Shotzzy is correct in his assessment. The league is essentially a bunch of grown ass kids. Owners need to start cracking down and remind their players that they are employees. Who need to be held to expectations, not what they want to do while collecting a check.
Owner and league should have mandatory streaming in contracts imo, whether that’s scrims or extra streams but scrims would be easier cause they’re playing em anyways
This take is assuming that each org would agree that their scrims should be streamed. Shotzzy is equally as a crybaby on the matter, he just happens to be the most privileged pro in the league and has the fan base that will agree with him on whatever he says.
@NamelyssActual I'm not an Optic fan and can clearly see he works harder than the majority of the rest of the spoiled nerds that comprise the CDL. Which would include some of his own teammates. He's also correct in his assessment that the majority of these guys are living like they are still in high school instead of acting like like adults . He told no lies when he stated that if the players keep up their current behaviors, there will not be a league for them to make a damn nickel. Not too long from now. Just be a man and say you dislike Optic.and your bias is keeping you from making a statement based on logistics and not emotions. Shotzzy is spot on here. And it needed to be said.
@@arc7xangel897 I never said he hasn't worked his ass off to get where he is at, you can be the hardest working individual in the league and still be the most privileged. He's the most liked player on the most liked team, his opinion is followed without question by a lot of people, that's the definition of privilege in a situation like this. I can make a statement looking at how someone approaches their opinion as a fact without being emotional about it, it's not that deep. Shotzzy is crying about not being able to stream something that the other side isn't agreeing on streaming. Why can't he "be a man" and respect their wishes without crashing out on stream about it? We are fans of a league that makes fun of pros when they turn 25+ that they are old heads but you're expecting 20-22 year olds to be perfectly mature??
This is basically the straw that broke the camels back, us fans as a whole are tired of the "no's"..... no snipers, no smokes, no one tap to sprint, no scrims, no knife, No krig and LAT are taking the most heat because they're the most outspoken about why they said no
@@JMaverikbut you didn’t say that or emphasize that point in your video? Like pick a side Jack which one is it? It’s not like I expected you to dog on LAT but let’s be clear LAT & Scrap are 100% part of the problem this year.
The biggest call of duty show has a narrative that shotzzy wasnt a superstar last year. Lets just face it. Aome players get hate and just cant take it. People reacted like this because Scrap just lashes out and says shit everyone knows is bullshitm dude is a beast but he can dish it and cant take it 😂
Who is twisting narratives aches? Who cares. The subject came up a hundred times last season. Which literally makes it the narrative genius. @@1jaedan
Part of your point is correct. If you don’t want it streamed fine. But Scrap speaks with authority about things he doesn’t even think through. He disrespects people randomly sometimes. I would say he’s not that confident in his team that’s why he wants the element of surprise at the minor. Lastly I think shottzy knows more about what the pros are saying and thinking than you and I. So he’s probably not wrong on how these pros operate.
I mean hydra has been in vacation for a long time ...look at la thieves content his never there either . This kids need to be reminded that this is a job now not now play park @@JMaverik
It’s quite obvious that LAT became the team to hate on this year. They are very clearly the most threatening team to the other top teams and the fan base knows that. So anything that they say and do that other teams or fans don’t agree with is going to be taken to the extreme. With band wagon fans coming to a team when they sign new players, you will get equal amounts of bandwagon haters. It’s very simple, you aren’t allowed to stream scrims if both parties are not in agreement to have them streamed. Just because one team, ironically being the most loved team in the league, decides that scrims should be streamed doesn’t mean that it’s a fact. With that logic then all of the NFL teams better start live streaming their practice for the entire league to watch and have free vod.
@@user-ir3ch4lc5q I can agree with that, I don't condone a lot of the stuff he says and how he reacts to certain situations. However I will still stand by the thought that LAT is getting some unwarranted hate.
@@andrewhucks9579 When I say not allowed, I mean a professional courtesy. Just as Shotzzy expects them to be okay with streaming, he should be okay with them not wanting him to. It’s their practice too.
