For kelce its situation too, maybe he begins to faze out this year but I believe with the lack of receiving consistency he is gonna continue to get force fed
@@kevinblue1976 He’s already got his podcast with his bro. I could see him getting a broadcasting deal and leaving the NFL. Since TEs don’t get paid well.
Sure Lockett can get older and maybe lose a step...but his stats were better than Metcalfe last season...and Metcalfe was predicted to go off! Just cuz a player isn't flashy doesn't mean they won't make plays. Geno Smith showed great chemistry with Lockett last year with many different level passes....in a system that theve both known quite well. Smith-Nigba could explode...but that team runs a lot of 2-3 TE formations and they have 2 stud RBs. If Metcalfe doesn't get his reps he'll be a baby. Lockett is the glue of that offense...and for Geno to continue from last year...Tyler should produce. He's a steal pick imo
I think the way Lockett plays makes him a very durable player, because he doesn’t take hits. I think he will have a strong start, possibly a trade candidate when JSN gets going.
Hi Mason love your content! Quick question about the Best ball tournaments. How do you know that a group of 11 or 12 friends aren’t going into the same draft and colluding to make it so that one person drafts and absolute monster team. Doyou know if Underdog take steps to prevent that?
First time in 4 years I haven’t taken Lockett in the late rounds as my constant flex and going with JSN now we’ll see after how many weeks he can earn that flex spot
In the 4 seasons DK has been alongside Lockett in SEA they have both been great 👍 but Lockett has been just slightly better… From 2019 through 2022 they have both started the exact number of games. Tyler Lockett has… -less targets (394 to 408) -more catches (289 to 246) -more yards (3709 to 3576) -less touchdowns (28 to 31) every year people underrate Lockett and every year he is just as good or outperforms DK. While I do expect a very small step back from the elder statesman, I think he is still the clear WR2 for SEA in 2023 health permitting. JSN is a beast and will eventually take that role but it may not be in year 1… 🤷♂️ I’m expecting the rookie to step into at least the targets vacated by Goodwin and Treadwell which only equaled 52 targets last season but JSN will be a tad more involved than those two were I suspect 😅
Hey Mason, I’m picking at 2 in my 12 team full PPR redraft league. Do you like the combo of CMC and Higgins or Chase and Hall more? I’m leaning CMC but I heard you say you had Chase at 2
Wanted to hear your thoughts on adam thielen. I think hes a tremendous value where hes going in underdog and should produce enough to be a mid flex play in casual leagues
@matthewdennis1739 someone had to get the ball thrown to them. They didn't pay him all that money to not be the #1. 800-900 yards with 6 tds will make him a tremendous value if he's going as the WR 64
@@CZA23. Money doesn't mean anything if he doesn't produce on the field. I'm not confident he'll be the #1 this season and if old Adam Thielen is this team's #1 that means this passing attack is going to be abysmal. Rookie QB, poor receiving talent, low passing volume. It's the formula for poor fantasy production and I don't see a world where he gets anywhere close to 6 TDs, or 900 yards for that matter. You're projecting him for essentially the same stats DJ Moore had last year. 1. There's no world where Thielen is anywhere near Moore at this point in his career. 2. Moore was basically unstable last year, what even is the point if the best he can do shouldn't even leave the bench?
@matthewdennis1739 I was talking more for best ball leagues. If you can get someone who brings in 5 catches for 60 yards and a touchdown every other week, that will hold value where he's going. By no means am I saying he's a league winner but I see Young relying on him more than Chark or the other rookie. 800 yards isn't crazy that's a little more than 50 yards a game with a touchdown every 3 games
Damn man. I'm finding myself not agreeing with some of this but I guess that's why it's good to hear a different opinion... I'm still going to have a hard time letting Keenan Allen pass at cost
Best player available, then 2nd best player available. Can't know who the options are until you draft but I'm guessing guys like Kupp, Hill, Kelce, Bijan could drop there are be great values. Maybe Taylor too, though I'm not sold on him as much as the others.
I'd have to disagree with the Kennan Allen take because Herbert wasn't fully healthy last year and the chargers didn't have a true deep threat making Keenan's depth per target go up.
