THE NEW TEAM THAT DID IT RIGHT! The Story of the Jordan 191 (1991)
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- In an F1 world when teams were turning up and being many seconds off the pace, Jordan turning up and finishing 5th in its debut season seemed like a fluke. A one-off. A case of the stars aligning.
But the fact is, Eddie Jordan and his seemingly ragtag group got a car built well in advance, came up through the junior categories, and when they were going to come into F1- hired people who knew what they were doing and raised enough funds to do it.
The results were revelatory.
So how did EJ get from the juniors to making people take notice at the top? Let's have a look.
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I miss Jordan being on the grid. I miss the buzzin hornets nose. Everyone was a Jordan fan, even if they said they weren't.
I preferred the Bitten n' Hisses snake livery on the '97 car, but obviously, they won with the Buzzin Hornets
BE ON EDGE
I painted a Bitten and Hisses Jordan for my GSCE are Project in 1997..... They did not appreciate it. :-(
@@bazwaterboy522 We all see you and appreciate it :)
I enjoyed the whole deal of creativity in ducking the tobacco ad ban. Jordan did it best!
DeCesaris should have won the 1991 Belgian GP. He was catching Senna for the lead at a furious pace when his engine overheated. That would have been brilliant to watch.
Saw Schumacher's 191 at a museum in Germany once. It was an almost religious experience...
I am completly biased being Irish but the green EJ911 is by far my most favorite F1 car of all time.
This basically 1000%
I remember seeing it for the first time and how mean it looked with that hooked air box
@@philrussell5258 in a strange way Jordan represented a new outward progressive confident Irishness, much like Riverdance was seen as a cultural moment, Jordan F1 was a statement "we are Irish and we are here to compete", obviously based out of Silverstone, but it was very much the Irish F1 team.
I don't really have an American car on which I can be biased. Nobody knows what the Andrettis are up to ;)
The thumbnail for this video is so sexy is should be labelled NSFW.
De Cesaris’ DNQ was one of only 4 in his entire career. De Cesaris has a really bad reputation but there is a reason his F1 career lasted as long as it did - even in crap machinery he would almost always qualify, in the days where starting was not guaranteed.
Yeah, he would definitely qualify. The question was always if he could finish.
He also was on for a podium in the Jordan at Belgium before his engine died 3 laps from the end. He also usually drove unreliable cars, with most of his retirements being from mechanical issues and not through crashing like most think. In his season at Minardi, he only finished once, and when he drove for Rial, his car would run out of fuel due to its comically small tank. He also got points for every team he drove for except Minardi.
@@PEPSIMaxMusic He was brilliant at Spa, and probably should have won there in 1983.
Marlboro kept bankrolling him. He was quick and reliable in his last 4 years though as he finally matured , Sato reminds me of him and I doubt Grosjean ever will.
@KP-lx8bt yes! Spa was also where he got his sole podium for Brabham, comically pushing it across the line as it had ran out of fuel on the start finish straight.
The 191 Jordan is my all time favorite F1 car. I was at it's debut race in Phoenix. It was the Thursday before the race which was a free day and the pits were open to the public - I think to promote the race. I was standing by the scales as the teams pushed the cars up to be weighed and the Jordon car came up with one of the mechanics sitting in the car. He needed to get of the car so it could be weighed. To do that he removed the steering wheel - AND HANDED IT TO ME! I couldn't believe it.
What a great story! I just listened to the Bring Back V10s episode on that race last night.
That Camel story is bonkers. What a time it was.
The last of the Hesketh type teams, and did they pull it off! It will never be repeated... Rather glad I got to watch it. :) Happy days!
That makes me want to see a remake of the Hesketh F1 team video. I loved that one before it got taken down.
It also has one of my favourite racing anekdotes of all time. At the 1975 Dutch GP, it started pissing it down before the start, Lotus, Ferrari etc. hustled to get the cars set up for the wet conditions. When Lord Hesketh looked at his mechanics and said ''Now look lads, we know absolutely fuck all about setting up a racing car, we'll leave it as it is.''
James Hunt, piloting the Hesketh, beat Niki Lauda to the win. The scenes were unreal.
Ah, the good old days…
I miss Jordan.
Thank you Aidan, well done.
I was at the 91 British GP and witnessed Andrea De Chesaris binned it. But as we were leaving we got struck behind a tow truck with a scrap Jordan hanging off the back with a blue tarp under it. It was being driven back to factory across the road.
The Jordan 9-1-1 is in easily in my top 5 F1 cars of all time possibly top 3. It was just so. It looked like it was going 200mph standing still and the curves.
You mean the 191, right?
my favourite Jordan car 👏👏
99
Formula for Sucess podcast with DC and EJ is a gold mine for amazing stories!
