I was given a rowing boat as a gift in 1991 and to test it I rowed the Thames - source to Greenwich - solo. So I made the pilgimage across the meadows behind the Thames Head pub and took a selfie (film camera in those days) sitting beside the stone. I still have a replica of the Old Father Thames statue in my garden. As a yacht designer I then created a new type of long distance recreational sculling boat and over the next couple of years rowed the Douro, Guadiana, Mondego, Tagus, Gironde and the Loire. All source to tidal. Although I never went back to the Thames source (one can start rowing a little to the west of Lechlade where the Coln joins in) - I went on the row the Thames two more times. In '93 I 'won' the Great River Race solo at the age of 50 in another of my own designs. Still scull every day at the age of 80. Rivers are inspiring historical adventures. The oldest 'motorways'. Great video - takes me back - thanks.
@@willkerslake8820 Still having a great life thank you. Row most days in the bay of Lagos and the yacht is back in the water next month. 80. Keeo doing it until you can't do it is the motto - and moderation in everything.
Rob, this absolutely did not disappoint. It seems to me the most obvious answer to this age old question is the River Thames has not one single source but three. Your effort was very informative and highly appreciated. Thanks so much for the work you do.
About sixty years ago, Michael Bentine in his show 'It's a Square World', went in search of the source of the Thames and traced it to a dripping tap somewhere in the Cotswolds. He turned the tap off and the river completely dried up with views of the empty river by the Palace of Westminster and Tower Bridge.
Your presentation and research is wonderful. You hold my attention completely and I learn more from you than anyone. No waffling, interesting and informative, a massive Thank you.
I'm from the U.S. and have never been to England, but this was still very pleasant to watch. I have lived near the Mississippi R. most of my life, far enough north to have visited its headwaters a number of times, and there's something special about seeing a great river like this, in places where it is still clear and pristine and unsullied by overuse.
@@Robslondon The whole upper Mississippi in northern Minnesota is a beautiful river in a gorgeous, mostly wooded setting. Its source at Lake Itasca is part of a very old and lovely state park, with huge older growth pine trees, definitely worth a visit if one gets the chance. It's a shallow stream where it leaves the lake, and a line of small boulders is in place such that you can walk across it, just to say you did... but you can literally wade across it anywhere in its first few miles, without it being even up to your knees in depth. As it winds its way toward the Twin Cities, it enters and leaves several of the more than 11,000 natural lakes that Minnesota is famous for. There are few places in the world that can match northern Minnesota for its abundance of fresh water... there are several places up north where you literally have a hundred or more lakes within a twenty mile radius.
As a fellow North American, I whole heartedly concur. To straddle the Contental Divide and witness a place so divergent is awe inspiring if one can comprehend the vastness of Continents and their drainages into the far greater oceans. To be astride the headwaters of two oceans makes me want to pee in each as one man standing in one place. It is possible and must be done...if for nothing else but to say I pissed in the Missiippii and the Columbia in one go
@@Robslondon As a Minnesotan, I cannot recommend the headwaters enough. It's a great state park, and there's plenty of beautiful scenery there. Another similar place to visit here is the traverse gap, where nothing but a 2 meter dike separates water that flows into the Arctic ocean from that that flows into the Gulf of Mexico. Cheers from Minnesota!
@@intractablemaskvpmGy Yup, watersheds form rivers, and both surface runoff and groundwater flow contribute to the raging river. All of the tributaries are important sources for the river.
It is certainly vital that these sites are retained in their natural state and not built upon in any way. Lord knows who would occupy any accommodation, if these areas were to be developed. God forbid....this is the epitome of "England's green and pleasant land".
Your voice is so relaxing, and your videos are always so informative in a kind of whimsical way 😊 I've been looking into the source of the Thames myself due to my interest in the restoration of the Thames & Severn Canal, so this video is right up my street 😃 Thank you for another fantastic video 😁
20 plus years ago I walked, what I was led to believe at that time, the length of the Thames from Trewsbury Mead to the Thames Barrier. From what you have just said - I’ve got to do it again!!!! 😂
It strikes me that the Thames is a tributary of the Churn and they were a bit previous in naming Trewsbury as the source of the big river flowing through London..! Brilliant work, Rob! 🙃
According to some old mid-Victorian era photographs I have, the source of the Thames is Seven Springs. However given that 7 springs emerge at this spot, it follows that the source is further away... prossibly in Wales! And thanks for taking the time to show this to us all.
Yes, now that you mention it I remember that small stream flowing up the enscarpment from Wales crossing the Severn river in an old stone pipe ofcourse made by an old bearded man with a famous son.
Hi! Water level to start the flow of comedic comments. Fulsome praise sir. Now that I've got that off my chest, I'm hoping that you might answer a question of not some little importance to my sister and me. Is it perchance true that until recently the (manufactured in the Netherlands) HP sauce bottles rejoiced in a drawing of Big Ben (Tower ~ yes apologies, the Elizabeth Tower) swathed not in a swaddling cloth but a version of the blummin scaffolding?
@@JP_TaVeryMuch yes it underwent a complete refurbishment and the bells were silent apart from important occasions. On 21 August 2017, Big Ben's chimes fell silent for four years to allow essential restoration work to be carried out on the tower. The decision to silence the bells was made to protect the hearing of the workers on the tower, and drew much criticism from senior MPs and Prime Minister Theresa May.[101] The striking and tolling of the bells for important occasions, such as New Year's Eve and Remembrance Sunday, was handled via an electric motor; and at least one of the four clock faces always remained visible during the restoration. Scaffolding was put up around the tower immediately after the bells were silenced. The cost of the project to the taxpayers and creditors was originally estimated to be roughly £29 million, but it more than doubled, to £69 million.[102] In February 2020, the renovations revealed that the Elizabeth Tower had sustained greater damage than previously thought from the May 1941 bombing raid that destroyed the adjacent House of Commons. Other costly discoveries included asbestos in the belfry, the "extensive" use of lead paint, broken glass on the clock dials, and serious deterioration to the tower's intricate stone carvings due to air pollution. The cost of addressing these problems was estimated at £18.6 million, bringing the total budget for restoring the Elizabeth Tower to nearly £80 million.[103] The 2,567 cast-iron roof tiles were removed and refurbished, and a lift was installed to make access easier, along with a basic toilet facility with running water, for the first time in the tower itself. The Ayrton Light at the top of the tower, which is lit when Parliament is sitting, was also fully dismantled and restored along with the other lights in the Belfry, being replaced with low-energy LEDs.[104] One of the most visible changes to the tower has been the restoration of the clock-face framework to its original colour of Prussian blue, used when the tower was first built in 1859, with the black paint that was used to cover up the soot-stained dial frames having been stripped away. The clock faces were regilded, and the shields of St George repainted in their original red and white colours. The 1,296 pieces of glass that make up the clock faces have also been removed and replaced.[105][106] In December 2021, after four years of renovations and restoration, the tower emerged from behind its scaffolding in time for the ringing in of the new year.[107] In April 2022, the gantry supporting the scaffolding was removed.[108]
What a perfect video. You covered the potential sources of The Thames with humour, beauty and your usual level of well-researched information. I personally am sticking with the official one, otherwise I've got to take a trip back up to The Cotswolds and do some more walking along The Churn!!! Could you do further videos on highlights of the many historical events that have occurred along the Thames?
