Conscious Agents Beyond Space and Time - Exchange your Cleverness for Bewilderment
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- Conscious Agents Beyond Space and Time - Exchange your Cleverness for Bewilderment. A Conversation with Deepak Chopra, Donald D. Hoffman and Jennifer K. Hill.
Donald D. Hoffman is the Professor of Cognitive Sciences, University of California, Irvine and the author of “The Case Against Reality: Why evolution hid the truth from our eyes.” His book can be found here - www.amazon.com...
Jennifer K. Hill is a seasoned professional speaker with over 20 years of experience. She made a successful exit from her first company in 2018. She has established herself as a recognized expert in her field, having appeared on major news outlets such as KNX Radio, BBC News, ABC, NBC, FOX, and E! News, and been quoted in reputable publications like The Ladders and Glassdoor.
Hill was recently accepted as a member of the Evolutionary Leaders Circle, a group of thought leaders created by Deepak Chopra and Barbara Marx Hubbard. She holds a Bachelor of Arts in Psychology from the University of California, Irvine, and is a member of the Dean's Leadership Society at UCI.
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Thank you all for this wonderful contribution to the treasure hunt that I call my life 😌
I have really missed these conversations and am so grateful for the infinitesimal light they shine . No words can really express their value . Namaste 🙏 Diann
Good Girl! 👌
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
So happy you enjoyed it!
Thanks for this thought provoking and contemplative discussion. 🙏
Thank you so much for sharing.
It's a great pleasure to listen and going back within oneself to find the images of your words 🙏❤
Best greetings and have a good Sunday
I've read Hoffman's Case Against Reality and it's a compelling case
Only to those DELUDED fools who are unable to comprehend accurate concepts. 🤡
Ditto. Have you read Kastrup or Antony Peake or anything by Philip K Dick? Koinos Kosmos shows that consensual reality which physicists call Non-local realism is now proven to be an illusion.
@@samrowbotham8914 only pkd. Actually started reading PKD backwards starting with his exegesis to better understand his mystical experience. However, he kept referencing older works so I ended up reading most of his books. Who do you recommend next for further reading?
Great talk. I appreciate the effort of trying to understand each other. In the end there's a gap that remains. I've been studying quantum theory for 40 years now and also practising mediattion. I have only one response after listening. Stop talking, just breathe!
Great and lowly are RELATIVE. 😉
Incidentally, it’s called “Spell-Check”. ✅
Look into it, SILLY Sinful Slave. 👨🏻🎓
Thanku so much 4what u have synthesized at this chat 💋🙏♾️🇦🇷
Kindly repeat that in ENGLISH, Miss.☝️
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
Another awesome Interview with Hoffman! The 4 interview I watched on TH-cam this week. Always some new interviews being done!! ❤❤️😀
Dro DEEPAK CHOPRA GRACIAS GRACIAS GRACIAS
Kindly repeat that in ENGLISH, Miss.☝️
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
Great video ✌
Great and lowly are RELATIVE. 😉
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
Fascinating! I enjoyed very much this conversations❤
Jennifer darling, to plants and animals as Well🙏 Love is all there is.💋✌️♾️
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@@jenniferkhill, I don’t really care what any particular person BELIEVES. You may believe that there is an old man with a white beard perched in the clouds, that the Ultimate Reality is a young blackish-blue Indian guy, that the universe is eternal, that Mother Mary was a certifiable virgin, or that gross physical matter is the foundation of existence.
The ONLY thing that really matters is your meta-ethics, not your meta-physics. Do you consider any form of non-monarchical governance (such as democracy or socialism) to be beneficial? Do you unnecessarily destroy the lives of poor, innocent animals and gorge on their bloody carcasses? Do you believe homosexuality and transvestism is moral? Do you consider feminist ideology to be righteous? If so, then you are objectively immoral and your so-called “enlightened/awakened” state is immaterial, since it does not benefit society in any way.
@@jenniferkhill Hi! I've experienced the whole of time opening up- a Szilard Shunt- simply by telling myself to cease thinking. The familiar vista melted- to reveal the future for approx 4sec. whence furniture & a sense of the geographic location on earth we're shown. I have also looked into Gabriel's Horn- replete w/ life & infinite love- whilst time stood still. Time is fundamental & a form of pseudo gravity resolves the moment of now().
Anyone else boggling out about the idea that, if Hoffman is onto something, this is an infinite consciousness trying to figure out if it exists or not?
Please explain Mr. Hoffman, when exactly does infinity equal one?
Don is on next level compared to Deepak. Too many has wove their ego and career to quantums and so to understand new paradigm (quantums (as well as space-time) are not fundamental) that Don represent is almost impossible.
Last words from Jennifer "quantum field of consciousness" summaries this so awkwardly well.
Her comment on Quantum was bang on
@@ruthcrites As well you may say atom field of consciousness or element field.. or replace first word with what ever subject you like and it is not right. It just sounds cool.
