THANK YOU! Mover for having me on the show. I had a great time doing your interview, and THANK YOU to everyone for watching and your comments! Truly appreciated!
@@andrewmurphy7618 Yes, I'm still in Okinawa for now working in the F-15 simulators. Ron's name sounds familiar but would probably have to see a face (I did 3 tours at Kadena)
Damn right Steve. He’s so good. I love how he calls it as he sees it (and he SAW it all, the BIG picture, the mission, the greater good) in the book but is unequivocal in heaping praise where it’s due. People talk of the fighter pilot type A personality, but Kluso is on a higher plane. (If anyone is curious as to what I’m talking about - BUY HIS BOOK to find out!!)
I love the reference to President Reagan in the title of Rick’s book. I too was blessed to fly in the Air Force during Reagan’s presidency. It was great to be a fighter pilot during the 80’s and 90’s.
Thank you for your service, Jeff! I was stationed at Holloman AFB (49th TFW) during the Reagan years. What a time to be in the USAF during the 1980s. Where were you stationed?
Vance AFB for UPT and as a T37 IP (1980-1984). Holloman for fighter lead in 1984. A10 RTU at Davis-Monthan in 1985. Myrtle Beach AFB 1985-1988. I then joined NDANG and flew the F4 and F16 from 1988-2000.
Great interview! As a current Kadena f-15 maintainer it’s awesome hearing stories about the history of the jets thanks again for everything you’ve done.
Thanks to you both, Kluso you are my age and I am proud to say I served with so many good aviators like yourself and Mover. Nothing but respect from a Navy maintainer.
LOL...know you are joking, but the answer is...not loose jets during peace time to routine EPs, have a bigger jet which spells more range, payload, etc. But in all fairness, the F-16 is a great jet...if there is a war going on just off the end of your runway🙀
Another great interview, if you don’t follow this type of subject matter you don’t realize these people are part of history they shaped how things went in these conflicts and really shaped the outcomes in our favor.
Good interview, thanks Mover and Kluso. Very cool to hear the stories of Gulf 1. As a contractor/maintainer I saw and supported the war first hand from the Saudi Air Base I worked at. Quite an interesting period of time. Take care Gents.
My Georgia Guard F-15A wing was never deployed, to the dismay of our pilots for sure. We understood there was plenty of air-to-air in theater. The ANG Vipers from SC and the RF-4’s from Alabama went.
@@donniehewett6875 Awesome! I retired from the weapons load shop 10 years ago this month after transferring from GA to get back on the flight line for my final five years. Great unit!
Outstanding interview, Mover!!! I used to dorm right next to the 49th Tactical Fighter Wing at Holloman AFB (1986-1988) and loved watching the Eagles tearing up the skies over White Sands. I would like to see more interviews about Desert Storm fighter pilot experiences- what an amazing air campaign. Again, it's great to see Eagle Drivers on this channel- C.W. does a fantastic job on this channel! Will check out the Colonel's book. Thanks again C.W.! -K. Rea (USAF/ANG, SSGT. - CAPTAIN)
Hi mover, can you interview césar "rico" Rodriguez, retired USAF F15 pilot who shoot "3" migs 2 on operation desert storm and one on operation allied forces over ex-yogoslavia
Thank you Rick for your reply. i went to Fremont Junior High and Franklin high. My family are all out in the linden area now. Thank you for your service. Will be ordering you book. Sincerely, Bob.
Reading your book, Kluso, and enjoying it immensely. Imagine my surprise as I read your poignant account of the student group expedition to the T-38 crash site when I saw Gordon "Kuch" Kucera's name! Kuch was one of my favorite wingmen in the 173rd TRS, NEANG out of Lincoln, NE. I may see him on April 2nd at a funeral for one of our beloved squadron mates near the USAF Academy, Don "Fogs" Fogal, RIP. I also knew Cheese Graeter from the time he was a teenager. His dad, Col. Ed Graeter was commander of the AFROTC detachment at the University of Colorado when I was the Marine Officer Instructor next door at the NROTC detachment. He would come down to my office often to "Hangar fly". We formed a five way partnership and bought a new Rockwell single turbo 112TC Commander which we shared for several years. After your time with Cheese in Desert Storm, he and I served together on the staff of CINCPAC
thank you for another great interview! Is there a chance to help us find the book that Lt Col mentioned with regards to F-15 vs Foxbats by Doug Dildi(?) -- Thanks in advance
A very good friend of my, (we consider their family like family), was an Eagle Driver and was one of only "3" USAF pilots during the Desert Storm era who was not only a Albino driver, but also a Flight Surgeon. He went to Medical School to stay in the cockpit. He didn't deploy for Desert Storm but did fly chase for the testing of the Raptor at Edwards AFB.
