On some 3 cylinder locos, Bulleids in particular, you can get a situation where they are effectively "middled" and won't move forwards. You then have to reverse a little way to get the cranks off the dead spot and then add steam to set off in the correct direction.
Yeah, stopped with one cylinder at dead centre, fully forward or fully back. only one cylinder is therefore able to provide thrust, the other cylinder is passed it's best position for providing thrust. With the drains open, pressure is not building sufficiently in the one cylinder to move the train. The answer is, shut the drains or a short reverse to get the offending cylinder in a better position to provide thrust and so have two making thrust. It happens a lot with 3 cylinder locos. You've probably seen it happen with an A4 or Scotsman and 35028 on the mainline.
I never even thought about a piston dead centre, I did think that closing off the drain cocks would have helped but didn’t seem to do it so guessed I was wrong.
It's a difficult call. If the cylinders are stone cold then the drains must be open to let out the condensed water or damage can ensue if the piston tries to compress water. The short reverse usually works best.@@KevsTrains
@@44950 Interesting problem solving, comment much appreciated. I'm no expert but surely is that was the issue then after a couple of revolutions the cylinders should get back into sync and thrust returns. Or is that not the answer?
@@rarerufus8864 I agree, once it was moving then the position of the crank problem has gone, and it should have picked up some speed. Looked like it was choking with smoke, far more than normal. Not enough heat from fire and low boiler pressure. Just a guess.
@44950 Yep it was stuck on TDC. The same problem happened to Clan Line on its return to main line steam in 2017. I was on the Bournemouth Belle that day it was pulling out of Waterloo. The driver had to put it into reverse, then into forward gear, then it was ok, but it did have the benefit of a Class 67 diesel gently pushing at the back to get it's 500 plus tons on the drawbar out of Waterloo!
Quite a number of arm-chair drivers making comments here. It is a classic TDC issue. Of course, people will already be hitting the keyboard in response, but I was a Passed Driver on heritage line steam for about 15 years. Taw Valley has a history of slipping on leaving Bridgenorth - there are clips on TH-cam of old incidents. It is an entirely lawful movement to reverse slightly, provided the train is safe, under the rules pertaining to steam. Modern traction has different rules, mainly because this problem does not exist now. Finally, each driver has his or her own quirks. The point all the critics are missing is that the train departed safely.
Totally agree,we used to have the same issue if one of our drivers stopped one of our Beam engines on TDC,some unlucky bugger would have to bar it over off TDC so it could start itself.
Also it’s pulling away on wet rails on a 1 in 100 grade, but Brian is right, it used to happen in BR days I’ve been told. As one of the MPD volunteer staff you get used to seeing the little quirks of the locos.
Loving the wartime Southern black livery despite the fact the loco would never have worn it in its rebuilt form. Taw Valley looks very smart and purposeful in black.
Cold locomotive, just needed a bit of extra time to get the steam to the cylinders. Damp rail, the driver handled the departure very well. No need to reverse slightly and no slipping.
No, not just "get to" the cylinders, "warm" the cylinders so that the steam warms them enough that the steam doesn't just condense on them and cause a hydraulic lock.The drain cocks are open to allow the flow of the steam and condensate.
She's like an Angsty teen who just got out of bed early and is still tired, I can practically hear her going "Fiiiinnnee, I'll pull the train, you guys are the woooorssst, why can't you get Hagley or Erlestoke to do this?!!? UUUUGH!!!"
Those with footplate experience are on the right track. Might also be compounded by low boiler pressure. Lot of unburnt coal on the fire by the look of the exhaust.
Stopped with cylinders in a 'reluctant to move' alignment and coaxed forwards to gain use of all three cylinders. Possibly just an extremely cautious departure to avoid slipping but it was SO slow it seemed odd, especially withe huge plume of exhaust. Wonder how the journey unfolded. Possibly just unhappy wearing black, which they never did...
She wasn't, apparently, given enough time to properly warm up, but the driver did a beautiful job of letting her move herself and get things rolling. Experience pays! Fireman didn't do a bad job with a relatively cold firebox and boiler, either. Did they get a late start on the days operations? ❤
@@KevsTrainsCould it then be that she's got a piston slightly out of adjustment? I know that doesn't happen often. When I was a kid, I used to visit an uncle who lived across the street from the B&O Connellsville yard, and my cousins and I would go over to the yard office and listen to the old timers talk about old times. Engines were a frequent subject, along with their quirks. I remember them talking about 1 that had just come out of its 1400 hour check and was running like new. Prior to the check she had a reputation for being difficult to start and slipping. It was reported that they found 1 cylinder's piston very slightly out of line or something. Fixing it made her a new engine. I know it's very difficult to get inside the cylinder to check, especially when there is no apparent external evidence. She is such a beautiful machine, to be giving this stubborn trouble. I pray the mechanical guys can find an fix what's troubling her.
