I appreciate the coverage of this, it's certainly interesting and I like seeing brands push modern technology and see what's possible. This seems like it's in line with B & O, Devialet and Cabasse with their similar dsp based lifestyle actives(for lack of a better label for the category)
A Cabasse speaker system and now Marantz enters all-in-one pool. I’ve sold my separates and have now embarked on the all-in-one box Streaming only platform without audiophile compromise (Aurender AP20). Speakers separate.
Separates? I got rid of that back in 1995. Wanted something simpler. Got a Marantz 2500 and a Tablet to stream music. Bada Bing bada boom. Done. Simple.
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Hello PLA, as we aren't a Devialet dealer, we can't make a comparison. But at Fall Classic, we were playing a bass heavy track on Horizon, and a consumer asked us to play that song on the Model 10 / 801's system. While it sounded much better on the big rig, we were impressed at how good Horizon was for so much less. We look forward to when you can hear it yourself
I think the combination of lifestyle and audio does certainly have a crowd, but in these price ranges it's a small percentage. B&O is mostly tackling that crowd as well with established dealerships and recognizable brand identity in that category. I do applaud the boldness of Marantz and it will be interesting to see if they can pull this of. I'll keep the popcorn close by.
Thanks Matthias for your thoughts. Yes, it's a bold move. We see others also offering more lifestyle gear, and with Marantz and Bowers being part of the same family, they have the audio chops to make these sound really good. Consumers listened and gave them a big thumbs up the last 2 nights at our Fall Classic
Nice system, a bit pricey, about not out of reach for sure. Like HEOS, but the absence of Qobuz keeps me from using it, and products like the Horizon and Grand Horizon. Thanks for the info, always informative.
Amazing design. What are the prices per speaker and pair? It’s rare that you see a product that matches or outshines B&O. Last product I saw that surprised me as much visually was the Naim Mu-so 2nd gen light wood edition.
Hi Tech Samurai, these are remarkable products, and a surprise - we did not expect them! Pricing in USD we're told is $5,500 for Grand Horizon, $3,500 for Horizon. A single creates a very convincing soundstage, but you can add a second for a stereo pair. Reach out to us if you like: ask@gramophone.com
I still personally think the B&O A9 would be better, this could be better than a balance though. This gives off a devialet mixed with B&O feeling or is it just me 😅
Hello RXonmymind - yes, you can pair two of them for a stereo pair. As it is a HEOS enabled product, you can also combine it with more Horizons, or any of the other HEOS enabled devices, allowing you to control multiple rooms - essentially a whole house audio system without needing to run wires.
Design cues an engineering from high-end companies like this also go into what the typical buyer likes also go into concepts for the things that they don't like but when it's not what they want all of a sudden it's all negative
@@GramophoneMD just telling all the little boys how it is. They don't have to like it but it's the truth. Every product that comes out isn't for you. It's not for your budget. It's not for the design that you sometimes companies just want to Branch out and do something different. They've done the studies and see that there is a pocket for this particular type of product. A long side all their other products
Ask someone who also loves design and Aesthetics as well as the tech side I love this product from my engineering perspective and I'll reserve my judgment until I can actually hear it most people rush to judgment as usual without knowing it and then once they hear it either their pride will keep them from changing their opinion or you just won't hear about it
Thanks Chris, yes - it's the most interesting audio product design to come along in some time. With the Marantz and Bowers & Wilkins tech and engineering background on board, Marantz created a product that sounds really impressive to us
$3500 for the Horizon, $5500 for the Grand Horizon.........I think Marantz is stepping deep into the "more money than sense" crowd. I'm all for upgraded all in one's, but are you really saying it sounds that much better than the McIntosh RS-250 or the new Cambridge Audio Eco One?
Hello Sakio, while we haven't a / b demo'd them against those two, we can share that the consumers at our event last night agree - both sound great, and look really cool. We were especially impressed with Horizon. For it's size and price, it sounds amazing
Hi Joe, good question. Marantz and Denon have invested quite a bit in the Heos app, which is quite good and allows you to control all functions from across the room. So many folks have smart devices these days - for many, a remote is redundant.