Really interesting insights into how the Gorillas dominated GW1. Helped make it clearer why they were so good. Right people, right equipment, and (I wouldn't have guessed) right scheduling. Very cool interview!
Tollini's wingman, Larry Pitts, gives a very detailed account of their engagement with the MiGs in an episode of the old show Dogfights (history channel): th-cam.com/video/gMPJD0dlCT8/w-d-xo.html To get behind the first MiG, Pitts did a 12G split-S maneuver. That's some gangsta shit! lol Hopefully, Mover can link up with Pitts and get him on for an interview as well.
Another great interview. I think this is the best one yet, might be the IPA talking. Ordered my copy of the book, can't wait. Thanks for providing the Casemate link, Big Tech Amazon doesn't need any more of my dollars. As of this writing 9000 people watched this interview and only 677 could be bothered hitting the "Like" button. That's bullshit. Step it up people! :-)
@KlusoTollini , great interview. You have a great speaking voice. Have you heard a podcast interview of Robert "cheese" Graeter where he describes that first push in to Iraq, two flights of 4 F-15C's. Actually I'm not sure it was Graeter in the interview but I assumed it was. It might have been one of the other pilots in that formation. They spoke of the timing of that push, that they had to go now, and that your flight was to the right of them. And then they said you flew above them to the left. From there they went on with the accounts of the operation. Then I hear your podcast describing that same operation and thought is was nice to hear it from another point of view. Now I can't find that first interview of the first flight. Do you happen to know where I can find it? I've tried to google it with no luck. Again, great interview ! Thanks John
Brilliant interview and I’m looking forward to the book arriving. I’m watching this in February 2022 and about an hours drive from me the last F15C/D models in USAFE are into their last weeks of service in Europe . I totally agree with Kluso and his comments about ‘keeping Eagles on the ramp’……… fallen on deaf ears in the leadership unfortunately 😔
Making steady progress through "Call Sign" despite my hectic retired life. Your humility about inventing an indispensable workaround for the Gorillas' pilot staffing shortage at Tabuk is commendable. I think your solution was brilliant if not simple, and it's somewhat baffling to me that nobody seemingly thought of it before you did, particularly at the 1st TFW. Maybe too close to HQ? Having served in both Marine Aviation and the ANG, 10 and 14 years respectively, it was always apparent to me that the USAF suffered from overregulation in every corner of the organization. In the Marines, we always said that "the book" was a tool, not a hammer. In the Air Force it seemed that the opposite was true. It's ironic to me that the most important grading item on a Navy or Marine checkride was "headwork", but not on an Air Force flight evaluation. I also observed that USAF tactical doctrine was developed and implemented from the "top down" without consulting those at the tip of the sphere. I think that back asswards approach unnecessarily cost the Air Force lives and airframes in Vietnam. A classic case was during LINEBACKER II when SAC bomber crews suffered extraordinary losses to SAMs by naively flying ECM box formations conforming to SAC policy in long unidirectional attack axes into Hanoi and Haiphong. It literally took a crew mutiny at Anderson in Guam to force a rethink of those tactics which ultimately saved lives. Second example: the Navy had to invent Top Gun and combat spread before the Air Force got the message that "fighting wing" tactics were suicidal against hit and run MiG attacks. I guess the Air Force has compensated for its hidebound adherence to obsolete policies and tactics in combat operations by lower echelon mavericks like you "throwing out the book" and devising new procedures (crew rest based upon your 18-hour crew duty cycle and go-no go meds) to meet reality. Seldom does a good deed go unpunished, but you apparently survived. John Boyd and Billie Mitchell didn't. Ironically "OODA Loop" Boyd became a hero to the Marine Corps, but remains an embarrassment to Air Force officialdom to this day, as does Mitchell in some organizational culture quarters. Boyd must have been spinning in his Arlington grave over the procurement of the F-35 or the V-22 Osprey! Semper Fi, Bear out.
