edom..
*Two hieroglyphic references dating to the New Kingdom (1550 BC-c. 1069) refer to “the land of the Shasu of YHWH.” These are the oldest references to YHWH outside the Bible. The "Shasu of Yhw" is found on inscriptions from the Nubian temples of Soleb and Amara West, and corresponds precisely to the tetragrammaton.
The Horites originated in the Nile Valley. One of the oldest Horite temples was built at Nekhen in modern Sudan. At that time, around 4000 BC, the city set on the banks of the Nile. Originally the shrine was probably at water's edge, but later it was moved to high ground. The Horites are the oldest known caste of priests. They are later identified as ethnically Kushite.
Shasu may be a variant of Saka, another word for Horite royal priests among the Kushites. As they dispersed out of Africa, they spread the Proto-Gospel across the vast Afro-Asiatic Dominion. The Matsya Purana claims that the Saka ruled the ancient world for 7000 years.
The Shasu are definitively connected to the Horites of Seir in Edom (modern Jordan). The Horites occupied Edom at least as early as 2000 BC. Lists of place names in Nubian temples of Soleb and Amara West record six toponyms located in “the land of Shasu.” A monument of Ramesses II claims that he “has plundered the Shasu-land, captured the mountain of Seir” in Edom; a 19th Dynasty letter mentions “the Shasu-tribes of Edom” and Ramesses III declares that he has “destroyed the Seirites among the tribes of the Shasu.” Clearly, the Egyptians regarded the Shasu as a prominent part of the Edomite population which is described in Genesis 36.
Yahweh is from Edom and therefore a God of the Horites.
Deut 33:2: Yhwh came from Sinai, and rose up unto us from Seir; he shined forth from mount Paran.
Judg 5:4-5: Yhwh, when you went out of Seir, when you marched forth from the field of Edom, the earth trembled, and the heavens dropped; yea, the clouds dropped water. The mountains quaked before the presence of Yhwh, the one of Sinai; from before Yhwh, the God of Israel.
Hab 3:3: God came from Teman, and the Holy One from mount Paran.
The priests of Heru in the bible are called Horites=Followers of Heru
Hor=Horus + ites=Followers of
Job was a Horite
Hur/Hor the father of Bethlehem was a Horite
The father of the Christian faith, Abraham was a Horite=Follower of Heru of Nekhen and Edfu.
Heru of Edfu is Heru Behutet
Heru Behutet is Heru Khuti
Heru Khuti is Mars
* Medu Neter Vol 1 page 226*
jandyongenesis.blogspot.com/2011/01/who-were-horites.html?m=1
Lol the Wikipedia source was funny. I swear i knew what Eric Mason was thinking when it went up 🤔🤣🤣🤣🤣
Pastor Jay
Was still accurate though and at least he genuinely explained why he did it.
@@karenlake5907 Debate 101: Wikipedia should NEVER be used. I could go on that same Wiki page and type whatever I wanted to sound plausible enough to be real without citing any sources. That is the danger of Wikipedia, and the reason why it isn't accepted as a source for college level dissertations. Stick to primary source materials, not Wiki's when it comes to religious/historical debates.
Eric Mason face had me crying man lol.
@@rhayvenj all facts 👍🏾
The problem with you fools is that you focus on who’s winning and not the information at hand . It’s clear and stated by Bantu that Christianity as well as other religions are influenced by Kemetic allegory . No one can debate this . Bantu believes that his religion is the fulfillment of the allegory and that HIS JESUS actually existed which he can’t really prove!
Bro umm I don’t believe you are done reading umm you say ancient a spoke of Plato um this was before Plato also Plato was an Alchemist. Um hey you should dive a lot deeper I hope they are not letting you lie online an confuse those who really don’t know it say don’t betray my teachings remember 😐🤔
actually what he is said about Ast (Isis/Aset) in the Metternich stela is wrong... lol here is an academic article on the stela lol
www.metmuseum.org/pubs/bulletins/1/pdf/3258024.pdf.bannered.pdf
Why does the quote he use have the small letters that say (Unamed discourse from Shenote?) If you are using unamed evidence that is kind of poor.
