Boeing predicts China's commercial fleet will more than double by 2043, with 8,830 new planes expected to be delivered during that period!! The domestic market in China alone will keep COMAC busy for a while, Boeing and Airbus will be losing sales.
Not surprising given the potential of the Chinese market and potential buyers across Asia and Africa. Also the current disarray at Boeing provides COMAC with an opening that is very exploitable
well they did make the C919 a reality, haven't they . . . a narrow body commercial jet designed & built in China . . . wouldn't be wise to doubt them now . . .
The problem is they’re 20 years late. Getting into aviation production now is not like 60’s, is incredibly hard. Plus government associated stigma is why Sukhoi never took off, and why Comac isn’t getting companies flocking to it despite Airbus and Boeing backlogs. Companies don’t like Airbus because of national corruption- Airbus relies heavily on corruption and strong arming smaller nations governed by the petty bourgeoisie to make sales. Take for example Sri Lankan Airlines, where corruption and deceptive tactics resulted in a multi billion dollar suite agaisnt Airbus during a corruption probe and the cancellation of all A350 orders.
@@NarasimhaDiyasena I don't think you know what petite bourgeoisie means How exactly does Airbus strong-arm small countries into purchasing their aircraft?.
@@NarasimhaDiyasena Sri Lankan Airlines could go ahead and order COMAC 929! China has been a good friend of Sri Lanka, and lent Sri Lanka lot and lot of money to build ports and airports. The only stipulation is if Sri Lanka cannot repay China's loans, then China will take over the ports & airports. What a sweet deal, right! Right?
Hardly comparable as building a car is much cheaper and simpler and the market is vast. Look at all the new entrants im the market, even from Viet Nam... Building a plane is a huge undertaking and costly. There are only a few players to provide you what you cannot build yourself so getting a headstart as outsider is super difficult. Last one and actually only example where this ever worked was Airbus. But the expertise and industry was generally existing in Europe. It doesn't in China. And building a shorthauler is much more forgiving than a longhauler as fuel consumption is key here and the C919, while using the same engines as the NEO, is only just above the level of the 737NG. The C929 will have to make a huge leap here or it will stay in China forever.
@@kingsharkoon The initial countries contributing to Airbus at it's inception were France, West Germany and the UK, all of which had aerospace industries to form it from.
This is AWESEOME! Can’t wait to see the 929 serve passengers. Also about the 909, that’s new as well. I didn’t know they rebreanded the rj21 to be the 909.
I am not sure why you are excited by the C929, as it will be restricted to those countries that China deals with through their soft funding diplomacy. COMAC does not have a global, spares, technical, engineering, traing and marketing network like Boeing, Airbus and Embraer has.
Yes but why would airlines buy an inferior aircraft with no support network? Even if it entered service tomorrow the 787 and A350 would still beat it and re-engines on both are likely even with the 787 program not broke even yet despite record orders
Since the C929 wide body aircraft has a launching customer its future is now secured. Boeing's dreamliner has a less efficient fuel consumption and older technology than the C929. Comac will surpass Boeing as the C919 and C929 are more modern aircraft with less operating and maintenance costs than the 737max and 787 or 777.
@crazylife726 well, that is wrong. I have actually worked in an aircraft manufacturing company and responsible for the provisioning information system. Our first launching customer was a big airline in Europa. Before the delivery of the actual aircraft we had to be ready with all the systems from technical publication to provisioning information system. Without these systems the aircraft cannot be put into service which is a big loss for the airline. As the C929 has a launching customer the risks of having produced an aircraft and all its spare parts and information systems are minimized.
It’s a genuine breath of fresh air to see a new player enter the aviation industry, and if a non-western manufacturer like Comac can make a dent in the stale Boeing-Airbus duopoly then it’s to be roundly welcomed. That said, the power of Boeing & Airbus in the aviation market together with their experience and pedigree building airliners which Comac completely lacks will be a major challenge. I expect some airlines in Asia and Africa to take advantage of the C929’s lower list price to begin their foray into widebody aviation, but I doubt any large orders from US, European or other major carriers will materialise anytime soon.
Underestimate China's commercial jet industry at your own peril. Just look at the advances they have made in Drones, Solar Panels, Space Rockets, Fighter jets, Semiconductors and High Speed Rail. Yes they are indeed still behind the West in many regards in these areas. However, they are closing the gap at a pace that has already exceeded original estimates by Europe and the USA 😉
@@nguyenluu3237 You can't build Rome in one day. Westerners always downplay China's achievement, that's actually good. "The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on"
Competition is always good. COMAC is proving itself capable so far. And of course, before anyone mentions it again, the C919 uses and the future C929 will use lots of foreign components-- that's just how the industry functions. China can probably build a 100% domestic plane, but it just won't be commercially viable. These are airliners, not fighter jets. COMAC is there to make money.
