Chinese airlines are still some of the biggest buyers of Airbus and Boeing. Just that now there's now a third option for shorter haul flights within China. Until they get certification from European and US aviation authorities to fly beyond China.
@ Perhaps, but I have heard that the EC/ EU often would put pressure on European carriers to show favouritism for Airbus over Boeing and McDonnell Douglas (going bad a few decades) as well as fledging carriers seeking routes into Europe. And, yes I am sure that Boeing, McDonnell Douglas got help from the boys, in D.C. to “encourage” the same. China is a whole different story as they are autocratic, Communist state, when they say jump, you say how high…? Air China likely had no way of saying no, as they are state-owned.
For at least the next 4 years it will probably have a hard time breaking into the US market. I have a feeling their target market will be primarily Asian and African carriers.
I can see asian, African and south Americans purchasing it and eventually, possible Europe too. USA tho? Maybe never lol, trying to get Chinese cars into the US market is already proving to be too much trouble and I can't even imagine planes...
Hardly comparable as building a car is much cheaper and simpler and the market is vast. Look at all the new entrants im the market, even from Viet Nam... Building a plane is a huge undertaking and costly. There are only a few players to provide you what you cannot build yourself so getting a headstart as outsider is super difficult. Last one and actually only example where this ever worked was Airbus. But the expertise and industry was generally existing in Europe. It doesn't in China. And building a shorthauler is much more forgiving than a longhauler as fuel consumption is key here and the C919, while using the same engines as the NEO, is only just above the level of the 737NG. The C929 will have to make a huge leap here or it will stay in China forever.
@@kingsharkoon The initial countries contributing to Airbus at it's inception were France, West Germany and the UK, all of which had aerospace industries to form it from.
Underestimate China's commercial jet industry at your own peril. Just look at the advances they have made in Drones, Solar Panels, Space Rockets, Fighter jets, Semiconductors and High Speed Rail. Yes they are indeed still behind the West in many regards in these areas but they are closing the gap at a pace that has already exceeded original estimates by Europe and the USA 😉
well they did make the C919 a reality, haven't they . . . a narrow body commercial jet designed & built in China . . . wouldn't be wise to doubt them now . . .
The problem is they’re 20 years late. Getting into aviation production now is not like 60’s, is incredibly hard. Plus government associated stigma is why Sukhoi never took off, and why Comac isn’t getting companies flocking to it despite Airbus and Boeing backlogs. Companies don’t like Airbus because of national corruption- Airbus relies heavily on corruption and strong arming smaller nations governed by the petty bourgeoisie to make sales. Take for example Sri Lankan Airlines, where corruption and deceptive tactics resulted in a multi billion dollar suite agaisnt Airbus during a corruption probe and the cancellation of all A350 orders.
@@NarasimhaDiyasena I don't think you know what petite bourgeoisie means How exactly does Airbus strong-arm small countries into purchasing their aircraft?.
@@NarasimhaDiyasena Sri Lankan Airlines could go ahead and order COMAC 929! China has been a good friend of Sri Lanka, and lent Sri Lanka lot and lot of money to build ports and airports. The only stipulation is if Sri Lanka cannot repay China's loans, then China will take over the ports & airports. What a sweet deal, right! Right?
This is AWESEOME! Can’t wait to see the 929 serve passengers. Also about the 909, that’s new as well. I didn’t know they rebreanded the rj21 to be the 909.
I am not sure why you are excited by the C929, as it will be restricted to those countries that China deals with through their soft funding diplomacy. COMAC does not have a global, spares, technical, engineering, traing and marketing network like Boeing, Airbus and Embraer has.
I don’t think so. Engine choice has become exception. Out of the currently produced Boeing and Airbus aircraft only the A320 and the 787 offer a choice, A220 A330 A350 737 and 777 all only have one option. I think Comac will do the same
It’s a genuine breath of fresh air to see a new player enter the aviation industry, and if a non-western manufacturer like Comac can make a dent in the stale Boeing-Airbus duopoly then it’s to be roundly welcomed. That said, the power of Boeing & Airbus in the aviation market together with their experience and pedigree building airliners which Comac completely lacks will be a major challenge. I expect some airlines in Asia and Africa to take advantage of the C929’s lower list price to begin their foray into widebody aviation, but I doubt any large orders from US, European or other major carriers will materialise anytime soon.
