A $100,000 proven ocean racing sailboat for $39,000?!?!? There's a catch, right?!?!? EP 2 {{SOLD}}
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ย. 2020
- Captain Q visits Harpswell, Maine to check out why this amazing boat, A Frers & Cibilis (F&C) 44, with a proven track record as an open ocean racing winner, is on the market for 60% off!?!? What's the catch? Is it seaworthy? Is it as impressive in person?
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Interested? Contact the selling broker:
Annie Gray, Gray & Gray Yachts
www.grayandgrayyachts.com/
+1.207-363-7997
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As an old British diesel mech I would not necessarily be too scared of the Perkins. Worked on many over the years and they are pretty good and reliable if you treat 'em right. Also, very simple, and I like simple. Beautiful yacht and another great video. I recently 'discovered' your channel and am thoroughly enjoying catching up. Thanks.
Thanks for the info
Lots of work, lots of systems updating, the soft looking deck/hull seam needs immediate attention. Someone with a little time, $$, and skill would have a serious treasure here.
I think that everyone is underestimating the cost to bring this back to a high level. Even if you are knowledgeable enough, and have sufficient time to invest, the upgrade in electronics, new sails, required rigging replacements, deck repair, engine, interior upgrades, glass repair work on hull...
I would guess 100K USD at a minimum. Maybe closer to $150,000???
I suppose it depends on current condition. 10:41 wet wood near the deck joint is not encouraging.
So is it worth 190K to go sailing?
Personally I'd pull up the teak and paint. Fair point about the other stuff but you would not have to do it all in the first year.
OUTSTANDING! A boat walk-thru with you Captain Q is a real treat!
I'm from Argentina and sailed one of these from Punta to BA in the late 80s. Awesome boat, beautifully built and sails incredibly well.
Germán Frers never designed an ugly boat, nor a slow or poorly sailing boat. This is why he is #1.
One of my favorite looks - navy with white cabin and teak decks. Teak decks are like Sirens, beautiful and alluring but a problem later. Just discovered your channel and enjoying your tours thoroughly.
It's such a lovely, classic look. Our favorite as well!! The call of the Siren teak deck is quite accurate.😂 We've been looking at some synthetic Sirens... and so far, we like what we see!!
Plastic teak is better.
Love the knowledge share you give to each boat. Subscribed and binge watching you channel. I’m retiring in 4 years and started to learn about sailing for what I hope will be the next chapter.
This would be a great boat to have. Even with the issues that were pointed out, with a complete deck redo, that added cost would still get you a boat that could never be duplicated for investment.
I think there is a good reason why she is not for sale for a $100,000, and depending on that engine I am not sure she is even worth the $39,000. I am really concerned with how much water damage from that teak deck, and have lots of questions about that engine, because if the engine isn't good then there is no way they will get $39,000 out of her. The Teak issues should have been dealt with sooner, and I am just not sure about that engine the way it was stated.
Nope. she might be "worth" 39 k to her owner, but I would doubt any market value above 20 k after what Capt'n Q showed us, and those 20 k are with a variety of absolute orderly, maintained sails and a complete orderly rigging with no flaws/work-to-do whatsoever. Add 10 grand for a decent used engine You partly overhaul Yourself before changing, (or a really thorough, pro-rebuild of the old iron) and another 10 grand for a rip-off-teak job and a relamination/rebuild of the deck (with a lot of Your own work uncharged), and You get towards those 40 grand before upgrading/modernizing anything, be it watermaking, be it solar/wind generation, self/windsteering or servicing anything from windlass to winches to steering to centerboard. She is a beauty, but in her current state a "high maintenance" beauty, as beauties usually are.
@@manfredschmalbach9023 I have seen boats like this go for less than $10k or less. These are good boats made for racing and garbage for boating. That interior is TINY for length! I have seen worse interiors, but those teak decks/rails have got to go and the engine can probably be rebuilt, but will be your elbow grease(I have done it). If anyone pays over $15k they are buying with their heart and not brain, oh yes, get rid of that dark color on hull. That makes interior horrifically hot. Now add rudder rebuilding problems...
