I see a lot of comments and concern and I just want to say 2 things. One: None of this matters because if you are good you will still rank up, improve etc. Two: There will NEVER be any way to 100% prove this unless net ease themselves come out and say it. So don't stress too much just play the game and enjoy it. This was more of me just sharing what I learned from the video I cited. Anyways I love yall!
They literally have a paper called "EnMatch: Matchmaking for Better Player Engagement via Neural Combinatorial Optimization" detailing all of this, so GG I guess. And no, if you win too much, the system corrects for that and puts you in losing matches. Being good doesn't matter in EOMM/EnMatch. It's not about how good you are. It's about how much you play and buy stuff. Most AAA multiplayer games nowadays are just a funnel to a store disguised as a game, and Rivals is no different.
Oh well I’ll just win all my games then it’s just that simple. I love beating decked out lords on their own character when I don’t even have an hr invested into.
Ok I gotta ask does playing some quick match help bc if I lose one or two times I go to quick match for like 4 to 6 matches then go back to comp and usually get some solid not steam roll matches which is super nice ofc
@omegacon4 it would be silly to think that net ease wouldn’t be able to implement a better more advanced version of the matchmaking that activision started YEARS AGO. Cheaters are inevitable and ALWAYS getting more advanced. I don’t think algorithms based on easily traceable metrics that is designed to keep you playing or spending money would be so difficult to implement that a company wouldn’t some form of it.
@@gargadukno it's legit. When I'm at 90 or above points the next game is a guaranteed loss typically even when I do well or is svp. And I usually win to break a losing streak right as I say in my head "if I lose this one I'm done" the system is amazing at keeping us hooked . Watch and you'll notice patterns
I've had a rank up game to get GM 6 times now and I've lost all 6 of them and all of those games felt unwinnable from the start, like I'm talking massive team diff every time. I'm starting to lose my damn mind.
Hidden MMR is what killed BO6 for me. Quick play needs to be random and ranked needs to be based off visible rank and nothing else. Get this out of our games.
I sincerely believe people in diamond rank+ should straight up have quick play disabled, or exclusively match against other diamond+ ranked people in quick play. Nothing is less compelling than playing with someone who no life's the game trying to play against casuals, or playing against them.
@@deadzoneternity that’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever read people in ranked gonna wanna go chill in quickplay with some irl friends and chill or just solo que if they don’t wanna go play ranked also just cause someone is in diamond or higher don’t make them a no life most people just have the genuine skill lil bro
Hey so I have a master degree in machine learning and read the paper, heres my take away: How the algorithm works is it has 3 main components, the first looks at synergies and suppression between heroes, generates a neighbor based embedding graph, then generates score values for that. Then it takes that and applies it to an individual player to create a matrix on factors such as hero pick rate, hero win rate, and what they call mastery. Then it groups a set of players, calculates a total team strength based off how these synergies match with each other, then calculates a score for the match, where as we approach positive or negative infinity one team or the other is more weighted to win. At no point in the paper does it mention intentionally fixing matches to force wins or losses, just attempting to optimize in team synergies to create a team as strong as possible from its pool. While it says its overall matchmaking system does use a rough skill ranking system to bracket players for optimization, it at no point tries to fix a match before its started. I'd argue it pools a set of 12 players from a bracket, and runs its calculations to find an optimal pairing for the 12 based of everything I mentioned. While it can't be perfect since the 12 players seem to be picked either by random or some other feature, it doesn't seem malicious like other forms of EOMM.
Are you basing this on information provided by NetEase, or are you making hypotheses based on some testing and the UCLA EOMM abstract? If you haven't explored the rabbit hole into that information, there's much more beneath the surface. I'm actually basing my MBA thesis on this topic. I've experimented with multiple accounts and had mixed results. However, it's clear that the game is designed to induce casual player churn to benefit highly competitive players to promote the game, which the AI views as free content advertisement for more casual players. They also manipulate the win rate to hover around 48%-52% in quick play after 300 matches based on spending patterns to increase churn by matching you against high MMR players and pushing you out. I discovered this by playing multiple accounts with different spending levels. One thing is certain: they do not track IPs, so you can technically bounce accounts after losses and stay under the radar. The whole situation is fascinating because there's no telling what other applications this science is being applied to in competitive environments outside of online gaming.
Well the point is that it’s sorting teams before the game starts. Rather than find 12 close ranked players and randomly putting them on two teams, it tries to balance out the teams. So if you have really good stats, it’s gonna put the person with bad stats on your team to balance out. And it says in the paper that this is purely to prolong player satisfaction. So it’s not being balanced for competitiveness, it’s being balanced to keep you playing as long as possible.
I appreciate you typing it out. But I'd still say that is far more complicated then it needs to be. They could easily just pull from every player in the rank range the person is in and then let the better team win. With most things in life if it's complicated there is a reason, and it's rarely a good one. Anyways I love this game!
Losers queue was a topic for some time now (example: LoL) but people need to realize even if its true the system isnt whats pulling them away from desired rank, biggest factor of the outcome is your own focus, theres a thing called autopiloting where you can have godmode for 3 games then lose focus start playing like a robot and hitting tanks for 5 minutes instead of searching for flank for example
It's insane to think video games were better when the tech was worse. Now that companies are obsessed with "player retention" I find myself playing those types of games less and less which directly goes against their efforts of player retention. Look at CoD this year, it's lost more players in the first few months than ANY OTHER CoD in history and they're got more things built in for player retention than Rivals.
It's not about player retention, it's about *payer* retention. Game companies don't care about having a lot of players, they care about keeping the people that pay a lot of money around.
@@straightforward5724 plenty of people will spend money on a dead game, because unless the servers are closed, the people spending money have a sunk cost fallacy they deal with where they adamantly oppose the idea it is a dead game, even if they are the only one of like 12 people playing.
A trend I noticed. You can literally lose till you’re on the d-rank game then Instantly win 3 in a row get you one or 2 away from ranking up. Then the cycle continues. But what’s odd is you go from not missing at all to missing when you know you should be hitting. It’s like they’re playing with hit boxes.
They are indeed playing with the hitboxs. Its in the netease paper. Another youtube walked through all of this and read the doc word for word its pretty crazy actually. Its based on player retention and preying on the gamer's psychology of never end on a loss lol its great to end on a loss.
@ I knew something was up when I was literally praised by my team as being the best Thor they have seen and the very next game went 0-11 on storm punisher and Thor. Didn’t get a kill till I got on iron fist 😂
I was 1 game from solo q GM. then we get a spiderman who goes 1 and 8 and refuses to switch. Then my next game a hawkeye called us gamer words and refused to switch. Then some dude at halftime switched to black widow and said he was throwing because he didn’t like we had a loki on our team, who was our best healer Solo q is hell. I went on a 9 game svp streak. Just starting to climb back up to D1. Streaming today on my channel
I hit celestial this season. I did notice that after a loss, if you completly close the game for like 15 min to 30 min, I was getting better/more fair normal matches as well. As i hit celestial i lost 2 in a row, did not quit, went on like a 5 game lossstreak. Games were complete stomps.
@@Coach_Shotty thanks for this ingo i was crying in unwinnable lobbies wondering what the actual like the dropoff is insane .......has no place in a "ranked" mode very manipulative
@@gargaduk Besides buying skins, you are giving something much more valuable, your lifetime. In all the "free to play" games, only a very small percentage are buying skins, most of the players are giving their lifetime so that those buying skins have people playing the game together.
I can't believe they predetermined me all the way to diamond. Now that I think about it that's probably why I can't stay in gm. It's not that my skill is diamond it's just that the game is rigged against me personally. It's all making sense now
Me and my buddy have it figured out too. The game wants you to be at a 50% win ratio. If I que with my buddy and we win 3 games in a row we either get off or keep playing till we lose. If we lose the next one we get off with a 3-1 or 75% win rate for the day. Let’s say we do this 3 nights a week. That ends up being a total of 9-3 which is a good record for 12 games played. My other friend played and went 1-6. But he kept playing and ended as 6-6. He played 2 more games and went 7-7 total for the day. Forced 50% win ratio.