Every child knows what time-space is,
'space-time', is to 'tiny', to give any meaning.
All Life-Units have Eternal Consciousness,
Conscious Agents, is Life-Units
fascinating!
In this interview Hoffman uses verbal misdirection to lead the listener across unsupportable leaps in logic.
At 26:00 he uses a form of holon theory to assert that there is only one conscious agent. The problem with this usage is that Holons aren't exclusively top down. As a matter of fact his conscious agent theorem is a bottom up approach that shows that "the one conscious agent" can't exist without the conscious agents that it consists of. He's misdirecting your thought progression away from the concept of multiple conscious agents to the desired concept of one conscious agent. The problem with his "sets" of conscious agents makes one conscious agent is that the set is a collection of conscious agents. We humans tend to "one" everything that becomes complex. We create a mental construct of one thing that represents a collection. The "one" is a mentally constructed illusion that helps us grasp complexity and complicatedness.
He then goes on to explain the concept of multiple kinds of infinities and while you're processing that he inserts the unrelated concept that the ancients are right, that there is only one consciousness, and all these infinities prove it, creating a false connection in your thought progression.
Ok then, can you explain how infinity becomes one?
Both of these attempts to explain how his theorems work require an unsupportable leap in logic. The same unsupportable leap that the ancients made and we're still unsuccessfully trying to find a way to prove them right.
Please Mr, Hoffman, stand down.
The mention of quantum reminded me of my identical twin cousins. One was hundreds of kilometers away and he called his mom to find out what was wrong with his twin because he felt so sick he had gone to the Dr and there was nothing wrong with him but it was his twin that was very sick but he hadn't talked to him
wow
This Chopra Well didn’t cater to the Average persons understanding. To say we know it’s there but won’t be able to measure it for Generations. If we were to feed this information to Artificial Intelligence, this could be the illusion that Ends this Earth as we know it!
Love is the Ultimate degree of our Creators intelligence. Perplexity is 2 Blues Guitarist playing and answering one another....
Are you a THEIST? 🤔
If so, what are the reasons for your BELIEF in God? 🤓
@@elydan6049, what you have written presupposes freedom of volition. ☝️
However, it is a demonstrable scientific fact that EVERY thought, action, and motion that has occurred in the phenomenal universe was entirely determined by every preceding action, all the way back to the “Big Bang” singularity event. 🤓
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Good Girl! 👌
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
The universe is a hole one universe and holographic what happens when place is recorded everywhere else instantaneously. Everything was in the universe but know where it is and what it's doing in relationships do everything else at all times so the universe will build to form itself and keep it consistent logical ongoing map that you find not only on the scale as a whole but in every single piece of it just like it says when you're talking about Indra web that's what holographic is there don't need to be any conscience agent because all the space-time itself is conscious or mind anyways as the Consciousness part is mind acting in time
So much talk about nothing
It's really easy to combine relativity with quantum mechanics if you realize that the space-time Continuum is only half of the problem because since space is curved by the the things within it that means you must curved back upon itself becoming a singularity and that is the Mind Time Singularity the other half of the space-time Continuum because the only thing that stop space or picks out one point out of an infinite Continuum and creates the present moment of now is Consciousness which is mind acting in space time is the thing that picks out a location point in a Continuum of spatial dimensions mind is the thing that picks out a point in time present moment from space arises nothingness which is a impossibility because information which means there is a mind that must know this information and to know everything there is to know this Unity that is the Mind must divide itself up into an infinite amount of finite units as this Unity is infinite intensity cuz it's a singularity. Now that's my theory of everything and it's not just a theory it's actually what happens and there's a couple little other factors involved here because nothingness is is the set of all sets that means it's the largest Infinity there is so the other side of the yin and yang which is infinity is not able to expand yet this is supposed to be a 50-50 balance but luckily there's another opposite involved with nothingness and that is something or the physical universe to all the extra energy has a place to go and nothingness expanding the time-space continuum weather Singularity that is infinity is the mind time singularity in these forms ever expanding ever multiplying fractals of strange Loops that are open to create a spiral type thing and as the largest spatial Continuum courage back upon itself to form the smallest dentist Singularity at the point of Consciousness and the present moment you cannot see the transition because you are the transition you are the strange Loop just like Hostetler said and since each strange Loop is its own strange Loop and not no other and that is the one characteristic that has all on its own you can put that Tangled hierarchy into a ordered hierarchy which is something that drove Cantor mad trying to figure out how to do. I almost got this stuff all worked out but I'm not a mathematician I don't know anything about differential equations or algebraic geometry so I need a little help. But basically we need to give value to Consciousness and that is the other side a relativity so we can call it quantum relativity which is the smaller half of the strange Loop and the point of Consciousness itself must have a mathematical function which is a paradox actually but this is where all opposites come together. In fact all things come together this is a pattern at the center of infinity and then