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Ron Miller here: I was the production illustrator on the 1984 Dune and what I think you guys did here is just amazing!
Mad respect to you for your hard work in the industry.
wow that's awesome!
So much respect for you rn
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WOW🤩
I love how whenever someone at corridor realizes that they’ve bitten off way more than they can chew with a vfx project, the crew turns it into a spiritual journey documentary
Like Wren with the nerf drone?
I literally only just realized Patrick Stewart was in the older dune movie, first in next gen, next in moby dick and now in dune, he was a prolific actor
@@ianweckhorst3200 another favorite early role of his for me was in Excalibur where he played a knight loyal to Arthur fighting off those who weren't
@@Nefylym sounds like him given the knighting for Shakespearean acting
for a VFX company you'd think they would knock these all out of the park by now.
I was the senior producer on graphics in Dune 1984! Y’all did amazing!
No you weren’t, I was!
@@solame4983 No me
@@solame4983 What are you two talking about? I never noticed you two working under my team. I was the senior producer on graphics in Dune 1984.
No I was
Nuh uh, I was the senior producer! Yall were juniors made to think you guys were senior!
Huge respect to Matt and Jordan -- and the original Dune artists. Insane amount of work and creativity.
I'd love to see other videos tackling this same concept, like a Godzilla vs Kong with actual suits and stop motion!
that would be more awesome
That would probably still look better than the actual movie lol
@@themexican8720 That's a hot take if I've ever seen one.
@@Martin-yh7vi I am of the belief that CG is the best way to portray Kaiju. But Godzilla vs Kong dropped the ball so hard that even well executed suitmation would be more believable.
Another: Escape from New York. All that "wire-frame" was done in camera with reflective tape! I'd love to see them talk about that.
since you're on the subject of Dune, why not fill in the space travel sequence on the new dune with those large, "vomity", spice-filled space guild navigators? I'd love to see your take on it.
As long as they make the worms have Jake's face... he is the navigator of the Corridor after all :D (and vomiting all those ads at us :D)
🤣🤣
Oh yeah, the most revolutionary part of the movie... hahahaha Jeez that was cheezy. Good call to just skip it in the new movie.
This!
@@paulmichaelfreedman8334 Nothing to consider adding since it wasn't in the book anyways
15:00 holy shit that turbulent displacement film riot reference was such a throwback to the old days.
Bammie Wham!
Now what if you give OLD Dune NEW VFX
That’s what I thought this video would be.
As a colorblind person, imagine my surprise in learning there is a visual clue to each hit in the fight scenes.
Oh snap... colorblind people in the Dune universe are FUCKED
Dude same. So much same. I never knew.
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Oh wow I never considered that. Are you completely colorblind? I wonder if you changed the colors to something like green and magenta would that work?
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Matt's mental breakdown scene was pure art. Amazing stuff all 'round!
I love it when my favorite TH-camrs show up in the comments of my other favorite TH-camrs.
Oh hi Harry, long time fan
@T-51b Soldier damn 😅
when you gonna release portal 3? You're portal god right?
@T-51b Soldier Bro he's been doing it for ten years straight lmfao
I loved those shields in 84’. They may not be perfect but they were unique. TNG emulated them with the debut of the Borg in the second season episode Q-Who.
As an After Effects animator I have to say, Matt is insane. 230 some layers?!?! Maddening, absolutely insane. Mad props though!
I remember reading a story years ago that the VFX artist tasked with rotoscoping all of the Fremen blue-within-blue eyes in the 1984 version had a nervous breakdown after a solid year of working on the film...
He just stares at peoples eyes and makes them blue all day everyday
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116Hahah yeah, that would depress the best of us.
No wonder they trimmed the story around that point
I liked how they pointed out "9 seconds in 7 days..." as if to make him feel bad, bur no...
It just illustrates the reason why VFX house have dozens, if not a couple hundred, artists working on several scenes at any given time and why post production can take up to a year to finish up.
As usual, great work guys.