@@JingJao Safer than 737MAX. And why not? Your Chinese TV didn't explode, your Chinese bus didn't catch on fire, and your Chinese kettle didn't electrocute you.
@@Terence-j2z There are hundreds, thousands MAX. There have been only a handful serious issues. It's not that extreme. The C919 is barely flying in low numbers. You are comparing apples and bread rolls...
I don’t think so. Engine choice has become exception. Out of the currently produced Boeing and Airbus aircraft only the A320 and the 787 offer a choice, A220 A330 A350 737 and 777 all only have one option. I think Comac will do the same
@@MrSchwabentier The A330 and 777 used to have choice from all 3 but that ended with the 2nd generation variants when Airbus went with RR and Boeing went with GE and repeated history again for 777X 3rd generation
Chinese airlines are still some of the biggest buyers of Airbus and Boeing. Just that now there's now a third option for shorter haul flights within China. Until they get certification from European and US aviation authorities to fly beyond China.
@ Perhaps, but I have heard that the EC/ EU often would put pressure on European carriers to show favouritism for Airbus over Boeing and McDonnell Douglas (going bad a few decades) as well as fledging carriers seeking routes into Europe. And, yes I am sure that Boeing, McDonnell Douglas got help from the boys, in D.C. to “encourage” the same. China is a whole different story as they are autocratic, Communist state, when they say jump, you say how high…? Air China likely had no way of saying no, as they are state-owned.
It was actually not surprising for China to develop and produce the C919, given that they have experience with assembly of the airbus A320. The C929 however, is a rather ambitious one considering the withdrawal of Russian support, as China never had their hands on production line for a modern wide body aircraft. And even if they manage to assemble one, it will be highly experimental, and unlikely to be as efficient as the latest ones offered by the current duopoly.
From everything I've heard a lot of the parts they still purchase from many different countries, this seems to cause several issues for them a)costs are higher per plane due to have to importing parts b)supply chain issues which slow down production. China is really good at remediating these types of production and supply chain issues, which seems like it would solve those issues. I hope this becomes a competior against Boeing and Airbus, it's been a dualopoly in this space for far too long and Boeing has gotten lax in safety standards and training over the years in which has lead to crashes. It's just better for the consumer to have more competition, hopefully it will eventually help control the price of airplane tickets. Comac planes might be a competitor in the near term in non-Western countries (ex. China internal, Russia, S.E Asia and Africa). Not in USA or Canada, or Europe for a long time. I heard the approval process for EU takes 10+ years. If it wasn't China most likely 20 years. The fact the the Comac planes will be sold to Chinese Airlines first and will prove their worth will expedite the process I think.
For at least the next 4 years it will probably have a hard time breaking into the US market. I have a feeling their target market will be primarily Asian and African carriers.
I can see asian, African and south Americans purchasing it and eventually, possible Europe too. USA tho? Maybe never lol, trying to get Chinese cars into the US market is already proving to be too much trouble and I can't even imagine planes...
I hope they build their aircraft to a higher standard than they build everything else. I've worked on Chinese built oil rigs. There's just little signs everywhere of low quality control. Uneven stairs etc. The fear would be about the quality of the parts in a world where they'd need to build it at a lower price than Airbus or Boeing. I could see Chinese airlines being ordered to buy it, and I could see Russian airlines buying it after the war as their own aircraft industry is down the toilet. Maybe countries under sanctions like Iran and Cuba. But I think it'll take decades before they'd see anything like western sales numbers elsewhere.
It will take multiple years of real-world flight data from a variety of non-domestic airlines before I purchase a ticket scheduled on that aircraft...or, the host nation will need to first DRAMATICALLY change its ways when it comes to issues surrounding transparency, quality control, and intellectual property.
I hope the 929 has onboard internet, even if it's the Chinanet. Flying Air China across the Pacific in their 777 without even WeChat shorts to pass the time made the flight feel longer than it was.
If it is only successful in China then it will be enough, the aviation market there is huge now, it is only getting much bigger as each year passes! Will it be bought in huge numbers outside of China? I dont think so. Its not needed. Europe and America, the two biggest aero markets, aren’t ever going to make a big switch to buying Chinese,
China has a market large enough for COMAC. The end goal is to compete on the global market, but before that replacing boeing and Airbus would be a huge success.
Considering that more than half the value of this plane comes from components sourced from western manufacturers it is hardly a great Chinese achievement. And the fact that a state owned carrier has ordered Comac models merely reflects a command from on high.
The C929, will be restricted to those countries that China deals with through their soft funding diplomacy. COMAC does not have a global spares, technical, engineering, training and marketing network like Boeing, Airbus and Embraer has.
@@frankcg6731 - If China decides to make Taiwan a province of China, COMAC will not have a global market other than those countries that taken RMB/$ 'donations' from China.