What a wonderful video. Watching this I felt like I was really there with the cool, clear water bubbling up - I wanted to dip my hand in the water. Delightful and informative.
Thankyou for this. I'm born and bred in London and I've always wondered where the source of the Thames was. I'd say all three sources combined are the source, not just Shrewsbury Mead. The 3 sources feed Shrewsbury Mead, so that makes them the true sources equally. How fascinating. If I was 50 years younger I'd visit them all. But I'm too old now, I'd never cope with all the walking. Lol. So thankyou for bringing this lovely story to me. Xx
Fascinating! As I found about with the the River Eden and the several streams and springs claiming to be the source, I think like those for the Thames, they all count. A lot of lovely countryside captured by great photography. Thanks again, Rob, Rob
Very interesting, well presented content and beautifully narrated with your expressive, calming voice and delightful background music. Excellent video - thank you.
👋🏻from Denver Colorado! What a great video! Came upon your channel, and I so enjoyed your narration and all the lovely spots you visited, that I subscribed. Love the history of your wonderful country, and I visit often, to explore new spots, but never thought of the actual source of the mighty River Thames. Fantastic information and filming. If I’m brave enough to drive on the left side this year, I’ll try to visit those spots. Thank you for sharing this lovely video.
Such a lovely comment, thank you! It’s good to have you here. I drove in the USA last year, and although it’s a bit odd on the other side on road you’re used to, it doesn’t take too long to adapt- You’ll be fine driving in the UK; go for it! 😉🇺🇸
Youve done some fantastic research in this beautiful and lovely film Rob. About two thirds through i got the sort of surprise that jolts you upright,ill explain later in this comment. First I suspect King Lud is really Lugh,a Celtic God. I saw that water source,Seven Springs in a tv show several years ago and i was convinced then and am,that it is the true source. Its much more mystical for a start. No way can the mighty Thames start in a muddy puddle. I used to live (47years) in the area where the Rev Dymmock was the vicar in the 1930s and through the Second World War. This area is called Hillfields and its a district within the bigger area of Fishponds in East Brustol. In the late 1980s I did a whole lot of local history research into Hillfields. Its the sort of "ordinary" place that has no history,except of course it does. Just not the ruined castles and public excutions sort. Im so interested to learn this about the Rev Dymmock. It fits with other things and as i dont want to get a TH-cam ban im not going to say any more.
@@Robslondon Never!!! Small world. D'you remember Lodge Causeway,Cossham Hospital Clocktower or were you down near Eastville Park End. And Morrisons wouldve been Safeways then.
I live near Cheltenham and have often visited all of these locations plus the Devil's Chimney many times. I think that, although Seven Springs has its die hard advocates for most Trewsbury Mead is the recognised source of the Thames. In recent years( save for 2024) the lack of rainfall has meant that it was nigh on impossible to find any water at Ullenwood.
Wonderful video! Given that the Thames never dries up, it logically follows that it must have a source which never dries up either. That rules out Trewsbury Mead because that does dry up in the summer (but the Thames still flows). Therefore, the true source is likely to be one or both of the others. Seven Springs seems most likely.
@@Robslondon Why is the Thames river called the river Thames. The Mississippi river is not called the river Mississippi, the Amazon river is not called the river Amazon, the Colombia river is not called the river Colombia, the Yangtze river is not called the river Yangtze. 😎
@@Robslondon Thanks, so then no one knows. OK And also why is the name not pronounced Thaymz. I seem to hear it pronounced Tems. It seems it should be spelled Tems. Perspiring minds want to know. Where are all the blokes and Limeys , that would know. LOL Cheers, mates . 🤣🤣🤣
Lovely video, Rob! I think all the sources should be counted as such, for such an immense river, and it's nice to see the actual springs from so much rain.
Dear Rob , Thank you so very much for making this wonderful episode ! It was informative and entertaining as well as a perfect way to start my morning. I am happy to say I try hard to never miss them. Cheers From California 😎
Thanks so much Nilo! It’s quite something to imagine someone watching my videos on a sunny Californian morning! 😄🇺🇸 Thanks again my friend and stay well.
I visited from Canada several years ago and had the opportunity to swim in the Thames up near Streatley, just upstream from Reading. Seeing this was lovely and made me miss that warm beautiful day.
Thank you so much for this delightful and thoughtful video! It's so wholesome to spend time considering such and important subject as the ultimate source of such a mighty and historic river... All the locations are lovely!
Who would have thought that such a huge and important river could have such a contested source? Personally, I am inclined to think all have equal right to the title. Sitting on the fence isn't really cutting it I know but there you go! Fascinating as usual Rob, thank you.
Two, last weeks, on one Sunday but this was a most relaxing one. I feel the thames starts further west but each location is a good contender and each beautiful to see. Glad I watched this second to lighten the spirit. Thank you for exploring and recording your discoveries ❤️❤️❤️
Lovely!Thank you from the U.S. I especially enjoy all of the border fences and gates which enable folks to walk 🚶♀️ around your country. This video of superb!
What a wonderful adventure, Rob! There truly are some idyllic locations across England. As a former mapmaker, I would select Seven Springs as the source, because of its perennial water flow. A seasonal spring does not a river make; and the two other contenders would be mapped as dashed 'intermittent' flows, at best. Imagine the public outrage when the new maps showed the Thames as an intermittent water course! Another argument could be made that the highest point around the edge of the Thames's drainage watershed, as water only flows downhill due to gravity; any rain that falls on that summit is likely to ultimately reach the sea via the Thames. So, Seven Springs gets my vote! Cheers, Rob, and thanks again!