The problem with you fools is that you focus on who’s winning and not the information at hand . It’s clear and stated by Bantu that Christianity as well as other religions are influenced by Kemetic allegory . No one can debate this . Bantu believes that his religion is the fulfillment of the allegory and that HIS JESUS actually existed which he can’t really prove!
Mike Jones
Exactly. Lol
My cousin shared this on his Facebook and held his position that he doesn’t think it was copied or influenced.
Ive came to the conclusion that no matter what sounds like solid proof to them they still won’t believe it.
Some of these topics are resolved in other biblical historical text such as in the book of Enoch, Jubilees, book of Jasher, Josephus, etc. it explains where the religion comes from in more detail then in the Bible. Abraham went to Egypt and learned from them, so did Moses. When the laws were made it states he sought God of which of the laws that he learned to apply to the Isrealites. That is why we have some of the Egyptian text, they always looked at other cultures to test and see which is the way to go. But just because some was copied doesn’t mean it is inferior. We know from history we learn from others. Moses sought God to which should be included.
What proof do you have that Moses existed beyond a book that was written by people you don’t know ?
Mike Jones we can say that with all history. We don’t see them so technically we could say it’s all made up stories. So I could say the same about many aspects about world history, religious history and even family history. But we know some things are true based off of critically analyzing historical documents and looking at archeological evidence. I am not going to sit here and go through the thousands of evidences that we have. With the internet today it doesn’t take much to find these evidences on your own. And if you really want to know you will find it. I find that most people who ask the type of question you ask already have their mind made up that it is not true so I find no point in arguing with someone who doesn’t even want to entertain the possibility that they are wrong. I view history in this matter. I ask questions of why do we believe what we believe. But unlike most people, I don’t just ask the questions but I actually diligently seek the answers. And for me this actually lead me to strengthen my faith and become even more awestruck about God because he even provides substantial evidence for his existence and the existence of these events that are in our holy books. But it is up to the individual to decide if they will believe or seek out the answers. If you really want to know you would do that. The evidence is literally right in front of your face if you just look.
It's not a question it's known.
Jabari keep going off topic.
This Bantu person is an Arab saying the people of ancient Africa-Kemet/Anu were not black. Why are you debating him; his knowledge of ancient African-Kemetic/Anu history is grossly lacking...and he is ignorant of Christianity and the violent, sexist, misogynistic, discriminatory and judgemental scriptures contained within the Bible.
FYI: For Jabari, Easter Sunday is always celebrated on the first Sunday after the FIRST FULL MOON on or after the vernal spring equinox...not the first Sunday after the vernal spring equinox.
The entire Kemetic teachings are revealed as false knowledge when you realize that Ra is not the Sun.
When Ausar was alive
Heru wasn't born
When Heru was born
Ausar wasn't alive
The Trinity is a illusion
Jesus is Lord
Put Polight up against this clown. Lol
They are constantly putting out videos that destroy every talking point of this Bantu guy. Look up Dagger Squad channel. You can also meet me there as well if you want heat. Can’t believe people are hyped over this light weight debate. 😂😂
Yes...This is not uncommon with all religions. As society grew across cultures, Judea Christianity took on, "copied" local traditions into their religion. The church stole Saturn's Day and made up Christmas.
Jabari's voice sounds annoying by way of his arrogance. I can't listen to him.
I guess y'all believe Jesus was born and died for people sins too right??
Christian don't read and understand. The only way y'all except information if it's nicely said. Haha that's the magic of this government system. Oh this government system is the god of that bible wow
Powerful force according to the Holy Scripture, yes indeed I believe it.