@@w8stral Yes. I have seen boats (in plurale) like this go for the proverbial Euro to render it a deal, not a scrapping, and You can usually wait for that moment when the owning people, aging and fighting with health problems (or clueless heirs with no interest whatsoever, for that matter), understand that it is time to pass it on to someone for a song just to make sure it won't be slaughtered and scrapped. However, waiting for a couple more years isn't the way to go for most people wanting to go sailing *_now_* , which gives it a sort of market value.
@@manfredschmalbach9023 Then this boat is certainly NOT for GO SAILING NOW! No engine/rigging and leaking... Weekend sailor... ok, but if you are weekend sailor, get one off Ebay for $1500 or less.
@@w8stral Me, I used to go sailing for free on customer's boats before quitting boatbuilding. Just when I was about to make an astonishingly cheap deal (more than one Euro though) on a singlehander's boat for myself last spring, which got stuck in a cheap wages country after the original owner unexpectedly passed away seeing family in Europe, Covid shat in my cup really good .... so You can never, *_never_* say what comes next. The "go Craigs List today, go sailing tomorrow" kinda approach is maybe the best thing to do - as long as You don't plan to sail on a liveaboard longterm, of course.
So many beautiful boats, only one life to life!
Captain, just found your channel and enjoyed your knowledge and presentation. I too appreciate the head turning beauty of classics that newer vessels miss completely.
Welcome aboard! and glad to hear your thoughts
Can you video some nice Motorsailers with enclosed Helms/Pilothouses? Even in 50-60 degree F days sailing, the enclosed Helm looks so much more comfortable. You're out of the wind, out of the sun, out of the weather...
Thanks for posting and sharing. Nice boat.
Love the boat and would consider her but would definitely want to negotiate on the price (I know it's already sold). There is still a lot we do not know, condition of sails, rigging, plumbing, etc. This boat would definitely be worth taking a closer look. All repairs do not need to be made right away. You repair what needs to be done to sail and enjoy the boat, while planning for the higher cost repairs down the road. I really like your video's Captain Q. Keep up the good work!
For a costal boat she is a timeless classic, She is too antiquated in design to make for a world cruiser, interior and many subtle issues in design. A new motor and decking, standing rigging, sails, electronics will take a $40k boat into a $110k boat quickly if you have to pay someone to refit it. I’ve owned sailboats for 40 years, along with classic cars. Rating a commodity past 10 is very unusual, but it is done. It is a gorgeous piece of history, stunning in design for its time. And I’m sure it sails fantastic, but the cabin could also stand upgrading.
While the boat in historical design may be a 10, presently it shows as a 6. Thank you for a great showing of a classic.
My ratings are somewhat tongue in cheek because i do love all boats to a ten level as long as they float and not turned into geranium lawn ornaments ...anything over a ten simply reflects my own additional adrenalin rising at the thought of ownership of any one of them lol
Teak decks are such a double edged sword, beautiful to look at, great when wet underway, but if they've been screwed to a cored deck......leaky teaky. This is such a bugbear on older boats, I absolutely love the look and feel of a teak deck, but it's also been the deal breaker on a Crealock Cabo Rico, two Perry Tayanas, a Perry Cheoy Lee and a Young Sun that I've looked at, amongst others, if only all the above-mentioned had taken a leaf out of the Swedish brands book (Hallberg Rassy/Najad/Malo/Fergus/Sweden yachts) all have always done teak decks, older boats have a far smaller chance of major deck core water ingress and for decades now they've been epoxy glued not screwed, and the results speak for themselves,
It's ironic that when looking at a boat that is traditionally teak decked almost all the brokers first comments are along the lines of "teak decks removed, epoxy filled, relaminated, faired and painted with a non skid surface" almost without exception. And this boat is no exception, clearly suffering from water ingress, I also didn't like the look of the winch mounting, no epoxied stainless steel backing plate and what is up with the 6 odd washers on one clearly too long bolt, that's not on. This boat has issues that have been hidden behind a glossy veneer, lots of water damage to cabin sole, bulkheads and deck.
Noooooo thank you, funny setup with the aft cabin and two companionways, reminds me of Nautor Swan racing boats.
Much as I like German Frers designs this is not my kind of boat, summary, nice from far but far from nice. Anybody who has sailed relatively long offshore passages and done numerous watches isn't going to appreciate sleeping with the donk right next to you for obvious reasons.