Listening to how EJ did the thing with Camel in F3 reminds me how he did a similar sort of thing with Ford in F1. He'd signed to run the Cosworth engine's, as Ford had got Jaguar running with Cosworth branding and didn't want a car running the blue oval that probably be able to beat the Jag on a regular basis.
EJ agreed to this but then went and signed a sponsorship deal with Ford of Germany, without the parent company in the US knowing, so when they turned up for the first race the car was emblazoned with the blue oval in pride of place. The boys in the US wanted it immediately removed for the next race, but EJ being EJ said that he'd want ex millions of dollars to do that as he had a signed contract with, "Ford", even if it was only Ford of Germany, and that would be a breach of contract, and Ford caved so the branding stayed!!!!!
He's such an amazing hustler
My favourite Jordans as a kid was the yellow buzzing hornets from 98, 99....thought those cars looked sick as a kid !!
They looked sick to an adult too , despite the tobacco link.
My mother loved this car so much she bought a 2 litre bottle of 7-Up each week to support the team. Nobody drank 7-Up in the house, we just had a bunch of 2 litre bottles in the cupboard. Thanks for the memories.
I think the later half of the year had more of a story - especially Belgium. We all know about Schumacher's mega debut quali run - only to break down on the first lap. But what about DeCesaris? Shocked at how fast his teammate went, he got up to 2nd place in the race and even ran in close company with Senna (who was nursing a gearbox issue) before breaking down towards the end. Had things swung the other way it could have been a debut win 7 years early.
Not only that, but iirc it would mean DeCesaris would be the driver with the longest wait for a win, over 10 years after his debut. Sadly he lost both of his best chances to win at Spa due to Engine issues, with his 83 performance also being brilliant, as he got 2 rocket starts in a row (the 1st start was aborted) and pulled a 9 second lead from Prost before a shoddy pitstop from Alfa pit him behind the Frenchman, and then his Engine gave way.
"Eddie Tax" 🤣
A brilliant charismatic underdog📯
EJ is a legend. Grit and determination... and a wee bit of good aul Irish madness. ;)
Another great topic. I really miss the team of EJ from the grid.
I think 1979-1992 had the best looking F1 cars of all time. Tons of great designs.
My nostalgia senses only get tingling for those boxy late 90s cars.
Probably because from a sim racing standpoint they’re easier to paint. 😂
I personally think 1991 was the year with the best looking and best sounding F1 cars. McLaren MP4/6, Jordan 191, Williams FW14, Ferrari 643, Lamborghini 291 etc plus the screams of the 3.5 litre naturally aspirated V8s, V10s and V12s. Even Group C cars of 1991 were (in my opinion) the best looking and best sounding with cars like the Mercedes C11, Gebhardt C91, Brun C91, Jaguar XJR-14, Mazda 787B, Toyota TS010 etc.
@@CyanRooper 1991 is a good shout, I've had similar thoughts myself. As an overall average, definitely up there. And for vintage times, I offer 1967
And I mean F1 (Ferrari 312 with the cool mirrors, Eagle Weslake, Lotus 49...etc) and in sports cars (Ferrari 330P4 among other beauties)
1984 to 1996 is the golden era of F1 for me. It was more competitive and the best car didn't always win. As for F1 now, it's far too complicated for my liking and I don't watch it anymore. All this sprint race nonsense, drivers being penalised for daft things that you need a university degree to understand and other petty rubbish.
not important guy... 'cough' Our friend Roberto Moreno.
The story from the beginning is really just a classic EJ :D I recommend to everyone the FFS podcast with DC, it's brilliant!
Great as always. With regards to 1989 - there may have been 40 entries that year and 21 teams. The FIRST entry was rejected - Life would later buy the chassis and repurpose it for the 1990 season.
This was covered in the life video.
@@AidanMillward I did not know there was one! I’ll check it out now thanks!
Brilliant as ever thank you
I love this story and I love that you did a story time on it. I think this ranks up there in the podium places for my most favorite story time episodes you've done!!
Awesome video
Such an iconic F1 car from that era…just from its looks alone.
And No Ugly ass Halo, Yes - I know we need em.. but still - What a sexy race car
They were my favourite team so I'm biased, but I think the Jordan story, from rising through F3 and F3000, to their eventual decline and sale, would make for a great documentary. Eddie's shrewd business deals were superb, the team surviving the early 90s when so many teams fell by the wayside was in itself a massive achievement, then a few years later they sign a world champion who gave them their first win, and follow it up by keeping Ferrari and McLaren honest through 1999 despite having a fraction of the budget.
There weren't many, if any teams that achieved more with less, and with their rock and roll image it's easy to see why they were popular
loved that car.. Made no end of models of it... The simple lines are amazing , a bit like the Leyton House cars that I also loved.. In fact I have a Leyton House F1 OZ wheel in my sons bedroom!
