Normally the sector is killed by journalists referring to the bikes as entry level, budget, or heaven forbid ladies bikes……. what young man wants to spend a small fortune on the best bike he can afford only for it to be labelled In for mentioned categories
In reality these size bikes are perfect for the road. It's ego that encourages us to go for more HP. I'm currently battling with the idea of trading my S1000RR for a smaller bike hence why I'm watching this video.
Journalists can't hurt the segment if the industry just isn't making the bikes. The liter bikes are still around and the sporty nakeds have taken up most of the middle ground left for the hooligan & track oriented set. The manufacturers know what people are actually buying.
@@WeAreTheTrueMedia I "downsized" from a Suzuki B-king (gen 2 hayabusa motor) to an XR1200 and a 310cc Zontes. I put sticky Mitas tyres on the Zontes and it's my go to for everything except highway. I have loads of fun ripping around the country roads between the towns and villages where I live.
The one I want is the Honda. It has eveything I want, 4 cylinders and a 4 cylinder sound, a more upright postion and to me I just prefer Honda styling on the CBR models. I could care less about the extra weight. It's nominal. I like that red and blue Honda paint scheme on the CBR.
Feel you all the way Just bought me a cbr650r yesterday. So stoked about it and can’t wait for delivery! It’ll be my first bike, reduced to 45hp (bc Europe).
the weight difference its not much either between the honda, suzuki and triumph so idk why they make it seem as such. its only 3kg heavier than the suzuki 8r and the Honda is making a lot more power and its only 7kg heavier than the triumph and im taking honda over triumph for its well known reliability
@@hrvgim Something with the engine, couldn't start it up. After nearly 2 years, an engine change from another bike and a round through a conciliation council, I'm finally back on 2 wheels.
i have a CBR650R. I use it as a daily driver and it has been a total blast to ride. So much fun and I love the sound of that inline 4. Those 2 cylinder motors can't give that satisfaction., So far in 13,000 miles, nothing has broken. I follow the Honda maintenance schedule and just put gas in and ride it everywhere.
I've owned a Ninja650 since 2018 and absolutely love it for my style of riding. Been riding since 1987 ! but between the Aprilia and the Honda, I'm gonna go with the Honda this summer, to park next to the Ninja in the garage. I love the Aprilia and agree with everything you said about it but I've heard horror stories about the service and reliability. Honda products are very reliable, so I'm going with the CBR.
@@PopsRacer61 you won't keep the Ninja once you've got the Honda. We've got both in the families and the Ninja feels like a cheap toy compared to the Honda and the engine sucks - runs out of steam very early whereas the Honda pulls all the way to 11k. Ninja is more comfortable, lighter and controls are lighter so it's nice to commute and filter on though, and looks much sportier than it really is.
Not gonna lie, Aprilia is gorgeous, but the CBR is the obvious answer, really good looking, nice price tag and let's face it, nothing can beat a Honda inline 4.
Thank you for specifying the seat height for each bike. I think it's one of the most important details, since for many bikers, whom are "vertically challenged", seat height is a deal braker / deal maker factor.
This is a great bike class. I’ve ridden the Honda, Yamaha and Aprilia, but also the Trident and I must say the triple engine is very smooth and feels solid. The Aprilia was a very good steering bike, bit indeed my experience with Piaggio bikes is not that great for reliability. That is a shame, because they are great! Really curious about the Suzuki and Triumph, but right now, I would choose the Triumph!
For me, reliability wasn't the issue of the RS 660, but the network of dealership is, several reports from the owners where they have a hard time to find spare parts of it outside Italy.
Currently driving the latest version of CBR 150R V4. Planning an upgrade to CBR 650R once it is available here in Philippines. Honda's reliability is unmatched. I've had 3 Honda bikes the last 15 years; Wave 110, XRM 125, and TMX 125. These 3 never gave me any major issues. CBR 650R for me as an upgrade soon!
Love your reviews but I'm an old man and can't lean over a tank anymore, LOL. I wouldn't pick any of these but it is a great video for those who indulge in sport machines like I once did.
Own a ‘12 Ninja 650. Rode a ‘22. Faux clip-ons and digital screen aside, I don’t think an “upgrade” to it or later bikes feels warranted. Love my ‘12 because of its time. Not so much newer ones for the same reason
I agree with the RS660/Tuono660. Hard to 'raise the bar' for competitors, cuz of lower price. Newly minted, it takes everything from the RSVR & only needs heated grips (Hello Oxford!) to make it the perfect track bike & awesome on the street. It punches way above its weight. Weird, but I could've had a Triumph Street Triple 765 RS!!! We are in a revival, where tech, lightweight materials & improved performance is incredibly fast moving.