Oh, and for a challenge, I dare y'all to step out of y'alls comfort zone and make 2D animated shorts.
Yeh that's life for animators. I'm surprised that vfx artists would think that's a lot. Whether you're animating in 2d, or doing 3d creature effects or whatever, it'll take a long time to animate
they weren't trying to make him feel bad, its just banter, they all laughed at it and were smiling.
“I’m the best VFX artist ever.”
“Do a walk cycle.”
“…”
They joke about how inefficient and painful it is to do, not really his skill.
Also if this has been like they originall did it with an optical printer it would've taken 100 times as long.
@@ryankramer Yup...the walk cycle separates the men from the boys....
Its fun to laugh and joke about the old dune.
But I think the fact that the internet has paid it so much attention is a testament to what a groundbreaking/under-appreciated work of art it is.
No one who loves cinema laughs at Dune
@@altar7885yeah that's true 😅
It's pretty incredible. All the models and the micro sand in the old Dune is just awesome. So many manual effects
@@altar7885 You're right, I cry. The effects were spectacular, but they butchered the story so badly, all that hard work was pretty much wasted.
@@altar7885Why though? Roblox shield are funny and so is the Harkonen other than that it is a serious SF movie with well depicted world building
The story is great, the movie is horrible David Lynch himself admits it and it’s not his fault they asked him to condense THE ENTIRE FIRST BOOK which Denis had to literally split into 2 separate basically 2.5 hour movies, into what, 2 hours and 17 minutes?? With the special effects used in 1984?? no way
12:05 I appreciate that they animated this on top of everything else
I appreciate that he kept his body and left arm stationary to minimize the amount of work they'd need to do
Man I cannot tell you how happy seeing Film Riots 'turbulent displacement' made me! Such great stuff guys!
Yes me too!
I grinned ear to ear
I looked for this comment!!!!
Took me WAY back!
yes that was amazing
I feel Matt's pain. When you take on a no brainer project that could've been done easily but you chose to challenge yourself, and on the 30th hour of doing like 1 shot you remember that YOU BROUGHT THIS ON YOURSELF. WILLINGLY.
THIS! I swear to god, EVERY TIME!
And look at him, he bore through it, like a man, until he reached a breaking point, in which he, at the correct time, gave himself such modern liberties.
I love that effects have come so far since the early 80’s, that younger people seem to not be too amazed and resorted back to simple block characters.
I worked on the 1984 version as an on-set assistant. What you guys achieved here was awesome - Richard Schniffer
The moment I heard you say "turbulent displacement" the only thing in the world I wanted was the Film Riot clip and you guys delivered. THANK YOU
😂 same I started singing it before they even cut to the clip
Same
Yesssd
I'd love to see a modern / re-imagined look at the DeLorean's time-travel / fire-trails effect.
i dont think thay need it but thats just me
@@Thefreakyfreek I know! That's why it would be interesting. New Dune definitely didn't need a "downgrade" to look like Dune '84... but this turned out to be a very fun project, so why not?
SAME!!!
Oh that will be so interesting
@@Jogwheel true
I saw Dune in 1984 at the cinema. I remember being blown away by the shields, it was amazing. The slow blade penetrates the shield!
I don't know if it nostalgia but I do prefer the original shields to the new film's!
Thanks for this video, you did a great job. I take my hat off to the guys back in 1984 who made the original.
The authenticity of Matt's effect is incredible
Those layers all better have been labelled Matt.
If they are, I can't help but feel they'd be some Lovecraftian apocalyptic log, where around the 160th layer he starts invoking Yog-Sothoth with prayer and beseeching him for aid, offering his own blood to strike down those who sent him down this path of geometric madness.
You know, WALOL
Copy Of Layer 162_Final_def(3)
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Yeah Matt. Because We. Always. Label. Our. Layers.
It really shows how much effects technology has progressed that a single person can do so much in just a week.
i'm sure that with enough energy drinks they can do it in 4... or maybe even 3.5 days!