My favorite F1 car, so beautifull and sleek....
Like the Roberto Moreno "mention".
Jordan had me hooked as a kid with how cool the 7up car looked, and they are still my favorite team.
I am getting vibes of Jazz Club from the Fast Show with that outro Jazz playing....Nice
Proper business man EJ!
As a kid, I LOVED the 7-Up Jordan! A car sponsored by a brand I could relate to!
My favorite livery of all time !!
Loved the 7up livery as a kid, blue and green was just so cool
A good bit of this story of the first couple seasons sounds quite similar to Haas, even down to the fifth place championship position and rocking up to be fairly competitive in the lower/midfield.
Aidan, I love your stories where the hits just keep on coming! Just like the Tobacco Money. Did you know Camels are produced entirely with Turkish Tobacco? Hence, the name of the brand.
One of the all time best looking F1 cars. Both shape and livery
My favorite f1 team ever
I have to agree, the Jordan 191, one of the best looking F1 cars ever. The green livery was perfect.
My favourite f1 car of all time.
>got punched by Senna
>Twitter legend
>Drove a Volvo fast once
>Pizza salesman
I sensibly chuckled.
1 thing you can say about jordan during its time in f1 is they always have a stand out livery that was also very unique om every car!!
They were lucky it was the last year you could do that. A scaled up f3000 car, Ford v8, hewland box, job done.
Made me proud to be Irish! We all laughed the night the car was shown on ghe news here, but I could see its beauty and potential 😍
The '91-'95 Jordans, Ferraris, and Williams are by far my favorite designs of all time. The '96 and '97 Jordans as well as the
'97 Williams FW19 were fantastic. Lastly, I'd throw in the 1997 Ferrari F310B.
The beautiful 1991 Ferrari I mean isn't the 642 but the later 643.
The McClaren 4/4 from 1988 and the Williams FW14B from 1992 are my 2 favourite looking F1 cars.
@@mrkipling2201Absolutely! The light and wide cars from that time all looked awesome.
My favourite team
I saw the pre-qualifying at the 1991 USGP, and thus Jordan's first laps.
How could you do that to Sir. Moreno!?!?! Pluse that 94 Simtek is still one of the prettiest F1 cars ever.
7k to the Roberto Moreno story Aidan, we, the faithful remember.😉
You've got to love eddie, he is the irish del boy. I have read his auto biography and its a great read.
The 191 is gorgeous, but the Modena Lambos that got mentioned were also stunning imo
Interesting, my question to add is can you do a story about the closest finish in Indycar history at Portland 1997.
Maybe ever so slightly biased as an Irishman but that green 191 is the most beautiful F1 car ever created.
Poor Roberto Moreno
;_;
He should get a lifetime achievement award for managing to qualify an Andrea Moda - still one of the greatest performances of the modern F1 era.
Best looking F1 car ever in my opinion.
To me the Jordan 191 is 2nd only to the Lotus 79 in looks. It's fitting also that there was blue on the car as that color is prominent on provincial coats of arms in Ireland. I unsubscribed from a channel lately for reasons. Anyway, I have room for one more on my subscriptions page as a result. I'm trying to decide between you and a channel with unrelated content. I'll let you know either way. The algorithm will keep recommending your videos anyway and whoever doesn't get the sub will be next in line. Doing this video scored brownie points though.
That other guy who’s not important was Roberto Moreno 🤣 11:20
3:00 Gianni Morbidelli: Once complained about an awful smell that he noticed during a race
In my opinion, still the simplest, cleanest, best looking F1 car ever made.
Eddie said on his podcast "Formula for Success" to David Coulthard that the 191 was designed using fluid dynamics instead of aerodynamics.
Eddie claimed that the car was originally going to be yellow, but switched to green bc of the 7up deal. He attempted to sign kodak still in the mindset of yellow car yellow sponsors, but they pointed him in the direction of Fuji instead as they used green
The like before me was #911 How ironic!! Great stuff Aidan!
Personaly,i think F1 cars should have stayed as they were in those years. Early and mid 90s. Love that car,but it wouldn't be that popular if Schumacher hadn't driven it.
Aidan you were a little bit harsh on Roberto Moreno. He was a very talented driver who never really got the breaks in F1. Take a look at this expolits in F3, 1980's F2 and F3000, he was also quite handy in an Indycar.
So, you may not know this, but us long time Aidan fans do: There is a running gag on this channel. Roberto ends up tangentially making appearances in SO many of the storytime episodes, that Aidan starting joking around every time it kept happening by faking disgust at "oh, not Moreno, _again"_ , which eventually evolved into Aiden promising to do a full length Roberto Moreno storytime episode whenever this channel hits 100k subscribers. Which is why you'll occasionally also see things like "7.2k 'til Roberto" in the comment section. Roberto is truly loved here.
