It only took me 6 hours to watch this 46:48 minute video! I had to stop, pause, make notes, rewind. I had the book open in front of me, the masterwork guide, etc. If I had an insight, I noted it in the notes I made from the presentation. I learned something new and clarified a few other ideas. So, very well done. As a reward - Tim, you are allowed to keep your Legos. 😁
(Note: typed before I watched the video) I wanted to do a scene breakdown of diagon Alley and found I had a really hard time telling where is starts and ends. I'm so happy to see this today.
Hey Tim, or Story Grid in general, I am currently reading "ACTION STORY, The Primal Genre". It's excellent! I was wondering if you guys are planning on publishing any similar books for different genres, specifically, Status or Performance? Thanks for the video. Later.
It’s so helpful to see this scene analysis. Thank you. I am confused about something. You note “scene goal” established. Is the “scene goal” the same as the Harry’s “object of desire” in this scene? If so, isn’t the object of desire meant to be described as a specific SMART goal achieved “without” suffering a certain consequence?
I think "scene goal" and "object of desire" are different - at least to me. Example: Harry's Object of Desire (long-term): To find his place and identity within the magical world. So, this will encompass his need for belonging, understanding his heritage and feeling a sense of wonder and connection to his parents' legacy. Harry's Scene Goal: To obtain his school supplies - a goal that involves the tasks of purchasing a wand, getting his robes, buying his books.
@@dreamslayer2424 I see your point. But what I'm confused about is that in the scene analyses, that Tim has been sharing on this channel, he uses a scene Object of Desire (defined a specific way which includes a SMART goal along with a "without" consequence in order to achieve that goal). I'm trying to balance what Tim has been teaching us about scene construction on the channel with how this analysis approaches it. Don't get me wrong, this project and its analysis is mammoth, heroic - and, in and of itself, will be a classic. But I don't see how scene goals in this analysis's approach equate with scene object's of desire Tim has been suggesting and teaching on this channel. Are they the same thing? Different things? Are they two ways of looking at a scene-one with a more generalized scene goal, and another with a more specific scene goal? I'm trying to take what I'm learning here on this channel and apply it to my own writing. I'm expecting the Story Grid theory to be consistently taught throughout. Yet this has left me confused. Or am I just completely missing something here?
I understand your confusion. I don't want to add to it by presenting my interpretation. Perhaps @savannah-gilbo or @StoryGrid will answer it and provide you clarity.
@@miggseye --- I didn't see a response, so I'm adding mine. I hope it helps. S.M.A.R.T. Goal Analysis ✅Specific: ◾Specific Goal: Harry’s goal in Diagon Alley is to gather all necessary school supplies and learn more about his place in the wizarding world. ◾Clearly Defined: He needs to acquire specific items such as robes, books, and a wand, and he also wants to understand the wizarding world better, including the significance of the mysterious package for Dumbledore. ✅Measurable: ◾Observable Actions: Harry’s progress is measurable through concrete actions and outcomes: ➡He successfully visits various shops: Gringotts (retrieves money and the mysterious package), Madam Malkin’s (gets fitted for robes), and Ollivanders (purchases a wand). ➡His internal change is observable through his interactions and reactions to the new information and the world around him. For example, his growing insecurity and discomfort are clear indicators of his internal struggle. ➡The moment Harry collects his wand from Ollivanders and learns about its significance marks a key measurable point in his journey. ✅Achievable: ◾Feasibility: The goal is achievable within the story’s world. Harry is guided by Hagrid and supported by magical entities (like Ollivander) who ensure he gets what he needs. While Harry faces internal doubts, the physical tasks of obtaining supplies are well within his reach given the support he receives. ✅Relevant: ◾Story Importance: The goal is highly relevant to the story. Obtaining school supplies and understanding his new world are crucial for Harry’s transition from the Muggle world to the wizarding world. It sets the stage for his journey at Hogwarts and addresses his growing sense of being out of his depth in this new environment. ✅Time-Bound: ◾Urgency: The goal is time-bound as Harry needs to gather all supplies before the start of the school year. The urgency is emphasized through the sequence of events and the pressure of preparing for Hogwarts, creating a clear deadline and a sense of immediacy.
@@miggseye I sent you an email with an answer. I tried to write it here, but YT apparently did not like it and swept it away. Having had this happen before, I screenshotted it before I posted it to ensure I had a copy to send to you if something went wrong.
