THE BENCHMARK FOR ANY NEW TEAM! The Story of the Three 2010 Newcomer Teams (2010-2017)
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- In 2010, three new teams entered F1, with the FIA promising certain things that never came to fruition.
These three teams spent their entire lives in F1 at the back, with only one scoring a point and all three would be gone by the end of the 2016 season- As costs escalated, promises went unfulfilled and the rest of the grid was able to spend where they couldn't.
Had all three survived, with Haas arriving in 2016 we could have had the 26 cars the FIA deems to be the maximum safe amount for running at a Grand Prix. So what went wrong for them? Let's find out....
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Ignore BAR, they were Tyrrell...
I had a weird moment when i thought Force India were a rebrand and BAR was totally new, and had to stop myself writing Force India as a whole new team. THEY WERE BOTH RE BRANDS!
To be fair, BAR were and weren't a new entry depending on your definition of a new entry
When they bought Tyrrell, they only bought the entry slot Tyrrell had, they didn't use anything else and opened up the Brackley facilities used by Mercedes today. It's why Tyrrell is only loosely connected to Mercedes because like Toleman with Alpine, they aren't part of the linage of the teams who have used the same facilities (if you get my meaning)
You’re forgiven for the blunder Aidan “‘cause you’ve got a jaaaaaaag!” (I assume) love how those 3 new 2010 teams were all powered by a “Cozeh”
In all honesty Alpha Tauri is a truer Tyrrell successor than Merc because Paul Stoddard bought most of Tyrrell's assets. Only the name and entry rights went to BAR
Don't forget BAR got to Mercedes by way of Honda and Brawn
You were right to count BAR as a new team. They bought Tyrrell, but only to (unsuccessfully) try to claim their subsidised travel and other perks. But the new BAR team was a clean start, they didn't continue the team or culture of Tyrrell.
The FIA rightly ruled they there were a new entry, not continuing Tyrrell as a going concern, so their plan to buy Tyrrell cheap, shut it down and get more than they paid back in travel & TV money failed.
FIA - "We want more teams, less races
FOM - "We don't want more teams but we want more races."
I think the golden amount is 16 races, 23 is WAY too much
@@ryhatism If we drop the crappy races in ME and in Miami we're down to 18 which already seems much more bearable and we barely lose anything.
@@filiprumlwe can ditch all but 1 of the Arab races (Jeddah), Miami and Mexico. Profit.
@@filipruml18-20 races is like the middle ground IMO
The idea that Caterham were an F1 brand is just amazing to think about... like Nobel or Morgan... this company born from a shed was in Formula 1. It's like the 70's all over again.
Morgan turning up with a wooden car would be funny
We'll see Hesketh back on the grid soon........
How long before Reliant or Bond join the grid?
@@Quattro_Joewood be damned, if Morgan ever came to F1 we may see the cost cap counted in guineas (Joking, I've seen their LMP2 car at the Le Mans museum in France. It was very modern and very cool)
@@Quattro_Joe Don't laugh but Modus had F3 and F2 cars with plywood chassis and were seriously thinking of entering F1!
That 2016 Manor, though basic in design, was such a beautiful car, and like a 2023 Williams also a rocket on the straights. Shame Wehrlein couldn't prove his potential, seemed like the real deal at the time
It still angers me that he was removed from Sauber instead of erricson
I miss Minardi. Seeing them get a point was a highlight. Minnows among the sharks.
your not the only one.
Yes, but the team from faenza survived just under another name, and became a solid midfielder with two wins to their name based on their own pace and driver quality, not the mass crashing lottery luck.
Those Cosworth engine were key to which teams received entries, and why they were all doomed from the start. The budget cap wasn't the only promise made to the new teams which was broken. Bernie's plan after the manufacturer exodus was to do a deal with Cosworth to supply competitive customer engines to everyone who wanted them - a return to the DFV days. (Manufacturers can build their expensive engines if they want, but the playing field will be tilted against them.) To ensure the Cosworth engines were competitive they were to have a higher rev limit than everyone else (19k vs 18k iirc), and to ensure the project could be financially viable only teams which agreed to use the Cosworth engines got entries for 2010. (Prodrive had their own engine deal, so no entry for them. One of the new teams - Lotus?? - ditched their planned engine to get their entry accepted.)