When I first saw the start I though oh she's stuck on dead center and driver has reversed a bit to get her off dead center. As she went forwards the second time that's what I think happened for if she still went in reverse then that a problem with the valve gear. That happened to her on a series of mainline runs on the North Wales coast in the 1990's. She was in Llandudno Junction station in full forward gear but continued to go in reverse. What was worse was it was a press run and Clan Line was substituted although with the press being fed loads of booze I doubt they even noticed the engine had been changed. She looks nice in the black livery with sunshine lettering and I wonder if one day they'll paint her in malachite green with sunshine lettering. She's been painted in all sorts of unauthentic liveries over the years from maroon with the nameplate Hogwarts Express in the hope that she would be the engine to be used in the Harry Potter films but the producers thought she looked too modern for their films. She's been painted in purple for the late queens seventy years of reign. BR green of course and now black so malachite and BR blue are future liveries perhaps. Canadian Pacific was in BR blue at one stage so why not Taw Valley
It's some South American coal. Its not that good compared to the Welsh coal and we can no longer get hold of Welsh coal as the final mine in Wales has now been forced to close by the climate activists.
Yep thanks to doing our bit for net zero then welsh coal not available as the mine closing. West Somerset reckons burn 30% more coal from South America compared to welsh coal and you also have the marine emissions of shipping from South America. So a 1/3 extra coal being burned with extra emissions and extra transport. Tick box environmentalists at their finest. Yes we need to protect the environment but don’t see closing the welsh mine or not allowing other UK mine to provide suitable coal as being better then importing coal that have to burn more of and transport emissions🤦♂️
@@michaelmcnally2331 They are even sabotaging Teslas thinking they are SUVs which shows the measure of intelligence underlying all this. The UK going zero carbon will scarcely make an iota of difference to global carbon output. This net zero cult is all just the dumb idle rich finding something to do without any real clue of how any of it works.
@michaelmcnally2331 yep it's a complete and utter joke. The bio Ecoal is also a option but its very expensive and judging by some of the Ecoal we use in our fire at home it's not great.
All the talk about "one (or two) of the cylinders not working (due to the crank positions) doesnt hold any water (pun unintended) once the driving wheels have made 1/3 of a rev. That will bring another cylinder into use, and ditto for the next 1/3 of a rev., and so on.
Was at a heritage railway last year talking to the train crew the great western locos don't run well on coal from overseas they were designed to run on Welsh steam coal and with the mine as fros y fran in Merthyr now closed the future can be a problem with no source of coal now here in Wales 🏴
What kind of coal is it that Wales has/had that is different from any other available source? Is it harder coal (more like an anthracite) or is it just the amount of btu’s that can be obtained based on its chemical composition? I’ve seldom seen actual coal so I’m interested to understand the differences when it comes to using it for railway steam engines.
@@KevsTrains if I recall correctly, she’s due for overhaul this year, believe she’s going in after the gala, pretty bummed out that I won’t get to see her in steam for a while
The turning moment of a 24" stroke on a high wheeled steam loco is always a problem. A 28" stroke would make the loco more sure footed and more agile in a standing start.
Looks like they were just warning up the cylinders with the drain cocks open making certain their was no condensed water in the cylinders, yo don't want hydraulic locking to occur.
This engine is know to slip. So driver just taking it easy. In 1950s i really doubt it would have been used on SVR branch line. But we all love , noise , smell and visual display
Where does this idea of a cold locomotive come from, trains both passenger and goods ran to a schedule. The engine was prepared by the fireman for the work involved in a departure.
Believe it or not but when a loco starts off on a run it is "cold" until the engine warms up. Just because there is a fire in it, doesn't mean it is to temperature. The steam warms the cylinders up hence why the drain taps are open to begin with so that the steam doesn't condense too much and crack a cylinder cover, secondly the fire won't be up to temperature. As more air flows up and through the fire the firebox temperature will increase and thus it becomes somewhat easier to manage when you have a greater amount of heat in the metalwork. So yes, you can have a cold engine
Just like a cold car engine. Starts cold, water temperature warms up first but engine is still cold, oil temperature might not follow along and only be warmed up after 20 - 30 minutes driving.