@@chrismckellar9350 China has been talking about that Taiwan thing for decades, it's not hard to see that they are merely bluffing. politics aside, the engineering, training, and marketing network you speak of will come with time, sas they always do
@@frankcg6731 - It seems you don't understand what China's global geopolitical strategy is, to replace the US as the major economic and manufacturing power.
If Boeing is not getting their act together anytime soon, the duopoly will be either gone with three major players - or even worse, a duopoly where Boeing is not one of them.
Once a purshase intention has been set, there is no way to look back, specially by an International operations Big chinese Airline such as this one . The game has started.
What % of these "Chinese" aircraft is actually Chinese and how much western technology are they using? If the US (and its allies) said "we consider Comac a national security threat and are banning US companies from selling parts to Comac anymore" could Comac keep making these planes?
Why China don't have the right to be the 3th global aircraft manufacturer? US and Europe have been the global aircraft manufacturers since more than half century,... so if you have the right to do what you can, then why China haven't the right?
People in the comment section be like: the plane is not even in the prototype stage but we already know it is a copy. It really shows their bias. Clear as day.
The bias is 100% justified, everything China has achieved has been through espionage, deceit, and other highly dishonorable blatant stealing. The world will never respect them for that.
@@SomeoneFromBeijing really? They publicly released this design. And your saying people are biased for judging them on what they chose to show? Upon what else are they to be judged? I think you may be the bias one here.
I wanna see COMAC attempt a jumbo of their own should there be a huge demand air travel locally, but it seems like China Railway and CRRC have a hold of domestic travel through their high speed rail services so I don’t think such a project would come to fruition unless to dunk on the Boeing-Airbus duopoly.
China has only exported the C909 to one airline. There are no foreign orders for the C919. When China starts exporting appreciable numbers of planes, you can then label it a competitor.
And even the C909 sale was only due to political leverage used. Nah, wake me up when Comac actually sells planes internationally without political leverage being used. Maybe in two decades?
@@jantjarks7946 Welcome to the club, I get at least 10% of my comments across various subjects, disappear after 1 minute. YT are the most censorious of any social media I've come across. All it takes is one hapless individual to complain that they lost an argument with you and feel humiliated by it, for YT to have your channel mark you out from then on, and create restrictions on what you can say. And if its a long, technical reply, on aviation, for example, the algorithms will take it down, just in case you're saying something they might not like............
Almost every major industrial powers use that route. One should even revisit the Industrial Revolution from the 18th century with England before the rest of continental Europe, the US, Japan, Russia and, after WW2 China, Turkiye, South Korea and India.
It has import content, and spare parts are vulnerable. Western countries in the interest of cheap manufacturing are to be blamed. The reverse engineering of the same worked out for China. Research and engineering works in free Enterprise. China made this work with communism due to the blunders of Western foreign diplomacy. 3:53
China's high technology is so advance,left Europe and japan behind, just waiting a not so longer time,China will be #1 in high tech in all devision and left US become #2
I think it likely that Russia will understand that it'll be cheaper to buy Chinese planes than develop their own. The Chinese internal market is huge, the Russian market isn't, and nobody would buy Russian airplanes but Russia, because the Chinese will undercut Russian airplane sales on price. Chinese manufacturers will have advantages of economies of scale over Russian ones.
I'm sorry but this "significantly looks like a very national security threat" anything that flies, I'm sure White House will say something like that....
First you copy other, later you can innovate new technology. China's industries blooming due the lack of patent violation law enforce, other country should also copy these method. Look how far their automotive industry now day.
They would need to get type certification for both EASA and FAA to even compete in the largest aviation markets. They don't have that certification for any of their current models in production. i.e. they can only fly in China or other countries that are okay with no certification from those entities. Not a lot of airspace for them to be allowed to fly in. Why this video doesn't address this obvious concern?
Comac's entire fleet look like an amalgamation of other aircraft from other manufacturers. Basically they copied other's homework and changed it a bit so it wouldn't be a total ripoff. The C909 looks like a combo of the MD80 and 717 families, with 737 elements, such as the side cockpit window plus the engines of the CRJ and a cockpit very reminiscent of Embraer. The C919 exterior borrows heavily from the 787, with the wings, tail cone, and cockpit windows being similar, as well as the cockpit practically ripping off the A220 with elements of the 787 included, such as the controls for the lower display unit.
@@harvinderubhi5540 This is a false equivalence, but I won't go down that route. Instead of going with "it looks like it", I'll tell you that many of the cockpit parts are literally just taken from others. The C919's fuel control switches for example are literally a Boeing part.
Shocker, I fully expected Delta to be the 1st customer
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hahaha it is impossible
It must get approval from FAA.
@@komeratparewa400 My god Americans, ever heard of sarcasm?
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It's not exactly a surprise tbh
State-run airline is compelled by the state to purchase state-run aircraft
@@rodneybell6997 Exactly. No surprises there.
