th-cam.com/video/XNmnZGegaeE/w-d-xo.html By Popular request, here is one of the videos I mentioned, its required watching if you wanna figure out why Fascists think the way they do.
Broken Deity what is a tradcon ? Traditional conservative ? Are traditional conservatives similar to communists ?? In which way ? Politically, philosophically or what are you trying to say.
What is it with all these movies/books about a potentially theocratic West - think V for Vendetta - how bloodly likely is that? Christianity is dead in the West. An atheist/secular totalitarian project seems much more likely - we already have one, SJWs and anarchists are its footsoldiers ... and that project is considered to be progressive. The left doesn't care about personal freedom, it leans naturally towards totalitarianism since its main myth is that of 'equality'. Quite unlike Christians.
It's all much simpler than you think it is, BMP. Western civilization is in its final stages, its obsessions are similar to that of ancient Roman civilization in its final stages - cult like religion, growth of (unwarranted) female power, transgenderism/androgyny, a lack of willpower when it comes to fighting wars, foreigners flooding the borders, subversive political movements ... and in our case insane political correctness which is a burden around the neck of everyone, (you don't have to look for a totalitarian society in history or in the future, it is already here). Historically speaking, fascism seeks to prevent the collapse of order and civilization, more than it tries to recreate a golden utopia from the past. Fascism is a very pragmatic ideology, at no point is it dogmatic. Also: tradition is the norm throughout the history of the occident, as much as it is in the Orient. It's the social experiments which are a rarity. People don't inherently and naturally try out new ways of human association, at any rate it's not the norm.
@Sune Nymann Mental illness is not some kind of individual "wrongthink" relative to society. Their is a neurochemical side to things as well. Capitalism does exacerbate a lot social and personal ills (intentionally I would say) but I don't think it's the only cause. A socialist system would be much better equipped to deal with these problems.
btf capitalism has done quite a bit to treat mental health issues and healthcare in general. New innovations in biotechnology mean big money. Capitalism has spurred the development of wonder drugs. There is little incentive in socialist or communist countries to innovate.
btf capitalism has given us drugs to treat mental health. Alcoholism was common in "communist" Russia. Was that the fault of the economic system? No, it's cultural.
I've never watched this show, but the regime reminds me of Caesar's Legion in Fallout: New Vegas. The writers of that game did a fantastic job of making Caesar actually very intelligent when you finally meet him instead of just making him a stupid, evil brute. When you listen to him explain why his Legion is the way it is (the wasteland is harsh so humans must be harsh, we don't have the time or resources to think of the individual, after conquering the NCR it will synthesize with the Legion by taking the best aspects of both societies to make something even better) you actually find yourself sympathizing with a lot of what he says and after talking with him I actually felt very uncomfortable with myself when I realized how a charismatic, intelligent person (even if a video game character) made me sympathize with a society that regularly punishes "degeneracy" with crucifixion, treats women like cattle, and that kills off the sick and elderly. Realizing how seductive and reasonable fascism can seem in a bad situation allows you to spot it easier and at least for me has made me more confident in my leftist politics. As a Marxist, it also allows me to recognize that historically communist revolutions have established governments that lead to better conditions overall for the poor and working people and that eliminated structurally unstable capitalist market economies prone to frequent crashes. Also, BadMouse, if you've played FNV, what ending do you believe leads to the best and most worthwhile outcome, and can you explain why the other endings don't hold up comparatively?
The NCR. Allowing a government as flawed as it was to intervene seemed like the best option given that allowing a 2nd front to the war just enabled more instability. Caesar contradicts himself in that he might well follow the same thing that Tandi went through when she died and the NCR became unstable. Haven't played with Mr House though so maybe I'll have to give that a go.
I always went for an independent New Vegas myself but now you say that, maybe independence isn't the best option. I mean both the NCR and Legion would come after Vegas again eventually, so siding with the NCR would probably be the better option because at least they aren't the legion.
The pseudo-feminism thing is what I've been trying to put into words for a while now and which exists even now amongst social conservatives. Like, "oh, let's celebrate the role of women," as if women are supposed to have a prescribed role.
We will be judged, in the end, on how we respond to our crises, and not that such crises occurred. If we try to maintain stability with barbarism wrapped in ideals, then we are nothing more than savages justifying our own crimes.
Good sentiment, but it would be better to try to express things without imperialist and colonialist language of "barbarism" and "savages", just saying. =8)-DX
I think an interesting exercise can be to look at failed fascisms everywhere. The Henry Dorgeres' movement in France, Engelbert Dollfuss’s Fatherland Front in Austria, Brazil's Integralists led by Plinio Salgado, or the Fascist Party in Britain during the Interwar years can get you a blueprint of what they tried, why the circumstances were against them, thereby leading to the answer to why they failed. Edit: And let's not forget the very weird, yet highly original Iron Guard of Romania.
"because socialism worked so fine " Yes, it did. It was working pretty fine right next door to Franco actually. "most of brazil labours laws were writen by vargas who was supported by the Integralists" Yes. Fascists have been known to co-opt leftist, pro-working class rhetoric to try to gain power time and again. What do you think Strasser was trying to do in Germany? "say what you want about salazzar or franco the made trains run on time" Okay. So....?
Alexandre Skromov It's funny because he repeats the old lie that Mussolini "made the trains run on time," ie made the state more efficient, yet Italy actually saw even worse corruption and inefficiency, and specifically, slower and less reliable train times, under the fascists. The only time trains actually ran ahead of schedule was when Mussolini rushed to Rome to officially take power.
And many more aren't dictators Delescluze Makhno Kim-Chwa-Chin Durruti Tito Nagy Dubcek Allende Heng Samrin Marcos Chavez Salih Which is more than what I can say for fascists.
Spoiler: Badmouse made a post on tumblr saying that he felt he became an ancom rather quickly without actually reading the literature about it. He was an ancap, so in becoming a socialist he held onto his anti-authoritarianism and thus became an ancom. However, Badmouse has recently said that he disagrees with Anarchist strategies, and thus is moving towards ML instead.
fraser frazzle yeah I read the post, he didn't say he was an ML, Just that he understood where we are coming from and that we wasn't a pure anarchist anymore. His analysis was actually pretty amazing, I was really surprised, but pleasantly so.
Fascism is inherently short-sighted and doomed to fizzle out after a few generations. It is easy to take advantage of the public's misfortunes and come to power on a platform of xenophobia and scapegoat-ism. It is much more difficult to stay in power, and once the economy recovers, once the ills of society are either fixed or reconciled, once a new generation of children who start to wonder about the tenets of their fascist society come of age, once those children have children, the regime is doomed. Nationalists of all stripes like to remind us of whom it was that won the Spanish Civil War. I respond, where is Franco and his regime now? Either all at once or piecemeal, the shreds of authoritarian structure are picked away. As we know from current news, not all of these behaviors have been ousted from Spanish society, but Franco is no more. Fascism has a short half-life.
But Franco's Spain wasn't a fascist country! The Falange played only a minor role and Franco wasn't against democracy in principle. And we all have to die some day, you know, Franco too, of course "Franco is no more" - how old can one man get? Plus, Franco didn't come to power on a platform of so-called xenophobia or scapegoat-ism, no, he came to power because of the threat of communism, the take over of Spain by Stalin. When the threat subsided, Franco's government disappeared as well. Furthermore, you can't say that fascism would fizzle out after a few generations because there are no practical examples of this. Last time I checked Italy and Germany were defeated in wars, it was communism that fizzled out, not fascism. We'll never know how long fascism would've lasted in Italy and Germany without foreign interventions circumventing the will of the Italian and German peoples.
A lot of totalitarian states are defeated in wars when nationalism forms some part of their ideology. Totalitarian regimes need a constant enemy to justify their own existence. I'm not sure "fizzling out" is a good measure of anything when it comes to a political ideology. Most societies seem to flirt with different forms of their ideology when the previous incarnation "fails" or switch altogether, or just return to a previous form. A lot of these discussions tend to refer to all ideologies at a kind of macro-level using historical classifications on a governments political stances in other words not all forms of socialism/capitalism are the same, even within one nation throughout its history.
A little late but it’s important to remember that the post WW2 order shunned Spain for a long while after the war because Franco worked with the axis. So things might have been a lot different for Franco if the axis had won the war.
The contradiction of the regime going against their own strict doctrine for themselves once in power reminds me of that quote from Salo, "We Fascists are the only true anarchists, naturally, once we're masters of the state. In fact, the one true anarchy is that of power."
Malachi Owens I assume figuratively. We're going through financial crisis after financial crisis, unjust war after unjust war. This leads to some people, as was said, scapegoating rather than pointing out the flaws in the system itself.
Malachi Owens we are over populating the earth, and nature is going to take care of this, we won't go extinct anytime soon (well, if no great catastrophic event like a meteorite strike happens) there will just be a little less humans
Just wait until exponential Climate Change destroys our global agricultural system over the next few years. That should be more than enough to set up the proper conditions.
It really speaks to the strength of both Atwood's writing of the original book and the skill of the show's creators that The Handmaid's Tale resonates so strongly, no matter the form it takes. Dystopias are quite commonplace in modern literature (I should know, I did my senior thesis on them), but Handmaid's Tale does dystopia WELL.