Driver has opened regulator, released the brake and the loco hasn’t taken power and rolled back, driver applied brake, tried to take power again and still nothing, so shut off regulator and tried again, she eventually started to move but didn’t have a lot of power to pull up the hill, believed that one piston was centred so couldn’t build up pressure so loco technically only using one which is why it’s so slow. That is my own interpretation of what went wrong.
This is when,as a guard, you need to be on your toes. Late ariving passengers may atempt to bpard. and if the loco needs to set back you might SPAD WITH THE REAR OF THE TRAIN
As a porter, I hate it when there's a significant delay between getting the right-away and actually moving off. Trying to placate late-arriving passengers who want to board. Then the guard gets off and walks up the platform to see what's happening, and when he's half-way up the loco gets going... 😅
Looks like she stopped on center or close to it, so you're only getting one cylinder to start the whole train until the other one can get in and do any work.
@@doughunt9621yes, the problem is, if you look at the position of the rods, the left hand cylinder is just coming onto lead, while the centre one will be past the point of cut off, so doing nothing, so only the right cylinder is doing anything
It can be quite difficult getting out of there, particularly if the rail is wet. If the train is moving, it's sometimes better to leave things alone, no matter how slow, until the loco is over Cleobury road bridge.
@@KevsTrainsKev, you clearly have not got much experience in seeing cold steam locos getting underway. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this engine.
Watching from the line side is one thing. Have you ever handled one? I am guessing the answer to that is no. Cold engine and great handling by the crew
How was that stubborn? I am guessing it is the first run of the day for the loco. Expertly handled, no slipping that I could detect and away it went with no fuss.
@@britishgypsum4347 did you miss the two roll backs? Or that it wouldn’t take power? Was shut off completely then reopened, then eventually started to move. Definitely not expertly handled.
Strange situation. No experienced train crew would experience this. Somewhere something is missing. What? Once a steam loco blow a valve making one cylinder useless. Towing the train was done. Then towing the loco home. During the night a new valve was made, installed, and the last screws installed just before departure.
So why a rebuilt West Country in Southern War time colours? Just silly. Otherwise I rate the Rebuilt West Countries the most beautiful locomotives ever built.
Yep manor, halls castles, all built for devon banks in mind, just look at how a castle or manor or hall will take off from painton up that long bank to cherston, and a4 and flying scotsman couldnt get up there with out a gwr 280 or a class 25 pushing them!!
I found this quite worrying, I have read the comments of the more expert people who know more about engines than I do. So why wouldn't they wait till she was ready, was it to do with other scheduled trains? I do hope that she got better speeds eventually. I love steam engines so much makes me sad when they don't seem to be having a good day.
Looks like can't shut off front blowers pretty much :( Problem with these mighty engines of yesteryear is they never ever get to blow the cobwebs out the system running at such slow speeds most the time and thus wear patterns are abnormal as they are never run to limit. You see this with city cars that never go past 30mph, the cylinder wear is abnormal due to the limit never getting close and you get tapered cylinders. Back in the day, most mainline steam before back to duty after maintaining, would be given a good hard run on a line there and back to shake all the insides into place.
That isn't leaking steam. The drain taps are open on the cylinders which is correct for when you set off with a cold engine to remove any water that has condensed until the cylinders warm up.
@KevsTrains You have a lot to say on this matter, so tell us, exactly what practical experience have you got with steam locos? Specifically Bulleid Pacifics. (and I don't mean making TH-cam videos of them!)
An experienced driver would only leave the taps open if there was a reason to do so. Can't remember seeing an engine operated in this manner without there being a problem.
An experienced driver with a cold loco would leave the taps open as long as poss on first departure, engine will still be wet and wouldn't want it to carry over if it goes into a slip
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Text book departure with a cold locomotive, 8 carriages on and NO wheel slipping either. A demonstration of an experienced driver in charge!
Definitely not a text book departure, rolled back twice.
it rolled back less than 1/4 of a wheel when the steam brake was released. @@KevsTrains
@@pjd7325 correct, actually rolled twice and shouldn’t have rolled back at all though. On mainline that’s an operational incident.