@@rodneybell6997Sore loser.
This is the least surprising news there's ever been.
Boeing predicts China's commercial fleet will more than double by 2043, with 8,830 new planes expected to be delivered during that period!! The domestic market in China alone will keep COMAC busy for a while, Boeing and Airbus will be losing sales.
Not surprising given the potential of the Chinese market and potential buyers across Asia and Africa. Also the current disarray at Boeing provides COMAC with an opening that is very exploitable
well they did make the C919 a reality, haven't they . . . a narrow body commercial jet designed & built in China . . . wouldn't be wise to doubt them now . . .
Need to monitor their track record over a period of time.
The problem is they’re 20 years late. Getting into aviation production now is not like 60’s, is incredibly hard. Plus government associated stigma is why Sukhoi never took off, and why Comac isn’t getting companies flocking to it despite Airbus and Boeing backlogs. Companies don’t like Airbus because of national corruption- Airbus relies heavily on corruption and strong arming smaller nations governed by the petty bourgeoisie to make sales. Take for example Sri Lankan Airlines, where corruption and deceptive tactics resulted in a multi billion dollar suite agaisnt Airbus during a corruption probe and the cancellation of all A350 orders.
@@NarasimhaDiyasena
I don't think you know what petite bourgeoisie means
How exactly does Airbus strong-arm small countries into purchasing their aircraft?.
@@NarasimhaDiyasena Sri Lankan Airlines could go ahead and order COMAC 929! China has been a good friend of Sri Lanka, and lent Sri Lanka lot and lot of money to build ports and airports. The only stipulation is if Sri Lanka cannot repay China's loans, then China will take over the ports & airports. What a sweet deal, right! Right?
Unless the price is very cheap,else why should airlines operator buy c919 instead of a320 ,b737 which had proven track record.
Its always only a matter of time.... just ask the world car industry.
Hardly comparable as building a car is much cheaper and simpler and the market is vast. Look at all the new entrants im the market, even from Viet Nam... Building a plane is a huge undertaking and costly. There are only a few players to provide you what you cannot build yourself so getting a headstart as outsider is super difficult. Last one and actually only example where this ever worked was Airbus. But the expertise and industry was generally existing in Europe. It doesn't in China.
And building a shorthauler is much more forgiving than a longhauler as fuel consumption is key here and the C919, while using the same engines as the NEO, is only just above the level of the 737NG. The C929 will have to make a huge leap here or it will stay in China forever.
@@kingsharkoon The initial countries contributing to Airbus at it's inception were France, West Germany and the UK, all of which had aerospace industries to form it from.
@@kingsharkoon type that on your chinese made keyboard.
Is China making the C909 C919,Cp29 etc,to try and out compete boeing,with the troubles boeing have had//having with there B737's etc.??
@@kingsharkoonThe 919 does not use the same engine aa the Neo... The LEAP1Cs are closer in performance to the 56 than the LEAP1As on the Neo.
Best of luck to Comac.
This is AWESEOME! Can’t wait to see the 929 serve passengers. Also about the 909, that’s new as well. I didn’t know they rebreanded the rj21 to be the 909.
I am not sure why you are excited by the C929, as it will be restricted to those countries that China deals with through their soft funding diplomacy. COMAC does not have a global, spares, technical, engineering, traing and marketing network like Boeing, Airbus and Embraer has.
For now. As they mature so will their supply chain. Just like their ev industry. There's nothing that they need from anyone that goes into their evs.
C 909
C 919
C 929
C 939
Healthy Competition is always good for the people and world
Yes but why would airlines buy an inferior aircraft with no support network? Even if it entered service tomorrow the 787 and A350 would still beat it and re-engines on both are likely even with the 787 program not broke even yet despite record orders
You’re mistaking state subsidies for healthy competition.
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@@crazylife726 你急了😅，
Can't wait to fly on this aircraft
Since the C929 wide body aircraft has a launching customer its future is now secured. Boeing's dreamliner has a less efficient fuel consumption and older technology than the C929. Comac will surpass Boeing as the C919 and C929 are more modern aircraft with less operating and maintenance costs than the 737max and 787 or 777.
@@PhilipTan-i1u You’ve got it backwards kid. Industry analysis’s have said otherwise and there’s no spare parts support network
@crazylife726 well, that is wrong. I have actually worked in an aircraft manufacturing company and responsible for the provisioning information system. Our first launching customer was a big airline in Europa. Before the delivery of the actual aircraft we had to be ready with all the systems from technical publication to provisioning information system. Without these systems the aircraft cannot be put into service which is a big loss for the airline. As the C929 has a launching customer the risks of having produced an aircraft and all its spare parts and information systems are minimized.
Sold it to themselves 👌
So did Airbus and Boeing when they first started. Moronic comment.
Is fine, market of China is big enough.