3:10 its good for periods like these where no one actually wants to play because the game is filled with cheaters and theres nothing to watch because everyones been on break for well over 2 weeks
Great points and i think you have a good level headed approach to this , my only issue with LAT not doing it , is that it might set a precident for others to also not agree too it . Let’s hope it doesn’t
Ant makes a good point about pro players who are wasting a lot of opportunity for themselves to make money. For most of the pros in the CDL your spot is not guaranteed and they should use the time they have to promote their brand and secure their future.
The issue of not streaming scrims isn’t gonna help the game. the pros months ago complaining about how there’s too many online league matches, no one wants to see scrims, they wanna see more LAN events
The pros don't care about the scene, if they cared about the scene they would test more maps over the years and they wouldn't GA weapons that people enjoy to watch AND they would force the league to change the third mode to something other than control, they care about money and that's all, although LAT should be confident enough to play on stream without thinking it will destroy their pool and strats
Stop being so entitled. You get to watch the other 11 teams scrim. Respect that LAT are trying to be as competitive as possible in a professional esports league. They don’t get paid to stream, they get paid to scrim.
Both sides have valid points. Ppl are tweaking. I don’t want optic to stream scrims. It will hurt them in the long run and create unnecessary narratives. Only takes a couple of loses in a tie for reality to set in.
I understand your take Jake the problem is that scrappy has been going against the community since the start of the season (he’s been fighting with the hole community, is not only optic fans), so of course people are going to dunk on them. Besides, they’ve been the most vocal team by far, for better or for worse. Sorry for my bad English lol
Some people would prefer to watch pros and their favorite teams play even if its just practice rather than most streamers that sit on 24/7 nuketown spawn camping randoms.
Optic said no streaming scrims last year and also in vanguard Now that salary cuts have been announced they’re happy to stream and calling out others who won’t I mean hypocrisy!! If your opponents say yes there’s no harm to streaming, it’d be good for the scene but if they say no don’t call them down, it’s their prerogative to say NO
There is a reason Clay isn’t doing the numbers he could be. Because he didn’t care about content. He’s going to have to get a real job soon. And Optic ALWAYS has the most pressure. What a faded take.
i personally don’t get it, shotzzy wanted to be able to stream the scrims but scrap didn’t want their gameplan revealed. Okay cool so then shotzzy most not care about that and wants to stream it all for the fans? then why are comms off….same reason scrap doesn’t want to play on stream just to a different degree shotzzy doesn’t wanna reveal their comms just like scrap doesn’t wanna reveal the entire match to everyone in the league. I can genuinely say it’s incredibly boring to watch just audio scrims that’s just not for me and i know people that agree with that so either stream them and show it all or just don’t stream them because it literally is just for money if there’s no audio no face cam just can’t tell me that’s really what people think will grow the cdl.
Nobody watches scrims. The only time the scene grows is when a Tournament Final happens. Stop acting like content creators or scrims bring in new players/fans. Shotzzy just wants to always cause drama because the fanboys will back him up. 50% of all CDL fans are Optic Gaming supporters! Shotzzy is tweeting like he is 16 years old lol
This is all pointless BS. I don't care if the big ego super team doesn't wanna stream scrims. I don't care if OpTic does. None of that matters nearly as much as Activision screwing over the whole Challengers scene as of Yesterday. There was already going to be no Challs LAN presence in Spain although that is somewhat understandable, and it's been questionable that Dallas 2 Electric Boogaloo will have any Challengers presence, but now the OpTic major 2 won't have it? What a fucking joke. NYSL had their major rescinded because the league wanted more for Challengers, but now that it's the CDL's Golden Child who suddenly can't support Challengers it's not a big deal and they'll just keep T2 online??