Then the existing teams vetoed the higher rev limit, just like the cost cap. So both measures promised to the new teams to give them a fighting chance never happened.
Not bad Stewie impression-
It was really well done.
I just loved those few years when we had those three teams... letting aside my fanatism for having at least 26 cars in an F1 race, it was just so much fun to have three seperate battles between various teams in each GP, one at the top, one in the midfield and one between the backmarkers.
Unfun fact: Rubens Barrichello said that he was supposed to return in F1 in 2014 and maybe 2015 with Caterham, but Caterham pulled out of the american races. I am still sad that I didn't get to see Rubens back, I know he probably would've ended last in every race but I am still thinking about it
An odd coincidence is that two of the drivers from these teams went on to win the Indy 500 after their F1 "experience", and both were later employed by Andretti in IndyCar...
Rossi and Ericsson with an Indy 500 win and Alonso with 0. It’s quite mad really.
which was a bit of the problem with Alexander Rossi back then: Everybody wanted him (while nobody wanted to pay…) and he was still full-time in GP2
@@AidanMillward alonso´s bad luck works on every motorsport except for endurance
@@miguelcebriancarrasco1907 I mean… not like the LMP1 category was stacked when he won it…
@@AidanMillward yeah, tbf he was going to win it either way 🤣, at least the dude was one of the faster toyota drivers
The loss of these teams are such a huge blow in hindsight with how hard it has been trying to get Andretti over the line.
Alternate title: When F1 introduced LMP2s.
20 minute storytime? Let's goooo
Yeah... Wasn't expecting it to be that long. Which, coincidentally, is the title of my sex tape...
The longer the better (sex pun excluded)
The thing that really screwed the 3 new teams in 2010 was the FIA buckling to the big teams and failing to introduce the promised cost cap. They all came in thinking that they'd only have to work to a certain budget every year, but then had the rug pulled from underneath them because the big teams throwing a tantrum about the cost cap. It's only now, when they realised that they could also face financial ruin at the drop of a hat, that they've now agreed to it. That is why I firmly believe that Andretti can succeed where those 3 teams failed, especially seeing as they will be coming in with a manufacturers backing from the get go. I just hope that they, and the FIA, put to bed all the teams fear's and Andretti make it onto the grid.
One thing the recent process has shown though is how much the smaller teams are still struggling financially and that the FIA and FOM still have a long way to go in helping to support them. They should be working with them, to help them survive, instead of doing the bare minimum!!!!!
Iirc they dont really have a lot of manufacturor backing. GM is as invested as Ford is for RBPT. They shed out money and thats that. Its more of a sponsorship deal. Andretti was going to use Renaul enginges but recently Renault pulled out of the deal. I am still hoping for Andretti getting on the grid, but it looks dim.
@@thorstenfinke2751 you're both right and wrong. Yes Ford are only supplying funds and technical support to Red Bull Power Trains, and Andretti were going to be using rebadged Renault power units, that was only going to be until the new engine rules come in in 2026. From then on they will be getting full works support from GM. They will be supplying Andretti with their own bespoke power units, which they will be building and supplying all the technical support themselves. That also includes all trackside support, as well as at the factory, which will save Andretti, unlike Williams, Hass, etc, having to pay one of the other manufacturers.
That's one of the reasons why I think that the Andretti project will succeed where so many others have failed
I'll never forget Marussia's point in Monaco. I cried! I did that when Webber got points in Australia for Minardi too. Typical underdog lover :)
Thanks for this story, it's such a sad one for all 3 teams involved. There was so much potential, so much talent, but so little money.
Marussia sort of Haas!
Haas should be the benchmark. They scored points in their 1st race. In that race about the time the Haas cars were due to pit Alonso crashed. Ruth Buscombe working the strategy for Haas made the last second call telling the cars to stay out. The race was red flagged. Haas got free pit stops. A race call that is legendary to this day. When was the last time a new team scored points in their 1st race.
Brawn, 1st and 2nd on their debut.