Na, poorly laid out and in desperate need of TLC
exactly, this guy makes too much light of the deck issues. no way it can be used without removing all the deck, and who knows what youll find, likely all rotten core
you have owned some fine boats 👍
@@sp10sn I wish I had owned them, I had every intention of purchasing these boats but the deck and core issues were the deal breaker, I backed out of every one based on my own knowledge and the advice of surveyors. I am still looking at all the above boats, minus the leaky teaky
@@hthring agreed, I could see from the video that the deck has had water intrusion and this is further confirmed by the visible bulkhead and cabin sole water marks and damage, most likely the deck coring has suffered damage and will need to be cut out, new end grain balsa/ply core epoxied and relaminated, plus all old screw holes opened, countersunk both sides and filled with thickened epoxy in areas of salvageable core. Then the process of relaminating the deck, sanding, fairing, sanding, epoxy primer, sanding, either gellcoat or epoxy paint, sand, non skid. One hell of a project.
@@jonnorousseau3096 Thank you, J.R.! I recommend readers DO NOT underestimate the scale of this project!
Would need to know the condition of the standing rigging, the wiring and plumbing and a diesel mechanics opinion of the engine. It’s a lovely head turner of a vessel, but one could wind up putting a ton of money into her if not careful. Must say that you give the best boat tours of anyone in person or on the internet. I always learn by listening to you. Carry on capn
Thanks so much! Totally agree that this beauty had some potential pitfalls. One thing we kept saying to each other was that this boat raced the Newport->Bermuda race in 2018 - which means she passed a very stringent set of inspections - so we know the basics were likely to be solid (sails, rigging, electrical, plumbing) The deck and the engine are definitely the big unknowns... although some new synthetic deck options could be a nice, inexpensive option... and I would be willing to be the engine would be 👍. Thanks for the kind words!!
That deck reminded my of my first ship in the Navy. It was built in 1942, every topside deck was teak and about every three months we had to holy stone the decks and swab it with citric acid. The sun and the acid turned the teak white and it was beautiful for about a month, then started getting dingy again. Teak decks are amazing and easy to maintain when your young, but that's a little too much work for me at my age.
Young salt here, been looking for my next boat for years now and haven’t been able to determine the qualifications and design parameters best suited to my needs. Glad I found this channel, subscribed!
Good luck! and thanks for your note
I agree. Those decks are worthy. Gorgeous.
Yes. A true appreciator
Looks fabulous and a great project for DIY
A beautiful boat. The teak decks, rough looking engine and water intrusions marks make it a risk only the brave and well heeled could take and that includes fixing the problems yourself.
Such a lovely boat with lots of potential. When I was younger I was part of a Sea Scout Ship that would have enjoyed restoring her. In fact our engine gang as they called themselves are now all MK's, DC's and a BM in the military would been excited just to work on her.
Just found your channel. Enjoy what you are doing. I would really enjoy watching you go over some old wood boats in the 28-35 for single handing blue water.
Will do
Yup, my female first mate always said, "its always the wood maintenance that drive you crazy"
That boat looks awesome.
Awesome videos keep them coming
I love the seafoam bottom paint.
This was my dream boat when they first came out. Had a $$$ problem and waited 20 years to buy a neglected one in Rhodes Island. Was formerly owned by the commodore of Royal Bermuda Yacht Club. Called Quest of Pajet. We lived aboard and cruised many thousands of miles on her. And worked and worked at the restoration along the way. She was very comfortable at sea and quiet below, a bit wet in the cockpit. We allowed unlimited swearing for 1 minute whenever a wave filled the cockpit. Our son learnt some disgusting words. Coming from Australia you can only imagine. We spent 4 winters on the hard in Ventura Ca and even had to pay a tax on it to the County...... well, they wanted it but we sailed away. Happy days on this boat but they had built in issues. Another problem are the chainplates being embedded in the hull. They rust and expand and create bumps in the topsides. Be careful if you ever think of buying one. Most are not worth the work involved, a great shame. Best to take a photo and admire that.
Quest was sold by us in Texas and shipped to Melbourne Aust.
Thank you for the great tips on the construction! Would love to know what the expansive dictionary of terms might include… always looking to improve the vocab 😉
It would get deleted. Never seen these expressions on TH-cam. I learnt them in the 60's while tuna fishing out of Port Lincoln in South Australia. It was hard core, these people were wild, don't see them like that anymore, most died young.
