I feel so bad that Jorge wasnt able to get the rights to his music back from the studio, and I appreciate the re-recordings. But MAN they just dont hit the same AT ALL
Thing is, I always feel guilty for coming back to the originals over the new ones ‘cause, I mean, the NEW VERSIONS AIN’T BAD. REALLY. It’s just . . . Like you said: they don’t hit the same.
@@N0rmandy I believe there's a tiktok somewhere on his page explaining what happened. He didnt get a single like royalty or anything for a single stream of the first two sagas, which is why they were deleted and rerecorded.
@@thanetothefalseking332 RIGHT !! I feel so guilty but I actually struggle listening to the new ones, not just because they hit diff, but because the old ones are so ingrained in my mind that all the subtle differences in the music throw me off
I’m so sad he deleted the original but happy he’s pulling a Taylor Swift to get that bag. BUT the orchestra ensemble mixed with the fullness of the choir in the ending of Just a man just hits DIFFERENT in the original version THANK YOU FOR UPLOADING!!!
With the new redone versions, you can hear how much Jorge has grown. The originals will always have a special place in my heart, but the new ones just feel more like Epic to me. Very emotional, very touching, it just sounds all around better.
I like that in these older versions, the choirs feel much fuller. You really feel the size of Odysseus' army and just how many Lotus Eaters actually inhabit the island but the overall vocal performances are better in the newer versions (except for Warrior of the Mind. In this version the instruments are much more powerful if not a bit overpowering at times and the deep droning bass is so cool. And I can finally hear the "you lied to me" clearly)
@danganidot I think they're talking about Athena going well done enlighten me what's your name so many people myself included hear well done you lied to me what's your name
in my opinion, this older version of full speed ahead sounds better because it actually sounds like 600 men singing "make it back alive to our home land" when the remastered version only sounds like at most odys ships crew is singing that line
it might sound fuller, but it’s more flat than the new version. the new version’s vocals are louder and more harmonious, so they needed less layers of vocals to provide the same effect.
@@RandooART i think i prefer that faded echoey effect because it is 600 men scattered across 12 ships in the open sea, and they are very far away from each other
honestly the ensemble in this version seems off, it’s too quiet and doesn’t seem to harmonize as well, but zeus’s voice is easier to make out in this version. and the last line in the horse and the infant isn’t as harmonious in this one.
The only complaint i have about the new ones are the lotus eaters. Ive grown used to them now, but when i first heard them i just didnt want to listen to open arms at all (even though it was my fav song). I have such a soft spot for the old ones and listening to full speed ahead and open arms just fills me with warmth and i love it
Here are my thoughts: 1. Horse and the Infant and Just a Man - I like this better than the re-record. Mainly because of the raw emotions involved on Jorge's voice. Don't get me wrong, the new version sounds good too along with better instruments but the way the two songs are arranged in the older version just emphasized the emotions behind his voice. Although the background ensemble on "When does a man become a monster?", the re-recorded was better. 2. Full Speed Ahead - oh god. I like the ensemble, its just so raw with less instruments. It actually feels like 600 men are talking. 3. Open Arms - I can actually hear Polities clearly. 4. Warrior of the Mind - again Athena's vocals are in emphasis. While the re recorded emphasizes on the blend of vocals and motifs. My conclusion: The Troy Saga feels like it was recorded for a Broadway/ Live Play Show with emphasis on the vocals and emotions behind it. Don't get me wrong but the re recorded version sounds cleaner (less hints of auto - tune) but it sounds like it was recorded for a clean album while this original re-recording is for live play. Both are great actually. Its a matter of preference. I just wish Jorge can get this back.