I get ur point but I seem to sense some biased here, with the whole but if it was optic argument. If you have to come up with hypothetical scenarios I believe you don’t really have a actual point to stand on
when did I make a "but if it was optic argument?" - what is there to be biased on? I just said all this crying about ONE team not wanting to stream scrims is crazy lmao
Ok bro lets be real how is this competitive disadvantage? Really? We gonna act like these teams dont record the scrims any way to watch and study, as if they will be some super vod if streamed? Lol clay has a complete bias with this because he is a coach to a new team in the league that he can halfa/s communicate with and Scrap does all that yapping saying everyone is ass, that no one is close to him, in the same breath whinning about letting fans see just how non dominate they really are. Smdh at the end of the day its more cod to watch that you will never get from CDL.
clay's tweet is from years ago when he was playing, he's always been against streaming scrims. But overall I mostly agree with you, I want them to stream anyways lol
I think youre underestimating howmuch continues content will build more fans. The more often you show a competitive match scrim or not the more likely a drive by will catch interest. Think about it thats how we all started. We saw or heard about it and it peaked our interest. If you stop producing content you lose the ability to continue to gain new followers and more momentum. At somepoint the pros have to take accountability for their roll in the lack of growth. Im not saying its all their fault but they definitely dont help their case. Content in king to esports. Period. Build a fucking brand. Scrap get heat because he loves to go aginst the fans. Fans want snipers he doesnt, fans want smokes he doesn, fan want scrims he doesnt.
Agreed, but there’s also much more to content than scrims. I’d argue other content is better than no audio scrims are for growing brand and the fan base
ovr some pl are just being weird over a team like if they don't want to play cuz on it being leaked its understand able and ngl scrims is just another way at pointing out teams or players weather they had a dog shit perfomance like its just a scrim and nobody cares at the end of the day it only matters on the day or weather they are playing in the cdl or challengers of ewc this year
go figure a post on the zoomafia community is the one that started this whole debate lol. but like I said on twitter two things can be correct. players should not be only reliant on a salary if they don't have to, making content even maybe streaming scrims. But also people do need to remember these guys are pro players first, they need to make sure they can win by any means. I get both sides, but also from a fan perspective, the maps suck, ranked is full of hackers, and GA's are out of control.
The job of pros isn't winning. The point of tournament is to draw market consumers of products. The pros job is to entertain people to drive market participation. If their decisions for competitiveness makes the game uninteresting then the money dries up and there is no more "pros" these pros and not to throw shade, you to some degree don't understand how a market economy work
Growing the scene requires putting out a good product. I disagree with your take because I’d much rather watch optic vs faze/thieves over any other team
Scrap is just whining. If you think showing your scrims is gonna make or break you, then your team isn't that great to begin with.... really this only hurts the Theives fans who want to get more of their content, nothing else.
Taking up for the biggest yapper and crap talker in the league..gee who knew... you know jake that nade is for the streaming but wont come out openly against his team. Because there is nothing in the stream that is different than in the vod they rewatch without the stream. What is there to gain or lose really id like to know other than yappers ego being checked after fans see he isnt always on top. Honestly i think its bc his ego cant handle it and his mouth is what sets the fans off. He is gotta be in top percent of crashout pros in history smdh
You are missing the point… LA are supposedly the #1 team…… if they are against the streams, these braindead “pros” will then say they don’t want to stream scrims…Also optic are the only org that keeps trying to grow the league when the CDL is in shambles…make all the excuses you want but the ego’s are ruining COD! You have no idea what you are talking about if u are saying ANY team has more pressure than optic ….
I think you’re missing the point. The point is me, you, Shotzzy, other cdl teams: no one should have a say in how LAT (or any team) should do their practice. If they wanna play on stream, they can. If they wanna fly to the moon and play from there, they can. It’s not up to anyone but that camp what they do with their practice 😂
@JMaverik I hear ya. No hate whatsoever, but lots of what you’re saying in this video can be misconstrued as being biased. I’m the same way with my sports teams so I get it lol (I’m unfortunately a Bears and White Sox die hard fan)
Facts !! As a competitor I understand LAT's point of view, in a strategic game, putting your improving process online is just free information for the opponent
But their job is an entertainment one. If people don't watch, there is no money. Their job isn't actually winning. The tournament format is to drive views to make money. These pros don't understand how markets work
@@upcastline9848 no, their job is to play the game and win championship, that's why they are getting paid. I understand your point but before this era there were no sponsorship and attention to e-sports, there were still lan, cash money and a whole scene. If it goes to a point where the scene crashes out (and we are far from it), it will get rebuild again. For me, the reason behind the COD viewership being down is twofold. First the game (ranked play) at a high level is full of cheaters so streamers don't play anymore and actually go out of their way to shit on the game (as they should, something needs to be done). Secondly the early schedule of the CDL is shit. We get two weeks of matches than a break for a whole entire month; come on. Streaming screams should and is a choice (you americans are big on freedom, I thought) and players are in no way responsible for the downfall of the scene. As Clay said it's not their responsability to build storyline (+ Jake is right, only already established hardcore fans watch scrims)
@@nathanr2841 my point wasn't about scrims more about how the pros are burying their own grave by not understanding market economies. They have 2 guns and only 2 guns, ban snipers, make the game so it has the lowest amount of dynamisms, and to their own detriment. And if their job was to win and only to win..if there were no spectators, where would you get funding from, and what would the economic benefit come from?