Well if they did a similar effect to the new movie for the sheilds it would take way less time then too.
Third time rewatching. Love that you got some recognition from someone who worked on the original. All I'm waiting for is David Lynch to share his thoughts on the process of making it by hand. Judging by the silence, it might've been too painful for him 🤣
Gotta say, that Lynch absolutely hated the process of making this movie and how much he has to strafe from his original ideas, so I wouldn't be surprised, that he could't hate those either, there's a real chance xd
Love it when you guys do these sort of challenges. I'd love to see you do something like Jason and the Argonauts with modern effects, like the giant Achillies statue or the army of skeletons.
man, it was sublime when the cardboard-covered versions appeared. outstanding.
Niko always looks so genuinely happy and proud listening to his colleagues describe the creative ways they work around problems
A lot of "leaders" could learn a lot from him. In any industry.
All props to the guy doing it old-school. We all got a real appreciation for the original FX artists here.
I still think y'all should do a version where you see the view from inside the shield. If we see that much visual distortion from the outside, there should be a little bit of projected distortion frim the inside.
You could even play around with it through creative liberty and decide whether the character insude the shield can see their opponent's shield the way that the audience does, or if the view from inside actually softens the harsh crystalline properties of the opponent's shield.
I dk, maybe I'm thinking too far into it, but it could be a cool concept for a video
The old rotoscoping technique being used to replicate a 3d program process is somewhat in line
for Dune, as computers are banned in Dune.
Artificial Intelligence is banned in the Dune Universe , basically any program that thinks for itself, this is due to the Butlerian Jihad, or the war of machines, thousands of years in their history. They went back to analog steampunk Sharia Civilization track after that.
I prefer the second one. Matt's version offered the original look while also looked more appealing without all the extra reflections and visual effects blocking the actors.
The 3D glossy was awesome, but its edges were way too shiny, they should have been more subtle.
@@dreamspacepresident3356 looked like jello vs looking like glass.
I was surprised at how much work they had to put into it. I haven't fooled with animation for quite awhile, but Id think by now, that process they used would be mostly automated. Like a character skin they could snap to the actors.
But at the same time, was it worth it? No, absolutely not
I agree
The turbulent displacement throwback was amazing..... Love those guys
I still find it funny that the effect used in the 2021 movie would've actually been completely doable in the 80s
but he wanted a box dammit!
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It arguably would have been easier AND looked better.
I heard that the producers were very concerned that the 80's movie would look still look good on VHS and the 24" TVs we all had back then, so possibly that made the big box effect preferable.
I quite like the effect TBH, it wasn't a tired visual cliche that we'd all seen before and it looked OK for the Dune universe which had some tech that was miles ahead of ours... but had also iirc outlawed any sort of digital computers. It looks kinda analogue.
Thats the thing what makes me angry when you do it in 2D you can make anything but no Boxes XD
The boxes caught me by surprise....and earned my like. Love you guys.
right? thumbs up right there!!!
also... Matt's is better...
Really appreciate the work, both turned out great!!!
I did notice in the new movie that it's kinda hard to tell what the shield does or what it can or can't do or when it's on or not.
Kinda important as in Dune laser weapons create nuke explosions when hitting a shield and shields attract worms etc.
When the cardboard came out… that was the hardest I have ever tried to not LOL in the office. Just brilliant.
The crew needs to find the original artists from the '84 Lynch film, & interview them about how batshit insane they went rotoscoping all those shapes.
This!
That would be so cool , but doubtful that they would speak with them after they were so utterly condescending of their years worth of hard work .
@@SabbaticusRex What the hell are you on? How in the hell were they condescending???
@@SabbaticusRex unlike you, they probably have no issues with this video and chances are themselves learned and applied newer and better techniques going forward in their careers. You cannot be in the creative industry if you gonna act butthurt about things like this, technology evolves and processes get refined.