I love the way the apprilla looks and reviews are good but afraid of the reliability. The Daytona looks good but I think id go with the naked Honda 650 r for the 4 cylinder and Honda s reliability
Honda has submitted patent applications for a new fully faired, clip-on equipped sportbike with the Hornet 755cc engine - the CBR750R is likely 18-24 months away...
My pick would be the Aprilia RS660. IMO it's the best pick for what you pay and what you get. Especially since I've not seen a single one sold at my dealership go for more than 10k all done out the door. As for reliability I've not heard either of my two friends who own one complain about reliability, only that they wish they had more money to afford a RSV4.
I had a ZX600 back in 1999 (great bike). I didn't know they'd changed to a twin engine before watching this video. And yet the 400cc remains a 4cylinder.
ZX600 today would be more like the ZX6R, both are I4s and produce a ton of power at very high rpms. The Ninja 650 is another type of bike, more relax and less sporty.
...that's 2 different bikes! In the UK the old ZZR 600 from the 1990s morphed into today's ZX6 r (the 636) The old Ninja ER6 from 2006 is essentially today's Ninja 650 (always been a 2 cylinder)
Nice reviews. I started on a Ninja 250R and really liked it, so now have the '21 Ninja 650 which has been a lot of fun for what I'm looking for on the roads. Cool design, reliable brand, flickable, great 0 to 60 at 3.5 seconds, fuel efficient at about 200 miles per 4 gallon tank range for me. TFT display is great too. Lots of great competition for Kawasaki though. Thanks.
Nice! I have owned different Aprilia's troughout the years and they where all very reliable. Might be lucky, or people are just repeating what they heard from others.
Been looking at a honda cbr650r but no test drives allowed at this place, I own a 22 Ninja 650 and happy with it just thinking out loud, I have a Versy 1000lt also which I put up for sale, enjoy all your vids so keep them coming, and thanks...
Really like the rs660 but my little legs make it a hard option. I picked the 2024 cbr650r. Just ordered one! Did consider the Daytona but don't like the dash and the fact they only paint half the bike. 👍
@@radicalkonrad765 new tail light so doesn't look at stubby. TFT and new front lights tbf. Also being my first bike in 30 years I wanted to buy a new one 👍
Out of this collection, Triumph is the no brainer. Different engine to test (different and bloody good). Bet it rides good, stops good too. And it'll just be scewed together well. Good dealer network.
I like the looks of the new cbr650 but i don't like the fact they didn't change anything about that engine. With what those bikes weigh they could use some better torque figures. On this list, my pick would be the Rs660 as well. It's just very good, though expensive. However the street triple RS keeps calling my name 😂
i love R7 design and most appropriate for town daily bike. but man with that engine, the price is riddiculously high.. I think CBR650R is the best choice and worth the price..
Honda CBR 650R for me! I'm tall so Yamaha is out of the question. The ninja 650 is too meh and I never really thought about the 400. The Daytona would be a great pick but triumph frames tend to be compact. And of course the whole reliability question mark for the Aprilia.
I was disappointed to see that the Triumph Daytona 660 hasn't got a squarish type tft display, and they are using the dull display from the other 660 models!
While I'd love to see a Liter bike reimagining from the KTM 990, I think that a Chinese made RC 790 would make the most sense from KTM. More of a 750cc road going class to compete with the emerging 650-750cc class bikes. More horsepower than the rest, less weight, comparable or better tech, affordable price point. Would absolutely stomp the current competition. Aprilia RS 660: 100 hp, 67 Nm, 0.48 hp/kg, $11,499 Suzuki GSX-8R: 83 hp, 78 Nm, 0.44 hp/kg, $9,439 Honda CB750 Hornet: 90.5 hp, 69 Nm, 0.47 hp/kg, $7,900~ (est) Yamaha YZF-R7: 75 hp, 67 Nm, 0.41 hp/kg, $9,199 Triumph Daytona 660: 94 hp, 69 Nm, 0.47 hp/kg, $9,195 KTM Duke 790: 105 hp, 86 Nm, 0.53 hp/kg, $9,199
Preference for four cylinders in this category. It would be hard to pick between the Honda CBR650 and Kawasaki ZX4RR. If the ZX4RR isn't too uncomfortable with the racer crouch compared to the CBR650, then it would get the nod. Alternatively (and a lot better value) I could find a lightly used Kawasaki ZX636!