Your logic is spot on! You cannot have a river source that is dry for some of the year - as there would be no river for some of the year!! I know it's not quite that simple, but makes sense to me.
I'm so glad I found your channel, it's a well flowing fountain of peace and knowledge, in the turbulent storms that is my life. Thank you so much for taking us along. I really appreciate and mean this. Cheers from across the pond in the States.
@@Robslondon I think it interesting how, well we have states, whereas the rest of the world went into individual countries. It's unique and I tell ya Brother, I want to see it all, London, and Ireland, I'm half Irish 3rd Gen, are on my bucket list to see a long with France and Switzerland, and Italy and lol all and I would like to see my own whole country, lived in the US and haven't seen it all yet in 45 years, but that should give you an idea of how big the place is lol. I've been to and seen about 9 states. Well, I hope this will knock you up in the morning with cheers and be safe and and be well my friend and family. 👍
@@dadtype2339 Great comment. Made my morning 😉 I’m lucky enough to have visited the States several times, seen New York, New Orleans, Las Vegas, Syracuse, Memphis, Nashville and San Francisco. For me though the natural beauty there is beyond compare; the forests of Vermont and the Grand Canyon are breathtaking. Would still love to see more.
Great video. I drive past Ullenwood and Seven Springs several times a year. I had no idea about this. Thanks for enlightening me. I will stop and take a look next time.
Seeing these deep, swirling waters against a cloudy, lush background reminds me to a surprising degree of the rivers and creeks here in Upstate New York in the spring. I like to imagine all the people who have used a particular waterway to fish, camp, or navigate the landscape over thousands of years.
Tremendously enjoyable, so many, many thanks! Background music just right! Very soothing together, with the delightful film shots! You are on my Subscribed list now!
Good evening Rob, I have just got to see this video and found it fascinating. As usual your research and presentation is top notch. I had never really thought about the source of the Thames before watching this so thanks for such an informative video as always. Keep up the good work and I look forward to your next London subject. I’m going to make time to look through my Times Atlas of London from the inspiration you provide. All the best.
Visited London this past May and while I was touring Tower Bridge, this video came to mind. Watching this again after visiting brings a newfound appreciation for your work on this video and the river 🙂
As a Proud Londoner it’s something I’ve occasionally pondered on. As always Rob a lovely beautifully shot and interesting video. Every you tuber should watch your videos to learn how to do it properly. Well done and thank you again. Best wishes, Mick
Lovely video! I especially appreciate all the beautiful nature shots, including the the ones of flowers. It really elevates the video to include the flowers even when you're talking about water! :)
Beautifully filmed, extremely well presented, and well researched, another superb documentary, thanks Rob. Could I humbly suggest as a subject for a future documentary, London's Chinatown.
This is a very well done documentary on the Thames. I hope to visit England one day and visit a few of the locations in your past videos. Cheers from Alaska, USA !
Spot on again Rob. We have made the Thames the focus whenever we've been in the UK. The source nearest Cirencester was to be this year's focus so it's terrific to see your film.❤❤
Looks clean. Such an amazing historic river and now it's even more fascinating for me thanks to how you reminded me that huge rivers have tiny, humble begins somewhere upstream. I learned about the Thames when I played Tomb Raider 3 as a kid last 1999.
What a pleasant and relaxing video to be with your voice, writing, topic combined with the music and scenery. It kinda pulls you out of the quagmire of modern internet fighting and pointless drama. Thank you kindly & made sure to subscribe
That means an incredible amount to me; thank you much. It's kind comments like yours which keep me going! Thanks again- it's great to have you here :-)
Running your hands in the clear water at the sauce of the Thames is far safer ,than the lower part in London,where you could pickup something very unpleasant!! Great Video 👍
I really appreciate that, thank you. I have so many lovely comments and good people watching my videos, it's impossible not to be nice! Thanks again and stay well :-)
Thank you so much for this meticulously researched and produced work !! Your commentary and photography are perfect. Now I need to go and re-read The Tide River by Charles Kingsley because it will fit so well👍
As a born Londoner and later long-time resident of Gloucestershire I always hold the Thames in special affection. Both my parents' families settled in London, which as you point out would not be there without the river. I went in search of the source of the Thames (Trewsbury Mead) not long after retirement with a friend. Unthinkingly we went in July - and there was water to be seen for 2 or 3 miles along the course! We had lunch in the Thames Head Inn and were advised to return in winter - which we did, and the mead was then pretty full! Object achieved! Many thanks for some wonderul memories.
@@christopherbritton293 It is actually better to correct the original text than it is to add a comment about it afterwards. Your meaning would be so much clearer that way. A writer can't know what the readers' experience is, because the writer already knows what they mean. I don't say this intending to criticise, but just to be helpful. ✌🏼
I visited Trewsbury Mead in January 2008..it had a lot more water at the source than your video showed.i walked a few hundred metres down river from there, so I can say I have walked on the Thames!, Its the true source to me...( and the beer in the Thames Head Inn wasn't bad either!)
Just down the road from my house. It isn't Trewsbury Mead. You'll be lucky to find any water there without a lot of heavy rain. Seven Springs is actually a small depression in the hillside with seven small springs that feed into a pool before flowing under the road. It's a lot more convincing. Never knew Ullenwood springs were a contender.
I find it interesting that the water for the ornamental river at Hampton Court comes from the River Colne that is a few hundred yards from my house in Watford. It is diverted off of the Colne near Heathrow and then through Feltham. So the water can take two different routes to find its way into the Thames.
Very informative video Rob..I would not presume to comment on the source as you have many expert opinions in the comments thread. Suffice to say thanks for your time and physical effort in bringing this video to us. As always, your clear analysis and attention to detail are much appreciated. 👌
I’m in Sydney, Australia. Loved the video as I have tried to trace the source of the Thames River on Google Maps but could not work it out. I was very surprised at the length of the river. My interest began with Inspector Morse and the various locations mentioned in the books and the TV series, which I enjoyed so much. I would love to see floating flowers in different colours released at the various potential sources to see which ones end up at the confluence that becomes the identifiable Thames. Even so, the fact that the various springs pop up from unidentified pools underground may mean the real source is yet to be found.
