GENSTONE!!! Good and Bad Updates too!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ต.ค. 2024
- So we started the Gentsone and it looks great! But we have some bad news on our front door, some ok news on our garage doors, and some good news on our interior doors!!
/ neckofthewoods2020
Love, love, love the stone! I think a contrast on the garage gable end would look better because it’s such a large area.
Sandy I agree wit you on the garage gable.
I think I agree.
I just bought some of the GenStone. I thought about a relief cut along the back and top of the top ledge pieces to accept a larger bead of caulking. Then I thought about adding angle flashing before installing the siding just to help with rain etc and keep it running on the outside of the house and down to the ground. Theses also red guard you can add to the exterior before the GenStone install to add some moisture barrier along with the house barrier wrap.
I regret it now cause I installed it wrong but install was easy vs some real stone or fake stone. I’m sure one day we’ll have to replace
@@neckofthewoods24may I ask why you regret the genstone?
@@firebird5288 it shrunk. HUGE gaps. Genstone said it was my fault by not using caulking but I did caulk the upper beveled trip piece. Gaps still opened up to like 1/4” and needed caulked again. Some of the main panels are like 1/2” gaps. It’s just a trash product that costs double real stone or even fake concrete stone.
Have you ever tried working with evolve stone? @@neckofthewoods24
I can’t believe that door. I sure hope you charged it on a good charge card that will dispute the product.
The house is lookjng good, I think for $10,000 you can find a finish carpenter to make you a custom door. I had the same problem, and went the custom door route. Good luck!
only thing with custom is a real wood door is poor on insulation. this door with foam basically with outside vinyl or something, im not sure someone could just make that. we're kinda between a rock and a hard place.
I found that if it's about 1"3/4" solid wood it's good insulation. Just takes some maintenance. Should be able to find someone to do it for about $6000. And it could match the beautiful inside doors.
@@tomjulian1525 that’s only R-1.75 give or take a .10 or so for different wood species. Not good insulation at all.
Stone looks great and happy for all the hardwork
thanks, i agree!
The stone looks amazing. I hope the door manufacturer can meet your expectations, but if not I guess a different cheaper door would do if you really want to get your home completed faster and more secured since more thunder storms are likely to occur now since it's getting warmer. Can't wait to see more accomplishments on your TH-cam channel. Keep up the good work!
I don’t think we need a cheaper door, I just can’t figure out how a cheap fiberglass and insulated door costs $10k!! It’s just insane. And thanks, we’ll keep cracking at it!
A lot of good quality doors have a seam near the bottom of the jam because they use a more weather resistant material, like fiberglass, to prevent rotting issues. Matt Risinger did an entire video about doors not too long ago, might be worth a watch.
i believe this door is all vinyl or fiberglass, no wood to rot etc. ill watch though.
One the gable end I like your idea of a horizontal trim then something different above that. Good idea.
Thanks, I think so too. Hopefully we can find something that goes well together.
@@neckofthewoods24cedar shingles my vote
The quality of that door looks as if they had a jr. high shop class build that frame. Send that picture to the CEO and ask him/her what they are trying to pull. Fire that company and get money back. No way does it look like a $10,000 door. I feel your pain.
haha. agreed. at least our seller agrees and is trying his best not to receive the door from the warehouse. one more chance i think and we are done. i want to be done now but not sure who to go with.
Hey Fred! I used borrowed your words this morning when I sent another email letting them know how we feel about the door! The part about the shop class....Thanks!!👍🏻
I'd send that door back. After all the hassle and the cost they suggest modifying your frame? How about they actually get it right. That'd be like your garage door guy saying to lower your vehicle because they put in the wrong sized door.
I told them we want progress pics immediately. And that they are not to ship the door until we see it. Supposedly they have some custom woodwork team on it now🙄
Oh.. well.. I'm sure that'll solve everything! (don't slip in the sarcasm :P )
haha exactly. i think erin is done so we'll see what happens now.
Just a thought on your garage ceiling trim piece to consider. If you paint it black - it will read with the ceiling. If you go with the wall color - it will read with the wall. It might disappear more if it were wall color - with the strong black line as it transitions to ceiling helping to not really see it at all - if that is your goal. Just a thought. If uncertain - you could always paint with the wall - and if you don't like - come back with some black over the top. Harder to do that in reverse due to color bleed through.
Black should help it blend in I think because the ceiling is not smooth. While they dont have the contour, instead of ending flat you end with 1 more “rib” that should finish it. I don’t know but we’ll see.
The stone looks great.
thanks! we agree.
You may want to look into ceiling mounted Big Ass Fans to drive the heat and cooling down in your garage.
A friend has them in his race shop and they are amazing.
in combination with a minisplit yes?
Big Ass being an actual brand name .
The stone is fabulous I absolutely love it! All the way up with the board and batton. Don't know about air vents. As for front door give it Back thats an absolute joke for $10.000 absolutely no way I'd except that!! I'd rather go to lowes lol 😆
agreed! im surprised the seller isnt trying to sell us another brand they carry at this point! it'll be easy to go all the way up if we go LP Smart side. but if we go fiber cement i dont think it'll look good since the panels are really short. we'll have to many seam breaking it up then.