Tungol Fascists are left wing economically which is obviously why the most notorious fascist regimes on earth imprisoned and killed leftists in masse /s
Tungol to inform you fascists and commies were fighting in the streets of Italy, Mussolini was a former socialist and promised a restoration of order. Fascism is a response to people turning to the far right who promise order when people fear socialist takeover.
"(Not to mention that fascism first took power in Italy. I'm not sure if communism was a contributing factor there)" Fascism literally had its roots in squashing the Italian worker movement.
It's impossible for right wingers to sell their economic policies to the working class so these right wing politicians try to appeal to emotion and tradition commonly creating a scapegoat, funnily enough this is also done by progressive politicians who are just neo-liberals but appealing to a different kind of culture, Justin Trudeau is a good example of this with his gay parade marches and legalisation of weed but still continuing the status quo. These traditions and cultures are just arbitrary and have no real substance, these things can't give you food, shelter and other necessities, only an economic system designed to help the people of earth can do that, right wing politicians cause all of these horrible material conditions for the working class and they try and deflect it by appealing to everyone's emotions.
You are equating liberal tactics with fascist ones. Fascists indeed can sell their ideas to the working class when the material conditions are right. I don't think it'll rise to prominence again like in the 20th century
''You and your cronies have always hated the working class. You promise them improvements in their material conditions while advocating stripping them away of their identities.'' [CITATION NEEDED!!!]
How wrong you are, KingOfAwesome - not all "right wingers" are capitalists, least of all the far right. And least of all in Europe. Fascism is an ethnocentric style of socialism over here. And never mention Trudeau and rightwingers in the same sentence again, wtf!
+Michael Chenes yeah, because having the middle class go bankrupt due to insane healthcare costs from privatization and deregulating the epa and people's tap water has worked out great. Fucking moron.
I find it hilarious that a commie is talking about scapegoats. Isnt that exactly what this whole "The 1%" or "The Bourgeoisie" is? A giant fucking scapegoat? So's the working class to you people. "We must do this FOR THE WORKING CLASS!". "We must fight FOR THE 99%!". They're just a scapegoat for you as well, instead its something to fight over rather than fight against. Disgusting.
Great video, bestmouse ;) Margaret Atwood is one of the most gifted intellectuals of our time. She is a remarkable poet and author and I'm so happy I met her a few years ago. Thanks for using handmaids tale as a backdrop as you analyze this important topic.
Oh, it's nonsense. What is it with all these movies/books about a potentially theocratic West - think V for Vendetta - how bloodly likely is that? Christianity is dead in the West. An atheist/secular totalitarian project seems much more likely - we already have one, SJWs and the rest of the far left are its footsoldiers ... and this project is considered to be progressive. The left doesn't care about personal freedom, it leans naturally towards totalitarianism since its main myth is that of 'equality'. Quite unlike Christians.
Raf Op De Rand Atwood wrote the book almost two decades ago, Im pretty sure, and she is a gifted poet who I encourage you to read, whether you like poetry or not. Her mastery of syntax has always struck me deeply. But I'm just a huge fag so whatever
One of the lines from the show I find particularly interesting. The Commander said something like: We just wanted to make a better world. But better for some means worse for others...
Oh yeah, that line is one of Atwood’s best. You’re close: after the “better world” remark, Offred objects that the world has become significantly worse for her and a lot of others, and the Commander says “Better never means better for everyone.” Oof.
This is exactly what I was thinking! Great video! ISIS are basically fascists, I see very little difference between the nature of Islamist movements and Fascist movements such as Francoism. This was such a great series because by applying the horrors of religious extremism into a western context, it helped us empathise that little bit more with what people in the middle east are going through.
And Romani were scapegoats in Nazi Germany! They're a smaller group, and so usually get overlooked, but they've been cast as scapegoats basically forever. I married a descendant of a Romani man who fled Romania and changed his name to assimilate.
Heya badmouse! Another good video on your part. I do have one request though. Could you put up an annotation warning people about the graphic scenes that are shown as you talk. Maybe include time stamps or let them know that they can open another tab and listen in. I don't mean to be a finicky Fred but the scenes containing sexual content put me quite out of place. thanks for reading and keep up the good work!
It's interesting how things have a way of coming back into prominence. The handmaid's tale is a story closely tied to feminism from the 1970's... It's also generally based on things that have already happened, somewhere, somewhen. Not all in one place perhaps... But yes...
I think its important to remember that beyond it CAN happen here is that it HAS happened (in the states) the systematic rape and abuse for economic gain was the name of the game during the transatlantic slave trade. Women were "bred" and their children were taken and sold. For those who suggest it could never happen it already has.
Grachus is Roman, The Grachi where 2 brothers in the Senate who wanted reform to make life better for the plebs during the days of the Roman republic, both where killed
Something tells me that we don't actually have that much sex. Especially, if we are as statistically overweight as we are. I'm guessing self reporting is involved with that stat.
Perhaps the biggest risk of allowing fascists to be elected into office comes from walking into traps such as pointing out the likely origins of the seemingly race neutral arguments (giving the appearance of well poisoning) and losing peoples attention before you can deal with the fallacies contained within the disguised fascist arguments (and they are fallacious as fuck, so if we fail to refute these arguments, we're twats of the highest order) I wish the Kekistan thing wasn't holding so many peoples attention, they're not getting into office, they would need to present themselves seriously to do that.
Kekistani people are not fascists.. Racists are not necessarily fascists.. Nationalists are not necessarily fascists.. Be careful who you call fascist otherwise the real fascist will believe his normal.
Βικεντιος Φιτσαλος What? The CNT-FAI were fighting in self defense, they were crushed because they were being attacked from all sides by, Republicans, Fascists (Franco), and other factions during the civil war. Violence is the only way to get your point across, because those who have the fascist cancer do not respond to good or persuasive arguments, because their very position is not logical, it's emotional.
Βικεντιος Φιτσαλος They did that in response to decades of tyrannical rule by the catholic church, who were extremely repressive to the population and denied women sexual education. If a population is brutalised for decades and the population eventually responds with aggression, I'd call that self defence.
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When you allow fascists freedom to organize and mobilize they launch pogroms, you moron.
While you Americans hate and "Bash" each other for political reason, Your weakness will give China a great opportunity to collect the debt you all owe them.
First of all, thank you for continuing to make videos. I really, _really_ enjoy them. Secondly, I've watched the first season of the handmaid's tale maybe 5+ times, and I'm half way through the book. The protest scene I think was the most jarring to me, maybe it's because I've participated in protests before, and the fact that the alt-right carry guns with them, and even shot at counter protesters before... Even so, I can't quite put my finger on it, but it gives me chills every time.
@BMP: you describe the theocratic (not fascist!) government in Handmaiden as a "regime that loves women on its own terms" - but isn't love always on our own terms, would you stay in a relationship with a partner you don't love on your own terms? Plus, aren't feminists lovers of women on their own terms too? As soon as a woman says she's traditional, wants to be a housewife and look after the children, then that woman will be ostracized by feminists, isn't it? And what about marxists? Do marxist love blue collar people who are fascists? Nope, they don't! Anarchists even seek to unleash violence against the workers if the workers aren't on their side. It's just the nature of ideology: ideologies approve of certain behaviours and thoughts in people, while not of others. There's no escaping this, it works for everyone the same, even for people who are usually apolitical and apathetic. As soon as one becomes political, you are taking a stance in favor of a few things and against a bunch of other things.
"It can happen here" we should be worried about the places that some of it is happening: Afghanistan, Iraq and others in the region as well as Somalia the Congo and even places less talked about like Guatemala and Nepal. Of course let's watch things in the U.S. and keep crazy things from happening, but please let us not think we have it worse than other countries where women have brutal lives. Places where getting pregnant is all but a death sentence, rape is commonplace, HIV is so widely spread. Child brides, genital mutilation. True horrors. Let us please think of these suffering women and move to bring change to these brutal and barbaric places and cultures.
Haven't watched the series, but I have read the book and the book is about fascism. It's a very intersectional, very fascinating book. You should read it.
On the topic of lindquist, Q is pronouned as K in Swedish, and qu is usually pronounced as kv. Both i's in lindquist sound like the i in linnen. So it's pronounced "lindkvist".
Also is interesting how fascism can change it's face and it's ideals to make itself more pallatable to a scoiety. in handmaiden's tale it takes a conservative biblical narrative because USA has a deep hsitory of Christian conservatism. But look at the example set by Spain during the Franco Regime, There fascism started like traditional fascism that glorified a past and whas pretty much in line with Mussolini's fascism, but when the axis lost the war, it started rebranding itself as a more religious movement, seeking the support of the Catholic church and as a deep anticommunsit movement, seeking the support of the USA. And in the 60, where the hippy movement started to feel distate for the more military parts of the regime, it started also rebranding itself as a technocratic movement, promoting efficiency over everything else. It was so good at rebranding that fascist almost turned to democrats when the regime ended almost on mere days. And people who had slantered democracy, workers rights and order summary executions sought to be viewed as fathers of a constitutions and a democracy, when they saw that the status quo would not change a lot (and sadly, largely, the achieved it). Fascism is in aprt dangerous because it is a very malleable ideology, it just seek order in exchange for freedom, authoritarianism in exchange for placid social stagnation. It can take the form of adoration to faux germanism, of vivid catholicism, of ultraconservatist evangelicals And even one fascist regime can change between one pseudoideal to the other because the ideal is not what matter, but the supposed tranquility that comes with the façade of imposing it
I really don't want to watch a Richard Spencer video, it cost too much to replace my laptop screen and I don't want to end up with glass in my knuckles.