On some 3 cylinder locos, Bulleids in particular, you can get a situation where they are effectively "middled" and won't move forwards. You then have to reverse a little way to get the cranks off the dead spot and then add steam to set off in the correct direction.
I drive locos on the mainline and I’m also an instructor, and this was far from text book!
Yeah, stopped with one cylinder at dead centre, fully forward or fully back. only one cylinder is therefore able to provide thrust, the other cylinder is passed it's best position for providing thrust. With the drains open, pressure is not building sufficiently in the one cylinder to move the train. The answer is, shut the drains or a short reverse to get the offending cylinder in a better position to provide thrust and so have two making thrust. It happens a lot with 3 cylinder locos. You've probably seen it happen with an A4 or Scotsman and 35028 on the mainline.
I never even thought about a piston dead centre, I did think that closing off the drain cocks would have helped but didn’t seem to do it so guessed I was wrong.
It's a difficult call. If the cylinders are stone cold then the drains must be open to let out the condensed water or damage can ensue if the piston tries to compress water. The short reverse usually works best.@@KevsTrains
@@44950 Interesting problem solving, comment much appreciated. I'm no expert but surely is that was the issue then after a couple of revolutions the cylinders should get back into sync and thrust returns. Or is that not the answer?
@@rarerufus8864 I agree, once it was moving then the position of the crank problem has gone, and it should have picked up some speed. Looked like it was choking with smoke, far more than normal. Not enough heat from fire and low boiler pressure. Just a guess.
@44950 Yep it was stuck on TDC. The same problem happened to Clan Line on its return to main line steam in 2017. I was on the Bournemouth Belle that day it was pulling out of Waterloo. The driver had to put it into reverse, then into forward gear, then it was ok, but it did have the benefit of a Class 67 diesel gently pushing at the back to get it's 500 plus tons on the drawbar out of Waterloo!
Quite a number of arm-chair drivers making comments here. It is a classic TDC issue. Of course, people will already be hitting the keyboard in response, but I was a Passed Driver on heritage line steam for about 15 years. Taw Valley has a history of slipping on leaving Bridgenorth - there are clips on TH-cam of old incidents. It is an entirely lawful movement to reverse slightly, provided the train is safe, under the rules pertaining to steam. Modern traction has different rules, mainly because this problem does not exist now. Finally, each driver has his or her own quirks. The point all the critics are missing is that the train departed safely.
It did depart safely, you’re bang on correct.
Totally agree,we used to have the same issue if one of our drivers stopped one of our Beam engines on TDC,some unlucky bugger would have to bar it over off TDC so it could start itself.
Also it’s pulling away on wet rails on a 1 in 100 grade, but Brian is right, it used to happen in BR days I’ve been told. As one of the MPD volunteer staff you get used to seeing the little quirks of the locos.
Used to have it happen regularly with Bodmin and canpac they're a bugger for it a sniff of reverse sorts it
@@peterswales2360 aye, a push back would do it.
Class renowned for wheel slip. Losing her feet leaving Waterloo a classic photograph. Hail the sand!
Loving the wartime Southern black livery despite the fact the loco would never have worn it in its rebuilt form. Taw Valley looks very smart and purposeful in black.
"Okay, I'm pulling it! What more do you want?!"🤣
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Cold locomotive, just needed a bit of extra time to get the steam to the cylinders. Damp rail, the driver handled the departure very well. No need to reverse slightly and no slipping.
You'd think that the driver would have that kind of feedback through gauges.
@@BeeRich33 guages are useful, but at the end of the day nowt better tha using your senses to get a steam loco moving, eyes, ear and feel
hense why he was not looking out. You notice that regulator is being pumped to control the steam going into the steam chest @@BeeRich33
No, not just "get to" the cylinders, "warm" the cylinders so that the steam warms them enough that the steam doesn't just condense on them and cause a hydraulic lock.The drain cocks are open to allow the flow of the steam and condensate.
She's like an Angsty teen who just got out of bed early and is still tired, I can practically hear her going "Fiiiinnnee, I'll pull the train, you guys are the woooorssst, why can't you get Hagley or Erlestoke to do this?!!? UUUUGH!!!"
Fantastic description 😂😂😂
Wow, that's even slower than my Sky broadband!
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Try the Australian Internet! Even slower! 😂
@@GaryNumeroUno 🤣🤣
I hear you, buddy 😂😂😂
@@wildphil64 😂😂
Sounds like me getting a 7.25" gauge loco away after I have overfilled the boiler. Take it very gently to avoid wheel slip and a prime.