I’m in the market for a new bike in this sector so perfect timing on the brilliant video. I would say though that the pricing isn’t quite right as they’re not like for like bikes on features that are standard vs extras. E.g. Triumph has Bluetooth as optional extra while Honda has it as standard.
Great comparison in a class I love. A fairing for wind protection and looks but comfortable with useable power and affordable. The GSX 8R has 15% more torque that the RS660 which is more useful for everyday riding than revy bhp. And the RS costs 27-32% more where I love, depending on the deals. That is the same as Street Triple R or RS, Z900SE or KTM890. Looks good and all those qualities, but not sure it is worth the money. I also found the standover a little high due to the wider front of the saddle and with short legs was left tip toed. Not what I like riding around an uneven hilly city. The Daytona looks amazing and has enough power. Again the torque is down a on the GSX and the instrument screen/dash board looks terrible in my view. A Triumph blind spot. Same lame dash on the Tiger and Street triple R. The RS has a TFT but looney design with all numbers bar speed too small and the tach un-useable on the go. Someone talk to Triumph, please!
- not in the same category, that's really a track bike as are the Ninja ZX4 RR, Ninja ZX6r, GSXR 600and 750 ! those are track bikes that ppl can legally ride on the street. The one's in the video are sport touring bikes , mainly for the street.
I have a Triumph Trident and love it and up until recent have been wanting to ride the RS 660 but now the Daytona came out I'm excited it's pretty simple to get down to two for me and to get to the one am I going to put it on a track or not if so RS 660 if I'm going to remain a weekend warrior I think the Daytona
Interesting vid. My pics would be the Daytona 660 & GSX8R with the ZX4RR as an honourable mention. RS660 is nice but it's a bit too expensive & the reliability is a question mark compared to all the other bikes on this list.
I’m interested in the gsx-8r. Upgrade the suspension and it’d be a well rounded do everything bike. Can’t wait till my local dealer gets one so I can go check it out.
@@cantwheelie_rob True, thought the same. Although the forks are going to be hard to upgrade due to the bar style & position so they'll need changing too if you've a cartridge kit or different fully adjustable forks with adjusters on top.
i think it will be rs 660 followed by daytona 660 n then honda 650r top 3 best picks for anyone....i somehow feel daytona perfectly sits in the middle of value for money package if thy had added quick shifter in std package.....
Hey @motobob . Do you have review of the new CBR600RR on the way? I have one ordered which is to be delivered in about 2 months, but so far no reviews of the bike has been made. Seems strange that Honda has not shipped any bikes to be reviewed when it is so close to launch. Love your channel!
Nice one Bob. Still can’t work out why Honda decided to include a twist and go system for the CBR650R. If anything, I thought the CBR500R would have been the better choice.
Ofcourse you made it regarding to your country… duh. But for example im from turkey and since we have different import/export deals with european countries and uk, triumph is way cheaper than japanese brands, and for unknown reason kawa and suzuki are significantly expensive than yamaha and honda, so that really changes to dynamics of the list for us. But in mu heart i’ve been waiting for triumph to make what yamaha did with mt07 and r7 and make a sporty full fairing version of trident, which came out as daytona and upset some people but, they said they stopped daytona for good couple years ago. 660 daytona is better than non existent 675 daytona ❤️❤️
The absolute king in this category is not mentioned unfortunately. Yes it’s the most expensive but if you want a bike with the most power, best features and best looks, then you absolutely have to look at Ducati SuperSport 950S.
Just look at the comments. They're all very vague like, "I have heard a horror story". But no one has ever seemed to have experienced one commenting. Or "Italian's, something, something ". That old trope from the 1990s. I think it would be irresponsible for him to say any more than he did.
Thats a different category . In fact the zx4rr shouldn’t have even been mentioned in this video. Different style of riding, it’s essentially a mini zx6r. But I’d love to have one.
The best middle weight sportbike is still the ZX-6R now that the R6 is gone. Then followed by the updated CBR600RR that is now fitted with IMU. These 2 bikes have not received major updates for ages but they are still the best and most powerful middleweight, and also they are true sportsbike (aggressive riding position, high revving engines).
What does it for me really is the size. Im just looking for *an* A2 bike and im 194/6'4. The suzukis (gsx8r and 8s) are both the best fitted for me in the class it seems. But then again the triumph also looks really interesting and like it might fit even though it is smaller. But my point is that almost everything i look at seems cramped and i rarely ever see that talked about as a factor in bike reviews. I get that not everyone is as tall as me, but only being told to get an adventure bike also sucks.