What a beautiful, enchanting and absorbing documentary. First class as always Rob.
Thank you!
I was given a rowing boat as a gift in 1991 and to test it I rowed the Thames - source to Greenwich - solo. So I made the pilgimage across the meadows behind the Thames Head pub and took a selfie (film camera in those days) sitting beside the stone. I still have a replica of the Old Father Thames statue in my garden. As a yacht designer I then created a new type of long distance recreational sculling boat and over the next couple of years rowed the Douro, Guadiana, Mondego, Tagus, Gironde and the Loire. All source to tidal. Although I never went back to the Thames source (one can start rowing a little to the west of Lechlade where the Coln joins in) - I went on the row the Thames two more times. In '93 I 'won' the Great River Race solo at the age of 50 in another of my own designs. Still scull every day at the age of 80. Rivers are inspiring historical adventures. The oldest 'motorways'. Great video - takes me back - thanks.
Wow! What an adventure!
Wonderful. I wondered where the earliest boat-navigable bit was.
Wow, sounds as though you've had a great life, good on you.👍
@@willkerslake8820 Still having a great life thank you. Row most days in the bay of Lagos and the yacht is back in the water next month. 80. Keeo doing it until you can't do it is the motto - and moderation in everything.
Dang an adventure of that kind is what i always wanted to experience, my our rivers here are full of garbage ;-;
Rob, this absolutely did not disappoint. It seems to me the most obvious answer to this age old question is the River Thames has not one single source but three. Your effort was very informative and highly appreciated. Thanks so much for the work you do.
Lovely comment Jonathan, thank you!
I am in agreement. This is a similar situation to the Amazon and Nile rivers.
And many others, if not most or all rivers!
The general area drainage basin can be considered the source since even the sources are fed by them.
The source is the one furthest away
About sixty years ago, Michael Bentine in his show 'It's a Square World', went in search of the source of the Thames and traced it to a dripping tap somewhere in the Cotswolds. He turned the tap off and the river completely dried up with views of the empty river by the Palace of Westminster and Tower Bridge.
Ha ha! Yes, I’ve heard about this sketch, not sure if a clip is available though?
A mudlarker's dream...
Quite cheeky
Yes I also do remember watching it's a square world but I must have been quite young, can't remember details; great programme though
😂😂😂😂
Your presentation and research is wonderful. You hold my attention completely and I learn more from you than anyone. No waffling, interesting and informative, a massive Thank you.
I truly appreciate that Carol, thank you so much.
Rob’s London on tour.
Great video again. Look forward to more as always. 👍🏻
Thanks so much Damian 😉
Lovely footage, gorgeous water sounds, pleasant piano music, informative words. Thank you!
Thank you! :-)
From its humble beginnings as a tiny trickle to its majestic flow through London. Wonderfully relaxing and informative video.
Thank you Rachel ☺️
Majestic meaning polluted and full of bodies.
@@SpicyTexan64 Full of bodies ? Did you put them there ?
@@Rachel-bo3qg Blackfriars Bridge.
I'm from the U.S. and have never been to England, but this was still very pleasant to watch. I have lived near the Mississippi R. most of my life, far enough north to have visited its headwaters a number of times, and there's something special about seeing a great river like this, in places where it is still clear and pristine and unsullied by overuse.
Lovely comment, thank you. I'm lucky enough to have seen the Mississippi... .to see its headwaters would be incredible, such a mighty river.
@@Robslondon The whole upper Mississippi in northern Minnesota is a beautiful river in a gorgeous, mostly wooded setting. Its source at Lake Itasca is part of a very old and lovely state park, with huge older growth pine trees, definitely worth a visit if one gets the chance. It's a shallow stream where it leaves the lake, and a line of small boulders is in place such that you can walk across it, just to say you did... but you can literally wade across it anywhere in its first few miles, without it being even up to your knees in depth.
As it winds its way toward the Twin Cities, it enters and leaves several of the more than 11,000 natural lakes that Minnesota is famous for. There are few places in the world that can match northern Minnesota for its abundance of fresh water... there are several places up north where you literally have a hundred or more lakes within a twenty mile radius.
@@NondescriptMammal Wow! Lovely :-) America is blessed with some incredible natural beauty.
As a fellow North American, I whole heartedly concur. To straddle the Contental Divide and witness a place so divergent is awe inspiring if one can comprehend the vastness of Continents and their drainages into the far greater oceans.
To be astride the headwaters of two oceans makes me want to pee in each as one man standing in one place. It is possible and must be done...if for nothing else but to say I pissed in the Missiippii and the Columbia in one go
@@Robslondon As a Minnesotan, I cannot recommend the headwaters enough. It's a great state park, and there's plenty of beautiful scenery there. Another similar place to visit here is the traverse gap, where nothing but a 2 meter dike separates water that flows into the Arctic ocean from that that flows into the Gulf of Mexico. Cheers from Minnesota!
Hi Rob, Hope you are well, Thank you for another fantastic video, Great subject, Thank you
That’s so kind of you Dave, thank you! Much appreciated. I’m good thanks, hope you are too. Thanks again 😉
All three locations are beautiful and every effort should be made to keep them that way for future generations...
Well said.
I think we have our answer here: all three of them
@@intractablemaskvpmGy Yup, watersheds form rivers, and both surface runoff and groundwater flow contribute to the raging river. All of the tributaries are important sources for the river.
With the hoards of migrants moving to the U.K. might need to place housing tenements there?
It is certainly vital that these sites are retained in their natural state and not built upon in any way. Lord knows who would occupy any accommodation, if these areas were to be developed. God forbid....this is the epitome of "England's green and pleasant land".
Your voice is so relaxing, and your videos are always so informative in a kind of whimsical way 😊 I've been looking into the source of the Thames myself due to my interest in the restoration of the Thames & Severn Canal, so this video is right up my street 😃 Thank you for another fantastic video 😁
Ah, thanks so much Alex! The old canal is worthy of a video in its own right 😉
20 plus years ago I walked, what I was led to believe at that time, the length of the Thames from Trewsbury Mead to the Thames Barrier. From what you have just said - I’ve got to do it again!!!! 😂
Ha ha! Better get your boots on Mike 🤣 Nice comment, cheers 😉
It strikes me that the Thames is a tributary of the Churn and they were a bit previous in naming Trewsbury as the source of the big river flowing through London..!