I'm pretty tone deaf (not sure if it's the right word) I can't really tell things apart when it comes to music, so I can't tell the difference between the older version of those two songs with the new ones. I can only tell a bit at the start of Warriors of the Mind where the singing part comes in a bit later. What are the differences between the old and newer ones of Warriors of the Mind and Goodbye? The instrument? I've been going back and forth between these two songs to compare to the old one (since I'm only listening to the songs with Athena in it), and I can't tell the difference other than the older one's instruments can be louder at times in the old version
I don't understand people saying this version is better, I see people saying this has more emotion but I disagree. Listening to it just sounds empty meanwhile the newer versions are much more emotional to me but that's just my opinion
right??? honestly a lot of the cast + jorge’s voices have gotten better and i was surprised people didnt like the newer ones :(( i understand its hard to get used to but it honestly hurts me listening to the old ones knowing they didnt get revenue from it
@@hyac1nthuss Yea! Not only are the newer version cooler to me but also the cast is actually getting appreciated for their work and I don't understand why some people in the comments straight up said they didn't care if the cast got nothing because these versions were better and thats just rude. The newer versions are awesome and we have the bonus of the cast getting what they deserve
For me the only part I like better is everything from Ody’s scream to when Zeus and Ody overlap in THATI and that’s only because Zeus just doesn’t sound as Kingly to me in the newer version.
for me personally, it’s because i listened to this version of the songs so much that the new ones feel off :( they’re definitely good! i unfortunately struggle with change so it’s hard for me to stop listening to this version 😭
I got into epic after he re released the troy saga so i was curious about the originals but i like them both edit: actually i lied i like the re released versions better it just sounds better
@@seven5410 basing it around musical technicality, the newer versions are better than the originals. but i do understand the attachment to the originals. for me, i preferred the demo version of hera's part in god games, felt more regal
@@oof2104 ikr, there's magic in hearing it the first time. It just hits like a truck the magic and all when what you hear resonate with what you remember
are you talking about layering the vocals on top of the official versions instrumentals? because the instrumentals are the same, and layering the vocals on top of eachother would be messy, because they’re completely different in the line delivery at times and how fast/slow they sing the lines.
The newer versions arent poison. I dont know why people act like the OGs are perfect in every way, even though the audio is noticibly more amateurish than the newer ones.
@RandooART I don't know if you are hating on me or what but what I'm saing is that after iy all ended it's nostalic af to go back and listen to what got me into epic
Tbh the older songs feel more done and polished and honestly more iconic. I can’t imagine myself listening to any of the Ithaca saga songs besides maybe challenge. Idk I think they needed more time in the oven or something
I listen to the newest sagas religiously, and the numbers show how much engagement J has received. These two sagas just have a noticeable difference in presentation and emotion; I doubt it’s significantly affecting J, people listening on another platform. Moral grandstanding aside, these have special places in people’s hearts, they should be enjoyed.
Escuché que las originales eran mejores que la actuales, pero no solo no se escucha la gran diferencia, sino que, en general, las actuales son mejores porque se nota el crecimiento del grupo y como mejoraron muchas técnicas.
i know we think this hits different, but can i just shout out at the new ver's 'Give me till surnise'' becuase that gives me goosebumps ;) and also we can see how Jorge's voice and enseble and everything has grown!
i don't want him too because I'm sure its a lot of work, but during the Circe saga was when he got into the perfect audio. however the ocean saga after the New version still feels like it needs a makeover with the new versions. it may just be me and i love the ocean saga as is, but its something I've noticed Jorge may need to revisit. anyone else feel this or just me. its just the audio feels a bit off.
Love the new version... But I miss the scream from Horse And The Infant when Odysseus gets a glimpse of what would happen if he didn't... Finish the job.
Thank you so much, i really hate that Jay god betrayed and they stole this Versions of the Songs but i like them so much more then his re-recordings 😭😭 I really don't like them at all, especially when it comes to my favorit Song "Open Arms"!! What happend? I mean, for example the line "stay back!" From Odysseus, why does he have only for this line a whole different voice??!! It doesn't make any sense to me!!
@@bluewolf619125but the new shit is what they are actually getting payed for and have the rights to. The company they worked with on these wouldn't pay them or let them have the rights back so they had to remake it to actually have it and continue
@@charlie33331 that's obvious g, I'm pretty sure everyone who searched for this vid knows that already but still wants to hear what they have grown accustomed to. It's a most unfortunate situation but I'll be honest, I'm here for the music, not the artist. From what I know of him he seems pretty cool but I don't feel any real loyalty to the guy which would inspire me to listen to lesser versions of the songs I like just for his gain.