The RS660 is the leader in sheer performance and tech, although the Daytona 660 might be better for riders more geared towards commuting/city riding. Will be interesting to see how CFMotos new 675 triple will stack up against these. I think throwing the CFMoto 800 (KTM 790) twin into a sport chassis similar to the 450SS would be a killer option as well. Suzuki missed the mark on the GSX-8 with non adjustable suspension and almost 40lbs heavier than the R7.
Those are super sports aka street legal race bikes with the more cramped leaned forward ergonomics and wicked peaky high revving engines, not standard sport bikes. The ZX4RR has more approachable street friendly ergonomics despite having the peaky engine…
@@kennedyracing7527 the bikes listed are middleweight sports bikes, 1 level up from like a Ninja 300 or R3. The bikes you referred to are super sports. More money, more aggressive, a lot faster…
I’ll pass of Triumph products. They are known for having too many reliability issues. The features and looks are great-but the expense of the purchase plus breaking too often-the Japanese bikes are a better bet.
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Normally the sector is killed by journalists referring to the bikes as entry level, budget, or heaven forbid ladies bikes……. what young man wants to spend a small fortune on the best bike he can afford only for it to be labelled In for mentioned categories
They have to or else you'll have squids going for a 1000cc as their first bike.
In reality these size bikes are perfect for the road. It's ego that encourages us to go for more HP. I'm currently battling with the idea of trading my S1000RR for a smaller bike hence why I'm watching this video.
@@WeAreTheTrueMedia Ducati Hyper Motorrad looks interesting
Journalists can't hurt the segment if the industry just isn't making the bikes. The liter bikes are still around and the sporty nakeds have taken up most of the middle ground left for the hooligan & track oriented set. The manufacturers know what people are actually buying.
@@WeAreTheTrueMedia I "downsized" from a Suzuki B-king (gen 2 hayabusa motor) to an XR1200 and a 310cc Zontes. I put sticky Mitas tyres on the Zontes and it's my go to for everything except highway. I have loads of fun ripping around the country roads between the towns and villages where I live.
The one I want is the Honda. It has eveything I want, 4 cylinders and a 4 cylinder sound, a more upright postion and to me I just prefer Honda styling on the CBR models. I could care less about the extra weight. It's nominal. I like that red and blue Honda paint scheme on the CBR.
Yikes
Feel you all the way
Just bought me a cbr650r yesterday. So stoked about it and can’t wait for delivery!
It’ll be my first bike, reduced to 45hp (bc Europe).
@@DB-sd3cwwhy 😮
the weight difference its not much either between the honda, suzuki and triumph so idk why they make it seem as such. its only 3kg heavier than the suzuki 8r and the Honda is making a lot more power and its only 7kg heavier than the triumph and im taking honda over triumph for its well known reliability
My RS660 (2021) broke down after 2 months. 1.5 years later, still not fixed. Besides that, it's an incredible bike.
What happened to it?
@@hrvgim Aprilia stuff, 2 months is a long time for it to not break down for an Aprilia.
@@NFNC-Bikes bro mine is a year old no problem. Plus has a race ecu lol
@@hrvgim Something with the engine, couldn't start it up. After nearly 2 years, an engine change from another bike and a round through a conciliation council, I'm finally back on 2 wheels.
@@TTrAAsTT Jesus Christ
i have a CBR650R. I use it as a daily driver and it has been a total blast to ride. So much fun and I love the sound of that inline 4. Those 2 cylinder motors can't give that satisfaction., So far in 13,000 miles, nothing has broken. I follow the Honda maintenance schedule and just put gas in and ride it everywhere.
Cud u mention your height pls?
Confused if tall guys are comfortable in cbr
I've owned a Ninja650 since 2018 and absolutely love it for my style of riding. Been riding since 1987 ! but between the Aprilia and the Honda, I'm gonna go with the Honda this summer, to park next to the Ninja in the garage. I love the Aprilia and agree with everything you said about it but I've heard horror stories about the service and reliability. Honda products are very reliable, so I'm going with the CBR.
me 2
@@PopsRacer61 you won't keep the Ninja once you've got the Honda. We've got both in the families and the Ninja feels like a cheap toy compared to the Honda and the engine sucks - runs out of steam very early whereas the Honda pulls all the way to 11k. Ninja is more comfortable, lighter and controls are lighter so it's nice to commute and filter on though, and looks much sportier than it really is.
Not gonna lie, Aprilia is gorgeous, but the CBR is the obvious answer, really good looking, nice price tag and let's face it, nothing can beat a Honda inline 4.