Brilliant work, Rob! 🙃
Ah! Interesting perspective Bryan 😂 Cheers mate
As an international student here in England, it’s a great pleasure to learn about the history of this remarkable country. Thank you!
Such a lovely comment, thank you! And it’s nice to have you here.
According to some old mid-Victorian era photographs I have, the source of the Thames is Seven Springs. However given that 7 springs emerge at this spot, it follows that the source is further away... prossibly in Wales! And thanks for taking the time to show this to us all.
Wales! Now that’s worth another trip to inspect! 😄
@@Robslondon Now I'll be waiting for the notification to pop on my mobile informing me of that video whenever you upload it...but do upload it. 🙂
Yes, now that you mention it I remember that small stream flowing up the enscarpment from Wales crossing the Severn river in an old stone pipe ofcourse made by an old bearded man with a famous son.
HP is the sauce of the Thames.
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Boom boom.. thank you, I’m here all week!
Hi! Water level to start the flow of comedic comments. Fulsome praise sir.
Now that I've got that off my chest, I'm hoping that you might answer a question of not some little importance to my sister and me.
Is it perchance true that until recently the (manufactured in the Netherlands) HP sauce bottles rejoiced in a drawing of Big Ben (Tower ~ yes apologies, the Elizabeth Tower) swathed not in a swaddling cloth but a version of the blummin scaffolding?
@@JP_TaVeryMuch yes it underwent a complete refurbishment and the bells were silent apart from important occasions.
On 21 August 2017, Big Ben's chimes fell silent for four years to allow essential restoration work to be carried out on the tower. The decision to silence the bells was made to protect the hearing of the workers on the tower, and drew much criticism from senior MPs and Prime Minister Theresa May.[101] The striking and tolling of the bells for important occasions, such as New Year's Eve and Remembrance Sunday, was handled via an electric motor; and at least one of the four clock faces always remained visible during the restoration. Scaffolding was put up around the tower immediately after the bells were silenced. The cost of the project to the taxpayers and creditors was originally estimated to be roughly £29 million, but it more than doubled, to £69 million.[102]
In February 2020, the renovations revealed that the Elizabeth Tower had sustained greater damage than previously thought from the May 1941 bombing raid that destroyed the adjacent House of Commons. Other costly discoveries included asbestos in the belfry, the "extensive" use of lead paint, broken glass on the clock dials, and serious deterioration to the tower's intricate stone carvings due to air pollution. The cost of addressing these problems was estimated at £18.6 million, bringing the total budget for restoring the Elizabeth Tower to nearly £80 million.[103]
The 2,567 cast-iron roof tiles were removed and refurbished, and a lift was installed to make access easier, along with a basic toilet facility with running water, for the first time in the tower itself. The Ayrton Light at the top of the tower, which is lit when Parliament is sitting, was also fully dismantled and restored along with the other lights in the Belfry, being replaced with low-energy LEDs.[104] One of the most visible changes to the tower has been the restoration of the clock-face framework to its original colour of Prussian blue, used when the tower was first built in 1859, with the black paint that was used to cover up the soot-stained dial frames having been stripped away. The clock faces were regilded, and the shields of St George repainted in their original red and white colours. The 1,296 pieces of glass that make up the clock faces have also been removed and replaced.[105][106]
In December 2021, after four years of renovations and restoration, the tower emerged from behind its scaffolding in time for the ringing in of the new year.[107] In April 2022, the gantry supporting the scaffolding was removed.[108]
@@spitfire1962 No, on special edition bottles!
What a perfect video. You covered the potential sources of The Thames with humour, beauty and your usual level of well-researched information. I personally am sticking with the official one, otherwise I've got to take a trip back up to The Cotswolds and do some more walking along The Churn!!! Could you do further videos on highlights of the many historical events that have occurred along the Thames?
Thank you for such a lovely comment Matthew, much appreciated. I’ll certainly have a think about another Thames specific video 😉
What a wonderful video. Watching this I felt like I was really there with the cool, clear water bubbling up - I wanted to dip my hand in the water. Delightful and informative.
Thank you so much Veronica :-) It really is quite an experience.
Thanks for sharing. I lived in England for a year when I was 20 years old.....now I'm 55 and I still miss it...❤
Lovely comment, thank you.
Great and interesting sharing. I love it as always. Keep up the good work. Thank you Robert. 👍👍👍😍😍😍
Cheers Sharon! 😉
Thankyou for this. I'm born and bred in London and I've always wondered where the source of the Thames was. I'd say all three sources combined are the source, not just Shrewsbury Mead. The 3 sources feed Shrewsbury Mead, so that makes them the true sources equally. How fascinating. If I was 50 years younger I'd visit them all. But I'm too old now, I'd never cope with all the walking. Lol. So thankyou for bringing this lovely story to me. Xx
Thank you for such a lovely comment Marian! Hope you felt close to the source when watching the video. Thanks again and stay well.
Fascinating! As I found about with the the River Eden and the several streams and springs claiming to be the source, I think like those for the Thames, they all count. A lot of lovely countryside captured by great photography. Thanks again, Rob,
Rob
Thanks so much Rob! And yes, I’m happy to go with more than one source 😉
I enjoy watching your content.
That is so kind of you Ryan. Many thanks indeed my friend, much appreciated. Have a good week and thanks again! :-D
Very interesting, well presented content and beautifully narrated with your expressive, calming voice and delightful background music. Excellent video - thank you.
That means a great deal to me; thank you so much. Really appreciate the kind words.
@@Robslondon My pleasure. Best wishes for the further growth and success of your channel. I have, of course, subscribed :)
@@gdok6088 Thanks so much- good to have you here ;-)
👋🏻from Denver Colorado! What a great video! Came upon your channel, and I so enjoyed your narration and all the lovely spots you visited, that I subscribed. Love the history of your wonderful country, and I visit often, to explore new spots, but never thought of the actual source of the mighty River Thames. Fantastic information and filming. If I’m brave enough to drive on the left side this year, I’ll try to visit those spots. Thank you for sharing this lovely video.
Such a lovely comment, thank you! It’s good to have you here.