lastly some type of value must be given to Identity so we can put the Infinities in a hierarchy based on identity not computation and that is the problem Cantor had. You can base it on computation in a temporal fashion based on identity are cardinality as he like to call it. But his cardinalities are like putting a bandage on a wound just like renormalization is in thermal electrodynamics are the standard model. What I'm talking about is a way to get exact computation and infinity must be counted somehow as a geometry and a pattern or vibration and not as a computational number value because within the infinity you cannot do that because there's always one more to go that is why God had to divide himself up into an infinite number if I not units in the first place to learn what everything he was is so he can create it so he can be it. Plus nothing this is an impossibility and unity is nothingness. Besides all that Krishna must have his pastimes are you going to be in true hell of a loneliness all eternity
Non-local correlation you can just use the word holographic or just say indra's jewels or web
Yeah when you talk about Infinity that it's not just the size of the infinity is the cardinality of the infinity and what type of infinity because there's completed infinity or literal Infiniti which is a singularity from the outside of it and as it goes you can never see it completed Infinity from inside of it so that is always a potential Infiniti one that you were counting from within and you can never reach the end. But there's numeric Infinities or amounts like computation then there's spatial Infinities there's temporal infinities if you don't have a lot to do with dualities cuz there's absolute dualities and relative dualities and that's why time and space in quantum physics can't be United as well because they don't have any numbers or mathematical operations to describe these things in their calculations as of yet I hope to change this
The Singularity is this is infinite inside is infinity is outside because it is just Infinity curved back upon itself
She hadn't experienced almost like mine when I seen it infinity and I was realizing that all the people I've ever loved to known in my life would be with me forever and that this little life this little time of Separation was so small compared to Infinity that everyone was literally a part of me forever and it just filled me with this energy then all sudden I seen the Paradox at the center of all creation where everything comes from but my mind's not equipped to see all these different infinity right now when was burned my mind up that's how it was actually reduced to a Singularity instead of being in infinite number of things I seen a pattern instead and it was a geometric vibrating pattern that had triples in it that's why all Duality is directly triplicities for Trinity is actually Trinity is taking turns participate in a duality because there are always two dualities fundamentally there's nothingness and infinity then nothingness and something that's why in mythology you have the god that dies and is reborn and kills his father to become God this is what the Christian Trinity represents and it is nothing more than explaining past present and future are all dualities actually but the point of the present is the point of the Paradox and that is where Infinity is condensed into a singularity or pattern of vibrating Trinity's dancing and taking turns in a duality
Ultimate unity is an impossibility because ultimate unity is nothingness
Man Deepak Chopra is starting to look very old I hope he's well maybe it's just been too long since I watched the video with him on it but he also looks very skinny too. If you're not ill my friend my prayers go out to you I hope you're okay
Yes you do in because it's a strange Loop the largest of infinity is nothingness which is the smallest of infinity is the ground for it all but it's a strange Loop and it's ever moving forward on the River of time and entropy so that transitional place the point of now is in constant motion so what just was the largest of infinity is becoming the smallest is one back every Loop and then another one back and then another one and so on and so forth and in another and then our mirrored existence it is happening the opposite way
Are mathematics can still get there it's called the number zero
That was great. I have also been to those places. 🙏🏼🤍🥰
Thanks for sharing. 🙏🏼
Great and lowly are RELATIVE. 😉
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
Yeah Deepak is sitting back listen to what Hoffman is saying and he's thinking I read this and this Vedic teaching or that Vedic teaching or whatever and he's right because all the things happen is saying right now they've been saying and Hinduism and Buddhism for millennia
The state of all sets the largest Infinity there is the one that contains everything else is absolute nothingness which is an impossibility and that's where the point of paradox that is consciousness and everything Elsa rises it's the present moment of now it's where all opposites transcend and become each other
Absolute nothingness is the largest power set there is . A blank canvas has far more paintings possible to be painted upon it than one that is completed. But absolute nothingness is an impossibility because the information that exists describing what it is. Is that information means that it's something that's why there's a yin and yang in most eastern religious Traditions but most of them seem to forgot there's also a third part which is the whole or the child of the two or the sun and the Christian Trinity which is like past and future and then you have the present right now that you are focusing on with your mind time singularity which is the physical Universe the other Duality to nothingness
There's nothing material or solid everything is 99.9% emptiness a little bit of stuff there is are vibrating points of zero dimension basically it's all information your mind that's all information is is mind Consciousness is mind acting in time even though mind creates time
It seems to me that Hoffman is still a reductionist I mean they went down to the lowest level of SpaceTime and couldn't find anything else so they're just finding the next little restructure kind of like when they realize that there were things smaller than atoms
Who wants to open some new portals with me?🕳✌️☀️🪽
DEFINITELY not I.