@@upcastline9848 No I understand that. And I agree with the veto part, it's on the players. Streaming scream is not on them though. And yes but it's true for all sports and e-sports alike that whitout vierwship, there will be no money. But it's not the players responsability. Take the MMA for example, of course it helps bringing money to have big characters such as Connor McGregor, but their job is to fight and if they are quiet on press conference, social media and don't feed the storyline, it's fine. Better if they do, yes, but not their responsability
@@nathanr2841 sports and esports are star driven because at the core, they are an entertainment industry, and the pros actively participating in making their profession less entertaining to the spectators is their fault. I think it's past the point where we can say, it's not their responsibility, they are in the entertainment industry and they actively make their niche less entertaining. The idea of pro video game players requires a deeper level of analysis then they get paid to win. Why do they get paid to win? Where is the economic utility? I don't care about your opinion on market economies, be a free trader or a stalinist but refusing to comprehend that what you are apart of is driven by economic utility is naive and childish beyond belief
It’s just scrims people are taking this too serious just my opinion. I want the teams to do watever they need to do to play their best at the actual tournament W video as always buddy
Both sides have valid points. Ppl are tweaking. I don’t want optic to stream scrims. It will hurt them in the long run and create unnecessary narratives. Only takes a couple of loses in a tie for reality to set in.
What're your thoughts on the whole situtation? 👀
Shotzzy is correct in his assessment. The league is essentially a bunch of grown ass kids. Owners need to start cracking down and remind their players that they are employees. Who need to be held to expectations, not what they want to do while collecting a check.
Owner and league should have mandatory streaming in contracts imo, whether that’s scrims or extra streams but scrims would be easier cause they’re playing em anyways
This take is assuming that each org would agree that their scrims should be streamed.
Shotzzy is equally as a crybaby on the matter, he just happens to be the most privileged pro in the league and has the fan base that will agree with him on whatever he says.
Shotzzy literally threw a fit like a child yesterday.
@NamelyssActual I'm not an Optic fan and can clearly see he works harder than the majority of the rest of the spoiled nerds that comprise the CDL. Which would include some of his own teammates. He's also correct in his assessment that the majority of these guys are living like they are still in high school instead of acting like like adults . He told no lies when he stated that if the players keep up their current behaviors, there will not be a league for them to make a damn nickel. Not too long from now. Just be a man and say you dislike Optic.and your bias is keeping you from making a statement based on logistics and not emotions. Shotzzy is spot on here. And it needed to be said.
@@arc7xangel897 I never said he hasn't worked his ass off to get where he is at, you can be the hardest working individual in the league and still be the most privileged. He's the most liked player on the most liked team, his opinion is followed without question by a lot of people, that's the definition of privilege in a situation like this.
I can make a statement looking at how someone approaches their opinion as a fact without being emotional about it, it's not that deep. Shotzzy is crying about not being able to stream something that the other side isn't agreeing on streaming. Why can't he "be a man" and respect their wishes without crashing out on stream about it?
We are fans of a league that makes fun of pros when they turn 25+ that they are old heads but you're expecting 20-22 year olds to be perfectly mature??