I drove in the USA last year, and although it’s a bit odd on the other side on road you’re used to, it doesn’t take too long to adapt- You’ll be fine driving in the UK; go for it! 😉🇺🇸
Youve done some fantastic research in this beautiful and lovely film Rob. About two thirds through i got the sort of surprise that jolts you upright,ill explain later in this comment. First I suspect King Lud is really Lugh,a Celtic God. I saw that water source,Seven Springs in a tv show several years ago and i was convinced then and am,that it is the true source. Its much more mystical for a start. No way can the mighty Thames start in a muddy puddle. I used to live (47years) in the area where the Rev Dymmock was the vicar in the 1930s and through the Second World War. This area is called Hillfields and its a district within the bigger area of Fishponds in East Brustol. In the late 1980s I did a whole lot of local history research into Hillfields. Its the sort of "ordinary" place that has no history,except of course it does. Just not the ruined castles and public excutions sort. Im so interested to learn this about the Rev Dymmock. It fits with other things and as i dont want to get a TH-cam ban im not going to say any more.
Thanks Jane, very interesting comment! Believe it or not, I lived in Fishponds for a short time about 23 years ago 😉
@@Robslondon Never!!!
Small world. D'you remember Lodge Causeway,Cossham Hospital Clocktower or were you down near Eastville Park End. And Morrisons wouldve been Safeways then.
55 years ago I went to the alledged source in the Cotswolds. It was a tiny trickle but I have never forgotten this.
Beautiful, cold, crystal-clear springs! another wonderful video - many thanks for all you do to educate us!
It's a pleasure as always William, thank you for watching!
I live near Cheltenham and have often visited all of these locations plus the Devil's Chimney many times. I think that, although Seven Springs has its die hard advocates for most Trewsbury Mead is the recognised source of the Thames. In recent years( save for 2024) the lack of rainfall has meant that it was nigh on impossible to find any water at Ullenwood.
Thanks so much Nick. Glad you said that about Ullenwood; I thought I was missing the spot!
your videos are always so relaxing, and here we have the added burbling of fresh water ☺
Thank you Sarahlouise! The Thames did a good job ;-) Filming it was a pleasure.
Another excellent Sunday evening video.
Much appreciated Paul, thank you
Mate you need to run private tours for this section of the “Thames”. You are great at this sort of thing and I’d definitely be into it!!
Ah, thanks! I'd like to, but not sure if the distance would be practical...
For sure it needs to be worth you time but I’m gonna keep checking in just in case😉
Wonderful video!
Given that the Thames never dries up, it logically follows that it must have a source which never dries up either.
That rules out Trewsbury Mead because that does dry up in the summer (but the Thames still flows).
Therefore, the true source is likely to be one or both of the others.
Seven Springs seems most likely.
Good point and thank you :-)
During the very dry Summer of 1976 it was reported that the Thames had actually stopped flowing on one occasion.
@@Robslondon Why is the Thames river called the river Thames. The Mississippi river is not called the river Mississippi, the Amazon river is not called the river Amazon, the Colombia river is not called the river Colombia, the Yangtze river is not called the river Yangtze. 😎
@@tracykingston9668 Good question!
@@Robslondon Thanks, so then no one knows. OK And also why is the name not pronounced
Thaymz. I seem to hear it pronounced Tems. It seems it should be spelled Tems. Perspiring minds want to know. Where are all the blokes and Limeys , that would know. LOL Cheers, mates . 🤣🤣🤣
Lovely video, Rob! I think all the sources should be counted as such, for such an immense river, and it's nice to see the actual springs from so much rain.
Couldn’t agree more Nellie! Lovely comment, thank you ☺️
You music and it's volume are perfect! Why can't others learn about subtlety? It was so lovely! ❤
That means a lot to me catty, thank you.
Agree, the gentle piano was absolutely perfect with this
Dear Rob ,
Thank you so very much for making this wonderful episode ! It was informative and entertaining as well as a perfect way to start my morning. I am happy to say I try hard to never miss them.
Cheers From California 😎
Thanks so much Nilo! It’s quite something to imagine someone watching my videos on a sunny Californian morning! 😄🇺🇸 Thanks again my friend and stay well.
Thanks Rob, watching from Perth Australia, with fond memories from when we lived in London 20 years ago.
I really appreciate that Galen, thank you so much my friend. Hope you’re having a good weekend 😊🇦🇺
I visited from Canada several years ago and had the opportunity to swim in the Thames up near Streatley, just upstream from Reading. Seeing this was lovely and made me miss that warm beautiful day.
Oh wow! Lovely comment Colin, thanks for watching and hope you make it back here soon.
Thank you so much for this delightful and thoughtful video! It's so wholesome to spend time considering such and important subject as the ultimate source of such a mighty and historic river... All the locations are lovely!
Such a lovely comment; thank you so much. I really appreciate your kind words. Stay well and thanks again :-)
Who would have thought that such a huge and important river could have such a contested source? Personally, I am inclined to think all have equal right to the title. Sitting on the fence isn't really cutting it I know but there you go! Fascinating as usual Rob, thank you.
Thanks so much Anne…. You and I are both very much of the same mindset! 😉
It looks so drinkable!!! And makes an expat, (22 years), SO homesick. Thanks for the video.
Ah, thanks Ian 😉
The one part of it I'm tempted to drink from.
I was thinking the same thing - I'd love a little sip!
immigrant*
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Difficult, very difficult , but apart from that, lovely spots to be. Thank you for the nice video.
Much appreciated; thank you for watching.
I think having water all year round should be a must for a "real" source of the Thames.
I love the level of detail and research you've put into this.
Thank you so much Nigel 😄
Father Thames is magnificent. Thank you for all of this information. You are so professional.
Thank you so much for your kind words 🙂
What a wonderful video. Informative, concise and capturing the magic of the area.
Thank you so much Andy, lovely comment.
Two, last weeks, on one Sunday but this was a most relaxing one. I feel the thames starts further west but each location is a good contender and each beautiful to see.
Glad I watched this second to lighten the spirit. Thank you for exploring and recording your discoveries ❤️❤️❤️
Thank you for such a lovely comment Tracy 😊
Lovely!Thank you from the U.S. I especially enjoy all of the border fences and gates which enable folks to walk 🚶♀️ around your country. This video of superb!