Boeing sells the Americans 😂 what did u. Think ?
you still have to get on 737 max if youre american😂😂
I don’t think the doors will fall off.
Iam happy to see chinese technology and inventions C929 is absolutely gorgeous aircraft.
Yes, 70% using western parts and technologies lol
Chinese technology is an oxymoron
It’s a genuine breath of fresh air to see a new player enter the aviation industry, and if a non-western manufacturer like Comac can make a dent in the stale Boeing-Airbus duopoly then it’s to be roundly welcomed. That said, the power of Boeing & Airbus in the aviation market together with their experience and pedigree building airliners which Comac completely lacks will be a major challenge. I expect some airlines in Asia and Africa to take advantage of the C929’s lower list price to begin their foray into widebody aviation, but I doubt any large orders from US, European or other major carriers will materialise anytime soon.
because those 2 continents have their own product, sooner or later china will stop buying from those 2.
It’s a breath of fresh air to see IP theft?
Underestimate China's commercial jet industry at your own peril. Just look at the advances they have made in Drones, Solar Panels, Space Rockets, Fighter jets, Semiconductors and High Speed Rail. Yes they are indeed still behind the West in many regards in these areas. However, they are closing the gap at a pace that has already exceeded original estimates by Europe and the USA 😉
Build your own engine then talk ok
@@nguyenluu3237很抱歉前期使用外国的，慢慢国产化😂。
@xiakun1kuang 🤷♂️
@@nguyenluu3237 You can't build Rome in one day. Westerners always downplay China's achievement, that's actually good. "The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on"
Surely, in the coming years, chinese aircraft manufacuturers will compete in the gobal market.
Basically, a 787 with the A350 engine's designs
787 made in china
Oh no. Not PW GTF?!?
and so? Even tough if it's a copy, China would make planes as good quality as Airbus or Boeing
@sunday6099 The aircraft is not even on the production line
Maybe not a bad idea?
Competition is always good. COMAC is proving itself capable so far.
And of course, before anyone mentions it again, the C919 uses and the future C929 will use lots of foreign components-- that's just how the industry functions. China can probably build a 100% domestic plane, but it just won't be commercially viable. These are airliners, not fighter jets. COMAC is there to make money.
Would you fly in one?
@JingJao I will fly on one I am sure it will be more safe that a max.
@@JingJao Safer than 737MAX.
And why not? Your Chinese TV didn't explode, your Chinese bus didn't catch on fire, and your Chinese kettle didn't electrocute you.
@@JingJao How about I fly in a 919 and you fly in a 737max?
@@Terence-j2z There are hundreds, thousands MAX. There have been only a handful serious issues. It's not that extreme. The C919 is barely flying in low numbers. You are comparing apples and bread rolls...
What date are we talking about being “in service”? I didn’t hear that in the video….
2028 (also i think the C939 was stated to be put in service by 2032 but i can't recall where i heard of this)
There are already some flights operating between Beijing and shanghai
I doubt C929 will be in service by 2028, it is more likely beyond 2032 before entering service.
Nice to see more competition
Only fair competition and not stealing to close gap.
They are never making it out of China btw. FAA will refuse approval
I wonder if they will provide two engine options
I don’t think so. Engine choice has become exception. Out of the currently produced Boeing and Airbus aircraft only the A320 and the 787 offer a choice, A220 A330 A350 737 and 777 all only have one option. I think Comac will do the same
@@MrSchwabentier The A330 and 777 used to have choice from all 3 but that ended with the 2nd generation variants when Airbus went with RR and Boeing went with GE and repeated history again for 777X 3rd generation
@@crazylife726 I know, I was obviously talking about currently available models
More will follow soon…congratulations..
Yeah, like they had a choice…
Chinese airlines are still some of the biggest buyers of Airbus and Boeing. Just that now there's now a third option for shorter haul flights within China. Until they get certification from European and US aviation authorities to fly beyond China.
@ Perhaps, but I have heard that the EC/ EU often would put pressure on European carriers to show favouritism for Airbus over Boeing and McDonnell Douglas (going bad a few decades) as well as fledging carriers seeking routes into Europe. And, yes I am sure that Boeing, McDonnell Douglas got help from the boys, in D.C. to “encourage” the same. China is a whole different story as they are autocratic, Communist state, when they say jump, you say how high…? Air China likely had no way of saying no, as they are state-owned.
They need to make the range more than 12,000km.
In practice no airline wants to fly such long routes and China is within the reach of 90% of world population for a 12000 km range.
It was actually not surprising for China to develop and produce the C919, given that they have experience with assembly of the airbus A320.
The C929 however, is a rather ambitious one considering the withdrawal of Russian support, as China never had their hands on production line for a modern wide body aircraft. And even if they manage to assemble one, it will be highly experimental, and unlikely to be as efficient as the latest ones offered by the current duopoly.