I have a vivid recollection of Rossi running 11th at the wet championship-deciding US GP in 2015 and i remember I was hoping desperately for someone to spin-off or retire...poor guys, always had a soft spot for these teams. Just like I remember JB17 booting Kimi out of Q1 at the British GP (or something like that)
Heikki kovaleinnen needs a video of his own in your mid level drivers with marginal success series…. He was mad underrated at Renault and had stiff competition and bad luck at mclaren… overperformed in shit machinery at lotus/caterham too
Manor made a major blunder in 2010 - the greatly underestimated the size of fuel tank needed to complete a race at racing speed without refuelling. (Reportedly this was queried by the fuel cell supplier, who also supplied other teams. But they didn't take the hint.) So for the early part of the season they had to turn the engine right down to get to the end of races.
The chassis were now homologated and couldn't be redesigned/modified during the season (leading to some of the weirder ways of replicating the F-duct that year). But the FIA allowed Manor an exemption to produce a new chassis with a larger fuel tank - something like 20l larger (forget the exact number).
I read that but never found the reason why it was so tiny.
I remember there being talk at the time that Manor had taken some fuel consumption figures from Cosworth at face value and used those. When in reality they were best case scenario numbers - rather like the official fuel consumption for road cars.
I think the debacle cost someone senior at the team their job, but I can't remember who.
Such a shame it ended the way it did. Manor (& Prodrive) are just the sort of teams with a proven track record who should be stepping up to F1, following in the footsteps of Jordan & Sauber. But the sport's been fundamentally broken in that respect for 3 decades.
turns out that the 2 points Nasr scored was pratically his death sentence in F1 given Wehrlein showed up with Mercedes support and Nasr had lost funding. Fortunatelly he later displayed a great international career in sportscar racing
Felipe Nasr's motorsport dream is surely just to run in the best and most prestigious series where people don't confuse him for Felipe Massa, so in that regard Imsa is a perfect fit.
I really want them to let Andretti/GM in, they will be up there in the midfield in their 2nd season and I think they would be mixing with the big boys in 4 -5 seasons, they have such a wealth of motorsport expertise
Man, I was so excited for USF1. My wife and I found the factory and stopped by once. She was pregnant with our first child and we left the receptionist with a Formula One onesie, asking to have Peter Windsor and the drivers sign it.
But they went under shortly after that visit.
If Stephan Fitzpatrick kept with Manor for just a bit longer, He'd of made an extreme profit on that team.
The Alonso testing crash in 2015 is another really interesting and bizarre incident with a lot of conspiracy involved. Would love to see that revisited too at some point.
Man, it is sad to see how all three of them were doomed to fail right at the start. I have a soft spot for Manor since they were the first team I ever drove for in an F1 game, and I even won with them a drivers championship on 2010, and a double on 2011 recently.
Its interesting to think where F1 would be now if the cost cap had come into effect in... Idk, 2011-14 time?
Would the 3 new teams have been more competitive, would Mercedes have dominated the V6 turbo hybrid era with that in place. Would we have a liberty media era of F1 at all and if so, would 24-26 car grids be the norm now, with the discussion being about the possibility of increasing that to 30 cars... instead of us losing our minds about the possibility of getting a whole 2! new cars on the grid.
Such a strange era and I loved it.
I started watching f1 with 11 teams and would like to see it back at 11 or even 12.
As for the cost cap, I wish it was implemented back then also.
Well we have cost caps now and Red Bull is dominating but who knows...I'm still convinced the 2009-2016 cars that Mercedes had a massive power advantage and that's why they were nearly unbeatable, Williams had a decent enough chassis and were actually competitive because they had a Mercedes power unit...no way unless they had a really good chassis like Red Bull they could have been as fast with the Renault as they had in 2013.
Technicality, but BAR bought Tyrrell in early 1998 so even though they were kind of a new team, they kind of weren't
Yeah, I thought that.
Hello from Stockport, I really look forward to these great, informative stories 👍
Excelent video, some great points made. Hopefully Andretti will get in and do well
I appreciate the backmarker teams so much that when I saw a Caterham shirt for sale online, I bought it
Recently discovered you're content and found myself really enjoying it consider me subbed keep up the great work
Another valuable history lesson - well done.