Keenan Allen’s stats are skewed due to injury. Take a look at his averages excluding those 2 games he was injured in and played less than a half… remarkable numbers
@@Flockfantasy🗣️ 6:05 high end WR3??? 😂 Lockett was the overall WR13 in 2022. WR14 in 2021. WR9 in 2020. WR12 in 2019. WR15 in 2018. Him declining by 1.5 points per game this season would put him at 10.7 PPG in half ppr… which is EXACTLY what DK Metcalf averaged last year, finishing as the WR18 😂 He’s the definition of a low end WR1 or rock solid WR2 8+ TD in 5 straight seasons 1000+ yards in 4 straight A slight decline is probable, but he’s a steal at his ADP without question. CRIMINALLY UNDERRATED.
If Travis Kelce has less air yards than reviving that means that he’s YAC-ing. That means he’s breaking tackles, avoiding them etc. I feel like that’s a sign that he’s still an elite athlete at his age
I'm in a 2 keeper league super flex and I'm picking 3rd and I'm keeping Patrick mahomes in the 4th round and devonta smith in the 10th , I want to take a shot on kelce but I know I'll be reaching
@@Djfjfjrhhrjrhrhfj Well, not everything. LOL I'm on the other side of 45 and out of shape; there's a zero chance of me being on an NFL roster for this upcoming season. 😂 And Kelce hitting 100 TD's is close enough to 0 that statisticians would put it at 0, aka "statistically impossible."
@flockfantasy So I bought the subscription for the mother flocker and I tried to link it to my discord. As soon as I do that it takes me to another screen and say my account is inactive. I submitted my team but that tab as lock on it
Comparing what other players did at *insert random age here* has barely any relevance to how current players are going to do. They are different players. Putting way too much emphasis on being 7 months older from last season.
Looking at the receivers stats going from 33-34 isn’t even a great indicator because they didn’t have the dieting and recovery that these athletes have now. There’s literally no precedent
Exactly what I always say. Decline is usually a slow process unless its injury based. These "experts" act like a 7 month offseason makes a player go from good to washed.
@@Djfjfjrhhrjrhrhfj No one is saying these old players are going to be washed though, they're saying they might not pay off at their ADP. If you are taking Travis Kelce in the first round you most likely need him to score around 18.5 PPR ppg. If he scores 16.5 or 17 PPR ppg there's a good chance that there were better options where you took him in the draft.
@@matthewdennis1739 I have Kelce as my #19 overall player. Was more so talking about Henry, Aaron Jones, Keenan Allen, lockett, etc. he’s down on these players for no reason. If you watch the video he was actually high on Kelce
@@Flockfantasy Mason just saw an article saying Atlanta has offered a conditional 2nd round pick to 49ers for Trey Lance. I’m a falcons fan and I like Ridder but if Ridder is the guy indeed he should welcome that challenge. But man that would be sick for you if he ended up starting for my falcons!
@matthewdennis1739 true but he is a 1st round pick which is more than the chiefs have invested. Toney was a 1st round pick but he needs to stay healthy
@@Flockfantasy I agree 2 of the $ leagues I play TE get 1.5 points per 10 yards instead of 1 like Wr and Rb so I believe he will be a top 3 pick maybe even number 1 overall still.
I mean, the title says you shouldn’t draft them. But the video explains to be a little apprehensive about drafting them, expecting small steps back on said players. In which case, sure I guess; but some of these guy it’s pretty marginal.
Hopkins wasn't the WR10 last year. He was the WR47 and he only had 6 productive weeks (maybe you're looking at a points per game metric). The dude is old and can't stay healthy and you need to incorporate that into your analysis.
U recommend receivers like drake london and Garett wilson which have proved very little. But you put down receivers like lockett and Keenan allen that have proved themselves over and over again. The same way u claim Jonathan Taylor is a upcoming phenom but say Derrick Henry is a gamble?😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Mason you should use sleeper adp in your videos as well as espn it would be very helpful. Thanks you the man
Just use it as a baseline from UD to redraft
For kelce its situation too, maybe he begins to faze out this year but I believe with the lack of receiving consistency he is gonna continue to get force fed
Mason discovering Keenan McCardell haha
Shout out. He picked up the ageless wonder tag at the end of his career.
I like how you mention both underdog fantasy football and casual espn fantasy football
Mi-car-dell Mason. Not Keenan McCortle 😂 love your content man!
Glad I'm not the only one that caught that!
Kelce would have to take 5 steps back to not be the tight end 1
don’t forget he was the tight end 2 in 2021 donkey head
Or retire.