I'd say you could go one step further and expand the comments regarding fascism, that of an unyielding, all-encompassing and openly violated ideological tenet that selectively permits whilst also punishes and survives on belief onto liberalism itself. The role of advertisement, indulgence (commodification of sex through the commodification of the human body in prostitution, pornography, etc.) as well as open permissiveness yet universal disdain (police brutality, surveillance, union crackdowns, corporate preferrentialism). Not that I'm saying that the answer lies in the same fascistic vein of ultra-repression and ultra-conservatism, rather that a lot of these elements are distorted (free love vs. dating/Butler's idea of anathema through constant reinvention) and commodified. The series takes on the idea of fascism, but it still exists in the context of liberal capitalism as a product itself, a sort of gentler, more pleasing version of something Gilliam would produce (Brazil, Fear & Loathing) and a less sleazy version of They Live. Great video though, I do enjoy these media analyses of yours.
To be frank, I was unimpressed with the creation of the handmaid regime. The minute the state started firing on the citizenry, you REALLY think the Americans who LOVE their guns wouldn't have mounted a popular resistance? When the terrorists killed the entire executive body... my god, there would have been a fight... This is fiction. It has blind spots. I always thought of handmaid's as a woman's take on 1984. The boot down your throat wearing the hat of religion instead of stalinism. The fact remains: the enemy of the individual is the totalitarian state. To ever allow one to exist is to invite dystopia. ...that being said the enemy of the individual is also a stateless society since in the absense of a state, individuals will impose totalitarian control over each other. Balance is key. Balance is always key.
But isn't this assuming that fascism is pretty much just radicalized libertarianism (as shown in the linked video) adopted in times of crisis? Because it surely is an element in it, but it seem like downplaying a large portion of the masses who is genuinely conservative and ready to switch to fascism if there is an occasion. If fascism movements do tend to be born in the intelligentsia or at least supported by it, their backbone is pretty much always the already conservative, rural masses. Even the Bolsheviks had to appeal to this element during the civil war, when many propaganda leaflet associating revolutionary figures with religious imagery (e.g Lenin as st. George slaying the dragon of capitalism) were circulated.
You also forget one thing about Fascism: it’s actually sort of good. And..sorta bad? I’d describe it as an “untopian” ideology. Essentially, a dystopian society is where everybody thinks it’s good but it’s fucking terrible, a utopia is well...unachievable, but in theory a perfect society. Fascism creates a pseudo-medieval society where it’s terrible for the underclass and amazing for basically everybody else. And everyone knows it’s this way.
Well there is quite some theory from fascists Its very vauge tho and the only Main tenets i can find is totalitarianism (Everything in the state nothing against it) the ideal of the"new man" reactionary socialism (anti capitalism based on conservstive and reactionary positions) and corporatism (Class collaboration) Good vid tho 8/8
Agree With the thing of fascists being intresting I am a Regular watcher of some fascist Channels and it... can be sympethic I can Very Much see the reason why especially in a capitalist crisis many would be drawn that Way
There is no such thing as "reactionary socialism". It's just reactionary anti financial capitalism and its the sort of anti-capitalism that is tinged with racial scapegoating. There is nothing socialist about it.
BadMouseProductions. Why do you think there is such a rise in the right? Literally every country now is having either a win, or a push to the right? I grew up (or am growing up) in a right leaning neighborhood and hear all this right leaning rhetoric, and one of those is that the "right" is oppressed. By the way I live in America, for further context. It feels like sometimes you meet someone who may or may not be a legitimate Facist.
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The shortest answer to your question imo is that left-electoral strategies for reforming capital on the national level no longer deliver the goods--and indeed in most cases don't even claim to--and as of yet no anti-capitalist alternative has emerged in its stead, leaving a vacuum that the right is filling with its calls for racial triage.
Actual right wing politics and left wing politics has nothing to do with "Race" Only Americans are race fanatics.. Real political philosophy is what matters.. And the collectivism and identity politics on the left has created a reaction on the right where young idiots believe they can be right wing and racial collectivists at the same time.
Well RebelBeamMaster, the most common and state sanctioned form of discrimination in Western societies, including violence, is directed at rightwingers. It's rightwing voices and views which are silenced or don't make it in the media, ... it's one long center left monologue you hear in all the western media - even those few so-called rightwing media aren't all that rightwing... they constantly have to pander to the doctrine of political correctness/cultural marxism. And it's rightwingers (celebs or otherwise) who lose their jobs or who are doxxed or go to jail for posting opinions online, so yes, the right is oppressed, duh. And fascism promises to fight back against the oppressors and the foreigners who continue to harass white people in their own countries. That's why I would support fascism forever, I'm completely in favor of it. Let's take our countries back.
You didn't mention the economic aspects of Fascism which are if anything more telling than the rather more repressive/genocidal aspects and are prescient to our world today and predictive of the future, unless things change quite dramatically in our attitude to wealth and ownership.
Yep. Which is why in the 21st Century it's probably better to look at Anarchist socialism for inspiration rather than the ones that put a socialist head of state at the top. I'm not trying to discredit the good things Sankara's govt. did in Burkina Faso in the face of tremendous Western imperialist/colonialist opposition, of course.
Frankly, I am still figuring this out, but have a skeleton of an answer. You're not going to like it, but I suggest cheating. I mean, getting the centrists on our side. I mean most revolutions fail when we fail to get the centrists on our side, and when they are seduced by the right-wing rhetoric, right? See, alternate media is so large among younger demographics today that we can actually subvert this media itself and co-opt centrist rhetoric for ourselves instead of the other way round within this media. By this, I literally mean selling the idea of socialism in the "free" (ugh) marketplace of ideas with cool words like "workplace democracy", "full democracy", "worker's self-management", "co-operative culture," etc, and using less and less of conventional socialist rhetoric. Kind of like making capitalism dig its own grave from within. Maybe this Contrapoints video will give you an idea of what I'm talking about: watch?v=QuN6GfUix7c Now apply this model to the conventional neoliberal media. They'll start fighting back, but their power will be reduced this time. I still don't see a way around violent revolution after all this, of course. Because once we try to set up flat, non-hierarchical structures of governance (even if we succeed in the workplace democracy thing, making the state go away is still the other goal), the state will fight back, first legally, then with force. Again, I don't have the answer. But somehow, this seems to get a lot more people on our side than we would by shunning the media out.
"Here on TH-cam reactionary media dominate don't you think? " Yes, now. But it doesn't have to remain that way, right? ;) "The liberals will fight back the moment you touch any of their privileges" Great. Let's get liberals to destroy it themselves. For example, California is now considering UBI as a standard model. If someone pushes workplace democracy in as advanced a capitalist sector as Silicon Valley which is already considering something liberal like UBI, we can project Workplace democracy as an extension of UBI (a basic income? why not basic democracy in workplace?), and go from there. Again, I don't have the full picture, but I would say we need to pay more attention to optics in front of the liberals. Seriously, watch Contra's video if you haven't yet. It's great.
"The thing is that unless UBI is coupled with mandatory shortened work hours, we're going to a widening gulf in the proletariat where having a job is a privilege in itself " But what if we just use UBI as a pretense to bypass the whole UBI debate completely and are able to set up self-managed workplaces in process in prime locations? Even automation, the centrists' one argument doesn't work here. Look up Brian Merchant and Aaron Bastani on Fully Automated Luxury Communism. "But yes we must make sure progressive forces dominate TH-cam, both in videos and the comment sections" Yes, and in order to do that, we need to make leftism appealing, and cool, and seductive. More seductive than the right wing rhetoric at least. That involves a pretense of giving in to capitalist rhetoric so we can subvert it from within, selling "socialism" for mass consumption. See what I'm going for?
"oh and I'm not demanding solutions from just asking opinions, please don't think I'm trying to annoy:-)" Not in the least. Like I said, I'm figuring this stuff out myself. Talking to people like this helps me brainstorm. :)
I dont know ive you have done this already but could you make a Video about why you are an Anarchist and not an syndicalist or marxist ? Im just interested what your thoughs are on other communist ideas
The catasthophy that brings about social change is not something limited to faschism, i mean i get where you are comming from and you make good points. But we should not just associate the raise of reigime as a reaction to a disaster to fascism. I mean thats how most of the current political structures have come to power, as an anwser to a disaster.