This is basically the straw that broke the camels back, us fans as a whole are tired of the "no's"..... no snipers, no smokes, no one tap to sprint, no scrims, no knife, No krig and LAT are taking the most heat because they're the most outspoken about why they said no
Facts. I want more going on, not less. But also one team not streaming scrims is still SIGNIFICANTLY better than all 12 not streaming like past years
@@JMaverikbut you didn’t say that or emphasize that point in your video? Like pick a side Jack which one is it? It’s not like I expected you to dog on LAT but let’s be clear LAT & Scrap are 100% part of the problem this year.
@@simeonspence1953 I literally said I think every scrim should be streamed??
Once 1 whiney team says no all the other teams see that and start saying no to scrims as well
@@JMaverikbut ALL 64 team used to stream scrims. Not streaming them is a newish phenomenon. So there is no historical precedent to NOT stream scrims.
The biggest call of duty show has a narrative that shotzzy wasnt a superstar last year. Lets just face it. Aome players get hate and just cant take it. People reacted like this because Scrap just lashes out and says shit everyone knows is bullshitm dude is a beast but he can dish it and cant take it 😂
We love the drama in this community 😂
Stop trying to twist narrative, Aches knows he’s a superstar it’s been a troll since VG 😂😂 some of yall are so weird
Who is twisting narratives aches? Who cares. The subject came up a hundred times last season. Which literally makes it the narrative genius. @@1jaedan
@@TheCivilStranger you getting baited by the superstar troll hahahahaha you are so dumb
Part of your point is correct. If you don’t want it streamed fine. But Scrap speaks with authority about things he doesn’t even think through. He disrespects people randomly sometimes. I would say he’s not that confident in his team that’s why he wants the element of surprise at the minor. Lastly I think shottzy knows more about what the pros are saying and thinking than you and I. So he’s probably not wrong on how these pros operate.
of course shotzzy knows more about pros than we do lol
I really think they didn’t want them to stream because they haven’t played the game in a while and they don’t wanna get criticized in their gameplay 😂
And you might be right! Whatever the reason is people shouldn’t be so annoyed by their decision 😂
I mean hydra has been in vacation for a long time ...look at la thieves content his never there either . This kids need to be reminded that this is a job now not now play park @@JMaverik
It’s quite obvious that LAT became the team to hate on this year. They are very clearly the most threatening team to the other top teams and the fan base knows that. So anything that they say and do that other teams or fans don’t agree with is going to be taken to the extreme. With band wagon fans coming to a team when they sign new players, you will get equal amounts of bandwagon haters.
It’s very simple, you aren’t allowed to stream scrims if both parties are not in agreement to have them streamed. Just because one team, ironically being the most loved team in the league, decides that scrims should be streamed doesn’t mean that it’s a fact.
With that logic then all of the NFL teams better start live streaming their practice for the entire league to watch and have free vod.
I think scrap has a lot to do with the hate lat has been getting, when they announced everyone was hyped but he quickly turned that around.
@@user-ir3ch4lc5q I can agree with that, I don't condone a lot of the stuff he says and how he reacts to certain situations. However I will still stand by the thought that LAT is getting some unwarranted hate.
“Not allowed” lol yea you are. You don’t have to get permission to stream your own POV.
@@andrewhucks9579 When I say not allowed, I mean a professional courtesy. Just as Shotzzy expects them to be okay with streaming, he should be okay with them not wanting him to. It’s their practice too.
3:10 its good for periods like these where no one actually wants to play because the game is filled with cheaters and theres nothing to watch because everyones been on break for well over 2 weeks
I def agree scrims are something more for us fans to watch during the week
Great points and i think you have a good level headed approach to this , my only issue with LAT not doing it , is that it might set a precident for others to also not agree too it . Let’s hope it doesn’t
Ant makes a good point about pro players who are wasting a lot of opportunity for themselves to make money. For most of the pros in the CDL your spot is not guaranteed and they should use the time they have to promote their brand and secure their future.