I do like omnidirectional speakers which is s point in it's favour but I still need two for stereo. Last I checked music is still recorded in at least two channels. Two Grand Horizons... that's mighty expensive. There's just too much astonishingly good lifelike sounding competition some of which sells very moderately (eg., Elac). That's going to be a tough sell for Marantz. I hope the good looks help.
Hello Sock, agreed - Horizon is not for everyone. Between the Marantz, Denon, and Bowers / Definitive / Polk etc. brands, they have plenty of conventional products for audio video consumers. They wanted to also appeal to lifestyle conscious consumers who they had not been appealing to - a reasonable choice
Hi Thevikingcam, it doesn't have full surround capabilities, but there are plenty of products that do, so feel free to reach out to us: ask@gramophone.com
Agreed. Tops Grand Horizon $3500 and go down from there. Especially if you can't daisy chain them. Meaning one speaker to play multiple speakers throughout the home. So let's say you have a mansion and want one throughout your 10,000 ft home then one can have 8 of them playing wherever you go seamlessly. Maybe it's just a simple software update they could do that.
Hello Sugar, yes, you can pair twin Horizon or Grand Horizon for a stereo pair. Also, as they are Marantz products, they can be part of a whole home wireless system (a virtual chain) by using the HEOS app: skybygramophone.com/search?q=HEOS
They were talking about their multi room integration. Say you have some people over and people are moving around room to room, Heos allows you to play the same music, perfectly synced in every room. Not likely to be used often, but is a nice party trick, quite literally. When a manufacturer is hyping a product, but leave out the price, be very worried. Now that I have seen pricing in this thread, hard no on these products.
@@jaredhylton6591 I understand the flexibility offered as part of an ecosystem, but that still does not explain his specific mention of the AMP 10 or AVR. Playing different tunes in different zones has nothing to do with the aforementioned equipment.
@gregitingen again, whole home audio with Heos is about being able to play audio in whatever room you are in straight from your phone. This includes being able to play the same audio, perfectly synced throughout your house, or everywhere that you choose. By bringing up what he did, he showed their hand a little that one of their primary targets here are wealthy customers that have a full theater, and are adding this in a 2nd room. Maybe they even also already have a dedicated stereo system in a 2nd room, and now may add this for a 3rd room where a larger system makes little sense, especially since they already have that covered. I don't see a large market of people buying this as their only, or top system.
Another product with the single speaker line of demarcation. Is this the way young well-heeled folks prefer to listen? I grew up during the burgeoning years of stereo. If it wasn't two speakers with two discrete channels it was AM radio. I do like surround sound for the envelope that only it can create. I realize DSP can sculpt both wide frequency reproduction and a sense of surround. That said, nothing eclipses a good two speaker setup that is stereo at its best IMHO. So, this likely remarkable speaker isn't of interest to me. At the prices quoted even more so if that is possible. I do like groundbreaking audio products, even so I quickly lose interest when at prices like this so many other less costly options offer so much more bang for the buck. If this was reasonable in cost I could see it for more of a mainstream product, as it is, however, it is, likely, destined for a quite small niche market. In other words, Saul would, likely, not approve of his name on this speaker. I'm actually not a grumpy old cheapskate audiophile because the Cabasse Rialto 2-speaker set up would be my choice over this.
Thanks AudioFile, your comments make total sense. Marantz realized that they have plenty of products for both the traditional 2 channel audio buyer, and the HT enthusiast. Their research pointed them to a market that they were not serving. The good news is that these products sound really good
Hello Gintoki, we're sorry to hear of your experience. The latest HEOS software is quite good - please reach out to us if we can offer help with the specifics of what your Denon receiver is doing: ask@gramophone.com
Hi GramophoneMD, my name is Johnny and I'm a freelance logo designer, would you guys be interested to have a logo redesign to have a clearer logo that is noticeable even when it's small in situation like TH-cam thumbnail overlay and also unique enough to represent your brand and your audio contents? Let me know if you guys are interested and I would love to make it happen for you! :-)
Hi GramophoneMD, I see, I do think the logo is unnoticeable or at least not easy to pick up what it is when it's small like this TH-cam channel circle picture situations, you can remove the name and make the logo image bigger or a complete redesign will help too to give it a more memorable appearance too, let me know if you change your mind and also need a designer for other parts of your business too, I up for it! :-)
@@GramophoneMD just commenting on the comments. Its as if some folks dont understand that there are different strokes for different folks. Its all too obvious these products are meant for non audiophiles.