I think the whole thing defies basic logic, mostly because the setting is partially based on a extreme misreading of Afghanistan. The aesthetics and values are all wrong, in Afghanistan the vast majority of the population already was religious and dressed in traditional clothing, this is not the case with the USA. The nature of the crisis is also wrong, the rise of the Taliban in Afghanistan came thanks to the USA, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia providing massive support to Islamist groups in order to destroy the secular and socialist order that was in the cities. It's unlikely for religious and traditional groups in the USA to get as powerful, in fact in the USA the vast majority of people live in cities so that's where order would come from in the case of a catastrophe.
Who would not see the fascism in the Handmaid's Tale. It is a society that is totally different from the right wing ideas of libertarianism and individual rights.
Children of Men 2: The Yanks are even worse Personally I think Handmaids Tale got stuck, and was overall pretty weak because of it. Sure it showed some 'transition' but you never get to really see the wider world or class structure (except Canada, where everything is just fine for some reason?). Even in the couple of hours (and through the POV of one person) we got from Children of Men we saw a significant cross-section that HT hasn't been able to match. And so it doesn't have much else to go except logging more hours in the Rape Palace.
I just can't get myself to watch this show. It sounds way too depressing. Will you by any chance be discussing India and its recent turn to fascism at any point?
While liberal 'Oceania' trips over itself, sounding the alarm of incoming fascism, it is distracted from the reality that all it fears has already been installed decades ago. Gloryfied feminist dystopias like "The handmaid's tale", in which a 'conservative' junta reintroduces patriarchy in the event of some form of 'zombie apocalypse', turning to a 'trade of female fertility', would be relevant, if it had dropped all pathos and ideological activism in exchange for a less biased analysis, how ACTUAL HUMAN TRAFFICKING is a long term effect of liberalism and it's agenda: the total GLOBALIZATION of goods (export, outsourcing), capital (debt) and labour (immigration, often provoked by western military intervention/destabilization). The structure and colorful mass rituals, depicted in the story and recent dramatization relate to ORGANIZED CRIME much more than to a mutiny of the US officer corps under the leadership of some American 'Bonaparte' (Hamilton, McArthur, McCrystal) - which would be the only fitting 'ideal type' of fascism... th-cam.com/video/4OKH_dnC1b0/w-d-xo.html Browse through the faces of people arrested in human trafficking and ask Yourself if the pimps are 'fascists' or 'evangelical hypocrites' - or if they represent the counter-culture of ethnic minorities. Consider the number of people getting trafficked and killed by organized crime each year and You will realize that it is not 'patriarchy' which is on the rise, but the DESTABILIZATION OF THE NATIONSTATE. The FATHERLESS 'family', where sons and daughters are recruited into organized crime and prostitution at public schools is the reality - not 'patriarchy', which is originally designed around the concept of the 'citizen soldier'. The majority of US citizens who have voted in 2016, not for a hairstyle or tweets as mass media frames it, but for 'the wall', represent a lingering sentiment that the liberal utopia of a socially engineered, gendered welfare state is the pet project of upper middle class intellectuals - the suburban working poor are already used of dreaming of civil war. th-cam.com/video/x5M_9bNKye4/w-d-xo.html
It would be lovely if fascists actually did some nice things for people and guarantee a decent basic standard of living for the vast majority of people who just want to go to work and shut up. The problem is they don`t. They immiserate the poor for the sake of the rich, and that`s all they do.
Islam is the only culture in the world that resembles that depicted in The Handmaid's Tale. The claim that the US would in any way go the direction suggested by the novel - and now TV series - is not merely a lie but a blood libel, a lie intended to do harm.
Can you not think of any arguments yourself ?? If you have a hard time arguing against the white genocide theory then maybe you should look into WHY they believe that shit.. And maybe you'll find something interesting or stupid or both.
I will sound like a radical centrist liberal freeze peach boi, but I think this wasn't about fascism but a superset of what causes fascism, or if it wasn't, it should be. Most marxist and all theocratic systems had these elements you describe, even modern capitalist democracies can fit in that category, despite what the creator intended. Virtually no one wants fascism aside from a fraction of a fraction of a fringe. The right wing whites you see, they might be racists but they are scared shitless of a *actual* fascistic state, they just want a capitalist society where they can simply discriminate in peace and drink their cola. You being a leftist will see this film about fascism, a capitalist will see a communist state, a feminist will see patriarchy, an anarchist will see the state, a centrist will see "the extremes", an atheist sees "theism in action" etc and no one would be really wrong in that.
Finnish Bolshevik has some good videos giving information about Stalin and the soviet government, I recommend that to learning about the nuances of his philosophy rather than writing him off as a "power drunk man" I agree it wasn't communist, but it was definitely socialist with the end goal of communism in mind; the authoritarian government also kinda goes hand-in-hand with times of distress/war (like when your country is being invaded by nazis) He did do some dumb shit (criminalizing homosexuality, for example), but he's definitely worth the time it takes to study him (and the ussr as a whole)
Great video, Badmouse. However, in fascists society there always have been a intense class struggle, but from your description and from what I had googled, there seems to exists no class struggle, just a fucked up world. And as history shows, fascist do not claim to restore tradition and glory as much as advocate that they are the bringers of a new system and would be better than before.this system would require struggle and scarifice, but would be worth fighting for the "people", but they would have actual benefits instead of simply being motivated by ideas. For example, there had been resistance from within all along, but only near the end did many people became disenfranchised. However, what benefit did they bring? They have the only women in the world, is actually attacking its own people, so its seems that they are at most extreme consevatives with a limited knowledge of science than fascist. The part on how ill prepared fascists were for power, though, is spot on.
"However, in fascists society there always have been a intense class struggle" Oh? As far as I know, fascist societies managed to subdue worker unrest quite well and pacify the workers at home via hyper-exploitation of conquered subjects and those excluded from the national body.
sorry i didnt make it clear, but i am referring to the state before fascists took over. and no, they didnt manage to subdue worker unrest initially, if that is what you are referring to, if not, why the need to arrest communists in the first place? as for your final point, that is what i am implying in a part of my comment
"they didnt manage to subdue worker unrest initially, if that is what you are referring to, if not, why the need to arrest communists in the first place?" Well yeah, they subdued worker unrest by throwing any potential trouble makers into concentration camps. They also threw in some social programs here and there, Zuckerbrot und Peitsche (sweetbread and whip) as the Germans say.
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By Popular request, here is one of the videos I mentioned, its required watching if you wanna figure out why Fascists think the way they do.
God fucking damn. You couldn't make this shit up.
Broken Deity what is a tradcon ? Traditional conservative ?
Are traditional conservatives similar to communists ?? In which way ?
Politically, philosophically or what are you trying to say.
mah fuckin horseshoe!!
What is it with all these movies/books about a potentially theocratic West - think V for Vendetta - how bloodly likely is that? Christianity is dead in the West. An atheist/secular totalitarian project seems much more likely - we already have one, SJWs and anarchists are its footsoldiers ... and that project is considered to be progressive. The left doesn't care about personal freedom, it leans naturally towards totalitarianism since its main myth is that of 'equality'. Quite unlike Christians.
It's all much simpler than you think it is, BMP. Western civilization is in its final stages, its obsessions are similar to that of ancient Roman civilization in its final stages - cult like religion, growth of (unwarranted) female power, transgenderism/androgyny, a lack of willpower when it comes to fighting wars, foreigners flooding the borders, subversive political movements ... and in our case insane political correctness which is a burden around the neck of everyone, (you don't have to look for a totalitarian society in history or in the future, it is already here). Historically speaking, fascism seeks to prevent the collapse of order and civilization, more than it tries to recreate a golden utopia from the past. Fascism is a very pragmatic ideology, at no point is it dogmatic. Also: tradition is the norm throughout the history of the occident, as much as it is in the Orient. It's the social experiments which are a rarity. People don't inherently and naturally try out new ways of human association, at any rate it's not the norm.
Not sure what's more disturbing, the society of handmaiden or the people that actually legitimately want this society
yes comrade in socialist society drug addiction and mental illness will be thing of past, great medicine and smart success lay ahead for us!
Reminds a lot about The man in high castle series.
@Sune Nymann
Mental illness is not some kind of individual "wrongthink" relative to society. Their is a neurochemical side to things as well. Capitalism does exacerbate a lot social and personal ills (intentionally I would say) but I don't think it's the only cause. A socialist system would be much better equipped to deal with these problems.
btf capitalism has done quite a bit to treat mental health issues and healthcare in general. New innovations in biotechnology mean big money. Capitalism has spurred the development of wonder drugs. There is little incentive in socialist or communist countries to innovate.
btf capitalism has given us drugs to treat mental health. Alcoholism was common in "communist" Russia. Was that the fault of the economic system? No, it's cultural.
I've never watched this show, but the regime reminds me of Caesar's Legion in Fallout: New Vegas. The writers of that game did a fantastic job of making Caesar actually very intelligent when you finally meet him instead of just making him a stupid, evil brute. When you listen to him explain why his Legion is the way it is (the wasteland is harsh so humans must be harsh, we don't have the time or resources to think of the individual, after conquering the NCR it will synthesize with the Legion by taking the best aspects of both societies to make something even better) you actually find yourself sympathizing with a lot of what he says and after talking with him I actually felt very uncomfortable with myself when I realized how a charismatic, intelligent person (even if a video game character) made me sympathize with a society that regularly punishes "degeneracy" with crucifixion, treats women like cattle, and that kills off the sick and elderly. Realizing how seductive and reasonable fascism can seem in a bad situation allows you to spot it easier and at least for me has made me more confident in my leftist politics. As a Marxist, it also allows me to recognize that historically communist revolutions have established governments that lead to better conditions overall for the poor and working people and that eliminated structurally unstable capitalist market economies prone to frequent crashes.