Yup believe I said he would take a tiny step back and still be the TE 1
He’s got at least 2 more years in the tank he isn’t retiring during Mahomes prime unless he has a serious injury
@@kevinblue1976 He’s already got his podcast with his bro. I could see him getting a broadcasting deal and leaving the NFL. Since TEs don’t get paid well.
Lockette over performed his ADp every year. It’s difficult to count him out.
Sure Lockett can get older and maybe lose a step...but his stats were better than Metcalfe last season...and Metcalfe was predicted to go off! Just cuz a player isn't flashy doesn't mean they won't make plays. Geno Smith showed great chemistry with Lockett last year with many different level passes....in a system that theve both known quite well. Smith-Nigba could explode...but that team runs a lot of 2-3 TE formations and they have 2 stud RBs. If Metcalfe doesn't get his reps he'll be a baby. Lockett is the glue of that offense...and for Geno to continue from last year...Tyler should produce. He's a steal pick imo
I think the way Lockett plays makes him a very durable player, because he doesn’t take hits. I think he will have a strong start, possibly a trade candidate when JSN gets going.
Or don’t and have three stud WRs like Cincy 🤔 lockett should retire a Seahawk
I can’t wait to draft 3RBs at the start of every draft now!
Hahaha
Can I play in your league too? :P
No you have to take Michael Thomas in the first round
if they zig you zag
Not worried about Evans age but I am worried about his QB play
For me depends on his price, Underdog he's a great pick. Casual redraft, not sure
Underdog Evans is a steal I own 25 percent of him through 110 regular leagues
@@annetteavery4930110? How you gonna manage that
Hi Mason love your content! Quick question about the Best ball tournaments. How do you know that a group of 11 or 12 friends aren’t going into the same draft and colluding to make it so that one person drafts and absolute monster team. Doyou know if Underdog take steps to prevent that?
First time in 4 years I haven’t taken Lockett in the late rounds as my constant flex and going with JSN now we’ll see after how many weeks he can earn that flex spot
In the 4 seasons DK has been alongside Lockett in SEA they have both been great 👍 but Lockett has been just slightly better…
From 2019 through 2022 they have both started the exact number of games. Tyler Lockett has…
-less targets (394 to 408)
-more catches (289 to 246)
-more yards (3709 to 3576)
-less touchdowns (28 to 31)
every year people underrate Lockett and every year he is just as good or outperforms DK.
While I do expect a very small step back from the elder statesman, I think he is still the clear WR2 for SEA in 2023 health permitting.
JSN is a beast and will eventually take that role but it may not be in year 1…
🤷♂️
I’m expecting the rookie to step into at least the targets vacated by Goodwin and Treadwell which only equaled 52 targets last season but JSN will be a tad more involved than those two were I suspect 😅
Hey Mason, I’m picking at 2 in my 12 team full PPR redraft league. Do you like the combo of CMC and Higgins or Chase and Hall more? I’m leaning CMC but I heard you say you had Chase at 2
I’m scared of Hall in the second.
I’d try for CMC and Higgins.
Wanted to hear your thoughts on adam thielen. I think hes a tremendous value where hes going in underdog and should produce enough to be a mid flex play in casual leagues
I think he's dust.
@matthewdennis1739 someone had to get the ball thrown to them. They didn't pay him all that money to not be the #1. 800-900 yards with 6 tds will make him a tremendous value if he's going as the WR 64
@@CZA23. Money doesn't mean anything if he doesn't produce on the field. I'm not confident he'll be the #1 this season and if old Adam Thielen is this team's #1 that means this passing attack is going to be abysmal. Rookie QB, poor receiving talent, low passing volume. It's the formula for poor fantasy production and I don't see a world where he gets anywhere close to 6 TDs, or 900 yards for that matter.
You're projecting him for essentially the same stats DJ Moore had last year. 1. There's no world where Thielen is anywhere near Moore at this point in his career. 2. Moore was basically unstable last year, what even is the point if the best he can do shouldn't even leave the bench?