Just listening to you makes me want to buy a boat )))
I agree with most of your assessment. I think you glossed over the condition of the engine . I new engine installed,prop shaft ect. Could be as high as 30k. I love the aesthetics !
Fair point... we'd have the full survey done for sure to see what the full status of the engine is. We kept remarking that she's just raced to Bermuda in 2018 so we'd both be optimistic that there was more life in the engine.... we'd also make sure to keep those fingers crossed. Cheers!
I have now watched several of his vidoes and he is very knowledgable about naming different aspects of boats, but: Capt: Q... must be an ex surveyor... His answer to everything is a "survey"... Of course anyone who has worked/been around old boats.... No one needs a survey of an ancient engine to know it is Garbage or about to die on you 10nm from the dock. No one needs a survey of an ancient teak deck to know it is garbage and impossible to fix without stripping everything. No one needs a survey of ancient rigging to know it needs 100% replacement. No one needs a survey to know all the system components(pluming/bathroom/kitchen/electrical) are garbage on old boats and must 100% be replaced as corrosion has killed them. This guy has never once owned an old boat, that much is obvious. If he has ever owned a boat they have all been brand new or nearly so.
Great boat, teak decks may have to go. Needs interior and electronic upgrades ? How are the sails ? Motor looks acceptable. A great pedigree and serious boat for the right person. Very saleable when it’s brought back to a great condition. Thanks captain Q for finding these gems !!!!
Thanks, I’ve always wondered about that red light. Even on the old military flash lights.
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@@YachtHunters they had red lenses, green, and blue
I'm really enjoying your videos and your practical approach. We're on the same page as far as beautiful classic lines of the old school designs such as S&S, Frers, Bill Tripp and you might recall Paul Kettenburg. I am on the west coast and grew up sailing back in the days of big bad Dennis Connor and Rod Davis from Coronado.
Thanks for making such great videos.
Thanks for the kind words.... you'll see in a few upcoming epsidoes more about my PB (perfect boat) which was a Tripp Sr. design. Cheers!
Roy Disney used to sail sistership to this boat. Shamrock. He also has an eye for beauty.
@@svamandolin3546 I believe she was for sale not that long ago (on the west coast)
one of my favourites for many years There is an F and C In the port in Spain near my house I have to have a walk and look at it almost everyday
ship shape they are tough to beat for sure thanks
Very happy I found you hoping to see much more Of the same
I absolutely love this boat!
The teak does concern me, but overall, such a beauty! My own approach would be to fix any leaks possible so the boat can be enjoyed teak and all, then eventually budget to remove the teak and go to a fiberglass deck. Now, if money is no object...I love teak!
Teak deck replacement you can use Gibco Flexmold as well
I am a do it yourself type of person.
I am also not afraid to get knee deep in things and find out that hey this is more than I thought!
However with that being said. I am also a "can do, and will try... when no one else will"... kind of man!!!
I would absolutely love to own this boat❤️
I would definitely take it out, spend the weekend on it... Then spend a week on it! Get familiar with her.. listen to the way she breaths.
Learn her ways and her attitude!
And then....
While we are learning each other...
I would share my plans with this beautiful ship, and let her know how much love and energy I am willing to give back to her!
Why?
Because we have a destiny and there's no room for weak spots or chipped paint in our future.
Yeah... I would Love this beauty ❤️
Ps. Some may say I am foolish for thinking these thoughts. But tell me what relationship doesn't take Love, hard work, give and take, time, money, blood, sweat, and tears.... And faith!! Faith that in the end.. it will all work out.
Yeah.. this beauty stirs me.
From Oklahoma USA ❤️
Truly admire and respect this show.
most boats will do that to you...even if you buy brand new
In my opinio, a racing sailboat with S.S. ports in lieu of Alum. ports, Teak decks defeat what a racer should be and that is lightweight. Is the hull cored with end grade balsa wood, or 'Airex' foam coring, again , the 'Airex' foam is a weight saver. She should have canvas padded root berths instead of heavy plywood bunk risers and bunk tops and 4" foam cushions. Aluminum winches and cleats instead of S.S. The name of the game is weight savings so to be more responsive to the wind. Your Martec folding prop should be folded so that the trailing ends of the prop are verticle, go inside and mark the top of the prop coupler with a dab of paint so that you can turn the coupler dot in the up position and lock you prop in the most efficient, streamlined position. Having someone go under and ''rubberband the prop? That's too funny.. Again, in my opinion,the owner should count his blessing if he can get thirty- thousand for this well used wannabe racer. ............... Jim.