Also, BadMouse, if you've played FNV, what ending do you believe leads to the best and most worthwhile outcome, and can you explain why the other endings don't hold up comparatively?
The NCR. Allowing a government as flawed as it was to intervene seemed like the best option given that allowing a 2nd front to the war just enabled more instability.
Caesar contradicts himself in that he might well follow the same thing that Tandi went through when she died and the NCR became unstable.
Haven't played with Mr House though so maybe I'll have to give that a go.
I always went for an independent New Vegas myself but now you say that, maybe independence isn't the best option.
I mean both the NCR and Legion would come after Vegas again eventually, so siding with the NCR would probably be the better option because at least they aren't the legion.
DrLuckyPhd Which historical communist revolutions led to governments that created better conditions for the poor and working people?
Practically all of them, especially when compared to what each respective country had before socialism.
DrLuckyPHD Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter.
The pseudo-feminism thing is what I've been trying to put into words for a while now and which exists even now amongst social conservatives. Like, "oh, let's celebrate the role of women," as if women are supposed to have a prescribed role.
yes it is called the natural order
You are making it too easy to reply BIOLOGY, you know? And i don't even want to say it
There is no Natural Order as you would think it.
This is exactly what the Nazis did with "Kinder, Küche, Kirche"
Michael Chenes what?
We will be judged, in the end, on how we respond to our crises, and not that such crises occurred. If we try to maintain stability with barbarism wrapped in ideals, then we are nothing more than savages justifying our own crimes.
The Rat
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Good sentiment, but it would be better to try to express things without imperialist and colonialist language of "barbarism" and "savages", just saying. =8)-DX
I think an interesting exercise can be to look at failed fascisms everywhere. The Henry Dorgeres' movement in France, Engelbert Dollfuss’s Fatherland Front in Austria, Brazil's Integralists led by Plinio Salgado, or the Fascist Party in Britain during the Interwar years can get you a blueprint of what they tried, why the circumstances were against them, thereby leading to the answer to why they failed.
Edit: And let's not forget the very weird, yet highly original Iron Guard of Romania.
"because socialism worked so fine "
Yes, it did. It was working pretty fine right next door to Franco actually.
"most of brazil labours laws were writen by vargas who was supported by the Integralists"
Yes. Fascists have been known to co-opt leftist, pro-working class rhetoric to try to gain power time and again. What do you think Strasser was trying to do in Germany?
"say what you want about salazzar or franco the made trains run on time"
Okay. So....?
Sub Roy
I mean, with a name like his, he's probably still swallowing the *White* Army's spooge.
Alexandre Skromov It's funny because he repeats the old lie that Mussolini "made the trains run on time," ie made the state more efficient, yet Italy actually saw even worse corruption and inefficiency, and specifically, slower and less reliable train times, under the fascists. The only time trains actually ran ahead of schedule was when Mussolini rushed to Rome to officially take power.
Βικεντιος Φιτσαλος Socialism did actually help the countries it was implemented in.
And many more aren't dictators
Delescluze
Makhno
Kim-Chwa-Chin
Durruti
Tito
Nagy
Dubcek
Allende
Heng Samrin
Marcos
Chavez
Salih
Which is more than what I can say for fascists.
I like your videos about anarchism, but l love these film analysis videos. I want more!!!
Spoiler: Badmouse made a post on tumblr saying that he felt he became an ancom rather quickly without actually reading the literature about it. He was an ancap, so in becoming a socialist he held onto his anti-authoritarianism and thus became an ancom. However, Badmouse has recently said that he disagrees with Anarchist strategies, and thus is moving towards ML instead.
patorikkudozzu how did I miss this?
patorikkudozzu He's not becoming an ML. He never said that. He said he has sympathies for Lenin.
fraser frazzle yeah I read the post, he didn't say he was an ML, Just that he understood where we are coming from and that we wasn't a pure anarchist anymore. His analysis was actually pretty amazing, I was really surprised, but pleasantly so.
Fascism is inherently short-sighted and doomed to fizzle out after a few generations. It is easy to take advantage of the public's misfortunes and come to power on a platform of xenophobia and scapegoat-ism. It is much more difficult to stay in power, and once the economy recovers, once the ills of society are either fixed or reconciled, once a new generation of children who start to wonder about the tenets of their fascist society come of age, once those children have children, the regime is doomed. Nationalists of all stripes like to remind us of whom it was that won the Spanish Civil War. I respond, where is Franco and his regime now? Either all at once or piecemeal, the shreds of authoritarian structure are picked away. As we know from current news, not all of these behaviors have been ousted from Spanish society, but Franco is no more. Fascism has a short half-life.
But Franco's Spain wasn't a fascist country! The Falange played only a minor role and Franco wasn't against democracy in principle. And we all have to die some day, you know, Franco too, of course "Franco is no more" - how old can one man get? Plus, Franco didn't come to power on a platform of so-called xenophobia or scapegoat-ism, no, he came to power because of the threat of communism, the take over of Spain by Stalin. When the threat subsided, Franco's government disappeared as well. Furthermore, you can't say that fascism would fizzle out after a few generations because there are no practical examples of this. Last time I checked Italy and Germany were defeated in wars, it was communism that fizzled out, not fascism. We'll never know how long fascism would've lasted in Italy and Germany without foreign interventions circumventing the will of the Italian and German peoples.
A lot of totalitarian states are defeated in wars when nationalism forms some part of their ideology. Totalitarian regimes need a constant enemy to justify their own existence. I'm not sure "fizzling out" is a good measure of anything when it comes to a political ideology. Most societies seem to flirt with different forms of their ideology when the previous incarnation "fails" or switch altogether, or just return to a previous form. A lot of these discussions tend to refer to all ideologies at a kind of macro-level using historical classifications on a governments political stances in other words not all forms of socialism/capitalism are the same, even within one nation throughout its history.
Shit, most Fascist countries die in under ONE generation. It typically doesn't help invading ones neighbors and not expect retribution.
A little late but it’s important to remember that the post WW2 order shunned Spain for a long while after the war because Franco worked with the axis. So things might have been a lot different for Franco if the axis had won the war.
The contradiction of the regime going against their own strict doctrine for themselves once in power reminds me of that quote from Salo, "We Fascists are the only true anarchists, naturally, once we're masters of the state. In fact, the one true anarchy is that of power."
Wait how the hell did humanity get under-populated. Aren't we at like 7.3 billion people on earth?
Malachi Owens I assume figuratively. We're going through financial crisis after financial crisis, unjust war after unjust war. This leads to some people, as was said, scapegoating rather than pointing out the flaws in the system itself.
I mean if you were talking specifically about Handmaid, idk, I haven't watched it yet, but I probably will now.
Malachi Owens we are over populating the earth, and nature is going to take care of this, we won't go extinct anytime soon (well, if no great catastrophic event like a meteorite strike happens) there will just be a little less humans
Donald Trump.
Just wait until exponential Climate Change destroys our global agricultural system over the next few years. That should be more than enough to set up the proper conditions.
It really speaks to the strength of both Atwood's writing of the original book and the skill of the show's creators that The Handmaid's Tale resonates so strongly, no matter the form it takes. Dystopias are quite commonplace in modern literature (I should know, I did my senior thesis on them), but Handmaid's Tale does dystopia WELL.
Fascism is a last-ditch attempt by the rich and powerful to maintain their status when capitalism fails.
And Communism is the reason they exist in the first place.
Tungol Fascists are left wing economically which is obviously why the most notorious fascist regimes on earth imprisoned and killed leftists in masse /s
No, it does not have public healthcare. That would be a waste of money for the dictator who needs their generals paid.
Tungol to inform you fascists and commies were fighting in the streets of Italy, Mussolini was a former socialist and promised a restoration of order. Fascism is a response to people turning to the far right who promise order when people fear socialist takeover.
"(Not to mention that fascism first took power in Italy. I'm not sure if communism was a contributing factor there)"
Fascism literally had its roots in squashing the Italian worker movement.
It's impossible for right wingers to sell their economic policies to the working class so these right wing politicians try to appeal to emotion and tradition commonly creating a scapegoat, funnily enough this is also done by progressive politicians who are just neo-liberals but appealing to a different kind of culture, Justin Trudeau is a good example of this with his gay parade marches and legalisation of weed but still continuing the status quo. These traditions and cultures are just arbitrary and have no real substance, these things can't give you food, shelter and other necessities, only an economic system designed to help the people of earth can do that, right wing politicians cause all of these horrible material conditions for the working class and they try and deflect it by appealing to everyone's emotions.
You are equating liberal tactics with fascist ones. Fascists indeed can sell their ideas to the working class when the material conditions are right. I don't think it'll rise to prominence again like in the 20th century
''You and your cronies have always hated the working class. You promise
them improvements in their material conditions while advocating
stripping them away of their identities.''