I don't think you are looking at it correctly. Rivals wants each game to be a 50-50 shot or as close to that as possible for each side to win. That's just fair matchmaking. People say "forced 50 percent win rate" if that was true, then no one would be able to reach top 500 because they would all be capped at a 50% win rate. The more games you win, the higher your elo and mmr will be, the higher elo your allies and enemies will be. If you can't perform in that elo, you will lose and drop back to an elo that you an perform in. 50% win rate means that you have stagnated in your skill level and you need to find out where to improve to break the next plateau.
Pinned and liked for what in reality? Nothing. Hollow. Quite telling, tbh. My friend & I had X, our other friend had Y. Pure facts. System exposed. Beyond pathetically laughable.
Of course it is like that, like in any other game. If you lose, you rank down and get easier enemies, if you win you get harder enemies. Therefore win rate will be about 50%. It's impossible to have a win rate that is much higher than 50%, except if you're by far the best player in the game. Otherwise, there's always someone better than you, who you will be matched against. Also, every match needs to have a loser, not all players can win all the time.
This is just kinda confirmation bias though. I didn't start getting around 50 percent win rate until I got around diamond which is probably about my skill level. If you're winning 50% consistently that's just your rank
I got to Gold 1 and will go higher with one strat: only go in ranked if you feel good and stop after one or two loses. After 1 or 2 hours i come back and win again Now this and splatoon3 are the only games i played ranked with passion and not just for skins
Dude im 3 mins in and you are explaining my last night to a T. Lost like 10 in a row just wanted to go until i won, sent my buddy a snap crashing out and then next game had the most absolutely unsatisfying easy win of my life. Makes me feel insane
This type of matchmaking is the reason that apex died, well besides the horrible money practices ea implemented. I remember feeling like 'Wait why are my teamates so bad, I just got into plat one/diamond'. and later I found out that Apex used a matchmaking system that matches everything in this video.
This is modern gaming. This is Fortnite, this is COD, this is Warzone, this is R6 Siege, this is Apex, this is Halo, this is definitely Overwatch Every single major game with a "competitive" playlist has been doing this for years and years. The kicker is they've been doing it in arcade/social/casual playlists too.
I made a video about the history and creation of all these modern systems, too. Its crazy i am still having to teach people about these systems 15+ years later. These fundamentals should be well-known especially when they added sbmm and eomm algos in. What's worst is all the huge content creators and "pros" that have advocated for and defended these horrible systems for over a decade because their livelihoods depend entirely on big daddy developer seeing them put out nothing but positive spin and lie to defend company decisions that ruin all our matchmaking experiences. There is just NO WAY nobody has the capacity to develop better and more consistently-accurate matchmakers. I know what the most modern AI can do, there is no way we cannot train a model to gauge skill very effectively and stop using modified elo chess systems in multipleyer team games.
This is incorrect. The research paper that was the so-called "proof" in the original video says nothing about winning streaks, forced loser queues, or rigging games. It just describes a mechanism for optimizing player satisfaction based on hero picks, player skill, and team comps. Basically an insanely juiced-up version of elo in chess. There is not even evidence Rivals implements the mechanisms in that paper. This video and the source video are making things up without understanding the "proof" they're citing.
I knew a comment like this would happen and while yes there is no way of 10000% knowing this is true. But its very likely and from a business standpoint why would they not implement something like this? Also as for it "not talking about win streaks" that's just not true
@@Coach_Shotty I think the issue is that it seems like you are speculating while also titling the video, "Marvel Rivals Matchmaking is RIGGED (With Proof)". OP is correctly stating that the paper does not contain a lot of points you bring up in this video. For example, what parts of the paper or sources make you believe the skin thing is real? I'm genuinely curious.
Sounds kind of insane to think they spent all of this time on this advances matchmaking system when the issue could be solved with role queue. Obviously they are not just trying to get you a good team. If you think that I believe you are naive as to how these companies think
As soon as you get a team wipe Ult, the bots auto target you to respawn you out of the team fight. Healers are helpless to save you when this happens. Sucks.
As a data analyst, I can say with confidence that his video is flawed. Take it all with a grain of salt. One example, he says you can fail till grandmaster with Chronoshield. Chronoshield ends after gold. You have to get through Plat and Diamond without it. Lots more info that's not great.
This whole discussion is just people coping with being gold players. In our heads we are all eternal players so it must be the matchmaking that is rigged against us. For some reason against all of us at the same time, sich should not even be possible but here we are.
THIS MAKES SO MUCH SENSE I WAS ON A 4 WIN STREAK LAST NIGHT AND 1 AWAY FROM CELEST AND GOT 2 SHITTERS. AVOIDED THEM BOTH AND THEY BOTH WERE ON MY TEAM AGAIN
I was playing my GM rank up game and it legit felt like I had Golds on my team. I was playing as Mag and ended 14-7 with 7 final hits while everyone else on my team went negative or even with one guy having 3 final hits as the 2nd highest on the team.
Remember back in the day when there were no ranking systems? You just got into games with random blokes and played away. Sometimes you got noobs, sometimes you got "pros" in your team or opposing team, but at the end of the day it was all about having fun and doing your best. Now gaming is all about who sweats the most, there is no more fun. Just gotta grind that rank and you can't even escape it in quickplay because of hidden mmr etc. Comp. games have become a slog of a chorefest. Thank god there are still games like planetside or coop games. Much more fun, no sweatting.
@@LeoJinx01the thing is… it is true. Yes skill can get you but once you hit your ceiling weather that’s gm celestial bronze silver plat diamond etc the game is rigged it’s been in matchmaking for years now. Some call it EOMM but Yh it’s defo in
I 💯 believe there are bots in ranked matches, the amount of games I've had where people spawn and run straight in without a word typed, is just too many, while the enemy is completely grouped up. On a .5 second queue time no less 😒 at least give the usual 2min queue so it's believable.
As a Former OG OW Player I get why yall get this feeling, but this is literally EVRY ranked based game that exists out there. When you hit the rank you are supposed to be at that moment, you’ll get a 50ish percent win rate and it gets harder to get out. Me and my friend are “stuck” at the very bottom of diamond and yes sometimes it’s us getting smoked mercilessly and sometimes it’s us smoking the enemies. You also have your fair share of close and exciting games. Problem is, COD has fried our brains so much that we think about SBMM as a fundamentally horrible thing, but guys, we ARE playing ranked. We WANT to play people that are on pure level. If you don’t, than go play casual
It is 1000% rigged. I tried it myself. I didn't play for 2 days deliberately and just few hours ago when I played I got god team mates and enemies who were like bots for 2 games. The third game was a very close game although we lost it was a good game, next game Inwon again and the 4th game again a close game that I lost. I didn't play after that and taking a 2 hour break. Note : Whenever you LOSE a close skilled game stop playing immediately because then the mm will put you in a team worse than your skill. But whenever you WIN a close game keep queueing
It’s definitely noticeable that they rig things in my opinion. Whenever I played ranked I would win a ton of games but then when it came to the final game to rank up I would lose it WITHOUT fail. No matter what I did or who my teammates were. And I also know the feeling about playing with bad teammates. I swear some of them are Neanderthals that have NEVER touched a controller before lmao it’s so bad.
I must be getting all the bad half of the rigging because it feels like i'm the one with the braindead paraplegic chimps on unicycles on my team every single damn game no matter when i play or how well i play
Gonna be real with you dude... you're probably the problem. You know that saying "If everyone around you is an asshole, you're probably the asshole"? Same shit. If you feel like everyone in your games is dogshit, take a look at what you're doing. The only common denominator between all these games is you.
@@Lucifaar that's not always the case though sometimes the other teams you are going up against are just better or they have a few squads together something like that.
@echo8168 Yeah that's why I said "probably" the problem. I obviously don't know the details of his games, but without any more context, that is the most reasonable conclusion. In my experience almost everyone who says "my team is always shit" won't admit they might be the reason why they're losing. If you have 10 games, it's very unlikely that you will have garbage teams in all of them.
@@Lucifaar that's what I mean though you might not have garbage teammates the other team might just be that good. I do agree with that too though, most people who do take it out on the "team" every game don't think I can be themselves so it's probably not the team in that situation.