I really appreciate that, thank you :-)
What a wonderful adventure, Rob! There truly are some idyllic locations across England. As a former mapmaker, I would select Seven Springs as the source, because of its perennial water flow. A seasonal spring does not a river make; and the two other contenders would be mapped as dashed 'intermittent' flows, at best. Imagine the public outrage when the new maps showed the Thames as an intermittent water course! Another argument could be made that the highest point around the edge of the Thames's drainage watershed, as water only flows downhill due to gravity; any rain that falls on that summit is likely to ultimately reach the sea via the Thames. So, Seven Springs gets my vote! Cheers, Rob, and thanks again!
Thanks, great comment- and you make an excellent and well informed argument!
Your logic is spot on! You cannot have a river source that is dry for some of the year - as there would be no river for some of the year!! I know it's not quite that simple, but makes sense to me.
Everything about the history of London continues to fascinate. Thank you.
Thank you Lois!
I'm so glad I found your channel, it's a well flowing fountain of peace and knowledge, in the turbulent storms that is my life.
Thank you so much for taking us along.
I really appreciate and mean this.
Cheers from across the pond in the States.
Thanks again my friend. My Grandpa was American, so it's always good to have friends from the States here. Stay well.
@@Robslondon I think it interesting how, well we have states, whereas the rest of the world went into individual countries. It's unique and I tell ya Brother, I want to see it all, London, and Ireland, I'm half Irish 3rd Gen, are on my bucket list to see a long with France and Switzerland, and Italy and lol all and I would like to see my own whole country, lived in the US and haven't seen it all yet in 45 years, but that should give you an idea of how big the place is lol.
I've been to and seen about 9 states.
Well, I hope this will knock you up in the morning with cheers and be safe and and be well my friend and family. 👍
@@dadtype2339 Great comment. Made my morning 😉
I’m lucky enough to have visited the States several times, seen New York, New Orleans, Las Vegas, Syracuse, Memphis, Nashville and San Francisco.
For me though the natural beauty there is beyond compare; the forests of Vermont and the Grand Canyon are breathtaking. Would still love to see more.
Thanks!
Jonathan, that is so kind of you! Many thanks indeed; much appreciated.
Great video. I drive past Ullenwood and Seven Springs several times a year. I had no idea about this. Thanks for enlightening me. I will stop and take a look next time.
It's a pleasure Alex! Enjoy your visit ;-) Seven Springs in particular is lovely.
Seeing these deep, swirling waters against a cloudy, lush background reminds me to a surprising degree of the rivers and creeks here in Upstate New York in the spring. I like to imagine all the people who have used a particular waterway to fish, camp, or navigate the landscape over thousands of years.
I know what you mean- I was in Upstate New York last October; beautiful, beautiful place 😄
Superb video - well researched, well paced, informative, great videography, and very relaxing. Thank you!
I really do appreciate your kind words Spike, thank you! Stay well my friend.
Tremendously enjoyable, so many, many thanks! Background music just right! Very soothing together, with the delightful film shots! You are on my Subscribed list now!
That means a lot to me Bryan, thank you so much! Wonderful to have you here my friend. Thanks again and stay well.
Good evening Rob,
I have just got to see this video and found it fascinating. As usual your research and presentation is top notch. I had never really thought about the source of the Thames before watching this so thanks for such an informative video as always. Keep up the good work and I look forward to your next London subject. I’m going to make time to look through my Times Atlas of London from the inspiration you provide.
All the best.
Thank you for such a lovely comment ☺️
Great video Rob. more please of the springs,rivers and streams!
Thank you Russell! Watch this space mate 😉
Visited London this past May and while I was touring Tower Bridge, this video came to mind. Watching this again after visiting brings a newfound appreciation for your work on this video and the river 🙂
Such a lovely comment, thank you! Much appreciated.
As a Proud Londoner it’s something I’ve occasionally pondered on. As always Rob a lovely beautifully shot and interesting video. Every you tuber should watch your videos to learn how to do it properly. Well done and thank you again. Best wishes, Mick
That means a lot to me Mick, thank you. Have a good weekend.
Lovely video! I especially appreciate all the beautiful nature shots, including the the ones of flowers. It really elevates the video to include the flowers even when you're talking about water! :)
Thank you so much- and thanks for noticing 😉 Much appreciated
Beautifully filmed, extremely well presented, and well researched, another superb documentary, thanks Rob. Could I humbly suggest as a subject for a future documentary, London's Chinatown.
Thank you so much Jake…. I do indeed hope to cover Chinatown at some point, I’ve already made notes on the original one at Limehouse
Great video! Someday, if I ever make it to London to see the city, I would love to meet you, Rob. 😎
Thank you! And likewise ;-)
@@Robslondon 😎
Great video! It was very informative and also quite relaxing (especially after a long day of work). Thank you very much for making this video
Thanks so much goldhoney; it's a pleasure. Thanks for the kind words and thanks for watching!
Don’t know how I got here, but this was very enjoyable! Hello from Canada 😂
Hi, glad to have you here! 🇨🇦
This is a very well done documentary on the Thames. I hope to visit England one day and visit a few of the locations in your past videos. Cheers from Alaska, USA !
Many thanks indeed! I’d love to visit Alaska, it looks stunning. Hope you make it here 😉
Spot on again Rob. We have made the Thames the focus whenever we've been in the UK. The source nearest Cirencester was to be this year's focus so it's terrific to see your film.❤❤
Thank you so much Marlene... you'll love Cirencester and the surrounding area, it's beautiful. Enjoy your visit.
Looks clean. Such an amazing historic river and now it's even more fascinating for me thanks to how you reminded me that huge rivers have tiny, humble begins somewhere upstream.
I learned about the Thames when I played Tomb Raider 3 as a kid last 1999.
Lovely comment, thank you ☺️
What a pleasant and relaxing video to be with your voice, writing, topic combined with the music and scenery. It kinda pulls you out of the quagmire of modern internet fighting and pointless drama. Thank you kindly & made sure to subscribe
That means an incredible amount to me; thank you much. It's kind comments like yours which keep me going! Thanks again- it's great to have you here :-)
Wonderful video, glad I found you and subscribed. Love history and all this London information. Thank you Rob!
Much appreciated! Thanks; glad to have you here 😉
Running your hands in the clear water at the sauce of the Thames is far safer ,than the lower part in London,where you could pickup something very unpleasant!! Great Video 👍
Thanks Rob... and yes, exactly!
@robertmurray6021 Is that Worcestershire sauce or soy sauce?
I thought that the Thames was clean, nowadays?