Thank you.
Minor technical detail, because I know someone who watches your videos loves me boring everyone with facts, Caterham do not actually hold the record for most starts without a point. Coloni do because F1 themselves consider Lotus GP and Caterham different teams.
It's like how Racing Point has a victory to their name, and Aston Martin do not even though they are owned by the same person.
USF1 was going to be good but Bernie changed the goal posts and forced them to take the cosworth engines like the other 3 teams. USF1 had a deal with a top engine supplier, good drivers, actual American involvement but Bernie wanted this two tier system with tiny teams running Cosworth engines as he had a stake in it. Peter Windsor who was fronting this gave some very interesting insights into this.
Yeah, definitely need to have a look in to it because all the stories say they were messing everyone around and people who were working there wondered what the hell was going on while Windsor is the only person out there saying it wasn't their fault.
@@AidanMillward hi mate a video on USF1 would be a great idea! I found interesting nuggets from Peter Windsor on his live streams on his youtube channel once listening to one of his race debriefs one time live on TH-cam. I am sure his quotes on USF1 insights in detail are out there somewhere or he may even reach out to you via email, I am sure he would like people to know what really happened ! and would gladly provide you with info!
Erm you have to add toasters to it
Thankyou 4 the pic of that beautiful mclaren mp4-15 🥰🥰
i know you already did a forti video but maybe with some new information available could you do another of the mysterious shannon racing they bought forti back in the day.
great content
I've never quite understood the whole taboo with tobacco. I think it should be treated like alcohol, in the sense that as long as you don’t show your driver actively using the product then it should be considered fair game.
Well that’s a whole can of worms you’re trying to open!
Is smoking a more dangerous or graver (literally) social habit than drinking or gambling (and you could legitimately include crypto trading under the gambling banner) ?
Who decides these things? And are they actually correct objectively?
@@neilturner6749 I'd argue drinking can be worse than smoking. People smoking tobacco don't go driving the wrong direction on a highway.
Did a video on this when F1 started going the crypto route. People who smoke tend not to visit loan sharks or rob a store to pay off their debts because they’re desperate.
The cause of de Villota's testing accident is sad and tragic. First day testing in the car, and had not been fully briefed on how to disable the anti-stall system and stop the car.
17:41 This livery is so good looking
20’min video. You’re spoiling us Aidan. Reminds me of the good old days. Loved the proper long ones
Didn’t intend to be this long. But it means more ads so kerching.
2:05 only two of those teams are still on the grid today BAR as Mercedes and Haas. Has Martin Brundle says getting into F1 is one thing. Staying in F1 is even harder
The year that there was a team called Renault lotus and a team called lotus Renault was definitely not at all confusing…
I do feel sorry for these teams, just moving goalposts before they even started. So much for the budget cap.
I still have a soft spot for these three teams. Yeah, they were constantly at the back of the grid, but I found them entertaining.
Continuing the spirit of Minardi...
Seeing drivers like Kovalainen, Glock, Trulli and Kobayashi continue their F1-career was great. And they gave us Ricciardo...
Marussia/Manor scoring points was and still is awesome to me.
Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.
Remember, Haas also has experience in different Motorsports before entering Formula One as their sister team, Stewart-Haas Racing won two NASCAR Cup Series titles before the F1 team came into existence with drivers Tony Stewart and Kevin Harvick
Which is remarkable considering the fact that before Tony Stwart bought into the team, Haas was one of the back markers in NASCAR & had a reputation for ruining careers like Jack Sprague who won multiple Truck Series title with Hendrick but was terrible when he signed with them for the Cup Series in 2003. In fact if Tony Stewart had not bought into the team, Haas was either going to fold right then & there or merge with Petty Enterprises & Evernham Motorsports to form the 2nd best team for Dodge behind Penske.
Haas has money, but he hasn't proved he knows how to make it win. Tony Stewart made the NASCAR team competitive. Haas doesn't have a Tiny Stewart steering the ship in F1 and it takes more money than Haas has to spend on it
I was always rooting for caterham. So much potential
Was even better when 30+ cars would turn up for quali. Rose tinted glasses aside, the races were great those days, it was almost like having 3 separate classes of races in one.