Well at least she didn't wheel slip. Taw Valley is one of those locomotives that likes to wheel slip.
Yea she not happy....no coffee or s... The bed.... great video 👍👍👍
Liked your video and subscribed your channel, i was there that day. Good turnout 👍🏻🚂
Many thanks for your support 👍
@@KevsTrains 👍🏻
Those with footplate experience are on the right track. Might also be compounded by low boiler pressure. Lot of unburnt coal on the fire by the look of the exhaust.
Yes, and all that smoke is unburnt fuel.
Lovely departure. I'd have thought she was extremely happy.
Grumpy old girl 😂
Some say the train still hasn't arrived in Kidderminster.
😂😂😂
Probably just trying to get away without slipping.
No, had problems
@@KevsTrains No he didn't
@@TheBellEnd Yes he did, cylinder lock as confirmed by the fireman on the loco, happened twice.
Oh dear, cylinder lock, that's a new one 😂
@@philjohnson7224 you know what I’m referring to
Southern numbering and livery on a rebuilt West Country, not possible as rebuilding was done post nationalization. Get it right.
“We go when I say we go. When I’M ready.!”
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Stopped with cylinders in a 'reluctant to move' alignment and coaxed forwards to gain use of all three cylinders. Possibly just an extremely cautious departure to avoid slipping but it was SO slow it seemed odd, especially withe huge plume of exhaust. Wonder how the journey unfolded. Possibly just unhappy wearing black, which they never did...
It had the same problem further up the line departing another station
She wasn't, apparently, given enough time to properly warm up, but the driver did a beautiful job of letting her move herself and get things rolling. Experience pays! Fireman didn't do a bad job with a relatively cold firebox and boiler, either. Did they get a late start on the days operations? ❤
It didn’t really affect Phil, I was speaking to the footplate crew who said she did the same later in the journey too.
@@KevsTrainsCould it then be that she's got a piston slightly out of adjustment? I know that doesn't happen often. When I was a kid, I used to visit an uncle who lived across the street from the B&O Connellsville yard, and my cousins and I would go over to the yard office and listen to the old timers talk about old times. Engines were a frequent subject, along with their quirks. I remember them talking about 1 that had just come out of its 1400 hour check and was running like new. Prior to the check she had a reputation for being difficult to start and slipping. It was reported that they found 1 cylinder's piston very slightly out of line or something. Fixing it made her a new engine. I know it's very difficult to get inside the cylinder to check, especially when there is no apparent external evidence. She is such a beautiful machine, to be giving this stubborn trouble. I pray the mechanical guys can find an fix what's troubling her.
@@user-AZ-phil as you say, all steak locos have their own personalities which make them so unique. I’m sure she’ll be absolutely fine.
When I first saw the start I though oh she's stuck on dead center and driver has reversed a bit to get her off dead center. As she went forwards the second time that's what I think happened for if she still went in reverse then that a problem with the valve gear. That happened to her on a series of mainline runs on the North Wales coast in the 1990's. She was in Llandudno Junction station in full forward gear but continued to go in reverse. What was worse was it was a press run and Clan Line was substituted although with the press being fed loads of booze I doubt they even noticed the engine had been changed. She looks nice in the black livery with sunshine lettering and I wonder if one day they'll paint her in malachite green with sunshine lettering. She's been painted in all sorts of unauthentic liveries over the years from maroon with the nameplate Hogwarts Express in the hope that she would be the engine to be used in the Harry Potter films but the producers thought she looked too modern for their films. She's been painted in purple for the late queens seventy years of reign. BR green of course and now black so malachite and BR blue are future liveries perhaps. Canadian Pacific was in BR blue at one stage so why not Taw Valley
You left the PARKING BRAKE on!
Nice and easy does it. Looking after his loco.
Is that Polish steam coal? It is often much browner and less calorific compared with Welsh which I think is not available.
I honestly don’t know who supplies them
It's some South American coal. Its not that good compared to the Welsh coal and we can no longer get hold of Welsh coal as the final mine in Wales has now been forced to close by the climate activists.
Yep thanks to doing our bit for net zero then welsh coal not available as the mine closing. West Somerset reckons burn 30% more coal from South America compared to welsh coal and you also have the marine emissions of shipping from South America.