I tested this myself, and knew 100% that is what is happening in my case. When I saw the paper I just got vindicated. I love that as time passes I can trust my gut feelings and rationalle.
Yea this is definitely a thing. Took a break for a couple of days, and I went on an 8 game win streak to get from gold 3 to plat 3 all mvp games. Then i had 3 matches in a row where I was the only one with KOs. Had people on the other team calling me a smurf because i slapped them around with spiderman. Think one game i had like 14kos and the rest of me team had 1 or 2 lmao
The other thing I’ve noticed about the match making is that out of all the hero’s, they seem to know what people are going to pick. What I mean is that teams will pick mostly the same hero’s as their opposition despite not communicating. The odds on a supposedly random selection like that are extremely weird for how much it seems to happen.
EOMM is the death of modern gaming. It’s so painfully obvious in game which is what makes it not work as intended. EOMM only works when the player base doesn’t know they are being manipulated. Modern games crank it so hard that we all feel it and it has the opposite effect making us play less.
The biggest problem with this 'coming out' is that people will start blaming the system, not themself for loosing. At the end of the day, its still you who loses. If you start blaming the system and stop looking at your own play, you wont improve, making you even more hardstuck causing you to blame the system even more. Indefinet cycle pretty much
I wouldn't mind this so much if it wasn't for the fact that every single time the game decides I've won too many times, I get totally stomped. It feels fucking awful. If its time for me to lose, at least let me have a goddamn chance at winning. It's like "oh you're feeling good about yourself cause of your wins? Haha fuck you here's a top 500 team to fight against". At least give me a somewhat even matchup for my losing game.
I swear it's almost like if the game wants you to lose on purpose, you win 3 times, then you get destroyed multiple times even if you have a really good team.
None of this is proven and he talk as if he does and in the wide variety there aren’t these type of ques in the higher elo with AI bots and whatever you’ll see some of the same people over again
Hidden MMR is the bane of my ranked existence. It’s really not so bad by itself but combining it with rank resetting at the start of the season makes it such a slog. It should be like the old days, where genuine low ranks had to wait a couple days for the sweats to grind back up to where they belong. Visible rank should be all that matters. F being “plat level” while my real rank says bronze and facing other fake bronzes. I might only do one season on this game
I’m in platinum and I spent a day playing with my bronze friend and we lost almost every game, but it’s cool I was playing with him for fun. Now all my lobbies are stone rank when I solo q.
I saw another comment saying something about hitboxes. There some days im aware my aim is a bit off and i take accountability for it. But i swear theres some matches where like i know i should be friggin hitting them. From the other perspective though and its only certain charactersive noticed.WHen watching kill cams, black widow, hawkeye, pretty much all the gun characters specifically it looks like none of their shots should be landing. Ill watch the kill cam and they werent anywhere near my body. I know hawkeye has the ult u can shoot the body traces. Just standard shooting, looking at the kill cam there is no way that shot shouldve landed
That’s how I feel about Mr incredible. I’ve seen so many kill cams from after he kills me where his crosshair is literally a whole foot away from my character and I’m still getting hit. I know you gotta aim off to the side of the enemy to hit them but I’m talking like if you put 3-4 other models of my character side by side, his attacks are that far away still hitting me but I gotta have like microscopic precision to hit some of these characters
@@Gu3ssWhatsN3XTMr fantastic's arm can swing though, i.e. when is stretched he can move the crosshair past you to hit you. Or you genuinely seeing hits when there was no contact ever?
Not specifically to this video but you give me the impression you’ve listened/watched a lot of Alex Hormozi content! Good luck with everything bro! Your content is top tier and I hope your Metafy coaching does numbers for you 🙏🏽
As someone that has my main in GM (19 hours) and my alt, Diamond 2 (11 hours) My main gains 26-32 loses 15-20 My alt however Gains 35-50 loses 10-15, 20 if i did absolute DOG Most games are like this, and it makes sense. I just play til i lose then get off
I noticed that even tho there are no role lock, the comp is almost aways balanced. And there is no hesitation, like those players were gonna choose that champion regardless of other players. So I say that match making also organizes team comp.
Tbh I feel like this was very obvious, I always get a good game and if I do good I’ll get a very difficult game, but the part that doesn’t make me not want to play is that the game is genuinely just fun to play whether I lose or win
The only reason I don't believe most of these matchmaking filters... The queue times. It seems like there's no filter at all, even in upper GM, it's often like 2-5 second queue. Sometimes there isn't even a queue timer. Lmao.
@@ikisssheep9625 , homie, I don't give a fuck about the computer, it still needs people with all those parameters to hit the queue button. LOL. I wasn't saying computers were slow, I was saying the chances that there are 5 other people with ALLL those parameters AND being the same rank as me queuing at the EXACT same time as me is impossible to be so consistent.
@@jacobelsea3595 lil bro first of all high rank games are 10-15 min queues. Second of all there are 40million players. Third of all not everyone gets those super quick queues always maybe just maybe the insta queues are just when you’re the last one required for a game to start 😱
@ikisssheep9625 , top 500 queues in any game are always long. Overwatch top ranked queues can be 40-60 minutes. Lmao. Statistically, it's just about impossible that I'm the last person needed every single time I press the queue button for hundreds of hours worth of games. There are also definitely not 40-million players in GM 2, so that statement is incredibly fuckin' stupid. Not even close to 40-million players, especially just on my platform, online at once.
I am on a seven game Mantis SVP streak. In six of the seven matches, i had at least one person on my team leave. Soloq on console is so annoying ive genuinely given up. I cannot get out of BRONZE. It is a sandtrap of dps instalocks who will immediately throw if they dont get their way.
You will get absolute apes telling you that stats and numbers don't matter while the completely ignore the fact that the Devs themselves track those exact numbers to determine player performance and point gains. I'm done with this community. They are so spineless and complacent they just aren't going to get it.
I dont doubt this one bit, i come from the cod community and thats exactly how their matchmaking system works. But the matchmaking algorithm is so strong that its literally been killing the cod franchise for 3-4 years now
But I hate quitting on a lose😢 It does feel like the enemy team is AI sometimes, like suddenly turning 180 and pinpoint shooting me in the air 50 yards away
i, ranked myself to diamond. And from that day, I have never ever again had a game in quick play where getting to play against players that are weaker than me. I sacrificed my joy to play tanks and healers so that my team could prevail in ranked games and guess what, I will never get to play the dps characters anymore because I don’t even get a chance to try out and learn them, not even in quick plays. And what is worse is that even if I swap to an alt account, the system recognizes me some how, and I will be matched with either a Smurf who is just playing their mains on a low level account or a bunch of fking lvl 45 diamond players. So, my advice is, do not even touch ranked game, the moment you try to prove yourself, you can say bye to the happy and joy.
I’ve had a bunch of games in quick play where I’ll either be stuck with healer, which I don’t mind, I’m a healer main, but even I sometimes want to play a dps, and I’ll end up with people locking in 3-4 dps and a healer and I’m just sitting there like “nah, I’m done ranking and healing, I’m picking a dps. Don’t like it? Too bad” and just play whatever I want
Bronce and Silver I was getting more loose streaks than in Gold or Platin now. I usually play only 3-5 ranked matches currently which gave me a constant climb. Yesterday I only did 3 matches and only gained 5 points but it was a gain as well. About Bots in Ranked .. well Ive seen healers trying to heal THROUGH walls ... in a ranked.
6:00 is this part a joke? Sorry if being stupid but how is that “cool” in any way? It’s blatantly anti-consumer and pay to win. It’s part of the reason I’ll never buy any micro-transaction in any game ever. What r u talking abt?
@ he quite literally explained in the video that the matchmaking would favor people with skins in order to convince the losing team that the skins make any difference and to entice them
People will deny it no matter what because if they accept the truth it reflects poorly on their worldview and their perception of this game. They would rather die with the lie no matter how much information comes out.