Stone is a great idea but I would stay away from limestone as it is an alkaline and is not safe for some materials. They also make a thin rain screen mesh plastic that comes in Rolls that would be the easy way to install behind all and is around 1/4 thick that is made for cider shingles and behind mortar brick or wood to make an air gap behind. I have a Therma Tru door with side lights in my house and they were great except for the Hinges which I had them replace with roller bearing hinges and it was only $2700 from Lowes. It was foam filled fiber glass with aluminum trim.
Makes sense. And yeah no limestone!
Some people switch to horizontal lap siding on the gable end.
im more on the cedar shake style like our shed. just have to see if she agrees.
If I’m not mistaken it appears that you didn’t caulk each piece after install around the outer horizontal and vertical edge before placing the next panel. Just screwing them in I suspect would create future issues.
Won’t that create gaps in the product later once they settle?
It’s so bad you can see the wall. Glue wasn’t stopping 1/2” on each side.
1. Keep house attic separated
2. Send the door back. Ran into an issue with a pivot door, we had the option of full return or they could send another to replace it. We opted for replacement but wish we had just gone with another company. 3 years later the door isn’t holding up.
3. I’d keep the board and batten all the way up on the gable end (go with the LP 16’ers). I think another horizontal brake in your wall will cause the wall to look segmented and layered instead of grand. With the GenStone at 48” that gives a focal point while the vertical siding will give the eye a place to rest. You don’t want it too busy with garage doors and 3 different siding looks (in my opinion)
Ty for sharing it 💜⚘🍦⚘💚
No problem 😊
I just returned a truck load of Genstone because the pieces did not match and the seams were very noticeable. Some of the flat pieces were not numbered and I was not impressed with their quality.
100%. Was ok till it wasn’t. Big regret and SO expensive for what it is!!
What cost more the paint on water proofing or the zip? I know you used more of the paint on just wondering if it was 50/50 witch would be cheaper.
Hmm good question. I think the paint was $90-$100 for 5 gallons and I got maybe 14 total? Can’t remember. The zip was zip R 1” so thats not true zip as most just get the regular sheathing. With prices back to normal again it’s hard to say. I covered a ton or wall though with that paint!
If they will install 1 garage door do it... they will give parts of yours to another project. See window issues.
Lol o great! Probably!
The stone look amazing
Thank you! We agree!
Yes cut the air channel better vent,ditch that 10,000 door hire a Amish guy to build you custom oak door for way cheaper ,yes genstone all the way around ,are u going with the closed foam insulation in the house I never heard you say peace be with
How would I do that for the venting??
As for real wood the issue is the insulation! That’s a 8x8 opening almost and wood would only be R2.5 if I’m lucky!! That’s a huge heat loss and gain!
In the house, do you mean the ceiling?
Looks amazing!!
Thank you!
Genstone recommends a caulking between pieces for water sealing. Did you do this?
Nope. I never heard the water sealing but to keep them together. I doubt it’d of kept them together as I have gaps at 1/2” now. Where I didn’t have caulking on the top pieces, those are at about 1/4” and pulled the caulking apart so I had to recaulk. Definitely a waste of money!
Just found you channel researching the Genstone, watched with interest about the installation. Previously watched a video from Genstone about the " proper installation process" they ran a bead of caulk across the the flange before installing the next piece. You stated that you have gaps of 1/4 inch between the panel and ledger. That will need to be recaulked. Since its been a year or more do you regret the choice of using the Genstone product. Looking for honest feedback, as its a big expense to lay out for a product failure.
Board and Batten all the way to the top...no horizontal spacer ...all one piece on the cable end
Wait till you see then end product! I think it’s a amazing.
For $10,000 dollars that door should be perfect. Get your money back...
Agree!! It’s insane for a cheap fiberglass insulated door.
Great job.
Thanks but don’t use this stuff! Ended up being terrible.
Could be a Good Genstone commercial , Yeah Good looking Product! Maybe make a drawing what the siding would look like? to have visual of the design .
my choice would be ALL shake style above the stone , real Cedar shingles or vinyl look Shakes, 2 products not 3 on one side . makes the wall look taller .
Nice Alder doors!, $10k ??! Not acceptable ! new door jamb or money back!
and i still need more! $$$. wish id get paid for that commercial haha.
ALL shake? we definitely want board and batten for the majority of the wall and all of the front and back of the house. im fine with an upper triangle shake look for the gables.
how is the Genstone a year later?
Horrible. Shrunk about 1/2” on all sides. I know I didn’t caulk like I should of but no caulk in the would is holding back this level of shrinking. My upper slop pieces I did caulk and they still shrunk and pulled away from the caulking and look like crap.
Did you purchase the genstone from a local lumber yard or from the genstone directly?
from them directly. they first gave us and everyone at the time 5% off but then they gave us like 2% more.