It’s a racer-cruiser. Next question?
Nice boat
Question: How would you carry a dingie/inflatable ??? Could you mount davits that extend beyond that backstay ??? Maybe some solar panels to ... but she is gorgous
that's one hell of a beautiful fixxer upper...
OMG. you shows I can watch and dream... I better get back to work otherwise.. I won't be able to afford one of them. I love this boat. I think with some good care you could go right away.
I would definitely love to have this boat. I also have an idea for fixing the deck. I would squeegee clear epoxy resin over the entirety and then sand back down to the teak.
Check out our episode on the Warwick 42 where the owner did something similar to cover over the teak. It wasn’t the prettiest but it sure was a quick and inexpensive solution
beautiful boat, teak is amazing to look at but I never want maintain one again :(
It is really a quandry, isn't it?? It sounds like you fought the good fight! We've been discussing some of the newer synthetic decking solutions that might be the best of both worlds.... long-lasting, no penetrations through the decking, easier to install, less expensive, etc.... we're hoping to be able to do an episode on it in the not-so-distant future. Cheers!
Gorgeous boat; Broker- find a surveyor who is worth his weight, and take 10 readings above the ceiling panels... And include those numbers and or assessment from the Marine Surveyor. Also- any buyer that is even REMOTELY thinking about this boat better demand the actual receipt and date stamp when these chain plates were replaced because they are sandwiched INTO THE HULL of the boat... Removing them / replacing them $45,000 in a cheap South American country... in the USA- try $50k+ easily....
the deck scares me and so does the engine ..... and these are both big ticket items
They are that ...thats what surveyors are for
I have this same model boat and Perkins engine and it’s reliable as hell... Any diesel engine is reflection on the owner and how they care for it... Diesel tractor motors are very old-school analog and very simple as long as you keep the fuel in the oil clean these things run Non-Stop...
@@YachtHunters www
The teak decks would scare the crap out of me as an owner but would love to sail her. Have a good friend who once owned a Sweeden 34 with teak decks and watched what he went through ( he now owns an old B40 which is gorgeous and has the solid glass decks no balsa).
Beautiful boat. Would not be scared to take it anywhere
and i think you would make it ..... and if you sailed far enough you might find a slightly lower hourly labor rate to fix ANYTHING that needs it thanks for your thoughts
U R right about the deck. 40 to fifty grand depending on how good a job you want. It leaks and you will never find the leaks. All the teak has to go. Problem is that all the hardware is mounted atop the teak, not fastened to the deck itself, so once it starts to leak, you can’t stop it. And, you can’t get the water out of the core without major destruction. There is water in the core, discouraging, but true. This may be a case of “the cheapest boat is the most expensive. Go with the B-40 or the Bristol 39, much better boats
Thanks for a thoughtful and very informed overview of an interesting racing ketch!
The glossary footnotes in the video are a great idea to help teach terminology.
While I am interested in and respectful of the past, the future is of more interest to me personally. Multihulls are where my interest is. (As an aside, multihulls have crossed oceans for many centuries, particularly the Pacific. They are themselves not new. But they have evolved more than monos, and are generally more efficient with righting moment and stability from form rather than ballast.)
More creative uses of foils for lift and righting moment are also of interest. Anyone who thinks foils are radical doesn't appreciate that every keel, rudder and sail is also a foil generating lift. Finding new uses for foils is respecting and understanding the past while applying it in new ways.
Excellent idea for the glossary... thank you! Here in New England multi-hulls are a little more rare so we haven't had a chance to climb aboard to date but they are high up on our list! You're right about the foil/lift - as the Scheel keel is a good example of a different kind of lift/flow.... If it floats, we give it a 10 😄
@@YachtHunters Correction, Austronesians probably have been using multihulls for millennia, not centuries. In any case, they are not exactly new.
It is a real nice boat 👍👍
Great Boat.
For someone with solid skills in wood and fiberglass work this would be a great boat to add value to. I like her a lot but there are a few in her size range and a bit smaller you have shown that I liked more...