Thanks! Read my other comment
My man 🤝 thank you 🙏
The issue of not streaming scrims isn’t gonna help the game. the pros months ago complaining about how there’s too many online league matches, no one wants to see scrims, they wanna see more LAN events
THIS ^^
The pros don't care about the scene, if they cared about the scene they would test more maps over the years and they wouldn't GA weapons that people enjoy to watch AND they would force the league to change the third mode to something other than control, they care about money and that's all, although LAT should be confident enough to play on stream without thinking it will destroy their pool and strats
Both sides can be true: LAT should just play on stream, but also if they dont want to it’s not a big deal 😂
Stop being so entitled. You get to watch the other 11 teams scrim. Respect that LAT are trying to be as competitive as possible in a professional esports league. They don’t get paid to stream, they get paid to scrim.
@@Judsii im not entitled, i dont watch scrims anyway i couldnt care less
Both sides have valid points. Ppl are tweaking. I don’t want optic to stream scrims. It will hurt them in the long run and create unnecessary narratives. Only takes a couple of loses in a tie for reality to set in.
I understand your take Jake the problem is that scrappy has been going against the community since the start of the season (he’s been fighting with the hole community, is not only optic fans), so of course people are going to dunk on them. Besides, they’ve been the most vocal team by far, for better or for worse. Sorry for my bad English lol
Haha your English is fine! And yeah I understand what you’re saying
Some people would prefer to watch pros and their favorite teams play even if its just practice rather than most streamers that sit on 24/7 nuketown spawn camping randoms.
Optic said no streaming scrims last year and also in vanguard
Now that salary cuts have been announced they’re happy to stream and calling out others who won’t
I mean hypocrisy!!
If your opponents say yes there’s no harm to streaming, it’d be good for the scene but if they say no don’t call them down, it’s their prerogative to say NO
thats my point exactly, if a team doesnt want their scrims streamed than WHO CARES? Just go watch the other scrims that are streamed lol
There is a reason Clay isn’t doing the numbers he could be. Because he didn’t care about content. He’s going to have to get a real job soon. And Optic ALWAYS has the most pressure. What a faded take.
I’m sure Clay is very well off - he’s made over a million from winning + everything else salary wise over the last 7 years or so
The thing you don’t understand is if thieves say no to scrims alot more teams is going to say no because of thieves …
Precisely
i personally don’t get it, shotzzy wanted to be able to stream the scrims but scrap didn’t want their gameplan revealed. Okay cool so then shotzzy most not care about that and wants to stream it all for the fans? then why are comms off….same reason scrap doesn’t want to play on stream just to a different degree shotzzy doesn’t wanna reveal their comms just like scrap doesn’t wanna reveal the entire match to everyone in the league. I can genuinely say it’s incredibly boring to watch just audio scrims that’s just not for me and i know people that agree with that so either stream them and show it all or just don’t stream them because it literally is just for money if there’s no audio no face cam just can’t tell me that’s really what people think will grow the cdl.
You have forgotten about shotzy on empire he was shit talked on and still
Nobody watches scrims. The only time the scene grows is when a Tournament Final happens. Stop acting like content creators or scrims bring in new players/fans. Shotzzy just wants to always cause drama because the fanboys will back him up. 50% of all CDL fans are Optic Gaming supporters! Shotzzy is tweeting like he is 16 years old lol
Pro should do their due diligence not to let the CDL scene to die off..
Agreed, but unfortunately the league or ownership needs to step in and mandate it or some won’t
wait how isn’t streaming scrims gonna grow the scene ? That is the only way to watch any competitive cod right now for the most part?
Why would a new fan watch practice over real matches?
This is all pointless BS. I don't care if the big ego super team doesn't wanna stream scrims. I don't care if OpTic does. None of that matters nearly as much as Activision screwing over the whole Challengers scene as of Yesterday. There was already going to be no Challs LAN presence in Spain although that is somewhat understandable, and it's been questionable that Dallas 2 Electric Boogaloo will have any Challengers presence, but now the OpTic major 2 won't have it? What a fucking joke. NYSL had their major rescinded because the league wanted more for Challengers, but now that it's the CDL's Golden Child who suddenly can't support Challengers it's not a big deal and they'll just keep T2 online??
People just wanna be mad at the latest thing - they’re back to being mad at Activision since there’s no challengers LANs this year lol
NYSL had leauge subsidies and STILL didn’t have a challengers plan, OpTic don’t.