I’m not good but the amount of times I’ve been matched with teams where mine seems like they are learning the characters whereas my enemies know what they’re doing is insane, how is that even possible this matchmaking doesn’t make sense to me
I stop playing after the second loss following my 5-6 win streak. I start with a win streak again the next day and stop after the second loss, especially if it's gonna be the rank up match (99/100 🙄) bc it will often put with bad players to not reach the next rank and keep grinding When I tilt queue to finally get that win, I go on long losing streaks where I outperfom the rest of my team, that was before I knew this game had EOMM I'm good at hero shooters (played overwatch for years and was Diamond 1-2) but I noticed that sometimes I get matched with teammates that are not on my skill level in Marvel Rivals, they are dumber than bots. EOMM is fucked up. I have no real power over my wins & losses but an Algorithm deciding if it's my turn to steamroll or get steamrolled
Glad to hear this I hit GM solo queue then ended up losing it. I’ve been trying to grind back to it, my teammates are great all the way til my rank up game then my rank up game I get team with no comms no nothing against players who just slam my whole team..
Almost ranked up a couple days duo with my friend trying to get him to gold 1 and me to play 3 we win first out of 3 just to choke the entire game no one does it’s together nothing. It was so sad been hard stuck ever since.
This right here brother. I've had my rank up game for GM 6 times now and I've lost all 6. Every one of those games felt unwinnable form the start and you could tell it was a massive team diff. I've even had a few of them be completely imbalanced rank wise where the other team had 4 GMs and we only had 2.
Just gonna say, that if anyone sees a skin after someone's play of the game or the equivalent of that and immediately rushes to the store to spend money for the skin without even considering whether or not they actually play the character, or if they are even good with the character, that person is a huge problem and also a dumbass.
I'd assume most of them wouldn't be so quick and blatant. More like you see that Magik skin looks cool when the enemy stomps you and now you think it looks cool (and skilled). Then later you decide to play that character because they are always a menace. You play them and figure why not get the cool skin. Meanwhile without this setup a good amount of people (me) would never look at the store for all the skins.
I have had similar results and I agree with you but one note that I forgot to mention is that smurfing “ruins” this system and that’s also why they deemed smurfing as “malicious behavior” because it messes with their system
Awkward is a professional gamer of course he can bypass the EOMM. This video pertains to people who don't earn a living competitively playing or coaching video games. "Any game is winnable for awkward." Not for silver 1 Peter lol.
To say this game has rigged matchmaking is really a disservice to the game they made Coming from cod, where ranked or pubs it takes minutes to find a match after queue because it is rigging your matches Compared to something like apex, where the sbmm exists but is a lot looser and you can find matches a lot quicker, about within 30 seconds To this where if your in quick play you find a match within 1 second, it is very clear, they might have these factors in the game, but are adamant about keeping pubs random and connection based Which would be the very opposite of what you’ve said in this video Ranked, is its own thing, and in ranked they can’t rig matches the way you might think, depending on the rank. But the higher you going rank, The harder it is to rig because the better and better players get Willl you still get bad teammates at mid to high elo, yes, but that’s true for every game, doesn’t mean the match making is rigged
I played ranked for the first time yesterday after starting the game a few weeks ago. Went from bronze to plat after around 40ish games and noticed what you mentioned. Whenever I would win 5 games in a row they would make the 6th game near impossible to win. They would group me with 1-2 people that have sub 40% wintate while the enemy team all had positive wr. (I found this out by checking everyone's player profiles after each game) This would usually happen for 2 games until they put me into a normal game again. Sometimes I win those near impossible games but the next one becomes more impossible. And this would keep escalating until I eventually lose. I do believe there's a system that tries to force a balanced wr on players. But i think it's doing it job right. I wouldn't recommend trying to game the system, instead just focus on improving yourself as a player. Plus, the rigged games are actually way more fun than the normal ones. You actually get the opportunity to make some crazy game-winning clutch plays. Even some of the games I lose were the most fun I had playing marvel rivals.
I used this method since Overwatch - here I can even do a 2 day break and then I get a single win and a bunch of loses. Ultimately I have a barely above 50% win rate, but it depends on the WEEK, not day over day. Hate those days where I don't even get bad players, but full on toxic "hey guys I'm tilted I'm gonna troll and I don't care about the reports" types of people. Sometimes 3 games in a row(I don't quit after 2, I just play 3 games and if I win one I quit after the first 2 losses)
smurfin btw is very specifically having an alternate account thats ranked lower than your primary for ex. a diamond main playing on a silver alt with there friends are clearly gonna dominate that lobby....that is "smurfing"
I see a lot of comments and concern and I just want to say 2 things. One: None of this matters because if you are good you will still rank up, improve etc. Two: There will NEVER be any way to 100% prove this unless net ease themselves come out and say it. So don't stress too much just play the game and enjoy it. This was more of me just sharing what I learned from the video I cited.
Anyways I love yall!
This is tinfoil hat BS. Netease can't even detect cheaters and you think it can do all this????
They literally have a paper called "EnMatch: Matchmaking for Better Player Engagement via Neural Combinatorial Optimization" detailing all of this, so GG I guess. And no, if you win too much, the system corrects for that and puts you in losing matches. Being good doesn't matter in EOMM/EnMatch. It's not about how good you are. It's about how much you play and buy stuff. Most AAA multiplayer games nowadays are just a funnel to a store disguised as a game, and Rivals is no different.
Oh well I’ll just win all my games then it’s just that simple. I love beating decked out lords on their own character when I don’t even have an hr invested into.
Ok I gotta ask does playing some quick match help bc if I lose one or two times I go to quick match for like 4 to 6 matches then go back to comp and usually get some solid not steam roll matches which is super nice ofc
@omegacon4 it would be silly to think that net ease wouldn’t be able to implement a better more advanced version of the matchmaking that activision started YEARS AGO. Cheaters are inevitable and ALWAYS getting more advanced.
I don’t think algorithms based on easily traceable metrics that is designed to keep you playing or spending money would be so difficult to implement that a company wouldn’t some form of it.
I also noticed that when I'm one game away from going to the next rank, I'll go on a losing streak.
Subjective perception, I think.
can't tell you how many times I've been at 98 on diamond 2 only to go on a losing streak back to plat 1
@@gargadukno it's legit. When I'm at 90 or above points the next game is a guaranteed loss typically even when I do well or is svp. And I usually win to break a losing streak right as I say in my head "if I lose this one I'm done" the system is amazing at keeping us hooked . Watch and you'll notice patterns
Thats literally me two, im two points away from next rank, GM3, then, conveniently go on a 3 loss streak and go back to square one
I've had a rank up game to get GM 6 times now and I've lost all 6 of them and all of those games felt unwinnable from the start, like I'm talking massive team diff every time. I'm starting to lose my damn mind.
Hidden MMR is what killed BO6 for me. Quick play needs to be random and ranked needs to be based off visible rank and nothing else. Get this out of our games.
Seriously 👍
Bo6 was awful. And on top of it there's the infamous skill based damage and I swear I could feel it in half the games I played
I sincerely believe people in diamond rank+ should straight up have quick play disabled, or exclusively match against other diamond+ ranked people in quick play.
Nothing is less compelling than playing with someone who no life's the game trying to play against casuals, or playing against them.
@deadzoneternity im gm & some of my other friends dont play ranked thats the worst idea ive ever heard
@@deadzoneternity that’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever read people in ranked gonna wanna go chill in quickplay with some irl friends and chill or just solo que if they don’t wanna go play ranked also just cause someone is in diamond or higher don’t make them a no life most people just have the genuine skill lil bro
Hey so I have a master degree in machine learning and read the paper, heres my take away:
How the algorithm works is it has 3 main components, the first looks at synergies and suppression between heroes, generates a neighbor based embedding graph, then generates score values for that. Then it takes that and applies it to an individual player to create a matrix on factors such as hero pick rate, hero win rate, and what they call mastery. Then it groups a set of players, calculates a total team strength based off how these synergies match with each other, then calculates a score for the match, where as we approach positive or negative infinity one team or the other is more weighted to win. At no point in the paper does it mention intentionally fixing matches to force wins or losses, just attempting to optimize in team synergies to create a team as strong as possible from its pool.
While it says its overall matchmaking system does use a rough skill ranking system to bracket players for optimization, it at no point tries to fix a match before its started. I'd argue it pools a set of 12 players from a bracket, and runs its calculations to find an optimal pairing for the 12 based of everything I mentioned. While it can't be perfect since the 12 players seem to be picked either by random or some other feature, it doesn't seem malicious like other forms of EOMM.