2010....listening to a tired Jonathan Legard doing a 'best of the new teams' thing during the more processional races that year. It was a real sign of a B-class sub-formula. Was hoping for so much more from at least some of these teams.
People listened to Legard?
'Early 2010s'
'A time long gone'
Thanks Aidan. Thanks.
We're overdue for another break-away series threat from F1 teams.
Now that the teams are profitable, nobody is going to want to rock the boat to much.
But for how long for. They are upset long term fans in exchange for short term Instagram fans
5:06 That was until this year's Extreme E season, Rodin Carlin are now with X44 which explains why Loeb isn't at X44 this season
Points are only available for the top ten finishers. For a new team to come in and start scoring points straight away would be a huge ask. Any team that enters with that kind of backing will be after race wins, then leave if they don't get them. Success for a new team takes a long time, and isn't guaranteed - entrants need to be aware of that.
Marussia are now Haas, sort of!
F1 from the '60's and '70's and comparing them to current F1 is like comparing Spitfires, Zeros, P-51s, FW190s, Me109s, P-47, Mosquitos to F35s. Viggens, and Su-27s and Raptors. All amazing but, there is something about the older generation, not the danger though. To carry on, the ME262, Mig17, and F-86 would be the late '80's in F1. Next time I'll use motorcycles analogies.
Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.
The cost cap probably didn't come to pass because Lotus were employing Maldonado...
Man that 2016 manor was good looking. Slow but good looking
Great vid! One question. Didn't BAR acquire Tyrrell? If so, they didn't add numbers to grid, they just continued an old team entry. 🙏🏻
Ah. Just seen the pinned comment!
To give some idea of how screwed the three new teams were by the failed cost cap, they were promised a cap of £40 million, raised from £30 million, but in 2010 at least half the grid was spending over £100 million. The expected budget went up by 50%, and that was barely enough to field the slowest cars on the grid for the year.
Ted Toleman was all too happy to take a "young inexperienced pay" driver's money to let him have a go, and boy, did that lad "make a difference on track". And who doesn't remember that young Austrian who took out money against his life insurance to become a young inexperienced pay driver? Even EJ didn't let a future seven-time world champion behind the wheel of his car out of the sheer goodness of his heart. ;)
Yes, I know which category of drivers you are referring to ... but every driver was once young and inexperienced and without money, be that their own or a sponsor's, they're pretty much sh*t outta luck in motor racing, i.e. they have to pay their way in.
As soon as that cost cap got written out of the concorde agreement, the 3 amigos of 2010 were doomed from the start (Although it is strangely interesting to see Tony Fernandes making 2 high profile ambitious flops at the same time - Lotus/Team/Caterham in F1, and Queens Park Rangers in English footie. While I commend his enthusiasm and ambition, one has to question... Well, everything else.)
For me, they may not have been particularly quick, but they were interesting teams while they were there, even if only as a compilation of how not to race in F1 - the 2010 Virgins needing to B-spec their cars to make sure they had a big enough fuel-tank to finish race distance, HRT's paint-job advertising their lack of sponsors in 2011, and while 2014 was a compilation of botched nose jobs to rival a black market cosmetic surgery, Caterham's was probably the most visually abhorrent. And slightly awkward when Nasr had agreed to race for Manor in 2017, until he scored the points that bankrupted the team... It's never boring at the back of the grid (I think it's previous vids from your channel that taught me the Nasr thing, so... Thanks for that, and all the others, Aidan!)
It's pretty amazing that Catheram and Manor lasted so long despite this. I miss cheering on really small teams that don't have a hope in hell but still carry on fighting anyway, but it seems even in the cost cap era of F1, no small teams are intrested. Yes Andretti might be joining, but they aren't a small team out of a shed. I guess the modern day equivalent is Nicholas Latifi. People went absolutely crazy when he went fastest in Free Practice at Hungary. Shame he got kicked because Williams actually have a much more competetive package this year.
It is still a real shame we lost Manor.
They were fun, their posters were amazing and that livery, whilst initially boring, was a striker.