Thank you for specifying the seat height for each bike. I think it's one of the most important details, since for many bikers, whom are "vertically challenged", seat height is a deal braker / deal maker factor.
Same but for the opposite reasons. All the bikes I want are too small for me at 6’4 😭
I purchased an Aprilia RS660 about 6 months ago and it’s amazing, light, quick, comfortable and fun!
Have you had any problems?
This is a great bike class. I’ve ridden the Honda, Yamaha and Aprilia, but also the Trident and I must say the triple engine is very smooth and feels solid. The Aprilia was a very good steering bike, bit indeed my experience with Piaggio bikes is not that great for reliability. That is a shame, because they are great! Really curious about the Suzuki and Triumph, but right now, I would choose the Triumph!
For me, reliability wasn't the issue of the RS 660, but the network of dealership is, several reports from the owners where they have a hard time to find spare parts of it outside Italy.
Both Honda & Triumph have hit the balance right. Reliable, Performance driven and Good Looking bikes.
..and don't forget the sounds coming from those smooth 3 & 4 cylinders
Currently driving the latest version of CBR 150R V4. Planning an upgrade to CBR 650R once it is available here in Philippines. Honda's reliability is unmatched. I've had 3 Honda bikes the last 15 years; Wave 110, XRM 125, and TMX 125. These 3 never gave me any major issues.
CBR 650R for me as an upgrade soon!
Love your reviews but I'm an old man and can't lean over a tank anymore, LOL. I wouldn't pick any of these but it is a great video for those who indulge in sport machines like I once did.
..what do you mean old? I'm almost 63 and have a 2018 Ninja 650 (comfortable as hell) and will be adding the CBR 650 to the stable in a few months 😜
@@keithkamps77 the ninja body position is the same as a naked bike, really comfortable , looks much sportier than it actually is.
Own a ‘12 Ninja 650. Rode a ‘22. Faux clip-ons and digital screen aside, I don’t think an “upgrade” to it or later bikes feels warranted. Love my ‘12 because of its time. Not so much newer ones for the same reason
Well done for mentioning the seat heights - and the weights! It's important to me (lower the better!).
I agree with the RS660/Tuono660. Hard to 'raise the bar' for competitors, cuz of lower price. Newly minted, it takes everything from the RSVR & only needs heated grips (Hello Oxford!) to make it the perfect track bike & awesome on the street. It punches way above its weight. Weird, but I could've had a Triumph Street Triple 765 RS!!! We are in a revival, where tech, lightweight materials & improved performance is incredibly fast moving.
I love the way the apprilla looks and reviews are good but afraid of the reliability. The Daytona looks good but I think id go with the naked Honda 650 r for the 4 cylinder and Honda s reliability
Japanese in-line 4 Honda hands down reliability looks power
Honda has submitted patent applications for a new fully faired, clip-on equipped sportbike with the Hornet 755cc engine - the CBR750R is likely 18-24 months away...
Honda stopping the i4 would be sad news
@@ByronWWW another paralel twin budged sport bike like suzuki
My pick would be the Aprilia RS660. IMO it's the best pick for what you pay and what you get. Especially since I've not seen a single one sold at my dealership go for more than 10k all done out the door. As for reliability I've not heard either of my two friends who own one complain about reliability, only that they wish they had more money to afford a RSV4.
Hey mate, saw a lot of complains about the shifter and some issues here and there, i guess with italians its you and your luck :/
I have heard horror stories about that bike. Personally it is either CBR, GSX or Daytona that I would rather purchase.
Reliability horror stories are the fetish of youtube commenters, mostly made up from something they read years ago and has no relevance anymore
Just be aware that reliability wise it’s really bad. But riding wise it’s amazing
fuck the Aprilia vtwin garbage. Triumph and Honda for the win.
I had a ZX600 back in 1999 (great bike). I didn't know they'd changed to a twin engine before watching this video. And yet the 400cc remains a 4cylinder.
Theres a few different small/ middleweight ninjas at the minute:
Ninja 400rr (i4)
Ninja 400 (parallel twin)
Ninja 650 (parallel twin)
Ninja zx6r (i4)
ZX600 today would be more like the ZX6R, both are I4s and produce a ton of power at very high rpms. The Ninja 650 is another type of bike, more relax and less sporty.
There are 2 bikes at each engine size -
Ninja 400 2 cylinder
Ninja Zx4rr 4 cylinder
Ninja 650 2 cylinder
Ninja zx6r 4 cylinder
...that's 2 different bikes! In the UK the old ZZR 600 from the 1990s morphed into today's ZX6 r (the 636) The old Ninja ER6 from 2006 is essentially today's Ninja 650 (always been a 2 cylinder)
I’ve had a 2021 Aprilia RS660 for a year and it has been perfectly reliable
...let us know 3 yrs from now ! You shouldn't have any issues after just 1 yr.