@@bluewolf619125 that's fair! I Just personally have been following the making of this since the beginning and it has a special place in my heart so i do have loyalty to the creator and music. Cant have one without the other. I don't disagree with you! I'm here too for the music but I still think people should listen to the new stuff as well as it can't continue without the support allowing them to make it. And you'd be surprised of how many people don't know why it was remade in the first place. I'm just spreading info as I love this and want many people to hear it but also know why stuff is different.
I feel so bad that Jorge wasnt able to get the rights to his music back from the studio, and I appreciate the re-recordings. But MAN they just dont hit the same AT ALL
Is that what happened!? Wow
Thing is, I always feel guilty for coming back to the originals over the new ones ‘cause, I mean, the NEW VERSIONS AIN’T BAD. REALLY. It’s just . . . Like you said: they don’t hit the same.
@@N0rmandy I believe there's a tiktok somewhere on his page explaining what happened. He didnt get a single like royalty or anything for a single stream of the first two sagas, which is why they were deleted and rerecorded.
@@thanetothefalseking332 RIGHT !! I feel so guilty but I actually struggle listening to the new ones, not just because they hit diff, but because the old ones are so ingrained in my mind that all the subtle differences in the music throw me off
@@GoldenAfternoonsInHellpretty sure he posts the same videos on his youtube channel.
I’m so sad he deleted the original but happy he’s pulling a Taylor Swift to get that bag. BUT the orchestra ensemble mixed with the fullness of the choir in the ending of Just a man just hits DIFFERENT in the original version THANK YOU FOR UPLOADING!!!
Exactly!! I love the new versions but the smaller chorus feels wrong for some reason
With the new redone versions, you can hear how much Jorge has grown. The originals will always have a special place in my heart, but the new ones just feel more like Epic to me. Very emotional, very touching, it just sounds all around better.
That was exactly my thought!
I agree. ESP the background vocals, it all feels consistent now!
I wholeheartedly agree. This original will always have a fond place in my heart, obviously, but I'm proud of Jay.
The originals with Blair have way too much vocal correction. The new recordings feel more natural and warm.
0:00 - The Horse and The Infant
3:52 - Just A Man
6:23 - Full Speed Ahead
9:23 - Open Arms
12:42 - Warrior of the Mind
w mans
Thanks 🙏🏻
I like that in these older versions, the choirs feel much fuller. You really feel the size of Odysseus' army and just how many Lotus Eaters actually inhabit the island but the overall vocal performances are better in the newer versions (except for Warrior of the Mind. In this version the instruments are much more powerful if not a bit overpowering at times and the deep droning bass is so cool. And I can finally hear the "you lied to me" clearly)
where is the “you lied to me part”? i don’t remember hearing that
@danganidot I think they're talking about Athena going well done enlighten me what's your name so many people myself included hear well done you lied to me what's your name
@@audrey-dawneallard5776 ahhh ok
in my opinion, this older version of full speed ahead sounds better because it actually sounds like 600 men singing "make it back alive to our home land" when the remastered version only sounds like at most odys ships crew is singing that line
it might sound fuller, but it’s more flat than the new version. the new version’s vocals are louder and more harmonious, so they needed less layers of vocals to provide the same effect.
In the old version the crews voices sound faded and too echoy. Idk what you are on about
@@RandooART i think i prefer that faded echoey effect because it is 600 men scattered across 12 ships in the open sea, and they are very far away from each other
@@alexandersilva3327 but its harder to understand the lyrics. Also if we are going the "realistic route" The open sea aint echoey.
@@RandooART idk, i just like the ensemble on the original more :)
Thank you, the original "Horse and The Infant" is way better than the new one, sucked to see it deleted but I get it
Wait What are the differences please 😭?
Why? What happened? Why did they get re-released?
@@jjv.8636they just re recorded the vocals
@@web-headsassemble9415 the company that jorge was with when he released the songs didn't pay him anything for the troy and cyclops sagas
honestly the ensemble in this version seems off, it’s too quiet and doesn’t seem to harmonize as well, but zeus’s voice is easier to make out in this version. and the last line in the horse and the infant isn’t as harmonious in this one.
Am i the only one who likes the old warrior of the mind and my goodbye the most?
No, even I can’t stand the new one
Reading the comments is very interesting. It's obvious people prefer the version they heard first
Oh thank youuu. Im not a fan of the new versions, so im glad i can still listen to the old ones
THANK YOU the original audio just hits different. Don't understand why he changed it and deleted the originals.