Waiting for triple decker C989 😂or 949
They may actually do it despite what the market conditions saying not to
Why not, waiting is good
the c999 will fly at the stratosphere, Beijing to New York in 30 minutes.
@@YSKWatch sure...anything is possible
They will be the only customer
FAA and EASA Agreement ??
a350-787 lol
Supply network needs to be good if it will be a success once delivered.
There may not be a market output in the US, Canada and Mexico. This is practically a program being sold to its own enterprise in China.
They won't need America or even Europe. They are targeting other nations that have grievance with the west like those in southeast Asia and Africa.
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From everything I've heard a lot of the parts they still purchase from many different countries, this seems to cause several issues for them a)costs are higher per plane due to have to importing parts b)supply chain issues which slow down production. China is really good at remediating these types of production and supply chain issues, which seems like it would solve those issues. I hope this becomes a competior against Boeing and Airbus, it's been a dualopoly in this space for far too long and Boeing has gotten lax in safety standards and training over the years in which has lead to crashes. It's just better for the consumer to have more competition, hopefully it will eventually help control the price of airplane tickets.
Comac planes might be a competitor in the near term in non-Western countries (ex. China internal, Russia, S.E Asia and Africa). Not in USA or Canada, or Europe for a long time. I heard the approval process for EU takes 10+ years. If it wasn't China most likely 20 years. The fact the the Comac planes will be sold to Chinese Airlines first and will prove their worth will expedite the process I think.
For at least the next 4 years it will probably have a hard time breaking into the US market. I have a feeling their target market will be primarily Asian and African carriers.
For the next two decades. Let's not pretend that Comac would be competitive, it isn't.
I can see asian, African and south Americans purchasing it and eventually, possible Europe too. USA tho? Maybe never lol, trying to get Chinese cars into the US market is already proving to be too much trouble and I can't even imagine planes...
@@LITTLEgiiant Why would anyone buy them freely, without political leverage applied?
There's no reason.
4 years? Try a decade, at least.
Even if this takes 30 years to pump out 10 a month it will be a success.
Raise your hand if you're surprised
I wonder how it will perform.
Certified worldwide, or just in China? As usual! Nevertheless, I wish them success!
AFAIK can only operate in China, Russia, NK, Malaysia and any other countries that do not conform to ICAO certification standards.
@@AnotherPointOfView944 Thanks! 👍 I wonder if they will, and when!
@@AnotherPointOfView944 well, until the C929 is close to verification a lot in the world might change. 7-12 years in the future. 😂
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I hope they build their aircraft to a higher standard than they build everything else. I've worked on Chinese built oil rigs. There's just little signs everywhere of low quality control. Uneven stairs etc.
The fear would be about the quality of the parts in a world where they'd need to build it at a lower price than Airbus or Boeing.
I could see Chinese airlines being ordered to buy it, and I could see Russian airlines buying it after the war as their own aircraft industry is down the toilet. Maybe countries under sanctions like Iran and Cuba.
But I think it'll take decades before they'd see anything like western sales numbers elsewhere.
It will take multiple years of real-world flight data from a variety of non-domestic airlines before I purchase a ticket scheduled on that aircraft...or, the host nation will need to first DRAMATICALLY change its ways when it comes to issues surrounding transparency, quality control, and intellectual property.
I hope the 929 has onboard internet, even if it's the Chinanet. Flying Air China across the Pacific in their 777 without even WeChat shorts to pass the time made the flight feel longer than it was.
the c919 already has so this definitely will
What's wrong with internet from China? Lol, this is hilarious considering the NSA spies on everyone.
Shocker
If it is only successful in China then it will be enough, the aviation market there is huge now, it is only getting much bigger as each year passes! Will it be bought in huge numbers outside of China? I dont think so. Its not needed. Europe and America, the two biggest aero markets, aren’t ever going to make a big switch to buying Chinese,
China has a market large enough for COMAC. The end goal is to compete on the global market, but before that replacing boeing and Airbus would be a huge success.
It will take a long time to certify the C929, and especially by the FAA and EASA. Where will the plane fly outside of China in the meantime?
Looking at how fast C919 production has ramped up expect to see the C929’s maiden flight about the same time we see Halley's Comet.
Considering that more than half the value of this plane comes from components sourced from western manufacturers it is hardly a great Chinese achievement. And the fact that a state owned carrier has ordered Comac models merely reflects a command from on high.
The C929, will be restricted to those countries that China deals with through their soft funding diplomacy. COMAC does not have a global spares, technical, engineering, training and marketing network like Boeing, Airbus and Embraer has.
*yet. the Key word is yet, as COMAC is still super young is this industry
@@frankcg6731 - If China decides to make Taiwan a province of China, COMAC will not have a global market other than those countries that taken RMB/$ 'donations' from China.