[CITATION NEEDED!!!]
How wrong you are, KingOfAwesome - not all "right wingers" are capitalists, least of all the far right. And least of all in Europe. Fascism is an ethnocentric style of socialism over here. And never mention Trudeau and rightwingers in the same sentence again, wtf!
+Michael Chenes yeah, because having the middle class go bankrupt due to insane healthcare costs from privatization and deregulating the epa and people's tap water has worked out great. Fucking moron.
I find it hilarious that a commie is talking about scapegoats. Isnt that exactly what this whole "The 1%" or "The Bourgeoisie" is? A giant fucking scapegoat? So's the working class to you people. "We must do this FOR THE WORKING CLASS!". "We must fight FOR THE 99%!". They're just a scapegoat for you as well, instead its something to fight over rather than fight against. Disgusting.
Great video, bestmouse ;) Margaret Atwood is one of the most gifted intellectuals of our time. She is a remarkable poet and author and I'm so happy I met her a few years ago. Thanks for using handmaids tale as a backdrop as you analyze this important topic.
Oh, it's nonsense. What is it with all these movies/books about a potentially theocratic West - think V for Vendetta - how bloodly likely is that? Christianity is dead in the West. An atheist/secular totalitarian project seems much more likely - we already have one, SJWs and the rest of the far left are its footsoldiers ... and this project is considered to be progressive. The left doesn't care about personal freedom, it leans naturally towards totalitarianism since its main myth is that of 'equality'. Quite unlike Christians.
Raf Op De Rand Atwood wrote the book almost two decades ago, Im pretty sure, and she is a gifted poet who I encourage you to read, whether you like poetry or not. Her mastery of syntax has always struck me deeply. But I'm just a huge fag so whatever
I was chatting with the love of my life then I got this notification and told her ''my second love, is calling''
Ah shit here we go!
I like the Thomas Sankara quote. Great video.
One of the lines from the show I find particularly interesting.
The Commander said something like:
We just wanted to make a better world.
But better for some means worse for others...
Oh yeah, that line is one of Atwood’s best. You’re close: after the “better world” remark, Offred objects that the world has become significantly worse for her and a lot of others, and the Commander says “Better never means better for everyone.” Oof.
This is exactly what I was thinking! Great video! ISIS are basically fascists, I see very little difference between the nature of Islamist movements and Fascist movements such as Francoism. This was such a great series because by applying the horrors of religious extremism into a western context, it helped us empathise that little bit more with what people in the middle east are going through.
*why are you using the heretical big eyed waifu Lydia Skyrim mod?*
Hey mate, I just spoke to you on cracked ;-)
yes, I am well aware, and see you have Richard as your profile pic, I need to read Looking For Group again....
And Romani were scapegoats in Nazi Germany! They're a smaller group, and so usually get overlooked, but they've been cast as scapegoats basically forever. I married a descendant of a Romani man who fled Romania and changed his name to assimilate.
Refresh subscriptions and a new bad mouse video! Makes my day a bit better every time.
Heya badmouse! Another good video on your part. I do have one request though. Could you put up an annotation warning people about the graphic scenes that are shown as you talk. Maybe include time stamps or let them know that they can open another tab and listen in. I don't mean to be a finicky Fred but the scenes containing sexual content put me quite out of place. thanks for reading and keep up the good work!
"This can still happen."
Bull, it's considered a hate crime to even punch a homosexual person, which I can face jail time for.
It's interesting how things have a way of coming back into prominence.
The handmaid's tale is a story closely tied to feminism from the 1970's...
It's also generally based on things that have already happened, somewhere, somewhen.
Not all in one place perhaps...
But yes...
This is your best video to date Badmouse.
Very good, very well done
shit, this is a great analysis mate; one of your best videos!
Fascism is not just a authoritarian state, reading the doctrine of fascism or codex fascismo is more than just "more state more state more state"
Handmaidens Tale - Basically Saudi Arabia.
this is part of why i couldn't watch it. too real.
I think its important to remember that beyond it CAN happen here is that it HAS happened (in the states) the systematic rape and abuse for economic gain was the name of the game during the transatlantic slave trade. Women were "bred" and their children were taken and sold. For those who suggest it could never happen it already has.
Grachus is Roman, The Grachi where 2 brothers in the Senate who wanted reform to make life better for the plebs during the days of the Roman republic, both where killed
This is definitely one of your best videos. No shade but this doesn't wander anywhere near as much as your others.
Something tells me that we don't actually have that much sex. Especially, if we are as statistically overweight as we are. I'm guessing self reporting is involved with that stat.
Any video about your departure from anarcho-communism on the way?
Marco Duò He can't read.
great analysis comrade, I didn't even pick this up myself and ive rewatched it many times lol
That moment when I saw Xexizy on the patreons list
Perhaps the biggest risk of allowing fascists to be elected into office comes from walking into traps such as pointing out the likely origins of the seemingly race neutral arguments (giving the appearance of well poisoning) and losing peoples attention before you can deal with the fallacies contained within the disguised fascist arguments (and they are fallacious as fuck, so if we fail to refute these arguments, we're twats of the highest order)
I wish the Kekistan thing wasn't holding so many peoples attention, they're not getting into office, they would need to present themselves seriously to do that.
Kekistani people are not fascists..
Racists are not necessarily fascists..
Nationalists are not necessarily fascists..
Be careful who you call fascist otherwise the real fascist will believe his normal.
8:47 A serious reflection is followed by cutting to instrumental of "Happy"? Irony the stingiest!
You're the shit comrade. Keep it up!!!
We gotta bash the fash.
Βικεντιος Φιτσαλος What? The CNT-FAI were fighting in self defense, they were crushed because they were being attacked from all sides by, Republicans, Fascists (Franco), and other factions during the civil war.
Violence is the only way to get your point across, because those who have the fascist cancer do not respond to good or persuasive arguments, because their very position is not logical, it's emotional.
Βικεντιος Φιτσαλος They did that in response to decades of tyrannical rule by the catholic church, who were extremely repressive to the population and denied women sexual education. If a population is brutalised for decades and the population eventually responds with aggression, I'd call that self defence.
When you allow fascists freedom to organize and mobilize they launch pogroms, you moron.
Violent kids claiming to know what fascism are...
Silly socialist super heroes..
While you Americans hate and "Bash" each other for political reason, Your weakness will give China a great opportunity to collect the debt you all owe them.
never heard of this show until now. gonna go watch it and get back to this vid
First of all, thank you for continuing to make videos. I really, _really_ enjoy them. Secondly, I've watched the first season of the handmaid's tale maybe 5+ times, and I'm half way through the book. The protest scene I think was the most jarring to me, maybe it's because I've participated in protests before, and the fact that the alt-right carry guns with them, and even shot at counter protesters before... Even so, I can't quite put my finger on it, but it gives me chills every time.
6:00 and Franco with the catholic kings
@BMP: you describe the theocratic (not fascist!) government in Handmaiden as a "regime that loves women on its own terms" - but isn't love always on our own terms, would you stay in a relationship with a partner you don't love on your own terms? Plus, aren't feminists lovers of women on their own terms too? As soon as a woman says she's traditional, wants to be a housewife and look after the children, then that woman will be ostracized by feminists, isn't it? And what about marxists? Do marxist love blue collar people who are fascists? Nope, they don't! Anarchists even seek to unleash violence against the workers if the workers aren't on their side. It's just the nature of ideology: ideologies approve of certain behaviours and thoughts in people, while not of others. There's no escaping this, it works for everyone the same, even for people who are usually apolitical and apathetic. As soon as one becomes political, you are taking a stance in favor of a few things and against a bunch of other things.
Great analyses comrade, very nice video
"It can happen here" we should be worried about the places that some of it is happening: Afghanistan, Iraq and others in the region as well as Somalia the Congo and even places less talked about like Guatemala and Nepal. Of course let's watch things in the U.S. and keep crazy things from happening, but please let us not think we have it worse than other countries where women have brutal lives. Places where getting pregnant is all but a death sentence, rape is commonplace, HIV is so widely spread. Child brides, genital mutilation. True horrors. Let us please think of these suffering women and move to bring change to these brutal and barbaric places and cultures.
Great video btw
Haven't watched the series, but I have read the book and the book is about fascism. It's a very intersectional, very fascinating book. You should read it.
This show is just Saudi Arabia right now, substituting Wahabbist Muslims for Evangelical Christians
On the topic of lindquist, Q is pronouned as K in Swedish, and qu is usually pronounced as kv. Both i's in lindquist sound like the i in linnen. So it's pronounced "lindkvist".
Also is interesting how fascism can change it's face and it's ideals to make itself more pallatable to a scoiety. in handmaiden's tale it takes a conservative biblical narrative because USA has a deep hsitory of Christian conservatism. But look at the example set by Spain during the Franco Regime, There fascism started like traditional fascism that glorified a past and whas pretty much in line with Mussolini's fascism, but when the axis lost the war, it started rebranding itself as a more religious movement, seeking the support of the Catholic church and as a deep anticommunsit movement, seeking the support of the USA. And in the 60, where the hippy movement started to feel distate for the more military parts of the regime, it started also rebranding itself as a technocratic movement, promoting efficiency over everything else. It was so good at rebranding that fascist almost turned to democrats when the regime ended almost on mere days. And people who had slantered democracy, workers rights and order summary executions sought to be viewed as fathers of a constitutions and a democracy, when they saw that the status quo would not change a lot (and sadly, largely, the achieved it).