But why would they tell you if they did that? It has all the infos, are you saying it cant do it?
Are you basing this on information provided by NetEase, or are you making hypotheses based on some testing and the UCLA EOMM abstract? If you haven't explored the rabbit hole into that information, there's much more beneath the surface. I'm actually basing my MBA thesis on this topic. I've experimented with multiple accounts and had mixed results. However, it's clear that the game is designed to induce casual player churn to benefit highly competitive players to promote the game, which the AI views as free content advertisement for more casual players. They also manipulate the win rate to hover around 48%-52% in quick play after 300 matches based on spending patterns to increase churn by matching you against high MMR players and pushing you out. I discovered this by playing multiple accounts with different spending levels. One thing is certain: they do not track IPs, so you can technically bounce accounts after losses and stay under the radar. The whole situation is fascinating because there's no telling what other applications this science is being applied to in competitive environments outside of online gaming.
You’re a gent and a scholar for typing this up 🤝
Well the point is that it’s sorting teams before the game starts. Rather than find 12 close ranked players and randomly putting them on two teams, it tries to balance out the teams. So if you have really good stats, it’s gonna put the person with bad stats on your team to balance out. And it says in the paper that this is purely to prolong player satisfaction. So it’s not being balanced for competitiveness, it’s being balanced to keep you playing as long as possible.
I appreciate you typing it out. But I'd still say that is far more complicated then it needs to be. They could easily just pull from every player in the rank range the person is in and then let the better team win. With most things in life if it's complicated there is a reason, and it's rarely a good one. Anyways I love this game!
Losers queue was a topic for some time now (example: LoL) but people need to realize even if its true the system isnt whats pulling them away from desired rank, biggest factor of the outcome is your own focus, theres a thing called autopiloting where you can have godmode for 3 games then lose focus start playing like a robot and hitting tanks for 5 minutes instead of searching for flank for example
It's insane to think video games were better when the tech was worse. Now that companies are obsessed with "player retention" I find myself playing those types of games less and less which directly goes against their efforts of player retention. Look at CoD this year, it's lost more players in the first few months than ANY OTHER CoD in history and they're got more things built in for player retention than Rivals.
It's not about player retention, it's about *payer* retention.
Game companies don't care about having a lot of players, they care about keeping the people that pay a lot of money around.
@@deadzoneternity which is also stupid, because no one wants to spend money on a dead game.
@@straightforward5724 plenty of people will spend money on a dead game, because unless the servers are closed, the people spending money have a sunk cost fallacy they deal with where they adamantly oppose the idea it is a dead game, even if they are the only one of like 12 people playing.
They’re not trying to make games enjoyable, just addictive. Very sad when you think about it
A trend I noticed. You can literally lose till you’re on the d-rank game then Instantly win 3 in a row get you one or 2 away from ranking up. Then the cycle continues. But what’s odd is you go from not missing at all to missing when you know you should be hitting. It’s like they’re playing with hit boxes.
They are indeed playing with the hitboxs. Its in the netease paper. Another youtube walked through all of this and read the doc word for word its pretty crazy actually. Its based on player retention and preying on the gamer's psychology of never end on a loss lol its great to end on a loss.
@ I knew something was up when I was literally praised by my team as being the best Thor they have seen and the very next game went 0-11 on storm punisher and Thor. Didn’t get a kill till I got on iron fist 😂
It's not just me!! I swear squirrel girl nuts just evaporate sometimes, fkn STACKED area with no shields... I'm like where's the hit markers????
@itzzzRAMPAGE here is the name of the youtuber who went through it
Korvynah
Biggest cope ever this takes the cake. Hit boxes lmao
I was 1 game from solo q GM. then we get a spiderman who goes 1 and 8 and refuses to switch. Then my next game a hawkeye called us gamer words and refused to switch. Then some dude at halftime switched to black widow and said he was throwing because he didn’t like we had a loki on our team, who was our best healer
Solo q is hell. I went on a 9 game svp streak. Just starting to climb back up to D1. Streaming today on my channel
No this is so real. Ive been 1 game away for celestial just to drop down to GM3 then climb to GM1 again and then repeat.
Impressive plug there LMAOO I respect the grind brother
@ love your videos lately bro. It’s great stuff
I hit celestial this season. I did notice that after a loss, if you completly close the game for like 15 min to 30 min, I was getting better/more fair normal matches as well.
As i hit celestial i lost 2 in a row, did not quit, went on like a 5 game lossstreak. Games were complete stomps.
@@nBUMBA I’m going through the same thing the rankling game to Gm is hell
NO WAY! REALLY?!?!? I don’t think in a million billion years I would’ve ever noticed that. Crazy stuff. I swear this isn’t a troll comment. 😉
LMAO BRO PEOPLE TRIED TO CONVINCE ME ITS WAS COPE WHEN I SAID IT
How long would I have to wait after the 2 lose streak? Cuz if I just started and lose 2 games it’d suck if that’s it for the rest of the day
@@Coach_Shotty same brother
I usually waited an hour or two
@@Coach_Shotty thanks for this ingo i was crying in unwinnable lobbies wondering what the actual like the dropoff is insane .......has no place in a "ranked" mode very manipulative
It’s a free game, and when you get anything for free, you’re not the buyer, you’re the product
Only if you buy skins, but otherwise really no. The skin-buyers then are paying for the free players.
Facts 😂
@@gargaduk Besides buying skins, you are giving something much more valuable, your lifetime. In all the "free to play" games, only a very small percentage are buying skins, most of the players are giving their lifetime so that those buying skins have people playing the game together.
Knowing that before you even join a game, that the outcome is basically determined just makes me not want to play
As soon as I see the picks on my team, I can tell this gonna be stomp
Dang so the outcome was pre determined for me to get a 83% win rate on starlord and climb from bronze to diamond with only a few random losses.
It's really funny that that is the natural outcome. Makes someone WANT to turn off the game so they can get rewarded later by coming back.
Not rlly. I saw a guy with 92% winrate he only lost 3 games from silver to like high diamond or sum
I can't believe they predetermined me all the way to diamond. Now that I think about it that's probably why I can't stay in gm. It's not that my skill is diamond it's just that the game is rigged against me personally. It's all making sense now
Me and my buddy have it figured out too. The game wants you to be at a 50% win ratio. If I que with my buddy and we win 3 games in a row we either get off or keep playing till we lose. If we lose the next one we get off with a 3-1 or 75% win rate for the day. Let’s say we do this 3 nights a week. That ends up being a total of 9-3 which is a good record for 12 games played. My other friend played and went 1-6. But he kept playing and ended as 6-6. He played 2 more games and went 7-7 total for the day. Forced 50% win ratio.
I don't think you are looking at it correctly. Rivals wants each game to be a 50-50 shot or as close to that as possible for each side to win. That's just fair matchmaking. People say "forced 50 percent win rate" if that was true, then no one would be able to reach top 500 because they would all be capped at a 50% win rate. The more games you win, the higher your elo and mmr will be, the higher elo your allies and enemies will be. If you can't perform in that elo, you will lose and drop back to an elo that you an perform in. 50% win rate means that you have stagnated in your skill level and you need to find out where to improve to break the next plateau.
Pinned and liked for what in reality? Nothing. Hollow. Quite telling, tbh. My friend & I had X, our other friend had Y. Pure facts. System exposed. Beyond pathetically laughable.
If you can tie skins to wins, you can prove the game is indeed pay to win
Of course it is like that, like in any other game.
If you lose, you rank down and get easier enemies, if you win you get harder enemies. Therefore win rate will be about 50%. It's impossible to have a win rate that is much higher than 50%, except if you're by far the best player in the game. Otherwise, there's always someone better than you, who you will be matched against.
Also, every match needs to have a loser, not all players can win all the time.
This is just kinda confirmation bias though. I didn't start getting around 50 percent win rate until I got around diamond which is probably about my skill level. If you're winning 50% consistently that's just your rank
I got to Gold 1 and will go higher with one strat: only go in ranked if you feel good and stop after one or two loses. After 1 or 2 hours i come back and win again
Now this and splatoon3 are the only games i played ranked with passion and not just for skins
Yo wanna party, I'm gold 1 Venom in asia pacific.