I definitely bought it direct when we did our clients home three weeks ago and again last week and actually in the middle of installing it on another’s
How bad can you see the vertical and horizontal lines from where the genstones meet? Is it super noticeable?
It’s horrible. They all shrunk like 1/2”. It’s no bad now! Stuffs junk.
Cedar shingles look really good.
thanks. the price on the other hand, not so good.
I'm building a raised garden bed using 8x16 cinder blocks. How would I attach the genstone to the cinder block? I worry using tapcon screws would crack the block and adhesive may not hold long term. Has anyone done this on cinder blocks ?
With how expensive they are, I bet it’s cheaper to just do stonework and add on one you like with mortar and cement and it’ll last forever! This stuffs junk.
@@neckofthewoods24 I agree after looking into how much to do just a small 8.5 ft x 4ft area..their price is ridiculous
@@A.C.71 100%. And it’s won’t last. It’s horrible stuff.
@@neckofthewoods24 Does lowes carry some kind of rock I can use?
@@A.C.71 they carry a ton. just make sure to use the correct mortar and grout for the product you buy.
What is the point of sealing up the building envelope with Zip system, just to poke a 1000 holes in it with the façade? Seems a bit pointless.
The GenStone has a shingle affect for install and the screws are caulked after so it’s sealed. The screws into the zip are technically not sealed behind the GenStone but the garage is spray foamed to the screws are sealed from the inside. I don’t think there’s any product in the world besides stucco where you don’t put a nail or screw through your facade.
Stone looks great! How many pieces come in a box?
Brick ledge 4, straights I think 8, corners I think 4.
Paid for 9000 door from loews replaced second so so
Love the door we bought but first one looked like sloppily made
That’s no good! Is anything made good anymore??
Can you do a review on Versetta Stone?
@@forerunner7 I could I but don’t have any. It’d probably be better than this stuff.
Great video. Looking to use GenStone on a BBQ island outside. How has it held up? Would you use it again? Thanks!
No. It shrunk and looks bad. They say I was supposed to caulk/glue the ends but it’s shrunk so much it wouldn’t have helped!! It’s also SO EXPENSIVE! Go real faux stone where you can nail or use hidden screws and a shiplap way
Well, that sucks. But thanks for letting me know! Will go a more traditional route then. Thank you.
@@bignickcalderon No problem!!
i want to buy this stuff for my foundation its just so damn expensive.looks great though
It sucks though. Don’t do it. Go real or fake real stone.
Get a refund if those are the errors in "craftmanship" they are owning up to the good Lord only knows what is hidden. Kind of suprised you didn't use the blue waterproofing behind the genstone i assume there is a reason for that, but it looks good. I think the same sideing to the peak looks better but your missus will make the final choice and tell you what to do. Take care, God bless one and all.
I didn’t use the Rub-R-Wall there cause the Zip has that type of waterproofing already on it. I could have doubled it up but I’m fairly confident it’ll be ok. And yes, you’re right haha, she’ll tell me what to do there.
@@neckofthewoods24 My missus got me a printed t-shirt once she had printed with " I wear the trousers in my family because my wife said so!"
Exactly.
@@neckofthewoods24 I believe what you are looking at on the bottom of the door jamb is a vinyl block that sits on the threshold to keep it from rotting out of jambs and it was painted to match.
Not uncommon for the seams on the bottom
@@patrickjohnson7801 hmm, didnt think about that but they replaced and fixed it so its all 1 now. but thats a reason i did a step up into the house on all sides. keeps snow and rain off the door since its 7" up.
Have you ever tried Evolve Stone?
Nope but anything is probably better than Genstone.
😮
Did you caulk the shiplap areas of the genstone? Did you use landscaping adhesive on backs of panels?
Nope
This door is a joke, right? They only want to troll you, right?
It’s feeling like it!😡
I’m not sure! I’m not comfortable with the price for what it is! I don’t think fiberglass and insulation should cost that much! It should be a 1/3rd the cost of a real wood door but those are 1/2 the cost!
Where’s the TyVek housewrap? No clue why that simple step is completely ignored on this home.
Lol where would I have added it? To the water proof foam or the water proof OSB?
Get.Your. Money. Back.
ha, yeah right. they'd screw us big time if we really tried that.
Their job is to keep the customer happy. For the amount of money you are paying there is no way you should have to accept a product that looks like crap. It’s either done right or refund the thousands of dollars they are charging. For that much it should be perfect!
@@lesismor54 I have asked repeatedly for pics from the warehouse showing how the door currently looks. Interesting I have yet to receive a response. I told them do NOT ship that door without sending pics first! I’m not dealing with trying to return a door that is subpar.
@@HorsesandPorsches, I don’t know how much bigger your front door is than ours, but ours is fiberglass. Pella was great to work with and did a great job installing it for a total of $5500.
@@lesismor54 We need all the suggestions we can get. Our front door is pretty big plus it has sidelights.
This guy talks wayyyyyyyyyyyy too much. I want to see the product
lots more to come!
You do something wrong 😅
Apparently but it wouldn’t matter.