Hello Darth, thanks for your comment; we could have included a better discussion of sonics. We can share that we are impressed with the sound. For their size, both Horizon and Grand Horizon have remarkably good bass, with a big and open soundstage, too. We hope you can audition them someday soon
@@GramophoneMD It's not for me but I like that they are taking the bold step - there is a niche audience that would like this for sure. Let the market decide...good for them for taking the risk
"Holistic, platform, form factor"... just a bunch of marketing hype. Whenever companies use that kind of approach the results are usually underwhelming because money is put into advertising and marketing more so than the product itself which thrives on gimmicks and salesmanship.
Hello Socksumi, thanks for your comment. We haven't seen much advertising for Horizon as yet, but we were fortunate to have one at Gramophone for last week's Fall Classic. It sounded really impressive. Horizon's bass response in particular was much better than its small form factor would suggest.
Hello Vider - it's true that Horizon is not for everybody. Marantz could see that they have lots of options for traditional 2 channel and home theater enthusiasts, but they did not have much for those who don't want component audio.
That's hideous and the marketing is ridiculous. You'd be better off paying some pro audio guy to come setup a decent audio system then bother eith something this ridiculous if you really have no ability or more money then brains to do it yourself.
God he's full of crap. Sorry but this presentation is so cliched. We couldn't find a fabric in the world so we invented one. Every new product manufacturer makes such claims. So unconvincing, so unnatural as a product launch. It's a car tyre.
![If you can't hear this then you're not an audiophile [See description for link to followup video]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/48PxwspDvrE/mqdefault.jpg)
Hey Gary, Robert with engulfaudio here. It's always a pleasure seeing you and listening to you talk about Marantz gear.
Thanks Robert, we will pass your comments along to Gary
I hope the volume can move in a sliding increments instead big jumps
Hello KDM, yes, the volume control operates very smoothly in small increments. Marantz did a great job with the ergonomics of the Horizon
"Luxury watches, cars, materials, they're all authentic..." The perception priming going on with this long-winded sales pitch is off the charts.
Thank you Bare for your comment
I appreciate the coverage of this, it's certainly interesting and I like seeing brands push modern technology and see what's possible. This seems like it's in line with B & O, Devialet and Cabasse with their similar dsp based lifestyle actives(for lack of a better label for the category)
Thanks Joseph, we're loving that Marantz has expanded the lifestyle category with something that sounds really good
They look gorgeous. I wish them lots of success so we might see some smaller, more affordable units down the line.
Thanks Jeff, our guess is that yes, over time the line will grow to other models
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I will more than likely end up with one of these..maybe two
A Cabasse speaker system and now Marantz enters all-in-one pool. I’ve sold my separates and have now embarked on the all-in-one box Streaming only platform without audiophile compromise (Aurender AP20). Speakers separate.
Thank you 944!
Separates? I got rid of that back in 1995. Wanted something simpler.
Got a Marantz 2500 and a Tablet to stream music. Bada Bing bada boom. Done. Simple.
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Glad to hear it, Darryl!
Just a Devialet compressed?
Hello PLA, as we aren't a Devialet dealer, we can't make a comparison. But at Fall Classic, we were playing a bass heavy track on Horizon, and a consumer asked us to play that song on the Model 10 / 801's system. While it sounded much better on the big rig, we were impressed at how good Horizon was for so much less. We look forward to when you can hear it yourself
The similarities to the iconic Ecko AD-65 Radio designed by Wells Coats in 1932 cannot be overlooked!
Indeed - good call - also Devialet....
Thank you Knock - although we assure you, you'll be impressed when you hear these, and we're not so sure about the Ecko AD-65 🙂
Looks like a whitewall tire from a mid-50s Chevy. I like it. Thanks
Hi Daniel, we're glad you like it
I think the combination of lifestyle and audio does certainly have a crowd, but in these price ranges it's a small percentage. B&O is mostly tackling that crowd as well with established dealerships and recognizable brand identity in that category. I do applaud the boldness of Marantz and it will be interesting to see if they can pull this of. I'll keep the popcorn close by.