Fascism is in aprt dangerous because it is a very malleable ideology, it just seek order in exchange for freedom, authoritarianism in exchange for placid social stagnation. It can take the form of adoration to faux germanism, of vivid catholicism, of ultraconservatist evangelicals And even one fascist regime can change between one pseudoideal to the other because the ideal is not what matter, but the supposed tranquility that comes with the façade of imposing it
What video was the whiteboard drawing you showed at the end from? Can you link me to it?
I really don't want to watch a Richard Spencer video, it cost too much to replace my laptop screen and I don't want to end up with glass in my knuckles.
I'd say you could go one step further and expand the comments regarding fascism, that of an unyielding, all-encompassing and openly violated ideological tenet that selectively permits whilst also punishes and survives on belief onto liberalism itself. The role of advertisement, indulgence (commodification of sex through the commodification of the human body in prostitution, pornography, etc.) as well as open permissiveness yet universal disdain (police brutality, surveillance, union crackdowns, corporate preferrentialism). Not that I'm saying that the answer lies in the same fascistic vein of ultra-repression and ultra-conservatism, rather that a lot of these elements are distorted (free love vs. dating/Butler's idea of anathema through constant reinvention) and commodified. The series takes on the idea of fascism, but it still exists in the context of liberal capitalism as a product itself, a sort of gentler, more pleasing version of something Gilliam would produce (Brazil, Fear & Loathing) and a less sleazy version of They Live.
Great video though, I do enjoy these media analyses of yours.
Very good video and awesome Skyrim reference
"Putin place as a last resort" Don't know whether that was a speaking error or done on purpose.
To be frank, I was unimpressed with the creation of the handmaid regime.
The minute the state started firing on the citizenry, you REALLY think the Americans who LOVE their guns wouldn't have mounted a popular resistance? When the terrorists killed the entire executive body... my god, there would have been a fight...
This is fiction. It has blind spots. I always thought of handmaid's as a woman's take on 1984. The boot down your throat wearing the hat of religion instead of stalinism.
The fact remains: the enemy of the individual is the totalitarian state. To ever allow one to exist is to invite dystopia.
...that being said the enemy of the individual is also a stateless society since in the absense of a state, individuals will impose totalitarian control over each other.
Balance is key. Balance is always key.
But isn't this assuming that fascism is pretty much just radicalized libertarianism (as shown in the linked video) adopted in times of crisis? Because it surely is an element in it, but it seem like downplaying a large portion of the masses who is genuinely conservative and ready to switch to fascism if there is an occasion.
If fascism movements do tend to be born in the intelligentsia or at least supported by it, their backbone is pretty much always the already conservative, rural masses.
Even the Bolsheviks had to appeal to this element during the civil war, when many propaganda leaflet associating revolutionary figures with religious imagery (e.g Lenin as st. George slaying the dragon of capitalism) were circulated.
What music did you use.
You also forget one thing about Fascism: it’s actually sort of good. And..sorta bad? I’d describe it as an “untopian” ideology. Essentially, a dystopian society is where everybody thinks it’s good but it’s fucking terrible, a utopia is well...unachievable, but in theory a perfect society. Fascism creates a pseudo-medieval society where it’s terrible for the underclass and amazing for basically everybody else. And everyone knows it’s this way.
Well there is quite some theory from fascists
Its very vauge tho and the only Main tenets i can find is totalitarianism (Everything in the state nothing against it) the ideal of the"new man" reactionary socialism (anti capitalism based on conservstive and reactionary positions) and corporatism (Class collaboration) Good vid tho 8/8
Agree With the thing of fascists being intresting
I am a Regular watcher of some fascist Channels and it... can be sympethic
I can Very Much see the reason why especially in a capitalist crisis many would be drawn that Way
There is no such thing as "reactionary socialism". It's just reactionary anti financial capitalism and its the sort of anti-capitalism that is tinged with racial scapegoating. There is nothing socialist about it.
Of course it can happen here.
It already exists in over a dozen countries.
This is so great omg.
BadMouseProductions. Why do you think there is such a rise in the right? Literally every country now is having either a win, or a push to the right? I grew up (or am growing up) in a right leaning neighborhood and hear all this right leaning rhetoric, and one of those is that the "right" is oppressed. By the way I live in America, for further context. It feels like sometimes you meet someone who may or may not be a legitimate Facist.
The shortest answer to your question imo is that left-electoral strategies for reforming capital on the national level no longer deliver the goods--and indeed in most cases don't even claim to--and as of yet no anti-capitalist alternative has emerged in its stead, leaving a vacuum that the right is filling with its calls for racial triage.
Actual right wing politics and left wing politics has nothing to do with "Race"
Only Americans are race fanatics..
Real political philosophy is what matters.. And the collectivism and identity politics on the left has created a reaction on the right where young idiots believe they can be right wing and racial collectivists at the same time.
I just debated a Nazi or "White nationalist" and in the end he was forced to admit that he had more in common with the left wing then the right wing.
Well RebelBeamMaster, the most common and state sanctioned form of discrimination in Western societies, including violence, is directed at rightwingers. It's rightwing voices and views which are silenced or don't make it in the media, ... it's one long center left monologue you hear in all the western media - even those few so-called rightwing media aren't all that rightwing... they constantly have to pander to the doctrine of political correctness/cultural marxism. And it's rightwingers (celebs or otherwise) who lose their jobs or who are doxxed or go to jail for posting opinions online, so yes, the right is oppressed, duh. And fascism promises to fight back against the oppressors and the foreigners who continue to harass white people in their own countries. That's why I would support fascism forever, I'm completely in favor of it. Let's take our countries back.
Ideologically speaking white supremacists have much more in common with left wing politics and philosophy then right wing politics and philosophy.
Fascism concentrates power into the hands of a few!
No shit, Sherlock.
You didn't mention the economic aspects of Fascism which are if anything more telling than the rather more repressive/genocidal aspects and are prescient to our world today and predictive of the future, unless things change quite dramatically in our attitude to wealth and ownership.
Dumb question, why do you view Thomas Sankara favorably? Didn't he get rid of labor unions and free press?
Yep. Which is why in the 21st Century it's probably better to look at Anarchist socialism for inspiration rather than the ones that put a socialist head of state at the top. I'm not trying to discredit the good things Sankara's govt. did in Burkina Faso in the face of tremendous Western imperialist/colonialist opposition, of course.
Frankly, I am still figuring this out, but have a skeleton of an answer. You're not going to like it, but I suggest cheating. I mean, getting the centrists on our side. I mean most revolutions fail when we fail to get the centrists on our side, and when they are seduced by the right-wing rhetoric, right? See, alternate media is so large among younger demographics today that we can actually subvert this media itself and co-opt centrist rhetoric for ourselves instead of the other way round within this media. By this, I literally mean selling the idea of socialism in the "free" (ugh) marketplace of ideas with cool words like "workplace democracy", "full democracy", "worker's self-management", "co-operative culture," etc, and using less and less of conventional socialist rhetoric. Kind of like making capitalism dig its own grave from within. Maybe this Contrapoints video will give you an idea of what I'm talking about: watch?v=QuN6GfUix7c
Now apply this model to the conventional neoliberal media. They'll start fighting back, but their power will be reduced this time.
I still don't see a way around violent revolution after all this, of course. Because once we try to set up flat, non-hierarchical structures of governance (even if we succeed in the workplace democracy thing, making the state go away is still the other goal), the state will fight back, first legally, then with force. Again, I don't have the answer. But somehow, this seems to get a lot more people on our side than we would by shunning the media out.
"Here on TH-cam reactionary media dominate don't you think? "
Yes, now. But it doesn't have to remain that way, right? ;)
"The liberals will fight back the moment you touch any of their privileges"
Great. Let's get liberals to destroy it themselves. For example, California is now considering UBI as a standard model. If someone pushes workplace democracy in as advanced a capitalist sector as Silicon Valley which is already considering something liberal like UBI, we can project Workplace democracy as an extension of UBI (a basic income? why not basic democracy in workplace?), and go from there. Again, I don't have the full picture, but I would say we need to pay more attention to optics in front of the liberals. Seriously, watch Contra's video if you haven't yet. It's great.
"The thing is that unless UBI is coupled with mandatory shortened work hours, we're going to a widening gulf in the proletariat where having a job is a privilege in itself "
But what if we just use UBI as a pretense to bypass the whole UBI debate completely and are able to set up self-managed workplaces in process in prime locations? Even automation, the centrists' one argument doesn't work here. Look up Brian Merchant and Aaron Bastani on Fully Automated Luxury Communism.
"But yes we must make sure progressive forces dominate TH-cam, both in videos and the comment sections"
Yes, and in order to do that, we need to make leftism appealing, and cool, and seductive. More seductive than the right wing rhetoric at least. That involves a pretense of giving in to capitalist rhetoric so we can subvert it from within, selling "socialism" for mass consumption. See what I'm going for?