Competition is always good. COMAC is proving itself capable so far. And of course, before anyone mentions it again, the C919 uses and the future C929 will use lots of foreign components-- that's just how the industry functions. China can probably build a 100% domestic plane, but it just won't be commercially viable. These are airliners, not fighter jets. COMAC is there to make money.
@@JingJao Safer than 737MAX. And why not? Your Chinese TV didn't explode, your Chinese bus didn't catch on fire, and your Chinese kettle didn't electrocute you.
@@Terence-j2z There are hundreds, thousands MAX. There have been only a handful serious issues. It's not that extreme. The C919 is barely flying in low numbers. You are comparing apples and bread rolls...
The C929, will be restricted to those countries that China deals with through their soft funding diplomacy. COMAC does not have a global spares, technical, engineering, training and marketing network like Boeing, Airbus and Embraer has.
@@frankcg6731 - If China decides to make Taiwan a province of China, COMAC will not have a global market other than those countries that taken RMB/$ 'donations' from China.
@@chrismckellar9350 China has been talking about that Taiwan thing for decades, it's not hard to see that they are merely bluffing. politics aside, the engineering, training, and marketing network you speak of will come with time, sas they always do
@@frankcg6731 - It seems you don't understand what China's global geopolitical strategy is, to replace the US as the major economic and manufacturing power.
Not surprising given the potential of the Chinese market and potential buyers across Asia and Africa. Also the current disarray at Boeing provides COMAC with an opening that is very exploitable
They would need to get type certification for both EASA and FAA to even compete in the largest aviation markets. They don't have that certification for any of their current models in production. i.e. they can only fly in China or other countries that are okay with no certification from those entities. Not a lot of airspace for them to be allowed to fly in. Why this video doesn't address this obvious concern?
Why China don't have the right to be the 3th global aircraft manufacturer? US and Europe have been the global aircraft manufacturers since more than half century,... so if you have the right to do what you can, then why China haven't the right?
I wanna see COMAC attempt a jumbo of their own should there be a huge demand air travel locally, but it seems like China Railway and CRRC have a hold of domestic travel through their high speed rail services so I don’t think such a project would come to fruition unless to dunk on the Boeing-Airbus duopoly.
People in the comment section be like: the plane is not even in the prototype stage but we already know it is a copy. It really shows their bias. Clear as day.
The bias is 100% justified, everything China has achieved has been through espionage, deceit, and other highly dishonorable blatant stealing. The world will never respect them for that.
@@SomeoneFromBeijing really? They publicly released this design. And your saying people are biased for judging them on what they chose to show? Upon what else are they to be judged? I think you may be the bias one here.
Yes but why would airlines buy an inferior aircraft with no support network? Even if it entered service tomorrow the 787 and A350 would still beat it and re-engines on both are likely even with the 787 program not broke even yet despite record orders
It has import content, and spare parts are vulnerable. Western countries in the interest of cheap manufacturing are to be blamed. The reverse engineering of the same worked out for China. Research and engineering works in free Enterprise. China made this work with communism due to the blunders of Western foreign diplomacy. 3:53
Almost every major industrial powers use that route. One should even revisit the Industrial Revolution from the 18th century with England before the rest of continental Europe, the US, Japan, Russia and, after WW2 China, Turkiye, South Korea and India.
If Boeing is not getting their act together anytime soon, the duopoly will be either gone with three major players - or even worse, a duopoly where Boeing is not one of them.
Hate to say it but this plane will never find a market in the west, unproven and designed by a country in competition with the west… think of it as a soviet era airliner…
China has only exported the C909 to one airline. There are no foreign orders for the C919. When China starts exporting appreciable numbers of planes, you can then label it a competitor.
And even the C909 sale was only due to political leverage used. Nah, wake me up when Comac actually sells planes internationally without political leverage being used. Maybe in two decades?
@@jantjarks7946 Welcome to the club, I get at least 10% of my comments across various subjects, disappear after 1 minute. YT are the most censorious of any social media I've come across. All it takes is one hapless individual to complain that they lost an argument with you and feel humiliated by it, for YT to have your channel mark you out from then on, and create restrictions on what you can say. And if its a long, technical reply, on aviation, for example, the algorithms will take it down, just in case you're saying something they might not like............