Thank you for your comments, Bear. The scheduling workaround was totally out of necessity and without any other solutions. But I am happy it worked out. I was fortunate to have GREAT Leadership that let us run with the ball. As you know, that makes the difference in combat. That's awesome you know Kuch and Cheese also. I believe I was at PACAF HQ at the same time you and Cheese were at CINPAC. Small world! Best regards and Thank You for reading the book!
Cool interview. i grew up in the same town as Rick so the interview had a special meaning to me. Rick probably knew Herb Ross in Stockton who was a World War 2 Ace flying P38s. Herb teached a ground school at Delta College. i'm probably 4-5 years older then Rick. Flew helos for a wnile no fix wing. Bob.
Hi Mary. Nice to meet another "Stocktonian" (or whatever you call us). I knew Herb Ross. Took a couple of his classes at Delta College and saw several of his air shows in his Pitts Special. First few chapters of my book cover my Stockton youth ... you would probably know many of the references. Best to you!
In the military for fighter aircraft you have to perform 2 checkrides every 18 months. One is for instrument flight and emergency procedures proficiencey, and the other is for tactical Mission skills.
Yes, you're correct. We committed as a 4-ship, but only my wingman (Cherry Pitts) and I entered the merge. The book details that part of the fight. History channel does a good job but a few of the details are a little bit off. Thank you for watching the interview Couchracer! Appreciate the comments!
Mover, You should do an interview with Ward Carroll. He's a Navy Aviator Vet and an author as well. Really great guy with a lot of amazing stories to tell
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THANK YOU! Mover for having me on the show. I had a great time doing your interview, and THANK YOU to everyone for watching and your comments! Truly appreciated!
Are you in okinawa?
Do you recall a chief Ron Gospodarski? Crew chief
Was both at eglin and kadena
@@andrewmurphy7618 Yes, I'm still in Okinawa for now working in the F-15 simulators. Ron's name sounds familiar but would probably have to see a face (I did 3 tours at Kadena)
Kluso is a class act. Always quick to give credit and acknowledge the contributions of others where it's due! Great interview, Mover!
Damn right Steve. He’s so good. I love how he calls it as he sees it (and he SAW it all, the BIG picture, the mission, the greater good) in the book but is unequivocal in heaping praise where it’s due. People talk of the fighter pilot type A personality, but Kluso is on a higher plane. (If anyone is curious as to what I’m talking about - BUY HIS BOOK to find out!!)
And take your own credit Steve, you conducted a superb interview with him on your own channel. And another great interview by Mover…keep them coming!
I love the reference to President Reagan in the title of Rick’s book. I too was blessed to fly in the Air Force during Reagan’s presidency. It was great to be a fighter pilot during the 80’s and 90’s.
I was a Navy maintainer and Reagan was loved by all of us for obvious reasons.
Thank you for your service, Jeff! I was stationed at Holloman AFB (49th TFW) during the Reagan years. What a time to be in the USAF during the 1980s. Where were you stationed?
Vance AFB for UPT and as a T37 IP (1980-1984). Holloman for fighter lead in 1984. A10 RTU at Davis-Monthan in 1985. Myrtle Beach AFB 1985-1988. I then joined NDANG and flew the F4 and F16 from 1988-2000.
Great interview! As a current Kadena f-15 maintainer it’s awesome hearing stories about the history of the jets thanks again for everything you’ve done.
Thanks to you both, Kluso you are my age and I am proud to say I served with so many good aviators like yourself and Mover. Nothing but respect from a Navy maintainer.
F-16 Pilot to Eagle Driver: "So what do you do with the other engine?"
LOL...know you are joking, but the answer is...not loose jets during peace time to routine EPs, have a bigger jet which spells more range, payload, etc.