Nice reviews. I started on a Ninja 250R and really liked it, so now have the '21 Ninja 650 which has been a lot of fun for what I'm looking for on the roads. Cool design, reliable brand, flickable, great 0 to 60 at 3.5 seconds, fuel efficient at about 200 miles per 4 gallon tank range for me. TFT display is great too. Lots of great competition for Kawasaki though. Thanks.
Nice! I have owned different Aprilia's troughout the years and they where all very reliable. Might be lucky, or people are just repeating what they heard from others.
The Aprilia is the King here for sure! 💥🤘🏼
When it s not in service waiting a new engine..
Good video, question for you, would you buy the RS660 or pay the extra for a Honda cbr600rr?
Been looking at a honda cbr650r but no test drives allowed at this place, I own a 22 Ninja 650 and happy with it just thinking out loud, I have a Versy 1000lt also which I put up for sale, enjoy all your vids so keep them coming, and thanks...
Really like the rs660 but my little legs make it a hard option. I picked the 2024 cbr650r. Just ordered one! Did consider the Daytona but don't like the dash and the fact they only paint half the bike. 👍
Just sold my 2023 CBR650R - brilliant bike.
2024 cbr650r looks great! Especially the updated rear styling. Im liking it alot.
@@radicalkonrad765 can't fit on the RS and the R has the same instrument panel I don't like and boring colours. Did look at them though.
@@radicalkonrad765 want the TFT and rear styling.
@@radicalkonrad765 new tail light so doesn't look at stubby. TFT and new front lights tbf. Also being my first bike in 30 years I wanted to buy a new one 👍
Out of this collection, Triumph is the no brainer. Different engine to test (different and bloody good). Bet it rides good, stops good too. And it'll just be scewed together well. Good dealer network.
I like the looks of the new cbr650 but i don't like the fact they didn't change anything about that engine. With what those bikes weigh they could use some better torque figures. On this list, my pick would be the Rs660 as well. It's just very good, though expensive. However the street triple RS keeps calling my name 😂
Was 100% gonna get the ninja 650 in April until today when I learned about the Daytona 660 which I will soon be on the waiting list for
i love R7 design and most appropriate for town daily bike. but man with that engine, the price is riddiculously high.. I think CBR650R is the best choice and worth the price..
You could’ve added the ZX-6R in the 600 cc segment… it’s the most powerful out of all of the ones you mentioned
Honda CBR 650R for me! I'm tall so Yamaha is out of the question. The ninja 650 is too meh and I never really thought about the 400. The Daytona would be a great pick but triumph frames tend to be compact. And of course the whole reliability question mark for the Aprilia.
Also this would be a daily commuter on a few twisties and 50 mph roads.
I was disappointed to see that the Triumph Daytona 660 hasn't got a squarish type tft display, and they are using the dull display from the other 660 models!
While I'd love to see a Liter bike reimagining from the KTM 990, I think that a Chinese made RC 790 would make the most sense from KTM. More of a 750cc road going class to compete with the emerging 650-750cc class bikes.
More horsepower than the rest, less weight, comparable or better tech, affordable price point. Would absolutely stomp the current competition.
Aprilia RS 660: 100 hp, 67 Nm, 0.48 hp/kg, $11,499
Suzuki GSX-8R: 83 hp, 78 Nm, 0.44 hp/kg, $9,439
Honda CB750 Hornet: 90.5 hp, 69 Nm, 0.47 hp/kg, $7,900~ (est)
Yamaha YZF-R7: 75 hp, 67 Nm, 0.41 hp/kg, $9,199
Triumph Daytona 660: 94 hp, 69 Nm, 0.47 hp/kg, $9,195
KTM Duke 790: 105 hp, 86 Nm, 0.53 hp/kg, $9,199
Im 6feet 3 which would you suggest.
Preference for four cylinders in this category. It would be hard to pick between the Honda CBR650 and Kawasaki ZX4RR.
If the ZX4RR isn't too uncomfortable with the racer crouch compared to the CBR650, then it would get the nod.
Alternatively (and a lot better value) I could find a lightly used Kawasaki ZX636!
Im a simple lad..i see honda cbr , i click
According to TST Industries, the YT channel that offers aftermarket products to almost bikes, the 8R fixed what's wrong with the 8S
I’m in the market for a new bike in this sector so perfect timing on the brilliant video.