I disable their rear and immediately help our rear.
I find myself not being enough as either my dps or healers often failed to be a lil bit above average in play, often being gullible in awareness
Damn, your a splatoo player too? My fav is srbdude and prochara and chase
Dude im 3 mins in and you are explaining my last night to a T. Lost like 10 in a row just wanted to go until i won, sent my buddy a snap crashing out and then next game had the most absolutely unsatisfying easy win of my life. Makes me feel insane
This type of matchmaking is the reason that apex died, well besides the horrible money practices ea implemented. I remember feeling like 'Wait why are my teamates so bad, I just got into plat one/diamond'. and later I found out that Apex used a matchmaking system that matches everything in this video.
This is modern gaming. This is Fortnite, this is COD, this is Warzone, this is R6 Siege, this is Apex, this is Halo, this is definitely Overwatch
Every single major game with a "competitive" playlist has been doing this for years and years. The kicker is they've been doing it in arcade/social/casual playlists too.
I made a video about the history and creation of all these modern systems, too.
Its crazy i am still having to teach people about these systems 15+ years later. These fundamentals should be well-known especially when they added sbmm and eomm algos in.
What's worst is all the huge content creators and "pros" that have advocated for and defended these horrible systems for over a decade because their livelihoods depend entirely on big daddy developer seeing them put out nothing but positive spin and lie to defend company decisions that ruin all our matchmaking experiences.
There is just NO WAY nobody has the capacity to develop better and more consistently-accurate matchmakers.
I know what the most modern AI can do, there is no way we cannot train a model to gauge skill very effectively and stop using modified elo chess systems in multipleyer team games.
This is incorrect. The research paper that was the so-called "proof" in the original video says nothing about winning streaks, forced loser queues, or rigging games. It just describes a mechanism for optimizing player satisfaction based on hero picks, player skill, and team comps. Basically an insanely juiced-up version of elo in chess.
There is not even evidence Rivals implements the mechanisms in that paper. This video and the source video are making things up without understanding the "proof" they're citing.
…plenty of papers and patents on this don’t be so naive buddy :)
I knew a comment like this would happen and while yes there is no way of 10000% knowing this is true. But its very likely and from a business standpoint why would they not implement something like this? Also as for it "not talking about win streaks" that's just not true
@@Coach_Shotty I think the issue is that it seems like you are speculating while also titling the video, "Marvel Rivals Matchmaking is RIGGED (With Proof)". OP is correctly stating that the paper does not contain a lot of points you bring up in this video. For example, what parts of the paper or sources make you believe the skin thing is real? I'm genuinely curious.
hmm, 'proof' is the keyword. Title is saying its clearn and granted.
Sounds kind of insane to think they spent all of this time on this advances matchmaking system when the issue could be solved with role queue. Obviously they are not just trying to get you a good team. If you think that I believe you are naive as to how these companies think
As soon as you get a team wipe Ult, the bots auto target you to respawn you out of the team fight. Healers are helpless to save you when this happens. Sucks.
Lmfao
What?
As a data analyst, I can say with confidence that his video is flawed. Take it all with a grain of salt. One example, he says you can fail till grandmaster with Chronoshield. Chronoshield ends after gold. You have to get through Plat and Diamond without it. Lots more info that's not great.
I have Chronoshield in platinum but I don’t understand what he or you are saying
The video it's taking from is even worse. The guy doesn't know how to read mathematical papers, and he expects to be taken seriously.
This whole discussion is just people coping with being gold players. In our heads we are all eternal players so it must be the matchmaking that is rigged against us. For some reason against all of us at the same time, sich should not even be possible but here we are.
I need to stop after a couple losses. I’ll play for hours, lose for an hour and still keep playing.
Does the algorithm reset if you go from ranked to quickplay?
THIS MAKES SO MUCH SENSE I WAS ON A 4 WIN STREAK LAST NIGHT AND 1 AWAY FROM CELEST AND GOT 2 SHITTERS. AVOIDED THEM BOTH AND THEY BOTH WERE ON MY TEAM AGAIN
Yeah the option to avoid playing with people for a few days doesn't seem to work lmao
if you queued before avoiding them, then u have to restart the que for it to take effect.
I was playing my GM rank up game and it legit felt like I had Golds on my team. I was playing as Mag and ended 14-7 with 7 final hits while everyone else on my team went negative or even with one guy having 3 final hits as the 2nd highest on the team.
finally this is getting more exposure and making the rounds
Remember back in the day when there were no ranking systems? You just got into games with random blokes and played away. Sometimes you got noobs, sometimes you got "pros" in your team or opposing team, but at the end of the day it was all about having fun and doing your best. Now gaming is all about who sweats the most, there is no more fun. Just gotta grind that rank and you can't even escape it in quickplay because of hidden mmr etc. Comp. games have become a slog of a chorefest. Thank god there are still games like planetside or coop games. Much more fun, no sweatting.
Left cod for these reasons and here it is in full force again.
Stop making excuses for why youre not that good at a game.
@@LeoJinx01 good at which game? i can asure you its not cod lol
@@DTOWNRW16 rivals or cod. Stop making excuses
@@LeoJinx01 top 100 wsow last year and iridescent every ranked season. but yea im just bad at the game lol
@@LeoJinx01the thing is… it is true. Yes skill can get you but once you hit your ceiling weather that’s gm celestial bronze silver plat diamond etc the game is rigged it’s been in matchmaking for years now. Some call it EOMM but Yh it’s defo in
Man, this was something i s
Needed to hear today, i went on a huge loss streak and kept playing which is a mb
I 💯 believe there are bots in ranked matches, the amount of games I've had where people spawn and run straight in without a word typed, is just too many, while the enemy is completely grouped up. On a .5 second queue time no less 😒 at least give the usual 2min queue so it's believable.
Me getting cooked by a Bucky who had the new skin and MVP highlight video yesterday: "that was kinda clean".
So fckn true. Happened to me yesterday
As a Former OG OW Player I get why yall get this feeling, but this is literally EVRY ranked based game that exists out there. When you hit the rank you are supposed to be at that moment, you’ll get a 50ish percent win rate and it gets harder to get out. Me and my friend are “stuck” at the very bottom of diamond and yes sometimes it’s us getting smoked mercilessly and sometimes it’s us smoking the enemies. You also have your fair share of close and exciting games.
Problem is, COD has fried our brains so much that we think about SBMM as a fundamentally horrible thing, but guys, we ARE playing ranked. We WANT to play people that are on pure level. If you don’t, than go play casual
It is 1000% rigged. I tried it myself. I didn't play for 2 days deliberately and just few hours ago when I played I got god team mates and enemies who were like bots for 2 games. The third game was a very close game although we lost it was a good game, next game Inwon again and the 4th game again a close game that I lost. I didn't play after that and taking a 2 hour break. Note : Whenever you LOSE a close skilled game stop playing immediately because then the mm will put you in a team worse than your skill. But whenever you WIN a close game keep queueing
It’s definitely noticeable that they rig things in my opinion.
Whenever I played ranked I would win a ton of games but then when it came to the final game to rank up I would lose it WITHOUT fail. No matter what I did or who my teammates were.
And I also know the feeling about playing with bad teammates. I swear some of them are Neanderthals that have NEVER touched a controller before lmao it’s so bad.
I must be getting all the bad half of the rigging because it feels like i'm the one with the braindead paraplegic chimps on unicycles on my team every single damn game no matter when i play or how well i play
Same. I probably play too much. Time to stop, I guess.
Gonna be real with you dude... you're probably the problem. You know that saying "If everyone around you is an asshole, you're probably the asshole"? Same shit. If you feel like everyone in your games is dogshit, take a look at what you're doing. The only common denominator between all these games is you.
@@Lucifaar that's not always the case though sometimes the other teams you are going up against are just better or they have a few squads together something like that.
@echo8168 Yeah that's why I said "probably" the problem. I obviously don't know the details of his games, but without any more context, that is the most reasonable conclusion. In my experience almost everyone who says "my team is always shit" won't admit they might be the reason why they're losing. If you have 10 games, it's very unlikely that you will have garbage teams in all of them.