But in all fairness, the F-16 is a great jet...if there is a war going on just off the end of your runway🙀
Another great interview, if you don’t follow this type of subject matter you don’t realize these people are part of history they shaped how things went in these conflicts and really shaped the outcomes in our favor.
Yes, please don't stop the interviews, this is the most entertaining and interesting content to me. Great job as always!
I saw an episode on Dogfights from the Persian Gulf and Rick Tollini was on it. His wingman "Pits" was interviewed.
I love hearing these stories from those that have been "in it". Thank you Colonel Tollini, and thank you Mover, for hosting this. Excellent!
Awesome interview and author! Bought the book! Thank you for your service both! Fellow USN Vet 1983-1996.
Bought Kluso's book and read it in 2 days. Great book and he is a very likeable guy. Great job writing and thanks to him for being on our side!!
Thank you, Harvey!!
Thanks Kluso, I’ve read your MiG story in other books over the years, great to see you in person on here. Long live the Eagle!
Yes! Long live the Eagle! Eagle Drivers!
Another great interview Mover! It's awesome to hear the stories of people like Kluso. They are true American heroes. Thank you!
Good interview, thanks Mover and Kluso. Very cool to hear the stories of Gulf 1. As a contractor/maintainer I saw and supported the war first hand from the Saudi Air Base I worked at. Quite an interesting period of time. Take care Gents.
I keep coming back and rewatching!!!!!
My Georgia Guard F-15A wing was never deployed, to the dismay of our pilots for sure. We understood there was plenty of air-to-air in theater. The ANG Vipers from SC and the RF-4’s from Alabama went.
sc guard guy here
@@donniehewett6875 Awesome! I retired from the weapons load shop 10 years ago this month after transferring from GA to get back on the flight line for my final five years. Great unit!
Outstanding interview, Mover!!! I used to dorm right next to the 49th Tactical Fighter Wing at Holloman AFB (1986-1988) and loved watching the Eagles tearing up the skies over White Sands. I would like to see more interviews about Desert Storm fighter pilot experiences- what an amazing air campaign. Again, it's great to see Eagle Drivers on this channel- C.W. does a fantastic job on this channel! Will check out the Colonel's book. Thanks again C.W.! -K. Rea (USAF/ANG, SSGT. - CAPTAIN)
Hi mover, can you interview césar "rico" Rodriguez, retired USAF F15 pilot who shoot "3" migs 2 on operation desert storm and one on operation allied forces over ex-yogoslavia
Thank you Rick for your reply. i went to Fremont Junior High and Franklin high. My family are all out in the linden area now. Thank you for your service. Will be ordering you book. Sincerely, Bob.
Thank you, Bob! hope you enjoy the book.
Great Interview Kluso and Mover!! Thank y’all for doin this.
I'm always amazing how fast the time goes by when watching one of your interviews. Great job as always.
Always look forward to these interviews, thanks!
Thank you C.W. and Kluso... That was great.
I just finished this awesome book! I was in the 67th TFS at Kadena 90-92. Long live the Eagle!
If you watch this and DON’T buy Kluso’s book, you’re doing yourself and him a massive disservice! It’s a fantastic read.
Just ordered it! Kluso is a class act and an outstanding example of a USAF officer
@@kevinrea7663 thank you, Kevin! hope you enjoy the book.
Reading your book, Kluso, and enjoying it immensely. Imagine my surprise as I read your poignant account of the student group expedition to the T-38 crash site when I saw Gordon "Kuch" Kucera's name! Kuch was one of my favorite wingmen in the 173rd TRS, NEANG out of Lincoln, NE. I may see him on April 2nd at a funeral for one of our beloved squadron mates near the USAF Academy, Don "Fogs" Fogal, RIP.
I also knew Cheese Graeter from the time he was a teenager. His dad, Col. Ed Graeter was commander of the AFROTC detachment at the University of Colorado when I was the Marine Officer Instructor next door at the NROTC detachment. He would come down to my office often to "Hangar fly". We formed a five way partnership and bought a new Rockwell single turbo 112TC Commander which we shared for several years. After your time with Cheese in Desert Storm, he and I served together on the staff of CINCPAC
thank you for another great interview!