So a 1/3 extra coal being burned with extra emissions and extra transport.
Tick box environmentalists at their finest.
Yes we need to protect the environment but don’t see closing the welsh mine or not allowing other UK mine to provide suitable coal as being better then importing coal that have to burn more of and transport emissions🤦♂️
@@michaelmcnally2331 They are even sabotaging Teslas thinking they are SUVs which shows the measure of intelligence underlying all this. The UK going zero carbon will scarcely make an iota of difference to global carbon output. This net zero cult is all just the dumb idle rich finding something to do without any real clue of how any of it works.
@michaelmcnally2331 yep it's a complete and utter joke. The bio Ecoal is also a option but its very expensive and judging by some of the Ecoal we use in our fire at home it's not great.
All the talk about "one (or two) of the cylinders not working (due to the crank positions) doesnt hold any water (pun unintended) once the driving wheels have made 1/3 of a rev. That will bring another cylinder into use, and ditto for the next 1/3 of a rev., and so on.
Was at a heritage railway last year talking to the train crew the great western locos don't run well on coal from overseas they were designed to run on Welsh steam coal and with the mine as fros y fran in Merthyr now closed the future can be a problem with no source of coal now here in Wales 🏴
A few have said that
What kind of coal is it that Wales has/had that is different from any other available source? Is it harder coal (more like an anthracite) or is it just the amount of btu’s that can be obtained based on its chemical composition? I’ve seldom seen actual coal so I’m interested to understand the differences when it comes to using it for railway steam engines.
@@Play_fare believe it’s the way it burns
@@KevsTrains thanks for the explanation 😀
Never had any problems with GW locos on coal from overseas, I have had some shocking UK coal though
Armchair experts are out
Aren't they just, most of whom don't know what they're talking about. Maybe it's time to put paid to people posting nonsense on here!
Interesting place for the reservoirs.
The whole train took 4 minutes to get past the camera!
This is why people say steam locomotives feel like living things. Sometimes they just don't want to cooperate and it takes a little coaxing.
Each have their own personalities 👌
Got Flying Scotsman like that in Southall Depot Yard Dog Legged
At that speed, Taw Valley should make it back to Kidderminster Town in about 10 hours!
I think she had problems
@@KevsTrains if I recall correctly, she’s due for overhaul this year, believe she’s going in after the gala, pretty bummed out that I won’t get to see her in steam for a while
@@Hacksworth_Sidings thanks for the info 👍
@@Hacksworth_SidingsIt's an early overhaul, she's due to return to steam late 2024 or early 2025 so it shouldn't be a long wait.
The turning moment of a 24" stroke on a high wheeled steam loco is always a problem. A 28" stroke would make the loco more sure footed and more agile in a standing start.
Looks like they were just warning up the cylinders with the drain cocks open making certain their was no condensed water in the cylinders, yo don't want hydraulic locking to occur.
It would have been OK if she wasn't in The Wrong Livery - the shade of Bulleid having his revenge??
...weird to see a rebuilt in that livery/numbering system
@@stuartdavies584 My thought exactly! OVB would not be pleased - he wasn't at all keen on the rebuilds, excellent engines though they are.
Absolutely agree svr has a great safety record
Great video. Must be the steam engine is fast asleep or something.
Water in the cylinders ,vacuum drawing air.
This engine is know to slip. So driver just taking it easy. In 1950s i really doubt it would have been used on SVR branch line. But we all love , noise , smell and visual display
Watch carefully, nothing to do with taking it easy.
My first trip on a Hitachi 800 series wasn't much better when it was on diesel.
Makes a change for her to leave without slipping. I thought that was a decent pull away, usually full power and slip slip slip
Did the Southern always use different kind of engine numbers.
Not that I can recall, not sure why she’s displaying those.
Yes those designed by Oliver Bulleid used a continental number/lettering system as you see here. He liked to do things differently!
you can't hear the pusating steam exhaust. Was the driver trying to move off with the cut off in a high speed position?
Unknown, only they can confirm
Curious fantasy livery
My first thought - the livery predates the rebuild by over a decade, wartime black and Sunshine lettering. Looks pretty good, for all that.
Where does this idea of a cold locomotive come from, trains both passenger and goods ran to a schedule. The engine was prepared by the fireman for the work involved in a departure.