Thanks Matthias for your thoughts. Yes, it's a bold move. We see others also offering more lifestyle gear, and with Marantz and Bowers being part of the same family, they have the audio chops to make these sound really good. Consumers listened and gave them a big thumbs up the last 2 nights at our Fall Classic
@@GramophoneMD It better be good for that price. The audience liking it isn't hard, them spending their money on it is.
Nice system, a bit pricey, about not out of reach for sure. Like HEOS, but the absence of Qobuz keeps me from using it, and products like the Horizon and Grand Horizon. Thanks for the info, always informative.
Hello Ed, you are welcome, and we're glad you enjoyed it. If you can be patient, we believe this will be addressed at some point in the future
Amazing design. What are the prices per speaker and pair?
It’s rare that you see a product that matches or outshines B&O. Last product I saw that surprised me as much visually was the Naim Mu-so 2nd gen light wood edition.
Hi Tech Samurai, these are remarkable products, and a surprise - we did not expect them! Pricing in USD we're told is $5,500 for Grand Horizon, $3,500 for Horizon. A single creates a very convincing soundstage, but you can add a second for a stereo pair. Reach out to us if you like: ask@gramophone.com
I still personally think the B&O A9 would be better, this could be better than a balance though. This gives off a devialet mixed with B&O feeling or is it just me 😅
"Thought of everything."
Can you daisy chain the speakers? 6 to play throughout my home at the same time?
Hello RXonmymind - yes, you can pair two of them for a stereo pair. As it is a HEOS enabled product, you can also combine it with more Horizons, or any of the other HEOS enabled devices, allowing you to control multiple rooms - essentially a whole house audio system without needing to run wires.
@GramophoneMD Very nice. Thank you.
Design cues an engineering from high-end companies like this also go into what the typical buyer likes also go into concepts for the things that they don't like but when it's not what they want all of a sudden it's all negative
Thanks Chris 🙂
@@GramophoneMD just telling all the little boys how it is. They don't have to like it but it's the truth. Every product that comes out isn't for you. It's not for your budget. It's not for the design that you sometimes companies just want to Branch out and do something different. They've done the studies and see that there is a pocket for this particular type of product. A long side all their other products
Ask someone who also loves design and Aesthetics as well as the tech side I love this product from my engineering perspective and I'll reserve my judgment until I can actually hear it most people rush to judgment as usual without knowing it and then once they hear it either their pride will keep them from changing their opinion or you just won't hear about it
Thanks Chris, yes - it's the most interesting audio product design to come along in some time. With the Marantz and Bowers & Wilkins tech and engineering background on board, Marantz created a product that sounds really impressive to us
$3500 for the Horizon, $5500 for the Grand Horizon.........I think Marantz is stepping deep into the "more money than sense" crowd. I'm all for upgraded all in one's, but are you really saying it sounds that much better than the McIntosh RS-250 or the new Cambridge Audio Eco One?
Hello Sakio, while we haven't a / b demo'd them against those two, we can share that the consumers at our event last night agree - both sound great, and look really cool. We were especially impressed with Horizon. For it's size and price, it sounds amazing
The second I heard HEOS, I’m out
This is for the Ferrari, Lamborghini and Rolls Royce crowd.
Why not make it really simple and provide a remote?
Hi Joe, good question. Marantz and Denon have invested quite a bit in the Heos app, which is quite good and allows you to control all functions from across the room. So many folks have smart devices these days - for many, a remote is redundant.
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True that..thank you
I do like omnidirectional speakers which is s point in it's favour but I still need two for stereo. Last I checked music is still recorded in at least two channels. Two Grand Horizons... that's mighty expensive. There's just too much astonishingly good lifelike sounding competition some of which sells very moderately (eg., Elac). That's going to be a tough sell for Marantz. I hope the good looks help.