"oh and I'm not demanding solutions from just asking opinions, please don't think I'm trying to annoy:-)"
Not in the least. Like I said, I'm figuring this stuff out myself. Talking to people like this helps me brainstorm. :)
I dont know ive you have done this already but could you make a Video about why you are an Anarchist and not an syndicalist or marxist ? Im just interested what your thoughs are on other communist ideas
I no longer consider myself an Anarchist.
Did you find flaws in anarchist theory? Are you a statist marxist now?
i too would be very interested to hear your perspective badmouse.
BadMouseProductions Gosh dang please post that long tumblr blog you made on it or make a video.
Holy Marx this show looks extremely interesting!
The catasthophy that brings about social change is not something limited to faschism, i mean i get where you are comming from and you make good points. But we should not just associate the raise of reigime as a reaction to a disaster to fascism. I mean thats how most of the current political structures have come to power, as an anwser to a disaster.
The society of handmaiden reminds me a lot of a frat or a sorority. Love and support on their terms.
For the love of Kropotkin, tell me how you remain so patient, all those "response" videos are purified cancer and nothing more.
I think the whole thing defies basic logic, mostly because the setting is partially based on a extreme misreading of Afghanistan.
The aesthetics and values are all wrong, in Afghanistan the vast majority of the population already was religious and dressed in traditional clothing, this is not the case with the USA.
The nature of the crisis is also wrong, the rise of the Taliban in Afghanistan came thanks to the USA, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia providing massive support to Islamist groups in order to destroy the secular and socialist order that was in the cities.
It's unlikely for religious and traditional groups in the USA to get as powerful, in fact in the USA the vast majority of people live in cities so that's where order would come from in the case of a catastrophe.
Who would not see the fascism in the Handmaid's Tale. It is a society that is totally different from the right wing ideas of libertarianism and individual rights.
Children of Men 2: The Yanks are even worse
Personally I think Handmaids Tale got stuck, and was overall pretty weak because of it. Sure it showed some 'transition' but you never get to really see the wider world or class structure (except Canada, where everything is just fine for some reason?). Even in the couple of hours (and through the POV of one person) we got from Children of Men we saw a significant cross-section that HT hasn't been able to match. And so it doesn't have much else to go except logging more hours in the Rape Palace.
Happy 100th video
True anarchy is that of power
I just can't get myself to watch this show. It sounds way too depressing. Will you by any chance be discussing India and its recent turn to fascism at any point?
Who was the scapegoat in Fascist Italy?
I’ll need to watch this show now
While liberal 'Oceania' trips over itself, sounding the alarm of incoming fascism, it is distracted from the reality that all it fears has already been installed decades ago.
Gloryfied feminist dystopias like "The handmaid's tale", in which a 'conservative' junta reintroduces patriarchy in the event of some form of 'zombie apocalypse', turning to a 'trade of female fertility', would be relevant, if it had dropped all pathos and ideological activism in exchange for a less biased analysis, how ACTUAL HUMAN TRAFFICKING is a long term effect of liberalism and it's agenda:
the total GLOBALIZATION of goods (export, outsourcing), capital (debt) and labour (immigration, often provoked by western military intervention/destabilization).
The structure and colorful mass rituals, depicted in the story and recent dramatization relate to ORGANIZED CRIME much more than to a mutiny of the US officer corps under the leadership of some American 'Bonaparte' (Hamilton, McArthur, McCrystal) - which would be the only fitting 'ideal type' of fascism...
th-cam.com/video/4OKH_dnC1b0/w-d-xo.html
Browse through the faces of people arrested in human trafficking and ask Yourself if the pimps are 'fascists' or 'evangelical hypocrites' - or if they represent the counter-culture of ethnic minorities.
Consider the number of people getting trafficked and killed by organized crime each year and You will realize that it is not 'patriarchy' which is on the rise, but the DESTABILIZATION OF THE NATIONSTATE.
The FATHERLESS 'family', where sons and daughters are recruited into organized crime and prostitution at public schools is the reality - not 'patriarchy', which is originally designed around the concept of the 'citizen soldier'.
The majority of US citizens who have voted in 2016, not for a hairstyle or tweets as mass media frames it, but for 'the wall', represent a lingering sentiment that the liberal utopia of a socially engineered, gendered welfare state is the pet project of upper middle class intellectuals - the suburban working poor are already used of dreaming of civil war.
th-cam.com/video/x5M_9bNKye4/w-d-xo.html
Can you do a video on rojava?
Very well stated.
If right wingers had IQ's over 100 - they wouldn't be right wing.
Levvy so clever
2:18
... no it hasn't? This is plain determinist whig history.
It would be lovely if fascists actually did some nice things for people and guarantee a decent basic standard of living for the vast majority of people who just want to go to work and shut up.
The problem is they don`t. They immiserate the poor for the sake of the rich, and that`s all they do.
anyone know where the clip from 8:01 comes from?
Matthew Drake, Why Fascists are real Libertarians.
*OMG badmouse replied to you
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Islam is the only culture in the world that resembles that depicted in The Handmaid's Tale. The claim that the US would in any way go the direction suggested by the novel - and now TV series - is not merely a lie but a blood libel, a lie intended to do harm.
Great Video, Can You Do One On Why White Genocide Isn't Happening? I Need Some Good Arguments.
Can you not think of any arguments yourself ?? If you have a hard time arguing against the white genocide theory then maybe you should look into WHY they believe that shit.. And maybe you'll find something interesting or stupid or both.
Que the HYPE, and the video
good video, very terrifying though considering the trends in life currently
BadMouse is Het? My heart is broken and my mancrush is destroyed =(
Talk about foretelling Texas.
I will sound like a radical centrist liberal freeze peach boi, but I think this wasn't about fascism but a superset of what causes fascism, or if it wasn't, it should be.
Most marxist and all theocratic systems had these elements you describe, even modern capitalist democracies can fit in that category, despite what the creator intended.
Virtually no one wants fascism aside from a fraction of a fraction of a fringe.
The right wing whites you see, they might be racists but they are scared shitless of a *actual* fascistic state, they just want a capitalist society where they can simply discriminate in peace and drink their cola.
You being a leftist will see this film about fascism, a capitalist will see a communist state, a feminist will see patriarchy, an anarchist will see the state, a centrist will see "the extremes", an atheist sees "theism in action" etc and no one would be really wrong in that.
You wouldn't put for example Stalinism up in there?
Across Fields Stalinism isn't really communist. It isn't anything really, just the actions of a power drunk man.
Finnish Bolshevik has some good videos giving information about Stalin and the soviet government, I recommend that to learning about the nuances of his philosophy rather than writing him off as a "power drunk man"
I agree it wasn't communist, but it was definitely socialist with the end goal of communism in mind; the authoritarian government also kinda goes hand-in-hand with times of distress/war (like when your country is being invaded by nazis)
He did do some dumb shit (criminalizing homosexuality, for example), but he's definitely worth the time it takes to study him (and the ussr as a whole)
+Oramus
www.stalinsociety.org/2015/04/08/homosexuality-in-the-ussr/
sinthoras I'm dumb, youre right about that. I forgot how backward the 20th century was as a whole regarding homosexuality
Great video, Badmouse. However, in fascists society there always have been a intense class struggle, but from your description and from what I had googled, there seems to exists no class struggle, just a fucked up world. And as history shows, fascist do not claim to restore tradition and glory as much as advocate that they are the bringers of a new system and would be better than before.this system would require struggle and scarifice, but would be worth fighting for the "people", but they would have actual benefits instead of simply being motivated by ideas. For example, there had been resistance from within all along, but only near the end did many people became disenfranchised. However, what benefit did they bring? They have the only women in the world, is actually attacking its own people, so its seems that they are at most extreme consevatives with a limited knowledge of science than fascist. The part on how ill prepared fascists were for power, though, is spot on.
and its pretty hard to use class analysis in this world as people are biologically very different
"However, in fascists society there always have been a intense class struggle"
Oh? As far as I know, fascist societies managed to subdue worker unrest quite well and pacify the workers at home via hyper-exploitation of conquered subjects and those excluded from the national body.
sorry i didnt make it clear, but i am referring to the state before fascists took over. and no, they didnt manage to subdue worker unrest initially, if that is what you are referring to, if not, why the need to arrest communists in the first place? as for your final point, that is what i am implying in a part of my comment
"they didnt manage to subdue worker unrest initially, if that is what you are referring to, if not, why the need to arrest communists in the first place?"
Well yeah, they subdued worker unrest by throwing any potential trouble makers into concentration camps. They also threw in some social programs here and there, Zuckerbrot und Peitsche (sweetbread and whip) as the Germans say.
I swear bad mouse said he is no longer a anarchist and is more communist now???
Not a fan of the Greek ones?!!!! It's ROMAN!!!! Grrrrr.
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Love your videos, please look him up though. Absolute legend.
ROMA INVICTA!
Can you talk about Tito for one of your videos.
Fascism is a social virus.
i believe you're confusing national socialism with fascism. what your are referring is national socialism not fascism.