They could've/should've been to Mercedes what Toro Rosso/AlphaTauri is to Red Bull. (Wasn't there a rumour that Toto Wolff was going to maybe buy Manor in 2017?)
What was with the V8 cosworth engine? I remember in 2006 it was hyped as one the highest revving on the grid at the time. Did they stop developing it during the V8 era?
Williams (Rosberg and Webber) ditched it after one season
Ah yes. The Super Best Friends in 2006.
Didn't Virgin miss the first couple of races because the fuel tank wouldn't hold enough fuel to finish a race?
17:01 ironically Nasr was meant to swap ride with Wehrlein, so Nasr finishing 9th at Brazil basically killed not only his F1 career, but Manor’s career as well.
It would've been great if Manor managed to survive. It's a shame there was no buyer as they were finally on the back of the midfield. Photos have even emerged of their 2017 prototype.
No idea if true but wasn't there rumour Mercedes could've bought it to make it a B-team? Or was this just because Manor had taken the engine and its junior drivers.
It's not "Lotuses", it's Loti!! Clive James established this convention over 40 years ago!
2:00 looks like Roberto Moreno's cv.
1:00 That's one team in "Forti", not one team in forty, non-native speakers.
I remember the USF1 rumors, mostly that they would take drivers from NASCAR, Kyle Busch and AJ Allmendinger were the main drivers involved.
Danica was in the frame. They wanted the sponsorship they thought was out their with the 'women driver' angle. Not a far fetched plan; Danica was a competent open wheel driver, she just didn't have the upper body strength to drive a 3400 pound stock car for 500 miles every weekend.
The crazy part about this Andretti saga is someone on Twitter at one point tried to say something to the effect of "Yeah, HRT wasn't that far off the pace and they barely could afford their lunch, so Andretti should be allowed in" while conveniently ignoring what actually happened to HRT while they were in F1, which could be easily found out through, oh, maybe FIVE SECONDS OF GOOGLE SEARCHING.
I want Andretti on the grid too, but good lord, at least be realistic when you're talking about this stuff, people. Then again, it is motorsports Twitter, so I don't know why I'm surprised.
I enjoyed those few years with these three new teams so much, but thinking about this time again, I get stomach ache.
Primarily because of all these commercially caused changes of mind. You wanna get some examples:
1.
2007
FIA: "The cost are too high. We want to introduce a cost cap."
Factory Teams: "We want to spent that much money. If you introduce a cost cap, we will start our own series!"
2008 (Financial crisis)
Factory Teams: "The costs are too high. We are pulling out. Good bye!"
FIA: "Let's invite new Teams and promise them the introduction of a cost cap."
2010
Remaining Factory Teams: "The situation has improved. We will stay, but we won't accept a cost cap."
FIA: "Okay..."
2.
2011
Team Lotus Renault: "We are Lotus!"
Lotus Renault: "No, we are Lotus!"
Lotus pays a lot of money to Team Lotus. Team Lotus changes it's name to Caterham.
2016
Renault (formerly known as Lotus)
3.
2014
FIA: "Oh no. Manor and Caterham are about to die. We will soon have only 18 cars left on the grid. We have to save at least one of them!"
2016
FIA: "HELLO HAAS, WELCOME TO F1!
...now we can let manor die..."
Yeah I agree these teams were sadly doomed from the start.
I feel It also spelt the end for the idea "true" privateers in F1.
Side note: it's Ironic Williams protested the customer car idea given the modern day Williams team started with a customer March.
I'd love to have a video on why exactly Andretti stand a chance. Indycar is a spec series and they can barely afford to do that. Okay GM are behind them, but US car companies aren't famed for bankrolling motorsport. Okay they're American, but so are HAAS, and both have similar success/engineer talent across the pond. I've just zero idea why anyone thinks they will be anything but hopelessly out of their depth. I suppose they can lobby for Colton Herta and he can break the record Mick set for most crash damage in a single season. *shrugs*.
Now if it was Penske ...
I wish lotus and Caterham had survived. I mean how good would it be to have aston martin, mclaren, Caterham, lotus all British car companies filling todays grid I know that most of the teams are actually British in location and mostly staffed by the British but having that much exposure in the world could only help our little car companies
British American Racing was Tyrell, should not really be considered a new team??