@@chrismckellar9350 China has been talking about that Taiwan thing for decades, it's not hard to see that they are merely bluffing. politics aside, the engineering, training, and marketing network you speak of will come with time, sas they always do
@@frankcg6731 - It seems you don't understand what China's global geopolitical strategy is, to replace the US as the major economic and manufacturing power.
@@chrismckellar9350😅你觉得你能代表全世界？😅还是你所在的国家地区能代表全世界？
It is definitely safer and more reliable than Boeing.
Wow big surprise (not) 😒
No way
If Boeing is not getting their act together anytime soon, the duopoly will be either gone with three major players - or even worse, a duopoly where Boeing is not one of them.
If the US doesn't ban that airplane from operating in the US, it would stun me. That think is just a surveillance airplane flying people.
С929🇨🇳👍🇨🇳👍🇨🇳👍🇨🇳👍🇨🇳👍
Once a purshase intention has been set, there is no way to look back, specially by an International operations Big chinese Airline such as this one . The game has started.
High end airplane which made in china.
What % of these "Chinese" aircraft is actually Chinese and how much western technology are they using? If the US (and its allies) said "we consider Comac a national security threat and are banning US companies from selling parts to Comac anymore" could Comac keep making these planes?
I’m all for developments in aviation. But I’m still sketched out by the quality of products from this country in particular.
Hold your breath....just look at the trade deficit between the western countries and China. ...why Can't it apply to planes?
Why China don't have the right to be the 3th global aircraft manufacturer?
US and Europe have been the global aircraft manufacturers since more than half century,... so if you have the right to do what you can, then why China haven't the right?
很简单，欧美的眼睛里我能做到的发展中国家绝对不可以去做，但凡你去做我就制裁，他们永远不会想着去做更好更便宜的产品给别人。
Underestimate China and find out how much they've improved
I rather walk all the way from China
Yet you text this from a device with 90% of components built in China?
In the 60s, Pakistan 🇵🇰 taught Chinese to fly a commercial jet that was Boeing 707.
What an brain dead you are the boeing will not themself provide necessary pilot training
Well done.
Maube an opportunity for BAE UK to seek to be a partner !!
Did they just steal the 787’s design? If not, how is their plane a viable competitor at all?
It's called reverse engineering, also innovation and development is not a monopoly of a selected few.
People in the comment section be like: the plane is not even in the prototype stage but we already know it is a copy.
It really shows their bias. Clear as day.
It also shows how racist they are, just because it aint a european or American company they have right to hate anything
The bias is 100% justified, everything China has achieved has been through espionage, deceit, and other highly dishonorable blatant stealing. The world will never respect them for that.
Just look at the Design, that's clearly the 787 Wing + the 787 Cockpit Windows
@@mileniumfalconYou just proved my point. The plane is a drawing/rendering at this stage and you're already crying about "copying".
@@SomeoneFromBeijing really? They publicly released this design. And your saying people are biased for judging them on what they chose to show? Upon what else are they to be judged? I think you may be the bias one here.
I wanna see COMAC attempt a jumbo of their own should there be a huge demand air travel locally, but it seems like China Railway and CRRC have a hold of domestic travel through their high speed rail services so I don’t think such a project would come to fruition unless to dunk on the Boeing-Airbus duopoly.
Super jumbos won't work for the Chinese the same reason they don't work for the Americans - too many “hubs”.
Waiting is good
We'll believe it when we see it.
At this point can't be worse than Boeing.
I'd fly that.
I dont think air china had a choice!
of course...Temu quality
China has only exported the C909 to one airline.
There are no foreign orders for the C919.
When China starts exporting appreciable numbers of planes, you can then label it a competitor.
what on earth is the c909?
And even the C909 sale was only due to political leverage used.
Nah, wake me up when Comac actually sells planes internationally without political leverage being used. Maybe in two decades?
@AbdullahNajib-b9z - If you'd actually listened to the video, you would know the C909 is the renamed ARJ-21.
I see, my comments are deleted again. Let's give the comment section to children then.
😂
@@jantjarks7946
Welcome to the club, I get at least 10% of my comments across various subjects, disappear after 1 minute. YT are the most censorious of any social media I've come across. All it takes is one hapless individual to complain that they lost an argument with you and feel humiliated by it, for YT to have your channel mark you out from then on, and create restrictions on what you can say. And if its a long, technical reply, on aviation, for example, the algorithms will take it down, just in case you're saying something they might not like............
They really do like making knock offs don't they? LMAO
It’s only air China because China made it lmao
Wow Air China has operated their fleet of 919s for months and has already got almost a 1 week total for 1 plane hours and flights 😂
This china copy everything like fighter jet,bomber, cargo aircraft and awacs etc.And now they're copy this 787.
resembles more of an enlarged C919
Almost every major industrial powers use that route.
One should even revisit the Industrial Revolution from the 18th century with England before the rest of continental Europe, the US, Japan, Russia and, after WW2 China, Turkiye, South Korea and India.