Crazy how fast people flip sides
what you mean?
I get ur point but I seem to sense some biased here, with the whole but if it was optic argument. If you have to come up with hypothetical scenarios I believe you don’t really have a actual point to stand on
when did I make a "but if it was optic argument?" - what is there to be biased on? I just said all this crying about ONE team not wanting to stream scrims is crazy lmao
Exactly, with his 100T flag flying lol.
Never thought that in 2025 thieves would be the villains of the league …
I did scrap endorse by a team like LAT just spelled drama.
Ok bro lets be real how is this competitive disadvantage? Really? We gonna act like these teams dont record the scrims any way to watch and study, as if they will be some super vod if streamed? Lol clay has a complete bias with this because he is a coach to a new team in the league that he can halfa/s communicate with and Scrap does all that yapping saying everyone is ass, that no one is close to him, in the same breath whinning about letting fans see just how non dominate they really are. Smdh at the end of the day its more cod to watch that you will never get from CDL.
clay's tweet is from years ago when he was playing, he's always been against streaming scrims. But overall I mostly agree with you, I want them to stream anyways lol
I don’t agree with saying optic has very little pressure to win
Less pressure than LAT. optic fans want their team to have a ton of pressure tho for some reason it seems 😂
I think youre underestimating howmuch continues content will build more fans. The more often you show a competitive match scrim or not the more likely a drive by will catch interest. Think about it thats how we all started. We saw or heard about it and it peaked our interest. If you stop producing content you lose the ability to continue to gain new followers and more momentum. At somepoint the pros have to take accountability for their roll in the lack of growth. Im not saying its all their fault but they definitely dont help their case. Content in king to esports. Period. Build a fucking brand. Scrap get heat because he loves to go aginst the fans. Fans want snipers he doesnt, fans want smokes he doesn, fan want scrims he doesnt.
Agreed, but there’s also much more to content than scrims. I’d argue other content is better than no audio scrims are for growing brand and the fan base
ovr some pl are just being weird over a team like if they don't want to play cuz on it being leaked its understand able
and ngl scrims is just another way at pointing out teams or players weather they had a dog shit perfomance like its just a scrim and nobody cares
at the end of the day it only matters on the day or weather they are playing in the cdl or challengers of ewc this year
go figure a post on the zoomafia community is the one that started this whole debate lol. but like I said on twitter two things can be correct. players should not be only reliant on a salary if they don't have to, making content even maybe streaming scrims. But also people do need to remember these guys are pro players first, they need to make sure they can win by any means. I get both sides, but also from a fan perspective, the maps suck, ranked is full of hackers, and GA's are out of control.
The job of pros isn't winning. The point of tournament is to draw market consumers of products. The pros job is to entertain people to drive market participation. If their decisions for competitiveness makes the game uninteresting then the money dries up and there is no more "pros" these pros and not to throw shade, you to some degree don't understand how a market economy work
Growing the scene requires putting out a good product. I disagree with your take because I’d much rather watch optic vs faze/thieves over any other team
That’s a fair take!
Scrap is just whining. If you think showing your scrims is gonna make or break you, then your team isn't that great to begin with.... really this only hurts the Theives fans who want to get more of their content, nothing else.
Exactly, yet it’s only optic fans complaining 😂
I swear some fans think there a player 😂 just watch it will never be that deep
How are you gonna grow if you’re not gonna bring in new players from Challengers in a broken game?
Well yeah you need challengers to grow or else there’s no new talent
Taking up for the biggest yapper and crap talker in the league..gee who knew... you know jake that nade is for the streaming but wont come out openly against his team. Because there is nothing in the stream that is different than in the vod they rewatch without the stream. What is there to gain or lose really id like to know other than yappers ego being checked after fans see he isnt always on top. Honestly i think its bc his ego cant handle it and his mouth is what sets the fans off. He is gotta be in top percent of crashout pros in history smdh
I say stream all the scrims, but if the team don’t want to what can I do 🤷♂️
Scrappy doos fall off from leaving Toronto is crazy
I need long neck to lock in for me
You are missing the point… LA are supposedly the #1 team…… if they are against the streams, these braindead “pros” will then say they don’t want to stream scrims…Also optic are the only org that keeps trying to grow the league when the CDL is in shambles…make all the excuses you want but the ego’s are ruining COD! You have no idea what you are talking about if u are saying ANY team has more pressure than optic ….