Jabari’s argument was better (he challenged Bantu to not conflate the times and then accused him of having a copy but NOT a carbon copy). Bantu didn’t even speak to Jabaris challenges and should have agreed that Christians really did convert Egyptian. but Jabaris scholarship was the worse! He little to none scholarly references. This bol pulled up Wikipedia 😂🤣🤣🤣
LEIGH JOHNSON the references were on the slides he said this numerous times ... but yes the Wikipedia slide was tacky he shouldn’t have used it . But let’s be real BOTH used slides created by THEMSELVES with pictures and a reference from someone else’s neither one of them know . So who who’s the winner ?... and really who cares cause black folks still
Being massacred in the streets because of their skin not their religion!
Mike Jones Bantu won. And black folks are getting killed for both reasons. Idk of anyone who is currently getting killed for Egyptian beliefs
men are also responsible if their wife isnt saved.
Yes Osaze seeks to persuade by picking at the emotional sores of social mores like feminism and racial inequality. The ancient world over had many cultural norms that placed men in headship and authority. That's not unique to Christianity! And so, if Osaze hadn't already lost me, his VERY last statement did.
Very cheap rebuttals in my estimation on Osaze's part. Condescension and emotionalism have no place in scholarly debate.
Scholarly debate is a waste of time. We getting killed out here by white supremacist daily .. if we ain’t going to war with them then what the hell we doing cause they ain’t killing us for our religion they killing us because we black !
The black hat dude, i don't know what religion he is representating but it's rich coming from someone whose religion is stolen from Judaism and Christianity.
He chooses to discredit some dude without bringing his beliefs to scrutiny, that's what is disingenious.
Yes christianity is copied of old kemet and jewish religion are a copied of old babylonia and persia. This is true
Great Question
He must not understand the term Dameon was the term listed from the Greeks upon the Akhu of ancient Egypt. The term is not Dameon it would be nTr-w or Akhu depending on how the Greek using it saw fit to discuss the spiritual aspect of our tradition
How many parts are there???
3
3. But you know this debate was supposed to include more than just Jabari. There will be a big debate in March or April.
Dr. Bantu forgot to acknowledge that Roman and Greeks stole all history, religion, and fabricated the history and Kemet religion. Inquisition is one huge example of Roman Catholic persecution of Hellenic religion, Gnostic religion, and constantly waging war with Islam. Kemet was an ancient civilization while Europe was living in the caves. Kemet was the ancient name of Africa. Greeks were the one's name Kemet as Egypt. Kemet gave birth to Greek and Roman civilization. Dr. Bantu your scholarship is coming from Egyptology, but your lies are already exposed and Kemet will regain her glory so speak up, raise your voice as the last struggle. Jesus was created by Roman Catholic, Julius Ceasar, Josephus Flavian, Pope Julius, and Michaelangelo. When you talking about Christianity that Dr. Bantu forgets that Christianity was invented by Emperor Justinian in 538AD, so Dr. Bantu STOPPED LYING AND TRYING TO DIVERT FROM THE TRUTH. Keep preaching Dr. Bantu your lies will not go far from here. Sorry time is up.
How did the Greeks manage to steal everything from kemet ?
It doesn’t matter what they stole because they didn’t create Christianity they just adopted it
AMAZING!!!!
Proverbs and Amenanop ?
Stating that someone made a prophecy about future possible copies of itself doesn’t prove that you actually know that it was actually prophetic or that prophecy is even a concept that can be proven. Most people don’t even know what constitutes a solid prophecy. Logical fallacy to the fullest. What a great way to create a circular argument thinking it will trap any claim that comes against it. First G. Craig Lewis brought that idea, And now this cat. Lol
Karen Lake exactly!
i would much rather see a réal jew who is a christian debate the old testament as christians are never really aware of what to do with the old testament as they spend so much time in the new.. the old testament is relevant but has to be contextualised properly and most pastors dont know how to deal with this.. not even christian scholars like james white
What? James White don't know how to contextualize OT scripture. You going to have to explain this one.
Is Heru the same as Horus?