Even if China literally builds a star destroyer, you'll still claim it copied from someone.
Of course, "copying a plane" is very easy, your country didn't do it must due to the reason that your country can make better planes on its own.
@@yangtianyi9563 the country that doesn’t produce a product still has more integrity than a country that copied a product from somewhere else
Air China is state owned, they have no option
If it’s anything like the disposable crap they call ‘cars’….Yeah, there is NFW I’ll be getting on one of these pieces of junk.
It has import content, and spare parts are vulnerable.
Western countries in the interest of cheap manufacturing are to be blamed. The reverse engineering of the same worked out for China.
Research and engineering works in free Enterprise. China made this work with communism due to the blunders of Western foreign diplomacy. 3:53
China's high technology is so advance,left Europe and japan behind, just waiting a not so longer time,China will be #1 in high tech in all devision and left US become #2
By the time they get it certified to fly to destinations in the EU or North America every other airline will have moved on to better things.
Similar to C919,china government will assign political duty to china major airline to purchase C929,economical surely out of their consideration.
Why so....do they have lots of fuel and time to waste????
@@harvinderubhi5540they have a lot of money to waste,for CCP“FACE”is more important than money
Did they just rip off the A350 wing?
😂无能的嘲讽诋毁吧！开心😂😂😂
And engine by Rolls Royce
I wonder where they'll get their engines from, lol.
Self developed in the long run. Initially probably GE and RR
Why are they rocket science to develop???..All lot of the researchers and developers in the west are Chinese. ..be aware
@@MrSchwabentier RR is done after their Trent 1000 engines messed up so many Air China's 787s
domestic engine CJ2000.
One day the Chinese might create something original. Even the 9x9 naming scheme is just a ripoff of Boeing 7x7
I's sure they surpassed Boeing's quality
manufacturing standards long time ago...
I wouldn't be so confident in that assertion.
way more worse
Any evidence of that….?
Most of the products I unfortunately have to buy from China don’t last very long, built down to a price. We’ll see how things pan out.
That’s great! Now Aeroflot, S7 etc can also order C929 and show middle finger A & B. Just kidding.
I think it likely that Russia will understand that it'll be cheaper to buy Chinese planes than develop their own. The Chinese internal market is huge, the Russian market isn't, and nobody would buy Russian airplanes but Russia, because the Chinese will undercut Russian airplane sales on price. Chinese manufacturers will have advantages of economies of scale over Russian ones.
we'll add 100% tariff on their planes - DJT
C929's only customer to be Air China
FIFY
I'm sorry but this "significantly looks like a very national security threat" anything that flies, I'm sure White House will say something like that....
So, a Chinese government aircraft manufacturer sold some airplanes to a Chinese government airline. Huh
Everything is good with one exception Air China can't fly it to anywhere outside of China.
At least it looks better than the ugly Airbus a330 neo😅
First you copy other, later you can innovate new technology. China's industries blooming due the lack of patent violation law enforce, other country should also copy these method. Look how far their automotive industry now day.
They would need to get type certification for both EASA and FAA to even compete in the largest aviation markets. They don't have that certification for any of their current models in production. i.e. they can only fly in China or other countries that are okay with no certification from those entities. Not a lot of airspace for them to be allowed to fly in. Why this video doesn't address this obvious concern?
The 787 is peak, China cannot best Boeing’s swan🔥
No one wants Boeing unless you want a door flies away in mid-air lol
peak means after that the only way is go down. I kinda agree with that (accident, layoffs, etc).
C929 looks like 787-9 but with A350-900 wings
Comac's entire fleet look like an amalgamation of other aircraft from other manufacturers. Basically they copied other's homework and changed it a bit so it wouldn't be a total ripoff. The C909 looks like a combo of the MD80 and 717 families, with 737 elements, such as the side cockpit window plus the engines of the CRJ and a cockpit very reminiscent of Embraer. The C919 exterior borrows heavily from the 787, with the wings, tail cone, and cockpit windows being similar, as well as the cockpit practically ripping off the A220 with elements of the 787 included, such as the controls for the lower display unit.
If you studied gravity independently you would also arrive at newtons law....so why won't planes from other designers not converge ?
if you add 2+2 and your friend doing the same and both results are the same, doesn't mean your friend copy your result.
@@YSKWatch if he is an accountant then the answer may be what his boss wants, looks like lots of accountants around here to please their ego's
@@YSKWatch This is a false equivalence. Comparing something like design to an empirical field like mathematics is so dumb.
@@harvinderubhi5540 This is a false equivalence, but I won't go down that route. Instead of going with "it looks like it", I'll tell you that many of the cockpit parts are literally just taken from others. The C919's fuel control switches for example are literally a Boeing part.
they even copy the namesystem of a western aircraft manufacturer ... B747 ...C929 ....
Principles is science are the same everywhere, and discovery is not universal to the west.