I was gonna say ......i thought BAR took over the Tyrell entry.....clad i saw the pinned comment
5.7k to Robbie M!!
Ah, USF1. Tony Windsor taking the piss eh? 🤷🏻♂️
Whole thing was just strange.
yea... Idk... one guy has a lot of engines and convinced some naive bystander of buying them and venture into F1. Andretti is a different story; I'd say it's kind of a personal historical thing, if the team were just Cadillac or GM they would be racing already. Which is a shame because Andretti has some experience in F1, at least they're not touring in F1, they know what's about and definitely want to prove their value. I think would beat the likes of the Alfas (tauri and romeo) which are there just to complete the grid.
Because of looming European economic / financial struggles, I think F1 will need Andretti in the coming years. Not to mention that F1 needs a proper American team. Haas is a strange thing that doesn't feel American to me, at all. At the same time, I fear that Andretti will struggle to 'fit into' F1 and be as successful as they'd like to be. I'm not sure exactly what happened with Michael Andretti at McLaren in 1993, but I fear it doesn't bode well, especially given what appears to be adamant opposition to his entry from some of the current top F1 teams.
@13:08 how??? Would the halo have saved her??
The coda about Andretti coming into F1, and the comparison with Haas, reminded me why those two teams AREN'T like the three highlighted in this video. The owners of both Haas and Andretti have the experience of running highly successful elite level teams in other series, and know that there's a knowledge gap when coming into a series like F1, and they have a sense of how to attract the talent to offset that.
Say what you want about the performance of Haas in F1, they're still running, under their own name, despite everything the sport, sponsors, global politics, their own drivers, and their own choices have thrown at them. They're in their 8th season, equalling what Toyota could manage with the resources of a global car company. That alone is an accomplishment.
But Bar buy the tyrrell team
Oh shit they did didn't they
And then taken over by Honda, scrounged out of their garbage can by Ross Brawn who got Merc engines, Button got his instant title, then bought by Mercedes
Am I right that they bought their spot on the F1 entry list, but none of the intellectual property, nor the factory and staff?
Tbh even though all 3 teams ended up as flops at least most of the drivers ended up enjoying successes in other forms of motorsport.
BAR took over from Tyrell so yeah all new but they took over their licence
These entries got so badly done over by the cost-cap "oh this is viable" to no cost-cap "arrrhhhgh we are being eaten alive"
Something else to add about Prodrive, They currently build pretty much any modern GT3 or GT4 Vantage currently racing, and are planning on building te Valkrie WEC entry
Ah USF1, so many toasters…
What happened to this channel?! Used to be full of cool videos.
the only thing i remember is there crashes tbh
No one ever seems to mention that the luxury car brand Marussia collapsed in 2014 after economic sanctions were placed on Russian businesses after the annexation of Crimea. I know Marussia was located in the UK and continued operating after the Russian business collapsed, but it must have affected their funding. Feel free to correct me if wrong.
I still convinced the 3 teams should bring charges to Ecclestone for fraud and extortion.
Im still a bit confused with Lotus F1 in the 2010s, since in my mind there where 2 Lotus teams with Lotus Renault (the good one) and Lotus Caterham (the shite one). Does that mean Lotus sponsored both teams or what.
No. They were 2 completely unrelated entities. Well I say completely....the teams were unrelated...the people who held the rights to the name and allowed Caterham and Renault to use them were somewhat related in business. It's so complicated.
2010, didn't virgn take over from brawn who took over from I can't remember!
Toyota->Brawn->Mercedes. Hope this helps.
@@Selzor thanks.
Tyrrell > BAR > Honda > Brawn > Merc
if prodrive was not picked for 2008 then carlin could be in f1
Dallara in the early 90s just looked like cheap copies of Ferrari at the time.
Lotus or Caterham & HRT were just
sh!t!
Campos was a much better team name; HRT sounds like a social disease you worry about getting in college.
The Benchmark...underfunded teams that ran on wishful thinking and lasted a couple years.
Nice bit of sarcasm there...