Is there a chance to help us find the book that Lt Col mentioned with regards to F-15 vs Foxbats by Doug Dildi(?) -- Thanks in advance
F-15C Eagle vs MiG-23/25: Iraq 1991 (Duel) Paperback - April 19, 2016
by Douglas C. Dildy (Author), Tom Cooper (Author), Jim Laurier (Illustrator)
MAINTENCE GUYS! "YUP, JETS ARE READY!"
A very good friend of my, (we consider their family like family), was an Eagle Driver and was one of only "3" USAF pilots during the Desert Storm era who was not only a Albino driver, but also a Flight Surgeon. He went to Medical School to stay in the cockpit. He didn't deploy for Desert Storm but did fly chase for the testing of the Raptor at Edwards
AFB.
this was an amazing interview!! loved the whoe lot, i wish there was more than an hour and a half!! thank you both so much for sharing
Great interview... Kepp it long! Love the full format over edited down clips!
Great interview Mover, thanks.
Really interesting insights into how the Gorillas dominated GW1. Helped make it clearer why they were so good. Right people, right equipment, and (I wouldn't have guessed) right scheduling. Very cool interview!
Awesome guy awesome story. Thank you for your Service 🇺🇸
Tollini's wingman, Larry Pitts, gives a very detailed account of their engagement with the MiGs in an episode of the old show Dogfights (history channel):
th-cam.com/video/gMPJD0dlCT8/w-d-xo.html
To get behind the first MiG, Pitts did a 12G split-S maneuver. That's some gangsta shit! lol
Hopefully, Mover can link up with Pitts and get him on for an interview as well.
Can’t wait to read the book. Great guest and interview Mover!
Another great interview. I think this is the best one yet, might be the IPA talking. Ordered my copy of the book, can't wait. Thanks for providing the Casemate link, Big Tech Amazon doesn't need any more of my dollars.
As of this writing 9000 people watched this interview and only 677 could be bothered hitting the "Like" button. That's bullshit. Step it up people! :-)
@KlusoTollini , great interview. You have a great speaking voice. Have you heard a podcast interview of Robert "cheese" Graeter where he describes that first push in to Iraq, two flights of 4 F-15C's. Actually I'm not sure it was Graeter in the interview but I assumed it was. It might have been one of the other pilots in that formation. They spoke of the timing of that push, that they had to go now, and that your flight was to the right of them. And then they said you flew above them to the left. From there they went on with the accounts of the operation. Then I hear your podcast describing that same operation and thought is was nice to hear it from another point of view. Now I can't find that first interview of the first flight. Do you happen to know where I can find it? I've tried to google it with no luck. Again, great interview ! Thanks John
Brilliant interview and I’m looking forward to the book arriving.
I’m watching this in February 2022 and about an hours drive from me the last F15C/D models in USAFE are into their last weeks of service in Europe .
I totally agree with Kluso and his comments about ‘keeping Eagles on the ramp’………
fallen on deaf ears in the leadership unfortunately 😔
If you have not read KLUSO's book, you should. Great book, covers Desert Storm and MiG kills, but also so much more.
KLUSO is a great guy and patriot.
Making steady progress through "Call Sign" despite my hectic retired life. Your humility about inventing an indispensable workaround for the Gorillas' pilot staffing shortage at Tabuk is commendable. I think your solution was brilliant if not simple, and it's somewhat baffling to me that nobody seemingly thought of it before you did, particularly at the 1st TFW. Maybe too close to HQ?
Having served in both Marine Aviation and the ANG, 10 and 14 years respectively, it was always apparent to me that the USAF suffered from overregulation in every corner of the organization. In the Marines, we always said that "the book" was a tool, not a hammer. In the Air Force it seemed that the opposite was true. It's ironic to me that the most important grading item on a Navy or Marine checkride was "headwork", but not on an Air Force flight evaluation.