@@stephenburnage7687 They did clean it up a few years ago, went to London last week for my birthday and it looked filthy.
My understanding is that the lower Thames looks as dirty as it does is because it is a tidal estuary.
Wonderful informative video some beautiful scenery too😊
Thank you Tomgirl ☺️
This is very interesting.
I looked at the titles of some of your other videos and i will enjoy them very much. Thank you for your information.
Thank you Margaret, hope you enjoy them
From South Hampton, NY......Beautiful country side and loved the historical content of your video.
That's really kind of you to say RoadKing; thank you, and thanks for watching, much appreciated.
You, sir, seem very kind and nice. Thank you for making this really interesting video. Take care.
I really appreciate that, thank you. I have so many lovely comments and good people watching my videos, it's impossible not to be nice! Thanks again and stay well :-)
Beautiful footage. I'm a yank but spent years over there. I miss it dearly and need to get back.
Thanks so much Ben. Hope you make it back here soon 🇺🇸🇬🇧
@@Robslondon I absolutely intend to. You have a beautiful country. Subscribed!
@@BenRush Good to have you here Ben. Stay well my friend.
Thanks for the fun and interesting video.
A pleasure as always; thank you for watching 😊
Thank you so much for this meticulously researched and produced work !! Your commentary and photography are perfect. Now I need to go and re-read The Tide River by Charles Kingsley because it will fit so well👍
Lovely comment, thank you so much 😊
Thanks Rob. Very interesting film on the Thames source.
Whichever it is, you had an awesome day out tracking them down. Great work as always 😎
Thanks Doug; yes it was great fun ;-) A really beautiful area.
thanks for the lovely tour!
It's a pleasure- thanks for watching!
What a delightful journey you took us on. Each sight was lovely. But I'd go for the site that has water all year round.
Thank you Mr Kenny!
As a born Londoner and later long-time resident of Gloucestershire I always hold the Thames in special affection. Both my parents' families settled in London, which as you point out would not be there without the river.
I went in search of the source of the Thames (Trewsbury Mead) not long after retirement with a friend. Unthinkingly we went in July - and there was water to be seen for 2 or 3 miles along the course! We had lunch in the Thames Head Inn and were advised to return in winter - which we did, and the mead was then pretty full! Object achieved!
Many thanks for some wonderul memories.
Correction: NO water to be seen in July!
Wonderful comment Chris, thank you- enjoyed reading that 😉
@@christopherbritton293 It is actually better to correct the original text than it is to add a comment about it afterwards. Your meaning would be so much clearer that way. A writer can't know what the readers' experience is, because the writer already knows what they mean. I don't say this intending to criticise, but just to be helpful. ✌🏼
This video is so relaxing and informative it should be shown in schools cause this is a lovely documentary
That's so kind of you to say tylore, thank you!
I didn't know England has beautiful country side places ❤! Thank you for showing these amazing places.
It’s a pleasure! Thank you for watching ☺️
@@doommonger7784 Well the way it is going,it soon will be.
I visited Trewsbury Mead in January 2008..it had a lot more water at the source than your video showed.i walked a few hundred metres down river from there, so I can say I have walked on the Thames!, Its the true source to me...( and the beer in the Thames Head Inn wasn't bad either!)
Great comment Brett, thanks 😉
Great video . I think Seven spring looks more likely to be the source of the Thames . Beautiful places to visit . Have a nice day
Thank you! Much appreciated; thanks for watching
I was randomly thinking about this question this morning. The algorithm must have heard my thoughts.
It can definitely read your mind!! 🧙♂️
Just down the road from my house. It isn't Trewsbury Mead. You'll be lucky to find any water there without a lot of heavy rain. Seven Springs is actually a small depression in the hillside with seven small springs that feed into a pool before flowing under the road. It's a lot more convincing. Never knew Ullenwood springs were a contender.
Yes, I was lucky when I went to Trewsbury Mead 😉💦
@@Robslondon when you mean lucky... um...
This was a lovely, engaging documentary video. I enjoyed it very much. Thank you.
Much appreciated Sue, thank you 🤩
A bloody fascinating video! Thank you for sharing.
Thank you Paul!
I was born at Hampton Court very close indeed to The Thames so it’s a river close to my heart. I guess it has several contributing sources.
Thanks Mark. Love Hampton Court 😉
I find it interesting that the water for the ornamental river at Hampton Court comes from the River Colne that is a few hundred yards from my house in Watford. It is diverted off of the Colne near Heathrow and then through Feltham. So the water can take two different routes to find its way into the Thames.
Relaxing, informative, great visuals and pacing. Subscribed!
Thank so much! Good to have you here!
Very informative video Rob..I would not presume to comment on the source as you have many expert opinions in the comments thread.
Suffice to say thanks for your time and physical effort in bringing this video to us.
As always, your clear analysis and attention to detail are much appreciated.
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Lovely comment as always Christine! Thank you :-) Hope you're keeping well.
@@Robslondon
Yes thanks Rob 😄
Kind of you to say 👋
Cheers again Rob, another fantastic video. I have learnt much. Keep up the great work 👍
Much appreciated Karl, thank you- and I will do 😉
Fascinating Rob. Many thanks for producing this story. Best regards mervyn
Much appreciated Mervyn, thank you!
What an interesting lovely documentary there’s so much to learn study and see about London Town thank you 😊
Thank you so much ☺️
@ your welcome I really enjoy your documentaries! Thank you 😊
Lovely photography…nicely presented. (new subscriber, Virginia)
Thanks so much John! And it's good to have you here; cheers ;-)
I’m in Sydney, Australia. Loved the video as I have tried to trace the source of the Thames River on Google Maps but could not work it out. I was very surprised at the length of the river. My interest began with Inspector Morse and the various locations mentioned in the books and the TV series, which I enjoyed so much.
I would love to see floating flowers in different colours released at the various potential sources to see which ones end up at the confluence that becomes the identifiable Thames.
Even so, the fact that the various springs pop up from unidentified pools underground may mean the real source is yet to be found.
Wonderful, wonderful comment Coralie, thank you! Enjoyed reading that. Hope things are good Down Under ;-)
Another wonderfully informative video Rob.
One on the history of the Peckham Spring next?
Ha ha! Love it. ;-)
Hella interesting video! Really enjoyed the relaxing follow along the Thames to Trewsbury too ☺️
Thank you! I really appreciate the kind words 🙂 Stay well.