Caption Q leans toward the Old School Racing Sailboats. Where as the modern sailor wants some of the latest technology and a 2nd toilet. I have never taken a crap in an outhouse and just cause they are old and worked well for everyone doesn't mean I would like to try it out today. Be openminded a lot newer and slower is more comfortable.
If it floats, we give it a 10! 😃 We did marvel at the newer(1999) Beneteau 461 for $120k in Episode #13, which was a great buy and had lots of modern conveniences - 3 staterooms/3 heads. We like them all - especially if they ar a good value!
No need to worry about the teak decks- I'd want to know what is ooozing out of the cored hull...
Yes, the teak scares me. Any idea the cost to remove the entire deck cover and interior, replace with a new interior plus and new deck design with pilothouse?
We do not try to guess at any costs to bring any boats up to any
standard the variables in that discussion are too numerous for this venue
The teak deck issue is more than the decks The polysulfide adhesives our boats are built with are good for 20 years (maybe 30) so the teak is not bonded to the deck. Well meaning people might “refasten” them with longer screws, making holes in the structure. Then there’s the tanks, there’s two types of people who own 30 year old tanks, those who know they have a problem and those who don’t Not reasons to not buy the boat but issues that should be understood. A survey might make a great episode
Love this boat. I would jump at this opportunity if I had the time.
I love it.
To my mind the fact that redoing the whole deck can cost $50,000 - $60,000 is a deal breaker.
I am a believer in that the teak deck would be beautiful though.
I think I prefer the basic design I came up with for a trimaran with electric engines and a magnet engine for the power supply.
100% agree, the purchase price + 25% and that's not replacing the teak , just repairing and non skid coating. PS you could use rare earth magnet motor to power your electric propulsion systems too.
Beautiful boat. I'd love to have it
I'd have a leaky teaky, wouldn't bother me at this price. I'd have to know that the engine was sound and reliable though. If she sails as good as she looks, it would be fantastic to spend time on her.
For sure you'll spend time on her, in the yard fixing the leaky teaky cored deck, for about a year, and you'll feasibly spend the purchase price again to fix it, without a new/refurbished teak deck. Those planks are more than likely toast too, I wouldn't be holding my breath.
I've done enough boat shopping and have enough experience to know when to walk away, and this is a boat I'd walk away from.
mr captain Q, thank you for the splendid initiative and for the interesting descriptions of the 'beauties' you have presented. I could not understand the model and the designer of this splendid boat, which attracted the attention of many for its noble lines and for its old style deck, so attractive to purists, like me and many others obviously. I would like to know more about this boat and if you were kind enough to write me the essential data to be able to carry out a short research on it. Thanks again in advance and so on ... with the wind in your sails ... congratulations!
She is a Frers & Cibilis 44 also known as an F & C 44. Built around 1980. You can see a sistership of hers for sale here (since this one sold little while back): www.yachtworld.com/boats/1980/frers--cibil-44-k-cb-ketch-3696479/
th-cam.com/video/iYZTn1o_BOg/w-d-xo.html
sailboatdata.com/sailboat/fc-44
@@YachtHunters woww frers ...this is the reason for its beautiful lines and its wonderful deck... thanks a lot Captain....best regards
He knows how to draw a beauty, doesn’t he? Cheers and thanks for the note!
@@YachtHunters yessss...
I really like this boat.i don't know how to sail.if I learned how I would buy a boat like this and I think I would really enjoy it.
Gorgeous boat but feels like it could be expensive... would need a very careful survey. That said strip the deck off, cut into the core and get rid of all the rotten wood in the deck, if you're lucky it's not too bad, fibreglass it and you're good to go sailing, engine probably needs stripping down by a mechanic (or pull it out and put a new one in/electric) people have definitely resuscitated worse yachts.
Awesome teak and mahogany
I would have paid 150k for this beaut. Now, I'm becoming slightly a bit more wiser because of this channel. Thank you captain Q!
there is another one for sale here in Maine in good
conditon for about $97,,000.00
Gorgeousness.