I would say though that the pricing isn’t quite right as they’re not like for like bikes on features that are standard vs extras. E.g. Triumph has Bluetooth as optional extra while Honda has it as standard.
You missed the Honda CB600RR?
Probably the best looking of them all.
Great comparison in a class I love. A fairing for wind protection and looks but comfortable with useable power and affordable.
The GSX 8R has 15% more torque that the RS660 which is more useful for everyday riding than revy bhp. And the RS costs 27-32% more where I love, depending on the deals. That is the same as Street Triple R or RS, Z900SE or KTM890. Looks good and all those qualities, but not sure it is worth the money. I also found the standover a little high due to the wider front of the saddle and with short legs was left tip toed. Not what I like riding around an uneven hilly city.
The Daytona looks amazing and has enough power. Again the torque is down a on the GSX and the instrument screen/dash board looks terrible in my view. A Triumph blind spot. Same lame dash on the Tiger and Street triple R. The RS has a TFT but looney design with all numbers bar speed too small and the tach un-useable on the go. Someone talk to Triumph, please!
Would love to have the Aprilia but the price in my country converted to pounds is almost 13k. INSANE
For me zx400 rr in retro green ,blue and white.
You missed the Honda CBR600RR. Top of the list for me :D
the 600rr is more of a supersport than a sport bike
- not in the same category, that's really a track bike as are the Ninja ZX4 RR, Ninja ZX6r, GSXR 600and 750 ! those are track bikes that ppl can legally ride on the street. The one's in the video are sport touring bikes , mainly for the street.
Don’t be discouraged by the tier list format, you’ll have plenty of fun on all of these bikes, even the dopey ninja 650.
I have a Triumph Trident and love it and up until recent have been wanting to ride the RS 660 but now the Daytona came out I'm excited it's pretty simple to get down to two for me and to get to the one am I going to put it on a track or not if so RS 660 if I'm going to remain a weekend warrior I think the Daytona
Interesting vid. My pics would be the Daytona 660 & GSX8R with the ZX4RR as an honourable mention. RS660 is nice but it's a bit too expensive & the reliability is a question mark compared to all the other bikes on this list.
I’m interested in the gsx-8r. Upgrade the suspension and it’d be a well rounded do everything bike. Can’t wait till my local dealer gets one so I can go check it out.
@@cantwheelie_rob True, thought the same. Although the forks are going to be hard to upgrade due to the bar style & position so they'll need changing too if you've a cartridge kit or different fully adjustable forks with adjusters on top.
@@ragerider6283 I’m sure options will surface soon. That’s the good thing about Japanese bikes. Aftermarket mods are never an afterthought.
@@cantwheelie_rob True enough. Just got to be patient I guess.
i think it will be rs 660 followed by daytona 660 n then honda 650r top 3 best picks for anyone....i somehow feel daytona perfectly sits in the middle of value for money package if thy had added quick shifter in std package.....
Hey @motobob . Do you have review of the new CBR600RR on the way? I have one ordered which is to be delivered in about 2 months, but so far no reviews of the bike has been made. Seems strange that Honda has not shipped any bikes to be reviewed when it is so close to launch. Love your channel!
Nice one Bob. Still can’t work out why Honda decided to include a twist and go system for the CBR650R. If anything, I thought the CBR500R would have been the better choice.
Ofcourse you made it regarding to your country… duh. But for example im from turkey and since we have different import/export deals with european countries and uk, triumph is way cheaper than japanese brands, and for unknown reason kawa and suzuki are significantly expensive than yamaha and honda, so that really changes to dynamics of the list for us. But in mu heart i’ve been waiting for triumph to make what yamaha did with mt07 and r7 and make a sporty full fairing version of trident, which came out as daytona and upset some people but, they said they stopped daytona for good couple years ago. 660 daytona is better than non existent 675 daytona ❤️❤️
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The absolute king in this category is not mentioned unfortunately. Yes it’s the most expensive but if you want a bike with the most power, best features and best looks, then you absolutely have to look at Ducati SuperSport 950S.
20 years ago any 600cc calling its self a sports bike with less than 115bhp would have been laughed out of the showroom.
The ZX4RR is crippled in North America to about 50HP for some reason. You need an ECU flash to unlock the full power.
Love to get a review on the cbr650RR!
if you are getting feed back ref reliability with Aprilla, it may be interesting too know more!
Just look at the comments. They're all very vague like, "I have heard a horror story". But no one has ever seemed to have experienced one commenting. Or "Italian's, something, something ". That old trope from the 1990s. I think it would be irresponsible for him to say any more than he did.