It only took me 6 hours to watch this 46:48 minute video! I had to stop, pause, make notes, rewind. I had the book open in front of me, the masterwork guide, etc. If I had an insight, I noted it in the notes I made from the presentation. I learned something new and clarified a few other ideas. So, very well done. As a reward - Tim, you are allowed to keep your Legos. 😁
Diligence and Dedication, dreamslayer!
This makes me so happy! I'm glad it was helpful :)
As I'm editing the sixth draft of a novel, I'm eager to learn more about scene values and value changes. Where will I be able to ask questions?
I bought the book and can't wait to have it in my hands!
(Note: typed before I watched the video) I wanted to do a scene breakdown of diagon Alley and found I had a really hard time telling where is starts and ends. I'm so happy to see this today.
Hey Tim, or Story Grid in general, I am currently reading "ACTION STORY, The Primal Genre". It's excellent! I was wondering if you guys are planning on publishing any similar books for different genres, specifically, Status or Performance? Thanks for the video. Later.
I have the book now!
It’s so helpful to see this scene analysis. Thank you.
I am confused about something. You note “scene goal” established. Is the “scene goal” the same as the Harry’s “object of desire” in this scene? If so, isn’t the object of desire meant to be described as a specific SMART goal achieved “without” suffering a certain consequence?
I think "scene goal" and "object of desire" are different - at least to me.
Example:
Harry's Object of Desire (long-term): To find his place and identity within the magical world. So, this will encompass his need for belonging, understanding his heritage and feeling a sense of wonder and connection to his parents' legacy.
Harry's Scene Goal: To obtain his school supplies - a goal that involves the tasks of purchasing a wand, getting his robes, buying his books.
@@dreamslayer2424 I see your point. But what I'm confused about is that in the scene analyses, that Tim has been sharing on this channel, he uses a scene Object of Desire (defined a specific way which includes a SMART goal along with a "without" consequence in order to achieve that goal). I'm trying to balance what Tim has been teaching us about scene construction on the channel with how this analysis approaches it. Don't get me wrong, this project and its analysis is mammoth, heroic - and, in and of itself, will be a classic. But I don't see how scene goals in this analysis's approach equate with scene object's of desire Tim has been suggesting and teaching on this channel. Are they the same thing? Different things? Are they two ways of looking at a scene-one with a more generalized scene goal, and another with a more specific scene goal?
I'm trying to take what I'm learning here on this channel and apply it to my own writing. I'm expecting the Story Grid theory to be consistently taught throughout. Yet this has left me confused.
Or am I just completely missing something here?
I understand your confusion. I don't want to add to it by presenting my interpretation. Perhaps @savannah-gilbo or @StoryGrid will answer it and provide you clarity.
@@miggseye --- I didn't see a response, so I'm adding mine. I hope it helps.
S.M.A.R.T. Goal Analysis
✅Specific:
◾Specific Goal: Harry’s goal in Diagon Alley is to gather all necessary school supplies and learn more about his place in the wizarding world.
◾Clearly Defined: He needs to acquire specific items such as robes, books, and a wand, and he also wants to understand the wizarding world better, including the significance of the mysterious package for Dumbledore.
✅Measurable:
◾Observable Actions: Harry’s progress is measurable through concrete actions and outcomes:
➡He successfully visits various shops: Gringotts (retrieves money and the mysterious package), Madam Malkin’s (gets fitted for robes), and Ollivanders (purchases a wand).
➡His internal change is observable through his interactions and reactions to the new information and the world around him. For example, his growing insecurity and discomfort are clear indicators of his internal struggle.
➡The moment Harry collects his wand from Ollivanders and learns about its significance marks a key measurable point in his journey.
✅Achievable:
◾Feasibility: The goal is achievable within the story’s world. Harry is guided by Hagrid and supported by magical entities (like Ollivander) who ensure he gets what he needs. While Harry faces internal doubts, the physical tasks of obtaining supplies are well within his reach given the support he receives.
✅Relevant:
◾Story Importance: The goal is highly relevant to the story. Obtaining school supplies and understanding his new world are crucial for Harry’s transition from the Muggle world to the wizarding world. It sets the stage for his journey at Hogwarts and addresses his growing sense of being out of his depth in this new environment.
✅Time-Bound:
◾Urgency: The goal is time-bound as Harry needs to gather all supplies before the start of the school year. The urgency is emphasized through the sequence of events and the pressure of preparing for Hogwarts, creating a clear deadline and a sense of immediacy.
@@miggseye I sent you an email with an answer. I tried to write it here, but YT apparently did not like it and swept it away. Having had this happen before, I screenshotted it before I posted it to ensure I had a copy to send to you if something went wrong.