@@osasunaitor 'check wiki' lol The Wiki tells us nothing about how efficient this plane is thought to be. It's still only advertising even if it's in the wiki. And even when considering those numbers as set it definitely is more of an A350 fuselage on A330-900 performance.
@@osasunaitor Sure, engine efficiency and range specs on a drawing board design has to be accuriate, right? Don't matter if they haven't picked an engine for it, wiki has to be correct cuz it's the wiki right? XD
China's high technology is so advance,left Europe and japan behind, just waiting a not so longer time,China will be #1 in high tech in all devision and left US become #2
Good luck to anyone booking a flight on that. Funny how it looks similar to a 787. China just doing the same with the car market copying others designs.
Shocker, I fully expected Delta to be the 1st customer
😅
hahaha it is impossible
It's not exactly a surprise tbh
State-run airline is compelled by the state to purchase state-run aircraft
Sold it to themselves 👌
So did Airbus and Boeing when they first started. Moronic comment.
Is fine, market of China is big enough.
Yeah, like they had a choice…
Chinese airlines are still some of the biggest buyers of Airbus and Boeing. Just that now there's now a third option for shorter haul flights within China. Until they get certification from European and US aviation authorities to fly beyond China.
@ Perhaps, but I have heard that the EC/ EU often would put pressure on European carriers to show favouritism for Airbus over Boeing and McDonnell Douglas (going bad a few decades) as well as fledging carriers seeking routes into Europe. And, yes I am sure that Boeing, McDonnell Douglas got help from the boys, in D.C. to “encourage” the same. China is a whole different story as they are autocratic, Communist state, when they say jump, you say how high…? Air China likely had no way of saying no, as they are state-owned.
Basically, a 787 with the A350 engine's designs
787 made in china
Oh no. Not PW GTF?!?
and so? Even tough if it's a copy, China would make planes as good quality as Airbus or Boeing
@sunday6099 The aircraft is not even on the production line
Maybe not a bad idea?
For at least the next 4 years it will probably have a hard time breaking into the US market. I have a feeling their target market will be primarily Asian and African carriers.
For the next two decades. Let's not pretend that Comac would be competitive, it isn't.
I can see asian, African and south Americans purchasing it and eventually, possible Europe too. USA tho? Maybe never lol, trying to get Chinese cars into the US market is already proving to be too much trouble and I can't even imagine planes...
@@LITTLEgiiant Why would anyone buy them freely, without political leverage applied?
There's no reason.
4 years? Try a decade, at least.
Even if this takes 30 years to pump out 10 a month it will be a success.
Waiting for triple decker C989 😂or 949
They may actually do it despite what the market conditions saying not to
Its always only a matter of time.... just ask the world car industry.
Hardly comparable as building a car is much cheaper and simpler and the market is vast. Look at all the new entrants im the market, even from Viet Nam... Building a plane is a huge undertaking and costly. There are only a few players to provide you what you cannot build yourself so getting a headstart as outsider is super difficult. Last one and actually only example where this ever worked was Airbus. But the expertise and industry was generally existing in Europe. It doesn't in China.
And building a shorthauler is much more forgiving than a longhauler as fuel consumption is key here and the C919, while using the same engines as the NEO, is only just above the level of the 737NG. The C929 will have to make a huge leap here or it will stay in China forever.
@@kingsharkoon The initial countries contributing to Airbus at it's inception were France, West Germany and the UK, all of which had aerospace industries to form it from.
@@kingsharkoon type that on your chinese made keyboard.
Is China making the C909 C919,Cp29 etc,to try and out compete boeing,with the troubles boeing have had//having with there B737's etc.??
@@kingsharkoonThe 919 does not use the same engine aa the Neo... The LEAP1Cs are closer in performance to the 56 than the LEAP1As on the Neo.
Underestimate China's commercial jet industry at your own peril. Just look at the advances they have made in Drones, Solar Panels, Space Rockets, Fighter jets, Semiconductors and High Speed Rail. Yes they are indeed still behind the West in many regards in these areas but they are closing the gap at a pace that has already exceeded original estimates by Europe and the USA 😉
well they did make the C919 a reality, haven't they . . . a narrow body commercial jet designed & built in China . . . wouldn't be wise to doubt them now . . .
Need to monitor their track record over a period of time.