@@otteration9891 “It is weird spending this much time making a fight scene look objectively worse. That’s something I’m still coming to terms with [laughs] “
Love these effects. I thought the new shields weren't anything special but the original shields and the new shields created here are AMAZING! Thank you for all your hard work! I used to rotoscope back in the day so I feel that pain haha
I absolutely LOVE the original idea and look. It looks so doable from an engineers pov. I was blown away in the cinema when I saw it.
I didn't expect to see Film Riot's turbulent displacement dance. A surprise to be sure but a welcome one
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You should rename this episode to, "Visual artists lose their minds recreating the old DUNE VFX"
"and shitting on the new one" lol
@@D3DPrints making a joke by overselling how good the box shield looks
I like how the old shields you could tell were activated. The new ones were invisible until struck.
You guys ROCK! Thank you, I loved those original shields back in the day when the movie came out, so thanks again.
Matt is insane for doing this, but the darker less glossy shields really looked great!
Kudos Matt and respect!
It's so much cleaner and easier to fallow. Really does work surprisingly well.
Yeah, as much as the newer shields look impressive, Matt nailed the style of the original so well.
6:47 thank you wren in the background for that amazing image
I was looking for this comment! Don’t worry wren we appreciate you encompassing your character.
@@haracka7 method acting taking to a whole new level
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was looking for this
Yesss I am so happy that you are looking for more old school effects to recreate, that kind of stuff is so interesting
I have to agree, the box shields look so awesome. Great work guys!
Big props to Matt for his ingenuity, pain endurance, and psychic damage (he had the experience everyone had after their first 5 hour playing binge of Tetris.)
Meanwhile, Jordan cheat coded his way through it, but with no less exquisite result in his details and a fresh take on the effect.
It's like remastered video games - the new effects look amazing, but the original style still holds an aesthetic value that lends a magic to it.
Star Trek nerd here. I'd love to see you guys tackle doing some Star Trek VFX with a modern spin, like the transporter effect, shields/forcefields, warp travel, etc. Make them look as flashy and cool looking as possible!
or maybe how they'd reimagine the Tribbles? OOOOOR making every Tribble moment in a Rated-R Horror death scene???
great idea. would love that. they should also mention the new great wonderful masterpiece of a series called discovery and how they FUCKED UP.
guys when you do this stuff on star trek please consider going for the old one.
the next generation/deep space nine/Voyager or maybe even original star trek.
Maybe, amp up some of the model explosions.
Requests like this are how you “Discover” effects like a spore drive jump, rotating ship elements that don’t make sense, and turbolifts that navigate inside an expansive pocket universe instead if turboshafts.
This.
This is officially my favorite youtube channel Now. Hands down guys, awesome work.
I mean - the hand drawn one, even though it's only 10 seconds is simply amazing.... really really looks like the original, and it looks really good too. Mad props. I did 3d geometry in the 90s, and it was tough then. I can't believe what you guys can do in just a few days... Wow.
Mad respect, Matt. You sacrificed your health and sanity to realize David Lynch's dream of blocky shields.
David Lynch, you son of a gun...
Fear isn't the mind killer, David Lynch is.
I love how you guys make it seem like it’s a disappointment that he only got 9 seconds done in a week while also showing how insane and difficult it is to even get those 9 seconds. That’s one of the things that makes this channel great!
That cart box opening is just gold, carked me up so hard 🤣
I’m completely blocked up rn
"I can crush my soul from the comfort of my own bed." Man, if that doesn't sum up the modern age I don't know what does. Loved the video though, really showcases the dedication of older creators and the awesome new tools we have now.
They both look good and even though Matt's nearly drove him crazy, his feels more like an updated version of the original than Jordan's. Great job, guys!
gotta say the older shields closing always was so satisfying
This is *exactly* what I wanted the new Dune to look like.
Jordan is one of my favorites in the Crew. He's so chill. I'd probably be happy working on a job with him.
I love the cardboard box fight. It's a great to see some practical effects before getting into the VFX madness.