@@Lucifaar that's what I mean though you might not have garbage teammates the other team might just be that good. I do agree with that too though, most people who do take it out on the "team" every game don't think I can be themselves so it's probably not the team in that situation.
I tested this myself, and knew 100% that is what is happening in my case. When I saw the paper I just got vindicated. I love that as time passes I can trust my gut feelings and rationalle.
Foreal tho
THIS will be the Achillis of Rivals. Unbalanced? sure, trip strat? we ban. But when you disrespect our time THAT will be the beginning of the end.
It’s sad because the game is fun but this might actually tank the game more n the long run.
Yea this is definitely a thing. Took a break for a couple of days, and I went on an 8 game win streak to get from gold 3 to plat 3 all mvp games. Then i had 3 matches in a row where I was the only one with KOs. Had people on the other team calling me a smurf because i slapped them around with spiderman. Think one game i had like 14kos and the rest of me team had 1 or 2 lmao
The other thing I’ve noticed about the match making is that out of all the hero’s, they seem to know what people are going to pick. What I mean is that teams will pick mostly the same hero’s as their opposition despite not communicating. The odds on a supposedly random selection like that are extremely weird for how much it seems to happen.
2:42 that was such a cute laugh you made me finish early
What does he mean by that
Keep up the good work brother.
Went on 6 game lose streak a week ago, went and played Rust for a week… once I got back on I got some of the best teams and had 3 clean rank ups.
EOMM is the death of modern gaming. It’s so painfully obvious in game which is what makes it not work as intended. EOMM only works when the player base doesn’t know they are being manipulated. Modern games crank it so hard that we all feel it and it has the opposite effect making us play less.
The biggest problem with this 'coming out' is that people will start blaming the system, not themself for loosing.
At the end of the day, its still you who loses. If you start blaming the system and stop looking at your own play, you wont improve, making you even more hardstuck causing you to blame the system even more.
Indefinet cycle pretty much
That is true but if AI puts 3 bots on your team it's basically impossible to win
I wouldn't mind this so much if it wasn't for the fact that every single time the game decides I've won too many times, I get totally stomped. It feels fucking awful. If its time for me to lose, at least let me have a goddamn chance at winning. It's like "oh you're feeling good about yourself cause of your wins? Haha fuck you here's a top 500 team to fight against". At least give me a somewhat even matchup for my losing game.
❤ luv ur vids!!
Always a good day when shotty uploads
I swear it's almost like if the game wants you to lose on purpose, you win 3 times, then you get destroyed multiple times even if you have a really good team.
None of this is proven and he talk as if he does and in the wide variety there aren’t these type of ques in the higher elo with AI bots and whatever you’ll see some of the same people over again
Funny how in rank up games my teammates are on losing streaks 😭
I noticed this day 1. I don't how some people missed this.
Hidden MMR is the bane of my ranked existence. It’s really not so bad by itself but combining it with rank resetting at the start of the season makes it such a slog. It should be like the old days, where genuine low ranks had to wait a couple days for the sweats to grind back up to where they belong. Visible rank should be all that matters. F being “plat level” while my real rank says bronze and facing other fake bronzes. I might only do one season on this game
I’m in platinum and I spent a day playing with my bronze friend and we lost almost every game, but it’s cool I was playing with him for fun. Now all my lobbies are stone rank when I solo q.
That’s crazy I have noticed whenever I go on lose streaks everyone in games don’t feel the same rank. Glad to see it was somewhat validated lol
It hasn’t felt rigged for me because I don’t go on many losing streaks. I just get off after a win streak is broken with 2 straight losses.
This proprietary algorithms is in most every AAA game however the chinese is more transparent than western gaming companies.
I saw another comment saying something about hitboxes. There some days im aware my aim is a bit off and i take accountability for it. But i swear theres some matches where like i know i should be friggin hitting them. From the other perspective though and its only certain charactersive noticed.WHen watching kill cams, black widow, hawkeye, pretty much all the gun characters specifically it looks like none of their shots should be landing. Ill watch the kill cam and they werent anywhere near my body. I know hawkeye has the ult u can shoot the body traces. Just standard shooting, looking at the kill cam there is no way that shot shouldve landed
That’s how I feel about Mr incredible. I’ve seen so many kill cams from after he kills me where his crosshair is literally a whole foot away from my character and I’m still getting hit. I know you gotta aim off to the side of the enemy to hit them but I’m talking like if you put 3-4 other models of my character side by side, his attacks are that far away still hitting me but I gotta have like microscopic precision to hit some of these characters
@@Gu3ssWhatsN3XTMr fantastic's arm can swing though, i.e. when is stretched he can move the crosshair past you to hit you. Or you genuinely seeing hits when there was no contact ever?
Not specifically to this video but you give me the impression you’ve listened/watched a lot of Alex Hormozi content! Good luck with everything bro! Your content is top tier and I hope your Metafy coaching does numbers for you 🙏🏽
Also! Make sure you encourage reviews for your coaching (I’m sure you would have done that anyway) testimonials will help a lot! 🙏🏽
As someone that has my main in GM (19 hours) and my alt, Diamond 2 (11 hours)
My main gains 26-32
loses 15-20
My alt however
Gains 35-50
loses 10-15, 20 if i did absolute DOG
Most games are like this, and it makes sense. I just play til i lose then get off
For the skin thing, if you look bad ass, you feel bad ass. If you feel bad ass, you might play better.
Do you feel Bonita?
I noticed that even tho there are no role lock, the comp is almost aways balanced. And there is no hesitation, like those players were gonna choose that champion regardless of other players. So I say that match making also organizes team comp.
On the skin thing, I wouldn't really describe it as a cool thing if it's stastically favouring matches just for people with those😭
Tbh I feel like this was very obvious, I always get a good game and if I do good I’ll get a very difficult game, but the part that doesn’t make me not want to play is that the game is genuinely just fun to play whether I lose or win
7 losses in a row, 1 won, then another 2 losses. This matchmaking is cancerous
The only reason I don't believe most of these matchmaking filters...
The queue times. It seems like there's no filter at all, even in upper GM, it's often like 2-5 second queue. Sometimes there isn't even a queue timer. Lmao.
Servers can compute that shtuff in a fraction of a second.
Brother do you understand anything about computers?
@@ikisssheep9625 , homie, I don't give a fuck about the computer, it still needs people with all those parameters to hit the queue button. LOL. I wasn't saying computers were slow, I was saying the chances that there are 5 other people with ALLL those parameters AND being the same rank as me queuing at the EXACT same time as me is impossible to be so consistent.
@@jacobelsea3595 lil bro first of all high rank games are 10-15 min queues. Second of all there are 40million players. Third of all not everyone gets those super quick queues always maybe just maybe the insta queues are just when you’re the last one required for a game to start 😱
@ikisssheep9625 , top 500 queues in any game are always long. Overwatch top ranked queues can be 40-60 minutes. Lmao.
Statistically, it's just about impossible that I'm the last person needed every single time I press the queue button for hundreds of hours worth of games.
There are also definitely not 40-million players in GM 2, so that statement is incredibly fuckin' stupid. Not even close to 40-million players, especially just on my platform, online at once.
I am on a seven game Mantis SVP streak. In six of the seven matches, i had at least one person on my team leave. Soloq on console is so annoying ive genuinely given up. I cannot get out of BRONZE. It is a sandtrap of dps instalocks who will immediately throw if they dont get their way.
You will get absolute apes telling you that stats and numbers don't matter while the completely ignore the fact that the Devs themselves track those exact numbers to determine player performance and point gains. I'm done with this community. They are so spineless and complacent they just aren't going to get it.