The problem is they’re 20 years late. Getting into aviation production now is not like 60’s, is incredibly hard. Plus government associated stigma is why Sukhoi never took off, and why Comac isn’t getting companies flocking to it despite Airbus and Boeing backlogs. Companies don’t like Airbus because of national corruption- Airbus relies heavily on corruption and strong arming smaller nations governed by the petty bourgeoisie to make sales. Take for example Sri Lankan Airlines, where corruption and deceptive tactics resulted in a multi billion dollar suite agaisnt Airbus during a corruption probe and the cancellation of all A350 orders.
@@NarasimhaDiyasena
I don't think you know what petite bourgeoisie means
How exactly does Airbus strong-arm small countries into purchasing their aircraft?.
@@NarasimhaDiyasena Sri Lankan Airlines could go ahead and order COMAC 929! China has been a good friend of Sri Lanka, and lent Sri Lanka lot and lot of money to build ports and airports. The only stipulation is if Sri Lanka cannot repay China's loans, then China will take over the ports & airports. What a sweet deal, right! Right?
Unless the price is very cheap,else why should airlines operator buy c919 instead of a320 ,b737 which had proven track record.
What date are we talking about being “in service”? I didn’t hear that in the video….
Did they just steal the 787’s design? If not, how is their plane a viable competitor at all?
I’m all for developments in aviation. But I’m still sketched out by the quality of products from this country in particular.
They need to make the range more than 12,000km.
This is the least surprising news there's ever been.
This is AWESEOME! Can’t wait to see the 929 serve passengers. Also about the 909, that’s new as well. I didn’t know they rebreanded the rj21 to be the 909.
I am not sure why you are excited by the C929, as it will be restricted to those countries that China deals with through their soft funding diplomacy. COMAC does not have a global, spares, technical, engineering, traing and marketing network like Boeing, Airbus and Embraer has.
For now. As they mature so will their supply chain. Just like their ev industry. There's nothing that they need from anyone that goes into their evs.
Shocker
I wonder if they will provide two engine options
I don’t think so. Engine choice has become exception. Out of the currently produced Boeing and Airbus aircraft only the A320 and the 787 offer a choice, A220 A330 A350 737 and 777 all only have one option. I think Comac will do the same
Gee, Batman, I wonder why these airplanes are never certified outside of China or countries within it's sphere of control?
Iam happy to see chinese technology and inventions C929 is absolutely gorgeous aircraft.
Yes, 70% using western parts and technologies lol
Certified worldwide, or just in China? As usual! Nevertheless, I wish them success!
AFAIK can only operate in China, Russia, NK, Malaysia and any other countries that do not conform to ICAO certification standards.
@@AnotherPointOfView944 Thanks! 👍 I wonder if they will, and when!
@@AnotherPointOfView944 well, until the C929 is close to verification a lot in the world might change. 7-12 years in the future. 😂
There may not be a market output in the US, Canada and Mexico. This is practically a program being sold to its own enterprise in China.
Supply network needs to be good if it will be a success once delivered.
It’s a genuine breath of fresh air to see a new player enter the aviation industry, and if a non-western manufacturer like Comac can make a dent in the stale Boeing-Airbus duopoly then it’s to be roundly welcomed. That said, the power of Boeing & Airbus in the aviation market together with their experience and pedigree building airliners which Comac completely lacks will be a major challenge. I expect some airlines in Asia and Africa to take advantage of the C929’s lower list price to begin their foray into widebody aviation, but I doubt any large orders from US, European or other major carriers will materialise anytime soon.
Competition is always good. COMAC is proving itself capable so far.
And of course, before anyone mentions it again, the C919 uses and the future C929 will use lots of foreign components-- that's just how the industry functions. China can probably build a 100% domestic plane, but it just won't be commercially viable. These are airliners, not fighter jets. COMAC is there to make money.
Would you fly in one?
@JingJao I will fly on one I am sure it will be more safe that a max.
@@JingJao Safer than 737MAX.
And why not? Your Chinese TV didn't explode, your Chinese bus didn't catch on fire, and your Chinese kettle didn't electrocute you.
@@JingJao How about I fly in a 919 and you fly in a 737max?
@@Terence-j2z There are hundreds, thousands MAX. There have been only a handful serious issues. It's not that extreme. The C919 is barely flying in low numbers. You are comparing apples and bread rolls...