I think you’re missing the point. The point is me, you, Shotzzy, other cdl teams: no one should have a say in how LAT (or any team) should do their practice.
If they wanna play on stream, they can. If they wanna fly to the moon and play from there, they can. It’s not up to anyone but that camp what they do with their practice 😂
Why weren't optic streaming scrims in previous games?? They haven't streamed scrims in years so why they making a big deal about it now
@@JMaverik 100% lat should not be tweeting that optic are just doing it for money which is a complete lie … especially when COD is literally dying….
@@bigj0000 Simple….. THE STATE OF COD….
@@unknownslayer7128 oh I agree, bad tweet imo
I respect your take and like your content, but this is a very biased take. I don’t think you’re putting enough view on the other side of the take
@@findizzle there’s no bias, if ANY team wants their scrims to be private they have that right imo
@JMaverik I hear ya. No hate whatsoever, but lots of what you’re saying in this video can be misconstrued as being biased. I’m the same way with my sports teams so I get it lol (I’m unfortunately a Bears and White Sox die hard fan)
Facts !! As a competitor I understand LAT's point of view, in a strategic game, putting your improving process online is just free information for the opponent
But their job is an entertainment one. If people don't watch, there is no money. Their job isn't actually winning. The tournament format is to drive views to make money. These pros don't understand how markets work
@@upcastline9848 no, their job is to play the game and win championship, that's why they are getting paid. I understand your point but before this era there were no sponsorship and attention to e-sports, there were still lan, cash money and a whole scene. If it goes to a point where the scene crashes out (and we are far from it), it will get rebuild again. For me, the reason behind the COD viewership being down is twofold. First the game (ranked play) at a high level is full of cheaters so streamers don't play anymore and actually go out of their way to shit on the game (as they should, something needs to be done). Secondly the early schedule of the CDL is shit. We get two weeks of matches than a break for a whole entire month; come on. Streaming screams should and is a choice (you americans are big on freedom, I thought) and players are in no way responsible for the downfall of the scene. As Clay said it's not their responsability to build storyline (+ Jake is right, only already established hardcore fans watch scrims)
@@nathanr2841 my point wasn't about scrims more about how the pros are burying their own grave by not understanding market economies. They have 2 guns and only 2 guns, ban snipers, make the game so it has the lowest amount of dynamisms, and to their own detriment. And if their job was to win and only to win..if there were no spectators, where would you get funding from, and what would the economic benefit come from?
@@upcastline9848 No I understand that. And I agree with the veto part, it's on the players. Streaming scream is not on them though. And yes but it's true for all sports and e-sports alike that whitout vierwship, there will be no money. But it's not the players responsability. Take the MMA for example, of course it helps bringing money to have big characters such as Connor McGregor, but their job is to fight and if they are quiet on press conference, social media and don't feed the storyline, it's fine. Better if they do, yes, but not their responsability
@@nathanr2841 sports and esports are star driven because at the core, they are an entertainment industry, and the pros actively participating in making their profession less entertaining to the spectators is their fault. I think it's past the point where we can say, it's not their responsibility, they are in the entertainment industry and they actively make their niche less entertaining. The idea of pro video game players requires a deeper level of analysis then they get paid to win. Why do they get paid to win? Where is the economic utility? I don't care about your opinion on market economies, be a free trader or a stalinist but refusing to comprehend that what you are apart of is driven by economic utility is naive and childish beyond belief
It’s just scrims people are taking this too serious just my opinion. I want the teams to do watever they need to do to play their best at the actual tournament W video as always buddy
exactlyyyyy people are mad over something so small - and thank you!
L take but love you anyways
lmao its a bad take to want scrims streamed?
Both sides have valid points. Ppl are tweaking. I don’t want optic to stream scrims. It will hurt them in the long run and create unnecessary narratives. Only takes a couple of loses in a tie for reality to set in.