Hello Sock, agreed - Horizon is not for everyone. Between the Marantz, Denon, and Bowers / Definitive / Polk etc. brands, they have plenty of conventional products for audio video consumers. They wanted to also appeal to lifestyle conscious consumers who they had not been appealing to - a reasonable choice
Bang & Olufsen territory, lol.
Thanks Rabit for your comment
WOW ! 😍
Thanks MSI 🙂
Looks pretty cool ngl
Agreed Dragon!
I need 5. Can it do atmos..
Hi Thevikingcam, it doesn't have full surround capabilities, but there are plenty of products that do, so feel free to reach out to us: ask@gramophone.com
This thing looks really nice, but it’s 2x the price of a Devialet Phantom II. At these prices I’ll stick to traditional speakers.
😅😅😅😅 sensational
Thank you Bim for your comment
Agreed. Tops Grand Horizon $3500 and go down from there.
Especially if you can't daisy chain them. Meaning one speaker to play multiple speakers throughout the home. So let's say you have a mansion and want one throughout your 10,000 ft home then one can have 8 of them playing wherever you go seamlessly.
Maybe it's just a simple software update they could do that.
Can you daisy Chain them?
Hello Sugar, yes, you can pair twin Horizon or Grand Horizon for a stereo pair. Also, as they are Marantz products, they can be part of a whole home wireless system (a virtual chain) by using the HEOS app: skybygramophone.com/search?q=HEOS
@ thank you…
Saul is rolling over in his grave.
Hey Glenn, good to see you again. Audition these if you can when they come to a store near you - you'll be impressed
Why would anyone use a powered speaker as part of an integrated system with a Marantz AV receiver and amp as was mentioned. Utter nonsense.
They were talking about their multi room integration. Say you have some people over and people are moving around room to room, Heos allows you to play the same music, perfectly synced in every room. Not likely to be used often, but is a nice party trick, quite literally.
When a manufacturer is hyping a product, but leave out the price, be very worried. Now that I have seen pricing in this thread, hard no on these products.
@@jaredhylton6591 I understand the flexibility offered as part of an ecosystem, but that still does not explain his specific mention of the AMP 10 or AVR. Playing different tunes in different zones has nothing to do with the aforementioned equipment.
@gregitingen again, whole home audio with Heos is about being able to play audio in whatever room you are in straight from your phone. This includes being able to play the same audio, perfectly synced throughout your house, or everywhere that you choose. By bringing up what he did, he showed their hand a little that one of their primary targets here are wealthy customers that have a full theater, and are adding this in a 2nd room. Maybe they even also already have a dedicated stereo system in a 2nd room, and now may add this for a 3rd room where a larger system makes little sense, especially since they already have that covered.
I don't see a large market of people buying this as their only, or top system.
Hi Greg, if you want to know more about Marantz' Heos whole-home audio system, just reach out to us here: ask@gramophone.com
Jeez, how tall is that guy?
Hi Chris - at least half a foot taller than me!
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He looked like an NBA player, lol.
Another product with the single speaker line of demarcation. Is this the way young well-heeled folks prefer to listen? I grew up during the burgeoning years of stereo. If it wasn't two speakers with two discrete channels it was AM radio. I do like surround sound for the envelope that only it can create. I realize DSP can sculpt both wide frequency reproduction and a sense of surround. That said, nothing eclipses a good two speaker setup that is stereo at its best IMHO. So, this likely remarkable speaker isn't of interest to me. At the prices quoted even more so if that is possible. I do like groundbreaking audio products, even so I quickly lose interest when at prices like this so many other less costly options offer so much more bang for the buck. If this was reasonable in cost I could see it for more of a mainstream product, as it is, however, it is, likely, destined for a quite small niche market. In other words, Saul would, likely, not approve of his name on this speaker. I'm actually not a grumpy old cheapskate audiophile because the Cabasse Rialto 2-speaker set up would be my choice over this.
Thanks AudioFile, your comments make total sense. Marantz realized that they have plenty of products for both the traditional 2 channel audio buyer, and the HT enthusiast. Their research pointed them to a market that they were not serving. The good news is that these products sound really good
@@GramophoneMD Like the Cabasse can they be used in a stereo pair? Or, is that kind of like 2X redundancy?
HEOS is awful on my Denon receiver.