C929's only customer to be Air China
FIFY
a350-787 lol
The C929, will be restricted to those countries that China deals with through their soft funding diplomacy. COMAC does not have a global spares, technical, engineering, training and marketing network like Boeing, Airbus and Embraer has.
*yet. the Key word is yet, as COMAC is still super young is this industry
@@frankcg6731 - If China decides to make Taiwan a province of China, COMAC will not have a global market other than those countries that taken RMB/$ 'donations' from China.
@@chrismckellar9350 China has been talking about that Taiwan thing for decades, it's not hard to see that they are merely bluffing. politics aside, the engineering, training, and marketing network you speak of will come with time, sas they always do
@@frankcg6731 - It seems you don't understand what China's global geopolitical strategy is, to replace the US as the major economic and manufacturing power.
Not surprising given the potential of the Chinese market and potential buyers across Asia and Africa. Also the current disarray at Boeing provides COMAC with an opening that is very exploitable
They would need to get type certification for both EASA and FAA to even compete in the largest aviation markets. They don't have that certification for any of their current models in production. i.e. they can only fly in China or other countries that are okay with no certification from those entities. Not a lot of airspace for them to be allowed to fly in. Why this video doesn't address this obvious concern?
FAA and EASA Agreement ??
In the 60s, Pakistan 🇵🇰 taught Chinese to fly a commercial jet that was Boeing 707.
I wonder how it will perform.
Nice to see more competition
Only fair competition and not stealing to close gap.
Why China don't have the right to be the 3th global aircraft manufacturer?
US and Europe have been the global aircraft manufacturers since more than half century,... so if you have the right to do what you can, then why China haven't the right?
I wanna see COMAC attempt a jumbo of their own should there be a huge demand air travel locally, but it seems like China Railway and CRRC have a hold of domestic travel through their high speed rail services so I don’t think such a project would come to fruition unless to dunk on the Boeing-Airbus duopoly.
Super jumbos won't work for the Chinese the same reason they don't work for the Americans - too many “hubs”.
Surely, in the coming years, chinese aircraft manufacuturers will compete in the gobal market.
Did they just rip off the A350 wing?
Similar to C919,china government will assign political duty to china major airline to purchase C929,economical surely out of their consideration.
People in the comment section be like: the plane is not even in the prototype stage but we already know it is a copy.
It really shows their bias. Clear as day.
It also shows how racist they are, just because it aint a european or American company they have right to hate anything
The bias is 100% justified, everything China has achieved has been through espionage, deceit, and other highly dishonorable blatant stealing. The world will never respect them for that.
Just look at the Design, that's clearly the 787 Wing + the 787 Cockpit Windows
@@mileniumfalconYou just proved my point. The plane is a drawing/rendering at this stage and you're already crying about "copying".
@@SomeoneFromBeijing really? They publicly released this design. And your saying people are biased for judging them on what they chose to show? Upon what else are they to be judged? I think you may be the bias one here.
Healthy Competition is always good for the people and world
Yes but why would airlines buy an inferior aircraft with no support network? Even if it entered service tomorrow the 787 and A350 would still beat it and re-engines on both are likely even with the 787 program not broke even yet despite record orders
You’re mistaking state subsidies for healthy competition.
It has import content, and spare parts are vulnerable.
Western countries in the interest of cheap manufacturing are to be blamed. The reverse engineering of the same worked out for China.
Research and engineering works in free Enterprise. China made this work with communism due to the blunders of Western foreign diplomacy. 3:53
And engine by Rolls Royce
It will take a long time to certify the C929, and especially by the FAA and EASA. Where will the plane fly outside of China in the meantime?
No way
they even copy the namesystem of a western aircraft manufacturer ... B747 ...C929 ....
It’s only air China because China made it lmao
At least it looks better than the ugly Airbus a330 neo😅
This china copy everything like fighter jet,bomber, cargo aircraft and awacs etc.And now they're copy this 787.
resembles more of an enlarged C919
Almost every major industrial powers use that route.
One should even revisit the Industrial Revolution from the 18th century with England before the rest of continental Europe, the US, Japan, Russia and, after WW2 China, Turkiye, South Korea and India.
Even if China literally builds a star destroyer, you'll still claim it copied from someone.