@matthewdennis1739 I was talking more for best ball leagues. If you can get someone who brings in 5 catches for 60 yards and a touchdown every other week, that will hold value where he's going. By no means am I saying he's a league winner but I see Young relying on him more than Chark or the other rookie. 800 yards isn't crazy that's a little more than 50 yards a game with a touchdown every 3 games
Damn man. I'm finding myself not agreeing with some of this but I guess that's why it's good to hear a different opinion... I'm still going to have a hard time letting Keenan Allen pass at cost
When drafting at the 1.10 in a 10 team full PPR redraft (ESPN) league, who do you think the top 2 options should be for my 1st and 2nd round pick?
Best player available, then 2nd best player available.
Can't know who the options are until you draft but I'm guessing guys like Kupp, Hill, Kelce, Bijan could drop there are be great values. Maybe Taylor too, though I'm not sold on him as much as the others.
Derrick Henry and Nick Chubb. Buy the Henry fear and Chubb should be a moster as well.
It was helpful. Thank you sir
Appreciate the great content as always Mason!
I have kelce week 1:
12 catches 125 yards
2 tds
Wow London in the 70’s that’s amazing
I have Allen, Lockett, Cooks on my bench in Dynasty
Always on that grind
I'd have to disagree with the Kennan Allen take because Herbert wasn't fully healthy last year and the chargers didn't have a true deep threat making Keenan's depth per target go up.
^Not to mention being priced at WR 19 when he's been a consistent top 12 option for years, I would say is pretty significant discount.
MW is the deep threat in his offense
Keenan Allen’s stats are skewed due to injury. Take a look at his averages excluding those 2 games he was injured in and played less than a half… remarkable numbers
lockett has been a top 15 wr the last 4 years in full ppr so i trust him as a wr2 or wr3
I'd just rather have Evans / Pittman
@@Flockfantasy🗣️ 6:05 high end WR3??? 😂
Lockett was the overall WR13 in 2022.
WR14 in 2021.
WR9 in 2020.
WR12 in 2019.
WR15 in 2018.
Him declining by 1.5 points per game this season would put him at 10.7 PPG in half ppr… which is EXACTLY what DK Metcalf averaged last year, finishing as the WR18 😂
He’s the definition of a low end WR1 or rock solid WR2
8+ TD in 5 straight seasons
1000+ yards in 4 straight
A slight decline is probable, but he’s a steal at his ADP without question.
CRIMINALLY UNDERRATED.
If I signed up on underdog using code word FLOCK but didn’t use the link am I still able to get your rankings?
Yup! Check your email. Should have one from UD
I was getting report cards on yahoo for my mock drafts. Not anymore. It’s driving me crazy
Lol i get into a draft with you finally and draft keenan allen and you gotta post this the very next day lol 😂😂
If Travis Kelce has less air yards than reviving that means that he’s YAC-ing. That means he’s breaking tackles, avoiding them etc. I feel like that’s a sign that he’s still an elite athlete at his age
I'm in a 2 keeper league super flex and I'm picking 3rd and I'm keeping Patrick mahomes in the 4th round and devonta smith in the 10th , I want to take a shot on kelce but I know I'll be reaching
Mahomes in the 4th in a superflex? Holy casual
Hollup did that graphic have Justin tucker going at pick 77 🤦♂️
Agreed on Lockett. There's a non-zero chance that JSN simply takes his workload before the end of this season.
This is the strangest wording I’ve ever seen
@@ActiveTee Really? Mason uses "non-zero chance" with a fair degree of frequency. Or are you referring to something else?
Everything is a non zero chance basically. Just an odd thing to say. There is a non zero chance Kelce has 100 touchdowns this year as well.
@@Djfjfjrhhrjrhrhfj Well, not everything. LOL I'm on the other side of 45 and out of shape; there's a zero chance of me being on an NFL roster for this upcoming season. 😂
And Kelce hitting 100 TD's is close enough to 0 that statisticians would put it at 0, aka "statistically impossible."
Using NFL Fantasy app ADP would be nice
@flockfantasy So I bought the subscription for the mother flocker and I tried to link it to my discord. As soon as I do that it takes me to another screen and say my account is inactive. I submitted my team but that tab as lock on it
Comparing what other players did at *insert random age here* has barely any relevance to how current players are going to do. They are different players. Putting way too much emphasis on being 7 months older from last season.
Juju, Nico or Zay Jones on UD?
Nico
Can you do top 20 running backs?
Yup!
are we going to get flock hats back?