It's because the company he was with Blair Russell Productions refused to pay Jorge for his work, so he had to re-record to actually make money
@@blincgaming2550 thank you i guessed something must of happened, thats awful
Because he literally wasn't getting paid for these
The only complaint i have about the new ones are the lotus eaters. Ive grown used to them now, but when i first heard them i just didnt want to listen to open arms at all (even though it was my fav song). I have such a soft spot for the old ones and listening to full speed ahead and open arms just fills me with warmth and i love it
Here are my thoughts:
1. Horse and the Infant and Just a Man - I like this better than the re-record. Mainly because of the raw emotions involved on Jorge's voice. Don't get me wrong, the new version sounds good too along with better instruments but the way the two songs are arranged in the older version just emphasized the emotions behind his voice. Although the background ensemble on "When does a man become a monster?", the re-recorded was better.
2. Full Speed Ahead - oh god. I like the ensemble, its just so raw with less instruments. It actually feels like 600 men are talking.
3. Open Arms - I can actually hear Polities clearly.
4. Warrior of the Mind - again Athena's vocals are in emphasis. While the re recorded emphasizes on the blend of vocals and motifs.
My conclusion:
The Troy Saga feels like it was recorded for a Broadway/ Live Play Show with emphasis on the vocals and emotions behind it. Don't get me wrong but the re recorded version sounds cleaner (less hints of auto - tune) but it sounds like it was recorded for a clean album while this original re-recording is for live play. Both are great actually. Its a matter of preference. I just wish Jorge can get this back.
Your re-upload uploads are goated. Thank you.
Ikr like the new one just sounds rushed lbs but thanks for posting the original
I'm pretty tone deaf (not sure if it's the right word) I can't really tell things apart when it comes to music, so I can't tell the difference between the older version of those two songs with the new ones. I can only tell a bit at the start of Warriors of the Mind where the singing part comes in a bit later. What are the differences between the old and newer ones of Warriors of the Mind and Goodbye? The instrument? I've been going back and forth between these two songs to compare to the old one (since I'm only listening to the songs with Athena in it), and I can't tell the difference other than the older one's instruments can be louder at times in the old version
@@blackrose_k8062the only thing they changed is the vocals, since this was a dispute with a record label.
I don't understand why people act like the two version are so much different. I can barely hear the difference and it's not even THAT much.
just a man new and old version layered over eachother 😭
This is so much better, too bad that these had to be replaced.
I don't understand people saying this version is better, I see people saying this has more emotion but I disagree. Listening to it just sounds empty meanwhile the newer versions are much more emotional to me but that's just my opinion
right??? honestly a lot of the cast + jorge’s voices have gotten better and i was surprised people didnt like the newer ones :(( i understand its hard to get used to but it honestly hurts me listening to the old ones knowing they didnt get revenue from it
@@hyac1nthuss Yea! Not only are the newer version cooler to me but also the cast is actually getting appreciated for their work and I don't understand why some people in the comments straight up said they didn't care if the cast got nothing because these versions were better and thats just rude. The newer versions are awesome and we have the bonus of the cast getting what they deserve
For me the only part I like better is everything from Ody’s scream to when Zeus and Ody overlap in THATI and that’s only because Zeus just doesn’t sound as Kingly to me in the newer version.
@@Glyphic1972 fair enough
for me personally, it’s because i listened to this version of the songs so much that the new ones feel off :( they’re definitely good! i unfortunately struggle with change so it’s hard for me to stop listening to this version 😭
I got into epic after he re released the troy saga so i was curious about the originals but i like them both edit: actually i lied i like the re released versions better it just sounds better
nah you just don't understand 😔
@@seven5410 basing it around musical technicality, the newer versions are better than the originals. but i do understand the attachment to the originals. for me, i preferred the demo version of hera's part in god games, felt more regal
@@oof2104 ikr, there's magic in hearing it the first time. It just hits like a truck the magic and all when what you hear resonate with what you remember
same
That's interesting and confirms my theory that many of us just imprint onto what we hear first
I personally like the new ones the old ones sounds a little off in there voices
Ok layer warrior of the mind over the official version and its fucking amazing.
are you talking about layering the vocals on top of the official versions instrumentals? because the instrumentals are the same, and layering the vocals on top of eachother would be messy, because they’re completely different in the line delivery at times and how fast/slow they sing the lines.