I also observed that USAF tactical doctrine was developed and implemented from the "top down" without consulting those at the tip of the sphere. I think that back asswards approach unnecessarily cost the Air Force lives and airframes in Vietnam. A classic case was during LINEBACKER II when SAC bomber crews suffered extraordinary losses to SAMs by naively flying ECM box formations conforming to SAC policy in long unidirectional attack axes into Hanoi and Haiphong. It literally took a crew mutiny at Anderson in Guam to force a rethink of those tactics which ultimately saved lives. Second example: the Navy had to invent Top Gun and combat spread before the Air Force got the message that "fighting wing" tactics were suicidal against hit and run MiG attacks.
I guess the Air Force has compensated for its hidebound adherence to obsolete policies and tactics in combat operations by lower echelon mavericks like you "throwing out the book" and devising new procedures (crew rest based upon your 18-hour crew duty cycle and go-no go meds) to meet reality. Seldom does a good deed go unpunished, but you apparently survived. John Boyd and Billie Mitchell didn't. Ironically "OODA Loop" Boyd became a hero to the Marine Corps, but remains an embarrassment to Air Force officialdom to this day, as does Mitchell in some organizational culture quarters. Boyd must have been spinning in his Arlington grave over the procurement of the F-35 or the V-22 Osprey!
Semper Fi, Bear out.
Thank you for your comments, Bear. The scheduling workaround was totally out of necessity and without any other solutions. But I am happy it worked out. I was fortunate to have GREAT Leadership that let us run with the ball. As you know, that makes the difference in combat. That's awesome you know Kuch and Cheese also. I believe I was at PACAF HQ at the same time you and Cheese were at CINPAC. Small world! Best regards and Thank You for reading the book!
The close call story at the end was scary.
A Red Flag Preflight is 100% oxygen to beat the hangover.
Great video brother! 👍🇺🇲
I am reading his book now. It’s awesome!!
Cool interview. i grew up in the same town as Rick so the interview had a special meaning to me. Rick probably knew Herb Ross in Stockton who was a World War 2 Ace flying P38s. Herb teached a ground school at Delta College. i'm probably 4-5 years older then Rick. Flew helos for a wnile no fix wing. Bob.
Hi Mary. Nice to meet another "Stocktonian" (or whatever you call us). I knew Herb Ross. Took a couple of his classes at Delta College and saw several of his air shows in his Pitts Special. First few chapters of my book cover my Stockton youth ... you would probably know many of the references. Best to you!
Sir may I asked Is checkride in military aviation, same with corporate?
In the military for fighter aircraft you have to perform 2 checkrides every 18 months. One is for instrument flight and emergency procedures proficiencey, and the other is for tactical Mission skills.
Brilliant enjoyed this very much 🤙
Thanks "Kluso"! fun interview!
I was hoping for a F-4 in the mid 70s. My back washed me out. Naval Air from Los Alimitos NAS CA
Great podcast
Great interview!
That was fun to listen to
Favorite question; what was your scariest moment in an airplane? Mover, please tell us about yours.
HISTORY CHANNEL SAY 4 SHIP..THE OTHER TWO F15S? WHERE DID THEY GO?
Yes, you're correct. We committed as a 4-ship, but only my wingman (Cherry Pitts) and I entered the merge. The book details that part of the fight. History channel does a good job but a few of the details are a little bit off. Thank you for watching the interview Couchracer! Appreciate the comments!
@@KlusoTollini DID YOU KNOW MY UNCLE "soup"?
@@couchfighter Soup Campbell? if that's your Uncle, then yes, I know Soup.
That would be sick if you got the pilot terri Dietz from the show dogfights tv show on the history channel or an ex f117 night hawk pilot just saying!
Very well said.
Meals Ready to Eat - The Lucky Puppy
F-117 Desert Storm Trivia - The Lucky Puppy
He is one smart MFer. And credit it to training as well as him!
Can you react to operation red flag?
That is why, more kills in the F15 ingle seats than tomcats, just like what mountain home guys did to the indian flankers
@0:40 - Mover committed a Final Fantasy VIII reference...! O_O
Mover, You should do an interview with Ward Carroll. He's a Navy Aviator Vet and an author as well. Really great guy with a lot of amazing stories to tell
Carrol is a tool. anti Jan 6 protest.
BASS!
thanks Kluso and Mover good stuff !
Bad Ass……!