The teak scares the heck out of me along with the leaking deck. You didn't say if it was a cored deck but if it is, that would only make things worse. I don't know what the current price of teak is but I know it's not cheap. The question I have is could the current deck be saved? If it could, maybe with planing a little off of the top, then it would probably be doable. If not, I think you're probably up around that $100K mark to make it right. At that price you can probably find something else comparable in much better shape. I do enjoy your videos but unless I want to get a different wife I'll probably never own a boat like that. Keep the good stuff coming.
this boat has been sold with all its warts and inherent good looks ... i hope the owner finds Captain Q and updates us that would educating no/
You should have said “there’s a ketch, right?!?!?”
😂
I GET IT! I GET IT!
I'm in love 😍
A real beauty but what a money pit! Everywhere you looked, there was signs of water intrusion. That black wood looked rotten. Every bulkhead looked like there was water damage. Ancient teak deck. Run away. As to the tumblehome increasing stability and the skeg preventing stalling of rudder? I haven't heard or read about that before.
Yes for sure... chasing those intrusions could be a real hit to the piggybank. Although, a few weeks later we were talking about the possibility of pulling the deck off, plugging up the holes and potentially using a new synthetic teak/cork decking material as a solution. Some of the new decking materials are really cost effective and could have her back in shape without spending a fortune..... or would it ?? ;)
@@YachtHunters it’s much more than that. The real issue is the rot that has been developing in the wooden core of the deck between the fiberglass layers. Given the lack of maintenance, every deck screw is a source of rot in what is likely plywood or balsa. The entire fiberglass top of the deck may need removing after the teak is removed., recore and refiberglass. 100k easily unless you do it yourself. New engine: 20k. New fuel tanks? New standing rigging. Upgrade of old electronics. Sand and revarnjsh the interior. $$&&&&.
Bingo.....
I'm watching your show out of the Netherlands. Great show I like it.
Gorgeous boat but some possibly serious issues too (engine, hull wood). Probably still a good deal
Yes, definitely some potential pitfalls. There's a mint condition one for sale a few miles away for $95k USD so if you could sweeten her up with a frugal/handy approach you could be ahead of the game.
Someone bought this beauty already, that's for sure.
Yes, shortly after we aired the episode back in October. There's a sistership in amazing condition (albeit with a higher price) available in the same town: www.grayandgrayyachts.com/boats-for-sale/1980-frers-cibil-44-k-cb-ketch-georgetown-maine-7532152/
6 years to retirement and then what ? Well I have 6 years before retiring to learn to sail and study everything I possibly can about yachts...retire, tell the wife, get out of hospital, visit my wife who's serving a long prison sentence for putting me in hospital...then sail where the wind takes me. Binge watching your channel Captain Q and dreaming on.
Oh my
100% agree, she is a beauty.
I am concerned about the decks and the engine but like Captain Q would like to buy her, go Sailing and figure it out later !
That’s the spirit!
The wood below is Viraro. rare tropical from Brazil/Argentina.
Thank you for that My knowledge of the varieties of wood on boats is admitedly very thin and somewhat limited to : " if its brown its mahogany and if its tan its
teak " ...not very profound but i know to wash one and varnish the other ...my clocks ticking but i love to learn so don't hesitate to correct or update me thank you
@@YachtHunters very uncommon but a beautiful honey colored wood.
She does look great and the the person that wants to do some rebuilding seems like a great deal as long as they don't get in over their heads.
Well said... it could quickly get out of control but the buy-in price might justify a (modest?) spend to get her ship-shape. Especially if the new owner were handy. Cheers!
Yup she's a vary nice boat
YUP back at you
I'd hate to strip the teak in exchange for an epoxy top deck. Would I hate it more than the cost differential to restore it? Tough to say.
leakage on hull/deck joint...45' port/stbd; Rudder gudgeon; Engine rebuild, ...next !! $$$$$$
Loving this channel!!!
I don’t know enough about costs. I’m a decent shade tree mechanic and a good carpenter/cabinet maker so I could probably make it pretty but I don’t know enough to make it seaworthy.
If they only still built classy boats like that today instead of the plastic junk of today
Very interesting do ever look at cats ?😎
We've been looking a good deal on a Cat for awhile but they aren't as easy to find in the New England area where we're based. It's definitely high up on our wishlist!!
Most item we could address ourselves, I would have no issues taking it and restoring over time
THAT IS THE SPIRIT !!
Did I miss the length of this beautiful boat?
She's 44 beautiful feet 👍
A beauty. Given the money I´d buy it straight away, rip off the teak deck,
substitute it with modern false teak that looks like the real thing but is watertight,
put in a modern engine, change the vital deck hardware and go sailing....