❤️😭Pls never delete it😭❤️
I'm here aftr the Ithaca saga and it just hits diffrent
The newer versions arent poison. I dont know why people act like the OGs are perfect in every way, even though the audio is noticibly more amateurish than the newer ones.
@RandooART I don't know if you are hating on me or what but what I'm saing is that after iy all ended it's nostalic af to go back and listen to what got me into epic
@@Nemiii_16 I wanted to reply to your other comment
Tbh the older songs feel more done and polished and honestly more iconic. I can’t imagine myself listening to any of the Ithaca saga songs besides maybe challenge. Idk I think they needed more time in the oven or something
There are such minor differences between the two versions I will respect the Creator and listen to the newer versions that he actually gets paid for.
I listen to the newest sagas religiously, and the numbers show how much engagement J has received. These two sagas just have a noticeable difference in presentation and emotion; I doubt it’s significantly affecting J, people listening on another platform. Moral grandstanding aside, these have special places in people’s hearts, they should be enjoyed.
Escuché que las originales eran mejores que la actuales, pero no solo no se escucha la gran diferencia, sino que, en general, las actuales son mejores porque se nota el crecimiento del grupo y como mejoraron muchas técnicas.
i know we think this hits different, but can i just shout out at the new ver's 'Give me till surnise'' becuase that gives me goosebumps ;) and also we can see how Jorge's voice and enseble and everything has grown!
i don't want him too because I'm sure its a lot of work, but during the Circe saga was when he got into the perfect audio. however the ocean saga after the New version still feels like it needs a makeover with the new versions. it may just be me and i love the ocean saga as is, but its something I've noticed Jorge may need to revisit. anyone else feel this or just me. its just the audio feels a bit off.
Can you give us a download link?
I think there is a way to download the audio from youtube videos. try just google searching "convert youtube videos to mp3 audio"
Love the new version... But I miss the scream from Horse And The Infant when Odysseus gets a glimpse of what would happen if he didn't... Finish the job.
Thank you very much for sharing these songs. Is there a way you can share the audio? I would love to have it in my music library, please.
I think there is a way to download the audio from youtube videos. try just google searching "convert youtube videos to mp3 audio"
There's youtube to mp3 converters online
I like the og version better it has more life but I get why it changed
Polites sounds sooo much better in the original
Thank you so much, i really hate that Jay god betrayed and they stole this Versions of the Songs but i like them so much more then his re-recordings 😭😭
I really don't like them at all, especially when it comes to my favorit Song "Open Arms"!! What happend? I mean, for example the line "stay back!" From Odysseus, why does he have only for this line a whole different voice??!! It doesn't make any sense to me!!
5:38!!
No because I hate the new songs they just sound off..
Me too 😔
@@authorthenugget54same soon as I played I noticed it was different
@@N0rmandy ikr it just feels a lot more empty, like there’s not as much emotion as in the original.
@@authorthenugget54exactly!! I'm so glad I'm not alone in this.
@@authorthenugget54 exactly, they sound so robotic
You shouldn't promote this
Bruh we need it, new shit don't hit the same
@@bluewolf619125but the new shit is what they are actually getting payed for and have the rights to. The company they worked with on these wouldn't pay them or let them have the rights back so they had to remake it to actually have it and continue
@@charlie33331 that's obvious g, I'm pretty sure everyone who searched for this vid knows that already but still wants to hear what they have grown accustomed to. It's a most unfortunate situation but I'll be honest, I'm here for the music, not the artist. From what I know of him he seems pretty cool but I don't feel any real loyalty to the guy which would inspire me to listen to lesser versions of the songs I like just for his gain.
@@bluewolf619125 that's fair! I Just personally have been following the making of this since the beginning and it has a special place in my heart so i do have loyalty to the creator and music. Cant have one without the other. I don't disagree with you! I'm here too for the music but I still think people should listen to the new stuff as well as it can't continue without the support allowing them to make it. And you'd be surprised of how many people don't know why it was remade in the first place. I'm just spreading info as I love this and want many people to hear it but also know why stuff is different.
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