Jordan's rendition is amazing. It blends the retro shields with the aesthetic of the new film
Jordan’s version is like when I play remastered versions of old video games. Like it looks like how I remember it looking at the time. But then if I actually compare side by side, I see that it was still vastly improved.
Love it! I always adored the shield sequences in 1984 Dune and you guys nailed the feel of them here. And those cardboard ones? Totally gonna cosplay that at a comic con! As for updating an old effect, one of my favourites has always been the Enterprise warp drive and how each film and TV show tackles it differently - almost like a different actor getting to play the same role, but with the same key attributes, in this case, stretched ship, rainbow trails, vanishing point pop. As a teen I liked STII and STIII the most, possibly thanks to ILM's model work, but looking back now, ST TMP is probably my favourite. I thought it was a bit OTT at the time, but I really like it now. I think a satisfying warp is about striking the right balance between spectacle, grace and even a bit of nature. Oh yeah, and a good whoosh sound effect is mandatory. Keep it classy Corridor!
The boxes literally look worse, it was a fun experiment and an educative experience however.
cant tell if this is sarcastic or not
@@CozyJuffyWuff do you mean the boxes from 1984 Dune or the boxes on this video? It's all down to personal preference which of course will be also be influenced to some degree by nostalgia. As I said in my comment, I loved 1984 Dune when it came out, so the shields on film have always looked like that for me. There's something really basic and cartoony about them that I liked, so from that perspective I though the crew here did a great job at updating that look.
@@raijinical which part? I wasn't being sarcastic anywhere in my comment.
Yeah, star trek's old shield effect is pretty good.
This whole episode honestly made me laugh out loud, such a chill group of artists, thanks guys
I would love to see David Lynch watching this and finding those memories in joy. Also him reacting to your work.
Good job you do all day there. I hope you share some... shares to the company you work 😋
Yes!!!! I wish you could do the whole movie!!!! Every scene with shields in it. Can you imagine when the invasion scene happens and there are just hundreds of these shields on screen? It would be so friggin glorious!
Thank you for doing this video. I have mad respect to the crew.
I supervised a lot of the shield work on the new Dune… definitely sharing this with the team. Love it!
It would be GREAT if you guys did a tier list of the hardest VFX shots ever achieved in movies! This Dune effect would definitely be on the top 10 or maybe 5 for example..
It's pretty difficult to quantify such a thing. How do you compare two shots and decide which one is "hardest"? What if one was made by 2 people and the other by 150? Or one was practical and the other one digital? How do you account for the fact that what might be difficult in 2008 can be a lot easier with newer softwear in 2009? By that logic, weren't all the hardest vfx shots in the 30s and 40s, because they didn't have any of the tools we have today?
Checkout The Movies That Made Us on Netflix, the Jurassic Park episode. Sounds like they sure did some crazy sh*t :)
this is awesome. Corridor always experimenting on a different method to create vfx.
TURBULANT DISPLACE!!!!!!! That film riot cameo was the best 😂🤣😂
I was thinking about the problems Matt was dealing with, and I'm wondering if approaching the project with a classic animator's mindset would've helped.
I do 2D animation and I can tell you with a lot of confidence that going frame by frame isn't the most efficient when you're dealing with solid shapes.
If I had to approach this, I'd use "pose to pose", followed by breakdowns.
If anyone from Corridor is reading this I'd love to hear about why some of these decisions were made!!
Great work either way!!
@niduoe stre On FILM that too!!! Pure torture
I've used the pose to pose method and it's the fastest way, when the transition from one pose to another doesn't quite look right you just add another pose in between to correct it. In some places you may find you need a pose for every frame but those moments will be far between the bulk
Pose to pose is indeed the best way to animate frame by frame, if you messed up somehow, you still have the main poses to work and reference with
Can I see some of you work? Not that I have any doubts on your abilities, I genuinely just want to see more styles from 2d animators
@@spudman1734 For sure!! I think TH-cam keeps deleting my replies because I'm plugging my Instagram, so if there's any other way I could reach you let me know! (I'll post a reply under this one to try putting my username in another way)
seriously both versions are amazing in their own way. the new one looks like it's a crazy person came up with a VFX shot in modern days, and the other one looks like well the 1984. the fact he did that by himself is pretty cool
there's nothing amazing about that old Dune cardbox fight, it looks as awful as it gets 😅😅
I'm so happy you used the Film Riot clip, that's one of my favorite clips from back in the day. Josh looks so different now with the beard and hair.