Will put them on flockfantasy.com
Looking at the receivers stats going from 33-34 isn’t even a great indicator because they didn’t have the dieting and recovery that these athletes have now. There’s literally no precedent
Last on the field, kelce was unstoppable
That won’t change over 1 off season
He's not going to collapse over one offseason, I could see him not meeting people's expectations though.
Exactly what I always say. Decline is usually a slow process unless its injury based. These "experts" act like a 7 month offseason makes a player go from good to washed.
@@Djfjfjrhhrjrhrhfj No one is saying these old players are going to be washed though, they're saying they might not pay off at their ADP.
If you are taking Travis Kelce in the first round you most likely need him to score around 18.5 PPR ppg. If he scores 16.5 or 17 PPR ppg there's a good chance that there were better options where you took him in the draft.
@@matthewdennis1739 I have Kelce as my #19 overall player. Was more so talking about Henry, Aaron Jones, Keenan Allen, lockett, etc. he’s down on these players for no reason. If you watch the video he was actually high on Kelce
So the two hall of fame generational players were fine (Owens & Harrison) all the others got worse. Kelce is a hall of fame, generational player.
Was this the video you recorded before that epic nap, Mason?
Haha yes
@@Flockfantasy Mason just saw an article saying Atlanta has offered a conditional 2nd round pick to 49ers for Trey Lance. I’m a falcons fan and I like Ridder but if Ridder is the guy indeed he should welcome that challenge. But man that would be sick for you if he ended up starting for my falcons!
keenan 100%%%%%%
I don’t understand why everybody is still in on Kelce but out on Keenan Allen when they kinda do the same thing and Keenan Allen was great last year
There's no other established targets in KC unlike the chargers who have eckler Williams and now Johnston
@@CZA23. Can we really count Johnston as an established target?
@matthewdennis1739 true but he is a 1st round pick which is more than the chiefs have invested. Toney was a 1st round pick but he needs to stay healthy
I feel Kelce has another great year unless he gets hurt. If he felt his game was declining, I believe he would retire.
he could decline and still be the number1 TE its hard to retire when u have mahommes and ur winning rings
I expect a 10ish % decline
@@Flockfantasy I agree 2 of the $ leagues I play TE get 1.5 points per 10 yards instead of 1 like Wr and Rb so I believe he will be a top 3 pick maybe even number 1 overall still.
@@Flockfantasy I'm guessing 17 PPR points per game.
K.Allen drives me crazy...draft him he gets hurt...pass on him..he stays healthy !!!
Dude why did he say Keenan Mcardell’s name like that.
I draft Mike Evans aka Mr.1K every year 😅
I mean, the title says you shouldn’t draft them. But the video explains to be a little apprehensive about drafting them, expecting small steps back on said players. In which case, sure I guess; but some of these guy it’s pretty marginal.
I never base my strategy on the average persons draft lol
Mason help me win a chip again this year!! Haha!!! Let’s Go!!!
Appreciate you!
Don’t believe in the cowboys lol Dak will get hurt before game 4 is over and it’ll just be the Cooper Rush show again.
Hopkins wasn't the WR10 last year. He was the WR47 and he only had 6 productive weeks (maybe you're looking at a points per game metric). The dude is old and can't stay healthy and you need to incorporate that into your analysis.
Are there actually any other consistent prospects at the TE position after Kelce? I feel like Andrews is shaky and Kittle is old
Yeah but Andrews is going in the fourth round of drafts and that’s a steal
@@webmaster-brawlstars5422 Is it? I am finding it really hard to draft him
Nobody like Kelce
What league is Andrew’s drafted in the 4th round?
I’d rather be an idiot with 150k than a genius in the comment section
U recommend receivers like drake london and Garett wilson which have proved very little. But you put down receivers like lockett and Keenan allen that have proved themselves over and over again. The same way u claim Jonathan Taylor is a upcoming phenom but say Derrick Henry is a gamble?😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Allen is the only one I like among them, but even him I think I may only have marginal exposure to.
Kelce still doesn't have any real competition.
lockett/geno > evans/baker mayfield.. all day
Draft michael thomas 1.01 conner manning will bring the ain's back
Chris Godwin league winner he’s gonna be Bakers security blanket and if the Mike Evans collapse happens then Godwin is undisputed WR1
Please stop talking about Kelce
He is a secret
First like, let’s go 👏🏻
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Hey bro. Solid video. Fyi. Tried to follow u on Twitter just now but your link takes u to a non existent account.
Thank you for letting me know!