Hello Gintoki, we're sorry to hear of your experience. The latest HEOS software is quite good - please reach out to us if we can offer help with the specifics of what your Denon receiver is doing: ask@gramophone.com
Sauron speakers
Thank you Adler for your comment
This looks the same as my KEF HTB2BL Powered Subwoofer😂
Hello FS, actually the bass on these caught our ears immediately!
Born in New York, made in state of the art Vietnam facilities 😂
This will probably be made in the Shirakawa facility in Japan.
Thank you Rahulkaran, Marantz has a first class facility in Shirakawa Japan for their premium goods
Hi GramophoneMD, my name is Johnny and I'm a freelance logo designer, would you guys be interested to have a logo redesign to have a clearer logo that is noticeable even when it's small in situation like TH-cam thumbnail overlay and also unique enough to represent your brand and your audio contents? Let me know if you guys are interested and I would love to make it happen for you! :-)
Thank you Johnny! We're not contemplating a logo redesign at present, but glad for the offer
Hi GramophoneMD, I see, I do think the logo is unnoticeable or at least not easy to pick up what it is when it's small like this TH-cam channel circle picture situations, you can remove the name and make the logo image bigger or a complete redesign will help too to give it a more memorable appearance too, let me know if you change your mind and also need a designer for other parts of your business too, I up for it! :-)
I'll take a 3-way speaker in a wooden box, any day!
Did you test them?
Thank you Georgie - lots of audiophiles agree with you! Horizon was made for buyers who aren't interested in a component audio and speakers approach
These new products like this and the jbl lifestyles edition are NOT for people who watch thesese videos.
Hello Bing, thanks for your comment, there is some truth in that!
@@GramophoneMD just commenting on the comments. Its as if some folks dont understand that there are different strokes for different folks. Its all too obvious these products are meant for non audiophiles.
A tantalizing review that reviews everything about the soeaker except…the sound. :/
Hello Darth, thanks for your comment; we could have included a better discussion of sonics. We can share that we are impressed with the sound. For their size, both Horizon and Grand Horizon have remarkably good bass, with a big and open soundstage, too. We hope you can audition them someday soon
@@GramophoneMD It's not for me but I like that they are taking the bold step - there is a niche audience that would like this for sure. Let the market decide...good for them for taking the risk
And HEOS does not have the most resounding reputation for dependability and easy / ergonomic usage !!!!
Thanks William - the most recent version of Heos is much better than previous versions. Give us a shout if we can offer help - ask@gramophone.com
I love my Marantz gear but that is an expensive toilet seat on a stand.
Hi Mick, we hope you get a chance to see them in person soon. It looks really cool, especially in the black finish, and sounds impressive
"Holistic, platform, form factor"... just a bunch of marketing hype. Whenever companies use that kind of approach the results are usually underwhelming because money is put into advertising and marketing more so than the product itself which thrives on gimmicks and salesmanship.
Hello Socksumi, thanks for your comment. We haven't seen much advertising for Horizon as yet, but we were fortunate to have one at Gramophone for last week's Fall Classic. It sounded really impressive. Horizon's bass response in particular was much better than its small form factor would suggest.
I don't get it. All in one..... active... definitely not for me.
Hello Vider - it's true that Horizon is not for everybody. Marantz could see that they have lots of options for traditional 2 channel and home theater enthusiasts, but they did not have much for those who don't want component audio.
That's hideous and the marketing is ridiculous. You'd be better off paying some pro audio guy to come setup a decent audio system then bother eith something this ridiculous if you really have no ability or more money then brains to do it yourself.
Thanks Just - they actually look really cool in person
Does Massimo want to bankrupt Marantz and Denon for example ?!?! Trying to outdo Devialet ´s Business model ?!?!
No worries William, once you hear these you'll be impressed
Good for marantz. Not for me.
HI Prometheus, it's ok if it is not your cup of tea. We hope that you will get to hear them one day
God he's full of crap. Sorry but this presentation is so cliched. We couldn't find a fabric in the world so we invented one. Every new product manufacturer makes such claims. So unconvincing, so unnatural as a product launch. It's a car tyre.
Thank you ToBeFree for your comments