For one, shields don't exist... so nobody knows what they look like.
It was a joke my guy
I actually love Lynch's shield design. I definitely don't think they are for Dune but it's one of the few concepts of future combat that really does seem foreign.
Onestly i think it looks horrible in the old movie but i have nothing else but respect for the artists. Even though its such a slow process to create those scenes, the fights are still fucking long to just watch the end result.
I agree . Especially when everything just looks so 'samey' these days . These kids are being condescending and elitist about a groundbreaking process that took over a year to make back when all they had was 1980s tech .. AND the work was unique unlike every single project these guys do which is just pop culture and movies re-done . So much respect to those original artists .
@@SabbaticusRex Bro... it makes the scene objectively difficult to read. The movements, the actors' faces, the tension, all of it hidden behind layers of weird blocky reflective shapes. The idea was a crazy one, and props to the original artists, but making art is also realizing your own mistakes, no matter how much time you sunk into a project. These 1984 shots might have been an incredible technical feat, it does not make the film better for it.
@@incog.nyto. I suppose them just making shield sounds with their mouths would have been better .
@@SabbaticusRex They could have just made them glow like every other old sci-fi and spent their budget elsewhere...
Thankfully you didn't have to hand draw every frame like in the original!
Bro those effects look amazing! 🙏🏽 love the retro vibe
wow, just wow guys, no words to describe how spectacular job u did.
I actually like the Lynch shields, they remind me of Marcel Duchamp's Nude Descending a Staircase No. 2. Sadly they don't hide the obviously replaced stunt actors but it is unique.
This whole thing is perfection. The humor, timing and dialogue.
Explorers 1985 movie. Kid in a bubble scene.
i like the original shields too... also they create the impression that you really do need to use a sliptip to get through one of these things...
but they look so terrible and stupid 😭
This was so wonderful to watch. Thanks for doing this. From a post production guy, showing the struggle we go through to achieve such disregarded things, it feels validating. ha ha ha ha.
All this did was make me really really need to see a collab between Corridor Crew and Film Riot. Please make that happen. Maybe have both crews do a dance off to the Turbulent Displace Man song...that would be the most fire thing ever.
Agreed!!
Man, I really like the way the hand drawn one turned out. It had the feel of what they were going for with the original while being way clearer in seeing what was going on. Very well done, well worth the effort.
basically in a nutshell, the old 1984 Dune is just 3D rectangular prisms whereas the 2021 and 2024 Dune movies is more like actually having an: Energy, Echani Dueling, Arkanian energy, Verpine Prototype, or Mandalorian Melee from the Knights of the Old Republic Games.
Definitly more Matt! So funny to watch him 😂 Also awesome FilmRiot reference 😁
I love that Jordan named Josh Brollin's shield element, "shield-thanos"
looking at the old dune fight scene without seeing it prior honestly left me blown away at the creativity of it and how well it was done
12:00 when I play minecraft for several hours straight and I take a break and see the real world:
Great video, love the humor and great results. Just wish you had mentioned your sponsors more ! :
This is a rare one where I think both are great I’m really different ways- one feels like it actually wouldn’t be out of place in the new film, and one feels like an incredible recreation of the original technique! Well done guys 👏
Please do a modern version of The Last Starfighter final battle and Death Blossom sequence. Totally love that you all are revisiting the 80s and revealing the level of effort that was involved in creating special effects in movies 35+ years ago.
Skip to 21:13 to see it done
14:55 turbulent displacement song
we got a Film Riot fans here