Believe it or not but when a loco starts off on a run it is "cold" until the engine warms up. Just because there is a fire in it, doesn't mean it is to temperature. The steam warms the cylinders up hence why the drain taps are open to begin with so that the steam doesn't condense too much and crack a cylinder cover, secondly the fire won't be up to temperature.
As more air flows up and through the fire the firebox temperature will increase and thus it becomes somewhat easier to manage when you have a greater amount of heat in the metalwork.
So yes, you can have a cold engine
Just like a cold car engine. Starts cold, water temperature warms up first but engine is still cold, oil temperature might not follow along and only be warmed up after 20 - 30 minutes driving.
That'll make Greta Thunberg happy all that smoke 😂😂😂
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If that bloke gazing out of the cab door is the fireman he should be paying attention to his fire and blower. Stop that smoke.
@@bassetdad437 The blower is on already. You can't avoid a certain amount smoke with a fresh charge of coal.
@@bassetdad437 it was.
Keep on moaning about a bit of smoke from these trains and they will end up happily getting rid of them for you.
I like the Southern Black livery. And that number. Wow...
i feel like she should have been in her Spam Can form while flying her Southern livery and number.
We've all had one of those days hehe
Regularly 😂😂
Who left the handbrake on ?
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Can someone explain in laymen’s terms what’s going on here?? Is the engine low on boiler pressure?? Not enough steam???
Its just a southern engine and not a great western engine thats whats wrong!
Driver has opened regulator, released the brake and the loco hasn’t taken power and rolled back, driver applied brake, tried to take power again and still nothing, so shut off regulator and tried again, she eventually started to move but didn’t have a lot of power to pull up the hill, believed that one piston was centred so couldn’t build up pressure so loco technically only using one which is why it’s so slow.
That is my own interpretation of what went wrong.
This is when,as a guard, you need to be on your toes. Late ariving passengers may atempt to bpard. and if the loco needs to set back you might SPAD WITH THE REAR OF THE TRAIN
As a porter, I hate it when there's a significant delay between getting the right-away and actually moving off. Trying to placate late-arriving passengers who want to board. Then the guard gets off and walks up the platform to see what's happening, and when he's half-way up the loco gets going... 😅
Strictly speaking the guard should apply the handbrake @@derektp
Looks like she stopped on center or close to it, so you're only getting one cylinder to start the whole train until the other one can get in and do any work.
3 cylinder loco.
@@doughunt9621yes, the problem is, if you look at the position of the rods, the left hand cylinder is just coming onto lead, while the centre one will be past the point of cut off, so doing nothing, so only the right cylinder is doing anything
Unusually slow to pick up speed I would have thought.
It can be quite difficult getting out of there, particularly if the rail is wet.
If the train is moving, it's sometimes better to leave things alone, no matter how slow, until the loco is over Cleobury road bridge.
Not the Southern I'm use to, but it'll do just fine. 😉
the drivers are most likely saying oh no!
to much water in the steam
Appears to have been stuck on center. Nice departure and getting off of center. Does not appear to bang anything around nor slip
Did the guard forget to take the handbrake off? 🥸
I did think that firstly, but she was definitely not running right
It was his massive hat. Drag…
@@KevsTrainsKev, you clearly have not got much experience in seeing cold steam locos getting underway. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this engine.
@@struck2soon I’ve plenty of experience thanks, the fact she didn’t take power, rolled back and still wouldn’t go, said something wasn’t right.
Watching from the line side is one thing. Have you ever handled one? I am guessing the answer to that is no.
Cold engine and great handling by the crew
Does anyone know if the coach brakes were dragging?
No, they were off and rolling, stubborn steam engine that’s all.
@@KevsTrains thanks
@@johnnew3096 no problem at all.
How was that stubborn? I am guessing it is the first run of the day for the loco.
Expertly handled, no slipping that I could detect and away it went with no fuss.
@@britishgypsum4347 did you miss the two roll backs? Or that it wouldn’t take power? Was shut off completely then reopened, then eventually started to move. Definitely not expertly handled.
Strange situation. No experienced train crew would experience this. Somewhere something is missing. What?
Once a steam loco blow a valve making one cylinder useless. Towing the train was done. Then towing the loco home. During the night a new valve was made, installed, and the last screws installed just before departure.
So why a rebuilt West Country in Southern War time colours? Just silly. Otherwise I rate the Rebuilt West Countries the most beautiful locomotives ever built.