Pls do a story on 1983 Sebring 12hr
That car looks so small with a driver in it. A current day car looks like a cargo ship Compared to it.
Aiden, please do Tommy Byrne 👍🏻
“Iffier than a student’s fridge” - The Tom Walkinshaw Story
And in many ways, they still do punch up and made that their thing even after subsequent owners.
"Iffier than a student's fridge"
A student ate 5-days old leftover pasta. This is how his liver shuts down.
No joke it genuinely is deadly.
I lived with someone at Uni who used a juicer and didn’t clean it out after it was used for two weeks. It was grim
So video idea, the A1GP
Bitten and Hisses 🐍
Buzzin Hornets
Bitten Heroes
Be on Edge
Eddie Jordan had Colin McRae test one of the cars and said if he had been doing F1 he would have him on his team
Did you know that Jordan used in its first year Ford engines because of a coincidence in a Pub near the Jordan Factory ?
eddie jordan reminds me of eddy from ed edd and eddy, if anyone watched that show lol
“That other guy doesn’t matter”. Oh you mean the GOAT?
Jim Clark had been dead for over 20 years at this point tho.
Close, it’s actually Jim Clark’s Brazilian cousin! No, not that one. 6k
Lol Damian Hill - pizza driver.
You say right RB19 you say Wrong W14
They did great in 1991 but boy did they pay for it (literally and figuratively) in 92,93. But Eddie kept the team going and found the money where alot of team owners would've thrown in the towel
Probably shouldn’t ask where he got it.
Tbf he almost did but Bernie said get Yamaha engines. He’d be slower but he’d survive.
EJ tells a great story about splitting the car’s livery between 2 sponsors for a test, I think he was hoping to send pics to each sponsor of ‘their’ side of the car. When 1 of the sponsors decided they wanted to see the car in real life, Eddie panicked and had to distract the guy enough not to notice the other company’s livery on the other side of the car 😂
He tells the story better, my nightshirt fuelled memory isn’t the greatest so I’ve probably made a complete mess of it!
Gary Anderson was up there with Newey and Murray though, people totally underestimate how great a car he made starting with an f3000 car, a completely rookie technical team and about £3.75 to build it.
EDIT - apparently he is also responsible for DHL becoming YELLOW from their traditional WHITE too which I find amazing!
@@AidanMillward Also didn't Bernie have to take some cash from the Spa box office to keep the cars from getting impounded?
You are always so unfortunate with timing ever andretti just got approved
It’s not like I do three videos a week or anything.
Did Pepsi own 7Up back then or does Pepsi own them in the UK?
Dr Pepper actually owns them, Pepsi just handles international distribution outside of North America. It’s why the 191 ran with Pepsi branding during the 1991 Japanese GP.
Britvic does it in the UK or something it’s weird.
@@palm92 isn't Dr Pepper a Coca-Cola brand? Or wasn't it at the time?
@@simonbutterfield4860 Oh it’s massively confusing. It’s owned by Keurig in the USA, Pepsi in Canada and Oceania, and Coca-Cola in the UK, Japan, and South Korea. So, uh, it’s technically owned by both.
@@AidanMillward Trademarking and Branding is so weird worldwide and who owns what is confusing depending on market. Like the Dunlop name being owned by both Goodyear and Sumitomo depending on where they are manufactured. In my country, the track day tires from Dunlop (Direzza Star Specs) are Sumitomo manufactured for example, but the main line tires are all made by Goodyear in the Americas or UK.
Eddie Jordan pulling stunts with sponsors? Shome mishtake shurley?
I give you this. What if Dietrich Mateschitz found Eddie Jordan at that time.
Not to mention moneytron. Why oh why, tez godgekloaagd
Eddie Jordan.
Playa. 😂
20 teams but 39 cars? Who was fielding just one car?
Eurobrun
@@AidanMillward Thank you, seems like an interesting side story.
Damon Hill pizza salesman 💀
I wonder, which driver you actually meant when not mentioning his name... Hmmmmmm....
When, Aidan, when?
When people stop running the meme into the ground. 😉
I miss melinda messenger in her jordan hotpants 😊
Looking what F1 was then and what F1 is today, you can see why the likes of Eddie Jordan are no longer in the game. That and Bernie Ecclestone told him things are going to change so sell now, you are never going to have a better time to do it.
This unimportant driver. Brazilian by any chance?
I wish bertrand didn't assault the taxi driver😢
Why? It gave a chance for this young German whos name is Schumacher
You can’t be considered a true connoisseur of F1 history if the Jordan 191 isn’t in your top 10 cars of all time 🤷🏻♂️
Just my completely unbiased opinion
It really sounds like you say 1999 and not 1989 ;) Maybe my ears need a wash.
I always loved the shape of the 191 but the livery was hideous imo.