Perfect application for imitation teak… would love to see it
I would be over joyed to own such a beautiful yacht.
We've seen a sistership in nearby Georgetown, Maine that is really something to look at at the dock.... she's quite a bit higher priced but needs no real work. Stunning!
Goddammit i was just commenting on a vid when it changed, and my comment ended up on this tube, sorry for that. ... I was / am going to watch your channel.
Hate it when that happens!!
I have put decks on a few boats and this one I would pass on, ergo the owners eager to sell for such a inexpensive price. I had a Choy Lee that cost me double what I paid for it replacing the teak decks. It is a pretty boat but a pretty big hole in the water to throw money into.
Very nice, but its a nightmare cost wise to fix.. it has big issues. Not for me.
ok but stay tuned for future visits
@@YachtHunters Perfect response, Captain Q! We would all love a "re-visit," or "re-visits,: during the repair process! There will be surprises!
Still available? It’s amazing..
1.) I'm not afraid of the damage to the rudder skeg. That wouldn't take too much in materials or talent to put to right.
2.) I'd replace that prop. Too-cool-for-school folding high-speed, low-drag, but what happens when you need to reverse? Maybe an actual feathering prop where I could positively control the prop blades' angle of attack.
3.) Any purchase decision would be contingent on a go-no-go criterion regarding the decking and its purported leaks.
4.) I would've been appreciative of more information on the rig. The mizzen didn't appear to be stepped on the keel, what about the mainmast?
It's a really gorgeous-looking boat. Life's too short to sail ugly boats, so it's got my approval there.
This (if it was in top fettle) might be a good liveaboard for a young-ish family: a man, his wife and two or three kids of about 6 or 7 years of age and up--if they lived in, say, southern or central California (for cruising to the Channel Islands) or maybe the southern half of the east coast of Florida (Bermuda, the Bahamas, etc.).
That’s a good list and a proper survey would definitely be in order to sort out the details around the spar, sails and deck issues so you would know before jumping in what items were critical. It’s nice to be in the company of those with discerning taste 😉
That teak deck is way too pretty to let go of. There must be some low-cost way to save it... Rhino Liner? :) j/k, maybe some combo of clear epoxy and strategically placed light grit to retain traction? Seems that might solve some water infiltration problems too. Someone who knows why I'm wrong, let me know, I'm curious.
Remove all the teak, countersink all screw holes, there will be hundreds, on both sides of the deck and fill all holes with thickened epoxy (countersinking the holes secures the thickened epoxy plugs), re-laminate deck, fair, epoxy primer and paint then sand again and glue down flexiteek, or some other faux teak. As has been done by thousands of owners of older vintage teak decked boats.
It's a pigs ear, deck hardware will rip out under load etc etc.
Or just put a non skid kiwigrip onto the freshly re-laminated, faired and epoxied deck, that's all based on not having to cut out chunks of laminate and rotten core. If the core is rotten you have to dig it out, epoxy new end grain balsa core, then re-laminate and do all the above-mentioned steps, it's one hell of a process that you do not want to have to do.
Regular semco applications will help, it needs to breathe.
@@jonnorousseau3096 Thank you, J. Rousseau! This process is VERY labor-intensive. Given the number of fastener penetrations and the boat age, the number leaks into the balsa core will be high. The square footage of laminate replacement will be corresponding high. WHAT HAVE OTHER F&C 44, AND F&C xx OWNERS, OF THAT PERIOD EXPERIENCED?
@@jthompsoniii I have a very good friend that's a very experienced sailor and a very reputable broker in the Pacific Northwest and he's constantly harping on about deck core ingress on older boats, and not even teak decked boats, I've walked away from a lot of potential boats (Crealock and Perry designs primarily) the likes of Cabo Rico, Tayana, Cheoy Lee Ta Chiao because of deck issues, be they with teak or removed and not properly recored and repaired as they should have been. Another area of concern is around the chain plates if the shrouds are inboard, personally a big fan of external chain plates and you can probably guess my preferences in cruising boats.
@@jthompsoniii I have hull # 30. Deck has some core but is solid for key areas like where winches are, tracks, etc. After hull 22 I believe they moved engine up, enlarged heads, turned nav station around. Big improvements.