Yeah, but then somebody decided to ruin a decent looking GWR 4-6-0 by painting it in a pretend, fantasy dull red "livery".
alot of black smoke pour fire? or fuel?
She had a good fire.
Cold fire, wide box, soft draughting. Not ideal but not as bad as it looks
Slipper class.
If it had been a manor or hall it would of been up and long gone by that time that southern thing thought about it!!
Absolutely point proven in my other video 😂😂
Yep manor, halls castles, all built for devon banks in mind, just look at how a castle or manor or hall will take off from painton up that long bank to cherston, and a4 and flying scotsman couldnt get up there with out a gwr 280 or a class 25 pushing them!!
Looked ok to me. Better late than never.
Did you let the water level get a little to low? Yeah, you did … didn’t you. 😡
What’s wrong with her?
Nothing as such, just had difficulties getting going.
Heard something about this, apparently a dead centre?
There was definitely something not right
3 cylinder loco.
Not a dead centre it's actually and ineffective crank angle, but as it's a 3 cyl loco.....
slowest departure ever. she's demanding more love I bet.
She is that, what’s attention, like a kid 😂
First Rate job well done, best they could do with poor coal
Watch carefully, not really a first rate job.
Why do you think she is not happy ? Talk to me my boy !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you think she is? Tell me why you do.
Upon reflection perhaps the diesel wasn't such a bad choice.
Naaaa, steam is fantastic.
She's sassy
I found this quite worrying, I have read the comments of the more expert people who know more about engines than I do. So why wouldn't they wait till she was ready, was it to do with other scheduled trains? I do hope that she got better speeds eventually. I love steam engines so much makes me sad when they don't seem to be having a good day.
Nothing wrong with this at all.
Looks like can't shut off front blowers pretty much :( Problem with these mighty engines of yesteryear is they never ever get to blow the cobwebs out the system running at such slow speeds most the time and thus wear patterns are abnormal as they are never run to limit. You see this with city cars that never go past 30mph, the cylinder wear is abnormal due to the limit never getting close and you get tapered cylinders. Back in the day, most mainline steam before back to duty after maintaining, would be given a good hard run on a line there and back to shake all the insides into place.
The last thing you want is priming. This was perfect, by the book.
Leaking a LOT of Steam ! That was maximum speed for the journey !
No, speed was picked back up once levelled out and running right again.
That isn't leaking steam. The drain taps are open on the cylinders which is correct for when you set off with a cold engine to remove any water that has condensed until the cylinders warm up.
@@britishgypsum4347 I think referring to the amount of blow off, excessive.
@KevsTrains You have a lot to say on this matter, so tell us, exactly what practical experience have you got with steam locos? Specifically Bulleid Pacifics. (and I don't mean making TH-cam videos of them!)
@@TheNightOwl-ef7ih that’s the advantage of free speech, you are permitted to give opinion.
Nothing wrong only the click bait title.
You don’t think anything wrong with it? Just a click bait title? Please don’t ever become traincrew.
Adding my twopennith, perhaps the coal was not placed in the best position in the grate?!"
On the grate is generally the best position 😂
........provided you can get the coal through the fire-hole, and not on the foorplate!! Ha-ha!@@kevfrombutterley
why
An hourly question
An experienced driver would only leave the taps open if there was a reason to do so. Can't remember seeing an engine operated in this manner without there being a problem.
It’s cold, and heavy start on slippery curved rail. Are you an expert train driver? That was a good gentle controlled pull away
@@47606odin 12A, 12B 1A.
An experienced driver with a cold loco would leave the taps open as long as poss on first departure, engine will still be wet and wouldn't want it to carry over if it goes into a slip
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Black smoke ! TDC
Unusual for the old girl. Shocked she did that, was youngers on the controls with experience as guidance the cause of it.
Think it was a cylinder issue, so didn’t want to go.
Needed warming up also with the winter weather. Love the video bud.
@@wattstransportenthusiast621 Thank you, more to come of the others 👍
And you say Seam is King rotflmao
Valves and pistons wee at top dead center.
Needs some extra training on driving it
Why?
It looked good to me.
Nowt wrong with that departure 😉
A lot of juveniles commenting here - Grow Up :)
From who?
Perhaps Piston Problems i could think😕😕😕😕😕
I’d agree with you there
@@KevsTrains of course.
TDC and priming.
Ready for the scrap yard "SHE'S ROOTED"/🤣😂😅😆😁🚂🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🛤
😂😂