Of course, "copying a plane" is very easy, your country didn't do it must due to the reason that your country can make better planes on its own.
@@yangtianyi9563 the country that doesn’t produce a product still has more integrity than a country that copied a product from somewhere else
The 787 is peak, China cannot best Boeing’s swan🔥
No one wants Boeing unless you want a door flies away in mid-air lol
If Boeing is not getting their act together anytime soon, the duopoly will be either gone with three major players - or even worse, a duopoly where Boeing is not one of them.
We love and like china but stop harassing ughour peoples for their religious rights.
We'll believe it when we see it.
Hate to say it but this plane will never find a market in the west, unproven and designed by a country in competition with the west… think of it as a soviet era airliner…
Underestimate China and find out how much they've improved
If the US doesn't ban that airplane from operating in the US, it would stun me. That think is just a surveillance airplane flying people.
Never take this airplane.
737 Max fits you
By the time they get it certified to fly to destinations in the EU or North America every other airline will have moved on to better things.
It'll never fly outside of China or Russia! Count on it! 😂
China has only exported the C909 to one airline.
There are no foreign orders for the C919.
When China starts exporting appreciable numbers of planes, you can then label it a competitor.
what on earth is the c909?
And even the C909 sale was only due to political leverage used.
Nah, wake me up when Comac actually sells planes internationally without political leverage being used. Maybe in two decades?
@AbdullahNajib-b9z - If you'd actually listened to the video, you would know the C909 is the renamed ARJ-21.
I see, my comments are deleted again. Let's give the comment section to children then.
😂
@@jantjarks7946
Welcome to the club, I get at least 10% of my comments across various subjects, disappear after 1 minute. YT are the most censorious of any social media I've come across. All it takes is one hapless individual to complain that they lost an argument with you and feel humiliated by it, for YT to have your channel mark you out from then on, and create restrictions on what you can say. And if its a long, technical reply, on aviation, for example, the algorithms will take it down, just in case you're saying something they might not like............
Ah yes, the blatant copy of the 787 that looks identical but has worse specifications in every regard (excluding price). Classic Chinese move.
you type that sitting on your comfy nato made chair!oh wait,its chinese.never mind!
You sound like you know the specs of that plane. Wonder where you get your sources, since that plane is only a drawing at this stage 😅
@frankcg6731 lmao it's all public and published mate. Just check the wiki page.
@@osasunaitor 'check wiki' lol
The Wiki tells us nothing about how efficient this plane is thought to be. It's still only advertising even if it's in the wiki. And even when considering those numbers as set it definitely is more of an A350 fuselage on A330-900 performance.
@@osasunaitor Sure, engine efficiency and range specs on a drawing board design has to be accuriate, right? Don't matter if they haven't picked an engine for it, wiki has to be correct cuz it's the wiki right? XD
Looking at how fast C919 production has ramped up expect to see the C929’s maiden flight about the same time we see Halley's Comet.
Won't ever catch me flying an airline that has comacs
China's high technology is so advance,left Europe and japan behind, just waiting a not so longer time,China will be #1 in high tech in all devision and left US become #2
Has anyone else ever flown China air ?
I have, on a B777-300ER between London and Beijing this summer.
I's sure they surpassed Boeing's quality
manufacturing standards long time ago...
I wouldn't be so confident in that assertion.
way more worse
Any evidence of that….?
China is advancing rapidly
Will beat 330neo
787,dont know
No, it won't. 😅 If it gets even close to the A330NEO I will be thoroughly impressed. The 787 isn't much better than the 330 either. Lol
They didn't reveal the performance yet
The joker is back 😂😂
Comac beats no one. Let's not pretend that they would be competitive, they aren't. At least for the next two decades.
@@jantjarks7946 type on your chinese made keyboard
They will copy it and send their own onto the market!
I will NOT fly in any Chinese made aircraft if even the ticket was free.
There're plenty A320 made in China. What piss you off that much MrHappy?
Good luck to anyone booking a flight on that.
Funny how it looks similar to a 787.
China just doing the same with the car market copying others designs.
China is currently like Japan was in the '70s. They copied everything they could get their hands on.
type on your chinese made keyboard.
And about as many of these planes will be flown in the US as Chinese cars are being sold in the US.
It's better than your capitalist based Boeing flying coffin