I dont doubt this one bit, i come from the cod community and thats exactly how their matchmaking system works. But the matchmaking algorithm is so strong that its literally been killing the cod franchise for 3-4 years now
ranked mode is so busted that bot like people are getting to grand master
>rigged with proof
Me waiting on the proof: 💀
Agree I used to go off line in mobile game to make my “luck” great in the game and ppl called me crazy😅
Yea it’s so cool how people are manipulated constantly by every company
But I hate quitting on a lose😢
It does feel like the enemy team is AI sometimes, like suddenly turning 180 and pinpoint shooting me in the air 50 yards away
i pushed myself after a win streak and said 3 losses and leave. now im like ok first loss get off
Bro said he would show down, but he just keeps going 💪 Love to see it.
i, ranked myself to diamond. And from that day, I have never ever again had a game in quick play where getting to play against players that are weaker than me. I sacrificed my joy to play tanks and healers so that my team could prevail in ranked games and guess what, I will never get to play the dps characters anymore because I don’t even get a chance to try out and learn them, not even in quick plays. And what is worse is that even if I swap to an alt account, the system recognizes me some how, and I will be matched with either a Smurf who is just playing their mains on a low level account or a bunch of fking lvl 45 diamond players. So, my advice is, do not even touch ranked game, the moment you try to prove yourself, you can say bye to the happy and joy.
So if you are wondering where the hell are the tank players, the answer is simple, we quit.
I’ve had a bunch of games in quick play where I’ll either be stuck with healer, which I don’t mind, I’m a healer main, but even I sometimes want to play a dps, and I’ll end up with people locking in 3-4 dps and a healer and I’m just sitting there like “nah, I’m done ranking and healing, I’m picking a dps. Don’t like it? Too bad” and just play whatever I want
That's a huge problem, because if that is true, teams with a Venom wearing that skin have more chances to win, statistically speaking.
Are you going to do anything for console players?
I’d love to do coaching with you but I play on ps5 and xbox.
Bronce and Silver I was getting more loose streaks than in Gold or Platin now. I usually play only 3-5 ranked matches currently which gave me a constant climb. Yesterday I only did 3 matches and only gained 5 points but it was a gain as well.
About Bots in Ranked .. well Ive seen healers trying to heal THROUGH walls ... in a ranked.
6:00 is this part a joke? Sorry if being stupid but how is that “cool” in any way? It’s blatantly anti-consumer and pay to win. It’s part of the reason I’ll never buy any micro-transaction in any game ever. What r u talking abt?
How is a skin pay to win?
@ he quite literally explained in the video that the matchmaking would favor people with skins in order to convince the losing team that the skins make any difference and to entice them
Yup. It’s in ranked! They have aim bot and dodge you through walls and hit you through walls. They do auto crits. It’s nuttz! Super cheesy. 😢
Interesting how there was nothing but denial to all of this in Overwatch but now the videos are coming out left and right associating with Rivals
Overwatch is ass
People will deny it no matter what because if they accept the truth it reflects poorly on their worldview and their perception of this game. They would rather die with the lie no matter how much information comes out.
Got it, if I lose I quit for a day and then back for my 5 win streak. Repeat for success 😂
Since s1 started. I adopted the rule of getting off after 2 losses on in a row/ end on a loss. I shot up from silver to diamond
Love the videos but I’m recognizing this gameplay 😭 add some new stuff! (Ik ur supposed to not watch but I like watching)
Lol I was actually just recording some today
I’m not good but the amount of times I’ve been matched with teams where mine seems like they are learning the characters whereas my enemies know what they’re doing is insane, how is that even possible this matchmaking doesn’t make sense to me
I stop playing after the second loss following my 5-6 win streak. I start with a win streak again the next day and stop after the second loss, especially if it's gonna be the rank up match (99/100 🙄) bc it will often put with bad players to not reach the next rank and keep grinding
When I tilt queue to finally get that win, I go on long losing streaks where I outperfom the rest of my team, that was before I knew this game had EOMM
I'm good at hero shooters (played overwatch for years and was Diamond 1-2) but I noticed that sometimes I get matched with teammates that are not on my skill level in Marvel Rivals, they are dumber than bots.
EOMM is fucked up. I have no real power over my wins & losses but an Algorithm deciding if it's my turn to steamroll or get steamrolled
Glad to hear this I hit GM solo queue then ended up losing it. I’ve been trying to grind back to it, my teammates are great all the way til my rank up game then my rank up game I get team with no comms no nothing against players who just slam my whole team..
Almost ranked up a couple days duo with my friend trying to get him to gold 1 and me to play 3 we win first out of 3 just to choke the entire game no one does it’s together nothing. It was so sad been hard stuck ever since.
This right here brother. I've had my rank up game for GM 6 times now and I've lost all 6. Every one of those games felt unwinnable form the start and you could tell it was a massive team diff. I've even had a few of them be completely imbalanced rank wise where the other team had 4 GMs and we only had 2.
Just like OW, you can predict many games before they start.
True, if I get off a loss I'd never play
I feel like this isn't anything new for matchmaking in competitive team games it's always trying to keep you at a 50% win rate.
I also lost 7 in a row then won 7 in a row so i have no idea how this game works
Just gonna say, that if anyone sees a skin after someone's play of the game or the equivalent of that and immediately rushes to the store to spend money for the skin without even considering whether or not they actually play the character, or if they are even good with the character, that person is a huge problem and also a dumbass.
I'd assume most of them wouldn't be so quick and blatant. More like you see that Magik skin looks cool when the enemy stomps you and now you think it looks cool (and skilled). Then later you decide to play that character because they are always a menace. You play them and figure why not get the cool skin. Meanwhile without this setup a good amount of people (me) would never look at the store for all the skins.
releasing this after awkward goes 36-0 is crazy to me idk . every match is winnable
I have had similar results and I agree with you but one note that I forgot to mention is that smurfing “ruins” this system and that’s also why they deemed smurfing as “malicious behavior” because it messes with their system
Awkward is a professional gamer of course he can bypass the EOMM. This video pertains to people who don't earn a living competitively playing or coaching video games. "Any game is winnable for awkward." Not for silver 1 Peter lol.
People smurfing in premades is not a valid argument my guy
Yeah and I think ranked has ai names that aren't obvious like quickplay
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To say this game has rigged matchmaking is really a disservice to the game they made
Coming from cod, where ranked or pubs it takes minutes to find a match after queue because it is rigging your matches
Compared to something like apex, where the sbmm exists but is a lot looser and you can find matches a lot quicker, about within 30 seconds
To this where if your in quick play you find a match within 1 second, it is very clear, they might have these factors in the game, but are adamant about keeping pubs random and connection based
Which would be the very opposite of what you’ve said in this video
Ranked, is its own thing, and in ranked they can’t rig matches the way you might think, depending on the rank. But the higher you going rank, The harder it is to rig because the better and better players get
Willl you still get bad teammates at mid to high elo, yes, but that’s true for every game, doesn’t mean the match making is rigged
2:53
My team: hey guys first time playing magneto
Enemy team: chat thank you for the 100 gifted subs
This algorithm is going to kill this game just like how it killed COD. If people find out about this there will be uproar
A smurf is when you have already placed high on another account then making a new one to beat on newbies that's it.
I played ranked for the first time yesterday after starting the game a few weeks ago.
Went from bronze to plat after around 40ish games and noticed what you mentioned.
Whenever I would win 5 games in a row they would make the 6th game near impossible to win. They would group me with 1-2 people that have sub 40% wintate while the enemy team all had positive wr. (I found this out by checking everyone's player profiles after each game)
This would usually happen for 2 games until they put me into a normal game again.
Sometimes I win those near impossible games but the next one becomes more impossible. And this would keep escalating until I eventually lose.
I do believe there's a system that tries to force a balanced wr on players. But i think it's doing it job right.
I wouldn't recommend trying to game the system, instead just focus on improving yourself as a player.
Plus, the rigged games are actually way more fun than the normal ones. You actually get the opportunity to make some crazy game-winning clutch plays. Even some of the games I lose were the most fun I had playing marvel rivals.
I used this method since Overwatch - here I can even do a 2 day break and then I get a single win and a bunch of loses. Ultimately I have a barely above 50% win rate, but it depends on the WEEK, not day over day. Hate those days where I don't even get bad players, but full on toxic "hey guys I'm tilted I'm gonna troll and I don't care about the reports" types of people. Sometimes 3 games in a row(I don't quit after 2, I just play 3 games and if I win one I quit after the first 2 losses)
This explains why i lose more with bro, he's a rank higher than me
smurfin btw is very specifically having an alternate account thats ranked lower than your primary for ex. a diamond main playing on a silver alt with there friends are clearly gonna dominate that lobby....that is "smurfing"
i really like this guy 👍👍