Heru is the Kemetic name Horus is Greco-Roman name of heru.
Deuteronomy 7:6 (AKJV) 6 For thou art an holy people unto the MOST HIGH thy Alahim: the MOST HIGH thy Alahim hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
Deuteronomy 26:18 (AKJV) 18And the MOST HIGH hath avouched thee this day to be his peculiar people, as he hath promised thee, and that thou shouldest keep all his commandments;
Deuteronomy 28:9 (AKJV) 9 The MOST HIGH shall establish thee an holy people unto himself, as he hath sworn unto thee, if thou shalt keep the commandments of the MOST HIGH thy Elohim, and walk in his ways.
Jacob (a.k.a. Israel - Dather of the 12 tribes) to Shem son of Noah
12. Jacob (Yahcob) a.k.a Israel son of Isaac
11. Issac son of Abram a.k.a. Abraham
10. Abraham son of Terah
09. Terah son of Nahor
08. Nahor son of Serug
07. Serug son of Reu
06. Reu son of Peleg
05. Peleg son of Eber
04. Eber son of Salah
03. Salah son of Arphaxad
02. Arphaxad son of Shem
01. Shem son of Noah
Revealing the Father Yah The Supreme Creator of All Life on Earth and Heaven - The Alahim of Negro Israel
Daniel 7:9 (AKJV) 9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
Both these individuals created slides ... with pictures they found and citations they believe validate their position let’s be 100% real 99% of them people in that church won’t go back and do research to see if the info is valid anyway cause y’all cool with someone else telling you it’s real , right , fake or wrong .. as long as it validated what’s in your head you go with it !
The devil heard the prophecy concerning the seed of the woman will crash the seed of the serpent ,satan has never changes his tricks ,he knew the Messiah would come that's why he wanted to corrupt the human race through the fallen angels ,nimrod semiranes ,hores etc.....
Can anybody or somebody so the difference in roman Christian and whatever Christians he talking about.
Where in the bible does Iesus say he is the people god or even died for they sins.
But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8
Horace not Here.. Horus is not the ancient name Kemetic wise
Revealing the Son Melchizedek/Yahusha
Genesis 49:10-12 (AKJV) 10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be. 11 Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ass’s colt unto the choice vine; he washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes: 12 his eyes shall be red with wine, and his teeth white with milk.
Psalm 40:7-9 (AKJV) 7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me, 8 I delight to do thy will, O my Yah: yea, thy law is within my heart. 9 I have preached righteousness in the great congregation: lo, I have not refrained my lips, O MOST HIGH , thou knowest.
Daniel 10:6 (AKJV) 6 his body also was like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude.
Isaiah 53:2 (AKJV) 2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
John 1:1 (AKJV) 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Yahua, and the Word was Yahushas.
Hebrews 7:14 (AKJV) 14 For it is evident that our Master sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
Revelation 1:14-15 (AKJV) 14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15 and his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
Hebrews 10:7 (AKJV) 7Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O Yahua.
Hebrews 13:8 (AKJV) 8 [The] HaMashiach Yahusha the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Revelation 18:6 (AKJV) 6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
Isaiah 60:10-12 (AKJV) 10 And the sons of strangers shall build up thy walls, and their kings shall minister unto thee: for in my wrath I smote thee, but in my favour have I had mercy on thee. 11 Therefore thy gates shall be open continually;
they shall not be shut day nor night; that men may bring unto thee the forces of the Gentiles, and that their kings may be brought. 12 For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted.
Jabari said misogyny anti African. You telling throught whole history of Africa no African men were misogynistic to there women before Europeans came lol
Most people I've heard say that, are arguing that Ancient Egypt and other ancient African civilizations were matriarical where women were the leaders because they believed that the universe is inherantly femenin and femenine energy was devine energy. So because of this they respected their women and there was no mysoginy. Also someting about the Vesica Piscis bieng inherently femenine and was the formation of the universe.
@@sawiros6273 well the bible is patriarchy