How about the most favorite stunt bike Kawi ZX6R?
Thats a different category . In fact the zx4rr shouldn’t have even been mentioned in this video. Different style of riding, it’s essentially a mini zx6r. But I’d love to have one.
I’m waiting for the 2024 Honda CBR650R to come to the US
The best middle weight sportbike is still the ZX-6R now that the R6 is gone. Then followed by the updated CBR600RR that is now fitted with IMU. These 2 bikes have not received major updates for ages but they are still the best and most powerful middleweight, and also they are true sportsbike (aggressive riding position, high revving engines).
Those are Supersports. The video is about middleweight sports bikes.
What does it for me really is the size. Im just looking for *an* A2 bike and im 194/6'4. The suzukis (gsx8r and 8s) are both the best fitted for me in the class it seems.
But then again the triumph also looks really interesting and like it might fit even though it is smaller. But my point is that almost everything i look at seems cramped and i rarely ever see that talked about as a factor in bike reviews. I get that not everyone is as tall as me, but only being told to get an adventure bike also sucks.
Free Advice for people watching this video and are hoping to get a middle displacement Superbike please, "wait for the CFmoto 675 SS/SR".
what's you opinion on zx6r?
2 motnhs later, GSX8R is the new star of the show.
Not the best for the hardcore enthusiast, but for everyone else.
I will put a reservation for the cbr 600rr.
The RS660 is the leader in sheer performance and tech, although the Daytona 660 might be better for riders more geared towards commuting/city riding. Will be interesting to see how CFMotos new 675 triple will stack up against these. I think throwing the CFMoto 800 (KTM 790) twin into a sport chassis similar to the 450SS would be a killer option as well. Suzuki missed the mark on the GSX-8 with non adjustable suspension and almost 40lbs heavier than the R7.
Would like to see where the new CBR600RR would be on this list.
Now all things considered guys would you take the Ninja 650 or Tuono 660??
I'm kinda surprised one can still find as many as 7 middleweight sportbike
Only thing making me not to consider the GSX is the looks ngl
I wish they made those Aprilia’s for tall people 😢
Aprilla reliability fucks it all up
Middle sport: 650
Middle naked: 900😅
Who needs traction control on a sub 100hp bike
Calling that 660 a Daytona is an embarrassment for the 675R or the 765R!
My rs660 hasn’t given me any problems. That was the first year it had problems
We are so spoiled for choice these days. Even beginners have the RS457 and CFMOTO 450SRS coming up.
So what your saying is…the Ninja 650 is the KLR 650 of sport bikes 🤔
Gimme the Daytona 660. Every time. Any day.
Why was the ZX6R not part of the list? If it's the price point or because it's a supersport, the Aprilia shouldn't be here either.
What about ZX-6R AND CBR600RR???
Get that ancient ninja 650 out of here!
Anyone who says Aprilia isn't reliable never had one
I have a 2006 Aprilia rs125 with 44k km on its and its showing its first problems
CBR650r someday!
Assuming you can afford any of the list then, RS600 full stop
Why did you include the new CBR600 rr and the Kawi 636??
Those are super sports aka street legal race bikes with the more cramped leaned forward ergonomics and wicked peaky high revving engines, not standard sport bikes. The ZX4RR has more approachable street friendly ergonomics despite having the peaky engine…
@@sleeper.simulant7327 I disagree the title was best middle weight sport bikes.
@@kennedyracing7527 the bikes listed are middleweight sports bikes, 1 level up from like a Ninja 300 or R3. The bikes you referred to are super sports. More money, more aggressive, a lot faster…
The ninja 650 is not the 636 nor is the 400rr and the CBR650r is not the cbr600rr completely different bikes bud not even in the same class
@@Slayer66037 I know they’re way better than these other Middleweight
Why are you not including Kawasaki ZX6R?
Cbr 650🔥🔥🔥
Its a shame Aprilia priced themselves out of the market. Even with frequent discounts, 33% more than a GSX-8R.
The Triumph should have been called something else, it's not a Daytona
what about zx6r 😢
Isn’t the Ninja ZX6R a middleweight?
where is the king at the zx6r
Yamaha bring back the R6 !!!
Forgot the best two: Hornet 750, and the cbr600-rr
I just don't understand the point in buying a slow motorcycle. Why not just buy a Vespa and save yourself some money?
ZX6r?
I’ll pass of Triumph products. They are known for having too many reliability issues. The features and looks are great-but the expense of the purchase plus breaking too often-the Japanese bikes are a better bet.